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For anyone not lucky enough to have a honeytrapping provider, at least there is the http://www.xs4all.nl/~egbg/counterscript.html

Too bad that the IE example doesnt properly in Chrome because it *requires* hardware accelleration (if that's either to their crappy javascript or the amaaaazing speedup they finally got working i'll leave in the middle) The Good thing though: It really works! I put it through it's paces with Peter Nederlof's (A.k.a. Clay) 3d javascript engine to see what part is crappy and what's working, and for now it looks AWESOME! The only thing that doesn't seem to work is click tracking on the canvas. speed wise it's quite similar to Chrome! Test urls: http://www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/3d/ http://www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/demooo/duck.html http://www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/demooo/cubes.html

Too bad that the IE example doesnt properly in Chrome because it *requires* hardware accelleration (if that's either to their crappy javascript or the amaaaazing speedup they finally got working i'll leave in the middle) The Good thing though: It really works! I put it through it's paces with Peter Nederlof's (A.k.a. Clay) 3d javascript engine to see what part is crappy and what's working, and for now it looks AWESOME! The only thing that doesn't seem to work is click tracking on the canvas. speed wise it's quite similar to Chrome! Test urls: http://www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/3d/ http://www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/demooo/duck.html http://www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/demooo/cubes.html

Too bad that the IE example doesnt properly in Chrome because it *requires* hardware accelleration (if that's either to their crappy javascript or the amaaaazing speedup they finally got working i'll leave in the middle) The Good thing though: It really works! I put it through it's paces with Peter Nederlof's (A.k.a. Clay) 3d javascript engine to see what part is crappy and what's working, and for now it looks AWESOME! The only thing that doesn't seem to work is click tracking on the canvas. speed wise it's quite similar to Chrome! Test urls: http://www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/3d/ http://www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/demooo/duck.html http://www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/demooo/cubes.html

You have have seen this about dihydrogen monoxide and how it's being put in everyone's water supply! :)

Get a few of these to circulate and people will be in a full-blown panic. Remember, a person is smart. People are dumb.

Which is why I use Password Composer

Lets say my 'password' (mor of a salt) is hunter2.

For google.com my password is: 9594ab73
For facebook.com my password is: e288ff0e

You don't even need to use that form, sha1 or md5 (or even doubled up) should work fine.

md5(sha1("slashdot.org"+"hunter2")) should provide an adequately uncrackable password.

In related news, I want to add that the biggest and oldest ISP of The Netherlands (XS4ALL) has also taken a stand against internet filtering. Unfortunately the site and documents are only available in Dutch:
http://www.xs4all.nl/overxs4all/maatschappelijk/dossiers/downloaden.php

What they have done is write a very thorough 32 page document explaining why internet filtering should not happen. It centers around a couple of arguments:
- It's very expensive
- It introduces single points of failure and bottlenecks, doing the opposite of what an ISP should be doing
- It can't work without also blocking a lot of legal content, no matter what method you choose
- Blocking legal content and censorship is against the idea of free speech, but more specifically the Dutch constitution and the European treaty on human rights.

It's really well written, I wish there would be an English version. It's well worth the read.

They have sent this to all Dutch political parties and the committee for copyright legislation. I was very happy to see them get involved in this discussion. We're having national elections next june, and it looks like at least some political parties are picking this up and making it a point in the elections.

http://dribibu.xs4all.nl/dilbert19960123.html

People are put in physically or emotionally distressing situations;
Early Christian followers were threatened, beaten, etc.

..and this was driven by the leaders of the Church how? That is the point - in a cult those in charge put you into these situations in order to brainwash you. The persecution of the Church by the Empire is not even cut from the same cloth.

Their problems are reduced to one simple explanation, which is repeatedly emphasized;
Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Gee, I'm glad that you were able to sum up all of the Catechism and Scripture into that one line of the Beatitudes. You know, maybe Thomas Aquinas would have written a lot less had he realized that the entirety of Christian thought could be summed up in this one line. Or perhaps you are trying to shoehorn something here.

They receive unconditional love, acceptance, and attention from a charismatic leader;
Jesus is said to have unconditional love for all people.

Seriously? You are honestly comparing the love bombing that goes on in cults to the Atonement?

They get a new identity based on the group;
Followers of Jesus are no longer Jews, Pagans, etc... They are known as Christians.

So then I guess all countries are cults as well, considering that a Frenchman who gained citizenship in Canada would become a Canadian. The horrors!

They are subject to entrapment (isolation from friends, relatives, and the mainstream culture) and their access to information is severely controlled.
The 4 gospels were all pretty much copied from the same source (and long after Jesus died). Each one has a different audience, but the content is largely the same. In this sense, followers have restricted access to information. The Catholic church also regulates which scriptures form the Bible (and which do not). Not all writings of the Dead Sea scrolls made it into the Bible. Throughout time, religion have been used as a means to divide people. In the past, those who have questioned the religious leadership have been excommunicated, or worse...

Hmm, that's strange. When I went through RCIA no one ever isolated me from my friends, family, and work. (unless, of course, you're referring to the hour a week we went to classes). No one bothered to come to my house and remove all the comparative religious texts I have as well. No one tried to circumvent my web browsing by sending me a program that would block sites critical of the Catholic Church. No one cajoled me into installing software that would block any emails critical of my faith.The program I went through must have been defective. Of course, you could be just shoehorning again.

Even today, try being a Catholic and marrying a non-Catholic in a Church. It is not allowed!

So after all this study you never heard of a dispensation?

The meaning of "Catholic" (as welcoming) only applies to their Cathechism school!

No, Katholikos (which is a Greek word, pardon the Latinization) means "universal". As to your argument, it defies logic - especially when the proper definition is known.

From everything I've read about and seen of Scientolgists and Scientology, they do all of those things.
From everything I have read and know about Catholicism, they do and/or have done all those things.

quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur

http://www.xs4all.nl/~jlpoutre/BoT/Javascript/PasswordComposer/

It is a greasemonkey userscript for firefox. But you can also bookmark their page and use it in IE or Opera.

They have a bash script. There are lots of improvements as well. With zenity you can make a gui for it in linux. There is a Visual Basic program so you can keep it on a memory stick as well.

In a pinch you can even use MD5 and do it yourself take the first 8 chars of md5("password:url")

Compared to the US, I guess we're doing better, but these are my options as I currently see them in Amsterdam.

Everytime I change ISPs, it is to get more bandwidth for less cost. I'm just finishing a ADSL 2 year contract with Tele2 and was seriously considering UPC. Still am, but this news sucks. UPC also has extraordinarily bad customer service. Bad in a legendary way.

There are loads of ADSL ISPs offering 20mb down/ 1up, with phone & TV for 30 euros a month. UPC uses the city coax network and DOCSIS 3.0 I think, (claiming fiber, which is true i guess considering their backbone, but still). I was thinking of buying 60mb down/ 6up with TV and phone for 50 euros a month until this news. There is no other ISP using the higher bandwidth coax. Local ADSL seems to have peaked at 20 mbs down.

These lengthy contracts and the commitment DOES suck. At least once the 1-2 year period is over, it is possible to quit with a month or so notice.

FWIW, XS4all tries to compete based on privacy and is fairly libertarian regarding internet issues, but the price is also much higher. Since I'm mostly talking to our own servers, I'd rather buy internet in bulk.

http://se.tele2.nl/
http://www.upc.nl/totaalpakketten/
http://www.xs4all.nl/allediensten/toegang/adslbellen/ (note they 'give free' mobile internet for a year, then you gotta pay for that 2nd service, ouch!)

I really want more bandwidth upstream than 1mbs, but I really dislike UPC. I would really like to know if SSH is being throttled, the article isn't entirely clear about this.

http://dribibu.xs4all.nl/dilbert19890511.html

Play with them.

If it is a fully automated call, don't hang up - just put down the phone and let the machine keep talking as long as it wants to. It costs them to call me not the other way around.

If it is a real person, or it is one of those automated calls where you can get to a real person by pressing a button, play interested for a few seconds ("what a coincidence, I've my contract is up for renewal soon and I think I'm paying too much!") then ask if they mind you putting the phone down for a few seconds while you go take a pan off the boil in the kitchen. Then put the phone down and go off to do something else. Come back later and check your phone log to see how long the caller sat waiting for you at their cost. My record for this is 11-and-a-bit minutes.

Or for more interactive fun and games, try play them at their own game: http://www.xs4all.nl/~egbg/counterscript.html

I've actually been getting less nuisance calls since starting to play with them these ways, though that is probably just coincidence rather than causation.

"And the FAA's Air Traffic Organization, which heads up ATC operations, received more than 800 security incident alerts in fiscal 2008, but still had not fixed 17 percent of the flaws that caused them, 'including critical incidents in which hackers may have taken over control of ATO computers,' the report says. ... While the number of serious flaws in the FAA's apps appears to be staggering, Jeremiah Grossman, CTO of WhiteHat Security, says the rate is actually in line with the average number of bugs his security firm finds in most Web applications. .

As someone else mentioned and as I implied in my response about their obvious ineptitude in the previous slashdot story: Why are critical systems directly available through the web?

Using Windows? Sheesh, if they were serious about security at least install something like OpenBSD, or perhaps even OpenVMS.

It all fits though with their inability to see their own flaws because of a general 'we are superior' attitude that's present in most areas connected with air-travel.

For dutch readers, webpages on this and more on the subject of behaviour of people (in dutch organisations such as Schiphol, NLR, LVNL, and areas of the government that deals with air-traffic) see:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~swhs/kritiek/schiphol/index.html

You should move up north. I know of no Dutch ISP that still employs bandwidth caps. Some ISPs even advertise unlimited access (site in dutch), which means they do not even apply fair use policy.

And anyone who offers an unlimited service is either deluded or a liar.

I don't think the reputable Dutch provider xs4all can be called deluded or a liar because they changed their previous Fair Use plan to an Unlimited one.

After all for a (monthly) plan with a given speed cap you automatically get a maximum download during that month.
And you can find much cheaper providers with real Unlimited plans.

And anyone who offers an unlimited service is either deluded or a liar.

I don't think the reputable Dutch provider xs4all can be called deluded or a liar because they changed their previous Fair Use plan to an Unlimited one.

After all for a (monthly) plan with a given speed cap you automatically get a maximum download during that month.
And you can find much cheaper providers with real Unlimited plans.

Like the other poster said, that is expensive compared to Europe. For €29,95 I have a full-open ADSL2+ connection (24Mbps theoretical, 15Mbps effective) without usage caps.

Excluding the bandwith cap, the actual pricing is not far from the most expensive offerings here in The Netherlands. Are there any better offerings where you live or are you stuck with what you have?

>"Try doing it by using the power required to run a hairdryer."

Hair dryers pull 1000~2000 watts, right? That is a ton. Try having only a few watts to work with...on Mars.

"The transmitter on the lander has a broadcast power of about 14 watts, says Callas. For comparison, the beacon on the Mars Global Surveyor, which is currently in orbit 380 kilometers (228 miles) above the surface of the Red Planet, is weaker -- only 1 watt. Boding poorly for the mission is the fact that this week the sensitive Dish detected the weaker signal from the surveyor, but not the stronger signal from the lander.

But the main problem is the weakness of the signal. And signals weaken as they traverse the roughly 300 million kilometers (about 180 million miles) from Mars to Earth. "We expect a signal hitting the Dish to be something of the order of one billionth of a billionth of a milliwatt [one-thousandth of a watt] of power," says Callas. "It's extremely tiny. This is equivalent to listening to a cell phone from Mars.""

At what point will the ease of immediate downloads outweigh a manual and a box to stick on your shelf (if it doesn't already)

It never will when you get stuff like this in your hands: Doom version 1.1 artwork/manual etc.

This story was previously posted to the L4C list. Here's the response I sent there:

An interesting, albeit unoriginal, take on the problem of WebApps. Unfortunately, I do not find his arguments very compelling.

What sense does [Thin Client technology] make when any modern laptop packs enough CPU and GPU power to put yesterday's Cray supercomputer to shame?

Quite a bit, actually. First and foremost is the convenience of application access. There is no software to install and you can use your applications anywhere you have access to a web browser. In addition, the rise of web applications has spurred the rise of web services. Web services share out tremendous amounts of public information allowing developers to "mashup" (I hate that term) data sources to produce superior applications. Compare that to the desktop where just getting the programs on your system to cooperate is a challenge! (To say nothing of networking.)

Concentrating computing power in the datacenter is fine if you're a Google or a Microsoft, but that approach puts a lot of pressure on smaller players.

FWIW, the author is propagating a misconception about web applications. His belief appears to be that web apps MUST push computing power to the server. Nothing could be further from the truth. Web apps are "rich" clients rather than thin clients. Rich clients are more than capable of accepting a significant processing load. Whether that be Video Games, Image Editors, 3D Engines, Fractal Explorers, or other compute-intensive applications, the client is more than ready to pull its weight.

I personally have written an application for my current employer that requires the client to dynamically sort a 100,000 record data set in nothing but client-side Javascript. Significant computer science had to go into creating an optimized, multi-threaded algorithm that would perform well on the lowest common denominator. (IE6) The next generation of browsers that are appearing (Chrome, Firefox 3.1, Opera 10, Safari 4) will have so much compute power that a problem like my 100,000 row sorter will become easy and commonplace. Furthermore, the standards are even adding true background threads to support long-running compute operations. (The standard is based on the Google Gears implementation, which is already available.)

The Web's stateless, mainly forms-based UI approach is reliable, but it's not necessarily the right model for every application.

The communications protocol is stateless. The UI is not. AJAX UIs know their state as well as any desktop application.

Buttons, controls, and widgets vary from app to app.

Anyone who lived through the development of GUI systems know that this is not a new issue. In fact, it used to be quite common for apps to eschew Windows controls in favor of something custom. Borland, for example, LOVED their custom controls. The rise of GNOME, KDE, Java, and .NET/Avalon/WFC have created just as many problems for the desktop.

That being said, flexibility appears to occasionally improve applications. Using GMail as an example, the design would be gimped rather than helped by a "standard" Windows XP look. The clean lines of the GMail interface manage to communicate a great deal of information without creating the sort of 3D visual noise seen in applications like Outlook.

Why give up the full range of languages, tools, and methodologies that systems programming has to offer? JavaScript has evolved into a respectable general-purpose language, but it can hardly be expected to be all things to all people.

Javascript is only one component to a very lar

"The lowest known dose fatal to an adult has been 3,200 mg - administered intravenously by accident. The fatal oral dose is in excess of 5,000 mg - the equivalent of 40 strong cups of coffee taken in a very short space of time. "

source

But its on the internet, so its gotta be true! Right?!?! Take it with a grain of salt and a cup o' joe.

Yay! Finally end users can enjoy Google as it was meant to be! I mean, standard IPv4 is fine and all, but it has been around ever since we switched to broadcasts in color, over 40 years ago. Such ancient technolology has no place in the 21st century, except in a museum. So now, with the help of our supportive ISPs, you can finally have the Sensational Internet Experience (tm) you so desperately need! ...

Now if only there would be a single consumer ISP in my country that would serve HD Internet addresses... right now, the only one that even acknowledges its existence is xs4all, and they offer only a 6to4 tunnel.

My guess is that it's because he's hosting the same content on two different domains.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~bsarempt/python/index.html
http://valdyas.org/python/index.html

Something similar happened to me recently as well. The google security thingy thought that my second domain with duplicate content was masquerading as some kind of phishing web site (since my original domain was still up).

I'm too lazy to actually check in this case, but it could even be a host of other things, like another site he doesn't own using the same ip address on some shared host, it could be some proxy, some relay, or some webmail, that he might possibly be hosting as well (he's a python programmer after all). It wouldn't have to an open relay, nor some public webmail accessible to all. Some employers are so paranoid about their employees using personal email, that they'd rather block most of the internet by default.

Drag a cross in the door

That is one thing that a Scientologist would not do: http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/fishman/index2.html

Per a list of online emulators (written in Java as applets) at http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=129627, there has already been online x86 emulation done for a while: x86 PC Online Emulator: http://www-jpc.physics.ox.ac.uk/ (try for example: type "c:", then "cd mario", then "mario") PC/XT emulator: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rjoris/retro/ "With Java applets already dead and buried" - umm... I think you are either thinking Java 1.1 or you are exaggerating a bit. While applet development went down quite a bit, there are still an abundance of Java applets around the web and a number of them still being developed. I think that applets will be around and continue to be developed for as long is it is supported in-browser.

Well I know that when I think of the first laptops the first one that comes to my mind is the Sharp PC500 since it had the flip up screen,it ran the software folks wanted at the time (MSDOS 2.0 was built into ROM) and it had a modem for communication.

Inside jokes are still funnier, IMHO. The best jokes are those that have the most surprising punchlines, or engage the maximum of brain activity (while still being decipherable). Personally, I think an unfamiliar academic context goes a long way toward supporting both of those concepts. Actually, a lot of my esoteric science knowledge originally came from researching jokes at the infamous http://www.xs4all.nl/~jcdverha/scijokes/index.html and I remember a lot of those being hilarious well before I had proper context for wholly understanding them. And nowadays I find Dinosaur Comics brilliant, seemingly component to my utter unfamiliarity with the field of linguistics, which Ryan North frequently refers to.

Admittedly, maybe that isn't true for everyone. But for me, anyway, the least funny humorists are always those that condescend or use humorous tropes that have already been done to death. I'd always rather have someone joking way over my head than at the level where I can figure out the punchline before I even hear it.

i don't know the exact details, but apparently others have given it some thought and seem to have arrived at various solutions to the problem.

It depends on the amount of users using the binaries. With the amount of binary group, it could be that some groups are not used at all.
Maintaining a Usenet server is more expensive the the traffic in most cases.

Some more numbers http://newsgate.news.xs4all.nl/ Almost 4.000GB per day or 120.000GB storage for 30 days retention. When looking at previous numbers, this means some 3GB per day in text or 90GB in text for 30 days retention.

This means that maintaining the binaries is a series of servers. Maintaining text only us much, much cheaper. The bandwith is not the only cost, Maintaining it is.

With text, you have two machines for redundancy and you are done

http://www.xs4all.nl/~jmvdveer/algol.html

See e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology)#Court_cases_involving_.22Fair_Game.22, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karin_Spaink, http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/, http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/cos/idx_coskit.html, http://home.snafu.de/tilman/j/general.html

See also this quote from Wikipedia:

In 1994, Vicky Aznaran, who had been the Chairman of the Board of the Religious Technology Center (the Church's central management body), claimed in an affidavit that Because of my position and the reports which regularly crossed my desk, I know that during my entire presidency of RTC "fair game" actions against enemies were daily routine. Apart from the legal tactics described below, the "fair game" activities included break-ins, libel, upsetting the companies of the enemy, espionage, harassment, misuse of confidential communications in the folders of community members and so forth.

This is one of the good reasons why the sect tends to be viewed with suspicion in Western Europe (the sect is currently defending itself in France against a charge of fraud (see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7604311.stm)). I'm still unclear as to exactly how sect has been able to secure the tax-exempt status of "church" with the US authorities. I have read that it was by successfully harassing the relevant officials, but that's quite hard to prove of course.

See e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology)#Court_cases_involving_.22Fair_Game.22, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karin_Spaink, http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/, http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/cos/idx_coskit.html, http://home.snafu.de/tilman/j/general.html

See also this quote from Wikipedia:

In 1994, Vicky Aznaran, who had been the Chairman of the Board of the Religious Technology Center (the Church's central management body), claimed in an affidavit that Because of my position and the reports which regularly crossed my desk, I know that during my entire presidency of RTC "fair game" actions against enemies were daily routine. Apart from the legal tactics described below, the "fair game" activities included break-ins, libel, upsetting the companies of the enemy, espionage, harassment, misuse of confidential communications in the folders of community members and so forth.

This is one of the good reasons why the sect tends to be viewed with suspicion in Western Europe (the sect is currently defending itself in France against a charge of fraud (see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7604311.stm)). I'm still unclear as to exactly how sect has been able to secure the tax-exempt status of "church" with the US authorities. I have read that it was by successfully harassing the relevant officials, but that's quite hard to prove of course.

Not exactly true. Look here.

"IIRC, flowering plants evolved during the Eocene, ~10 My after the K-T impact. This includes grasses."

The oldest know fossil of a flowering plant is about 125 million years old, so they certainly didn't evolve in the Eocene.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~steurh/engplant/eblad4.html
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/170/3957/547
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flowering_plant

Grasses were also around during the Cretaceous, and herbivorous dinosaurs ate them:

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/310/5751/1177

I thought most in the know see a far higher percentage, my ISP records over 95%:

Xs4all statistics

Makes me wonder about the rest.

No change at my ISP: http://www.xs4all.nl/en/veiligheid/statistieken.php

Paper about TBAV's engine linked on the page I mentioned above.

There a nice page about the history of ThunderByte AntiVirus (TBAV), which pioneered heuristic detection of polymorphic viruses, at a time when most of the other Antivirus were purely signature based (well. mostly. there also have been antivirus using regular expressions as signature, in order to handle some degree of polymorphism).

This specific antivirus was started in 1988, more than 15 years before Microsoft submited its patent (2004).
I think here microsoft broke a new world record.

Play the fools at their own game.

Print one of these out and keep it by the phone:
Anti-Telemarketing Script
Anti-Telemarketing Script
Anti-Telemarketing Script

Try here. Not flash and he apparently has every Dilbert ever since the beginning of time.

A few more details of the process are available at this wikipedia link and pages linked to it and are described in this collection of press releases.

This article/topic is neither.

Scientology and the Internet explains the history.

In brief:
- attacks on USENET involving forged rmgroups in 1995.
- attacks on USENET involving Hipcrime-style spam for many years since then.
- legal attacks that resulted in the compromise of every user of the anon.penet.fi anonymous remailer in 1996.
- Angry about copyright term extensions? What we jokingly refer to as the 1998 Mickey Mouse Protection Act was passed into law as the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act. By a staggering coincidence, Sonny Bono was a Scilon.
- Angry about the DMCA? The Mickey Moust Protection Act wasn't enough of a legal club, and guess who was one of the first organizations to use it in mid-1999?
- And guess who was behind the DMCA attacks against Google in 2002.

- And last but not least, guess who was behind the DMCA attack against Slashdot itself in 2001.

Sorry you haven't been paying attention for the past decade, dude, but this is news for nerds, and it is stuff that matters.

pSOS
That brings up memories.

I was there when WindRiver bought it. I made a fork that changed it to not use recursive make (see http://www.xs4all.nl/~evbergen/nonrecursive-make.html) however because no-one there was considered head honcho of that source tree it didn't get incorporated. I talked to another engineer and the same thing had happened to him. After that I realized that no matter what platitudes the PR folks were saying, they really had just bought it to kill it off. That, combined with the "Linux is the devil" attitude from management caused some serious disillusionment about the company. After I left I heard that management did an about face on the Linux front.

No doubt you are familiar with the Revelations section of the Bible where
various events are predicted. Also mentioned is a brief period of time in
which an arch-enemy of Christ, referred to as the anti-Christ, will reign and
his opinions will have sway. All this makes for very fantastic, entertaining
reading but there is truth in it. This anti-Christ represents the forces of
Lucifer (literally, the "light bearers" or "light bringer"), Lucifer being a
mythical representation of the forces of enlightenment, the Galactic
Confederacy. My mission could be said to fulfill the Biblical promise
represented by this brief anti-Christ period. During this period there is a
fleeting opportunity for the whole scenario to be effectively derailed, which
would make it impossible for the mass Marcabian landing (Second Coming) to take
place. The Second Coming is designed, among other things, to trigger a rapid
series of destructive events. ...

For those of you whose Christian toes I may have stepped on, let me take the
opportunity to disabuse you of some lovely myths. For instance, the historic
Jesus was not nearly the sainted figure has been made out to be. In addition
to being a lover of young boys and men, he was given to uncontrollable bursts of
temper and hatred that belied the general message of love, understanding and
other typical Marcab PR. You have only to look at the history his teachings
inspired to see where it all inevitably leads. It is historic fact and yet man
still clings to the ideal, so deep and insidious is the biologic implanting.

  L. RON HUBBARD as reported in
US District Court, Central District of California
Fishman Case No 91-6426 HLH (Tx)

However, with the Fishman affidavit, the whole case concerning Karin Spaink (see http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/fishman/home.html), and now this I feel strengthened in my support for the decision of the German government to outlaw this sect.

Regrettably it doesn't work like that in the US. We gave them the tax-exempt status of "church" instead.

Yeah, they got to to /. before. But! Though that post
was removed, it remains on the net! Take that,
you (cleared) jokers! Sometimes the good guys win!

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/fishman/home.html

David H.

Is this really new? alot of stuff I recognize from http://www.xs4all.nl/~johanw/CoS/ , a website last updated 2002.
For example, the aforementioned Page 117 and Page 75 (AKA Count Your Points vs. OSA)

Is this really new? alot of stuff I recognize from http://www.xs4all.nl/~johanw/CoS/ , a website last updated 2002.
For example, the aforementioned Page 117 and Page 75 (AKA Count Your Points vs. OSA)

Is this really new? alot of stuff I recognize from http://www.xs4all.nl/~johanw/CoS/ , a website last updated 2002.
For example, the aforementioned Page 117 and Page 75 (AKA Count Your Points vs. OSA)