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That's why you use a HOSTS file to stop access to known advertisement vendors (e.g. doubleclick). Or you use a real intelligent browser like Opera which allows blacklist/whitelist or full control over what filetypes run and don't run and on what web site (allowing you to block flash from say cnn.com or yahoo.com)

Opera's mail client M2 has an integrated RSS feedreader. New articles appear as a new mail.

Opera has a kiosk mode built in, too.

It sounds like what google ads does anyway from within the unpaid versions of Opera.

Opera has identity spoofing, meaning I can use Opera and make the site think I'm using MSIE 6.0. But here's something odd about Oddpost, even with Opera's ident spoofing, it still doesn't work. Also, I do not plan on registering there, I was just wondering weather or not it would work with Opera's ident set to MSIE 6.0

That's just my $0.02 >:|

If you click a link in your e-mail, IT MAY ERASE YOUR ENTIRE COMPUTER!

Just by opening up a webpage, without your knowledge, IE could install several harmful programs that read your e-mail and send your credit card number, name, and all other personal information to hackers across the internet!
Because of these possibilites, Antel has issued several warnings to stay away from Internet Explorer, and instead use Mozilla, Firefox, or Opera.

Now go spread the word to all of your friends!!one1!

Prove the power of e-mail! Forward this to everyone in your address book asap!

IF YOU DO, ANTEL WILL REWARD YOU WITH A $20 ANTEL GIFT CERTIFICATE!
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Doh, hit submit instead of preview, so I'll just finish this up...

Because of these possibilites, Antel has issued several warnings to stay away from Internet Explorer, and instead use Mozilla, Firefox, or Opera.

Now go spread the word to all of your friends!!one1!

Prove the power of e-mail! Forward this to everyone in your address book asap!

IF YOU DO, ANTEL WILL REWARD YOU WITH A $20 ANTEL GIFT CERTIFICATE!


</email>

k I'm done now.

Eh? Opera's equivalent technology is described here.

Oh, and you don't have to download any of those damned Extensions. It just works perfectly just the way it is.

(I know, it's still beta, but 7.0 did it, too)

Subscribing to newsfeeds with Opera Mail is extremely simple, as most newsfeeds will automatically be subscribed when you click their links on a Web page. The feed will show up under "Newsfeeds" at the bottom of your "Mail" panel. Newsfeed items are presented and handled in the same manner as e-mail messages and Usenet news articles. This makes it easy to forward a newsfeed item by e-mail to a friend, access stored items using the search and "Quick find features", label particular items for later follow-up, and so forth.

Subscribing to newsfeeds with Opera Mail is extremely simple, as most newsfeeds will automatically be subscribed when you click their links on a Web page. The feed will show up under "Newsfeeds" at the bottom of your "Mail" panel. Newsfeed items are presented and handled in the same manner as e-mail messages and Usenet news articles. This makes it easy to forward a newsfeed item by e-mail to a friend, access stored items using the search and "Quick find features", label particular items for later follow-up, and so forth.

Liferea has a clean gnome2 interface and supports atom.. I like it.

I also use Forumzilla from Thunderbird. Opera supports rss directly in its mail client.

Amen. Firefox should also support Presentation Mode, a very cool & useful feature that only Opera supports.

Check Fast Forward and Rewind

Microsoft are guilty of more than contempt.

They begun by ripping off the original makers of IE by bundling IE free with their operating system as opposed to selling the browser which they were contracted to do.

After this they expanded the browser to support most of the HTML standard (though not all) but more importantly providing additional tags, marketing them as features the other browsers didn't have. This was a scam - it was to promote reliance on their browser and promote the rediculous "best viewed with Internet Explorer" messages. It also made it so the other browsers wouldn't render the pages properly which is a basic sabotage, though of course Microsoft were also orchestrating some alternate methods of browser sabotage, which were more direct.

Now they're just sitting pretty on their virtual monopoly on the browser market knowing they don't even need to update their products - they'll regain whatever share lost with the release of longhorn. Why spend the money?

I consider myself lucky to have firefox safely installed on my debian linux system by the way. I insist to all of my friends that they get firefox/mozilla (they trust me being the resident geek). I have no beef with Microsoft, just some of their products.

Opera.

Is there anything similar in opera?
Same old Netscap bullshit, blame Microsoft for your problems. Ohhh! its so hard to write a web browser that doesn't have this security flaw. A web browser should never implement a protocol like this. This is not a plugin if it is standard in the browser. It is bad design. Windows' unsecure nature is the ENVIRONMENT. The job of the web programmer is to develop for whatever environment they plan on running the software on. If Windows is so insecure by its nature than why not program so that the OS's underlying security is not a factor for your web browser?
Aww fuck it, just blame Microsoft.

Definitely the world's fastest and finest browser.

I have my tab list down the left hand side of my display. Keeps tabs at a fixed size, and handy for times like now when I've got 19 of them open. I do the same with the task bar (on a different monitor); works well with a sufficiently high resolution display.. and enough monitors. With large monitors I find it annoying having text extending across the entire width of the monitor anyway, so sacrificing a bit of horizontal screen space is actually quite nice.

Anyway, Opera quite happily opens windows just like IE; if you don't find tabs suit your browsing style, don't use them. If you do find some use for them, you can still create new tabs even in SDI mode, similar to Mozilla.

Opera includes a popup blocker (F12, b), and is bundled with a load of user stylesheets, one of which is designed to block banner adverts and such -- View -> Style -> Hide certain sized elements. You can of course write your own too; I did. JavaScript's abilities can be restricted using Preferences -> Multimedia -> JavaScript Options. I think you can also create custom buttons to turn any of these things on/off with a single click, and of course keyboard shortcuts to do the same, but this will involve some .ini file editing.

my.opera.com and news.opera.com may be of use if you need help :)

Ok, seriously... DON'T pull that FUCKING elitist Firefox bullshit on me. I've had enough of it over the past few weeks

That's great, since I use Opera. Hell, at least use MyIE.

I've had other apps pull the focus-stealing thing it on me too. Like Photoshop and Acrobat.

I've had Linux apps do the same thing (Gaim comes to mind). By default, that's not supposed to happen in the Win32 API--those apps are specifically pulling their apps to the top-level. It's either ignorant programming, or just purposely annoying programming.

Well, ever since Microsoft started blocking Opera web browsers from it's websites, Opera has been masquerading as IE by default, to trick Microsoft into letting Opera users browse the web unhindered. So, basically, for all we know, Opera usage could be 90% and no one would be the wiser, since Opera is pretending to be IE in all the stats.

Also, I don't think Mozilla's usage statistics are really all that important. The important figures are how many standards compliant browsers are in use, versus IE browsers in use. As far as I know, every browser on the market is more standards compliant than IE. When web standards are adhered to, it matters much less which browser you use, because the webpages should work equally well on any compliant browser.

So, we're guessing IE has about 90% of the browser market, and we know that Opera is included in those statistics. We also know that some people change Opera from it's defaults so that it identifies as Opera. Stats collected from those browsers amount to about 1% of all browsers. Mozilla is, unfortunately, relegated to the "other" category. As of about 3 or 4 months ago, Opera users who changed Opera's default settings to identify as Opera instead of as MSIE have surpassed the number of Mozilla users. But, it's also worthwhile to note that Mozilla is sometimes counted as Netscape, and vice versa. Netscape supposedly holds 5% of the market.

If all that isn't confusing enough, stats collected from different sources can have completely different browser usage statistics. I trust RE_INVIGORATE's browser statistics the most though, because it's stats are collected from ungodly numbers of completely different websites, not from just one or two similar websites.

Tom Petty, along with other artists like King Crimson and Bela Fleck & The Flecktones, have been responsible for many hours of zoned out internet surfing to some of my favorite sites. You've been there - putting on some tunes, firing up your browser, zoning out and surfing away...
Two minutes later, an hour has passed, the album has ended, and you've been around the world and back and hopefully learned something new.

That's just how I started off the other night. I popped Tom Petty's Wildflowers cd into the drive, cranked up the volume, and fired up the browser. I was immediately sucked in by the sweet acoutic guitar sounds of the title track. Click... Click... Click... You Don't Know How It Feels comes up, I hear the sentimental lyrics, and I drift back to my younger days... Click... Click... Click... Another 30 seconds rolls by and half the album's over... Cabin Down Below just nails me with the big fat Telecasters running through tube amps turned up to 11 sound... Click... Click... Click... I finally make it to Wake Up Time ... "Time to open your eyes... And rise and shine..." and...

I'm accosted by the stench of burning pl

This browser warning page thoroughly trashes MSIE, but every phrase is linked to a news article that uses the exact same verbiage in order to demonstrate that it isn't just anti MS FUD - It's the honest truth. It's designed and maintained for webmasters to deliver to the IE-using visitors to their webpages. You can read the source code for some more information about that. In case you're curious, here's a paste of the text and links that it has - This should prove quite effective with anyone you're trying to convince to stop using IE:

Your web browser - a version of Microsoft Internet Explorer - may not function properly on this website, and could have a large number of problems that allow hackers to hijack it with viruses. These viruses could be used by criminals to secretly take over your computer, download child-pornography, or to commit acts of terrorism and fraud. You may automatically update it now with Microsoft's available patches, however, there is a possibility that a necessary patch will not be available due to Microsoft's somewhat sluggish development schedule.

The US Department of Homeland Security strongly suggests that you stop using Internet Explorer immediately.

There are several standards-compliant web browsers that you may use instead of Internet Explorer. Please install one of them as a replacement.

• Opera [Download Now]
• Mozilla [Download Now]
• Netscape [Download Now]
• K-Meleon [Download Now]

If you suspect that your computer is already being used for criminal activity, it is critical that you seek help from a computer professional in your local area. You may also try one of the free web-based virus scanners that are available.

This browser warning page thoroughly trashes MSIE, but every phrase is linked to a news article that uses the exact same verbiage in order to demonstrate that it isn't just anti MS FUD - It's the honest truth. It's designed and maintained for webmasters to deliver to the IE-using visitors to their webpages. You can read the source code for some more information about that. In case you're curious, here's a paste of the text and links that it has - This should prove quite effective with anyone you're trying to convince to stop using IE:

Your web browser - a version of Microsoft Internet Explorer - may not function properly on this website, and could have a large number of problems that allow hackers to hijack it with viruses. These viruses could be used by criminals to secretly take over your computer, download child-pornography, or to commit acts of terrorism and fraud. You may automatically update it now with Microsoft's available patches, however, there is a possibility that a necessary patch will not be available due to Microsoft's somewhat sluggish development schedule.

The US Department of Homeland Security strongly suggests that you stop using Internet Explorer immediately.

There are several standards-compliant web browsers that you may use instead of Internet Explorer. Please install one of them as a replacement.

• Opera [Download Now]
• Mozilla [Download Now]
• Netscape [Download Now]
• K-Meleon [Download Now]

If you suspect that your computer is already being used for criminal activity, it is critical that you seek help from a computer professional in your local area. You may also try one of the free web-based virus scanners that are available.

Erm why when Tabs are so much better? Go Mozilla! and.. don't forget Go Opera!

No, I'd rather use a browser that has tabbed browsing... seriously, the browser is the only real application where I *consistently* need to have many instances open.

Yes, mouse gestures are a Firefox innovation... except Opera has had mouse gestures since 2002. That's real good innovation there!

http://www.opera.com/ will fix that. You apparently know about it, but prefer to continue to deal with the security issues of IE while bitching about them. Just get a decent browser and you can quit worrying about it. I've still got IE on this system, but I can't remember the last time I needed to use it.

If I could turn spam off as easily as you can install a real browswer that will fix the problems you are complaining about, I'd be a pretty happy camper.

I use Opera so I must ask: What's a pop-up?

Why anyone is still running Internet Explorer when there are so many better alternatives?

I know it's not completely free, but you can download a trial version. turboprint. Furthermore, if it works, paying for the full version will run you about the cost of one ink cartridge. WRT the Canon s520, this person had luck.

If you're a web developer or work for a company that does anything related to web development (this covers well over half of all Slashdot users), you can get free licenses for Opera that take the standard ads off of the browser. I've included a link below to the donations page. Just fill it out and in a day or two they will send you a code that you can use to disable ads on your Opera installation(s).

Opera Donations Program

2. Go to Control Panel | Internet Options | Advanced | Multimedia, and uncheck "Show pictures". (FDA warning: I have not verified that this setting prevents this image exploit from infecting your system, since I don't know of any infected servers. But it will at least force you to use the alternate browser we installed in Step 1.)

3. Switch to the Security tab, and move Internet into "high". This will disable most forms of scripting. However, It also disables the Windows Update site. You can add windowsupdate.microsoft.com to a list of trusted sites (it will give you the instructions when you try to visit it in this mode), but I'd be very careful with that, since I do not doubt that the Windows Update site is very high on the crackers' lists of sites to infect. (Wouldn't that be ironic?)

FWIW, I don't know whether setting Internet zone security to "High" disables the automatic Windows update feature or not. I'll tell you as soon as there's a critical update to be notified of.

Opera also offeres a very decent alternative to both IE and Mozilla/Firefox.

An advocate for standards on the Net who provides tools for developing standard web content.
- Mozilla.org (specifications support)

Opera prides itself in supporting all major Web standards currently in use, including CSS2, HTML4, XHTML1, HTTP1.1, DOM1, JavaScript, PNG, Unicode, and the Unicode Bidirectional Algorithm.
- Opera.com (specifications support)

Enjoy

How did you manage to buy a product which is already free? (Opera do a free version for Sony Ericsson Symbian phones too).

From what I see Opera is in the 3.5 - 5 MB range on Linux depending on which version you get. So the "twice the size" argument may hold for Linux.

Just a quick note, the chance of getting a Gmail account on Gmail machine is one in 30000 on any given reload. It would take 20794 reloads to have just a %50 chance of getting a GMail account. If one downloads Opera and sets the reload on the gmail machine to every second, that's two weeks. Now, admittedly, one could be smarmy and open a whole host of opera windows reloading every second, but we don't even know if the reloading window would blow away the winning announcement.

On the other hand, one could spend much less time writing clever limericks in the hopes that someone will give them an account

There was a man without gmail
Whose VAC could tell quite the tale
his wife worked real hard
to stack the punch cards
but she died, and now he's in jail

cgenman@pobox.com

Shame that Slashdot missed covering the new release of Opera 7.5, another excellent web browser.

I agree with you on Opera's tab handling, I want ALL my tabs to stay in one window unless I choose otherwise. Also, if you don't use Opera's mail/newsgroups/chat features you can disable them by going tools->preferences->programs and paths->uncheck enable mail and news. You mention some stability programs so maybe you should try the new 7.51 version.

http://www.opera.com/download/

You could try Opera on QNX since QNX is very lightweight.

clicky, unfortunately in Norwegian but I think most will understand it anyway. More great Pondus comics (these in english) here.

Kjella

As an alternative, Opera 7 says on it's system requirements page: "Any system running Windows 95 (or higher) operating system"

I've been very, very pleased with the new 7.5 release. Plus, the entire install is only 3.4MB! Compare that with 12MB and 6.2MB for Mozilla and Firefox respectively. It might run faster on your older Win95 machines.

Oh, and K-Meleon might work for you too. It's Gecko, so you might run into similar problems as Moz or Firefox on your system, I'm not sure.

You can download a fix for this here.

Or here, for that matter. But seriously, when I started running Opera at work a couple of years ago, people would see me using something other than IE and they'd just shake their heads. Why would anyone want to use a "non-standard" browser?

Yesterday, I had to download some MS software, and my co-worker still laughed a bit when I had to copy the URL out of Opera to IE. But there's definitely more respect now... especially since the Data Security folks just sent a company-wide email telling us to high-tail it to windowsupdate.com... again...

I use Opera ;-), though when I use IE it usually works fine.

I also run Visual Studio .net (crashes occasionally but isn't always running) and quite a bit of other software that I know not to be buggy. I don't expect anyone that hasn't pulled off this feat of computing to believe me, but it is possible to run windows without crashing.

One way to get your PC's browsers to crash less may be to use them for something other than checking fresh web development. Just a thought.

Just because i am an Opera dude, i feel like saying "opera can do it, too!" here

^_^

you can do things that should (IMHO) be in the codebase, like re-ordering tabs, moving tabs in groups, moving tabs between windows, opening duplicate tabs (complete with the tab's page history), and (my favorite) undoing the closing of a tab

Opera does all of these things natively.

Firefox is fine as a bare-bones browser, but it doesn't have M2, Notes, and all the browser features that Opera introduced and Firefox extension makers tried to copy.

You can download extensions, but it isn't quite the same thing. A lot of people just want something which works, and which works conveniently. And extensions can be buggy, and they are created by different people with different goals, whereas Opera is developed as one solutions, where all features work seamlessly together.

So for a lot of people, Opera is "actually pleasant to use", and the default 7.50 interface is not cluttered. Naturally, you have more buttons, but the panel selector on the left is very convenient, and gives you access to power features that you would have to spend quite some time downloading extensions for in Firefox. And they often don't work quite as well, especially together.

Firefox is nice in its simplicity, and it is nice for geeks to download the extensions they need, because they already know which ones are good and which ones are crap. But for most people, Opera might be the way to go. A full Internet suite with a groundbreaking e-mail client in a 3MB package? Yes please!

And yeah, Opera is usually the program which does the groundbreaking stuff first. Only now are other e-mail clients catching up on the "virtual folders instead of normal folders" thing. Unfortunately, they can't quite manage to get it right.