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Republicans prevented more than 350,000 voters in Ohio from casting ballots or having their votes counted -- enough to have put John Kerry in the White House.

I second this! http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/1058671 4/was_the_2004_election_stolen

unless you happen to be an urban minority voter in my state, Ohio. In which case Mr. Ken Blackwell will probably be doing all he can as head of the state elections board to supress your vote and ensure his own victory as governor. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/1058671 4/was_the_2004_election_stolen

Bush looks like a dummy, and his policies might be completely terrible, but he knows his stuff, and he has worked hard to get to where he is.

According to this article in the Washington Post from August, 2005:

The August getaway is Bush's 49th trip to his cherished ranch since taking office and the 319th day that Bush has spent, entirely or partially, in Crawford -- nearly 20 percent of his presidency to date, according to Mark Knoller, a CBS Radio reporter known for keeping better records of the president's travel than the White House itself. Weekends and holidays at Camp David or at his parents' compound in Kennebunkport, Maine, bump up the proportion of Bush's time away from Washington even further.

Until now, probably no modern president was a more famous vacationer than Ronald Reagan, who loved spending time at his ranch in Santa Barbara, Calif. According to an Associated Press count, Reagan spent all or part of 335 days in Santa Barbara over his eight-year presidency -- a total that Bush will surpass this month in Crawford with 3 1/2 years left in his second term.

Whether after all his work, hard or otherwise, he can call his presidency a success, history has yet to decide.

I'm talking about "success" as "being the best at what you want to do."

By that definition, most of us are doomed to failure since there is always someone better as what we do, usually a lot better. And depending on what you set your goals to be, they can be easy or hard to achieve, or impossible. Some people even prefer an honourable failure to an easy success. Failure itself is not a sign of lack of hard work any more than success is proof of it.

I have mod points, but I'd rather reply to this...

The people in this country have something to say about the current state of things but have yet to act upon what the morals that govern them. They talk about how wrong the President is but yet they vote him into office again. They shout " I don't want my phone tapped," but they do it in the comfort of their home where they can't be arrested. They say "let us be moral and leaders of the free world," yet they think "a little bit of torture never hurt anyone as long as its in Cuba." And here we are - you and I paying our taxes and showing our teeth like its all okay.

Just what am I supposed to do? Go and protest at one of GWB's speeches and get arrested? How will that change anything? How will that help? Will my being in prison make other people more free?

I could perhaps donate a little money to the ACLU or EFF - I think they're great causes - but their court actions are subject to a judiciary which is increasingly neo-conservative (aka fascist).

AFAIK, the most effective thing I can do is vote for democrats in the 2006 and 2008 elections. But everyone here at /. knows that recent elections were corrupt. I never voted for Bush in the first place, and that's true of approximately (or perhaps at least?) 50% of American voters. But the opinions of those voters are ignored by the present administration, and I suspect that some of their votes are ignored as well.

Personally, I believe that the current administration is led by criminals who should be impeached, tried, convicted, and imprisoned for a very long time. Their crimes are many and egregious. But what can I do about it? I'm not wealthy enough to buy a congresscritter.

So go ahead and mod me down or call me a troll because I don't care. Someone needs to tell America the truth and stand up for whats right. I'm moving to Maine...

Yeah, I'll bet you're going to move to another state just because of a slashdot story. Riiiiight...

The reaction to RFK Jr.'s article about the 2004 election wasn't as stong as I personally would have hoped for, but from a few things that I have read, I get the impression that it's far from over.

I liked that illustration by Matt Mahurin. Election fraud must be really hard to draw.

I disagree with you because I think the whole point of these machines is to conceal real fraud, in real elections. I believe the fraud has happend, and will continue to happen until people wake up and accept that it's going on.

Or if you haven't already, this: Was the 2004 Election Stolen? by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

Let's see, off the top of my head, Gary Brecher, Matt Taibbi, Mark Ames or John Dolan.

Of course, those are all eXile alumns, and one of them is probably a Nom de Guerre, but I'm sure others can be found if you look hard enough.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/wa s_the_2004_election_stolen

tell that to these guys.

There was an article talking about how Wal Mart wants to move the recording industry to sell them CD's cheap enough so they could retail them for no more than $9.99. Sounds like Apple is trying to do something along these lines as well, but can Apple move an industry like Wal Mart (which constitutes about 20% of all CD's sold) is trying?

You're preaching to the choir, brother.

In the US, High School is the time to party.

Not quite.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10464110/se x__scandal_at_duke
And, of course, Girls Gone Wild, Spring Break Edition and shit.

BTW, it seems that every time I read about students practicing extreme debauchery, and/or situations that get tragically out of control (death by alcoholic congestion or hazing, rape incidents, students gone missing in the Caribbean, etc), they lopsidedly happen with alumni from colleges in the Carolinas, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, you know, the so-called red states, Bush's America. What's going on there?

This may be an unfortunate stereotype, but it's been around for a long time:
At Berkeley or MIT, for example, students score dope and drink microbrews while listening to John Coltrane, or whatever as long as it's deep. This is where we get our scientists and engineers.
Meanwhile, at Alabama State or Florida State, students score coke while doing budweiser beer bongs, ogle at coeds in wet t-shirts as Sammy Hagar or Eminem blares from the speakers. This is where we get our average lawyers and mid-to-upper level management.

It is the party that stole the election, of course. It's called democracy, asshole.

What makes you think that will help?

In November, you can vote out the incumbents.

And what if the election system isn't valid? What then?

You reall think voting will help?

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/wa s_the_2004_election_stolen

Of course, this is offset by most American's apathy towards anything to do with government. As long as they can afford their beers, pay the bills and watch their idiot box most of them will be complacent about damn near anything that doesn't interfere with any of that.

Don't believe me? How about his for a statistic: more people voted in the last American Idol episode of that television show than did in the last Presidential Election.

Oh, and it's not just the Jews that are to wear 'ribbons', it's chritians as well. Patch sewn onto clothing. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

A neocon "exile" with ties to the white house neocons and a suspicious PR agency planting emotional misinformation in a foreign english newspaper thus avoiding US laws against goverment propaganda in order to sow irrational fear over an entire country for which the US is working on "regime change", sounds familiar, doesn`t it?

Oh and from advertising materials of the PR agencies that are involved in swift boating entire countries we can learn that these agencies are active on blogs... Is it possible that this would include slashdot?

And if you get emotional over jews being forced to wear patches, healthy IMHO, consider Anne Franks view on war as an inspiration, instead of Cheney`s...

For the historical record: the "someone else" who wrote that is Sean Wilentz, a professor of history at Princeton, not Clockwurk.

We're becoming the thing we're attacking, therefore we're attacking ourselves.

If you haven't already, read the review of Bush by Sean Wilentz in Rolling Stone. THEN, watch Stephen Colbert at the White House correspondents dinner last night.

The tides are turning. It's too much. Too much bad for one group of people for us to put up with. Too many lies. Too much secrecy.

It should also be pretty obvious that, by cutting and pasting the final line from the webpage they used (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/profile/story/99 61300/the_worst_president_in_history) the plagiarist could have given full credit to the author with almost no additional effort.

That's what pisses me off the most -- failure to attribute the words in question to the person who wrote them. It's not too much to ask.

The article is in a newer rolling stone magazine and can be found here. The author is Sean Wilentz, a Princeton professor of American studies, and his bio (and list of writings) is found here.

Rolling Stone

A link would've been enough.

parent post is stolen from: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/profile/story/996 1300/the_worst_president_in_history

it, not Rolling Stone. Rolling Stone just published it.

Link : One of America's leading historians assesses George W. Bush

People who make a lot of money did so because they wanted to make a lot of money. They generally don't stop wanting to make more money after the first few millions. The reason is simple. Most of these artists are has-beens with a huge followowing of aging fans that are in their peak-earning years or whose kids have grown and are flush with disposable income. These fans would rather shell out AU$1530 (in the case of Barbara Streisand) than spend a weekend in a tent at the box office for good seats. I couldn't find any lists of the highest priced acts, but Rolling stones has an interesting list of the most lucrative acts at http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/9447993/the _richest_rock_stars_of_2006. Here's the top 10. How many do you think are selling tickets to young new fans compared to middle-aged fans looking to relive their youth?

U2, $154.2 million
The Rolling Stones, $92.5 million
Eagles, $63.2 million
Paul McCartney, $56 million
Elton John, $48.9 million
Neil Diamond, $44.7 million
Jimmy Buffett, $44 million
Rod Stewart, $40.3 million
Dave Matthews Band, $39.6 million
Celine Dion, $38.5 million

It's worth noting that Barenaked Ladies are at least 6 times bigger than Avril Lavigne...

There is something I have not read in any of the comments and I think it is interesting. It may not be directly to parent post but I did not see where to attach it.

Talking about games sold at Walmart, Walmart is a store that sells goods for the general public, they profit for selling quantity, that is why they can have very cheap prices (of course they also reduce costs). One of the key factors of Walmart success in bringing industries to their knees is the diversification of productds, as a side example there is the Record industries case, you can not find a more evil industry than the RIAA and they are whinning because for Walmart they are just another comodity (in that way I love Walmart).

Something similar is happening with the games industry. Walmart will push publishers in order to sell more and more items. But for Walmart games are not the primary income, and they could easly remove games from their inventory without a big loss, on the other side for the game industry (and the other industries) being removed from Walmart is absolutely unthinkable.

Now where I wanted to get is to the point that, Walmart will always sell what *sells more* to the masses, and here, Nintendo comes to my mind. You see, the question is, how many of the people that go to buy at Walmart have games that will be a good one. On that way, it is on this shop where potential consumers are. You will never see a non gamer (for example, my father) go to Gameworld or Nintendo shop or whatever, but he, as I usually goes through all the aisles in Walmart every month or 15 days when he does shopping.

So the question is, how to get the attention of those persons. I think Nintendo has it right because of its *gimmick*. Take for example if my father passes through the games/videos aisle and, after glancing at the movies sees the playstation or the xbox, he might see the box and the controllers, and he will quickly associate it as something difficult. But with Nintendo he surely will see that new *gimmick* and maybe try to give it a try (at the Nintendo demo units). And who knows maybe he will liike it.

Anyways, it may seem as a unrelated plug but I believe there is a great potential there. Walmart will always push the products that sell more, if any of the game companies can attract the people that buy tomatoes at walmart they will surely win.

As for the related article/summary, I think Walmart does "control" game design, but just because of the demand/supply economy, not because they are evil.

As another irrelevant note, I remember a professor expert in Data Mining who told us that part ofthe WalMart success is that they have on the biggest databases in existence, because for every purchase you do they save *every item* you get and all the corresponding information (date/time and quantity). He told us a story about the reason of why pampers are at the side of the beers, and that is because on fridays the husband returns very tired to the house after working, and the wife asks him to go to buy pampers for the baby, he then goes to the shop and when he grabs the pampers and sees the beer he thinks "okey, I have done good coming to buy pampers, then my wife wont be mad if I return and drink a six". It seems stupid but it is quite relevant, and is one of the things that Data Mining provide (which simple data bases query does not provide) which is data relations (information) that you do not know that existed.

the top earner

U2
Touring = $62.1 million
Recording = $15 million
Publishing = $11.3 million
Net = $61.9 million

...I would be in one of those bands, and we dont even make fuel costs for most gigs...

I don't really see your point. If I sang in local venues I wouldn't get paid at all, so you are better than me but not good enough to make it pay.

Just because you decide to do something doesn't entitle you to make money from it.

Whoops, here's the link to the source I used.

Some African tribes have women who don't cover their chests. When traveling to the United States, what do you think would happen if they walked on the street like that? They would be arrested.

Of course, over time, Americans have liberalized their rules concerning womens dress. For example bikinis are now ok (depending on how much they show), wheras in the past they would have gotten women arrested.

What's my point? Well, we have an American Taliban lurking in the background, currently allied with the Bush administration. When they finally take power, I imagine women's clothing styles will be quite restricted. (Don't believe me? Well, in my local grocery store, the covers of many magazines are covered with white plastic to cover up their "risque" content, and we aren't talking Playboy or Penthouse here. These are the people who were key in electing Bush for the second term, even more than the first.)

I find it ironic that it is the anti-liberal Republican zealots who speak of America's relative liberalism as a selling point against Islam. (To be fair, the neo-cons are very liberal compared to the Dominionists it's an alliance of convenience as long as the Dominionists are pro-Israel. Considering the neocons actual political beliefs, they've made a Devil's bargain, but I suspect they don't take the Dominionists seriously. Fools.)

as another poster has pointed out, zero means no rating, so we're talking 16 times. Now: imagine the worst song you don't delete: it's fair that a dozen turds together should get less of your time than a gem. Or, in other words, if you have two 5-star gem cd's, and 24 CD's of more or less crap, then short of deleting them, you should certainly not have to hear much more (as you suggest) than one song from one of the crap CD's for each good song on one of the good CD's! Imagine if for every +5 mod'd post on slashdot, you had to read through many more posts at 0 until you could see the next one? If anything, the algorithm should give LESS than 1/2 as much weight for each fewer star (to the point that some people hard-hide posts at 0 and -1 -- they don't even know they're there!)

I believe that each star should be one standard deviation, and that the mean should be at 2, and that 0 should not be "no rating" but "total and worthless crap (like -1 on slashdot). Like: if I recorded myself shitting and looped it for the length of a song (remember The Turd Report troll ["News for Turds. Stuff that splatters"] on slashdot?), that's what 0 should be. It doesn't really need to be more fine-grained than that.

Then 1 should be one standard deviation below the average, two stars should be about average, three stars should be a standard deviation above average, and four stars should be two standard deviations above the average.

Five stars is if you'd gladly memorize the entire 72 minutes of the CD. (Although, in practice, I think it would have to be like Slashdot's +5 posts.)

I think it is fair to listen to more than 40 hours of mostly fantastic music and some good music before being subjected to three minutes of a song so awful you have to skip it: therefore, I think a 2-base logarithm decays too slowly. Under "Rules for normally distributed data" in the Standard Deviation Wikipedia article you can note that I propose lumping the low-end green and brown to 0-stars, the low blue to one star (*), the high-blue to two stars (**) the high brown to three stars (***) and the high green to ****.

This accounts for 99.73% of all music, half of the remainder of which is "better" than four-stars, meaning 0.135% of music in the whole of the iTunes music store should be at 5-stars (my definition is, I'd gladly memorize every second of the CD-length).

the iTunes music store says: "Featuring more than 2 million songs", so there is 2,700 songs or about 270 CD's worth memorizng. That is more selective than The Rolling Stones 500 Greatest Albums of All Time, but then I don't think anyone would like to hear those 500 albums enough to memorize them. I would not consider it inappopriate to spend 75% of my time listening to the 2700 songs off of iTunes that are rock-solid five-star songs, since my definition is that they're pretty much good enough to memorize. Any one of those songs might very well be good enough to listen to more or less attentively for a few hours straight, under the right circumstances or with the right intention.

It's in the print edition hitting mailboxes right now. It mentions Pandora, last.fm, and three others. It hit their website yesterday.

I'm not a fan of steeling, but after seeing stories like this: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/915651 6 I'm not going to cry for anyone. When Mick and the boys can make $162 million in North America alone, who needs record sales? When they charge you over $100 to see the show, they should give you the CD for free!

Great response. Much appreciated.

I guess to respond to the Bush-Cheney point (which I would certainly still support, though throwing it out there rather casually does come from being insulated in an environment of disdain for this administration). But to be more specific, I was referring to the campaigns success in creating an association between Kerry's intellectual nature and speaking style and general sentiments of distrust. They successfully took a president who made a point of avoiding information more than any president in recent memory and acting on his gut and were able to use these traits as selling points. It seems there are a lot of people who think there is a strong correlation between how much you would want a particular person at your BBQ and how much you would want that person in your Oval Office. This approach was perceived to have a lot of resonance with Americans, and good or bad, I think its fair to say that if what we describe as "anti-intellectualism" was not as strong in America, this approach would have been less successful.

I do agree that many accusations of "anti-intellectualism" are rooted in a form of elitism, though just because the E-word has a negative connotation, I don't regard it as negatively as some. Critics of anti-intellectualism (like myself) don't believe that people with less education or a less intellectual/analytical approach are as suited to solve many problems compared to those who are more educated or more intellectual/analytical. This is exemplified in the ID arguments by the general perception that religious authorities are just as valid judges of what constitutes science as those who practice science. Or that presidents who make a point of ignoring information and viewpoints that conflict with their own are just as well suited to make decisions as presidents who don't try and shield themselves from information that conflicts with their guts.

There was an interesting article in Rolling Stone about ID ( http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/80 92015 ) that argued that the ID proponents big secret was that their intentions were religious and they didn't truly respect the scientific process and looked upon scientists with distrust, but that the other side's big secret was that they didn't truly respect religious viewpoints and looked upon religious people with disdain.

So I agree it is a problem when "pro-intellectuals" have disdain for people they deem less educated or informed. But even if we all may be in the same big boat of humanity, personally, I'd rather not have many of the smaller points such as science and foreign policy sink because we are afraid to admit that we'd rather have people who are educated about sailing captain these boats.

Yes, Real today launched the beta Helix-powered www.Rhapsody.com, a Web version of the music service that offers consumers a free and legal way to play full length songs from all the major music labels. Any US-based consumer can freely access up to 25 songs/mo, via the new www.Rhapsody.com site and for the first time Linux and Mac users can experience Rhapsody.

The music service enables your favorite browser (IE, Firefox, or Safari) to instantly find, listen, and share, for free, up to 25 full tracks (from 1.4M+ songs) per month. Consumers also get free, unlimited access to 25 commercial-free radio stations.

There is NO credit card registration required to begin using the service and the music industry is compensated for each song played via Rhapsody.com

Real also introduced its new Rhapsody Web Services initiative, which will enable Web sites to access Rhapsody music services. Web portals, community sites, music sites, and other web sites wanting to integrate music services into their web experience can now access services such as song playback and editorial content.

The new Rhapsody Web Services initiative will enable websites to integrate Rhapsody music services. Tools for Web sites to create links, called "Rhaplinks," to individual music tracks, full albums, and radio stations that can be integrated into their Web sites and that enable immediate playback from Rhapsody.com;

* XML feeds, including RSS, of Rhapsody editorial information about music, which third party Web sites can integrate directly into their sites -- such as new releases, top 10 tracks, and top 10 albums.

* A blog for developers to participate in the future roadmap and development of the Rhapsody Web Services initiative.

More information can be found at http://www.rhapsody.com/webservices.

Initial companies supporting Rhapsody.com and the Rhapsody Web Services initiative include Comcast, RollingStone.com, and MSN. Specific implementations include:

* Comcast became the first service provider to launch a new Web-based Rhapsody radio service. The Comcast Rhapsody Web Radio service is currently available to Comcast's 8.1M broadband customers. The service further complements Comcast's online music offering, which also includes: Rhapsody Radio PLUS, Rhapsody Unlimited, and Rhapsody To Go. Comcast Rhapsody Radio provides 50 commercial-free, genre-based stations (www.comcast.net/music).

* RollingStone.com, the official online presence for pop culture icon Rolling Stone, has integrated Rhapsody web services technology throughout its site. The new site, http://www.rollingstone.com/ enables visitors to sample full length free tracks in Rhapsody and view music videos along with the magazine's archive of groundbreaking music news coverage, feature articles, interviews, photos, movie/album reviews and in-depth political reporting.

* In the coming weeks, Rhapsody.com will be available within Microsoft's WiMP 10, and in the coming months, MSN will be using Rhapsody Web Services to integrate Rhapsody into its MSN Search, MSN Messenger and MSN Music services.

For more information, visit http://www.rhapsody.com./

I think I'll go and buy myself a chocolate with the first dollar I'd earn from this list.

And is your favourite at the top?
No.
Top 10?
No.
Top 20?
No.
Must be in the top 50 right?
No.
OK, somewhere in the top 100?
No, again.

Oh well, who cares what Rolling Stone says, eh?

I agree that it's delusional and counterproductive to think that violence is never an appropriate response, and yes the level of violent political and social oppression in the US is in no way comparable to what Pol Pot or Stalin did (although blacks and native americans living here a couple hundred years ago might disagree). But my point wasn't that life in the US is as bad as life under Saddam in Iraq. It's that life in Iraq is as bad, if not worse now than it was when Saddam was in power. Getting rid of a bad guy, even for the wrong reasons, would have been fine by me if we'd managed the situation properly, but there's more violence there now than there ever was under Saddam. There are US soldiers doing night raids on houses based on lousy intelligence--often from people who just have a personal score to settle with the invadees or people rotting away in prisons for months or years after the cia and military have determined they're no threat (although if they ever get out that might not be the case after the way they were treated). Soft torture? you may want to read that link I included above. People have been beaten to death in US custody, mauled by dogs, and sodomized (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story?id=638 8256). I'm not talking about that fraternity house "simulated sodomy" boys-will-be-boys horseplay stuff. I'm talking about fucking teenage boys up the ass with fluorescent light tubes. Call me crazy, but that's just not how the world's bright shining beacon of liberty and freedom is supposed to act.

When is Apple going to start signing musicians - in effect, become a record label?

Well, it would be very easy for us to sign up a musician. It would be very hard for us to sign up a young musician that was successful. Because that's what the record companies do. Their value is in picking that 1 out of 5,000. We don't do that.

We think there's a lot of structural changes that are probably gonna happen in the record industry, though. We've talked to a large number of artists that really don't like their record company, and I was curious about that. And the general reason they don't like the record company is because they think they've been really successful, but they've only earned a little bit of money.

They feel they've been ripped off.

They feel. But then, again, the music companies aren't making a lot of money right now ... so where's the money going? Is it inefficiency? Is somebody going to Argentina with suitcases full of hundred-dollar bills? What's going on?

And it turns out, after talking to a lot of people, this is my conclusion. A young artist gets signed, and they get a big advance -- a million dollars, or more. And the theory is that the record company will earn back that advance as the artist is successful.

Except that even though they're really good at picking, still, only one or two out of the ten that they pick is successful. And so, for most of the artists, they never earn back that advance -- so they're out that money. Well, who pays for the ones that are the losers?

proper links:

Laffer's curve: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve
Walmart's 10$ CD: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/655854 0

sorry

The record industry is too anachronistic to have the foresight to create this solution themselves and are still obsessed with selling a solid medium (LPs, tapes, CDs), while treating its customers as criminals and artists as expendable commodities that can ignore paying royalties if they can help it

A brief look at the practices of the record industry reveals that they are the dishonest lot:

Apple earns less than a nickel per iTunes track

States settle CD price-fixing case

RIAA Continues Distributing Dud CDs to Satisfy Settlement

A music industry case study Shows how little the artist makes thanks to middle men like the record industry

Wal-Mart Wants $10 CDsRemember when CDs first came out and people said it was too expensive and the record industry promised that it would go below $10 eventually. Never happened

How Apple saved the music biz

FTC: Labels charged with price-fixing - again

Music Firms to Look Harder For Artists Owed Royalties Spitzer announced a settlement in which the nation's five largest recording companies promised to do a better job of tracking down and paying $50 million in unclaimed royalties to thousands of performers.

Finally, last night 2005-Sep-29 on Nightly Business Review (NBR) was a four part series on the music industry. It shows how iTMS allowed one relatively unknown electronica artist sell directly to her consumers with the iTMS . Her music was featured on NPR and then people all over the world wanted to download and listen to her music. Stores like iTMS are the great equalizer from years of abuse from the greedy record labels. "The Business of Music,"-Part 4: The Down Low On Download Distribution

Sensenbrenner is your basic Fat Evil Prick, perfectly cast as a dictatorial committee chairman: He has the requisite moist-with-sweat pink neck, the dour expression, the penchant for pointless bile and vengefulness.

Plain and simple, gas prices in Europe are high because of taxes.

It would be more accurate to say that US oil prices are so low because of taxes. The 2nd para of this article gives examples of both direct and indirect subsidies.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/720363 3

"Apple strives to protect the rights of both intellectual property owners and consumers alike and believes there is a 'middle path' in digital music distribution which actively discourages the theft of music, while at the same time preserving consumers rights to manage and listen to their legally acquired music on whatever devices they own," -- Steve Jobs, 2002 Grammy Awards.

"When we first went to talk to these record companies -- you know, it was a while ago. It took us 18 months. And at first we said: None of this technology that you're talking about's gonna work. We have Ph.D.'s here, that know the stuff cold, and we don't believe it's possible to protect digital content." -- Steve Jobs: The Rolling Stone Interview, December 03, 2003

Because, scientifically, there is no real debate anymore over whether or not man is impacting the climate and causing global warming.

Sorta like the thimerosal and autism thing. Although there we have prominent liberals such as Robert F. Kennedy Jr. claiming a scientific-corporate conspiracy.

Moral of the story: there seems to be an approximate parity between rightwing and leftwing anti-science nutcases.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/720363 3/

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