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you are probably right, it appears at least their webserver is IIS on windows

You think the fact that it hasn't been /.ed yet is impressive now? Wait until you check this out...

>nslookup 212.61.68.76 = kw68076.iae.nl

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=kw68076. iae.nl

kw68076.iae.nl was running Microsoft-IIS on Windows Server 2003 when last queried at 25-May-2004 09:01:02 GMT - refresh now
Windows Server 2003
Microsoft-IIS/6.0
25-May-2004
212.61.68.76
VIA NET.WORKS Nederland

Wow. Just, wow. I'm as surprised as anyone, but I have to give credit where credit is due.

Also, if you look on the forum, one poster (I'm guessing the admin of this box) points to: http://212.61.68.34/rebels/hl2/ (another mirror I suppose.)
Which points to kw68034.iae.nl
If you look there, it has stats on that box in a language I do not know, but there's this line: Operating System : Windows XP; en-US; rv:1.5
And given that these appear to be identical, wow. I'm really not trying to promote linux or bash Microsoft here, either. I'm very impressed/intrigued a Windows server is able to hold itself up so well, as I'm sure most /.ers are.

A while back (nearly six years ago, to be exact), I cancelled service with my local ISP. Though they deleted my email account, my FTP account was not touched. I still use it on a regular basis to host files. According to Netcraft the server is running WebSTAR/4.2, some old ancient Mac software that I've never seen elsewhere. I'm convinced my account will remain until there's a hardware failure.

There's little to no cost associated with maintaining this data. It would probably cost them more in man-hours to delete my account than it would to just leave the account in place.

Terrorism.

Seems odd that an opensource-bashing site would be hosted on FreeBSD; at least that's what Netcraft appears to report.

Netcraft - ADTI

I wonder what the webserver is? Apache maybe?

This is just another skirmish in the linux/freebsd holy war. :-)

Don't forget that ALL of the servers with the longest uptime are BSD-based.

I think the link that you meant to provide was this one. Regardless, the point that I was making wasn't that IIS is the leader right now. Ranked as the #2 webserver, it currently has a 21% marketshare compared to Apache's 67%. However, what do you suppose would happen if IIS was GPL'd? I'm willing to bet its share would catch up with Apache and very quickly at that.

According to Netcraft, www.ngworldstats.com is owned by Microsoft and is running Linux. Therefore, Microsoft is communism.

What a coincidence!

And that is precisely why open-source software will never cause the demise of closed-source code. There are too many highly-specialized things that people use software for to expect to always find a viable open-source solution.

Where open-source really shines is when you have many people who need to do the same basic thing (a critical mass, if you will). That's why Linux is success: everyone needs to have an operating system. And Linux largely came about because of the monopoly cost associated with commercial UNIX and/or Windows.

Does anyone believe that the Open Office project would have devoted all that time and effort had Microsoft made it's version of Office available for UNIX/Linux at a reasonable cost (reasonable being open to debate here)?

And does anybody else see the irony of an organization whining about the evils of open-source software from a website running on a FreeBSD server?

According to Netcraft, www.adti.net is running FreeBSD.

Why, oh why, does the Alex de Tocqueville institution hate freedom so?

It's interesting that their website runs on FreeBSD (provided by Yahoo nonetheless)

This article, brought to you by free software

for me, the answer was to move to BSD. the BSDs - openbsd, freebsd, and netbsd - are excellent, free (in both senses), totally community-driven, unencumbered with the sort of corporate bullcrap that's going on in much of the linux world, and they run all the same software that you've become accustomed to under linux.

serious unix users owe it to themselves to check these systems out; they really are superb - if you doubt it, poke around netcraft for a while and see for yourself.

cheers,

- pete g

Wonder if their webmaster's making fun of them. In addition the funny image, of course netcraft confirms baystar's running BSD. Does that mean they're dead?

Microsoft have, um, a bit of a reputation problem as it is :-) and I can't imagine it'd get any better if it became public knowledge that their security updates sometimes deleted the operating system.

Yeah, like that hasn't happened several times already.

p

According to NetCraft their webserver is running FreeBSD

Personally I never believe any company is dying until Netcraft confirms it.

Will this do? :]

Um, Mono is not a viable alternative to Microsoft .NET stack - it IS an implementation of the .NET stack that would run on non-Windows platform. Therefore the competition is NOT on the .NET stack itself but on the OS. A sort-of-viable alternative is perhaps Java or if someone invents something new and comparable.

As for .NET not being mainstream until longhorn comes out -- well it appears .NET is already on its way to obsolesence, as new longhorn technologies like Avalon, XAML, WinFS seems poise to make .NET seem like what DCOM was yesterday.

Do take a look at Miguel's interview from about a week ago.

Q. What's your take on the long-term impact of the SCO lawsuits? What changes - positive and negative - do you see it producing for Linux and the open source community?

A. I'm assuming that thanks to the BayStar callback that this lawsuit is nearly dead. Of course SCO, could sue their own financial backers and prolong this further, but it feels like we're seeing the beginning of the end.

What if Microsoft did commit someone to launch this worm (that reboots each computer) in order to force all of their user base to do an upgrade ?

Frankly, this rebooting is so anoying that no one will stand having his computer/server infected... of course with some little side effects !!

American Express also was hit as seen on Netcraft

• If i386 with a CD drive is what you've got then Knoppix is for you.

The patch was initially released and still shows April 11th as the release date. However, if you download the patch on April 28th or later you'll see they fixed bugs in it and re-posted the file with the same original date instead of creating a new entry for April 28th. I got lucky and read about this on netcraft.

This is scary shit to me since there is now no easy way to know if MS has fixed a fix. Bad form Microsoft, bad form.

From the netcraft FAQ
"Operating systems that do not provide uptime information include;

• NetBSD/OpenBSD"

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html
The sites with the longest uptime run OpenBSD
thats who uses it

> I love gentoo but still wouldn't run it on a critical server
> because of the compile demands.

I point you to this page at Netcraft
where all the servers with the longest uptimes are BSD based.
Guess what? BSD based systems use compilation to install/build
softs.

You and others fail to realise that any multi-tasking OS worth
it's salt can carry on with it's work whilst software is being built.

The advantages of using a system based on ports/portage far
outweighs any performance hit from compiling your softs.
Especially for servers where you're not building bloatware like
Gnome, KDE, Mozilla etc.

I suggest that all Linux systems will one day use
ports/portage as it's the only way not to run into dependency
problems when upgrading the system.

This information comes to you from somebody who's FreeBSD system
is a 300MHz Celeron with dial-up access and can happily browse
Slashdot whilst software is being built and can rebuild the base
system in 3 hrs.

According to netcraft's poll of nearly 50 million webservers apache is already the dominant webserver in the world. Assuming that 50% of these servers are running a unix or linux (and this is a guess only, the statistics do not extend to the actual operating system being used), non-microsoft operating systems would still be in a very viable position to dominate at least the webserver market. Time will tell i suppose.

Developers : Miguel de Icaza on Mono, Ximian/Novell, XAML
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You obviously don't own a business that supports you and your family.

I do and I run it on Linux, and SCO can whistle for their license fee. And I've pro-actively e-mailed them saying I would never buy a license. No reply to date...

Bob

Newsflash:
Having dial-up is a bottleneck.

Especially since I am writting little programs to automatically mirror pages slightly before they are slashdotted...

For those who want the link: @NETI

Unfortunately, it seems @NETI does not quite do real-time, but others, like netcraft do do realtime (although netcraft only measures one server.
Why doesn't someone just write a script to interpret netcraft results, using one of the many ip address locators?

This isn't a great recomendation given the recent news about windows update struggling to remain available.

Let's face facts, the chances are good that some buffer underrun can bring a computer to its knees remotely, but what are the odds that it hasn't been fixed and patched sometime ago.

Example: Qnx (qnx.com) of Canada which produces the qnx realtime OS actually uses it on their web servers.
Ref:
Netcraft

I don't think I would run a web server on my miggy, but it's cool!

Similar to Google A9 is running on Linux. But isn't it the first time a [major?] search engine [to be?] is running Apache?

Similar to Google A9 is running on Linux. But isn't it the first time a [major?] search engine [to be?] is running Apache?

Netcraft is your friend.

Or checking to see if it actually DOES run IIS?

Sheesh.

....then why the hell are they running Windows 2000/IIS?

Is it just me or did anyone else go to netcraft and see that MSNBC is the only major news organization running IIS 6 on Windows Server 2003. They were hacked people, they were hacked.

The City of Calgary moved their Oracle servers to Linux and saved a pile of $$$. They are looking at migrating the rest of their unix servers to linux as well. Virtually all desktops are Windows NT (migrating to XP) except for some graphic arts types who have macs. Web servers are mostly Windows/IIS and sometimes Sun/Apache, but occasionally there's a kewl oddball

[Soviet Russia,] Where Linux installs the badger in you!

Badgerbadgerbadger.com is in fact running Linux. However, Weebls-stuff.com is running FreeDeadOS.

So we have all three search terms: dead, badgers, and Linux!

[Soviet Russia,] Where Linux installs the badger in you!

Badgerbadgerbadger.com is in fact running Linux. However, Weebls-stuff.com is running FreeDeadOS.

So we have all three search terms: dead, badgers, and Linux!

And what it's hosted on?

According to Netcraft, it's IIS/6:
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=microsoft .com

Spymac.com, running on Linux:

Courtesy of Netcraft.

Seems odd that they don't run on OS X server.

And in other news, The DoD runs The site www.darpa.mil is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windows 2000 .

grandchallenge.org has timed out for Netcraft, but I assume they run the same thing.

I exactly known, what you mean about the ports system. FYI, you don't mean "the port system itself", you just have problems with installation of binary packages.

Of course, you can pkg_add http://URL, and it will automatically fetch dependent packages, but the problem is, you need to know the exact url. Package name, package version, .tgz or .tbz - that's a bit confusing. You're right. It can be done better, just like the way Debian does that. Debian simply rocks when it comes to binary packages - and I am pretty happy, that it exists, so it showed the way in this area.

I suppose I will be doing some work in this area with NetBSD packages collection (pkgsrc), but that should be easily portable to FreeBSD and OpenBSD ports. The whole idea is, that if you generate an index file for all binary packages on the site. Information would include the description, requirements, size - pretty much everything found in +* files (+DESCR, +COMMENT, +PLIST and other) - perhaps I could use Berkeley DB format for it. Then, in an user-level utility, you just need to give one URL to fetch that description file (bzipped, of course). Then, such utility could work much like Debian's apt-get and apt-cache - a frontend to pkg_add and a quick way to browse all available, but uninstalled software. We'd have a friendly utility for new users for all BSDs.

Also, as pkgsrc is portable and there are already binary packages avialable for Linux (not to mention NetBSD, of course) from the latest branch of pkgsrc -- we'd just need to add that small utility to bootstrap binary kit for pkgsrc, and you'd have then binary pkgsrc available for your box -- pretty much for all Linux distributions. These are all cool projects, and they can give you perhaps much more, than some Linux distributions (especially those ones, who "lock" user in a maze of incompatible binary packages and their dependencies ;). In fact, it can even be the basic package system on your Slack (and it is available from some time, so you don't have to create another Slackware-packaging-system). Oh, wel.

And, perhaps, if FreeBSD Ports not impress you, when compared to Gentoo, perhaps you should try then NetBSD packages collection. Maybe the number of operating systems and platforms will somehow impress you, it impress me for sure. Of course, there are bigger and smaller problems, as they always are, in any opensource product, but perhaps with more users activley contributing to the project (just by testing the packages -- that's just using some of your CPU cycles on pkgsrc, instead SETI@Home ;)

BSD? Dead? I don't think so. There's massive active development going on in all areas of each of the BSDs, there are thousands of lines of code shared among developers, lot of new ideas submited, lots of problems solved. There are a lot of companies and sites using it (among others, About.com, Yahoo!, distributed.net, Juniper, NASA)... Check uptime stats on Netcraft itself, FreeBSD rules in the top ten.

Its just perhaps BSD people are usually too busy doing their projects to comment here, so you can get a false impression ;) Or, perhaps, noone likes to answer troll comments - but you've got a point with that packaging system, so that's why I bothered ;)

Have a nice day!

Actually, it appears that he is now more of a Apple type guy... I guess that's what doing that sort of thing does to you over time...

The site www.goatse.cx is running Resin/2.1.12 on MacOSX.

Check it out for yourself...

Funny. This zealot is so damn proud of this... is this the only thing you could find where FreeBSD beats Linux? Ha ha ha. You seriously couldn't find *anything* else?

Funny. A BSD (a Network OS) beating the crap out of Linux (another Network OS) in, err, well, Networking (!) Matters little to you?

How about stability?...

The top average uptimes according to Netcraft.

Fucking loser.