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"... if you had clicked the second link in the article."

That's confusing. I quoted from the second link in the summary. The second link in the article, NSW starts school netbook rollout includes nothing about hackability.

Your excellent argument: However, that second link in the article does support your excellent argument about Slashdot supporting Microsoft advertising: 'According to Gillard, the netbooks came with "$5,500 of the latest Microsoft and Adobe software".'

Someone should send a letter to the Sourceforge, Inc. CEO, Scott Kauffman" and ask if Slashdot editors or anyone else at Sourceforge is allowed to accept money to run articles that are in fact advertisements.

Note that Mr. Kauffman is an advertising executive. That's helpful to my understanding, because, of all the technically-oriented companies with which I have had awareness over a period of decades, Sourceforge seems to me to be the most technically clueless. Everything Sourceforge does seems to me to be slightly below mediocre technically.

Sourceforge CEO Kauffman is said to have been involved with numerous companies, for example, PopTok This article is interesting: It's Alive!: PopTok Combines Emoticons With Movie Quotes. PopTok is an "Israeli company". Perhaps Mr. Kauffman's connections with Israel explain the fact that Slashdot has run several stories about Israeli startups that seem to be more schemes to get investor money than startups with real technical futures.

The Wikipedia article says, "Kauffman then spent time in turn with eCoverage, a direct-to-consumer online insurance company, Coremetrics, and (as President and CEO) MusicNow, an online music service partnered with FullAudio. In 2005, he ran the San Francisco-based digital-magazine service provider Zinio."

What is wonderful is that a government is realizing that making sure that students have laptops is an investment in the future of the country, and that everyone having the same system makes teaching easier.

Technically, by publishing your comments here, you retain full copyright just like everything else you've ever written under the Berne Convention by default. /. is even nicer, since in the SourceForge TOS Sec. 13 says that they'll help you if you get your stuff copied without permission and it ends up on one of their websites. A lot of TOS don't even have explicit compliance with the DMCA, love it or hate it (or both).

Your idea that the site should include some boilerplate that says all content is licensed under the GNU GPL or CC-BY-NC-ND would be exactly the opposite of what you want, I think. If they were to do that, they would be stripping the users from the right of total control of their works. Any license that automatically strips authors of their rights to determine how their work promulgates (I'm looking at you, GPL!) to me, at least, seems abusive.

And while IANAL, IAALS, and as such, this is not legal advice, I can't even be your lawyer if I wanted and all that fun stuff.

I don't understand why project was deleted from SF? I mean, DMCA is used only in USA

SourceForge, Inc. is headquartered in Mountain View, California, USA.

so I, plus couple of other people, don't give a flying fuck about that.

Then host your projects in your own country, not on a U.S. server.

Ever seen that thing at the bottom of the page that says 'Terms of Use'?

"The hell they don't. You're visiting their web site hosted on their hardware, at their expense, and maintained with their time/money."

Wrong. They choose to build their website, host it on their hardware, at their expense, and maintain it with their time/money. And they're free to choose to show ads.

They're also free to choose to disable access to people who block them, and suffer any reduced exposure / revenue that may result. But making that choice costs them; they don't want the opportunity cost, but they want the potential exposure / revenue.

They take the old adage "You have to spend money to make money", shorten it to their advantage and at your expense, and end up with "You have to ... make money".

Who's the real leech - the person using a website with AdBlock turned on, or the person who built that website and wants everybody but him to pay for it?

There's vanishingly few examples where the former is the case. I'll remind you that /. is owned by SourceForge, Inc - a publicly-listed company with a market cap of over $62 million dollars.

In this case I would expect the /. management to first ask their lawyer about the validity of the request and if their lawyer says it is valid and should be answered to, I would expect the /. management to do so and reveal all available information.

And they would most likely post everything on the front page as well for all to see what has happened.

/. after all is a discussion board, and a commercial enterprise. They are not in the business of fighting court cases, that's what EFF is for.

The main question here is what information does /. keep about their posters (both anonymous and not anonymous), and for how long is it kept. Are anonymous coward's IP addresses kept after closing of a discussion, for example? There is no need to keep it to e.g. prevent moderating by the poster.

Your IP address is also stored when voting on the poll, limiting you to one vote per day. This information is apparently used for one day only, but is it still kept after that or all deleted?

Maybe it's time to start reading the privacy statement.

Correct, you have no reasonable expectation of privacy on the internet.

You do, however, have a reasonable expectation of anonymity. The courts' logic that you should NOT have anonymity based on having no reasonable expectation of privacy is what I disagree with.

Suppose you put on a ski mask and a tshirt that says "I wish to remain anonymous" and then go skateboarding in the park. If you fall and scrape your knee and go home to get a bandage, there is no preventing someone from observing your height/weight/eyecolor, following you to your driveway, or gathering a blood sample off the curb and determining your identity from the available information regardless of your superficial attempts at concealment.

You do not post on Slashdot to communicate with CmdrTaco. You post on Slashdot to engage in PUBLIC discussion with other members of the Public. If we could view stories and add comments, but our comments could only be seen by CT, there wouldn't be a million or so users at Slashdot.

What you do have when you post anonymously is a reasonable expectation of anonymity from other members of the Public. What you do not have is a reasonable expectation of anonymity from Slashdot's servers, administrators, owners, or officials of any jurisdiction that those servers, admins, and owners are subject to.

From http://web.sourceforge.com/privacy-statement

Please be advised that in certain instances, it may be necessary for SourceForge to disclose a userâ(TM)s personally identifiable information without a userâ(TM)s permission to government officials or otherwise as required by legal obligations. SourceForge may disclose such personally identifiable information when responding to subpoenas, court orders, or legal process, or to establish or exercise legal rights or defend against claims, including fraud or infringement investigations. ...
To prevent unauthorized access or disclosure, maintain data accuracy, and ensure the appropriate use of information, SourceForge implements physical, electronic, and managerial procedures to safeguard and secure the information SourceForge collects. SourceForge uses encryption when collecting or transferring sensitive personally identifiable information. However, SourceForge does not guarantee that unauthorized third parties will never defeat measures taken to prevent improper use of personally identifiable information.

Internal SourceForge access to usersâ(TM) nonpublic personally identifiable information is restricted to SourceForgeâ(TM)s administrators and individuals on a need-to-know basis. These individuals are bound by confidentiality agreements.

Every president to date has advocated a significant amount of socialism... the economic term. They are socialists in that regard. They have not been socialist as in members of that political party, but then that has nothing to do with the economics we were discussing.

I did not imply they were socialists of a political party. Some terms are or can be mutually exclusive. Furthermore, you really ought to provide a reference for the BS you spout. The fact that - by some definitions - most government activity can be regarded as socialism, in no way implies that they were socialists or "advocated" it. As for AC, the difference between you and me is that I have not agreed to a bullshit ToC. I simply have no registration. Now, in addition to all the homework you have (evidence of every president being a socialist) you also must define your terms. Keep in mind, the words most still have meaning when you are done. If you define black and you define white such that they are the same, then you have failed (again).

With respect to text or data entered into and stored by publicly-accessible site features such as forums, comments and bug trackers ("SourceForge Public Content"), the submitting user retains ownership of such SourceForge Public Content; with respect to publicly-available statistical content which is generated by the site to monitor and display content activity, such content is owned by SourceForge. In each such case, the submitting user grants SourceForge the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, and display such Content (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed, all subject to the terms of any applicable license.

Thank you for playing. Better luck next time.

When requested, each SourceForge Site user must: (1) personally provide true, accurate, current and complete information on the SourceForge Site's registration form (collectively, the "Registration Data") and (2) maintain and promptly update the Registration Data as necessary to keep it true, accurate, current and complete.

Read the Slashdot TOS! Think about the MySpace case. What would a judge or jury say about a "throwaway" email address? It doesn't sound true, accurate, current, or complete. This is why I always post AC - no registration. More /. TOS fun:

SourceForge reserves the right to change these general practices at any time, in its sole discretion, with notice to users and the public as described in Section 1 above.

Taco and his fucking friends live in a glass house.

It would be quite logical for the Nobelists to get considerably more exposure for the mere fact they on the prize. I would think merely referencing a paper from an author who'd made it up there would give your own research more attention than it would otherwise.

This would be quite obvious, but then again what is Google for anyway?

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Have you read the Terms of Service lately?

Who cares? Outside the US

Slashdot is inside the US. Its parent company is headquartered in California, and Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda runs the site from an office in Michigan.

That would easily serve the european market

I speak English and a little Spanish, but my Spanish would probably look like Engrish to Spaniards. Are networks in Ireland and the United Kingdom as unrestricted as you claim those on the continent are?

Basically — the "O" stands for OSTG, which used to be the name of Slashdot's owner SourceForge, Inc. You'll also see "/." next to Slashdot staff usernames.

How is this a story? The language is fairly common among services that allow user materials to be uploaded.

It's not a story. It's stupid fearmongering perpetuated by blazing fuckwits who like to hop on the hate bandwagon.

These kinds of terms are necessary for services where copyrighted material is hosted. Otherwise, they don't have permission to serve your content to other users, which is the whole point of the service.

From Slashdot's terms of use :

In each such case, the submitting user grants SourceForge the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, and display such Content (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed, all subject to the terms of any applicable license.

Everybody who thinks this is some kind of evil scheme by Google to rob content should now leave Slashdot, for they are doing exactly the same thing.

This TOS needs commentary.

There are many choice tidbits, including this one from section 5:

SourceForge reserves the right to refuse or delete any Content of which it becomes aware and reasonably deems not to fulfill the Most Holy Purposes laid down by CmdrTaco and CowboyNeal....

Okay, maybe not, but what if...?

No it isn't.

To illustrate, you are currently breaking Slashdot's Terms of Service and are thus a felon.
http://web.sourceforge.com/terms-use

2. NO UNLAWFUL OR PROHIBITED USE

By using SourceForge Sites, you warrant to SourceForge that you will not use SourceForge Sites, or any of the content obtained from SourceForge Sites, for any purpose that is unlawful or prohibited by these Terms[...]

1) Failing to comply with Slashdot's ToS is a crime.
2) If you commit a crime, you failed to comply with Slashdot's ToS.
3) Goto 1 (and federal jail for 5 years)

Recently I've seen a lot of posts bitching and moaning about /. user twitter.

http://web.sourceforge.com/terms-use

Please report any violations of the Terms (except for claims of intellectual property infringement) to the SourceForge Site Director at admin@corp.sourceforge.com.

If (s)he isn't violating the TOS, then just STFU & let it go.
Otherwise, report the user and let the admins make up their mind.

Complaining about it has obviously not caused Taco or the other Overlords to muzzle twitter.
More importantly, karma works, twitter posts at 0 or -1, as do the sock puppet accounts.

This is all offtopic, but it keeps coming up... And its funny:
I don't see/notice twitter's posts, but I can't get away from the complaints about 'em.

You're obviously posting anonymously to avoid paying my reading fee, which you agreed to by reading my message. Since all comments are owned by the poster (see below), and licenses you can't read before hand are enforcable (according to you), you owe me $50. So, please pay up or I'll have to call a collection agency.

In each such case, the submitting user grants SourceForge the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, and display such Content (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed, all subject to the terms of any applicable license.

Yes, to some extent, until someone re-engineers your code. And like patents, not sharing code is considered evil too!

Though I'm not against Open Source neither against Free Software, I consider it good enough too be able to keep you code closed if you really want to and other people should understand that. I even consider patents not evil until they are not to generic.

The reason that "free" sounds good and tastes good (if you manage to get free beer) is you are not paying for it. But understand that "free" is a very simple term to describe the economics around Open Source and Free Software. Somewhere someone has spent time (thus money) building it and that "someone" has a tummy which he needs to fill up, and he needs money for that.

Before brickbats are thrown at me and I get modded down :) , just for the information sake, I too have contributed in my own right to the Open Source community. Here's the link http://xstress.sourceforge.com/ to one of my projects apart from other small efforts of mine.

The reason for posting the above link it not to boast, as the code and the concept are very trivial, it is there just to show that I'm not against Open Source or Free Software, but just to make a point that Free as in beer is free for you but not for the one who serves it to you.

Yeah, SourceForge, Inc.

The slashdot audience might be largely pro-open source, which indeed may render your statement true. I am not sure you can apply that same label to slashdot itself as a corporate entity.

Today Slashdot is owned by SourceForge, Inc., but it is still run by many of the same people as it was 'Back in the Day'.

Combining user-developed content, online marketplaces and e-commerce, SourceForge is the global technology community's nexus for information exchange, goods for geeks, and open source software distribution and services.

With respect to text or data entered into and stored by publicly-accessible site features such as forums, comments and bug trackers ("SourceForge Public Content"), the submitting user retains ownership of such SourceForge Public Content; with respect to publicly-available statistical content which is generated by the site to monitor and display content activity, such content is owned by SourceForge. In each such case, the submitting user grants SourceForge the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, and display such Content (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed, all subject to the terms of any applicable license.

Each user shall indemnify, defend and hold harmless SourceForge, and its parent corporation and affiliates and their respective officers, employees and agents, and each of SourceForge's website partners, from any and all claims, demands, damages, costs, and liabilities including reasonable attorneys' fees, made by any third party due to or arising out of that user's acts or omissions, including claims arising out of that user's use of the SourceForge Sites; his or her submission, posting or transmission of Content or his or her violation of the Terms.

EACH USER'S USE OF THE SourceForge SITES IS AT HIS OR HER SOLE RISK. ... yadayadayada

[This post was removed for violating Slashdot's Terms of Service.]

Because you missed it the first time .....

http://web.sourceforge.com/news_archive/2007/1799. php

VA Software Corporation (Nasdaq: LNUX), the online media and e-commerce leader in community-driven open source innovation, today announced it has changed its name to SourceForge, Inc. The change reflects the company's strategic focus on its network of Web properties following the disposition of its enterprise software business. The company's Nasdaq ticker symbol will remain the same.

Actually we are not manipulating anything at all. Just taking a linux box with shorewall like you would if it was stand alone setup.

So, in short, everything is based on what the stack of the packet filtering OS (*NIX) and the standards that it adheres to!

To answer you question about any problems, we are still looking for feedback from the community as far as bugs and what-not go. Also looking for developers. It's been released as Open Source and can be downloaded either from VMware.com or http://sievefirewall.sourceforge.com./

Kennieth Goodwin
kenny@skyfinet.com

It seems to me that there are two camps inside Microsoft: the developers and the management. The developers seem to want to do cool things. They are reaching out to the development community. (With open source, coding4fun, blogging, channel9, etc). But the management is still trying to hold on to the old ways and the cash cows.

Depends on the processes. However if what you're after is something to take in a bunch of files, call a command-line program (or programs) to munge them in some way, and spit them out elsewhere, Python isn't a bad tool for connecting the dots. It's not blindingly fast itself, but if you're just using it for scripting then no problems there.

Python's default GUI provision is a bit basic though. If you want to build a Python user interface quickly, the PMW widget set (http://pmw.sourceforge.com/ is worth a look.

Grab.

This is a welcome move in some respects, it certainly shows that VIA now considers the Linux user as a valuable customer base that must be supported.

However, there is already a thriving open source driver implementation for this platform: link providing code that was based on a version of VIA's code that they released to a limited number of open source developers a few years ago.

It is also worth noting that the "VIA Open Source" package still relies on a proprietary binary library to provide MPEG acceleration on their hardware. This library provides a completely non-standard API that applications must interface to to implement MPEG support. This is in contrast with the Unichrome project's solution, providing full source code for their MPEG implementation and implementing the standard and well established XvMC API in their driver.

The Unichrome project has also been responsible for implementing support for VIA MPEG acceleration in Xine, MPlayer , MythTV. Again this contrasts with VIA's solution to application support which has resulted in them producing forked VIA specific versions of Xine [VeXP] and MPlayer [VeMP] without involving the donor projects in the process or contributing back to them.

Along with many performance, feature and stability enhancements to the codebase the Unichrome project has also been responsible for reorganising and cleaning the codebase to a state that is now acceptable for inclusion in the base X.org source tree and resolving the security issues in the DRM code so that it can be included in the official Linux kernel.

It is, therefore, a shame that VIA decided to make this grandiose eye catching announcement, rather than just getting involved in the existing open source communities and simply helping and contributing to the Unichrome, Xine, MPlayer and MythTV projects. That might have been less eye catching or press release friendly, but it would certainly be a better way to win friends in the Linux community.

Gratuitous links from a lone coder, who would stoop to such depths ?

1. Max out the RAM you can afford. Don't buy them at Apple.com, though.
   
2. You will need to re-learn and familiar yourself to the Mac's GUI philosophy. For example, the menu bar is always at the top. You need to get use to new keyboard shortcuts. Don't be frustrated at the change, it's not as difficult as you may think. You just need time. To make it easier, forget about being a power user right away. Mac OS X is flexible enough that you can do many things differently. As you familiarize yourself, start picking hints for doing things more efficiently (tips and tricks).
   
3. When you are stuck at a task, usually the answer is simpler than you think. Many converts try to find a complex answer when it is actually staring at them on the screen. Sometimes, simplicity is hard for people used to runabout ways.
   
4. One button mouse. This always comes up. Mac OS X and apps writen using Apple's guideline are operable using one button mouse. Simple as that. But, you can use CTRL key and the mouse button to simulate a right click. However, if you are a power user or you really prefer multi-button mouse, simply use your old USB mouse. No driver installation is needed.
   
5. If you are familiar with linux, you'll find almost at home with Mac OS X. CLI is a click away and many open source apps support Mac OS X. sourceforge.com is a good start. For searching apps, google helps alot, but it's easier to go to VersionTracker first.
   
6. Lastly, visit lots of Mac websites. You'll find that Mac communities are a helpful bunch. One site you shouldn't miss is MacSurfer. It's a Mac news clearinghouse. It has links to news, rumors, tips, tricks, deals, etc.. From there, you'll find many links to other Mac sites (at the bottom of the page). You can also visit Apple Insider for their excellent forum where you can discuss problems and speculate on rumors.

0.nvidia drivers
1.amsn
2.firefox
3.mplayer+codecs
4.ogle
5.btdownloadcurses.py


After that I restore my porn/mp3 collection. I can usually go for several weeks before having to install anything else. As I need them, I install..

6.RealOne player (to listen to BBC 2)
7.WineX
8.$Nes_Emulator
9.mpgtx (for joining mpeg files)

OK, I was wrong, Limewire is under GPL. (Not that you could tell, looking at limewire.com -- but limewire.org reveals all.) Somebody else posted about something called DVArchive, something for fooling with your ReplayTV. Moneydance was announced recently, and might get popular. Anything else?

When you have 200 gigs of space its not like you are going to run out any time soon. I personally have more than 250 albums, and 5000 songs sitting on my hard drive right now -- nearly all lossless. How much do they take up? About 50 gigs, but I have another 150 or so left to spare. And sure transfering them over the internet takes a bit longer, but it is well worth it for the improved sound.

Some say they can't hear the difference. Some said the same thing about CD's verses cassettes. Likely you have a poor pair of speakers, or in some cases a poor set of ears. Or maybe you don't care, thats a valid reason. But if you don't fall into those catagories I'd recommend moving to lossless compressed codecs. Compression for lossless tracks has come down to about double a 320 mp3, which is pretty darn good.

Check out Monkey's Audio or FLAC, two of the best, -- your ears will thank you.

(now all I need is a iTunes-compatible OS X port...anyone?)

Hmm. Here's a guy who purports to be an "average user", yet he is listed on SourceForge as a Project Admin!!!

Oh yeah! Here's his page on Freshmeat listing other projects.

If only the average users I know could do these things. By the way, I wonder how much he is getting paid by Micro$oft to promulgate these lies.

You are basically right, I think. Linux is making huge strides every day, and this is just another notch in the stick with which Linux will beat Microsoft about the face.

Linux has shown superiority over Windows in nearly every category. There are a few areas, such as compatability with mp3 players and other popular peripherals, compatability with the latest Office standards, and any serious desktop publishing, where Linux still lags a bit (though one need only check out SourceForge to see the attempted solutions slowly on the way), but with this release we can safely expect to see some big players "go Linux" Real Soon Now.

Go Mozilla!

Check out opie.handhelds.org/ For a great distro for handhelds. supports ipaq, zaurus, and I think others. This project, could do wonders, for unifying linux PDAs on a single platform.

With countless stories every day on how Microsoft is evil, and Microsoft practices must be stopped ( more articles than I could stomach usually ), I'm surprised on how eagerly slashdot jumps on their products. Guess what, you're funding them!!

By buying their products, you're speaking with the voice that counts, your money.

The zaurus is a great tool. I love mine. Everyone was raving yesterday about how the clie had a software writing area that's hideable, guess what, the zaurus has that. And it has a built in keyboard, and a screen keyboard, and a unicode keyboard...

And don't talk about software either. Because, there are tons of ARM linux software. In places like zaurus.sourceforge.com http://zaurusoft.com http://opie.handhelds.com http://myzaurus.com http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org http://www.debian.org/ports/arm

so go ahead. complain that microsoft is bullying the educational institutes, that their licenses prevent OEMs from distributing alternative OSes, that they want to prevent us from being able to buy computers without paying them everytime...

Then go buy their friggin' products.

We already have systems such as SourceForge to handle programs and other CVS systems exist...

My data... public?

I don't think so... I'll buy another 100gig drive before sending it off over the net to a public storage facility..

If I wanted secure off-site storage, I would turn to Sea Land

20 Miles from anywhere and it doesn't respect any court of law in the world... So thats what I call secure (Even from the DMCA).

SGI were doing it in at least 1993 - Filesystem Navigator (fsn) was available for free for the SGI Indigo. It's the thing with all the little cubes and spotlights for navigating files that you see in Jurassic Park.

More recently, there has been a plain-X11 version of a similar thing, but with really nicely done labelling, and good speed (no GL). I wish I could remember what it was called though! I think it was French.

There are a number of tools out there to provide 3D views of your machine's filesystem:

FSV is pretty cool looking, looking something like a model of a city, with directories and files being the "buildings."

If you want something a little more scifi, check out TDFSB, which offers a more first-person view and a tron-esque landscape filled with a wide variety of different shapes (actual images of image files, etc.). Note: you'll be much happier running TDFSB if you have a beefy video card...it sucks to have a visible frame rate when you ls -a :)

or you could run pure-ftpd for an even simpler install

Start interviewing project leaders of popular software titles at Freshmeat or Sourceforge.

Hmm. Is this the same person who asked about AS/400 access from Linux a few days ago? (The answer is the tn5250 for terminal and file xfer, and IBM's freely-available Java packages for richer AS/400 connectivity of all kinds, including administration and JDBC access to DB2/400.)

tn5250 also includes lp5250d, a daemon that will pass SCS print jobs to Unix print queues. Which is the opposite of what you're trying to do.

For you to use IPDS/SCS printers from Unix or Windows apps, you'll need either to do the translation through an AS/400 (create Windows/Unix print queues on your 400, and use it as a print server to get at the printers), or as others mentioned, get a new network module and possibly a Postscript or PCL cartridge for each of the printers. I'm pretty sure there aren't any free software PS-to-IPDS translators, but there may be some commercial ones. Check the AS/400 community sites like mindrange.com. There are active user communities out there and a lot of nice hacks and shareware for OS/400. Perl for the 400. Python for the 400. Tetris for the 5250 terminal, etc.

one way to show off your girlfriend. not too shabby. incase you're wondering what i'm talking about, take a look at SkyOS's latest screenshot. Not the most flattering picture, though, lol.

as a side thought, there's a lite version of mozzila called gecko...it's designed for easy portability (i think), which basically is why kmeleon exists....but how much effort is involved in porting gecko over to a new OS? from my POV, what really makes or breaks the popularity, or even someone bothering to download/test out an OS is a working psudeo-graphical web browser, no matter how buggy. MinuetOS was neat from my standpoint, b/c i could load it from a floppy, but after about 10 minutes of playing with it, it lost my interest. yes, i'm sure someone'll reply saying 'hey, why don't *you* volunteer to rewrite gecko to work on SkyOS? i would, but i'm not that much of a software hobbyist. i'd be more interested in writing up some sort of tutorial on how to convert gecko for your OS's needs, however contradictory that is to my previous statment. just a suggestion. as a side question, are there any tutorials like that out there? i haven't looked at the mozzila code myself, so i'm not sure how userfriendly the code is to need a tutorial in the first place.

Here.

This is one of the things that I feel we should be doing.

Vapourware!*@ I hear SourceForge is changing its domain name to VapourwareSource.com soon.

While SourceForge provides a hell of a lot of nice ideas and schematics for some great tools, its sad to see efforts aren't followed through on a lot of those great ideas.

How long will it take before ideas run dry especially when some of these prodcuts are thought up then hung out to dry never to be followed through? Maybe some of these developers should get together with others and focus on a strong product before just spitting an idea out, getting hopes raveled in the process only to drop it after a few months.

Corporations love this notion that the OpenSource industry can't get their act together and this is a major pitfall on the Unix side of the industry in hopes of creating the `Euphoric' notion of OpenSource being a better alternative than commercial ventures.

It can be viewed as a laugh to have such strong techological advances in the OpenSource field go up against the big guns only to have them fall on their asses because there were never any standardizations or follow-ups to keep the pressure on and prove that any new OpenSource project won't become vapourware in a few weeks/months/days.

Home sweet home

This looks like a for Jailbait Linux, the distribution that became popular as something that would install on the Netpliance I-Opener's 16MB ROM.

This time it's brought to us by OSDN, VA Linux, and all the assorted sites like Linux.com, Themes.org, SourceForge, ThinkGeek and what have you.

So, you mean it is sponsored by VA Linux.

I was looking at yesterday's top downloads at Sourceforge and Freenet is now first. I seen never seen it above 5th. Open Source Napster Server is now 2nd, I have never seen it in the top 10.