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He's already lost his wife and daughter at least, that's a start. What a pathetic piece of shit.

He only lost his daughter because he stopped giving her money and took away her Mercedes. Seems she was pretty happy with the arrangement for the past 7 years since she didn't upload the video earlier (video's from 2004). He's not even up for re-election for 3 more years.

"...she warned her father if he reduced her financial support and took away her Mercedes, which he had provided, he would "live to regret it.""

What a spoiled brat. Isn't this blackmail or extortion? Give me money or else? It's already been ruled that it wasn't a crime, and even if it was she didn't go to the police, she uploaded it to the internet for all to see. I think she should be brought up on charges.

A CBS producer threaten to expose that David Letterman was sleeping with staff if he didn't pay $2 million. Police found out and the producer was arrested and got 6 months in jail.

How is this different? "Give me a Mercedes and money or I release the (perfectly legal) spanking video to Youtube!"

I'm surprised at how infrequently France makes the cut in lists of major arms-supplying nuisances. The US has the largest share of the arms export market in absolute terms, but as a percentage of GDP the French surpass the Americans by far, and they have a great list of past clients, like the Hutus of Rwanda (1) and Gaddafi (2).

(1) French arms, war and genocide in Rwanda: http://www.springerlink.com/content/j5571355l6m6rr48/ ; see also http://www.pulitzer.org/archives/5706 and, for more recent take, http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jan/11/rwanda.insideafrica.

(2) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22189006/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/gadhafi-visits-france-arms-nuclear-deals/, from that trip where he set up his tent on the Champs-Élysées. Great quote:

Human Rights Minister Rama Yade expressed disgust with the symbolism of the chosen date of International Human Rights Day. 'It would be indecent, in any case, that this visit be summed up with the signing of contracts,' she said in an interview published Monday in the daily Le Parisien.

Not only are they still in business, but they still have 3.5 million dialup customers! Apparently, the 1% still uses AOL dialup. For once, I feel fortunate to count myself among the 99%.

The shuttle? The US space shuttle? Which couldn't be launched in late December because the computer couldn't cope with year end roll over? Because the programmers didn't think the shuttle would ever be in orbit over the New Year? Seriously? A problem that existed since Mercury, was repeated on the shuttle and wasn't fixed until 2007? That's your standard of excellence?

El Reg

MSNBC "The shuttle computers were never envisioned to fly through a year-end changeover"

Wikipedia "Historically, the Shuttle was not launched if its flight would run from December to January (a year-end rollover or YERO). Its flight software, designed in the 1970s, was not designed for this, and would require the orbiter's computers be reset through a change of year, which could cause a glitch while in orbit. In 2007, NASA engineers devised a solution so Shuttle flights could cross the year-end boundary"

Is anyone else disappointed that it is the BBC that has to cover this rather than an American source? I'm not saying that they aren't great reporters, just that it is disappointing that there is so little interest in America.

MSNBC, Forbes, and Wired have it and, er, that's it. On the one hand it is disappointing to see such a lack of interest, however on the other hand I fear that more mainstream sources would pay more attention to the cost while conveniently overlooking the benefits or feasibility, so maybe the less they say about it the better. This is the kind of thing that congressional Republicans get up in arms about because it sounds nice and vague, something pie-in-the-sky that they can spin as "more government waste" rather than an invaluable contribution to human development.

Probably, but not me. The Tsunami didn't spew radioactives into the atmosphere which were picked up by the jet stream and distributed around the world, including the hot spent fuel that was stored right there.

If only the Japanese had a comprehensive storage plan like the USA, we'd all be better off.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42219616/ns/business-us_business/t/us-storage-sites-overfilled-spent-nuclear-fuel/

Many of the articles I've read seem to claim that Lutetia has a molten core. I don't see how that could possibly be the case. It may have once had a molten core, but it would have solidified billions of years ago.

That's funny, because the DOE says that, "In some cases, water levels were so low that power production at some power plants had to be stopped or reduced." Oh, and there is another article on the subject here. I could probably find more info for you, but I promised myself to only spend a couple of minutes googling the topic.

Perhaps you missed the part where I said "certain areas?" Do you suppose this is some conspiracy to thwart your world views with facts?

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/26/8491410-nokias-lumia-translates-as-prostitute-in-spanish

Not really, virtually all iphone "innovations" from using only a touchscreen to the physical appearance of the device had been done and exhibited at trade shows by other companies a year before or more. Considering how much apple whine about other companies supposedly stealing their ideas, they sure do a lot of it themselves. (This trend continues with the 4S, e.g. good voice recognition is nothing new - although Siri does make the innovation of being massively insecure by default.) All apple did was bring these things together, market them well and get the usual OMG APPLE OH GOD STEVE LET ME COME INSIDE YOU HNNNG free ride in the press.

Guess what else? Congress defunded the closing of Gitmo. And while it was expected that Republicans would be their usual demogogical selves, at least it's comforting that we can still count on Congressional Democrats to be as craven as they have been since the whole GWOT bullshit started in the first place.

According to prominent Republican Presidential candidate Michele Bachmann, Arab Spring is all Obama's fault for not doing enough to back the dictators, and we need to step up our efforts to install dictators to repress the Arabs:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44726590/ns/politics-decision_2012/t/bachmann-blames-arab-spring-obamas-weakness/#.TqHalESYpyg
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20113937-503544.html

She also blames Jimmy Carter for not backing the Shah of Iran.

And Chrysler and GM. More recent analysis here.

Here you go, my anonymous friend:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17268277/ns/business-us_business/t/cisco-apple-settle-over-right-iphone-name/

"Negotiations between the companies broke down just hours before Jobs' dramatic unveiling of the product..."

Apple knew of the name, they were in negotiations with Cisco about how to handle it, an agreement was not met before Steve planned to show it, he said "Fuck it" and went ahead anyway, Cisco sued the next day, and it was all settled 6 weeks later.

You sound like you might be a Republican voter. If that's the case, then you should be completely against this, and in fact you should support brutal dictators like Gaddafi. As you can see here and here, the right-wing hero Michele Bachmann has condemned Arab Spring, and has condemned Obama, saying his policies led to these uprisings, and that these uprisings are wrong and that we should be supporting brutal dictators in the middle east because this is somehow good for Israel.

If you're a Republican and you aren't in favor of brutal dictators, then you are extremely confused.
 

I'd rather pay up and be assured I'm getting the correct medicine from a well regulated facility.

LOL.... Naivety is so cute.

GlaxoSmithKline has agreed to pay $750 million to resolve Justice Department allegations that the company sold adulterated and improperly made drugs.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39852323/ns/health-health_care/t/drug-maker-pay-million-defective-meds/#.TqBDwt6Ao8k

"This has 'Pfizer' written all over it," Gupta remarked, looking at some of the counterfeit drugs.
"And it's even got the newer Pfizer emblem with the little slant on it and stuff. I mean from the packaging, you'd never know," Clark said.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/10/60minutes/main20040693.shtml

Judging from this article, it would seem that the folks at msnbc.com didn't get the memo from good ol' Steve.

Because it's been public knowledge since 2007? YW HTH.

The US navy explored the Northwest Passage around fifty years ago. It didn't stay open for long. The British explored it in the 1850s. The oceans have several atmospheric oscillations with multi-decade periods, these result in alternating warming/cooling cycles. We're in the top of a warming cycle, but the phase has already shifted. This year the ice minimum was two weeks earlier than back in 2007, the arctic ice cap will start rebounding within a few years, and these passages will close up again.

And fifty years or so from now, they'll open up again. For a few years.

Sound travels extremely well and fast in water, and is close to inescapable to ocean life. The noise pollution produced by boats is having adverse effects on at least whales and dolphins: http://news.discovery.com/animals/whales-scream-noise-pollution.html http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7003587/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/noise-pollution-disrupts-whale-communication/

I'm sure it'll be blamed on climate change within a week. Oh wait, that causes shrinking animals... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44772989/ns/technology_and_science-science/

Have a few numbers:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/25/christian-brothers-abuse-payout [guardian.co.uk]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23521616/ns/us_news-faith/t/catholic-sex-abuse-payouts-top-million/ [msn.com]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1557479/Roman-Catholic-Church-agrees-sexual-abuse-payout.html [telegraph.co.uk]

http://life.nationalpost.com/2011/08/18/clergy-abuse-payouts-pushing-dublin-archdiocese-toward-bankruptcy/ [nationalpost.com]

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Catholic+Church+seeks+limit+abuse+payouts+Germany/3605154/story.html [montrealgazette.com]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jun/24/usa.danglaister [guardian.co.uk]

http://vivekajyoti.blogspot.com/2011/03/catholic-jesuits-in-166-million-abuse.html [blogspot.com]

http://www.vaticancrimes.us/2011/01/catholic-abuse-victims-offered-firm.html [vaticancrimes.us]

The response has been documented to have AGGRAVATED the problem, and continued over decades.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/25/christian-brothers-abuse-payout [guardian.co.uk]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23521616/ns/us_news-faith/t/catholic-sex-abuse-payouts-top-million/ [msn.com]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1557479/Roman-Catholic-Church-agrees-sexual-abuse-payout.html [telegraph.co.uk]

http://life.nationalpost.com/2011/08/18/clergy-abuse-payouts-pushing-dublin-archdiocese-toward-bankruptcy/ [nationalpost.com]

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Catholic+Church+seeks+limit+abuse+payouts+Germany/3605154/story.html [montrealgazette.com]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jun/24/usa.danglaister [guardian.co.uk]

http://vivekajyoti.blogspot.com/2011/03/catholic-jesuits-in-166-million-abuse.html [blogspot.com]

http://www.vaticancrimes.us/2011/01/catholic-abuse-victims-offered-firm.html [vaticancrimes.us]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/25/christian-brothers-abuse-payout

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23521616/ns/us_news-faith/t/catholic-sex-abuse-payouts-top-million/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1557479/Roman-Catholic-Church-agrees-sexual-abuse-payout.html

http://life.nationalpost.com/2011/08/18/clergy-abuse-payouts-pushing-dublin-archdiocese-toward-bankruptcy/

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Catholic+Church+seeks+limit+abuse+payouts+Germany/3605154/story.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jun/24/usa.danglaister

http://vivekajyoti.blogspot.com/2011/03/catholic-jesuits-in-166-million-abuse.html

http://www.vaticancrimes.us/2011/01/catholic-abuse-victims-offered-firm.html

Uh...yeah....no.

If I'm sleeping off a bender in a cardboard box in an alley, haven't taken my thorazine for a couple of days, and the DTs are coming on, do I really want to be woken up by this guy handing me a sandwich?

The article says 60 billion USD. The google search said 100 billion USD. The article is also from 2010, so the estimate more than likely would only be higher.

Happy day, eh?

Then I don't know why more hackers haven't done the fancy C&C stuff. Maybe they didn't need to yet?

Anyway it definitely isn't hard to do. Even I could do it. At work, one of our products has windows, linux/OSX/AIX/Solaris agents that communicate with a central server, but we're in the legit business so we are unlikely to need such C&C stuff. From my experience creating and fixing such agents (I didn't create the windows ones) it's much easier to do such stuff in perl than vbscript or C/C++. I'd gladly replace the windows agent with a bundled perl version if I could get it to be smaller than 1MB (it'll be at least 4MB).

Pwning linux devices/servers isn't that hard in practice. LAMP servers get pwned/defaced very often too (some say most often: http://antiphishing.com/reports/apwg_web_vulberabilities_survey_june_2011.pdf ). linux embedded routers do get pwned ( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/10/router_rooting_malware/ ). This sort of thing just doesn't become big news.

Android is more a "java" sort of environment (no perl by default), until the user "roots" it. IIRC some rooted phones end up with an "open" sshd. Some users didn't set passwords and then complained that hackers were slowing their phones down. I think the automated hacks and payload worked on the assumption the victim machine would be more powerful than a phone (and had better internet connections). Doubt that worked so well ;).

Android phones do seem to have more malware than iPhones. Example: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/03/01/the-mother-of-all-android-malware-has-arrived-stolen-apps-released-to-the-market-that-root-your-phone-steal-your-data-and-open-backdoor/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41867328/ns/technology_and_science-security/t/malware-infects-more-android-apps/
http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/mobile/231300257

This new malware might be a sign that the hackers are starting to need to do more fancy stuff, or someone got bored and decided to do the fancy stuff :).

It's still an extremely remote possibility. I don't know what the accident rates are for airlines outside the US, but in the US they had a fatality approximately every 5 billion miles travelled. And that includes 9/11 and several other crashes in which there were no survivors.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26743609/#.TotgeEDSiaQ

In other words, it's marginally more likely that you'll pull through during one of the less severe crashes, but it's unlikely that you're going to get anything out of the training.

"Wake me up when there is 25%+ unemployment and breadlines."

You are a head in the sand idiot, no wait. that is a insult to idiots, you are simply a dip-shit.

Unemployment figure is ONLY those currently receiving unemployment insurance. everyone else is not counted, so if you ran out your unemployment you are no longer counted.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/learn-how-to-invest/The-real-unemployment-rate.aspx
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/07/16/what-is-the-real-unemployment-rate/
http://www.qualityinfo.org/olmisj/ArticleReader?itemid=00000486

I can post about 800 more links to the real numbers, but I assume you can use google instead of only getting your news from Fox News.

As for bread lines.... They exist you idiot, maybe if you were not running around in your Saab with blinders on you would see them. Millions use Food trucks and food aid every week to get food for their families. Most run out of food before they run out of people standing in line. They do this at low income areas not next to your Starbucks where you get your half Decaf latte every morning. It's also called "food stamps" but you seem to be far too uneducated to know what that is. No it's not used for mailing food. Food stamp use is at record high levels, also many families in states that do not have food stamps use Food aid trucks.

http://www.loveinctricities.org/gleanersfoodtruckinformation

Oh and fucking asshole republicans that hate the poor are trying like hell to cut it....

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/23/politics/main20065537.shtml

Come on back when you get some real education and experience as to what is happening in your country and your city. next time let's talk about how the cost of living has risen by 15-20% for everyone over the past 4 years but the feds will not talk about.... Bread went from $0.99 a loaf to $1.25 a loaf, Milk up almost 55%, Meat up 35%, etc... Or are you claiming that is not happening either?

1 - You misunderstand the term "Security Theater".

2 - I claimed exaggeration, rather than entrapment. Entrapment is ultimately a call for the courts, but it is a possibility. Like it or not, there is a good chance this guy was just a wind-bag (as opposed to a Terrorist) until the FBI got involved. There is growing body evidence to back up my position

My reasons for moving to chrome:

1. Speed. Every time I move between firefox and chrome, I love how fast chrome is. I'll admit to not trying FF 7 yet, though.
2. Interface. I happen to like the minimalism of chrome. FF has tried to do the same thing, but to me it comes off as the sad afterthought (kind of like tabs in IE...)
3. Performance. FF has crashed on me way too much for me to be happy with it. Even when it doesn't crash, it eats up memory and leaves the rest of my system dying (I tend to leave my browser open almost all the time).

Yes, Firefox has more features than Chrome. I wish that Chrome let addons have more power so that adblock plus actually worked, but I can live without that.

Also, when you're comparing feature sets, don't forget to make minimalism a feature. After all, why would people choose this over this?

Well, I don't think these guys and gals are a bunch of 'dirty twenty-somethings'.

http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/27/7995471-pilots-from-continental-and-united-airlines-demonstrate-on-wall-street

Only about 800 pilots, to be sure. But I don't think the focus was that 'rich people are rich' - more like, 'our highly paid executives are mismanaging our company, and we are stuck with the results.'

Regardless of whether you agree with the message, perhaps you will agree that the major media tends to ignore peaceful, organized and coherent messages in favor of 'bad boy' protestors & violence.

Hey chucklehead, try googling "off the grid" sometime.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18744225/ns/us_news-environment/t/off-grid-community-runs-solar-wind/

Define reliable?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44656667#.ToIs9s2OcRp

Here's what made the front page of msnbc:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44656667#.ToIqis2OcRo

Google wouldn't provide 'Break Up' Insurance' and Groupon was concerned about antitrust issues.

Groupon turned the deal down because Google would not guarantee a "break-up" fee in the event that the deal fell through based on antitrust concerns.

I will sleep better tonight in southern California because my electricity and cell phone feel good when their together?

Or maybe someone at DHS has funny way of doing their job; but how American citizens were helped after Katrina is something I still clinch my remaining teeth about.

No need to exercise - there's a pill for that... or will be.

Kidding aside, I have a friend with a laptop stand on top of her treadmill so she can exercise and play WoW at the same time (actually, I believe she and her hubby quit WoW recently, but my point is she combines exercise with gaming). I usually stationary bike while watching TV, but the only problem is I don't watch much TV. The last show I found worth watching was Game of Thrones. I guess my despising reality TV doesn't help (I live in reality - I want escapism).

Maine has already been giving every junior-high student in the state a laptop for the last 10 years. From a relative who works in a school district there, I understand that there's a shipment in & out every morning of broken laptops and replacements.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25782209/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/t/maine-laptop-every-middle-schooler/

That's their cash flow, you halfwit. This is their income statement: http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/results/statemnt.aspx?symbol=US%3AGM&stmtView=Qtr

They paid out a huge chunk of cash as dividends, because they're doing so well.

Learn to read financial statements then maybe next time you won't be caught by surprise. See all that red ink at the bottom? That's not good no matter how pretty you want a balance sheet to look.

This is the 3rd story I've heard about this kind of thing in the last 3 weeks. The first story was here, which is a very interesting way to do this kind of thing. The next story I heard was here which sounds very similar (but different), and now this. Will cancer be eradicated within 10 years? No one knows for sure, but things are very promising. Maybe some of this research will save my life, maybe it will save you life (and I don't have cancer, and you may not have cancer now either, but 10 years older is 10 years older).

Keep sticking your head in the sand.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/01/08/5793248-after-rep-giffords-shot-in-arizona-palins-take-back-the-20-goes-down

You have to look at the big picture and the political rhetoric being generated. I know you don't want to believe this can happen here. But we haven't seen the last of it by far. It's only warming up.

First, Rachel Maddow is NOT a reliable source. Would you believe a source from Rush Limbaugh?

Next, they took the site down because they were getting flack from liberal commentators like Rachel Maddow and idiots like you were buying into it. People were trying to blame Palin for this early on, just like the Austin TX IRS bomber, but when the facts came out, they found that both assailants were not "right-wingers". (Here is an article trying to link Joe Stack to the TEA Party. Again, Stack quoted the Communist Manifesto in his online post. Hardly the sign of a TEA Partier.)

I know you really, REALLY REALLY want this to be Sara Palin's or some other right winger's fault, but the fact is, it wasn't. The fact that you can make yourself believe it when it's been proven to you that it is not true just shows how delusional you, and people like you are. You want to believe something so bad, you actually reject truth and reason to support what you want to believe.

Here, don't take my word for it. Check the Wiki site for Jared Lee Loughner :

In the initial aftermath of the 2011 Tucson shooting, many speculated that Loughner's political views had been fueled by extremist rhetoric.[citation needed] Records show that Loughner was registered as an independent voter and voted in 2006 and 2008, but not in 2010.[21][22] A YouTube channel under an account called "Classitup10" was linked to Loughner.[23][24] Loughner had also posted a video on YouTube in which he described his school, Pima Community College, as "one of the biggest scams in America". This video led to Loughner being suspended from the school.[25] One classmate stated that Loughner had laughed at a young woman and likened her to a terrorist after she read a poem about getting an abortion.[26][27] [26][28] An old friend, Bryce Tierney, discussed several of Loughner's views. According to him, Loughner had exhibited a longstanding dislike for Gabrielle Giffords, a Blue Dog Democrat, and he repeatedly derided her as a "fake". This grudge intensified when he attended her August 25, 2007, event and she did not, in his view, sufficiently answer his question: "What is government if words have no meaning?"[20] Loughner kept Giffords' form letter, which thanked him for attending the 2007 event. An envelope in the same box as the letter was scrawled with phrases like "die bitch" and "assassination plans have been made."[29] Loughner was known to believe, and to say, that women should not hold positions of power.[30][31] Loughner's best friend, Zach Osler, disputed speculation by media commentators that Loughner's actions were fueled by partisan politics and rhetoric, insisting, "He did not watch TV, he disliked the news, he didn't listen to political radio, he didn't take sides, he wasn't on the Left, he wasn't on the Right," and instead conspiracy theories had a profound effect on him.[10] Another friend, Zane Gutierrez, later told the New York Times that Loughner's anger would also "well up at the sight of President George W. Bush or in discussing what he considered to be the nefarious designs of government."[31]

By the way, you satisfy the first [CITATION NEEDED].

Keep sticking your head in the sand.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/01/08/5793248-after-rep-giffords-shot-in-arizona-palins-take-back-the-20-goes-down

You have to look at the big picture and the political rhetoric being generated. I know you don't want to believe this can happen here. But we haven't seen the last of it by far. It's only warming up.

Speed limits actually hinder driving safety more often than they help.

Citation, please.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Speed_limit#Opposition

http://www.motorists.org/press/montana-no-speed-limit-safety-paradox

http://money.msn.com/auto-insurance/town-slams-brakes-on-traffic-tickets-carinsurance.aspx?page=2

One person protesting there was interviewed and stated that news media would not care unless fuss would be created.

Right, because they tried peacefully protesting first, and that didn't work.</sarcasm>

Pretty much.

LONDON -- As political and social protests grip the Middle East, are growing in Europe and a riot exploded in north London this weekend, here's a sad truth, expressed by a Londoner when asked by a television reporter: Is rioting the correct way to express your discontent?

"Yes," said the young man. "You wouldn't be talking to me now if we didn't riot, would you?"

The TV reporter from Britain's ITV had no response. So the young man pressed his advantage. "Two months ago we marched to Scotland Yard, more than 2,000 of us, all blacks, and it was peaceful and calm and you know what? Not a word in the press. Last night a bit of rioting and looting and look around you."
Source: http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/08/07/7292281-the-sad-truth-behind-london-riot

Pope Benedict XVI said the debate raging in some countries -- particularly the United States and his native Germany -- between creationism and evolution was an "absurdity," saying that evolution can coexist with faith.

-- http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19956961/ns/world_news-europe/t/pope-creation-vs-evolution-clash-absurdity/ (article from 4 years ago)

But what market would this be? Not a US or European one since that activity would be insider trading and subject to considerable penalty from the SEC.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32910725/ns/business-us_business/t/sec-proposes-banning-flash-trading/#.TlLZoM2yDVk

"Meanwhile, flash orders have become a hot-button issue in recent weeks amid questions about transparency and fairness on Wall Street. A flash order refers to certain members of exchanges â" often large institutions â" buying and selling information about ongoing stock trades milliseconds before that information is made public. Some big banks and financial companies, using high-speed computer programs, can get a quick, sneak peek at how others investors are trading, giving them a fleeting glimpse into the direction of the market."

Wall Street? That's in the US right? Must be or the SEC wouldn't be involved. /sarcasm

What a load of bollox.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/defence/8585437/Airbus-pulls-Grizzly-out-of-Paris-Air-Show.html
http://event.airbus.com/airshows/bourget2011/news/news-detail/article/airbus-with-new-order-record-at-paris-air-show-2011.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43515274/ns/business-us_business/t/airbus-soars-over-boeing-saleswise-air-show/

But you are right if everyone looked at their top end products at least Airbus have one you can actually buy. 827 orders for something for which 0 have been delivered isn't worth anything, I bet over 95% of those contract are voidable purely due to the delays in achieving delivery milestones.

To go back to the original posers point the current new orders on products lines that can be delivered is a better indicator or which organisation is doing better. The future looks sweet for Airbus.