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$150 Linux Laptop for the Masses
Xemu writes "Inspired by Negroponte's laptop for children, the Swedish company Medison is now taking orders for their US$150 Linux laptop, the Medison Celebrity. The laptop is a 1.5 GHz Celeron M 370 with 14 inch screen, wireless network and it comes with Fedora Red Hat pre-installed." Update 2035 GMT by SM: As many readers have pointed out, the more you dig into the details of this company the more fishy it starts to seem. I would suggest any potential buyers be wary on this one.
That's nothing special.
On my laptop, I am running Fedora Red Hat CentOS.
But will it run Li- Oh. Right. Never mind.
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Among all available distributions, the company has installed Fedora, which by default does not come with installations of mplayer and other music software and libraries. This is a truly educational laptop where children will have to learn to use Linux and install software just to reach the end goal of watching porn. Finally, someone is not thinking of but thinking for the children.
"Pricing is based on the value of US Dollar and may therefore vary between countries and may also change without notice.
Specifiactions on the laptop can change without notice. The specifications can not be lower technology, though.
Availability of the Medison Celebrity model depends on how many orders we get per day. It might take one or two weeks longer to get the laptop.
Terms (date and price) of offer may change without notice.
Taxes vary from country to country and from state to state. Medison is not responsible for paying any additional taxes in your country or state.
Fees taken by our authorized partner 2CO are U$6.45 + 5,5% and extra on the price. Some smaller fees might be taken by your bank and varies on what bank and card you have.
Shipping and handling is taken care of by our partner MK Electronics.
You get what you pay for, I doubt this is any exception. No reason to make a fuss just yet.
Fedora Red Hat
Oh that's too cute! Is that a new Linux distro or something?
I use "OpenSolaris Sun" on my laptop.
At least you didn't say "But does it run Windows?". You'd never get out of this forum alive.
That's tough to swallow.
Oh, yeah, it's not easy to pad these out to 120 characters.
just in case you were wondering, it is not 64 bit.
It's a neat looking laptop, but info on the website is pretty scarce. For instance, what kind of battery life can I expect? Is it as upgradeable as normal laptop (eg. HDD and RAM)?
There is a lot of speculation currently about whether this is fraud. They may be intending to run away with the money and not send out any laptops.
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There's noarticles about it, and the website doesn't even mention the $150 price point. The specifications are far too superior to cost $150
So when when I cliek "buy now" not only do I get a different price, but I get a redirect to some place on Ohio, USA? I think the website has been hacked. No sale, thanks.
Breasts!
Which in the case of the OLPC it seems the problem *has* been solved!
Ubuntu is an African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'
....I for one Welcome our new third-world hacker overlords!
There is more to science than physics!
www.iomalfunction.blogspot.com
Yes.
Only old people (in Korea, no less) need a $150 laptop.
And can this laptop show me Natalie Portman and hot grits? Naked?
I'm sure I've missed a few. =)
Looks like a picture of an HP notebook.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon, Marshal of France - speaking truth to power
See comments from Engadget:i ty-150-of-linux-laptop-for-the-people
http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/25/medison-celebr
This one looks particularly concerning:
Johan Löfgren @ Jul 25th 2007 12:02PM
Hello fellas. I came across this site, when searching for information about this computer. With that pricetag, it would be a brilliant surf & chat computer for me.
I'm a swedish student, and I found an article in a larger web-newspaper in sweden and was amazed..
Sadly though, when reading comments all over, at swedish sites, this thing starts to smell very very rotten..
The speculation is about this beeing a scam, in the same way that you've mentioned above.
There's bankrupcy issues, lies at the homepage, weird and incomplete messages from the people behind this "madison" company. The screenshots of the computer, has been found at other manufacturers. Companies, that Madison claim to work with, hasn't heard of the connection..
The things above, has been discovered by many people, at different swedish sites. Even more than that.
The 4-6 week delivery time, sounds perfect to grab as much cash as possible and run.
No-one can find anyone with an example of this computer. People doesn't believe this thing even exist.
I recommend all of you, to wait and see how everything turns out here in sweden, before you buy this. As most swedes do right now.. Wait and see if the first computers arrive at all.
I hope that this isn't a scam. I'd love to buy one. I'd love if the promised "future generation" will arrive.
But this thing doesn't feel safe.
Cincearly
-Johan Löfgren. Orebro, Sweden
I read the faq on their website, but it doesn't mention battery life. I imagine that it would be pretty good considering the (relatively) low end components, but I've been wrong before.
I'm seriously interested in buying one of these guys. Not that I can't pick up an old laptop and install Linux on it, but I don't think I can pick up a laptop with all new components for $150.
Also it's guaranteed that all the components work/play well with Linux. That's a good feeling.
"It's a tarp!" -- Dyslexic Admiral Ackbar
which might bring the price to the USD 250-300 range. It seems the machines will be built in Brazil.
Is this real?
$150 for a laptop.
What's the catch.
Oh well, I bought one. We'll see if it's real or they run out ( from slashdot), and send a "so sorry".
* DISPLAY - 14.0" WXGA (1280x768) TFT
* HARD DRIVE - 40 GB
* DIMENSION - 333(W) x 243(D) x 24/33.(H)mm (front/back), 2.2Kg with 6 cells Lithium-lion battery
* MEMORY - 64-bit wide DDR data channel, One 200-pin SODIMM socket, supporting DDR 333/400, 256 MB Expandable up to 1GB, based on SODIMM Modules
* STORAGE - One changeable 2.5" 9.5mm(H) HDD, Supporting Master mode IDE ATA-33/66/100/133 (Ultra DMA), One changeable 12.7mm(H) CD/DVD Combo
* VIDEO CONTROLLER - VIA PN800 integration, Shared Memory Architecture up to 64MB, 128 bit 3D graphic engine, Support analog monitor pixel resolution up to 1920x1400, Support two displays dual view
* KEYBOARD - A4 size keyboard, Built-in Touchpad with scrolling function
* SOUND SYSTEM - AC'97 2.2 Compliant Interface, 3D stereo enhanced sound system, Sound-Blaster PROTM Compatible, S/PDIF Digital output (5.1 CH), 1x Built-in Microphone, 2x Built-in Speakers
* I/O PORTS - 3x USB 2.0 ports, 1x External CRT monitor output, 1x Headphone jack, 1x Microphone jack, 1x S/PDIF output jack, 1x RJ-45 port for LAN, 1x Line-in jack, 1x DC-In jack
* PCMCIA - 1x Type II PCMCIA socket
* COMMUNICATION - 10/100BASE-TX Fast Ethernet on board, 802.11g MiniPCI Wireless LAN
* POWER - Full Range 65W AC adapter - AC input 100~240V, 47~63Hz, DC output 20V, 3.25A, Removable 6-cell Smart Li-ion battery pack, 4000/4400mAh
* SECURITY - Kensington® Lock
The specifications on this seem pretty impressive for a laptop only costing $150:
From the website:
*Intel® Celeron® M Processor 370 (1.5 GHz, 90nm, FSB400, 1 MB L2 cache, uPGA478)
*14.0" WXGA (1280x768) TFT
*40 GB hard drive
*6 cell lithium ion battery
*64-bit wide DDR data channel, One 200-pin SODIMM socket, supporting DDR 333/400, 256 MB Expandable up to 1GB, based on SODIMM Modules
*One changeable 2.5" 9.5mm(H) HDD, Supporting Master mode IDE ATA-33/66/100/133 (Ultra DMA), One changeable 12.7mm(H) CD/DVD Combo
*VIA PN800 integration, Shared Memory Architecture up to 64MB, 128 bit 3D graphic engine, Support analog monitor pixel resolution up to 1920x1400, Support two displays dual view
*A4 size keyboard, Built-in Touchpad with scrolling function
*AC'97 2.2 Compliant Interface, 3D stereo enhanced sound system, Sound-Blaster PROTM Compatible, S/PDIF Digital output (5.1 CH), 1x Built-in Microphone, 2x Built-in Speakers
*3x USB 2.0 ports, 1x External CRT monitor output, 1x Headphone jack, 1x Microphone jack, 1x S/PDIF output jack, 1x RJ-45 port for LAN, 1x Line-in jack, 1x DC-In jack
*1x Type II PCMCIA socket
*10/100BASE-TX Fast Ethernet on board, 802.11g MiniPCI Wireless LAN
*Full Range 65W AC adapter - AC input 100~240V, 47~63Hz, DC output 20V, 3.25A, Removable 6-cell Smart Li-ion battery pack, 4000/4400mAh
*Kensington® Lock
Those specs are actually pretty close to what my OEM ThinkPad A31 was, when it was shipped. Although I upgraded the RAM, those specs are otherwise still pretty close, and that laptop still runs XP incredibly smoothly. While I'm not saying people should put XP on this thing, using a Windows product as a benchmark for smooth performance is generally a good way to determine how well linux will run on a machine. Considering the integrated wireless card, "pre-installed office and multimedia applications", and the DVD player, this thing seems like an ideal machine for someone on the go who doesn't want to worry about their equipment too much.
It's also a perfect way to learn linux, if you don't already have an old(er) computer lying around you can toss the OS onto. I will probably buy it for that exact reason. Now if somebody would just do something about that website so I don't worry I'm getting ripped off by some scam artist with poor web writing skills...
Shouldn't be any reason there's a problem with upgrading disks. I don't know if there's any antique 137-GB limitation in the BIOS - if there is, then you might be limited to 120GB.
1 PCMCIA slot, 3 USB, built-in 802.11g, S/PDIF sound. Because it's 802.11g, you won't need to burn the PCMCIA slot immediately for wireless, though if you're doing
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From the website contact page: "The phone lines are temporarly closed"... WTF??? They manufacture their own laptops in a company that only has email communication?!?
Finally, a cheap simple laptop (assuming it is real)
Now all we need is Walmart to buy them in bulk and have them in their stores by christmas at $99.99 each, and suddenly every kid in the country will have a laptop with linux!
By the time these kids grow up, Microsoft would never recover.
Go linux!
Why? It's funny if it runs windows, right?
(begin paste)
Pricing is based on the value of US Dollar and may therefore vary between countries and may also change without notice.
Specifiactions on the laptop can change without notice. The specifications can not be lower technology, though.
Availability of the Medison Celebrity model depends on how many orders we get per day. It might take one or two weeks longer to get the laptop.
Terms (date and price) of offer may change without notice.
Taxes vary from country to country and from state to state. Medison is not responsible for paying any additional taxes in your country or state.
Fees taken by our authorized partner 2CO are U$6.45 + 5,5% and extra on the price. Some smaller fees might be taken by your bank and varies on what bank and card you have.
Shipping and handling is taken care of by our partner MK Electronics.
(end paste)
Food for thought, tho I REALLY hope it is for real.
So I guess IKEA finally got into computer business:)
It's very like the same OEM machine, I installed Ubuntu and put more 256Mb, it's a good machine. I paid $750.p ?id_produto=32
http://www.cceinformatica.com.br/cont_produtos.ph
To quote the website "The phone lines are temporarly closed" all they give is an email address. You can't even call to complain if you don't get it.
If they are legit they are working really hard to seem like a scam.
Sounds like the perfect new product for this company...
http://www.anuslaptops.com/
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shouldn't this be taken off of slashdot to reduce free advertising for a potential scam?
I recommend all of you, to wait and see how everything turns out here in sweden, before you buy this. As most swedes do right now.. Wait and see if the first computers arrive at all.
FWIW, some scams pay/ship to the first round to ease fears and score even bigger with the second round. Unlikely in this case though, unless someone stole a shipment of laptops.
Just in case you were wondering, we don't care.
It's a 1.5 ghz single-core Celeron, so you wouldn't buy it for performance -- never mind that most apps don't get much of a performance boost out of 64-bit. (Most get some tiny amount, some get something huge like 50% that makes it all worthwhile...)
It's also got 256 megs of RAM. If it had more than 2 gigs, we'd really, really want 64-bit. But it's got 256 megs and a magnetic hard drive (meaning you won't exactly want to be running more than 2 gigs worth of stuff in swap).
So, I mean, thanks for the info, but I honestly can't think of a reason I'd want it to be 64-bit.
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
Isn't this a chipset for a Pentium 4 desktop motherboard? How'd they fit that in a laptop case? www.via.com.tw/en/products/chipsets/p4-series/pn80 0/
SHOW ME!
This is probably a scam : no company called "medison" can be found in the UK buisness directory.
While the rest of the World ist still talking, they have just build one. Although it could be just a fraud.
Netcraft confirms it!
I use fedora/livna. The media apps are in livna, but it is seamless.
When I upgraded from FC4 to FC5 to FC6 to FC7, the drill is:
rpm -U fedora-release*rpm livna-release*rpm
yum update
Fedora/Livna is often more current than Ubuntu.
It's a scam. Editors, please extend the story accordingly.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
I just sent an email to their people asking if they would be willing to do a live interview to clear some of the fraud questions up. We'll see how it goes I suppose. If they agree, I will get the interview up and posted on YouTube and UStream asap.
Anthony Papillion
Advanced Data Concepts, Inc.
"Quality Custom Software and IT Services"
Hey, that's a rather nice 3D rendering of a laptop. If it exists, why didn't they just photograph it?
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Will it cause Balmer to toss a chair?
Their idiotic web page has dark gray type on a black background. What fucking moron designed that shitty site? If they can't even design something as simple as a web page, how am I supposed to believe they can design a laptop?
"Tech support? How do I turn up the brightness and contrast on my new laptop? What do you mean I can't?"
Yes, I know, they're going after the l33t h4XX0r L1nuX crowd but they'd impress me a hell of a lot more with a fast loading easy to read one page with product info and a "buy me" link.
Now get the hell off my lawn you stupid damned kids!
-mcgrew
Recently, the brazilian government has cut the taxes on laptop and desktop computers to increase production and lower the price for the population. The "Computador Para Todos" (Computers for Everyone) program has even estimulated the adoption of open source solutions, such as Linux and OpenOffice, on the participating machines.
So why such a laptop, which clearly fits the policy for the fiscal benefits, hasn't been on the brazilian media? I looked for it on the major news websites and all I can find is the OLPC. They could sell millions here, people want computers and financing it has never been easier.
I looked for any address of Medison in Brazil but I wasn't able to find it. I could pay a visit and tell them that they rock. I could even bring in some donuts for the team. But apparently, they don't want any.
Too bad.
P.S.: The only Medison I could find makes medical equipment.
ROOOOAAAAARR!!!
In Soviet Russia, it confirms NETCRAFT!!!!!
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http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=255419&c id=19985073
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Almost sucked me in .. until I started reading the website of the parent company.
n ner-and-photoshopped company logo, and other quiet achievements such as designing the color iMac.
Mind you thats just my opinion. Please feel free to read all about their other 'achievements', such as the Medison line of designer clothing (which doesnt appear on google anywhere), the awesome words of wisdom of their founder in his own blog, the un-attributed quotes, random photos of capital cities, the slightly-dithered-like-ive-been-put-through-a-sca
I love their accesories page - whats with the link to clk.atdmt.com to download a copy of 'Windows Live Messenger'. WTF ?
Anyway, in Australia, the big mining company BHP used to have a TV ad with the motto:
"BHP - The quiet achiever"
But if half of their un-gogglable claims are valid, then this Medison crowd really have earned that label.
Scam, IMHO.
On the upside, if it wasnt for Medison, I wouldnt have learned that I have a new word in my diminishing vocabulary - "ungooglable".
ungooglable:
A product, or a claim, a thing, or a statement of supposed fact, that when searched for on google, produces zero relevant supporting results, to the extent where serious doubts are then cast upon those same claims or facts. eg: "Johnny made several ungooglable claims about an alleged series of concerts that he supposedly performed with the El Mariachi Trio whilst on his recent holiday 'South of the Border'". Ant. un- . eg "Natalie Portman's naked butt may well be one of the most unungooglable butts never really photographed for real".
As his website says, he is on vacation in Thailand but he will consider doing an interview when he returns. He claims he knows nothing about the rampant fraud/vaporware suspicions all over the internet about this.
Anthony Papillion
Advanced Data Concepts, Inc.
"Quality Custom Software and IT Services"
I tried going through the 2Chekout order process (not using my real personal info).
One interesting thing is the shipping. They say it's free - but the "method" is listed as "Scandanavia".
I was attempting to get a total price.
But they ask for credit card data before showing a final price.
I shop a *lot* online and I've never once come across and order process like this one.
Hell, they could just be trolling for credit card numbers.
I hope this article gets deleted or at least flagged as a scam.
Medison Europe United was incorporated less than 2 weeks ago: http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/02f0dac25c029c53 8688518e70982ba3/compdetails
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2 7+ruffets+wood,+gravesend,+kent+england&sll=37.062 5,-95.677068&sspn=49.71116,81.738281&ie=UTF8&t=k&z =16&iwloc=addr&om=1
Also, take a look at the address provided
27 RUFFETS WOOD
GRAVESEND
KENT
DA12 5JQ
My my, Nordic Multimedia Distribution Limited is listed as having the same address: http://www.ukdata.com/company-credit-reports/NORD
GI Finance Limited is located here as well: http://www.simplycreditreports.com/company-number
La Vida Art Limited: http://www.companiesgate.co.uk/LA+VIDA+ART+LIMITE
BYGG Invest Limited: http://www.ukdata.com/company-credit-reports/BYGG
HG Shiprepair Limited: http://www.companiesgate.co.uk/HG+SHIPREPAIR+LIMI
Also, Ken-Erik Limited is listed as having the same address: http://www.companiesgate.co.uk/KEN-ERIK+LIMITED.a
I checked google maps to see if I could locate the address: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=
Looks a lot like a residential area, either house/condo/apartment, definatley not a corporate or even industrial location.
It's obviously a scam. You don't need to do a whois look-up or anything else. Just look at the specs.
There's no way in hell they're going to offer a 1.6GHz CPU, 40GB HDD, 14" LCD, 256MB DDR, etc., for $150... Even at twice that price ($300) it would be a stretch, but just possible. At $150, it's laughable.
You could make a $150 laptop... If you went with a tiny screen, no backlight, no CD/DVD, tiny HDD, no battery, ancient CPU, etc., etc. But with fairly modern specs as this has, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that it's real.
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
On their contact information, they list their address as:
2 7+RUFFETS+WOOD,+GRAVESEND,+KENT,+DA12+5JQ&sll=37.0 625,-95.677068&sspn=32.66491,59.238281&ie=UTF8&ll= 51.411728,0.377553&spn=0.000785,0.001808&t=k&z=19& om=1
) has that Address for several companys, Including:
Medison Europe Limited
27 Ruffets Wood
Gravesend, Kent
DA12 5JQ England
But this looks to be a residential area.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=
This Business Credit Report site ( http://www.ukdata.com/company-listings/No-27.html
NORDIC SALES GROUP NORGE LIMITED
NORDIC MARKETING GROUP LIMITED
NORDIC MULTIMEDIA DISTRIBUTION LIMITED
NORDIC PICTURES LIMITED
There are possibly others, but those are the ones I found with a quick search.
-William
God is everything science has yet to explain.
Does anyone know how this laptop compares to Asus's 3ePC? The latter is supposed to be out in August, but i haven't heard anything since the initial announcement...
Consciousness - That annoying time between naps.
From their website (on the accessories page - where is no mention of accessories), there are lots of ads for a bizarre range of unrelated products.
.. $200,000 .. or $2m for their top of the line partnership deal.
Scrolling in the middle is a link to this page here :
http://www.medisoncelebrity.com/adsfacts.html
which enables YOU to sign on as a valued business partner, and present your advert on their site.
$15,000
Their website pulled 100,000 'hits' in April 07, and 430,000 'hits' since then. That massive volume of interweb traffic (*cough*) is nothing to be sneezed at, so it looks like brilliant value - who could resist such a deal ? Looks like Medison are about to give google a run for their money !!
i believe this site explains it all - i googled the contact address for the location of their business http://www.sail-with.us/
Change the article to note that this is a scam.
Yes, this is redundant, but I don't care. Every minute that Slashdot keeps this "story" up on the web page is another minute that they are providing free advertising for scam artists.
I'm sure that Slashdot's sponsors would love to know that they are accomplices to fraud.
Change the article, or take it down.
After some light diggin thru public registers this is what I've found out about the owner of Medison.
Valdi Ivancic, born 1970-03-26, has a filed residens on Holmgatan 16F, 37138 Karlskrona. However he is also listed as living on Lundenvägen 24, 56134 Huskvarna. The Huskvarna listing also has a cell phone number for MR Ivancic, +46-76-3384142.
Whois information for medisoncelebrity.com refers to the Huskvarna address but lists another cell phone number +46-70-7572858 and also states the mans email address to be valdi_ivancic@hotmail.com.
Also residing at the Huskvarna address is one Ljubo Ivancic, born 1947-08-14, listed with a land line number of +46-36-131524 and a cell phone number of +46-70-4326089.
Neither Medison or Medison Consulting seem to be registered trademarks in Sweden.
medison.se was registered 2007-02-09 and medisoncelebrity.com was registered 2007-04-11.
probably is. I'd seriously be surprised if this wasn't a scam.
Someday, I'll have a real sig.
I'd think the dead giveaway to a scam is that laptop batteries cost $120, so this laptop in whole would only be $30.
I'm posting some excerpts from their FAQ:
Q: Why is the laptop much cheaper than other laptops?
A: We see this from a democratic point of view where we believe everyone should be able to afford to have a laptop.
That's a great explanation of how they managed to reach so low prices. Democracy, people! I'll never buy another communist laptop from DELL.
Q: When can you deliver my laptop?
A: We try to deliver as fast as possible, but the normal time is between 4 and 6 weeks.
Bummer, why the long time? No explanation.
Q: Do you have other products or can I add more memory to this laptop?
A: Yes, we have other models coming up next month and if you want to expand with more memory on your laptop you can go to our 'Accessories' page and buy extra memory.
Support disaster: you can't just buy a laptop and then "buy some memory" as accessorie.
Q: How does Linux work?
A:The Linux version that comes with the laptop is Fedora from RedHat and is not too much different from using Windows or MacOS
Support disaster: you don't tell people Linux runs just like Windows, or you get drowned in calls about "my game CD doesn't install". Apparently they never planned to support the thing (anything).
Q: Is your laptop a quality product?
A: Yes it is, and it comes with 1 year warranty.
Shit, I'm convinced...
Email your questions to valdi_ivancic@hotmail.com
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whois entry
http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=medisonceleb
Doesn't 2checkout.com handle credit card sales for a lot of other companies?
Glad I read the comments. My kneejerk reaction was to go to the site and read the specs. For a moment I thought "it's on Slashdot so it's OK." I was about to call my wife and tell her she can have the laptop she wanted, and I hit the back button on my browser and started reading all the posts about this being a scam.
So the readers of Slashdot, often characterized as the great unwashed, saved me from a scam brought to me by the editors of Slashdot.
check the adress in google maps and you get Did you mean: 27 Ruff_l_ets Wood Gravesend, Kent DA12 5JQ England Medison Europe Limited. 27 Ruffets Wood Gravesend, Kent DA12 5JQ England Last updated July 19, 2007 (from http://www.medisoncelebrity.com/legal/privacy/) the same adress they give on the .se site. Why do they give an UK address if they are in se?
--
president and CEO: Valdi Ivancic
http://engvall.org/intelligentia/ceo.html
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www.medisoncelebrity.com was created on: April 11 2007
Domain age (approximately):
3 Months, 15 days..
www.medison.se was created on: October 06 2003
Domain age (approximately):
3 Years, 9 Months, 8 days..
s/get/got/
OK!
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
They don't say they manufacture in Sweden. They say they're a Swedish company which spins off companies. Their press releases say their manufacturer in Brazil has been busy for months.
They claim United Keys is one of their spinoffs, a key-shaped display device. http://www.unitedkeys.com/index.html
Medison's Intelligentia spinoff claims the iBoard, a keyboard with displays in the keys. http://engvall.org/intelligentia/index.html
The Medison history also claims a relationship with several companies around the world. Anyone in Silicon Valley want to visit to confirm that? http://www.medison.se/history.htm
I will stop reading Slashdot if the editorial staff can't filter out such obvious trash...
I can throw as many stones as I wish; my house is made of transparent aluminum.
I think this confirms what some suspected - scuttlemonkey doesn't read the articles he approves. If he had, even he would be asking himself how legit this is.
BeauHD. Worst editor since kdawson.
I am from Georgia. That would be America's Georgia. God Bless these United States. Excuse me while I have a moment of silence to worship the flag and my picture of George W. Bush. Moment passed.
Now on to the business at hand. What is a Natalie Portman? Is it a fancy new plumbing system (do hicky thing)?
Is there a way to revoke someone's editorial status or put them on probation ? A screw-up this massive is just cause to fire someone at a lot of news organizations. Imagine if this was New York Times front page or Washington Post front page, posting such rubbish. This is a big wake-up call that web publishing needs to GROW UP and join the adult world. Slashdot is so huge that it has almost grown beyond the core group of editors. I propose a revolt / uprising as soon as possible! It is finally time for us to take back control of our leisure time, throw off the shackles of oppressive incompetent editing, and overthrow our overlords from their lofty undeserved pedestals. Slashdot readers of the world, UNITE!
I can throw as many stones as I wish; my house is made of transparent aluminum.
Maybe it's the latest way for them to raise money...
Wow, smells like another FOSSie flop is in the works!
Open Source initiatives: because that VC money isn't going to waste itself!
This story has been on Slashdot for nearly three hours without modification. Slashdot readers began picking this story appart only minutes after it was posted. If Scuttlemonkey could post an update to the MST3K story, he could have followed up on this one by now.
./). Slashdot posted this story without checking the facts, and I would ask an attorney if I got rooked what their liability is for presenting this story as fact.
Certainly a few people will read about this product on the front page and jump at a good deal (and they saw it on the front page of
Registration Service Provided By: Surftown Domains .99# / year....with low setup fee, smells fishy....someone's going the cheap route about their corporate site.
Contact: dns@surf-town.net
Visit: http://www.support.surftown.com/
Of course if you're too lazy, I've already pulled one up.
The three key points:
1) Domain name registered in april 07, for a term of ONE YEAR, how many hardware companies do you know who put up a domain for 1 year? Obviously only the companies that don't expect to be in business for a second year.
2) The contacts are at hotmail. Okay, that's not good. Usually a hardware company would register itself with a DBA company name instead of a "Valdi Ivancic valdi_ivancic@hotmail.com", leaving
human name contacts for administrative and technical contacts.
3) The site hoster.... Surf-net charges
4) company can't afford a fax? Interesting.
at least the scammer hasn't used anonymity services during registration.
My two trollish cents.
Domain name: medisoncelebrity.com
Registrant Contact:
Valdi Ivancic (valdi_ivancic@hotmail.com)
+46.707572858
Fax:
Lundenvagen 24
Huskvarna, 561 34
SE
Administrative Contact:
Valdi Ivancic (valdi_ivancic@hotmail.com)
+46.707572858
Fax:
Lundenvagen 24
Huskvarna, 561 34
SE
Technical Contact:
Surftown A/S
DNS Administrator (dns@surf-town.net)
+45.70200776
Fax: +45.70200776
Lautrupsgade 9, 1
KÿFFFFF8benhavn ÿFFFFD8, 2100
DK
Status: Active
Name Servers:
ns1.surf-town.net
ns2.surf-town.net
ns3.surf-town.net
Creation date: 11 Apr 2007 19:04:10
Expiration date: 11 Apr 2008 19:04:10
Of course it's a scam, there's no question about that. But where they're getting REALLY ambitious is their "member programs," starting at US $15,000 and topping out at a cool 2 million bucks (http://www.medisoncelebrity.com/adsfacts.html).
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-- See?
Which is one of the most desirable features of the OLPC. Plus, the meshing technology, of course. Does this one Include it? I saw nothing about something similar. I'd still rather have the OLPC.
I like my dinosaurs feathery, and my pterosaurs hairy (or is it pycnofibery?)
only old people get confirmed by netcraft
Why would anyone want to see grit naked?!!!
Obviously, the laptop is on fire.
Assume I was drunk when I posted this.
I am sure this guy was not expecting to get so much attention when starting this fraud. Perhaps all this publicity will help get this guy locked up.
"All of this in one distribution. You should try it. It's the next big thing. Honest."
Does it come in Mint?
I put in for two of these puppies on a fraud-protected single-use credit card number. If they don't show up in eight weeks and I can't contact the company at that point, then I will reverse the charge. Of course, by that time no one on Slashdot will care any more.
Some people are really doing their best to research this scam-look-alike. From a swedish website:
----8http://www.cint.se/debatt//ShowPostFlat.aspx? PostID=62603 or http://www.sweclockers.com/forum/showthread.php?s= &threadid=696980 where these letters and answers are mirrored.
"1&2. How could you lower the price so much compared to the price of
3000 SEK that you mentioned in http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.100914 ?
1000 SEK is quite a bit lower. Why did you change the idea from not selling directly to customers as you staded in http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.100914
1&2) It is true that we went out in the first article on IDG.se telling
that the price for the end consumer would be around 3000 SEK. That is
because the companies we were discussing with wanted to have a big
profit on each laptop sold to the end consumer. Since we at Medison
believe it is better to offer a laptop so that everyone can afford to
buy a laptop, we decided to offer our Medison Celebrity to a very good
price where we have very, very low margin so that everyone can buy a
laptop rather than giving too high profits to other companies and have
less computers sold to the end consumers."
So the involved companies would just suddenly agree on not making any or have an extremely small margin?
----
"3. Why is this last change and sell-start rushed is such a way? I.E
companys started in just a few days, contracts created in so such
short notice that most of the companies you mention on your site
doesn't know anything about you?
3) There has not been any 'rush', but actually has been carefully
planned over some time. Any kind of registration of company name or
domain does not show wether a strategy is planned or not in a company.
This kind of information can instead be done on purpose to not reveal
to competitors what is going on. But then again, Medison has no
obligations to answer what its strategy is and therefore any kind of
interpretations made by people outside the company."
I would call it either a rush or a failure that the companies listed on your website dodn't know anything about you at first. Which one do you prefer?
----
"4. Why is your company adress sharing the exact same address as
several hundred others?
4) Medison is registered, as many other companies both in UK, USA or
any other European country on an address shared by many companies.
This is quite normal. Let me give you an example. In a high sky scrape
building with 41 floors, all of the people living there have the same
address. We do not see our common shared addres as something strange,
but rather normal."
I wasn't asking about why A company would have it like that. I was asking why YOUR company had it like this. Let me ask the question in another way: Would I correctly assume that your address stated on your site is just a forward or P.O Box like address, and that you don't really have any office in UK at all? If that is the case, do you have any office at all, and what would the visiting address be?
----
"5. Why do a serious company use a hotmail adress to register their
domain? Why is the phone number in the same registration going to
some random person in Malmö and not the registrar?
5) In USA it is VERY common that business people use a hotmail address
or yahoo address together with their business e-mail addresses. It is
common to do so as an insurance to not miss any important e-mails in
case a mail server would crash. Since the companies offering Domain
names have no rules that say a person or a company cannot use a
hotmail address when they register, then we don't see what relevance
your questions has. If the domain company has not updated their client
send + more == money?
It would have been nice if there was some checking and thinking done before this article was posted on Slashdot. Especially if the sender, Xemu, didn't seem to provide, as far as we know, any information about how this is possible, where the company came from, etc. Just a sales pitch, and a link. If you get a sales pitch and a link in your inbox, do you immediately send them money? No, you usually flag it as spam, because it's probably a scam. At the VERY least, PLEASE put comments in the title and/or body of the news blurb mentioning that there is nothing to back these claims up, and a warning to beware because of a possible scam. Even now, it doesn't even have any added entries telling everyone to beware. Yes, live without warning, but seriously it does deserve mention in the main body that this is probably a scam, by now at least.
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/..
Joking aside, there are other news sites out there if Slashdot has gone too far down hill and doesn't get fixed. Just don't ask me what they are, because I don't know of any anywhere near the size of
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Here's a link to an email conversation with the founder:= e0a49aad6aaa76aa2abfe67cb4d4ec44&postid=7539927#po st7539927
http://www.sweclockers.com/forum/showthread.php?s
The founder also has a column in a small Swedish paper:
http://www.jnytt.se/Read__7981.aspx (Swedish.)
He writes about life in Sao Paulo.
Here's an interview with the largest Swedish business paper, Dagens Industri:
http://tinyurl.com/38ju9l (Swedish.)
A couple of months ago they launched a laptop for 3000SEK (~$450), the same model now being sold for $150:
http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.100914 (Swedish.)
Could be fraud, could be simply bad business, could be an attempt to gain market share by calculated loss. No matter what, it could definitely have been launched in a more professional way. Bad karma on the founder. I'm waiting (at least) 6 weeks to put in my order.
The contact information on that site interrestingly refers to the mailaddress t@ayc.no.
The http://ayc.no/ website provides the following info (only):
"ayc.no er din første og beste informasjonskilde om Webhotell Epost. Se også nærmere på våre anbefalte linker, eller prøv vårt nettsøk!"
That translates to:
"ayc.no is your first and best information source on Webhotel Email. Take also a closer look on our recommended links, or try our websearch!"
The domain itself is owned by a un-named private person, through an organization that provides access to registering restricted domainnames in Norway.
Interresting enough there are no links on the front page to this "Webhotel Email information" nor their "recommended links". Even more interresting is that all results returned by the search-function are more-or-less adwords-results..
Their sister company, Semen Electronics (Guaranteed to come faster!) is a flop. If you click on the link to http://semen-electronics.com/, it gives some error. Maybe they need some Viagra or herbal supplements.
Fuck! If I ever invent a time machine, I damn well better come up with a more interesting use for it than adding warnings to 30-year-old Slashdot articles. Future ScuttleMonkey, you suck.
I win the internetz
Not only is he responsible for what has the potential to become the next big thing in home computing, he also apparently is the webmaster of the site. If you were to go to http://www.medison.se/ and read the company history, you will find an image with a red X, which points to file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Valdi%20Ivan cic/My%20Documents/Medison/new/abouteng_files/10re d.JPG. I commend a CEO of such an innovative company for designing the corporate website. There are a few other small discrepancies in the site, but this seemed to be the one I found the funniest.
I called the 2Checkout.com company in Columbus, Ohio (where I'm from). The payment company has been around for over 4 years and has over 80,000 clients. They said that they have checked out the laptop site. While he didn't say that they have seen the laptop or anything, the customer support rep (Josh), said that this is not a fraudulent site. He said that they will continue to monitor the situation, and if they determine the site to be a fraud, they will be issuing refunds. He also said that if you did not recieve your laptop after 4-6 weeks, please call them and they will iniaite the process to either get you laptop, or will directly refund you from their account.
On top of that, my credit card company (BoA) said that they will honor the purchase for Chargebacks if the laptop deal turns out to be a fraud.
So thats double security. I say its worth the risk. There is a high chance that if this laptop deal is real, they will not be offering this deal indefinately.
You know Skybus is a new startup airline and is selling airline tickets for as little as $10, and no one claims that they are a fraud. It is possible to sell something fully knowing that you are loosing money. Specially if they are doing this for publicity.
So now you can buy a Celeron >1ghz, 256MB SO-DIMM, 40GB 2.5in HDD, 14inch LCD panel, a motherboard, a DVD drive, and all wrapped up in a working laptop casing for $150USD...
hmmmm it doesn't take a genius to add up the price of all those components plus the cost to assemble them.
It would be more credible if it said "we're giving away free laptops from the goodness of our hearts"
And the title should be "Cheap laptop scam cashes in on OLPC idea" or some such
Domain name: medisoncelebrity.com
Registrant Contact:
Valdi Ivancic (valdi_ivancic@hotmail.com)
+46.707572858
Fax:
Lundenvagen 24
Huskvarna, 561 34
SE
Administrative Contact:
Valdi Ivancic (valdi_ivancic@hotmail.com)
+46.707572858
Fax:
Lundenvagen 24
Huskvarna, 561 34
SE
Technical Contact:
Surftown A/S
DNS Administrator (dns@surf-town.net)
+45.70200776
Fax: +45.70200776
Lautrupsgade 9, 1
KÿFFFFF8benhavn ÿFFFFD8, 2100
DK
Status: Active
Name Servers:
ns1.surf-town.net
ns2.surf-town.net
ns3.surf-town.net
Since I had a knee-jerk reaction to the super bargain, I ordered one since it was /.'ed. After seeing all the scam postings, I called 2Checkout.com. They stated that you are actually buying from them and they stand behind the purchase with a 100% money back guarantee. So, I guess I'll have to wait and see, in 4-6 weeks!
if this is not a scam i would like to get one of these (yeah is a bit light on specs but..)
Please note anybody that does make the jump and gets actual hardware please post in the dupe when it comes around
Any person using FTFY or editing my postings agrees to a US$50.00 charge
The 'Sweden' needle points to 'E'.
Duh.
...the Linux edition of Duke Nukem Forever.
Organisationsnr: Företagsnamn(firma): Företagsform: Firmatyp: Län: Status:
19 700326-2016 1 Medison Consulting E Firma 10
556525-1096 Medison Data AB AB Firma 10 Konkurs avslutad
916575-3832 MEDISON Handelsbolag HB Firma 04 Avregistrerad
969622-6852 Medison Handelsbolag HB Firma 06 Avregistrerad
969627-7657 Medison Inlärning Handelsbolag HB Firma 06 Avregistrerad
969628-2749 Medison Media Handelsbolag HB Firma 06 Avregistrerad
-----------------
Let me translate that:
Organisation Number: Company Name(firma): Företagsform: Firmatyp: State: Status:
19 700326-2016 1 Medison Consulting E Firma 10
556525-1096 Medison Data AB AB Firma 10 Bankrupt
916575-3832 MEDISON Handelsbolag HB Firma 04 De-registered
969622-6852 Medison Handelsbolag HB Firma 06 De-registered
969627-7657 Medison Inlärning Handelsbolag HB Firma 06 De-registered
969628-2749 Medison Media Handelsbolag HB Firma 06 De-registered
--
https://snr3.bolagsverket.se/snrgate/default.jsp
(Search for 'medison')
--
http://www.mufjonkoping.se/medisonVSclevo.JPG
Pictures stolen from a company named "Clevo" that is based in Taiwan. Yet they claim that they are assembled in Brazil and that they
will continue to do that until they have their manufactoring facility ready there.
--
It's a scam, nothing more to see here, move along now.
P.S
Their demand that they are/will be getting (as pointed out by a member of some other forum) will surpass the ones on Apples MacBooks, it is highly unlikely that this company from out of nowhere will be able to supply.
European law is that all electronic products must have a two year warranty.
No sig today...
The crank was removed from OLPC ages ago. See their web site for a more current picture.
No sig today...
From the laptop.org website (http://laptop.org/laptop/hardware/features.shtml) :
"In addition, --for use at home and where power is not available--the XO can be hand powered. It will come with at least two of three options: a crank, a pedal, or a pull-cord."
A post a day keeps productivity at bay.
Does anyone live near here?
Medison has a similar blurb:
The apply "myinfo" page is valid. The Medison link takes you to a 404 page... written in Korean . Looking further, Medison.com turns out to be a medical imaging company and appears to have no relation whatsoever to Medisoncelebrity.com.
Looks like they got a bit lazy with replacing "Apple" with "Medison"
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It is official. Slashdot is dead.
Just a quote from the company you're paying through's terms of service:
2. If you are not satisfied with the product or service provided by a 2Checkout.com partner, contact us immediately. We will intercede and work to resolve the dispute to the satisfaction of all parties. If the matter cannot be resolve we will issue credits as necessary.
3. 2Checkout.com assumes responsibility for its selling partners if they fail to provide the goods or service paid for and become unreachable or unresponsive, the buyers funds will be returned and it will be 2Checkout.com's responsibility to pursue the matter with your assistance.
4. You will never pay charges made to your card through unauthorized parties, contact us if there are charges on your bill you do not recognize.
5. To protect you from catastrophic losses, under the Fair Credit Billing Act, your bank cannot hold you liable for more than $50 of fraudulent charges that are not the result of negligence or fraud on your part.
It's really only 50 bucks out of the pocket if it is a scam and this company will apparently go after them...
A fax?!
Not having a fax is not an indicator that you are a crappy outfit, it's simply an indicator that you started the company in the last 15 years, you know, after the Internet and email:)
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I guess they went overboard with that one and took it seriously.
1. Sell $150 Linux laptop.
2. ???
3. Profit!
Something was nagging me at the back of my mind about the name... European cheap supermarket chain Aldi sell computers with a very similar name, Medion, but their cheapest laptops are around £300. Coincidence?
It's quite common for accountants to register companies at their address so that papers can be issued there for a client. A registered company's address can be pretty much anywhere - I used to have a company that was registered at my house, even had the brass plaque and everything. My current one is registered in London with a management service. Their office wall must be covered in little brass plaques.
> 4) company can't afford a fax? Interesting.
Fax is sooo last century! We don't use fax machines at all where I work, and we're a multi billion dollar company!
So not having a fax is not a valid point for scam - however - I agree, probably a scam anyway!
This is blinging
Despite the fact there's not a shred of observable plausability in this company and their product, I've browsed the blogs and news sites around and saw evidence of hundreds upon hundreds of people apparently placing an order for this laptop, and sometimes even buying some for their family and co-workers.
It truly boggles the mind: it's not supposed (from anything on the site) to be limited stock, so there's no particular hurry to order. On top of that, it's all apparent it's a scam.
Why would people do this? Are people so damn stupid? Makes me wanna become a scammer myself - why work hard on creating real actual working products when there's a bunch of idiots flapping their credit cards if I just say I'll deliver them heaven in 4 to 6 weeks.
So beware: if you see me offering something amazing for $100 these days (still thinking what it may be: free energy, $100 Mercedes S Class, space trip to Mars.. I'll see), I've converted myself to the dark side.
Ordered mine last week and it's just arrived! Looks a bit different to what they had up on their site though. Here's a link: http://www.zug.com/pranks/powerbook/
Given that the related site is most likely a scam, does anyone know of any legitimate sites that sell cheap laptops? thanks
Interesting... Such a scam, just setup a website somewhere, claim something, and then try charge for it. I wondered why there was an index3.html page, but no index2.html, turns out its another office they have! HA! http://www.medison.se/index2.html
On the company's website you can select from the languages: English, German, Swedish, Italian, Spanish, and ... Brazilian? Oooookeeeeey. Btw, it's a scam. ;)
please ignore last sentence for modding, ie, no -1 redundant
The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than the question of whether a submarine can swim.
Strangely the company gives contact details in Gravesend, UK rather than Sweden. I know that area and I've looked at the location on Multimap and it looks residential. The company is actually registered at Companies House so it does exist but was only registered on 13 July 2007. So we have a Swedish company, located and registered in England with a website registered to someone in Sweden with manufacturing in Brazil and online retailing by a US based company. I won't be buying just yet.
You should know because this guy is going through 2checkout.com, he isnt going to be paid anything until the customers get their orders. if there are no laptops, there is no money for this cat. there is no risk to the buyers, so why not pay $150 for a laptop. If these laptops are for real, then why not?!
Do they give the hex key to put the parts together, as well as the friendly instruction leaflet ?
Sounds a bit fishy; too good to be true.
But the credit card processing firm is in Ohio and they're for real.
So as long as a Visa or MasterCard is used, you could always dispute
the transaction if it turns out to be a fraud.
https://www.2checkout.com/community/
I did a little digging on the web. The company is in Sweden. The
founder has a patent on keyboards with keys that are little displays
and can change their faces.
http://www.unitedkeys.com/index.html
But Medison has only existed for a couple of months, although there
have been other companies owned by the same guy and named as a
variation of Medison.
As best I can tell, here's the Taiwan manufacturer's page. They
sell to OEMs in a "bare bones" configuration. Medison claims these
go to a new factory in Brazil to be finished out (add disk, memory,
load Linux, etc.). They've got a good reputation for build quality.
http://www.clevo.com.tw/products/M540V.asp
So, I suppose it could be a scam, or maybe something that turns out
to be too ambitious for Medison to deliver on. They'd have to do
tremendous volume to make it work. But for $150, and with the
credit card processor between me and them, I think I'll go for it.
And the fact that their information under "Contact us" consists solely of one email account. Same for support, email only (at least they have one additional email here). No phone numbers or address anywhere to be found.
"But this one goes to 11!"
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=5746&tag=nl.e622
Clevo make white label laptop chassis, which get fitted out and rebadged by various smaller computer companies. If you were going to launch a low cost laptop with low scale production, it would probably be a good place to start. The upfront costs for tooling for custom plastics and custom made motherboards just doesn't make sense until you reach a certain size.
Why not email some local (Gravesend, Kent) newspapers who can interview people and verify this story? Or failing that, theres the sun newspaper (shitty tabloid, but good at exposing scams), or the BBC's Watchdog show, which usually protects the consumer.
IF its a genuine story, then the people involved have nothing to fear, and the publicity on Slashdot will give them a huge publicity bonus. IF its genuine. IF.
My web domain.
Actually the website is registered and hosted in Denmark.
9 1594.asp
They will ship the laptops: asia=>brazil=>England & Sweden
This is what I've read on various other forums (not sure if it's true):
The taxes for selling them in Sweden will be about ~$37-$44 USD. The 2co company will also take their share from each unit sold, so you end up with a ~$110 USD laptop, now also add shipping which may or may not be that much, the labor for assembling them, + all of the costs for running the actual company and buying the parts. So where's the profit?
Also they had fake advertisement on their webpage, one of the largest swedish technology website ran an article on it (it's in swedish): http://www.e24.se/dynamiskt/konsumentratt/did_163
But it says basically that they contacted a large phone company that had adds on their webpage and they said that it was faked.
Response from 2Checkout.comp hp?id=214&page&replies=4#post-717
http://www.2checkout.com/community/support/topic.
excerpt:
""As a reseller, there is no way we can 100% guarantee the veracity or delivery of service from a supplier. In the end, it is their duty to supply the product. As a retailer however, we can guarantee that a purchase from us is safe, and will be handled with the utmost care and attention to customer satisfaction. It is our goal to conduct our business in a way that is profitable to our business customers and risk free for our end-use customers. You face no financial loss for ordering a product via 2Checkout; in the worst case scenario you retain your money, and walk away with no gain, but no loss.
Given the pricing and presentation, your doubts and concerns regarding the Medison Celebrity are understandable and we sympathize with your apprehension. If you are unsure about your purchase you may well be better served to stand by see how the situation plays out. Doubts regarding the integrity of 2Checkout or our desire to provide safe, simple, service oriented online transaction are without merit however, and even if you choose not to purchase this product we hope for future opportunities to provide you with an e-commerce solution you can trust for both your sales and purchases online.""
Please...
E24 is hardly "the largest swedish technology website". It is a website focused on business news, but that also does some pathetic technology tire-kicking.
Having said that, I agree that there are all sorts of bad signs about this offering. While the product and demand for it might be spot-on, the claimed setup of the business operations is not believable.
P.S.
The slashdot registration/anonymous function really sucks. Anonymous did not work, and the account name "anonymous.coward" was for some reason already taken...
D.S.
Time to filter out Scuttlemonkey stories again for the next 12 months.
1. Probably the default billing period of their host. Irrelevant.
2. Who in their right mind would give a real email address as an administrative contact? That's a spam dump that will never be read, if it's even valid. There's nothing untoward about this, in fact it could be called standard practice.
3. So? They're a start up. They'll buy more bandwidth when it's needed. It's not that hard.
4. It's 2007. No one uses fax.
He probably shouldn't have posted about it in kuro5hin...
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Well. He knew one of the persons involved (he lives in jönköping/huskvarna) and thought:
"what the hell, if they don't deliver I'll call my acquaintance"
I wish I knew one of them too, it would give a little of security at least =)
Perfectly respectable lump of bent sand, and a perfectly sensible way to go if you're starting up a box-shifting operation. This datum in itself doesn't illuminate the question of whether the site is a scam or not.
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