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PETA's "animal shelters" would do Auschwitz proud.

This and many other examples like - PETA euthanizing more animals than they shelter - UNICEF expenses of 52 million dollars (pdf) in expenses related to management and fundraising (out of a 600 million dollars budget, and that's one of the best managed ones out there) show that it is much more efficient to donate time or money locally instead of to big organizations. Donate to your local food bank, soup kitchen, volunteer some time in the retirement home, the satisfaction will be the same and the effects will be much more efficient. Or, at the very least, don't screw people over, it is more than enough if you can do that. Why should you donate anything to help someone in the other side of the world while people needs your help in your own neighbourhood?

Agree. Local charities aren't big enough to mismanage the funds, and the people are close enough that they will probably volunteer their time as well and not need a half million dollar salary.
There is too much graft and corruption in all of the big charities. Red cross makes $2 billion a year selling your blood and not giving you any tax credit for it, but claiming it on their taxes as a donation.
United Way and March of Dimes encourages quotas, threat of firing and ostracizing to force people in organizations to take part in fund raising for organizations which donate to causes which they don't necessarily agree with.
All of these big organizations spend more than 10 cents out of every dollar on actual humanitarian causes, and as you can see often cannot even tell you how they spent the other 80-some cents, and neither can they people that the organizations claim to have benefited.

This and many other examples like

- PETA euthanizing more animals than they shelter
- UNICEF expenses of 52 million dollars (pdf) in expenses related to management and fundraising (out of a 600 million dollars budget, and that's one of the best managed ones out there)

show that it is much more efficient to donate time or money locally instead of to big organizations.

Donate to your local food bank, soup kitchen, volunteer some time in the retirement home, the satisfaction will be the same and the effects will be much more efficient. Or, at the very least, don't screw people over, it is more than enough if you can do that.

Why should you donate anything to help someone in the other side of the world while people needs your help in your own neighbourhood?

quantaman says: "Of all the things PETA is guilty of being callous towards animals is not one of them."

Really??

https://www.petakillsanimals.c...

This isn't something that was made up by their detractors. It's cold hard facts PETA left in a dumpster for all the world to see.

And I've already discussed it previous comments in the thread. The only thing you seem to have added is criticism over how they dispose of the bodies, which raises the question of how you propose they dispose of the bodies, and why the body disposal method really matters in the first place.

quantaman says: "Of all the things PETA is guilty of being callous towards animals is not one of them."

Really??

https://www.petakillsanimals.c...

This isn't something that was made up by their detractors. It's cold hard facts PETA left in a dumpster for all the world to see.

Documentation:

https://www.petakillsanimals.c...

https://www.petakillsanimals.c...

And it comes with lots of petabytes in the cloud!

Are these the bytes used by an animal rights group to run its yes-kill shelters? Or are they bites taken out of tasty animals (warning: 1996 web design)?

No, otherwise they wouldn't go on massive slaughter-fests. An animal PETA gets its hands on has an 84% chance of getting murdered within 24 hours.

To be fair to them they don't like it and only do it so that they can accept animals rejected by other shelters. I have mixed feelings on this, on one hand I think they should turn more away - but on the other hand if the alternative is the animals being dumped by the roadside or worse then maybe accepting and euthenising is best

No, otherwise they wouldn't go on massive slaughter-fests. An animal PETA gets its hands on has an 84% chance of getting murdered within 24 hours.

Could have something to do with PETA killing more animals than just about any so called "animal shelter" out there.

I was reading a commentary a while back about a veterinarian who had some dogs that she gave a clean bill of health and were well mannered to be adoptable. She heard good things about PETA (who hasn't?) and sent them there. Turned out later that PETA euthanized all of them. PETA's reasoning is that they want to end the ownership of animals as pets, and euthanasia is preferred over adoption.

I can't be assed to find it right now, but you can start here:

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

PETA not just kills but also neglects and abuses:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-j-winograd/peta-kills-puppies-kittens_b_2979220.html

Maybe he should have provided some sources, but everything I've read indicates that his assertion is correct. See this site. Granted, you shouldn't base your conclusions on one site alone, but some of the evidence and conclusions listed there (and on other sites) is pretty damning.

It's only defamation if it's false. How do you sue people for telling the truth?

Exactly: Proof PETA Kills

From the homepage: PETA Kills Animals

According to records from the Virginia Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, PETA killed 1,647 cats and dogs last year while placing just 19 in adoptive homes. Since 1998, a total of 29,398 pets have died at the hands of PETA workers.

It's only defamation if it's false. How do you sue people for telling the truth?

Exactly: Proof PETA Kills

From the homepage: PETA Kills Animals

According to records from the Virginia Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, PETA killed 1,647 cats and dogs last year while placing just 19 in adoptive homes. Since 1998, a total of 29,398 pets have died at the hands of PETA workers.

You may say that now, but wait until PETA find out about the number of cats and flasks of cyanide their prototype gets through every month...

Yeah, they'll be taking notes.

PETA to endorce the butchers' union?

They have already been fined for operating a mass butchering outfit without a license. And they kill over 90% of healthy pets they receive (source).

PETA's kill-rate is higher than the busiest public kill shelters in the country. PETA shelters killed 95% of all animals they took into their care in 2011, because caring for them would cost money they could otherwise spend running ads trying to make you feel guilty about having pets and eating cows.

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

Oh yeah PETA is against killing animals. So that is what you think. PETA killed over 31,000 cats and dogs in its shelter. They didn't have the decency to feed the dead animals to the local homeless shelters. Talk about hypocrisy and waste. http://www.petakillsanimals.com/proof/

Try this website:PETA Kills Animals

kills 85% of animals it receives.

PETA is launching a soft-port .xxx site and put out a gruesome comic book named "Your Mommy Kills Animals" targeted at children.

I have nothing but contempt for PETA. Even If I were a vegetarian/vegan, I would distance myself from that organization as much as possible.

If you look into who owns that site you will see it belongs to CCF (Center for Consumer Freedom) which is a lobbyist group that has a lot of investors in the food industry. In other words a group heavily invested in discrediting the animal rights movement. Irregardless of how you feel about their latest stunt it doesn't help your case parroting a bunch of astroturfed propaganda.

PETA is total scam, the only reason they're raising a stink is to do some fundraising for their "cause". Not my site, but one that tells the real story behind PETA very well. http://petakillsanimals.com/

kills 85% of animals it receives.

PETA is launching a soft-port .xxx site and put out a gruesome comic book named "Your Mommy Kills Animals" targeted at children.

I have nothing but contempt for PETA. Even If I were a vegetarian/vegan, I would distance myself from that organization as much as possible.

I guess they need more money to fund their mobile euthanasia machines. If you give an animal to PETA, its probably dead before they leave the driveway.

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

Thank PETA. If you've ever been stupid enough to support PETA you need to understand they want to ban pet ownership. Yes Ban it. It's one of their top priorities.

PETA collects unwanted pets from owners and immediately kills them in the van they drove up in. This first came to light when someone found PETA illegally dumping lots of dead animals in someone's dumpster.

The Truth about PETA
PETA Trial Day 5: Deception and Tears
Shocking New Crime-Scene Photos
PETA's Shame
PETA Kills Pets | Seattle Dogspot

Thank PETA. If you've ever been stupid enough to support PETA you need to understand they want to ban pet ownership. Yes Ban it. It's one of their top priorities.

PETA collects unwanted pets from owners and immediately kills them in the van they drove up in. This first came to light when someone found PETA illegally dumping lots of dead animals in someone's dumpster.

The Truth about PETA
PETA Trial Day 5: Deception and Tears
Shocking New Crime-Scene Photos
PETA's Shame
PETA Kills Pets | Seattle Dogspot

PETA is one such group. They just want people to not kill animals. They don't really care why you don't kill animals, they just want you to not kill animals.

Not true. PETA wants to stop what they define as unethical treatment. The problem is that their definition includes things like enslaving animals, which includes my wife and I keeping two cats as pets. They're as happy and healthy as can be, but in PETA's eyes they're abused slaves who would be better off dead.

Seriously, PETA thinks all housepets should be slaughtered and if you give them pets in the hope that they'll find homes for them they kill them as a matter of policy.
In 2009, PETA killed 97.3% of the pets they were entrusted with.

I used to think they were just a bit overboard, but at least generally on the right side, but then I learned
a bit more about them.

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/petasdirtysecret.cfm Nuff said.

http://articles.sfgate.com/2005-06-23/opinion/17379611_1_peta-s-web-animal-cruelty-dead-animals
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
http://www.newsweek.com/id/134549

and so on and so forth.

Fuck PETA. I feel my money and time would be better spent supporting the ASPCA. At least they don't make me want to cringe every time I hear or read about them.

I've pretty much reached the point where I equate PETA to Scientology. They're both a bunch of loonies with more money than sense.

Something useful... like ending actual ongoing *human* slavery? Nah... PETA finds it more worthwhile to kill (uhhh 'rescue') some more animals: http://www.petakillsanimals.com/.

PETA == "People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals"

Its not about hate, its about recognising that animals have feelings too. If you ever had a pet you would know this of course.. Also, I just saw this comment about copyright law and the UK Pirate Party which applies to PETA just as much. You can be sure that they won't get anywhere near what they are asking for but they know that and want you to consider that already you are sitting in an unethical position. They want to and need to rub your face in it because otherwise you just ignore what is going on in your name..

You been punked!

Since 1998 PETA has killed more than 17,000 animals, nearly 85 percent of all those it has rescued.

Wow, that's pretty bad.

Just how bad is PETA?

PETA’s “Animal Record” report for 2009, filed with the Virginia Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, shows that the animal rights group killed 97 percent of the dogs and cats in its care last year. During all of 2009, PETA found adoptive homes for just eight pets.

Just eight animals -- out of the 2,366 it took in. PETA just broke its own record.

Nice to know PETA managed to put EIGHT whole pets up for adoption in 2009.

Woo hoo. Bunch of dedicated animal rights activists there, eh?

Ain't you the fool.

Maybe, but if so we certainly could also consider adding some of those PETA loonies.

Or the animals PETA is euthanizing... Over 85% of the animals they take in are killed instead of adopted. So many animals were killed by PETA in fact, that they purchaced a 9,000$ freezer to temporarily store the animals that have been killed.

I'll slaughter a million kittens before I give even the first wit of anything those hypocritical bastards have to say.

Try 21,339.

I do find it very odd, to say the least!, that PETA has so many animals put down.

And it's even odder, if true, that PETA employees would pick up animals and just kill and dump them, without even taking them back to PETA's shelter. And if the NRA's claims are not true, then why hasn't PETA sued them for libel and slander? (PETA would gladly sue NRA; they are enemies.)

Check out the PDF with records; PETA used to place more animals than it does these days. In 1998, 258 animals were adopted or transferred and 635 were killed; and they noted that 58 of the killed animals were badly burned birds from some sort of accident. In 2007, 93 animals were adopted or transferred and 2369 were killed . Even PETA can do better than PETA does these days.

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/downloads/PetaKillsAnimals.pdf

Also, a source from the NRA? Yeah, as if thats going to be a bias free source! When I think of the NRA, I sure think of Animal Rights

The NRA wants hunting to continue to be legal. Hunting kills an animal quickly with a bullet; this seems a less cruel fate than being torn by wolf teeth, or starving to death in the winter. It's more cruel than leaving the animal alone, of course, but as a person who eats meat and doesn't want to stop, I don't feel it is my place to condemn hunting.

How many deer starve in the winter? "...MOST of the fawns die EVERY winter."

The NRA also wants people to continue to be able to own dogs (including hunting dogs). PETA considers this slavery, no joke, and PETA would love to abolish all forms of pet ownership.

If American people dont take animals from American animal shelters, then what is meant to happen to them?

First, American people do take animals from shelters. For example, my wife and I have a pet cat that we got from a shelter. (She was really nervous for weeks when we first got her; she has settled down and is peaceful and happy in our home.)

There are so many animals that many do get put down. There are also "no-kill" shelters that will hold animals for as long as it takes, until they find someone who will take the animal. The shelter from which we got our cat is a no-kill shelter; they won't even kill the cats with feline AIDS, they try to keep them going. On the one hand, I think they are a little crazy (if they killed the cats with feline AIDS, they would have more room to take on doomed cats from other shelters that do not have a no-kill policy). On the other hand, I have to respect them for having rock-solid principles; when they say they are "no-kill", they really mean it.

There are also individuals who "foster" animals in their homes. Rather than permanently adopting the animals, they hold some animals for a while, to try to help the no-kill shelters save as many animals as possible.

PETA could transfer some animals to no-kill shelters or foster homes, if they can't find anyone to adopt the animals. But I have to agree that with PETA's huge budget, they ought to be able to kill fewer animals and place more in homes.

Perhaps it has to do with the fact that PETA kills animals. Not a handful of animals. Thousands.

Perhaps it also has to do with calling feeding kids meat child abuse.

Maybe it could be with this not so tactful ad.

Or maybe he's offended by PETA's ads that make mothers out to be murderers.

Then PETA goes on to say that dad's a psychopathic killer.

I'm curious how you would kill the unfit or unusable livestock quickly and humanely? That grinder may *look* horrifying, but it seems to be quick. It's actually quite a bit more humanely than most "animal rights" organizations deal with the pets they collect http://www.petakillsanimals.com/petaKillsAnimals.cfm

Or what you would do with the male chicks when they aren't worth the cost of feed and labor to raise them to maturity? Farming is a business, and a business that does *not* pay well for individual farmers. It is not a charity for unwanted roosters.

That wont bother PETA at all. They have nothing against killing animals senselessly. They only get angry if you try to justify the death of the animal by using its fur or meat for something useful, but if you just throw it all out it's all good with them. http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

Well, I've heard this one before and I have a couple of things to say about it. First, you can read PETA's response to this at their forum. I admit that posts by PETA admins are very likely to be pro-PETA, but this is in contrast to your source, a website called petakillsanimals. I don't think it will be hard to sort the bias from just facts. The PETA response provides a context that is not presented by the petakillsanimals page, which you can evaluate for yourself. The (my) tldr version of this is: PETA is killing those animals to end their suffering and not for PETA's benefit, i.e. to consume the animals or otherwise use their parts. Perhaps I am predisposed to believe them, so read the whole thing if you suspect I'm presenting it wrong.

Second, consider who the Center for Consumer Freedom is and what they represent. On their main page, they're advocating for high fructose corn syrup and one of their other projects besides petakillsanimals is a site defending trans-fats. They have every right to shill for the processed food industry but let's recognize them for what they are.

Last, I am reminded of Matthew 7:3.

The rights that PETA members ascribe to animals, most basically, are the rights not to suffer and die at the hands of humans.

Given PETA's record, your statement is a bit . . . ironic.

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

[citation needed]

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

"PETA Killed More than 90% of the Animals in its Care in 2007"

PETA is hypocrites.

What they don't tell you is that they don't believe in animal ownership at all. If PETA had their way we'd have to turn all our dogs wild.

Or we could just do what PETA does, and kill our dogs. 19,200 dogs, cats, puppies, and kittens.

Of course it would be based on the actual experiences of PETA staffers: http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

You know what shows a lack of compassion? PETA kills animals. What excuse is there for killing thousands of animals - over 80% of those they take in? They can't all be critically injured or diseased. What kind of sick, twisted morality is that? In my opinion, given the information, this is not Ethical Treatment of Animals.

nope it stands for People Executing Tame Anaimals http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

Animal rights nuts don't love animals. They HATE HUMANS. Don't think so? read these quotes from PETA members and directors: http://www.activistcash.com/organization_quotes.cfm/oid/21

Also witness that PETA's idea of "ethical treatment" means that they kill 97% of the pets they collect (having often lied to the former owner about the animal's intended fate), because in the words of Ingrid Newkirk, dogs and cats are "better off dead" than living "enslaved" as a companion to humans. See http://www.petakillsanimals.com/ for the whole story. -- By contrast, the average city shelter kills about 30%.

As to PETA's financials, read this:
http://www.activistcash.com/organization_financials.cfm/oid/21

PETA kills 85 percent of the animals it takes in, and finds adoptive homes for just 14 percent. By contrast, the Norfolk SPCA, whose shelter is located less than 4 miles from PETA's headquarters, found adoptive homes for 73 percent of its animals in 2003.

I find it more ironic that PETA killed 97% of all animals left in their care in 2006. (at least according to VA state records and http://www.petakillsanimals.com/ )

Don't forget that PETA already kills animals for fun and profit. Why not go one further and sell their meat too?

...or when they decide that it's easier to simply murder animals which they have just "rescued" and dump their bodies in a dumpster than it is to actually take care of them. http://www.petakillsanimals.com/index.cfm

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