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Sure, but rather quickly such a household name (either by using $AD_SYNDICATE, or by committing their own irritating ad-deeds) becomes a standard "*$CATDEVNULLED*" filter in the nice extension of your favorite browser.

And in the meantime, while filters are updated for the real world, we make do with the baseball bats, as has been suggested.

I'd be that's a bug in slashcode.

Who on earth mods this rubbish up as informative? It's a confirmed bug in Firefox. (If you have your referer information switched on, you may need to copy and paste that URL; bugzille blocks links directly from Slashdot).

• Please Understand Why My Wife Can't Stand Mozilla

Back when I submitted the bug in June of 2003, my wife was working as a freelance web designer, and tried to use Mozilla for her work after I stressed the importance of interoperable websites, but gave up in frustration because Mozilla had several UI bugs that made it unusable for her, bugs that no one seemed inclined to fix.

Well, flash forward to September of 2004, and now my wife is a happy user of Mozilla 1.7. She never touches internet explorer.

She's not a web designer anymore though. She found clients frustrating too.

The Mozilla people who commented on the bug were a bunch of grumps who never seemed to understand that my wife and I were genuinely trying to be helpful.

From my /usr/share/doc/mozilla-browser/copyright file:

"Some files in this source package are under the Netscape Public License. Others, under the Mozilla Public license, and just to confuse you even more, some are dual licensed MPL/GPL."

Also see the Mozilla Relicensing FAQ. The ulimate goal is to have all of the code (except some external libraries with permissive licenses, like libjpeg or libpng) to be triple-licensed under the MPL, GPL and LGPL.

I'm guessing by this stage that both the APR and NSPR are industrial strength libs to write cross-platforms against. Both have similar functionality because both underpin web servers (yes NSPR is used by the AOL/Sun iPlanet webserver, and not just Mozilla).

What it might boil down to in the end is which runtime's licence is most compatible with what you have in mind.

NSPR (Netscape Portable Runtime) http://www.mozilla.org/projects/nspr/index.html

ACE (Adaptive Communication Environment http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~schmidt/ACE.html

wxWidgets http://www.wxwidgets.org

Those are just a few, there are others out there as well

Choosing one to use is a difficult exercise. The important things to consider are what you want to use it for and how it fits in with your existing software and experience.

If you'll be doing GUI programming, wxWidgets is a good way to go. In addition to the file io/threads/networking portability you get GUI portability as well. The NSPR fits into this area as well.

The APR is obviously a well tried and proven framework, since the Apache HTTP server uses it. If you want cross platform server software, APR is probably a good choice. NSPR fits in this area as well.

The biggest consideration when choosing one of these libraries is how well you can pick it up and understand it. If you look at the API and it doesn't make any sense to you, it won't be pleasant to integrate with it. Documentation varies in quantity and quality. Also, how well supported is the library by the development community?. (Actually not much of an issue for APR,NSPR and wxWidgets as they are all very actively maintained and used).

On another note, it certainly would be nice to get more of a standardized set of cross platform libraries on the scale of the Java API. There's no reason why this can't be done. Most of the pieces are already out there. It's too bad someone hasn't yet taken the effort to integrate all of this stuff into a super library for GUI, networking, io, threads, email, video, blah blah blah...

Mozilla does not release their products under GPL. They have their own license, the Mozilla Public License (MPL).

XP Pro does still BSOD. I did it this past week when trying to access some profiling performance counters that apparently don't exist on the processor I was using.

Oh, I'm typing this from home on my 12" Powerbook that I just got. My favorite downloads have been Camino, a Mozilla-based browser designed to behave like an OS X app better than Firefox; and Remote Desktop Client, the free client provided by Microsoft for connecting to machines that have remote access turned on (which is supported but not enabled by default in XP).

Enjoy!
-Robert

See the Calendar/Sunbird FAQ on local calendars.

The Sunbird Project is a redesign of the Mozilla Calendar component. Our goal is to produce a cross platform standalone calendar application based on Mozilla's XUL user interface language. At the moment the "Sunbird" name is a project name. It is not official and may change in the future.

Mozilla - Firefox has a new webpage. It has Firefox - Rediscover the webpage. I like the tab's on top of the webpage. I also like where they put the download Firefox at the top next to the Firefox on a CD links are. It has a nice display for the Firefox T-Shirt on the right side. http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ Firefox - Rediscover the web! On the Mozilla webpage it has a link to Firefox website. Then it has a download for Mozllia browser. Near the bottom it has Thunderbird 0.7.3, Mozilla 1.7.2 and In the Store links. Then the very bottom it is Announcements, Mozilla Weblogs and mozillaZine News. Checkout the http://planet.mozilla.org/ Planet Mozilla It has a Mozilla Tree Schedule and the Firefox Tree Schedule on the sidebar. That is so awsome to see that. So you will know when Mozilla and Firefox will comes out with there new verson's http://www.mozilla.org/ Mozilla - Home of the Firefox web browser, Thunderbird and the Mozilla Suite

Mozilla - Firefox has a new webpage. It has Firefox - Rediscover the webpage. I like the tab's on top of the webpage. I also like where they put the download Firefox at the top next to the Firefox on a CD links are. It has a nice display for the Firefox T-Shirt on the right side. http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ Firefox - Rediscover the web! On the Mozilla webpage it has a link to Firefox website. Then it has a download for Mozllia browser. Near the bottom it has Thunderbird 0.7.3, Mozilla 1.7.2 and In the Store links. Then the very bottom it is Announcements, Mozilla Weblogs and mozillaZine News. Checkout the http://planet.mozilla.org/ Planet Mozilla It has a Mozilla Tree Schedule and the Firefox Tree Schedule on the sidebar. That is so awsome to see that. So you will know when Mozilla and Firefox will comes out with there new verson's http://www.mozilla.org/ Mozilla - Home of the Firefox web browser, Thunderbird and the Mozilla Suite

Mozilla - Firefox has a new webpage. It has Firefox - Rediscover the webpage. I like the tab's on top of the webpage. I also like where they put the download Firefox at the top next to the Firefox on a CD links are. It has a nice display for the Firefox T-Shirt on the right side. http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ Firefox - Rediscover the web! On the Mozilla webpage it has a link to Firefox website. Then it has a download for Mozllia browser. Near the bottom it has Thunderbird 0.7.3, Mozilla 1.7.2 and In the Store links. Then the very bottom it is Announcements, Mozilla Weblogs and mozillaZine News. Checkout the http://planet.mozilla.org/ Planet Mozilla It has a Mozilla Tree Schedule and the Firefox Tree Schedule on the sidebar. That is so awsome to see that. So you will know when Mozilla and Firefox will comes out with there new verson's http://www.mozilla.org/ Mozilla - Home of the Firefox web browser, Thunderbird and the Mozilla Suite

• Mac Rumors - Good rumors website
• Mac Slash - Slashdot like mac news site
• Mac News Bytes - Good quick links to mac related articles
• Version Tracker - Software update website. Kind of like download.com for mac.
• Mac Update - Similar to versiontracker.com
• Mac OS X Hints - Good tips site for beginners and experienced people alike.
• Think Secret - Another good rumors site. Very accurate, most of the time.
• Emulation.net - Links to game emulation for mac

• Adium - Multi-protocol IM client
• Byte Controller - Good itunes hotkey/menu pager applet
• Camino - Nice mac based gecko browser.
• Colloquy - Webkit based IRC client. not too newbish.
• Cyberduck - SFTP/FTP client for os x
• Desktop Manager - Multi desktop app for os x
• Apple X11 Server - Apple's integrated X11 server. you'd want this for the next two items
• Fink - UNIX software for your mac
• Gimp.app - decent free photo editor
• Handbrake - DVD to mpeg4 ripper
• iTerm - Multi tabbed terminal
• Logorrhea - iChat log viewer/searcher/indexer
• Meteorologist - Weather applet for the menu bar
• Menu Meters - Menu applet for cpu usage, net usage, and more.
• Mplayer OS X - This app will play just about any media format in existance
• Poisoned - GiFT (Kazaa) and mldonkey based P2P mac client.
• Quicksilver - Very cool file/application/url/itunes/etc/etc/etc indexing program. It's like spotlight, only here TODAY and free!
• VLC - Another good video playing app. Nice to have a backup sometimes if mplayer doesn't play a file (which is very very rare).

I'd say that if you're somewhat familiar with Linux/BSD you'll be very comfortable in OS X. Just start in the Terminal and work your way out. If you want your traditional UNIXy tools, install the Fink project (which often leaves much to be desired, especially when installing fink itself, but it'll get the job done)

For me, other essentials include Adium (a multi-protocol instant messenger), Firefox (sorry Safari) USB Overdrive (I find USB mice to move much too slowly even at max system settings), and Meteorologist (little weather-sensing menubar app).

macosxhints also has a good number of tips and tricks that you might want to through.

Other than that, I can't think of any real problems I had migrating over. It takes a few days to get used to, but it really is fairly intuitive. Try to experiment a bit, particularly with your normal 'window' habits. You may find you like to do things a different way. I used to run everything maximized, now I don't ever run something maximized anymore, despite having a smaller screen. I couldn't tell you why, it just feels more comfortable to do things this way for me. If you have any question, just remember there's a 'help' command in every application, the help docs are usually very nice.

If you saw a link like this:

x is a FREE product. Free to own and use forever.

Would you think it was a link to download the product? I wouldn't. I'd think it was a link about how the product was free. Then I'd look elsewhere for a place to download it.

"Free Download" may not express the GPL as religiously as some would like, but it clearly expresses that the link points to where to DOWNLOAD the program for FREE.

I agree, hurray for good old moz.org! Now just one question, why are they insisting in using that red godzila head as a logo? It's so 70's, and it makes me remember of something like "the attack of the giant radioactive ants", and not a serious organization. Why don't they start using this cool aqua-like logo?

Try w3m instead.

It's incredible; it was to only browser that was actually usable on my Sharp Zaurus (unlike some pieces of bloatware that eat up 13MB for blank page.

No, the problem is genuine (although most don't experience it, and those that do only intermittently). I can tell you from first hand experience it has been in Firefox 0.8, 0.9, 0.9.x (all of them), but not in Phoenix 0.5, Firebird 0.6, 0.6.1, or 0.7.

Interestingly, the bugzilla bug is marked as resolved, so this give hope that it is fixed in 1.0PR. Anybody care to confirm or deny?

you can now find a roadmapt to Thunderbird their stand alone e-mail client. I guess this isn't off topic since the story is about the website update and not specifically Firefox.

for the mozilla suit, there is a link to "Other Systems & Languages" on the mozilla suit page. where you can find the last builds,

for the mozilla suit, there is a link to "Other Systems & Languages" on the mozilla suit page. where you can find the last builds,

The Firefox themes page ( http://update.mozilla.org/themes/ is a complete mess in Konqueror ( at least in 3.2 )

Does anyone else see that ?

Feel free to recommend it to your mother (Bug 237727 - Fixed - "Installer should delete certain files if we install over an existing firefox installation"). You'll have to copy-n-paste the URL as Bugzilla declines referers from Slashdot.

The proper way now is via update.mozilla.org.

Firefox will be one of the most critical delivery vehicles for Gecko technology in the 2004 and beyond. In order to get the best return on the years of effort that has gone into creating the platform upon which our software is built, exacting standards of quality and performance must be met. Our target for our 1.0 release is "best of breed" browser product on Windows, Linux, and MacOS X and before we can make that claim, a number of things need to be done. These tasks will be broken into the milestones that remain between now and 1.0.

# Focus development efforts on the new standalone applications: the browser currently code-named Firefox, the Mozilla Thunderbird mail/news application, and standalone composer and other apps based on the the new XUL toolkit used by Firefox and Thunderbird. We aim to make Firefox and Thunderbird our premier products.

# Updated: Maintain the SeaMonkey application suite, currently built by default, for enterprises and other organizations with large existing Mozilla deployments. SeaMonkey remains an important product for many customers.

Does that mean that Mozilla will be superseded at some point by Firefox??

Yes, this has been the plan for sometime. See the Roadmap in particular point (1.) under "a new roadmap" and also Rationale

Does that mean that Mozilla will be superseded at some point by Firefox??

Yes, this has been the plan for sometime. See the Roadmap in particular point (1.) under "a new roadmap" and also Rationale

Not on the homepage, but it's not really hidden either.

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040901 Firefox/1.0 PR (NOT FINAL) as of 09/01/2004... Broke some extensions BTW!

OK, maybe this is not new and was available on the old site, but apparently you can edit some pages, like Products and Roadmap (check the "Edit this page" link all the way down).

Was this previously available, or have I been living under a massive kryptonite rock for the past 2 years or so?

OK, maybe this is not new and was available on the old site, but apparently you can edit some pages, like Products and Roadmap (check the "Edit this page" link all the way down).

Was this previously available, or have I been living under a massive kryptonite rock for the past 2 years or so?

Soon as that is fixed I'll recommend it to my mother.

Does anyone really care about shareware XChat for Windows? Surely the majority of Windows IRCers are using mIRC anyway, and it's not like XChat was the ONLY free (as in zero-cost) Windows IRC client out there anyway - check out leafChat and Visual IRC for a couple of examples. Or if you absolutely MUST have an Open Source IRC client, there's always ChatZilla.

That's released under the Mozilla Public License, plus the GPL and LGPL, just like Mozilla itself.

One good reason for going with full-blown Mozilla vs. Firefox. Although from what I see here on mozilla.org it can be loaded in as a plugin to Firefox. I've just never done it...I just go with the Big Moz.

The only other nice IRC client in windows that I can think of is Mirc

he didn't say that FireFox was his primary browser, he just said that he had to patch it because of a vulnerability.

I would hope that as a program manager he would have a copy of each of the competing browsers on his system, so that he can steal... ah, borrow, ideas from them.

What made this quote so striking isn't that he uses a competitor's product (he *should* be using their product). The point is that he *must* use a competing product because IE isn't secure in this case. To underline the matter both browsers were exposed to this vulnerability but Mozilla/Firefox had a patch out the same day the vuln was reported to them. We're all still waiting for a patch from MS closing in on two months later to fix this security hole. Surely, that is at least a little embarrasing considering all the noise out of Redmond lately about security being their top priority.

I do give Toulouse big points for mentioning that he had to use Firefox in this case. Honesty like that is refreshing! The software industry could do with a bit more candor like this.

...vouchers for free copies of competing FOSS products?

Done right, that could be an excellent publicity gimmick.

...vouchers for free copies of competing FOSS products?

Done right, that could be an excellent publicity gimmick.

MNG is being discontinued, as are a lot of features including the Javascript Console. "Bloat", they calls it.

Not to worry, though. Nearly everything that is taken out of the Firefox core can be reimplemented as an extension. I know I've been loving my Mozilla Calendar, and Web Developer extensions. There's no reason that the Javascript Console can't just become a plugin.

I've been trying to imagine why google would do such an un-google thing. Perhaps they're worried about coders going to next level, and coding up entire gmail readers--or incorporating gmail account readers into something like Thunderbird. Adding that word-identification script filter to the login process would certainly prevent something like that--but also has the side effect of blowing up the seemingly innocuous gmail email notifier.

Which leads me to wonder how google's own system tray email notification program can still work. Obviously it's still possible, in theory, to do this same thing in spite of the word-identification script filter. Perhaps google will publish an API that 3rd party developers can use solely for the use of gmail notification abilities in their own programs.

I can't believe (thought it's definitely possible) that their goal would be to blow up only the 3rd party email notification programs. It seems like 3rd party notification programs would serve to only promote the use of gmail. And, as far as I know, they gain no ad revenue directly from their gmail notification system tray icon.

They actually publish an API for doing (limited) google searches in 3rd party programs, which seems like a more overt way to avoid ads and avoid google's revenue source. Maybe that'll be history soon, who knows? I hope this isn't an indication of their new corporate policy and philosophy.

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Examples bug comment

It was checked into the trunk codebase after Firefox had branched, so it won't show up in Firefox until the 1.1 builds.

> Program skins with "browser tags" and "embedded xml"?

Believe it or not, Mozilla uses the same technique. Not all of us believe application design reached its pinnacle with ed, you know.

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According to them, any program (including ActiveX controls) can access and edit the Windows Management Instrumentation database, and therefore spoof the security status of an insecure box to report that it is properly secured.

1. Patch your machine. Pleast, please, run Windows Update, Up2date, apt-get, yum, MacOSX Software Update, ppro, or whatever the automated tool is on your system.
2. Install a decent virus scanner. Symantec Anti-virus is good on Windows and MacOSX, clamav is good on Unix.
3. Use Mozilla Firefox for day-to-day web surfind. See http://www.mozilla.org
4. If you're on Windows XP, install sp2 and enable the firewall.

It's for managing your email, you just need the correct extension, download them here...

Firefox should be the "first" browser to full support this..
They are going nuts on it ..
see the Technology Preview

Vote for bug 231062

Provide Firefox MSI package
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=231062