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When did the "Linux community" get so vitriolic and spiteful?

There is no vitriol in the parent's post. The term 'enemy' is only as emotionally charged as the listener wishes it to be. As it's easier to hate an 'enemy' than to understand and accept an opposing point of view, this is probably not the best choice of words in a constructive dialogue.

This isn't some ideological war that is being fought, and shame on you for trying to make it into one.

The parent is simply making an observation. Free Software is an ideology just as capitalism is an ideology. While not mutually exclusive (hence efforts being made to monetize Free Software both on the part of "Open Source" startups and established commercial vendors), these two ideologies do conflict in several areas.

Microsoft is [an] enemy?

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While an organization as large and diverse as Microsoft will never be entirely focused on activities that impede or overtly threaten the F/OSS community, it has interests that are not and may never be compatible with those of the Free Software community. For that reason, MSFT is directly and indirectly engaged in activities that hurt and threaten the F/OSS community, not out of malice or even by choice, but in simply fulfilling obligations to its shareholders. It's just business :).

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You forgot this one:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/1/24 /213349.shtml

Slashing tires to keep people from voting.

Or John Murtha:

http://news.netscape.com/story/2006/11/15/democrat ic-culture-of-corruption-john-murtha-bribe-video

Or William Jefferson:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/21/jefferson.s earch/

Or Teddy Kennedy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick

Or "Voted for the War before I voted against it" :

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/29/politics /main646435.shtml

Or Hiz Honor,Richard Daley:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_J._Daley

Or Boss Tweed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boss_Tweed

Please, politicians by default are dishonest, not just Republicans. So just remember who's dog food you are eating when shilling for one side or the other.

It's better than that. Check out the choices they give you:

http://www.netscape.com/download/ (leads to a 404 page)
  and a generic download search page at microsoft that doesn't even have Internet Explorer listed.

Figures. The copyright is 2000.

Regarding firearms: I recall a press report where some small towns instituted a curfew that required women to be armed when out after dark. Although prosecutions for going unarmed seem unlikely the incidence of rape in public places is somewhat diminished. This recent story is about a town with an ordinance proposed that requires a firearm in every home http://www.fox12news.com/Global/story.asp?S=543703 3 . Several towns require this. Here's an older story about one in Georgia with rather predictable results: http://tinyurl.com/yldlze . From that article:

After the law went into effect in 1982, crime against persons plummeted 74 percent compared to 1981, and fell another 45 percent in 1983 compared to 1982. And it has stayed impressively low.

Numerically, there are about as many firearms in America as there are Americans : http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/08/16/almos t-every-american-has-a-gun/ . I recall seeing pistols, rifles and shotguns on sale in a gas station in Flagstaff, Arizona. While product placement right next to the tequila was probably inappropriate, the sight was not shocking to the locals.

Are citizens not allowed arms in your country? Why? What could possibly be the reason for that?

Netscape does still exist, but has bloated beyond all belief and no one with a shred of decency or social conscience uses it now. It's based off Firefox code (just as Mozilla came from Netscape) but also acts as a wrapper around IE 6, thereby giving you the security holes of two browsers for the price of one. It's big, it's ugly, it's slow, and it's not coming anywhere near my computer ...

Funny, I still have a Newton modem lying around, no nearby Macintosh needed. Actually, in this clip http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/10/15/steve n-segal-saving-the-world-with-a-newton/?url=http%3 A%2F%2Fwww.tuaw.com%2F2006%2F10%2F15%2Ffound-foota ge-steven-segal-saving-the-world-with-a-newton%2F& frame=true you can see Stephen Segal save the world with a Newton. "Dialling Mile High Cafe", a classic line!

What are you babbling about? According to this article, Laptop marketshare was 12%, which was a spike from 6%. I expect it to fall back down, but we'll see.

http://www.vermontguardian.com/dailies/102006/1011 06.shtml

Some seem to think it's been official for three months now:

http://tech.netscape.com/story/2006/07/25/amd-and- ati-merger-complete/

On the other hand, Democrats actually understand the internet. As a bonus, they also want to get rid of the payroll tax.

"I remember when Windows 95 came out, with its weak, obviously-an-afterthought "web browser" (IE 3.0)", ronkronk

It wasn't an afterthought it was a renamed Spyglass browser which they subsequently 'gave away' with Windows so as they wouldn't have to pay royaltees. After failing to buyout Netscape and get an exclusive deal from NCSA they settled with Spyglass.

"It took them some time to get it right, but eventually IE took over", ronkronk

IE took over by billg strong arming the OEMs to take Netscape off the desktop. Can't you remember what the MS AOL court case was all about.

"AOL's March 12 and October 28, 1996 agreements with Microsoft also guaranteed that, for all practical purposes, Internet Explorer would be AOL's browser of choice"

"Compaq was the only one to fully commit itself to Microsoft's terms for distributing and promoting Internet Explorer to the exclusion of Navigator"

"now it's becoming more and more obvious that they're taking security every bit as seriously as they once took the Internet", ronkronk

Like as an after thought.

"within a few years, we're going to see some really damn secure stuff coming out of Microsoft", ronkronk

I've heard exactly the same kind of thing when NT came out.

"In the meantime, Firefox exploits are cropping up at a seemingly greater pace. This worries me. It looks like a repeat of 1997, when Netscape lost huge amounts of ground to IE by producing a product that wasn't as good as the competition.", ronkronk

Netcape was never inferior to IE. As this test proves. The MS stratagy at the time was to make it a jolting experience for the enduser. Why are you trolling slashdot with patently false pro-MS propaganda.

"We will bind the (Windows) shell to the Internet Explorer, so that running any other browser is a jolting experience" .

Firefox running on a more secure OS as standard user are not as serious as bugs in IE running on WinVista. You see as MS embedded the browser directly into the OS so as it couldn't be removed.

Secondly Netscape lost ground because of backroom shenagenans by billg an Co. After threatening to withold technical information, they offered to carve up the market between them or else they would cut off Netscapes oxygen supply.

`The delay in turn forced Netscape to postpone the release of its Windows 95 browser until substantially after the release of Windows 95 (and Internet Explorer) in August 1995. As a result, Netscape was excluded from most of the holiday selling season.'

"Microsoft representative J. Allard had told Barksdale that the way in which the two companies concluded the meeting would determine whether Netscape received the RNA API immediately or in three months.'"

`After Netscape refused Microsoft's offer to divide the browser market, Microsoft embarked on a predatory campaign to eliminate the browser threat'

`In subsequent meetings in the Fall of 1995, Microsoft explained to Intel that its strategy would be to kill Netscape and control Internet standards'

`in exchange for steering clear of the Windows browser segment Netscape would be made a preferred Microsoft partner'

"I'll be telling clients to go with Microsoft products, because they're more secure than F/OSS. And I don't want to see that happen.", ronkronk

I'm really an Open Source advocate except for bla, bla, bla

http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f2600/2613-1.htm
http://www.theregister.co.u

Unless the data itself has dramatically changed, I really can't see any functional difference.

http://netscape.com/viewstory/2006/08/24/programme r-admits-creating-vote-rigging-software-used-in-fl orida-election

Video link of testimony under oath.

Ah yes, the votes.. Sadly, I'm not even sure if you make a difference when it comes to voting either.

Computer programmer Clinton Eugene Curtis testifies under oath before the U.S. House Judiciary Members in Ohio

A partial transcript:

Are there computer programs that can be used to secretly fix elections?

Yes.

How do you know that to be the case?

Because in October of 2000, I wrote a prototype for Congressman Tom Feeney [R-FL]...

It would rig an election?

It would flip the vote, 51-49. Whoever you wanted it to go to and whichever race you wanted to win.

And would that program that you designed, be something that elections officials... could detect?

They'd never see it.

Don't know what to say...

For the record - a quick skate around google found this list of supported 'add-ons'....

Cars!

Umbrellas!

Underwear!

Warships!

Dildos! (SFW)

When the Zune get's its own warship extension, then i'll start believing it has a chance.

Also, Microsoft's reputation to the public at large, seems to encompass little more than "The company that make my computer crash", whereas Apple actually have a well-earned consumer-friendly image about them. Maybe this will change, but I just can't see it right now.

Firefox 2, beta 2 now natively has the option to "Always clear my private data when I close Firefox".

Personally, I'd sooner use an established open-source browser (despite it currently being in the beta stage) than something IE based.

Get FF beta 2 @ http://ftp-mozilla.netscape.com/pub/mozilla.org/fi refox/releases/2.0b2/win32/en-US/Firefox%20Setup%2 02.0%20Beta%202.exe
just in case you're interested. I'd imagine an official notice will follow shortly, but there's none currently.

N6 and IE6 and it's just... simply.. broken.

Netscape uses the terms "netsite" and "web browser" in its 1994 press releases, but not the term "website". In 95, they start using "web site".

Does Gmail support my browser? Gmail is accessible at http://mail.google.com/ wherever you have access to the Internet via a PC, Linux, or Macintosh (Mac) computer with one of the following fully supported browsers:

• IE 5.5+ (download: Windows)
• Netscape 7.1+ (download: Windows Mac Linux)
• Mozilla 1.4+ (download: Windows Mac Linux)
• Firefox 0.8+ (download: Windows Mac Linux)
• Safari 1.3+ (download: Mac)

If you access Gmail with a browser different from those listed above, you'll be automatically directed to the http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answe r=15046">basic HTML view of Gmail. Basic HTML view works with the following browsers, as well as many others:

• IE 4.0+
• Netscape 4.07+
• Opera 6.03+

Does Gmail support my browser? Gmail is accessible at http://mail.google.com/ wherever you have access to the Internet via a PC, Linux, or Macintosh (Mac) computer with one of the following fully supported browsers:

• IE 5.5+ (download: Windows)
• Netscape 7.1+ (download: Windows Mac Linux)
• Mozilla 1.4+ (download: Windows Mac Linux)
• Firefox 0.8+ (download: Windows Mac Linux)
• Safari 1.3+ (download: Mac)

If you access Gmail with a browser different from those listed above, you'll be automatically directed to the http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answe r=15046">basic HTML view of Gmail. Basic HTML view works with the following browsers, as well as many others:

• IE 4.0+
• Netscape 4.07+
• Opera 6.03+

Does Gmail support my browser? Gmail is accessible at http://mail.google.com/ wherever you have access to the Internet via a PC, Linux, or Macintosh (Mac) computer with one of the following fully supported browsers:

• IE 5.5+ (download: Windows)
• Netscape 7.1+ (download: Windows Mac Linux)
• Mozilla 1.4+ (download: Windows Mac Linux)
• Firefox 0.8+ (download: Windows Mac Linux)
• Safari 1.3+ (download: Mac)

If you access Gmail with a browser different from those listed above, you'll be automatically directed to the http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answe r=15046">basic HTML view of Gmail. Basic HTML view works with the following browsers, as well as many others:

• IE 4.0+
• Netscape 4.07+
• Opera 6.03+

The Top-10 Alternatives to "I googled it" (note the lower-case 'g'):

• 10 "I AltaVista'd it" (potential ad campaign: "Hasta la vista, Google!")
• 9 "I Yahoo!'d it" (Good luck with that lawsuit; it's been in the official motto of several states for decades!)
• 8 "I Asked it" (AKA "I just axed it", since they "axed" poor Jeeves...)
• 7 "I HotBot'd it" (She's not all that hot these days...)
• 6 "I WebCrawler'd it" (Crawl being the operative word; no speed records broken here!)
• 5 "I Accoona'd it" (Possibly illegal to admit in several states)
• 4 "I Lycos'd it" (Not to be confused with "I Pecos'd it" from the 1950's...)
• 3 "I Netscaped it" (That's netscaped not netscraped)
• 2 "I AOL'd it" (Roughly analogous to "I screwed it up")

• 1 "I Dogpile'd it" (Imagine Cartman in the "red rocket" scene...)

The history of JavaScript from its inventor:

http://wp.netscape.com/comprod/columns/techvision/ innovators_be.html

Seems pretty common for MySpace to be serving up spyware ads. Another recent case was reported here of spyware from Starware being advertised with a banner they made by sticking Osama's face on the body of an Asian model in a bikini. Given the background of the founders of MySpace it shouldn't be surprising (they came from the spyware business according to references sited in that spyware report).

Why didn't AOL use the Netscape engine for IE?

If you want a browser that does this easily, check out Netscape 8.1 at http://browser.netscape.com. You can assign trust settings and layout engines on a site-by-site basis, completely on-the-fly, and the browers remembers your settings and automatically uses them each time to visit.

One bit of feedback: the site can't be viewed if cookies are disabled. It just constantly redirects to http://www.beta.netscape.com/

`cause we like to keep it real with the open source.

Who still goes to Netscape.com? Is it the AOL readers? How are they being directed there anyways.

IMO this new http://www.beta.netscape.com/ site is complete garbage, nothing halfway intelligent there - its no better than Myspace.

Although I do like Jessica Alba!

Good opinion piece, those pics of toe nail fungus medice had me laughing...who the hell did Netscape hire for their ad sales LOL fire that bozo!!

http://www.beta.netscape.com/

It was not linked in the article

FYI - the 'new' site is http://www.beta.netscape.com/

I agree about the frame. It's huge.

And the comments are about as high quality as Digg.
The first comment, in the first story (about hooters), is:
It's all about the Wii.

I think that sums it up.

Aha! So that's why Paris, Britney, and Jessica are featured so prominently.

Seriously. From the current netscape.com front page, at least a third of the content is of the form...

* Men Have Biological Baby Clocks, Too * These Questions Can Freak a Man Out * 10 Things You Never Want Her to Say * You Want to Be Sexy? Don't Do This * See Soccer's Hottest Young Stars * Dating's Best and Worst Moments--Ever * First Kisses: The New Rules * 5 Ways to Let Her Know She's Hot # 64% of Men Have Done THIS by Age 29 # Brutal Breakup Lines: Heard These? Solutions: 5 Sex Problems That Aren't

That's not a brand. It's a cheap rehash of Cosmo.

It is, however, unsurprising, considering the demographics of AOL's customer base.

http://www.beta.netscape.com/

Bio: Ryan j Budke was born with a love for all things entertainment. He got his start as a writer for the television blog TV Squad where he fulfilled one of his lifelong dreams of being paid to watch TV. He\'s known among his group of friends as the gadget guy as he always stays on the cutting edge of technology.

I wouldn't call this a Digg killer, at all. This isn't a zero-sum situation where Digg must fail for Netscape News to succeed, or vice versa. If you're in ad sales, of it you have some personal vendetta against one company or the other, I guess you could view it that way, but from a user standpoint, what's the big deal?

Complaining about the interface is a little silly, too. Clearly, Digg is doing something right, if another site wants to use a similar design, because that makes it _easier_for_the_users_. How is that a bad thing?

Ultimately, the users will go where they're happiest, and where they feel their time is best invested. For some, that will be Digg; for others, it will be Netscape News. I suspect that, for most, it will be a combination of them both.

Disclosure: I write for CardSquad.com, which is a WIN blog.

Now listen kids, heres the idea... Just because Digg came up with a great idea, that people love, does not mean that other sites cannot use the concept. The idea of voting for what is hot and what is not has been around for a very long time and just because I turned it into a news based format does not mean that I had the idea first. So, just back right off all the Digg clones and accept the fact that people are able to use and visit more than one website on the internet at a time. I love you guys... You are my best fanboys!"

I especially like that this is the top story on their site. I wonder how long it will be before the "anchors" take it down.

TIP: Putting an ad in the middle of the comments isn't going to get more people to view it; it's going to get more people to *block* it.

http://tech.beta.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/06/15 /aol-copies-digg/?url=http://goatse.ragingfist.net /&frame=true

this is the top story right now. which is kind of fitting

MS is a diversified organization. Half of their serfs are experts at twisting digital protocols and the other half specialize in legal protocols.

MS is pure evil. If I had to bet my life on a single statement, it wouldn't be that "god exists", or that "Jennifer Anniston is prettier than Kath kinney. It would be that MS, by gently raping hundreds of millions of innocent people stands out as one of the great scourges in recorded history. By me another beer and I'll elaborate!

Every major open source project has a complete list of bugs for all versions of their product for all to see

Also, Netscape would do this as well. See http://wp.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/4.0/relnotes/wi ndows-4.0.html

There is room for honesty in business. Just think about how customer support would improve if the users were accustomed to having a list of known bugs or issues and not bother with customer support for known issues with possible workarounds.

Now, check this out: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/811113/

That is the list of bugs "fixed" by Windows XP SP2, with no list of new bugs or issues that come with SP2. Now, look at the page carefully. I did not use IE to read the page, so that may have an affect, but even the knowledgebase release is buggy.

Just to get a grip of the number of bugs that were "fixed" by SP2, there are 827 listed on that page.

1) There are 4 "Summaries" at the top of the page.
2) Of the 827 bugs that were fixed, most come in the form of a URL like http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=812203 , but some are in the form of http://support.microsoft.com/kb/812203/ . Notice that both of those links go to the same information. But how in the world can this list that I would assume is computer generated have 2 different URLs? That is a sign to me that the company has little attention to detail.
3) At the bottom of the list, the List of fixes applies to Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (I thought this was SP2, not fixes to SP2). Also it must really, apply to Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2, because they listed it in a bulleted list 3 times. Along with 2005 Tablet edition.

These kinds of issues are why I simply do not use Microsoft products. They simply cannot seem to get even the basics right.

Give me a moment, and I'm sure I'll think of one.

What I want to know is... who uses these damn sites? If portals are so important as a source of revenue, then why did Google - who's original site was stripped of the over-complicated design which marked sites like Yahoo!, MSN and excite - become a dominant market player? Could it be - shock - users don't want to see everything piled into one place and are intelligent enough to get services from different websites? eBay for auctions, BBC/CNN/whoever for news, Google for their search. I certainly never liked those kind of sites and I never heard anyone else who did - except of course, the corporations which ran them.

they are the first commercial software vendor to deliver a Linux application for the masses (acrobat reader doesn't count guys..)

Off the top of my head...

Netscape
Nero Burning ROM
and Wordperfect 2000 from Corel (no longer available).

These are all applications "for the masses" that are/were available for Linux.

the proposed .tel TLD would allow individuals and companies to keep all of their contact information in an easily accessible location.

Wow! If only someone had thought of that before!

The other Free Software options:
http://www.konqueror.org/
http://www.mozilla.org/products/mozilla1.x/
http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/
http://www.caminobrowser.org/

And the non-free ones, like Opera is...
http://www.apple.com/safari/
http://browser.netscape.com/ns8/

One word. Bullshit.
Ok, I happen to like Microsoft, and use 2K server. I see AD as a server, and wouldn't have purchased the OS and PC to go with it, if it was missing.
Ok, I bought the $300 office suite, because:
a) I like it
or
b) I've never heard of OO.o
? WHAT THE F**K!?!? IF YOU DONT F**King LIKE IT, DON'T F***King BUY IT! IF YOU DON'T F**KING LIKE IT, DONT F**KING USE IT! Ok, I'm done now. All these Anti-trust things are BS pitched by companies who are losing. Sucks for you.
You expect Microsoft to put Netscape in Windows? If you want Netscape, go download it. http://www.netscape.com/ Here. Go ahead. I've never seen Microsoft stop anybody. FF doesn't just stop working on my computer, with an ominous MS popup. I thought a monopoly stopped people. If MS sucks so much, how did they get on so many PCs? If you don't like Microsoft, use Debian. It's free
People who use Microsoft products either like them, or don't care. If you don't like it, you're not using it. And if you do use it, you're stupid. Just simple. So, you don't like something and don't want to use it, don't go out and buy it, install it, choose to install it (when you're given the choice), and then complain about it, and go so far to sue (!) about it. You know, you could choose "Uninstall", right? Or do you just want money?

Not to be a smart ass, but what do you need a browser for? Did you forget that OS X has *nix under the covers:

This works:
wget http://ftpmozilla.netscape.com/pub/mozilla.org/fir efox/releases/1.5.0.1/mac/en-US/Firefox%201.5.0.1. dmg

http://sillydog.org/narchive is one place for starters.

http://home.netscape.com/download/archive and http://home.netscape.com/download/archive.html are the older locations that used to go back to version 2.02, but most of the links no longer seem to work since the last time I checked....

http://sillydog.org/narchive is one place for starters.

http://home.netscape.com/download/archive and http://home.netscape.com/download/archive.html are the older locations that used to go back to version 2.02, but most of the links no longer seem to work since the last time I checked....