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I don't know why, but the system requirements page states that:
For running on Mac OS the minimum requrements are:

Operating Systems

* Mac OS X 10.2.x and later

Minimum Hardware

* Macintosh computer with a PowerPC G3, G4, or G5 processor
* 128 MB RAM (Recommended: 256 MB RAM or greater)
* 4 GB hard drive space

I don't know what you need the 4 GB of hard drive space for (52MB for both windows and linux)...
Link:
http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/system-requirements /

If a patch breaks a critical system it can cost the company millions in uptime, legal expenses and replacement costs.

Now the question is, do the costs you mentioned outweigh the security risks/costs of not patching their software?
And if it does indeed 'break a critical system' then maybe it is different issue that may not related to the browser at all. Or, if so, they could always use Firefox.

I am not up in arms or pissed off, just trying to point out what happens in some countries vs. others.
It is getting tiring to hear stories about how people were scammed by not updating their Microsoft products. But then again, those people probably don't even read these stories, let alone update anything.

I agree, that's why Firefox with the adblock extension is your friend:

http://mozilla.com/

http://adblock.mozdev.org/

If I'm not the first to suggest it, I definitely won't be the last... many of the problems you speak of can be gotten around simply via the use of a capable client software and a secure operating system.

I posit that the use of buggy and insecure software is one major reason that Internet growth hasn't been all that it could have. People are (rightfully) terrified of all the spam, pop-up ads, viruses, privacy concerns that could all be eliminated to a large extent if reliable end-user software were the norm and not the exception. The Internet was built upon open source and I futher argue that it will never reach its fullest potential until better engineered software is on both ends of the network connection.

... no it isn't :-/ The mozilla foundation is, but all the monetary dealings we're talking about are done by The Mozilla Corporation

While Mozilla Foundation is the happy place where users can donate money to a non-profit, its wholly-owned subsidiary Mozilla Corporation is the money maker in question. While Foundation has to do certain things publicly in order to support the 501c3 status, corporation doesn't, and guess who owns the browser? Yep, by visiting http://www.mozilla.com/ we can find out it's the Corporation, not the Foundation.

For some time, I have had a media box set up at home (behind the couch) running Azureus. Combine that with Hamachi, Firefox, the ConQuery extension and the WebUI plugin for Azureus, and I am a right click away from downloading any torrent I want whereever my laptop is. Tivo's got me beat though, because I can't do it from my phone (yet...).

On the other hand, I've got Tivo beat because I can do what I want with the media I get this way.

because you can't do that in Linux.

What kind of rendering do you think is missing?

As for: "multilingual browsers are also something Mozilla never had and never will have."
Who uses Mozilla anymore? However, as to mozilla descendents- Firefox can be downloaded in 42 languages.
http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/all.html

The safari update download I found supported 15 languages.
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/safariupdat e132.html

I don't understand what advantage you see Safari has in this regard.

No, actually we hired my cousin Crazy McWhackjob to run our day to day marketing operations.

She's already done a great job. She's already ordered the 10,000 tons of oatmeal we need to complete our next project (in under 3 hours no less!), very solidly framed up the vice president in an attempted lawyer assasination and got press releases featuring our latest new feature.

9/10 so far, I'd say.

If anyone needs a larger photo of Mrx. McWhackjob, an 11 MB TIFF is available here.

Wilshe McSleepwithme
President, Mazzola Friarfox Division

No, actually we hired my cousin Crazy McWhackjob to run our day to day marketing operations.

She's already done a great job. She's already ordered the 10,000 tons of oatmeal we need to complete our next project (in under 3 hours no less!), very solidly framed up the vice president in an attempted lawyer assasination and got press releases featuring our latest new feature.

9/10 so far, I'd say.

If anyone needs a larger photo of Mrx. McWhackjob, an 11 MB TIFF is available here.

Wilshe McSleepwithme
President, Mazzola Friarfox Division

Use Firefox 1.5 if possible, Mozilla.com as that has error pages instead of error messages enabled by default. If that is not possible then type about:config in the address bar and in the filter paste browser.xul.error_pages.enabled double click on it to turn it to true.

Precedent? Interesting how you immediately jumped on Firefox and didn't consider any other possible causes, of which there are many, such as spyware inserted as a layer between the system and TCP/IP.

Why didn't you tell the original poster to just try the page with Internet Explorer? I mean, their system is otherwise clean, and while I too would hesitate to get them to open a suspicious site with it, they could simply crank the security to full and be equally protected, assuming they had all their patches.

Sounds like you had a solution waiting for a problem, and this one didn't quite fit but you threw it in anyway.

To the original poster: What are the sites showing this issue? It might be that they are actually using Unicode characters that your system isn't setup to recognize. In any case, try reinstalling Firefox. If that doesn't resolve the issue, try reinstalling TCP/IP; try the easy way first, and if that doesn't fix the issue, try the harder way. Being that you're running AOL, you will probably have to reinstall that as well for both of these methods, as it sometimes uses its own drivers.

PS: You should post messages requesting help in a forum appropriate for them. Slashdot is not a good place to request support, usually (as evidenced by your 100% Off Topic moderation). Check out Experts Exchange for one such forum, though you may have to pay for the points to ask questions. You should also take a look at How to Ask Questions the Smart Way by ESR, as posting questions on the internet (esp. to volunteers) is somewhat different from calling technical support.

1. FreeBSD router running NATD and IPFW
2. AVG Free Edition for system scans and e-mail
3. Firefox 1.5 for browsing the Internet

You can have a desktop linux NOW. Fetch a modern commercial distro (http://www.ubuntu.com/>Ubuntu, Mandrake, etc) or any of the free ones and you'll have an excellent desktop with little issues, if any.

    The people that bitch about the "linux desktop" haven't normally ever tried Linux and want something that feels like their WinXP desktop. If you're looking for that, yes, there's nothing like it now and probably won't be for a while. If you want an useable Unix desktop, there's a lot of excellent ones arround.
    You have a wide choice of desktops and window and managers, and there's a lot of excellent software for them. A linux desktop is useable today, and by anyone - i had Ubuntu on a desktop for a while and my mother, who's 'computer-imparied' had zero issues using it. Besides being unable to find the blue E icon ;)

Comments like yours make me thank the Lord there is tabbedhttp://www.mozilla.com/firefox/tabs.html browsing http://www.maxthon.com/.

I just wish I could figure this html thing out, do you suppose it will catch on?

http://www.mozilla.com/

Nuff said... move along.

-Eric

Standards aren't a matter of morality, they are a matter of consensus. A web developer develops for whatever his customer complains about the least. Occassionally, some spend a bit more devoloping for the widest market share and audience. Even more seldom, a developer develops to published standards, sometimes screwing his customer in the process, sometimes not.

If no one uses the standard, it's irrelevant. The only relevant standard is the standard that is used. It makes everyone's life easier when everyone uses the standard, but then, that is what we call concensus.

Now, for my own personal pages that I could care less about my "customer", I like to detect the browser and in the event of IE put a big sign on the page that says "We have detected that you are using a legacy browser. Much of the content on this site may not work properly. If you would like to download a modern browser capable of using sites like this one, you can download one for youre platform at http://www.mozilla.com/" But I'm just a smartass :)

This just in: Both OpenOffice.org and Mozilla Firefox are now available for Linux
In other news, I'm not a troll but parent's point is 2/3rds incorrect.

Here's a good place to start. Firefox has full Gopher support.

Of course if you want to be 100% sure a format would work. DO NOT RUN A LOW LEVEL FORMAT! I seen it recommended it's just wrong... Low-level Formatting creates the Tracks and Sectors on a blank hard drive. The drives you buy today are Low-level Formatted at the factory. Low-level Formatting these hard drives yourself is not recommended.

But not everyone can or wants to go trough the trouble of formatting so what can we do next?

My standard way to get spyware of a box:

run crapcleaner this will remove a lot of useless files just make sure you only select the sections you want deleted. Don't use the reg clean unless you know what you're doing.

Next up would be the running the standard anti virus programs I personally use hitmanpro the site is dutch but the program is English it includes most trusted anti-spyware products and runs them all in a row and automatically removes anything and makes up a html page of what it did.

Still not gone?

- If you know the name of the spyware it might be worth googling chances are you find a special removal tool.

- In my case I can spot bad programma's and spyware as a process with the use of HijackThis and sysinternals process explorer. But be sure to google all the processes you don't trust before deleting them. This way of deleting is not recommended for your average computer user (then again you post on slashdot so your probably fine..)

- Some times it's required to boot in to safemode to remove some files

Ok now that you're cleaned you don't want this sort of thing to happen again there are a few common practices:

- Don't be YES man don't just click YES and NEXT on every box that pops-up also instruct any family members to do the same.

- Run as a normal user instead of administrator

- Make sure windows is up to date

- Some browsers such as firefox make it easier to avoid spyware though this requires some plugins. recommended are adblock + gblocklist

Useful links:

google: http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/
;)
crapcleaner: http://ccleaner.com/

hitmanPro: http://hitmanpro.nl/

HijackThis: http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/

Process explorer: http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/ProcessExplo rer.html

Firefox browser: http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/

adblock: https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php ?id=10&application=firefox

gblock list for adblock: https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php ?id=1136&application=firefox

hope it helps...

Any idea when the new version of Opera Maxi (i.e. normal Opera) will be coming out? 9 has been in beta for a long time, and I'd like to see Gmail work right for once.

Sure, you can get it right here.

(Sorry, couldn't resist, I got a bunch of the same shit talking about aieeeee in another thread) :)

http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/

SpamAssassin & Thunderbird heuristic learning, have been keeping my inbox 99,7% spamfree for the last 2 years.

Stupid as i am, i never realized that i have Microsoft to thank for it.

Because our DSL-Router (Windows XP pro with Kerio Winroute 5) had a serious error I was forced to go online by 56k-ISDN Dial-Up with my own Windows XP pro Computer.
My system wasn't Up-To-Date (maybe 2 or 3 weeks without Windows Update) and I had no Firewall installed. About 2 Minutes after I dialed up my Computer shut itself down (I turned on Windows XP Firewall and downloaded a Firewall I really trusted).
As you can see: The up/downstream is not very important ;)
It's more important to have a nice Firewall (I use Kerio Personal Firewall which is Free, but the AdBlocker and some other additional stuff will be disabled after 30 days of testing, but the Firewall still works and can be configured...) and good Antivirus (like AntiVir PE Classic which is free for personal use, too).
And since you're online with DSL you can turn auto-update for both programs on.
And of course Windowsupdate, if you want to (I only use Service Packs because I trust FireFox 1.5 and my sense for dangerous stuff)

OK, with Dial-Up you may be more secure because you're not always-on, but thats somewhat foolish. Because if you don't go online at all you're quite safe, too.

> Spyware report what you do to its creators, browsers doesn't report anything to its creators.

So are you denying firefox sends any of this information when you browse http://www.mozilla.com/ ?

"Hi, it looks like you misspelled Portugese!"

http://www.mozilla.org/firefox
http://www.mozilla.com/products/

http://www.opera.com/download/
http://www.opera.com/

http://www.theopencd.org/ Download the 650MB ISO image file and burn to CD share with your friends who have less bandwidth to the internet to install FireFox broswer and Thunderbird e-mail client on their Windows PC.

Make a WMF virus variant that pops open the http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ website to give the user an opportunity to click "Install FireFox" for windows. Hey I did not force him to install anything, but just pointed it out.

Remember, Its the thought that counts! I was just making it easier for the end user to use his or her computer Virus free.

Fred

to fix this problem http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin /MS06-001.mspx

http://www.mozilla.org/firefox
http://www.mozilla.com/products/

http://www.opera.com/download/
http://www.opera.com/

http://www.theopencd.org/ Download the 650MB ISO image file and burn to CD share with your friends who have less bandwidth to the internet to install FireFox broswer and Thunderbird e-mail client on their Windows PC.

Make a WMF virus variant that pops open the http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ website to give the user an opportunity to click "Install FireFox" for windows. Hey I did not force him to install anything, but just pointed it out.

Remember, Its the thought that counts! I was just making it easier for the end user to use his or her computer Virus free.

Fred

to fix this problem http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin /MS06-001.mspx

• Wikipedia
  
• Firefox
  
• OpenOffice
  
• BitTorrent
  
• MediaWiki
  
• Xvid
  
• phpBB
  
• Outfoxed
  
• Dyne:bolic
  
• GIMP
  
• Apache
  
• SourceForge
  

But how can I change the content on http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/? I would guess that there was a confusion between the author and whoever wrote the summary at the Indy. Another reason for the "Independent isn't a serious newspaper any more" pile, perhaps?

For WINE users, here's a patch.

Wow, I could never imagine this time would come, after all those here's a patch jokes!

Microsoft Security Advisory (912840): Vulnerability in Graphics Rendering Engine Could Allow Remote Code Execution.
"How could an attacker exploit the vulnerability?
An attacker could host a malicious Web site that is designed to exploit this vulnerability through Internet Explorer and then persuade a user to view the Web site."
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory /912840.mspx

Hmmm, it would appear there is more than one way to apply a patch: install Firefox and Thunderbird.

You're missing the point. If you go to my blog, as well as my content, you'll see current headlines from other sites I find interesting. How do you think they get there? Do you imagine I sit up every night carefully editing my pages and putting in new links? Hint: I don't. A little fragment of XSL pulls the current RSS from the sites I'm interested in, and integrates it into the page as it rebuilds it. And guess what? Those sidebars on Slashdot are just the same.

RSS may not be interesting to you on your browser (although with plugins like Wizz RSS for Firefox you may be missing something). But whether or not you know you're using RSS, you are using RSS.

And so you should, because it is exceedingly good stuff.

The names listed in your Gnome menu are not the names of the applications. A while back the Gnome devs recognized that Linux applications have stupid unintuitive names so they decided to give the core programs used in Gnome easy to identify aliases. It's not called "Firefox Web Browser", it's called Firefox. "Totem Movie Player" is an alias for Totem. "Text Editor" is an alias for gedit. There is no Linux app called "Instant Messenger", it's Gaim or Gabber. Go down your list of Linux names and what you find almost every time is an instance where the Gnome devs thought that the real name of the application was too stupid and non-intuitive to be listed by name, so they created an alias for it. This is the entire point of the original article: most Linux applications have stupid names.

but it raises an excellent point.
I've no idea what that point is. I think it may be that he believes that the only way that people know which program to use is if it is spelled out in full:
"MicroSoft Windows Web Browser"
"MicroSoft Windows program to play music and video files"
"Adobe program to manipulate photos, images and pictures"
If that's all you want, create a menu item that takes up half the screen:
"GNU Image Manipulation Program"
Sorry, I guess that was not the point he was trying to make, was it?

The author seems to be lacking in depth of experience, implying that GIMP, Opera and FireFox are "Linux applications" only.

• Fix for a potential buffer overflow vulnerability when loading a hostname with all soft-hyphens
• Fix to prevent URLs passed from external programs from being parsed by the shell (Linux only)
• Fix to prevent a crash when loading a Proxy Auto-Config (PAC) script that uses an "eval" statement

Actually, it's Mozilla.com now. :-\
http://www.mozilla.com/about

http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/

In case you noticed, the linked article read like a bad translation from Chinese to English. Probably because it was.

What you say? Still, it is possible to do someone another way. Firefox makes good use of private and official time for sensuous people. Make your time.

Here is what I get when I view the Gap site in Safari:

"We're sorry, but we do not support the version of the browser you are using.
Our site works best with the following browsers:

PC users
Internet Explorer 5.5 and above. Download browser: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/default.mspx
Netscape 7 and above. Download browser: http://browser.netscape.com/
Mozilla (including Firefox) 1.0 and above. Download browser: http://www.mozilla.com/firefox

Mac users
Netscape 7 and above. Download browser: http://browser.netscape.com/
Mozilla (including Firefox) 1.0 and above. Download browser: http://www.mozilla.com/firefox"

It sounds like they have decided to only support a couple of browsers and they reject others based on the useragent string.

Here is what I get when I view the Gap site in Safari:

"We're sorry, but we do not support the version of the browser you are using.
Our site works best with the following browsers:

PC users
Internet Explorer 5.5 and above. Download browser: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/default.mspx
Netscape 7 and above. Download browser: http://browser.netscape.com/
Mozilla (including Firefox) 1.0 and above. Download browser: http://www.mozilla.com/firefox

Mac users
Netscape 7 and above. Download browser: http://browser.netscape.com/
Mozilla (including Firefox) 1.0 and above. Download browser: http://www.mozilla.com/firefox"

It sounds like they have decided to only support a couple of browsers and they reject others based on the useragent string.

Maybe your platform differs. I went to mozilla.com and it clearly states "Download Firefox 1.5 for Linux i686, English (8.1MB) " in that green box.

So now Opera is threatening to shame its users in to staying with them?... *gasp* Friends don't let friends use Opera! http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/

A good example is "Alt" tags. These are crucial for displaying your page in a text only browser such as links, e-links, lynx, etc...

Unless, of course, someone is an artist who just wants his work to be seen and enjoyed by others (or a photographer, or a fledgling game designer, etc.). Suddenly, text-only browsers don't seem so relevent -- a flowery description inside an Alt tag just ain't the same.

Mind you, I'm not saying text-only browsers have no use (of course they do!), just that they have very limited use, and I certainly wouldn't recommend them as the only browser a person ever uses (ie. great for mobile devices, lousy for regular use). Without a decent graphics-capable browser, there's really a lot to miss on the Internet, unless you're only doing research.

Having said that, I really can't see how it's all that critical to get noticed for browsers that have only the tiniest portion of the market.

Note: Not looking for a flame war, just my two cents, YMMV, rebuttals welcome. Thanks.

no one cares about IE 7

"I don't feel like going to a lyric site right now and festooning my display with twelve pop-ups."

Ummm....what's a pop-up?

After they acquired mozilla.com? I mean, sure, `grep -R ns mozilla/' to see how nearly every class and template in the source is prefixed with `ns', so yeah, the Netscape roots still continue to exist.