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We need to get porn behind ogg and png then. It's already behind Mozilla somewhat... Pornzilla!

* climbs into asbestos suit

Were your parents retarded? Because you're special!

Perhaps you need to learn how to use that "one browser" to look for the many other browsers and mail clients available for Windows?

Shit, more than one browser? Surely you jest! I guess I'm imagining these copies of Netscape, Opera, and even Lynx?

Maybe you need to think before you go on your stupid little open source crusades next time?
The world isn't made of fairy floss and candy canes. Do you see Epson packaging third party ink cartridges with their printers, you know, just in case you don't want to give money to them?
Will Toyota ever tell you to buy some third party spare parts instead of genuine Toyota?
Apple telling you not to use AirPort on that expensive TiBook you just bought, but instead buy one of the numerous cheaper PCMCIA wireless cards?

You sir, are one of the many reasons open source can sicken me sometimes.

Hhttp://mywebpage.netscape.com/aufbau01/members.ht mlmm. Nice link, but I just couldn't bring myself to click on "Members" of the Pornzilla project." Goatse.cx flashbacks or something.

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With Mozilla's Javascript pop-up blocker and pornzilla features, everybody can have their own party in their pants on 'release' day.

Read this document to find out why the spaces appear and what you can/should do to fix it. Nobody said standards compliance wouldn't hurt.

Who does end-user support? The companies/projects/individuals who "re-brand" Mozilla, including Netscape, Beonex, etc. End-user support, whether it be for Grandma Jones or Joe Six-pack wanting questions answered about their home PC, or the IT worker in Corporate wanting to resolve issues about network installs for 5000 workstations, is by no means redundant.

Offering end-user support for Mozilla without "re-branding" is a HelpDesk's nightmare -- "What is the Build ID of the Mozilla that you downloaded? Oh, that problem with 2002050806 was fixed in 2002051009, let's see if I can help you navigate mozilla.org to get to the place you can download that build...."

Uhhh, Mozilla? Or Netscape 7? Or Beonex? Or K-Meleon?

On my windows box, I Use mozilla as my primary browser (tabs, what is new about this?).

The bad history of IE security is the only problem I have with IE, and this is the reason why I won't use it.

As much as I personally don't like using netscape, I would really like to see them succed with a little help from AOL. My motivation isn't to prevent IE winning the browser wars, but more to make web developers accept that IE isn't the only web browser. I get very annoyed by random web pages that require internet explorer.

For what it is worth, I would like MS to win the browser wars, providing web pages like these become a thing of the past, this way all the script kiddies will continue to target IE users, making my browsing more secure with my prefered web browser.

Here are some links to the java and flash plugin installers that just automatically work with mozilla (or netscape):

Java Plugin for mozilla (win32)
Flash Plugin for mozilla (win32)

Here are some links to the java and flash plugin installers that just automatically work with mozilla (or netscape):

Java Plugin for mozilla (win32)
Flash Plugin for mozilla (win32)

What added functionality does it provide over Mozilla 1.0/pr2 (build 2002051206)

What added functionality does it provide over Mozilla 1.0/pr2 (build 2002051206)

Although the main netscape site doesn't yet show this, Netscape 7 PR1 can be downloaded from netscape.com already.

And although the option for disabling popups has disappeared from Netscape's preferences, so as not to harm AOL's revenues too much, adding this line to your user.js (create the file if necessary) will get you the same functionality:
user_pref("dom.disable_open_during_load", true);

Although the main netscape site doesn't yet show this, Netscape 7 PR1 can be downloaded from netscape.com already.

And although the option for disabling popups has disappeared from Netscape's preferences, so as not to harm AOL's revenues too much, adding this line to your user.js (create the file if necessary) will get you the same functionality:
user_pref("dom.disable_open_during_load", true);

If you are looking for cheap, maintainable, stable software to replace your current Windows environment, then look into this :

Slackware Linux.
KDE.
OpenOffice (maybe StarOffice or Hancom Office or KOffice).
Mozilla (or maybe Netscape 6 or Opera).
The GIMP.
XMMS.
MPlayer.
GNUCash (or maybe Kapital).
Evolution.
NEdit.

Or if you need anything else, check out Freshmeat.

As reported on The Register, which was really a repost of an article from Compuwire, AOL has announced that in its next upgrade to their AOL client for Apple's OS X, it will use Netscape by default. (And just for those who want another link, Spider-Man is cool).

Most people (well, me) assume this means that AOL is using the Macintosh crowd as a testing base, then will make the same move on the Windows side of things by changing their PC client's default from IE to Netscape. The move won't really hurt Microsoft - it will still own 80% of the browser market, and since both Netscape and Internet Explorer are free, neither company will start having shifts of money.

But this isn't so much about money, as it is about control. AOL knows that their are two reasons Microsoft pushes Internet Explorer. Control of standards, and control of eyeballs. With every Windows computer that ships, it has Internet Explorer on it. And it's home page is MSN, Microsoft's media system.

Control the Eyeballs!

Netscape, by comparison, points to Netscape.com - which contains the collective linked knowledge to all things AOL/Time Warner. Links to news articles on CNN, Cartoon Network, and all else.

It's about the eyeballs. AOL wants you to see Time/Warner stuff, Microsoft wants those eyeballs to check out MSN. Both companies have a lot to gain by keeping your attention. AOL/Time Warner wants you to know all about their movies (like the upcoming Power Puff Girls movie, or their cable channels, or their electronic entertainment partnerships, or, just as important, keeping you signed up with AOL.

MSN has its wants, with its line of cable shows, plus all of the other Microsoft goodies, like Gamezone, Hotmail, Expedia and other services - which keep you plugged into the Microsoft system, and keeps those dollars coming in.

Control the browser, control the world

Just as important as the eyeballs is the technology that drives what they see. At last year's E3 (Electronic Entertainment Expo), AOl and Sony demonstrated using AOL on the Playstation 2 system, at the same time that Sony talked about running Linux on the Playstation 2. Now, almost a year later, Sony is getting ready to start shipping their hard drive/Ethernet/modem combo unit for $150. And AOL sees a large market place - one where there are more TV's than computers, and a $200 Playstation 2 in plenty of homes.

Odds are, Microsoft isn't going to make Internet Explorer for the Playstation system (not with their own Xbox on the market) - let alone for Linux. But since AOL has been sponsoring the creation of Mozilla, the Open Source browser Netscape is based on. Mozilla has been ported to nearly every operating system in existence - Linux, Macintosh, Solaris, and, of course, Windows. And across all operating systems, it provides the same look and feel - so now it doesn't matter what operating system you're using to surf the web/check your mail/chat with your friends on - Netscape looks the same. And you can bet it will be easy enough to develop and port to the Playstation 2 as well.

The implications could drive a shift of development. Suppose you're a web developer at this second, and you want to make sure people visiting your web page see all the whiz bang stuff. Right now, you spend most of your time making sure that Internet Explorer sees the page perfectly - then concentrate on the other browsers out there. Microsoft is happy, because to make sure IE looks the best, odds are you'll use Microsoft technology, which means you're spending Microsoft money (note: not Microsoft Money - different thing).

Netscape, being built on Mozilla, is HTML 4.0 standards compliant. That means that anything written for Netscape is certain to work with every other browser out there - including Internet Explorer (as long as Microsoft codes IE to be fully HTML compliant).

So now the web developer, in a post AOL-switching-to-Netscape time, has a new choice. Program your web site for IE, then for all the others - or make your web site HTML 4.0 standards compliant, and know that all browsers will render it correct the first time. There will still be questions about plug-ins (like those who like to use Flash enabled web sites, but by changing that over to Java, which runs on as many operating systems as Mozilla, developers can code around that hurdle. HTML 4.0 standards mean that anyone's tools can be used - Open Source, proprietary, or otherwise. Which means less money to Microsoft, and more power everyone else.

Maybe the move to Netscape won't change the world overnight, or drive subscribers to AOL. But it keeps the competition between the two companies alive.

And for most of us, competition is a good thing.

As always, I'm John "Dark Paladin" Hummel. And that's my opinion.

As reported on The Register, which was really a repost of an article from Compuwire, AOL has announced that in its next upgrade to their AOL client for Apple's OS X, it will use Netscape by default. (And just for those who want another link, Spider-Man is cool).

Most people (well, me) assume this means that AOL is using the Macintosh crowd as a testing base, then will make the same move on the Windows side of things by changing their PC client's default from IE to Netscape. The move won't really hurt Microsoft - it will still own 80% of the browser market, and since both Netscape and Internet Explorer are free, neither company will start having shifts of money.

But this isn't so much about money, as it is about control. AOL knows that their are two reasons Microsoft pushes Internet Explorer. Control of standards, and control of eyeballs. With every Windows computer that ships, it has Internet Explorer on it. And it's home page is MSN, Microsoft's media system.

Control the Eyeballs!

Netscape, by comparison, points to Netscape.com - which contains the collective linked knowledge to all things AOL/Time Warner. Links to news articles on CNN, Cartoon Network, and all else.

It's about the eyeballs. AOL wants you to see Time/Warner stuff, Microsoft wants those eyeballs to check out MSN. Both companies have a lot to gain by keeping your attention. AOL/Time Warner wants you to know all about their movies (like the upcoming Power Puff Girls movie, or their cable channels, or their electronic entertainment partnerships, or, just as important, keeping you signed up with AOL.

MSN has its wants, with its line of cable shows, plus all of the other Microsoft goodies, like Gamezone, Hotmail, Expedia and other services - which keep you plugged into the Microsoft system, and keeps those dollars coming in.

Control the browser, control the world

Just as important as the eyeballs is the technology that drives what they see. At last year's E3 (Electronic Entertainment Expo), AOl and Sony demonstrated using AOL on the Playstation 2 system, at the same time that Sony talked about running Linux on the Playstation 2. Now, almost a year later, Sony is getting ready to start shipping their hard drive/Ethernet/modem combo unit for $150. And AOL sees a large market place - one where there are more TV's than computers, and a $200 Playstation 2 in plenty of homes.

Odds are, Microsoft isn't going to make Internet Explorer for the Playstation system (not with their own Xbox on the market) - let alone for Linux. But since AOL has been sponsoring the creation of Mozilla, the Open Source browser Netscape is based on. Mozilla has been ported to nearly every operating system in existence - Linux, Macintosh, Solaris, and, of course, Windows. And across all operating systems, it provides the same look and feel - so now it doesn't matter what operating system you're using to surf the web/check your mail/chat with your friends on - Netscape looks the same. And you can bet it will be easy enough to develop and port to the Playstation 2 as well.

The implications could drive a shift of development. Suppose you're a web developer at this second, and you want to make sure people visiting your web page see all the whiz bang stuff. Right now, you spend most of your time making sure that Internet Explorer sees the page perfectly - then concentrate on the other browsers out there. Microsoft is happy, because to make sure IE looks the best, odds are you'll use Microsoft technology, which means you're spending Microsoft money (note: not Microsoft Money - different thing).

Netscape, being built on Mozilla, is HTML 4.0 standards compliant. That means that anything written for Netscape is certain to work with every other browser out there - including Internet Explorer (as long as Microsoft codes IE to be fully HTML compliant).

So now the web developer, in a post AOL-switching-to-Netscape time, has a new choice. Program your web site for IE, then for all the others - or make your web site HTML 4.0 standards compliant, and know that all browsers will render it correct the first time. There will still be questions about plug-ins (like those who like to use Flash enabled web sites, but by changing that over to Java, which runs on as many operating systems as Mozilla, developers can code around that hurdle. HTML 4.0 standards mean that anyone's tools can be used - Open Source, proprietary, or otherwise. Which means less money to Microsoft, and more power everyone else.

Maybe the move to Netscape won't change the world overnight, or drive subscribers to AOL. But it keeps the competition between the two companies alive.

And for most of us, competition is a good thing.

As always, I'm John "Dark Paladin" Hummel. And that's my opinion.

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Netscape isn't secure either. A well written web page can read and capture local files.

Micro$oft, although they write their fair share, isn't the only company that writes bad code.

Poking around a little, it looks like there's a good (but old?) FAQ from Netscape, though there some other sources of information out there.

If she has Netscape but not IE, well what am I supposed to do to help her?

the Pornzilla enhancements, coupled with the general greatness of RC1, have convinced several of my male friends to make the switch...

My poor 133 MHz Pentium with 64 Mb RAM (no sniggerring at he back, we're not that uncommon [slashdot.org]) is barely able to cope with Netscape 6.

Reuters Article

The tariff on steel went up first before the EU decided to retaliate.

I love how allies treat each other this way...

Now, I know that if you are looking at porn or whatever, IE is a very tightly integrated multimedia device.

Everyone uses IE not because it is easy to use, or easy to setup, but because it is the default in windows, and as stated above, is critical for viewing porn.

Now, I know that if you are looking at porn or whatever, IE is a very tightly integrated multimedia device.

Everyone uses IE not because it is easy to use, or easy to setup, but because it is the default in windows, and as stated above, is critical for viewing porn.

I find this sort of attitude strange - surely the easiest way of making yourself immune from these things is to not use Outlook? There are many other email clients out there - you don't NEED Outlook Express, nobody does.

I wanted to joke about the goat comment in the parent post, but no way was I posting a real link to the evil place.

As for the idea that I would perpetrate some windows/IE exploit, I am most offended.

But this works great on linux/mozilla :-)

AT&T just began a 5-1 stock reverse split. First time in its history and the first for a DOW component. That's something that soon-to-be-delisted dot-coms do. Not DOW components.

You forget that stock value is just one barometer of measuring a company's strength. AT&T's stock is among the most widely held in America, with 3.545 BILLION shares outstanding as of 01 April 2002.

According to this, AT&T employs 117,800 people, has massive properties (dialup, broadband, long distance ...) No dotgone ever had this magnitude. Plus the Gartner Group is wrong in their assessment of AT&T's future; they've been going under some restructuring in the past couple years and restructuring a company of AT&T's girth doesn't happen overnight.

Lastly, you get delisted from the NASDAQ or NYSE if your stock hovers below $1.00 for a while. AT&T currently trades at $13.75.

Have you downloaded Netscape lately? It actually works quite nicely now (i.e., it loads decently fast now). Meanwhile, Mozilla 1.0RC1 is chock-full of bugs and incompatible with Netscape on the same machine. For those of us web authors who like to ensure that our sites run well on most browsers, being able to play well with other browsers on the same box is a requisite.

I think his point is correct, but for the wrong reason. As you say, Netscape never made a lot of money from the browser. Generally regular people were free to use it, but a buisness was expected to pay for it (like about $30 - not bad compared to MS office). Netscape mainly made money from Netscape Enterprise Server, although most people were only aware that Netscape corp made a browser. I think the publicity of Netscape losing the browser wars caused many to lose faith in Netscape as a company in general. The other MAJOR loss of revenue came indirectly due to the loss of marketsare - by means of the default homepage. Most people don't change (or don't even know how) their default homepage. For netscape this meant a lot in ad revenue, etc. Many have argued that AOL mainly bought Netscape for the portal Netscape.com.

> You mean the part where it says "This product offers consumers the Internet applications they have come to depend on, including the Netscape Navigator browser"?

Nope. I mean the first sentence of the press release that clearly refers to it by using the name "Netscape 6.1 browser".

No official press release would accidentally use the wrong product name in the first sentence. It's clear in subsequent paragraphs that the browser may also be referred to by using the alias "Netscape Navigator". But that does not change the fact that the product's name was clearly and unambiguously introduced in the first sentence as "Netscape 6.1 browser".

(Official press release.)

> The browser is not called "Netscape."

Your statement is incorrect. See the official press release:

http://www.netscape.com/newsref/pr/newsrelease0808 01.html

When you start IE on Mac OS X for the first time, your homepage is set to livepage.apple.com which used to go to Excite. But now it goes to Netscape.

And there in the corner is a big ole fancy come-on to download Netscape 6.2. I don't doubt for a minute that the agreement for hosting livepage.apple.com between Netscape and Apple included showing the Netscape browser in Apple ads.

I get such a kick out of seeing IE point to a Netscape page, that I kept it as my homepage on IE (since I use Mozilla for almost all my surfing).

Or an in-browser app that automatically Google-linked everything in a page? Like M$'s proposed auto-linking, but populist. True hypertext.

Good luck! Don't count on feeling lucky d;-)

• With its monopoly market share, Microsoft has a nearly 100% safe revenue stream. It can afford to develop and then give away IE. We've seen before how well a company without monopoly power can survive with such a plan. Microsoft used its monopoly power to undercut competing browser makers, ensuring that they would never be anything more than niche players.
• By bundling IE with Windows, Microsoft makes the giving away of IE virtually mandatory. If you get Windows, you get IE. If you get a new computer, you most likely get Windows. This is, admittedly, convenient for end users who just want a good browser, but it makes it yet more difficult for third parties to compete.

The mailto:address@foo.com?Subject=bar syntax was introduced by Netscape 2.0.

Nathan

Now if they can make Mozilla cohabitate successfully with Netscape on the same box for testing purposes, that would be just swell. :)

The Mozilla browser is by far the best porn browser, even without the Pornzilla add-ons and the Increment URL bookmarklet.

Mozilla started out as an open source project in 1998. They released the code to a whole lot of hoopla, and people everywhere thought it was the greatest thing ever. Internet Explorer was starting to beat Netscape handily in terms of features and stability on the Windows platform, so this is how Netscape countered: by making sure that the open source community could have a hand at keeping the web from becoming yet another Microsoft-proprietary technology.

At first, I had no idea of the scope in the differences between Netscape 4.0 and what would become Mozilla; I thought Mozilla was going to be a smaller upgrade, maybe on the same level as the jump from Netscape Navigator 3.0 to Communicator 4.0. But instead, the project started from scratch, and here we are today, with a product that is mature in many ways (and severly lacking in others).

You can read Netscape's FAQ for some further information about it. Notice the references to Communicator 5.0, which has never been, and will never be, an existing product! Plus, Netscape is using their re-branded Mozilla build as Netscape 6, while Mozilla.Org has been naming their milestones with sub-1.0 version numbers up until now.

Why are you still surfing porn with IE? Mozilla lets you block pop-ups, ignores exit pop-ups by default, and lets you open links quickly with one hand if you have a three-button mouse or a clickable scroll wheel. It even has a command and shortcut to close all Mozilla windows for when someone knocks on your door, which annoys the hell out of people who try to use the browser for anything bug porn and hit Exit accidentally.

Be sure to check out Pornzilla, a set of Mozilla add-ons useful for porning and instructions for doing things like making stealth profiles. We're always looking for new contributors who can write add-ons or fix bugs in Mozilla that affect porning. We also need input from someone who is uses Mozilla's tabbed-browsing feature so we know which tabbed-browsing bugs are most important for Pornzilla users.

I just wrote a pair of bookmarklets that take you to the previous and next numbered image or numbered image gallery. They'll probably be included in the next version of Pornzilla, along with the zoom-images and search-links bookmarklets that are already included.

Why are you still surfing porn with IE? Mozilla lets you block pop-ups, ignores exit pop-ups by default, and lets you open links quickly with one hand if you have a three-button mouse or a clickable scroll wheel. It even has a command and shortcut to close all Mozilla windows for when someone knocks on your door, which annoys the hell out of people who try to use the browser for anything bug porn and hit Exit accidentally.

Be sure to check out Pornzilla, a set of Mozilla add-ons useful for porning and instructions for doing things like making stealth profiles. We're always looking for new contributors who can write add-ons or fix bugs in Mozilla that affect porning. We also need input from someone who is uses Mozilla's tabbed-browsing feature so we know which tabbed-browsing bugs are most important for Pornzilla users.

I just wrote a pair of bookmarklets that take you to the previous and next numbered image or numbered image gallery. They'll probably be included in the next version of Pornzilla, along with the zoom-images and search-links bookmarklets that are already included.

They are aiming this product at the general public and guess what the general public uses Internet Explorer or Netscape.

You said Netscape? Sharp blocks Netscape.

I am using the web browser whose codebase will become either Netscape 6.3 or Netscape 6.5. For practical purposes, I am using Netscape, even though it has an M instead of an N in its throbber.

My neighbor is using a web browser with the same codebase as the one that Sharp ships with its device. He is using Opera. How hypocritical of Sharp to make a web site that its own device cannot access.

Most porn sites flash the single picture up and then show only the text of the image (usually the
URL).

Works for me on most porn sites. I've used Mozilla for all of my porn browsing since about 0.9.6 but for other things only since 0.9.8 or 0.9.9. Can you give me a URL that breaks in the way you describe so I can find out what's happening? Give me the URL for an html page, not for an image, and tell me which link to click.

Jesse
Member, Pornzilla project

I've never understood why people believe they can distinguish between "3rd party" cookies (those offered by an ad service) and non-3rd party cookies.

You can't. Get over it.

You identify "3rd party" cookies as those originating from a domain other than that of the main site. However, just because they come from the same site you have in your browser location bar does NOT mean they don't come from a third-party ad agency.

DNS names DO NOT HAVE TO POINT TO SERVERS OWNED BY THE PARENT DOMAIN OWNERS. For example, when you accept that cookie on Netscape's job site because it came "from Netscape", you're actually accepting a cookie from Monster.com. Careers.netscape.com is a DNS entry in the Netscape.com domain, but it has an address of a Monster.com server.

So if we replace monster in that example with DoubleClick, then we have an easy demonstration of how DoubleClick can get around all of the "3rd party cookie blockers".

And that's not a bad thing. It's not a problem of technology or sneakiness - if you disagree then you just have a problem with your ignorant expectations.

And how has your user community accepted this?
How much was invested for training?
How have you been finding it w.r.t. scalability and concurrent use?

Just curious. Having worked for a now defunct Web-based CM product, CM acceptance is not dictated by programmers anymore ;-)

[I hate everything, I just hate Linux less.]

Outsourcing does seem to be the future. See this article at Wired about the XBox manufacturing process. Makes me want to go buy some FLEX right now!

randy

Just like cold fusion; it can't be done. If you own x86-family hardware, I recommend Microsoft Windows XP. Otherwise, buy a Mac.

Jerry?!!Is that you?

HELSINKI, March 22 (Reuters) - A young man was caught trying to sneak explosives onto a domestic flight in Finland in the first such incident recorded in the Nordic country, police said on Friday.

Security officers at an airport near Finland's eastern border with Russia found 200 grams (7 ounces) of explosives, a fuse and primers in the hand luggage of the 19-year-old suspect when he entered the security check on Thursday evening.

"You can do serious damage with that (amount of explosive). If we think in terms of an aeroplane, it would become crumbs if this amount exploded," police officer Jorma Alvila told Reuters.

The suspect, stopped at Joensuu airport as he tried to board a Finnair flight to Helsinki, denied any knowledge of the explosives in his possession.

Police declined to comment on the possible motives of the suspect, who they said was a Finnish national.

Security has been stepped up at airlines around the world since the September 11 attacks on the United States, in which suicide hijackers rammed commercial airliners into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, killing some 3,000 people.

Since September 11, Finland's national carrier Finnair has begun checking all passengers on domestic flights.

Both Finnair and Alvila said the case showed current safety measures are effective. An airline official said it was not yet known if the incident would lead to tougher security measures.