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Oh neat, agro-industry backed keto talking points.

https://www.pcrm.org/news/blog/seven-reasons-keep-saturated-fat-your-plate

Since you don't seem to be able (or willing) to google this, here are a few results from the first page:

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/...

http://cardiobrief.org/2016/11...

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/n...

Note that these are from science based publications... not fake news sites.

Also, animal saturated fat causes cancer:

http://www.pcrm.org/nbBlog/ind...

https://www.sciencedaily.com/r...

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/n...

If you're informed that you're getting placebo then it's not placebo anymore. It is literally impossible to have informed consent in a placebo controlled trial.

And even if you phrase it like, "you MIGHT get a placebo" that still doesn't cover you.

It must come as quite a shock that there are rather strict ethical guidelines when it comes to experimenting on humans, born mostly out of a very ugly history of malpractice.

http://www.pcrm.org/research/h...

Using humans as lab rats is simply not an option.
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That's great that you eliminated processed food. Try to get your total cholesterol under 150. This page[1] mentions the Framingham Study[2], which showed that "only patients with cholesterol levels of less than 150 milligrams per deciliter (mg/dl) achieve the lowest coronary artery disease risk. In the first 50 years of the Framingham study, only five subjects with cholesterol levels of less than 150 mg/dl developed coronary artery disease. Rural residents in the developing areas of Asia, Africa, and Latin America typically have total-cholesterol levels of about 125-140, and they do not develop coronary artery disease."

1. Physicians Committe for Responsible Medicine's page on heart disease: http://www.pcrm.org/health/health-topics/cholesterol-and-heart-disease
2. Castelli WP. Making practical sense of clinical trial data in decreasing cardiovascular risk. Am J Cardiol. 2001;88(4A):16F-20F

This is the reason we like him.

I'd also like to add: it's too bad we couldn't have had Kucinich elected in 2008, because then we would have had a First Lady who was a real hottie. Just compare: Elizabeth Kucinich vs. Michelle Obama

I recently looked for scientific articles supporting the claim that fish makes you smarter. It seems the scientific consensus on omega 3/fish oil is inconclusive at best. Here's an example of what I found:

"However, Cochrane reviews of these studies have indicated that most of them are observational studies, that hardly any RCTs have been done and that all studies have led to inconsistent and contradictory results that do not support most of the claims."
http://digitaljournal.com/article/284399

Here's another article with a list of contradictory studies. One of the studies was on alzheimers and showed no effect.
http://www.pcrm.org/search/?cid=2723

If taste is the issue, lets take the example of ethylene glycol. It is sweet and would probably be a useful item in food products. In small quantities it is probably not that harmful. Yet we do not use Ethylene glycol. Likewise, alcohol tastes really good. In saner and more free market based countries, nobody is going freak about a kid having a bit of alcohol. Yet in the US we do, but seem to not freak out when a kid eats junk food every day, or when a parent provides 50% of the calories from sugar and fat. In one case we think of the children at the expense of free choice and free market, in the other we let the free market run rampant at the expense of the children.

I am not for politicians picking food, which is why the current situation is so wrong. Farm subsidies promote food not based on what we need, but what will make the politicians friends rich. A screwed up system where a bag of chips costs less than a piece of fruit. A salad costs more than a hamburger. The real issue is that government intervention has created a system where calories are cheap, but nutrition is expensive.

Which is why anyone who talks about government conspiracies is just silly. Oh one hand, we talk about how stupid the government is. On the other, we grant they the hyper intelligence to run a conspiracy. Just look a this example. One part of the government, the subsidies, the money that is forcefully taken from the tax payer and gives it to the corporation for doing nothing, supports the food we want. The other side,the side that suggests that we might want eat more healthy, does nothing but print propaganda. In other words, the politicians are already picking and perverting our food based on campaign contributions and kick backs. What most people want is a free market system where we get to choose our food based on preference.

Not a great idea. A lot of US agriculture industries have a lot of "government relations" clout. See Why Does a Salad Cost More Than a Big Mac?. Then we can talk about McDonalds, KFC, and Coca Cola.

One of the main reasons we have an obesity epidemic in this country is because the government uses our tax dollars to subsidize the production of huge amounts of cheap, unhealthy food.

Personal responsibility is paramount, but if our government is going to subsidize food production, it shouldn't use our tax dollars to make unhealthy food cheaper.

Take a look at the food pyramid by subsidy to see what I'm talking about.

Most of the time, sure. But some don't harm humans, or aren't harmful as long as you aren't being forcefed your own body weight of the stuff daily.

For example, metronidazole causes cancer in rats, but not in humans. Also, here's an article with a lot of information on teratogenicity:

Mean positive and negative predictivities barely exceed 50%; discordance among the species used is substantial; reliable extrapolation from animal data to humans is impossible, and virtually all known human teratogens have so far been identified in spite of, rather than because of, animal-based methods.

I ate vegan (only non-animal products) for a while. I loved how everything was low on fat; it made me feel energetic, and I lost about 5 kilos in the first couple of weeks, and stayed on my lower weight (in case you're wondering: both weights were considered good). However, now that it's dark and gloomy outside, I find I like to eat heavier food, so I'm back on cheese and meat. Still, I wanted to share some of the links I collected while cooking vegan food:

Veganism in a Nutshell -- The Vegetarian Resource Group

PCRM >> Clinical Research >> Diabetes: Can a Vegan Diet Reverse Diabetes?

Vegetarians in Paradise/ Diabetes Diet/Diabetes Prevention

Strict Vegan Diets May Be Dangerous, Especially for Expectant Mothers and Children

My general verdict about vegan cooking is that it's fun, it's healthy as long as you counter the deficiencies you'll develop (mainly vitamin B12), and it's good for the planet and the animals.

I'll stick to searching 'pubmed.org' for "milk, osteoporosis" and seeing the randomized control trials, thank you.

Culling out publications from obviously biases sources such as the "Journal of Dairy Science", can you find a randomized controled trial showing that unfortified dairy products have a protective impact on osteoporosis?

Such a result would be surprising given the findings of a study published in the American Journal of Public Health which followed 77,761 women and found no protective impact of dairy products on fractures.

A PubMed search will find this meta-analyis from Pediatrics on osteoporosis, or this article on the increased risk for prostate cancer from dairy consumption from the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. This study from the same journal notes "Over the years, doubts have arisen concerning the use of milk as a calcium source in the prevention of osteoporosis, particularly because of potential offsetting effects of protein and phosphorus." This letter in that same journal points out that living in countries with a high dairy consumption is a risk factor for osteoporosis.

This page from PCRM give citations to several studies on the health impact of dairy consumption.

See also this analysis in Public Health Nutrition which states, "Regarding associations relating the consumption of dairy products with chronic diseases, in Western societies consumption of dairy products has traditionally been linked to cardiovascular diseases (arteriosclerosis) and osteoporosis owing to their saturated fatty acids and calcium content, respectively. While the association between saturated fat intake and risk of arteriosclerosis is well established, the association between calcium from dairy products, together with vitamin D, and osteoporosis is less clear."

Yes well all animals should be respected. That is the only way we can be the most moral animal. And yes, I do care a lot about humans when I know that many of their ailments are heavily mitigated by cruelty free diets. Instead, a lot of humans hand their money over to little kids (who are shamelessly fooled into thinking they are doing the right thing) collecting for medical charities. For all the minimal good animal research has done, that money is effectively being pushed up into some researcher's wallet. Get the facts here: http://www.pcrm.org/

I agree, if anyone is to respect the founding fathers, then I am free to respect animal rights activists whose philosophy of no-cruelty to animals probably will do us better practically than this doctor's research will have ever done. In fact, animal medical research has hardly done anything for us give the decades of experiments and tens of thousands of researchers wasting your charity drive money. See this article on fighting Diabetes as an example: http://www.pcrm.org/news/release060727.html

For more info: http://www.pcrm.org/ Thank you for mentioning Diabetes to prove my point: did you know that a major study released recently showed that Diabetes can be combatted greatly by eating a vegan diet (completely animal/cruelty free diet) ? http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?ne wsid=49091 . Clearly you have friends stuck in an animal lab somewhere working really hard to push pills in an effort to up the bottom line. All you're doing is pressing propaganda for your industry which seems to have endless drives to get money from the public...to no avail! Over and over again. One would imagine that decades of animal testing, and tens of thousands of white-coated "professionals" would have achieved at least one cure or healing method for one major ailment by now. It certainly has helped the wallets of pharmaceuticals, researchers, etc. but that is not what we're looking for. But no, now you're going to make a silly argument that there's a specific path to a cure that only eggheads like you can fill. Give me a break. Going to university doesn't make you an expert. It helps you work for powerful companies that will pay you big bucks to endlessly make the shareholders think you are making strides when you're just buying nicer cars, stereos, and having more luxurious vacations. This is the case for the vast majority of those of us who have worked for large corporations in practically ANY field. Information technology is and will be the way to real cures...with perhaps some advances in biology which will allow us to use/generate human tissue. If animal labs had glass walls, public opinion would have stopped our dear doctor from continuing his research anyway.

I respect your view on the matter, but I can as well produce links saying the opposite (a PCRM report comes to mind, or this quick one from google).

BTW, you first link support my claim, that the helth benefits stem from not eating meat rather than eating fish... so, thanks!

PS: I haven't check your links yet, they seem to be /.ed (either that or my connection sucks, which might be the case since I'm writing this from south america).

Hmm... well, even Atkins himself got sick of it!

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Most of the stuff that makes the press is by "scientists" with dubious credentials http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/hea dline/1742 who sell their services to groups with an axe to grind http://www.pcrm.org/

With the right buzzwords, you can dupe most of the public into believing anything http://www.dhmo.org/

...It still doesn't tell you what will happen with humans.

Not only that, but potentially useful drugs that don't work on animals won't make it to human trials. Penicillin is deadly to rats... fortunately it predates animal testing.

When you DO test on humans, you need to test on a lot of them. E.g., are you allergic to peanuts? I'm not, peanut butter must be 100% safe!

Physicians' Committee for Responsible Medicine:
Animal Experimentation

Anyway, it's still a lousy reason to snoop on your employees. If you want to free animals, it's trivial to find someone who will pass a background check, and of course anyone can sneak in after-hours to free the animals. They are NOT secured like a "military installation", that's a laugh.

Anyway, let me know when we can cure cancer in humans... we must've cured it in rats decades ago... Or AIDS. Or hepatitis. Herpes. The common cold...

One more thing: we ain't never going to see a cure if they DO find one. Just "treatments" that will have you shelling out for your prescription every week for the rest of your life. Think they care about YOU? These are people who torture fluffy bunny rabbits.

Nope. I enjoy my health too much to destroy it with one of the most bland types of junk food in existence.

1) don't eat meat. How many fat vegetarians do you know? The number one way of getting too many calories is to have meat as part of your diet.

Check out the The Physicians Commitee Vegeatarian Started Kit or The PETA Vegetarian Starter Kit.

2) Stop eating excess sugars (i.e. soda, candy).

3) When you eat, eat big foods (cauliflower, broccoli, lettuce, cabbage) that fill you up but have low caloric density. Drink a glass of water before you eat.

3) Exercise more. Don't sit if you can walk, don't walk if you can run, don't use the elevator if you can use the stairs, don't use the phone/email if you can walk over to their office/cubicle. If you can ride your bike or walk to work, do it! And realize that you are able to do something that most people wish they could do!

I say these things as someone who weighs the same as I did in High School, 23 years later. (good god, has it been that long!??) Oh, and I'm in way better shape now than I was then.

Finally I visited one doctor who told me I needed to drink more water, have a humidifier in my room, and change my diet to largely plant based. In a few days my kidney problems ceased without any drug or surgical interventions.

Over the years since then, I've read, and noticed that the majority of health problems can be easily solved by the patient themselves. Just a little research from your local bookstore, or even the net can go a long way.

Doctors should really only be used to help diagnose your symptoms, and to treat those problems that you cannot yourself.

Instead, many of us see the latest drugs on TV and rush in to the doctor wanting him/her to prescribe them. All drugs are toxic and most have unintended side effects and consequences. If you dont believe me, check out side effects for a few popularly prescribed drugs that patients could easily be solving in more natural ways:

Zocor - http://www.medications.com/index.php?act=se&drug=Z ocor

Yasmin - http://www.medications.com/index.php?act=se&drug=Y asmin

Paxil - http://www.medications.com/index.php?act=se&drug=P axil

Levaquin - http://www.medications.com/index.php?act=se&drug=L evaquin

Sure, drugs have their place in certain circumstances, but doctors being in thrall of the pharmaceutical industry really set themselves up for lawsuits from uninformed patients who sometimes pressure them, and many times, medications are seen as the easy way out to shup-up a complaining patient and move on to the other one.

Fellow slashdotters who are ill, should talk to their doctors, and research natural alternatives from a variety of sources before submitting to surgery and medications. And if surgery and medications are unavoidable, get second and third opinions for convention and alternative physicians. You can save your life that way. Check out sites that expose certain health myths, such as The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine for more information.

• Americans for Medical Advancement
• Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine
• Medical Research Modernization Committee

When i was younger (im still in my early 20s) there were only 4 food groups, now there are 5.

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You had *one* friend who was in bed for 2 months because she broke a bone and you blame it on being Vegan! That's nonsense. Did you ever stop to think that *she* had an unhealthy diet. Being Vegan does not mean being healthy. However a healthy Vegan diet is by far the most healthy diet one can have. Do a little research and it is apparent. The science shows it although most people refuse to listen because they don't want to change their omniverous lifestyle. Also insurance companies don't want you to know because you will not be seeing the doctor as often or buying drugs to cure the symptoms of problems. Believe what you want, I have many, many vegan friends who are all extremely healthy. I know people who have been that way all their life and they are doing great.

For your one example I can name 100 examples pointing to the opposite (yes I know of some unhealthy ones too). Plus do some research and you will see that to be true too. Here's a starting link: PCRM. This is an organization of real medical doctors who promote the Vegan diet as being healthy.

If you consume large amounts of calcium from vegetable sources, all you will get from that are gallstones.

Huh? None of my Vegan friends or I have this problem. Calcium from vegetable sources absorbs into the human body better than from animal sources. High protein diets, typical of meat centered diets, causes appreciable calcium loss leading to the high rate of osteoperosis seen in most 1st world countries.

The only problem Vegan people like us have is we can't take any sick days from work because we almost never get sick.

but our bodies aren't optimized for a vegetarian diet

Well speak for yourself, mine is. So is everyone else I know. Are you a dog perhaps?

If you are serious about not consuming *anything* at all that has deleterious side effects, you should learn to live without oxygen.

No one (else) said Vegan means nothing unhealthy. And your comment about oxygen does not make any sense.

Frankly I could care less if you want to eat like an omnivore, it's your health. But when you say that being Vegan is unhealthy, that's ridiculous and I will call you on that. I'm living proof of being Vegan and healthy.