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I think you can get the patch at http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ too

Rule number 1 about naming a project -- do a google search. If something else that might be pretty related comes up pretty easily, you've picked a crappy name. In this case Sabayon is already used as the name for GNOME profile editor. It seems like this has been around much longer too.

Rule number 2 about naming a project -- when naming a project, try to get a domain name that reflects the project. I'm confused about how I would know from a URL like http://www.lxnaydesign.net/ that it would be about Sabayon linux.

Remember to play nice boys and girls. And for the Sabayon Linux folks, don't worry, Mozilla made the same mistake a few years ago. Clear up the confusion and move on -- it looks like you've got a pretty slick little distro going.

> PS - Spend the five minutes and get a *REAL* browser! http://www.opera.com/ or
> http://www.mozilla.com./

Gee, thanks. I'd have never found either of those without your help (as I sit here with both firefox and konqueror running in my linux desktop).

> I have absolutely no pity for idiots who complain about how this site and that site don't
> look right on their browser and how they'll browse somewhere else.

Nobody wants your pity. But if you were running an e-commerce site, I bet you'd want to drive traffic *to* your site, instead of *away*, which was the whole point of my initial respose.

> Tell you what, if you're too lazy to upgrade to a real browser, I don't *want* you to view my
> website. GTF on.

Honestly, that's not a problem for me. For *your* sake, however, I hope you're not the guy selling the next thing I'm shopping for online while I'm in my XP desktop. Because if you've barred the door to me (as the parent suggested), I will GTF on and line someone else's pocket.

I'll bet if you were one of the websites I spend money on, you'd want me to be able to view your site.

> Karma be damned, people like you who can't spend 30 seconds to make sure their computer is
> actually running properly shouldn't be able to use them.

Honestly, you really should get off the "anti-anything-MS" bandwagon and think for yourself. I can spend all the time I want installing software. In fact, I spent plenty of time re-partitioning my laptop to dual boot XP and Linux and then installing and configuring Linux.

The point was - "why drive traffic AWAY from your site, when the whole point of HAVING a site is to drive traffic TO the damn thing". I'll repeat, if you have a hobby site of some kind and you want to close the door to everyone who doesn't agree with your software choices, then the world is no worse off. If you have a business site and you close the door to anyone who doesn't have your favorite brand installed, then the world is *still* no worse off - but your business is certainly suffering for your personal prejusice.

However, if you're a business, or a businessman, then you understand that money doesn't know what browser you're using, it doesn't know if you're MS-aphobic, MS-aholic or somewhere in between. What you *do* know is that your goal is to get Mr. Customer's money from his pocket and into yours. You will not accomplish that goal if you bar them from the store.

I mean, really ... all I said was, rather than bar the door, put a note at the top, bottom, or somewhere "optimized for brand X browser" and provide a link - why all the venom?

Al

This just furthers Microsoft's point of keeping IE's non-compliance as a de-facto standard.

What you just said, in simpler terms is:

Microsoft's browser can't render CSS properly.
Don't complain about it or try to get it to change.
Don't try and get your userbase to upgrade.
Work around it, instead.


So, I write standards compliant code. You're telling me to break my code JUST so it looks good on some toolsack's browser who hasn't updated since IE5.5!? Further proof people should have to take an exam to be allowed on the internet.

PS - Spend the five minutes and get a *REAL* browser! http://www.opera.com/ or http://www.mozilla.com./ I have absolutely no pity for idiots who complain about how this site and that site don't look right on their browser and how they'll browse somewhere else. Tell you what, if you're too lazy to upgrade to a real browser, I don't *want* you to view my website. GTF on.

Karma be damned, people like you who can't spend 30 seconds to make sure their computer is actually running properly shouldn't be able to use them.

Simple way to boycot:
if IE --> Download Firefox Link
else --> Welcome visitor!

Why not give users feedback about their browser or the browser compatibility of sites? I think it would be nice if Google would tell IE users with Active X on that a site they're about to visit contains Active X and may be a threat to their system.

Better yet, consider standards compliance and accessibility when ranking pages.

If Google wants to use their position to police the Internet, why stop with Spyware. Test whether people have a secure browser and tell them when they don't:

"FYI, your version of IE is 3 years out of date. Please go here to upgrade it, or go here to replace it."

They could fix a lot of the problem right there.

Outlook? There's Evolution or kontact

Viruses? what's that?
Oh well, if you're worried about email viruses, you can always check out ClamAV

ActiveX controls that install software without you knowing is the last thing you have to worry about linux.

Popup blocker? It comes with Mozilla Firefox

Firewall? It's called Netfilter but if you find it too hard to configure, there are tools available, like Shorewall

And finally, there's a large choice of IM Clients on linux, like aMSN and Gaim that support animated emoticons and toaster popups (I haven't got the slightest idea about what the blue tray guy is)

Anyways, if you don't like any of these, you can always check out your distribution's package database for other other software.

Firefox
Real Alternative
All of the functionality of this debacle without the spyware.

From the release notes, Firefox 1.5.0.5 release date = 27/07/06.

The Mozilla site has been down all day too.

Just as I am reading this, I have my new browser delivered as well.

Here are the pieces you will need.

Get Firefox: http://mozilla.com/

Install Greasemonkey: http://greasemonkey.mozdev.org/

Then install the following greasemonkey scripts:
MySpace Tag Remover: http://www.userscripts.org/scripts/show/746
MySpace Custom Style Remover: http://www.userscripts.org/scripts/show/997
MySpace Ad Remover: http://www.userscripts.org/scripts/show/3719

Err...

For your reference, the official (mozilla.org / mozilla.com) binaries released are NOT released under the GPL. And that's allowed because their code is MPL/GPL/LGPL tri-licensed and, AFAIK, MPL allows for that.

Firefox EULA.

At least, that was the impression I got from bugzilla... comment 46 of the "provide a unicode binary" bug. No bug numbers because that bug's got enough comments as it is :p

taking on VISTA and aims to beat it

Better to aim high and miss.

Amen. Don't fix what isn't broken in the first place.

I use Thunderbird, and with a bit of spam blocking (combining Thunderbird's built-in adaptive filter with my ISP's filter, which is probably SpamAssassin) I'm able to track my email quite effectively without having my email client graph it out for me.

I will say though that one of the cool features I use is email colourization, where email matching a certain filter is highlighted in a different colour in your inbox (accessible through the Message Filters section of Thunderbird). In the end, though, that's just a new adaptation of filtering rules that have been around since pine came out, or at least close to it.

Where to start with you...

First of all, learn to speak English better. From your rant, it seems that not having "fancy graphics" is not a requirement for you, thus making "fancy graphics" appear to contain little importance in your microcosm, which makes me wonder why you'd even bring it up.

Second, have you ever heard of WINE? It also seems you would be a prime candidate for "person who would benefit most from an Apple MacBook which, with its X86 processor and "Boot Camp" can support installation of Windows, Linux, and OSX operating systems simultaneously.

Furthermore, with that absolutely clueless comment you made about Firefox and Outlook, I'd guess that you'd really get a kick out of OSX. Also, have you tried Thunderbird?

I'll stop there for now, before I get carried away.

If it's any consolation, I don't think that you're extremely stupid; I just think you're ignorant.

Yeah, irrelevant to 99.5% of slashdot.

IE 7 still did not correctly implement the box model, positioning, all CSS1, all CSS2, or any CSS3. The same IE-specific parsing bugs for CSS are in place in IE 7.

At this point, you have to ask; is it that the people at Microsoft are incapable of producing a specs-compliant rendering engine (when every one else in the world can?), that they are roped by backwards compatibility, or that they think people will see IE 6 + tabs as "good enough"?

It's to the point where every site I make has 2 code paths: not IE, and the IE-specific overrides (up to an additional 20kb per page!).

Patches for this problem available here, here and here.

Ads!? Popups!?

My question is this:
Why the hell are there so many people on Slashdot that haven't heard of the incredible fruits of OSS?

> The article [lwn.net] is currently subscriber only and won't be visible to non-subscribers until next Tuesday, IIRC.

No problem, just right click the login-box and select "Login with BugMeNot".

You need Firefox and the BugMeNot-extension, though. Firefox can be found in your favorite repository or at http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/.

The BugMeNot extension is here: http://extensions.roachfiend.com/bugmenot.xpi

Nope... It is only ment for W3C compliant browsers...

--

Get a real browser here FireFox or here Opera

RTFM, then!. It's right there! And I know of about 10 other software programs where the "readme" listed known issues with workarounds.

first start with the behavior that causes virus infections. teach your parents safe internet habits.

then use firefox and thunderbird. http://www.mozilla.com/products/ it's safer and faster. chances are, once your parents become familliar with the features, they won't care about the stupid blue E.

then install a good internet security suite. Not Norton or McAfee, I said good.

it's worth money to protect your computer and all your information. (parents always reply with, "I don't have anything on there!")

if it has to be free, AVG is the best.

if you are willing to spend some money to ensure safety, Kaspersky Internet Security Suite is my top choice. http://usa.kaspersky-labs.com/products/internet-se curity.php

I've used all major AV and PF applications out there. This is by far, the best I've ever used.

it lets you password protect the running process. so a virus can't shut it down.

bottom line, viruses spread with 20% technology, 5% evil, and 75% user ignorance.

You mean a PC that includes:

An office suite.

A standards compliant browswer

Maybe a simple image editor

And maybe a couple of small utility programs.

Yeah, I guess that would be worth paying for....
I mean, it's not like people are giving it away for free.

Or you could, you know, switch to FireFox or Opera. It's certainly not Google's fault that you continue to use a broken browser that allows all those things on your list to affect you.

In a second to Marxist's comments: May I suggest Mozilla Thunderbird (I'm presuming that you're not already running Linux). It should eat those emails pretty quickly. Just turn on the "junk mail" controls and start marking those emails as junk.

The fact of the matter is that emails that many people suffer a lot of problems with emails, from my old ma to the CEOs of large companies. The current email system is flawed. Telling me that it's perfect or that it already does everything that everyone want is just frankly rubbish. The reason I find this subject so annoying is that one day there will be a better messaging system than email, but it looks like it's not going to come from the OSS community.

OK, here's where I think you are confused; perhaps no one has taken the time to explain things to you without getting too technical.

There are three* types of "undelivered" email, that would all get your mythical red dot, if I understand you correctly:

1. Email that was sent to an invalid address. A user sends an email to joe.m.bloe@company.com, except that he meant to send it to joe.t.bloe@company.com. In this case, the company.com mail server will "bounce" the email: the sender will get an email message saying, essentially, "I cannot deliver this message because there is no user named joe.m.bloe." If this bounce response is not sent, it is the fault of the administrator, not of the email protocol.

2. Email that has not yet been read. Some people might consider this "undelivered", although the server considers it delivered because it made it to the right mailbox. What happens after that is the responsibility of the recipient. If you simply HAVE to know when your message is read, then attach a read receipt, which is built right into the protocol. (Please note: most people don't like being spied on, and will not send a receipt when asked by the email client.)

3. Email that simply goes missing. This breaks down further into two categories:
    a. Filtered email. The administrator of an email server can choose to filter mail, either to take out spam, curb inappropriate content, do virus checking, or whatever. False positives in this situation (non-spam email that was filtered and deleted) are the fault of the administrator/spam-blocker, not of the email protocol. The sender should be notified if a message he sent was filtered.
    b. "Lost" email. "Oh, the reason why that report isn't finished yet is because .... uh .... I never got the email. Yeah." People lie. Deal with it-- it's not the email protocol's fault, nor is it the protocol's job to police it.

So the reason why most people on Slashdot aren't taking to your idea is that the current system can handle all the various contingencies that might come up. If your emails really are just disappearing without a trace (and you're sure no one is lying about it) then you need to have a serious talk with your administrator about what can be done, because there is something wrong with your company's mail system.

Many email servers are poorly administrated, it's true. But no amount of coding by the OSS community will fix that. It's not a technical problem at that point; it's a social one. The current protocol contains everything necessary to "guarantee" mail delivery, if such a thing is possible when humans are part of the system.

On the other hand, if you're just looking for an email client that will place a red dot next to an email conversation that received an Undeliverable Bounce from the server, then you might want to go suggest that feature to the Thunderbird people.

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*There is a fourth category--where an email was not forwarded on by one of the middleman servers between point A and point B--but given the generally robust nature of the internet, unless you are using some shady email server that might flake out at any moment (again, the fault of the administrator) or sending your email through shady proxies, the chances of this happening are so very slim as to be completely negligible.

You're not very bright are you?

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/applications/0,39 020384,39189475,00.htm

http://www.mozilla.com/press/mozilla-2005-11-29.ht ml

It looks like its days as a "community organization" are numbered. :(

It doesn't have to be that way. When you type 'firefox', you want your computer to run the software from http://www.mozilla.com/firefox. Setting this short-cut (associating this short name with the full URL) should indeed require admin access if it is to affect all users. But, if you let each user store this association themselves, so that typing 'firefox' expands to telling the computer "Run http://www.mozilla.com/firefox", there's no reason why the computer can't be smart enough to only download and store the actual program code once.

See 0install.net for an example of this way of running programs.

It doesn't have to be that way. When you type 'firefox', you want your computer to run the software from http://www.mozilla.com/firefox. Setting this short-cut (associating this short name with the full URL) should indeed require admin access if it is to affect all users. But, if you let each user store this association themselves, so that typing 'firefox' expands to telling the computer "Run http://www.mozilla.com/firefox", there's no reason why the computer can't be smart enough to only download and store the actual program code once.

See 0install.net for an example of this way of running programs.

Mozilla Corporation : http://www.mozilla.com/about/

Anyways, what about private corporations, such as the one my parents owned? You can't tell me there isn't a single corporation in the entire world that isn't run ethically, because I can use that not so well known one as an example.

Anyways, this really is a completely pointless argument we are all having. I'm going to quit posting now.

Firey Fox! Well, provided you can get approval from MoFo/MoCo to do that. On second thought, maybe that isn't such a good idea.

Their "ultimate" package is really a crock of shiat, and really only called "ultimate" because the of "ultimate" income it brings to Best Buy. First of all, recovery disks should come with a new PC no matter what. It should NEVER be an option. I would never buy a computer without recovery disks.

Secondly, their, "system optimizations," are mainly a bunch of useless commercial tools for removing spyware and adware and basic stuff. You can get much better stuff online for either free or cheaper. I will say that a good antivirus application is something you want, though, so that part of the package is worth something.

Instead of giving more money to Best Buy, I would recommend going online once you get your computer and obtaining the following software packages:

• Download all of the critical and important updates from windows update (this is free).
• Norton Antivirus (ok, this one will cost something, but usually only about $20-$30, though if you work for a non-profit or a school, you can probably get a copy through them. Don't waste your money on Norton Internet Security, Norton Personal Firewall, or Norton SystemWorks.).
• Spybot Search & Destroy (this is free, though the guy that invented it does deserve a donation, and will keep your system generally free of spyware & adware).
• Mozilla Firefox (don't use an insecure browser like IE).

Anybody that can't go to these sites and download a few simple software titles themselves, probably shouldn't be using a computer in the first place,...

free
http://www.7-zip.org/
http://www.cdburnerxp.se/
http://www.mozilla.com/firefox
http://djlizard.net/software/dial-a-fix
http://www.yamipod.com/main/modules/home
http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html

shareware
http://www.steganos.com/?product=safe8&language=en
http://www.agnitum.com/products/tauscan/index.php
http://www.kaspersky.com/antihacker

Microsoft Releases it's newest IE Patch today. It is codenamed Firefox and can be downloaded at http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/. ;) Sorry, couldn't resist. ...and now back to our regularly scheduled program.

I second Microsoft Power Toys and add some more:

* AutoIt for simple automation tasks and creating small programs with graphical user interfaces

* Firefox, of course. Opera is also a good choice.

* Daemon Tools for mounting ISOs as virtual CD/DVD drives

* Trillian--AIM, ICQ, IRC, MSN, and Yahoo messenger client


* QuickTime Alternative

* RealPlayer Alternative

* IrfanView--small, free, fast image viewer



* SysInternals utilities--useful for admins

* Scanner--shows hard drive usage as stacked pie graph of files/folders

* 7-zip: similar to WinZip or WinRAR or StuffIt

* Foxit [PDF] Reader--a lite alternative to Adobe


Following ones aren't free but are very useful Windows-only programs:

* FinePrint--n up printing, universal print preview, etc.

* MaxiVisa--use a networked computer like a secondary display

* TextPad, though I opt for the open-source and FREE SciTE

Norton and Mcaffee both suck. I mean, they're both terrible, poorly written, resource-intensive programs. The best anti-virus software I've found is AVG Free Edition. Though, realistically, you only need AV software if you open email attachments and download stuff from websites that aren't obviously trustworthy.

For antispyware software, the only ones to use are Spybot and Ad-Aware. Again, you only really need those programs if you use Internet Explorer. Don't. Get Firefox instead.

What else is good and useful? VLC has been mentioned, it's the best media player. Some of these Powertoys are useful, especially TweakUI. For Instant messaging, Trillian is the best, though GAIM gets better all the time.

Other than that...games. I don't have any recommendations for those, you'll just have to find what you like. Have fun.

Firefox
OpenOffice.org

and for the rest of your software needs...

Azureus

Theres something most folks will overlook (and I'm looking past the flamewar)

The first couple of stops should be to AVG and Firefox

Being a mac user, you know windows has viruses, and well firefox speaks for itself.

It is just me or is slashdot in the habit of pretending sites like Groklaw doesn't exist? Groklaw had the scoop a full day before the Computer Business Review article (which probably used Groklaw as its primary source anyway). I don't think this is some corporate conspiracy against Groklaw; I just wonder if Slashdot is having a hard time coping with the fact that specialized blogs, rss feeds, and aggregators like Thunderbird are doing a much better job of providing what Slashdot provided in the past... So the editors don't post articles that directly link to the 'competition'.

It's rather ironic that we're trying to get browsers to do what other application platforms have been able to do since the late 1970s. I sometimes wonder if the web browser, like the gopher client before it, should be dropped for something, well, a little less kludgy and arcane.

You download and install the patch from here:

http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/

How about a conditional comment that redirects you to here?

The move is a shift for the Hotmail business, which in the past, has charged users who wanted to read their mail using desktop software, rather than a Web browser.

1. Check your Hotmail (and Gmail and Windows Life Mail) through a new proprietary (malware issues?) client that will most likely bombard you with advertisements or
2. Check your Hotmail (and many other mail systems) through good old Thunderbird with no advertisements and source code that you can alter yourself if you ever feel the need to.

It's part of the company's broader Windows Live effort and could eventually serve as a hub, not just for Windows Live Mail, but for other Microsoft Web-based services as well.

• The "Genuine Advantage" checker Web-based service. There to report you for anything you've done to Windows that in any way violates the EULA you blindly clicked during the install.
• Microsofty Ads! The Web-based service that brings advertisements to your desktop so that you can get all the cool new Microsoft products cheaper!
• Member Updates. The client application that annoyingly pops up in the bottom right of your screen as a paper clip to alert you of cool new Microsoft products!
• The Blue Screen of Death inducer--a service that allows Microsoft to trigger your machine remotely to BSOD on you. Why try to recover from an error when you can just reboot?
• The Friendly Survey Service, a program that just tallies up what you got on your machine and phones home to Microsoft so Mr. Gates can have charts presented to him that realistically show the threat of OOo against Office.
• Et cetera...

"...and reading this from a windows/IE only work PC."

There's two other patches out there that work pretty damn well:

1 and 2.

Download here:
http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/

Actually, Firefox 3.0 could take advantage of your spiffy GPU because Gecko 1.9 will be drawing on Cairo or WP Cairo which will be accelerated by Glitz