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Yep. Why don't you start by sharing some of your wealth with an African nation?

Oh, yeah, forgot, you only want to share other people's wealth. I forgot how looney left socialists think.

I do. And if you and the GP live in the US (or many other countries), so do you. Here's what countries the US gives foreign aid to. I'm not saying the current foreign aid structure is good, but the GP is definitely sharing some their wealth with African nations.

That's still "other people's money". I want to see his bank account redistributed to the less fortunate - then I'll be impressed. The US spends $35B on foreign aid according to that article. That's $100/person/year. Nothing. I'm sure he could cough up a few grand right now and after selling some possessions probably more than that.

See, it's really easy to give away other people's money, especially when they're "rich". If you live in the US right now, you are almost certainly "rich" compared to most of the world. If you make $30,000/year you're already better off than the average person in the lowest 50 countries:

https://www.worlddata.info/ave...

Nigeria is $2450/year. That's less than 1/5th the US minimum wage.

This is the problem with wanting to take from "the rich" and give to "the poor". The people saying that are always "rich" to someone else. They want the cut off line to be somewhere above their personal income.

Yep. Why don't you start by sharing some of your wealth with an African nation?

Oh, yeah, forgot, you only want to share other people's wealth. I forgot how looney left socialists think.

I do. And if you and the GP live in the US (or many other countries), so do you. Here's what countries the US gives foreign aid to. I'm not saying the current foreign aid structure is good, but the GP is definitely sharing some their wealth with African nations.

Yes. So far every single one was shown fake.

Really? Like this one, perhaps?

So we have videos of Israel soldiers beating people at checkpoints: http://palsolidarity.org/2007/... They have not been proven false. We have videos of Israel soldiers shooting immobilized people: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/... They have not been proven false. We have videos of Israel soldiers shooting girls: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... The have not been proven false.

I'm sorry, but your denial is just as bad as Holocaust denial.

Oh, and if we're talking about how these obviously sub-human Arabic people speak their true feelings only in Arabic (that obviously nobody civilized can understand), then you should look at Russian-language Jewish émigrée forums. Phrases like "painted monkeys" or "just shoot them all" and "perhaps genocide is not such a bad idea" are quite common.

I asked the Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer about the killings in the Goldstone report, and he told me that the Palestinians were lying and they never happened. He used the term "Pallywood." That's an authoritative answer, and I didn't think the Israeli government would allow their U.S. ambassador to go around saying things that were not true.

I'm going to follow up that 2010 statement by the IDF Military Advocate General.

But it seems as if the charges were dismissed.

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/05/...
Israel closes investigation of those responsible for al Samouni family massacre, no legal action taken
Israel/Palestine
Adam Horowitz on May 1, 2012
From Haaretz:
Israel’s military prosecution announced Tuesday that no legal steps will be taken against those responsible for the killing of 21 members of the Samouni family during the 2009 Operation Cast Lead in Gaza.

Reminds me of a certain scene from World War Z.

The practice of Israeli border-guards of demanding access to e-mail of some people wishing to cross into the country is rather disliked by /. and others.

But the worst, that a non-cooperation would result in there would be an interrogation and a flight back to whence you came from. To actually be arrested and prosecuted for a crime over such a refusal is new... Should we begin divesting from Canada's corporations?

Considering that Israel spies on the United States more than any other ally, I'm surprised they are not on the list.

How is launching a missile across the border in any way comparable to recognizing a non-existent sovereignty?

They are comparable due to the principle of causality. One is the result of the other. Or are you saying that it's a chicken-and-egg problem, and that we should expect Hamas to step up and break the cycle because Israel is unable/unwilling?

One is attempted murder. The other is a legal dispute.

Manslaughter at best. But it is interesting how a "legal dispute" can kill orders of magnitude more people than your "attempted murder", isn't it?

Show me attempted murder in the checkpoints.

I suppose being crushed to death in an Israeli checkpoint while on your way to work doesn't count? Perhaps when they gunned down a Jordanian judge? Surely he was some radical militant trying to grab a gun from a poor IDF soldier. Palestinians are murdered at these checkpoints every day. There's no need for the "attempted" modifier.

Kidnapping, ransom, and murder of innocent Israeli citizens are all cheered in the Gaza strip. Checkpoints and blockades are a rational response.

Sure, and war crimes against Palestinians are cheered in Israel. Firing rockets is a rational response.

And, of course, Israel provides the Gazans with free power as well.

I suppose this is as good a time as any to summon Godwin. I hear Hitler provided the Jews with free clothing and shelter during WW2.

Imagine asking Gazans to return the favor in any way!

What we're witnessing is just that. Gazans trying to return the favor.

How the hell did this piece of unsubstantiated propagandic crap make it into the Slashdot feed?

Straight from a "reliable" Israeli source, no less.

How about this one?

Israeli military announce they will bomb al-Shifa hospital in Gaza

The difference between those two stories? The second one is probably true, and it shows the true face of this conflict.

Also, please remember who set up Hamas in the first place. (Hint: It wasn't Palestine.)

As of July 2014 the attacks have killed 28 people.

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/...

Zionism == Fascist Genocide
"Children killed in their sleep by Israel"

Israeli military fire hit a United Nations-run school in Gaza today, killing at least 20 people and injuring an estimated 90 people. The school under attack, called the Abu Hussein girls’ elementary school, is located in the densely-populated Jabaliya refugee camp.

The United Nations Relief Works and Agency (UNRWA), the group that serves Palestinian refugees, issued a stern statement placing the blame for the attack on the Israeli army.

“Last night, children were killed as they slept next to their parents on the floor of a classroom in a UN designated shelter in Gaza. Children killed in their sleep; this is an affront to all of us, a source of universal shame. Today the world stands disgraced,” said UNRWA Secretary General Pierre Krähenbühl. “We have visited the site and gathered evidence. We have analysed fragments, examined craters and other damage. Our initial assessment is that it was Israeli artillery that hit our school, in which 3,300 people had sought refuge.”

Krähenbühl added that the Israeli attack violated international law, and that UNRWA had informed Israel of the location of the school 17 times. The Palestinians who were sheltering there had been told by the Israeli military to flee their Gaza neighborhoods, only to be hit by Israeli shells at the place they thought would be safe. An estimated 240,000 displaced Palestinians are being sheltered in UNRWA facilities.

Israeli army spokespeople claim that Palestinian fighters fired from near the school–a claim they have frequently made when confronted by their attacks on civilians.

It was the second time in two weeks that an attack on a UN school caused deaths. Israel denies it hit the UN school in Beit Hanoun it bombarded last week, though Gaza-based journalists like The Daily Beast’s Jesse Rosenfeld have cast doubt on those claims, writing that the evidence appears to indicate Israeli fire hitting the area. The attack killed 16 people. UNRWA spokesman Chris Gunness said last week that three other UNRWA installations had been fired on by Israel, injuring five Palestinians in one incident.

UNRWA has also had to contend with Palestinian rockets being stored in schools that were abandoned. But there is no evidence that the schools hit by Israeli fire have rockets in them.

The attack on the UNRWA school in Jabaliya came after another night of heavy Israeli bombardment. The Gaza Ministry of Health said that over 70 Palestinians were killed since midnight. That brings the death toll to well over 1,200 Palestinians, the vast majority of them civilians.

Israel declared what it called a “humanitarian window” for four hours today–but also said it would continue to operate militarily in areas where soldiers were already firing. Hamas called it a declaration meant for the media and did not halt its fire. Israeli shells killed at least five Palestinians during the “humanitarian window, Ma’an News Agency reported. And another Israeli attack on a market in the Gaza neighborhood of Shuja’iyeh killed at least 15 people.

Best way to evaluate that claim is to look at the facts.

I look forward to you gathering relevant ones. So far you seem to be providing pointers to Hamas war crimes. You can't use protected structures or civilians as shields.

Terrorists fire rockets from Gaza hospital

(From the article: "The photos claim to show rocket launchers inside the grounds of a mosque and a playground as well as a rocket launcher that appears to be adjacent to al-Wafa hospital.")

Israel says Hamas uses Wafa hospital compound to attack soldiers, fire anti-tank missiles; ground, air forces attack Gaza City where they claim 'an entire Hamas brigade is active'; 10 terrorists killed.

To repeat:

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/...
Israeli military destroyed el-Wafa hospital even though it knew there were no weapons inside
Allison Deger on July 19, 2014

“We’ve seen a lot of launches of rockets that came from exactly near the hospital, 100 meters near,” said a spokesperson for the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF), continuing, “Obviously the target was not the hospital.”

[The director of the hospital said] “My authority, my control is within my premises, it is my hospital. I cannot control what people do 100 meters from me.”

IDF campaign shows rockets in schools and hospitals

On Monday afternoon the IDF publishes visuals displaying rocket launchers placed at a number of civilian sites, like playgrounds, schools, and hospital .... Last week, prior to the ground incursion, Israel was criticized for an aerial bombardment of a rocket launcher in Gaza City's Saja'iyya neighborhood. The IDF said then that the launcher was in an empty structure adjacent to el-Wafa Rehabilitation Hospital. Hours before the strike the hospital received an automated phone message from the IDF saying its staff had to evacuate all patients as they could get hurt in the strike ...."The strike was on an unpopulated structure that used to serve as the hospital's geriatric ward," he said.

The lawyers tell me that under the Geneva Conventions, collateral damage including the killing of innocent civilians is acceptable if it is necessary to achieve a military objective.

Why don't you explain the military necessity of blowing up a hospital when the IDF itself admits that the only military objective was 100 meters away.

And lets not overlook the difference: Hamas deliberately targets civilians, the Israelis don't.

Best way to evaluate that claim is to look at the facts.

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/...
Israeli military destroyed el-Wafa hospital even though it knew there were no weapons inside
Allison Deger on July 19, 2014
“We’ve seen a lot of launches of rockets that came from exactly near the hospital, 100 meters near,” said a spokesperson for the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF), continuing, “Obviously the target was not the hospital.”
“My authority, my control is within my premises, it is my hospital. I cannot control what people do 100 meters from me.”

http://gaza.scoop.ps/2014/07/a...
Another Israeli attack on a hospital, another Israeli war crime
July 21, 2014
by Julie Webb-Pullman
Israeli tanks attacked Al Aqsa hospital in Deir Al Balah at 2:50 pm this afternoon, killing five patients and doctors, and injuring more than 70.
The third and fourth floors, housing the emergency department, orthopaedic department, surgical department, and the Intensive Care Unit (ICU) were destroyed. Operating theatres had to cease work because of the lack of oxygen.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07...
Middle East
Questions About Tactics and Targets as Civilian Toll Climbs in Israeli Strikes
By ANNE BARNARD
JULY 21, 2014
(Israeli attacks in Gaza have destroyed entire apartment buildings and killed entire families because 1 militant was visiting.)
When the strike leveled a four-story house in the southern Gaza Strip the night before, it also killed 25 members of four family households — including 19 children — gathered to break the daily Ramadan fast together. Relatives said it also killed a guest of the family, identified by an Israeli human rights group as a member of the Hamas military wing, ostensibly Israel’s target.
The attack was the latest in a series of Israeli strikes that have killed families in their homes, during an offensive that Israel says is meant to stop militant rocket fire that targets its civilians and destroy Hamas’s tunnel network.
(UN says 75% of Palestinian deaths are civilians.)
On July 13, 18 family members were killed in an airstrike on their home, and Tayseer al-Batsh, the Hamas police chief in Gaza, was severely wounded. Many other civilians have been killed in strikes on known Hamas offices or apartments that happened to be in their apartment buildings, and in strikes on homes with no obvious connection, Palestinian officials and residents say.
On Monday night, a strike hit an eight-story apartment building in downtown Gaza City — an area where Israeli officials had urged Gazans to take shelter. (At least 13 killed.)
All the dead were from the Abu Jameh family, according to relatives, except for a guest, whom the Israeli rights group, B’Tselem, identified as Ahmad Suliman Sahmoud, a member of Hamas’s military wing, who was visiting a member of the family.

"Standing with Israel" will soon be understood to be no different than "riding with the KKK"

Can you explain why an Arab boy will get murdered if he walks down the street, holding hands with a Jewish girl?

Can you explain why dissident/tolerant Israelis are afraid to post facebook profiles, because black-shirted gangs will hunt down their street address and beat them into a pulp?

Can you explain why African refugees live in fear for their lives?

Why do Israeli snipers kill already wounded civilians and the RESCUE FIRST RESPONDERS?

Tweet (JLLLOW):
 

"The #IDF deploys snipers against first responders in Gaza: http://palsolidarity.org/2014/07/human-rights-defenders-under-live-fire-one-dead/ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBakqLUBWP0 This is a war crime."

Equal civil rights? Israel has NO WRITTEN CONSTITUTION.

Your "democracy" claim is Israeli whitewashing, a baldfaced lie that embraces rhetoric of inclusion, to mask discrimination, prejudice and exploitation. Palestinians make up about 20 percent of Israel's population, while less than 7 percent of the budget is allocated to Palestinian citizens. The 1.5 million Arab citizens of Israel are de facto second-class citizens while four million more are not citizens at all. A Jew from any country can move to Israel - and is granted near immediate citizenship upon entry - but a Palestinian refugee, with a valid claim to property in Israel, cannot even visit. The laws for "right of return" and the "Jewish National Fund", which enshrines formal policy and subsidy for land ownership, are inherently anti-democratic.

In fact, there was another government and nation that behaved this way, socially, politically and militarily - but the world put a stop to that in 1945.

As far as I can tell, the test where specifically using people, who knew they were inflicting harm onto someone else - to the point of making it look like the learner had suffered a heart attack, and they knew why.

They knew they were in a Pych experiment. They did not know, though (because it was not the case) that their chosen career was to enforce the law fairly and equally. There is a bit of a difference.

And then there's THIS. And THIS.

In the latter case, the authors argue that the people involved are, in fact, making a moral judgment about what they are doing and consciously deciding to do it anyway. Which means they ARE acting on their own, though they might refuse to take responsibility for it later. Claiming "I was just taking orders," for example.

Mandela paved the way for future greats like Julius Malema (may Allah exalt him beyond the status of a syphilitic camel someday) and the advancement of SA into the paradise it was always meant to be. Modern tribalism brings the community of South Africa together - in celebration of casting off the shadow of apartheid, and in non-consensual sexual activity all across the nation.
 
  Proof is abundant that black leaders can turn a formerly thriving but unfair country into a far more equitable ghetto.

Would you like a Palantir with your Siri, or just plain Narus and Amdocs?

Yes, a significant (though much lower) aid goes to Egypt. This could mean that the goal is the peace and not to please AIPAC...

Some people argue however that this aid is also mainly meant to help Israel, by bribing Egypt leaders to keep them under Israeli command, via the US.

About 35% of billionaires in the US are Jewish, although Jews are only 2% of the population.

http://racehist.blogspot.com/2010/09/2010-forbes-400-by-ethnic-origins.html http://isteve.blogspot.com/2012/07/forbes-400-by-ethnicity.html

Globally speaking, about 11% of all billionaires are Jewish, almost all of them living in the US or Israel.

"Of the world's 1,426 billionaires ranked by "Forbes", 165 are Jews, who have an aggregate fortune of $812 billion, substantially more than last year. "

http://www.jpost.com/Business/Business-Features/Forbes-ranking-The-worlds-richest-Jews-310104

http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000837031

http://mondoweiss.net/2013/04/forbes-jewish-billionaires.html

Both chairmen of the Federal Reserve since 1987 have been Jewish (Greenspan and Bernanke) and both the people Obama is considering to replace Bernanke are Jewish (Summers and Yellen). So we will likely go 30+ years with only Jewish Federal Reserve chairs.

The article you cite says his disclosures did not lead to any deaths of any military sources. Many believe Manning's leaks precipitated the Arab Spring which could have a death toll over 30,000. And it certainly crippled foreign relations (with the revelations in the e-mails) and may have made the US military and diplomatic processes somewhat less effective in areas where lives were and are at stake.

Also, whistle-blower laws are not automatic, (and I don't know if they should be). The fallout of the Snowden and Manning handling of secrets emphasizes my point. You have to report the crimes up the proper chain -- merely publicizing things you think may be whistle-blower protected is the wrong way to go about it. There are explicit paths required to report something covered by the MILITARY whistle-blower protection act complaints. Releasing classified information directly to the press or anyone public is simply not protected whistle-blower activity, particularly in military circles.

Lastly, it's not clear there were any war crimes. The Apache attacks, the most-cited "war crime" of many in the Manning list, while terrible in retrospect, are difficult to prosecute, and wide latitude is given to military personnel who believe their actions are legitimate. There WERE armed combatants on the ground, and the cameramen were easily perceived from the air as carrying RPGs rather than cameras. There is extensive coverage of this all around the web, including Wikipedia of course. This certainly could have been a war crime, but Manning could not have been certain.

Manning should have known all of this. He could have followed proper whistle-blower protocol. He chose not to. I'd have much more sympathy if he had originally tried the proper channels and was rebuffed, but that's not what happened (unless I missed something -- I'd love to be corrected here). I've seen no useful analysis of the Whistle-blower mechanisms because people don't seem to actually try them -- they circumvent the laws designed explicitly to give them protection then complain or seem surprised when they don't get that protection.

I'm not sure what the deal is with those magical powers, but there's a reason Kane asked whether he was Jewish. If you're Jewish, you get automatic Israeli citizenship no matter where you're from, so entry is generally pretty painless. If you're Palestinian or Arab or Muslim or an activist, you're probably just shit out of luck.

I'm not sure what the deal is with those magical powers, but there's a reason Kane asked whether he was Jewish. If you're Jewish, you get automatic Israeli citizenship no matter where you're from, so entry is generally pretty painless. If you're Palestinian or Arab or Muslim or an activist, you're probably just shit out of luck.

I know that it is an op-ed, and therefore not the New York Times' opinion, but the New York Times still have a responsibility to do a basic fact check before posting it.

actually, they do. But it varies massively.

Here's a story about how it took three months of jumping through hoops to get a single op-ed published : http://mondoweiss.net/2012/02/how-sarah-schulman-managed-to-get-pinkwashing-into-the-new-york-times.html . It wasn't nice to Israel you see.

In defense of the nytimes, it does make sense to be a lot more careful when you're publishing something that will get you into trouble.It also makes sense to be risk averse and many editors are very risk averse.

Only, good journalism means looking for trouble. It means you're going after those with power - and unfortunately they can hit back.So good journalism easily gets squeezed out.
Still, the nytimes is a large paper. I think it has room for good journalism, even if it doesn't make the first pages. But the high profile articles, they can really suck.

Ok let's pretend when two sides are firing rockets at each other continuously for many years, that the much larger, richer and better armed side can be referred to as 'defending itself'.

I really dont have a problem with that. If I am walking down the street wearing a flack jacket and carrying a mossberg and you try to mug me with a knife that wouldnt make me the aggressor. But the reality of the case is much worse than that.

The doctoring up (or skewed interpretation ) won't have happened in the actual document. This usually happens in the articles about the document.
Yesterday this was published, which discusses just such a case (namely another article in the independent) http://mondoweiss.net/2012/03/einsteins-crime.html .
Einstein's proposal does not suport the idea of a jewish state. There is a lot of mythology about Einstein being supportive of zionism. He was not - not in the sense it's used now. Says Fred Jerome http://www.einsteinonisrael.com/index.html

Bachman has zero influence - when measured on this scale:
http://mondoweiss.net/2011/12/politico-battle-has-begun-for-the-soul-of-the-democratic-party-over-love-affair-with-likud.html

She's what Stalin used to call a "useful idiot".

So, Nazi scientists' research should have been accepted in all major scientific journals and circles? You have to draw the line somewhere,.

Israel is a genocidal state which has been caught in heinous crimes. Bombing / shooting civilians for sport. Harvesting organs from Palestinians to transplant into Jews, etc.

It is precisely the role of academia to highlight this brutal regime who terrorizes the population within its borders and without. CERN is now complicit in the crimes of Israel. Other academic organizations should boycott not only Israel, but CERN as well.

organ harvesting:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/israel-admits-harvesting-palestinian-organs.html

tee shirts the soldiers wear with things like pictures of pregnant Palestinian women on them with slogans "one bullet two kills":
http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/racist-and-sexist-military-shirts-show-the-fruits-of-israeli-militarism.html

It doesn't take much googling to find credible reports from well respected human rights organizations documenting Israel's murder of unarmed civilians carrying white flags, use by Israeli soldiers of Palestinian children as human shields, mass murder of civilians including children, within the open air prison that is Gaza, and in Lebanon. Israel shooting Palestinian farmers and fishermen for the crime of farming and fishing. Widespread abuse and torture by Israel of Palestinian children (the tiny standing room only lockers so many children reported being locked up inside for weeks by Israeli torturers, that were confirmed after the building they were housed in burned down, etc.). Dumping raw sewage into Palestinian villages. Depleting aquifers in occupied lands and forcing all the Palestinians in Gaza to drink brackish water. Using illegal weapons (phosphorus that burns in contact with human flesh, and water only fuels the burning) against the civilian population. MULTIPLE instances of dropping leaflets telling the civilian Palestinian population to move into a designated area to avoid bombing, then bombing those designated spots, etc. etc. etc.

The vast majority of Israeli Jewish citizens support these atrocities (the percentage of Israelis who supported the brutal murder of Palestinian civilians in operation Cast Lead, is roughly identical to the percentage of Jewish citizens of Israel)-- the entire society is corrupt. It is the duty of academia and all humanity to boycott and isolate this brutal regime.

There is so much hasbra there...including the US supports Israel because of Christian Zionists line...no the US supports Israel because of the Israel lobby...don't believe me...read the diary of the first Defense Secâ(TM)y from 60 years ago.

4 September 1947 Cabinet Lunch
At the end of the lunch [Robert] Hannegan [Postmaster General] brought up the question of the Presidentâ(TM)s making a statement of policy on Palestine, particularly with reference to the entrance of a hundred and fifty thousand Jews into Palestine. He said he didnâ(TM)t want to press for a decision one way or the other but simply wanted to point out that such a statement would have a very great influence and great effect on the raising of funds for the Democratic National Committee. He said very large sums were obtained a year ago from Jewish contributors and that they would be influenced in either giving or withholding by what the President did on Palestine.
29 September 1947 [Conversation with president]
I asked the President whether it would not be possible to lift the Jewish-Palestine question out of politics. The President said it was worth trying although he obviously was skeptical.. [I said] It was dangerous to let it continue to be a matter of barter between the two partiesâ¦
6 October 1947 Cabinet Lunch
Hannegan brought up the question of Palestine. He said many people who had contributed to the Democratic campaign fund in 1944 were pressing hard for assurances from the administration of definitive support for the Jewish position in Palestine. The President said that if they would keep quiet he thought that everything would be all right, but that if they persisted in the endeavor to go beyond the report of the United Nations Commission there was grave danger of wrecking all prospects for settlement.
7 November 1947 Cabinet
[Middle East is a tinder box, warns Secretary of State George Marshall] I repeated my suggestion, made several times previously, that a serious attempt be made to lift the Palestine question out of American partisan politics. I said that there had been general acceptance of the fact that domestic politics ceased at the Atlantic Ocean and that no question was more charged with danger to our security than this particular one.

http://mondoweiss.net/2010/07/60-years-ago-first-defense-secy-said-zionist-pressure-endangered-us-security-all-the-way-to-afghanistan.html

Well, there is plenty of brain washing against palestinians as well. Like maps showing West Bank as a part of Israel, not mentioning the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and showing jews only as innocent victims and things like this: ‘Foreign Policy’ runs piece describing Israel’s ‘carnival of hate’ toward Palestinians

The Muslim Brotherhood has nothing to do with these protests. These are secular Egyptians from all around the country who for years have resented their leader whom is often a puppet to the US.

All due respect but before spouting off about something as if youre an expert RTFA or research it on your own.

http://mondoweiss.net/

Ahmadinejad is not a great person, or a great leader, but making stuff up about him is just stupid. Surely there are plenty of real reasons to dislike his policies?

So, how exactly do you go about changing the "occupying regime" in Israel

The statement didn't refer to "Israel" - it referred to Jerusalem. Jerusalem is "disputed or occupied" depending on who you ask: "the U.S. government, the United Nations, the International Court of Justice, the European Union, the UK, and the International Committee of the Red Cross, among other entities, all reject the Israeli usage and consistently use the term "occupied" in reference to East Jerusalem".

without removing (alive or dead) the Jews that currently live there.

In the same speech Ahmadinejad explained that "regime change" would come from "a democratic government elected by the people". He later clarified that "elections should be held among Jews, Christians and Muslims so the population of Palestine can select their government and destiny for themselves in a democratic manner". He has repeatedly rejected the interpretation of the translation that calls for genocide against the Jews.