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... not all Muslims, so far as I'm aware, throw homosexuals off of buildings.

True, it is mainly the ones that are in Islamic countries under Sharia law. Of course even Turkey isn't completely receptive at present either.

Turkish riot police crack down on banned Pride parade

Half of all British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, poll finds

Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK

Half of the Countries Where Same-Sex Acts Are Prohibited Are Islamic; Death Penalty in 13

What can you say about this?

Not that devout Muslims clearly don't have issues with homosexuals, but then again, I can go to a conservative Catholic forum and see the same anti-gay vitriol.

I doubt that you do, and to the extent that you could in a Catholic forum it wouldn't be consistent with church dogma which I expect will be more along the lines of homosexuality is an error, and disordered - hate the sin but love the sinner.

Right now the radical right is the ones doing the screaming

Sorry that's the left in berkely. Same with the bike lock attacker Nice collection of weapons pulled off antifa members who were looking to attack people at pro-trump/free speech rally. And I can really keep going, because there's not only dozens of cases like this but hundreds in the last 2 years.

Antifa are leftists of marxist/mao kind. BAMN are of the same kind, you also need to toss in their little cult camps. And people on the right didn't start responding until the left started going "OH NO, they're not us." We don't condone anything, while letting them slip back into the crows and cover them. Professor bikelock is the most recent and famous example of this. Now what I want you to do is freeze it within the first 3 seconds. You see all those masked people happily moving within that group of unmasked leftists?

Find any video where people are filming antifa and you'll see: Antifa slip into the crowd or part of the crowd, attack someone/attack in a group/crowd of unmasked leftists cover for them and let them slip back in.

The amount of complaining on the internet hasn't changed.

I'll concede, that there was complaining and there still is — from another direction. But the quantitative estimate needs citations — what makes you think, the amount hasn't changed?

For example, over 8 years Obama racked up about a score of verified death-threats. It may be too early to tell for Trump, but if Bush is any indication, he'll have so many, Secret Service will stop investigating...

Indeed, I can not recall anyone beaten up, or anything set on fire or otherwise destroyed during an anti-Obama protest...

It's just moved venues.

It also stopped being racist — as I keep pointing out — without becoming sexist instead...

don't imagine that the Obama administration was free of public outrage.

It having existed does not mean, there was just as much of it.

Oh, was that [washingtonpost.com] what [thedailybeast.com] you wanted?

Yes, something like that, except targeting not a particular person (like Obama), but "all the vile evil non-believers and sinners who have either actively or passively decided to follow Satan".

Because wishing ill to a particular person — including President of the US — is really old shtick.

while deliberately failing to consider that the prayers in question were for the misery and suffering of others.

The distinction you are trying to make is without difference. They are still merely prayers. Words. Not actions. Not even calls for actions, which is what the Illiberals are doing.

Whish is worse — praying for suffering of political opponents (if indeed such praying takes place at all), or causing the suffering of political opponents?

You need to sit back

OMG, a wanna-be anonymous troll teaches me, how to troll properly?..

never read about murder fantasies on slashdot when the previous prez was sworn in.

No, actually, I haven't. Maybe, because there were very few, and the idiots got promptly prosecuted?

Let me refresh your memory.

Ok explain to me why this is okay, but this isn't?

Why is this okay but this isn't?

If you say because one is black and the other is white then you are the textbook definition of a racist.

Some of it is pretty black and white: did Republicans riot? No. Did Democrats / Progressives / the Left riot? Yes.

It's not a new story.

Death Threats Against Bush at Protests Ignored for Years

Just like there are multiple dimensions to politics (fiscal, social, economic, civil rights, foreign policy, ...) instead of just one (hates black people, doesn't hate black people) * there is more than one dimension in which recess appointments can be measured. Here's a question for you: which recent US president received a 9-0 smack down at the US Supreme Court over recess appointments? Clinton? Bush? Obama?

SCOTUS strikes appointments

Do you think that the Supreme Court did this because it is "racist"? Just "trying to keep the black man down"? Or is there something else going on there? Well, there is something different than "hates the black man" in striking down Obama actions there, just as there is something different going on in opposing Obama's other policies and actions by members of Congress. Frankly, attributing opposition to VERY LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC president Obama to "just racism" is more than a little stupid and dishonest.

By the way, are you familiar with the writings of one of Barack Obama's friends and mentors? Kind of "outside" the mainstream, huh?

* You following this?

No, what Iran needs is for our Right Wing politicians to stop meddling in their politics. They were well on their way to modernizing until we decided they were just a little too 'commie' for our tastes and disposed their democratically elected gov't.

I can help you with that point of confusion. The person that overthrew the democratically elected Iranian government was the Iranian Prime Minister. He dissolved parliament, was ruling by decree, faked an election, and caused the legitimate head of state (the Shah) to flee. The US and UK assisted in restoring Iran's legitimate head of state to power. It's history, I suggest you look into it.

As to being "too commie", most of the world has rejected that. It sucks as a form of government and delivers substandard results, usually with great loss of life and enormous oppression. Communist regimes were pretty much environmental horror shows with poisonous legacies that will last for decades or longer.

I'm willing to go so far as to agree that Obama is currently the greatest American president currently in power. He isn't a great American president. The true miracle is that things haven't turned out worse given his close relationship with the man that wrote Prarie Fire .

Your ideas about "pointless war" so "they could line their pockets" and "use fear to control America" doesn't stand much scrutiny. If the "mighty" MIC was so powerful, how did it go from 40% of GDP at the end of WW2 to only about 4.5% GDP today? What other institution would you consider super threatening if it lost 90% of the resources it used to control?

You know what is insane? People that believe the crap that you do! The US system is "one person, one vote." Corporations can't buy votes, Israel can't and doesn't buy votes. There isn't any Constitutional problem here. Israel gets US backing because that is what the US voters want. Why do you have a problem with that? Doesn't it make sense to you that the only liberal democracy in the region with strong cultural ties to the US and Europe would be an ally? It is the hatred for Israel that is insane. Get a load of this, is that how you roll?

As a Constitutional matter everyone running is qualified. As a political matter pretty much all of them are qualified as well, including pretty much every Republican.

Sanders is an interesting fellow. He seems to be both more open and honest than many of his peers and competitors in the Democratic party, especially H. Clinton. He seems to listen to his constituents despite having some strong particular ideological leanings. Although his policy proposals would bankrupt the US he is probably preferable to Hillary Clinton, especially with a Republican Congress. Clinton's appeal escapes me in pretty much every respect. She has serious temperament issues (record of abusive, vindictive, and arrogant conduct), integrity problems, meager genuine accomplishments, and a penchant for failing solutions. She married well, which is perhaps why she simultaneously maintains that women making rape claims should be believed but has helped suppress women alleging Bill Clinton raped them.

The US middle and working classes are in trouble. A better economy would be a big help, but Obama administration policies and Democratic demands have largely served to either drive things further off the rails or to stifle a stronger economic recovery.

There is something of a pattern in this: No Country for Burly Men
The Democrats block attempts at reforms aimed preventing damage and implement programs that do damage.
The Republicans attempted to reform the mortgage industry problems that led directly to the economic implosion, and the democrats blocked it.
President Obama's time in office has been a disaster for black Americans.
"Obamacare" is imploding.

As to the whole Democrat / social democrat / "socialist" / Socialist / Communist thing ... why don't you take a few minutes to look at this. It was written by a man who was a friend and mentor to Obama, it is said he was the ghostwriter for one of his books. And here is another very close adviser, and there is someone President Obama appointed as the "green jobs czar." We're dealing with more than "social democrats" here already. However they are constrained by laws until they either change or ignore them and the Congress. They won elections, not a revolution.

And after conversations are encrypted effort will be made to render traffic analysis useless as well.

In short: aiding the enemy.

I think I've seen reasoning like that before.

The bodies in Paris, only the latest kills in the West, are barely cold, and you apparently want more. Unfortunately that is very likely to happen.

The thing that puzzles me is the indifference. What is that? Autism? Narcissism? Lack of empathy? Misplaced idealism? Distorted thinking? Common cause with al Qaeda? Or simply wanting to see the world burn?

There is plenty of classical Islamic art with pictures of The Prophet. http://www.picturesfromhistory... http://www.religionfacts.com/i... http://www.zombietime.com/moha...

Along with that they should declare that every time a reporter working for one of their papers is killed in an attempt to silence them, they will again run Muhammads image on the front page of their papers. The responsibility for the image will be the attackers and they'll burn in hell for their idolatry. Want to stay out of hell? Stop murdering people.

"The satire will continue until the killing stops": http://www.tjradcliffe.com/?p=...

We should all be making as much fun of Islamists and their blessed prophet as we can. I like my caricature of Mohammed more than yours, though:

~0:-{=

(complete with bomb in turban, like in the Jyllands-Posten cartoon: http://www.zombietime.com/moha...)

A London theater refused to stage a Jewish film festival because the event had received a small grant from the Israeli embassy.

Oh no! The next step must surely be the gas chambers!

That is "+2 Insightful"!? No, that is taking a cherry picked AC comment intended to mislead and then using moderation to lie.

There is no shortage of idiots in the world.

One other thing you should consider - there is a meaningful overlap among people that want to kill the Jews and people that want to kill the LGBT community. If you keep down playing the threat to the Jews you are down playing the threat to the LGBT community even if you don't realize it. That relationship isn't always clear, or explicit, but it is there.

Of course some people are so conflicted they don't seem to be able to notice.

The "fun" part is that being anti-Israel currently is less antisemitic than it is antifascist...

The "fun" part is how thin that beard is, especially when European Jews are being threatened and attacked as part of the rioting and violence in various European countries when the object of the protests is supposedly Israel.

‘Gas the Jews!’: European anti-Semitism during the Gaza crisis

"They are not screaming 'death to the Israelis' on the streets of Paris, " Roger Cuikerman, head of French Jewish political group CRIF, said. "They are screaming ‘death to the Jews.'" ....

According to the Associated Press, anti-Semitic slogans have popped up in protests inside Germany. "Gas the Jews," has been chanted at some protests, according to the Associated Press

Well, many people have a hard time "thinking straight" when it comes to Israel.

Obviously we can't have the idea of the fringe Left engaging in political violence floating in polite company. After all, what would that do to the "peace" movement?

Bridge bombing case: Appellate court upholds the sentences of 4 terror suspects

The men had pleaded guilty in federal court in Akron to conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction and other weapons charges.

A federal jury convicted a fifth man, Joshua Stafford, of similar charges. Dowd sentenced him to 10 years in prison in October.

Why don't you make that when the Cuban people are free? I can't see certain parts of Europe and the Arab League lightening up on Israel any time soon in the UN. Some people really go off the rails on the subject.

You might want to learn some history yourself.

From the perspective of today it is difficult to imagine the turbulence that the US was undergoing at the time. It started with the Civil Rights movements carrying forward from the 1950s, which resulted in continuing and growing struggles (both among races and between the states and Federal government), and passed through social upheaval, mass protest over Vietnam, race riots, political unrest, and an ongoing armed struggle against communism around the world that was proving difficult. The US even had its own active communist terrorist underground.

Gov. Wallace Attempts to Block Integration - June 11, 1963
Six Days of Watts Race Riot 1965/08
Stock Footage - DETROIT RIOTS 1967
Chicago Fire Dept. - Chicago Westside Riots 1968
A look back at the 1968 Democratic Convention
Washington DC 1968 Riots

Yes, there were abuses, there was over stepping, there were injustices done by those in power. But their actions weren't occurring in a vacuum. Not all those who dissented were peaceful or innocent, some were deadly violent. Some "dissenters" wanted to change society by overthrowing the government. There were changes that needed to happen in society, problems in and with government that needed to be fixed. But not everyone that was seeking change at the time had unrealistic ideas about the world, and human nature. They tore down the social fabric without anything sturdy enough to replace it. You should be thankful if you don't see days like that again in the US. Some quite reasonably thought that the country might come apart. Cities burned. And it wasn't just the US, it was happening in countries around the world to varying degrees.

1968: Prague, Berlin, and Paris

Weather Underground: William Ayers' forgotten communist manifesto: Prairie Fire

Kent State tape indicates altercation and pistol fire preceded National Guard shootings (audio)

WTF is that Kent State link? The author of the linked article muses on the speculation that a gun-toting, paid FBI informant was the instigator of the Kent State shootings. Are you saying that FBI COINTELPRO has culpability in the Kent State massacre? If so, I think that goes way beyond "heavy handed"

Right before it, you post a link to an article that's not really about the Weather Underground (as labeled), but is an opinion piece that attempts to smear Obama with the alleged sins of William Ayers.

What a clumsy, disjointed post. Dude, is everything OK? You're usually a lot more adept at getting your authoritarian apologist ideas expressed in writing.

Come on, tell us exactly how these terrorists destroyed America 40 years ago by telling Americans they were being spied on by America.

They weren't terrorists engaged in violence, and they didn't destroy America. The crimes they committed were more or less breaking and entering, and theft of documents.

The actual terrorists engaged in a campaign of violence at the time were the Weather Underground. They had a goal of violently overthrowing the US government and economic system to replace it with revolutionary communism. If you read the very bottom section of the second link, the transcript, you can see how far they were prepared to go to accomplish it. I've heard numbers like that before, and you should too.

Shall we commence with the ironic moderation?

And thus you descend from transparency into ludicrousity.

You're attempting to twist Snowden into the role of Al-Qaeda, denying him the position alongside those long-ago whistleblowers as a defender of freedom.

Yes, the Weathermen and the Panthers and others of their ilk were a matter of national concern and rightfully targets of FBI investigation. But the FBI was more than just the nation's domestic investigative body, it was also J. Edgar Hoover's personal fiefdom. He didn't simply lead it, he steered it to his own private benefit and the benefit of those leaders whom he wished to favor. That included absurd attempts to link public figures that he disapproved of to enemies of the State for the purposes of character assasination. Not just terrorists, no. Even the Godless Evil Communists! He also worked as a chilling effect against many organizations that were otherwise inclined to be peaceful, stirring up division and mistrust to the point where you pretty much had to be a committed radical to even consider getting invoved.

Then, as now, what was meant to serve the public was being distorted to meet other agendas. And then, as now, the lid needed to be ripped off and the roaches exposed to the light of day.

And somehow, we survived it.

Come on, tell us exactly how these terrorists destroyed America 40 years ago by telling Americans they were being spied on by America.

They weren't terrorists engaged in violence, and they didn't destroy America. The crimes they committed were more or less breaking and entering, and theft of documents.

The actual terrorists engaged in a campaign of violence at the time were the Weather Underground. They had a goal of violently overthrowing the US government and economic system to replace it with revolutionary communism. If you read the very bottom section of the second link, the transcript, you can see how far they were prepared to go to accomplish it. I've heard numbers like that before, and you should too.

Shall we commence with the ironic moderation?

And thus you descend from transparency into ludicrousity.

You're attempting to twist Snowden into the role of Al-Qaeda, denying him the position alongside those long-ago whistleblowers as a defender of freedom.

Yes, the Weathermen and the Panthers and others of their ilk were a matter of national concern and rightfully targets of FBI investigation. But the FBI was more than just the nation's domestic investigative body, it was also J. Edgar Hoover's personal fiefdom. He didn't simply lead it, he steered it to his own private benefit and the benefit of those leaders whom he wished to favor. That included absurd attempts to link public figures that he disapproved of to enemies of the State for the purposes of character assasination. Not just terrorists, no. Even the Godless Evil Communists! He also worked as a chilling effect against many organizations that were otherwise inclined to be peaceful, stirring up division and mistrust to the point where you pretty much had to be a committed radical to even consider getting invoved.

Then, as now, what was meant to serve the public was being distorted to meet other agendas. And then, as now, the lid needed to be ripped off and the roaches exposed to the light of day.

And somehow, we survived it.

Come on, tell us exactly how these terrorists destroyed America 40 years ago by telling Americans they were being spied on by America.

They weren't terrorists engaged in violence, and they didn't destroy America. The crimes they committed were more or less breaking and entering, and theft of documents.

The actual terrorists engaged in a campaign of violence at the time were the Weather Underground. They had a goal of violently overthrowing the US government and economic system to replace it with revolutionary communism. If you read the very bottom section of the second link, the transcript, you can see how far they were prepared to go to accomplish it. I've heard numbers like that before, and you should too.

Shall we commence with the ironic moderation?

Come on, tell us exactly how these terrorists destroyed America 40 years ago by telling Americans they were being spied on by America.

They weren't terrorists engaged in violence, and they didn't destroy America. The crimes they committed were more or less breaking and entering, and theft of documents.

The actual terrorists engaged in a campaign of violence at the time were the Weather Underground. They had a goal of violently overthrowing the US government and economic system to replace it with revolutionary communism. If you read the very bottom section of the second link, the transcript, you can see how far they were prepared to go to accomplish it. I've heard numbers like that before, and you should too.

Shall we commence with the ironic moderation?

This is a useful reminder that government can be heavy handed. The group that did this made careful plans, took a big risk, and the results are still being talked about and referenced today. It contributed to reform. COINTELPRO is regularly referenced in Slashdot discussions, relevant or not.

Although COINTELPRO is remembered, few bother to remember the other side of the equation, which is the conduct of the radicals. There were those that went past legitimate protest, past civil disobedience, and turned to violence: bombs, arson, shooting. One famous example, the Weather Underground.

Weather Underground: William Ayers' forgotten communist manifesto: Prairie Fire
Kent State tape indicates altercation and pistol fire preceded National Guard shootings (audio)

This is a useful reminder that government can be heavy handed. The group that did this made careful plans, took a big risk, and the results are still being talked about and referenced today. It contributed to reform. COINTELPRO is regularly referenced in Slashdot discussions, relevant or not.

Although COINTELPRO is remembered, few bother to remember the other side of the equation, which is the conduct of the radicals. There were those that went past legitimate protest, past civil disobedience, and turned to violence: bombs, arson, shooting. One famous example, the Weather Underground.

Weather Underground: William Ayers' forgotten communist manifesto: Prairie Fire
Kent State tape indicates altercation and pistol fire preceded National Guard shootings (audio)

despite Pelosi being an ordinary centrist Democrat

Pelosi is reliably elected by what is almost certainly the most wack-o community in the US. How many places in the US hold rallies for nudity? (I can't locate it at zombietime.com at the moment, but one of zombie's photo collections includes pictures of nude men at a street festival sporting their grapefruit-sized, air-inflated scrotums - real "centrist" stuff.)

Which is to say, a bit to the left of the DLC/Third Way, a bit more to the left of the neoliberals: just about at the median of US voters.

The DLC was/is nothing more than a ploy to disguise the leftist ideological bent of the Democrat Party leadership which is well to the left of most of the DP base and way, way to the left of US voters. The DP learned its lesson when Nixon destroyed McGovern in the 1972 election and the DP has been lying about its radical political agenda ever since. The actual median of US voters as revealed in issue-by-issue polls is in the direction of limiting govt to a degree much greater than that supported by the people running the Republican Party at the national level. The DP isn't even in the same frame of reference as the median US voter.

They have no understanding of how a legislature that intends to endure for many years and which uses parliamentary rules of procedure, actually works

On the contrary, they know exactly how an amoral, win-at-any-cost, use-any-means-necessary-to-attain-absolute-political-power cunt like Pelosi works. She has no respect for the rule of law or the US Constitution or the rights of American Citizens.

Pelosi is, to be sure, a very good political manager

No, she manages nothing. She is simply ruthless and devoid of conscience. She was very effective from 2008-2010, mostly because she was a hardcore ideologue who was dealing with a flaccid opposition party leadership. If she had to deal with an opposition party which was as committed to the desires of the American People as Pelosi was to her own ideological hunger for power, she would not have fared so well. Pelosi's real accomplishment was in brow-beating Democrats into voting for legislation that Americans did not want and which Democrats knew would severely damage their party for many years, particularly if Obamacare is ever repealed. That's not to say that Americans will ever forgive the DP for Obamacare, rather that Obamacare will allow the federal govt. to coercively suppress political dissent.

Under communism there will be free people.

Quite so, they will be free from liberty, free from plenty, free from democracy, free from justice. It will be just like pretty much every other communist country.

To get to communism we need to free the workers and put the capitalists under the workers dictatorship.

Communist "workers" dictatorships have been a bloody mess resulting in poverty and oppression pretty much everywhere they've been in power. Communism killed 100,000,000 people in the last century.

In the US, the last group that seriously pursued that goal had a similar plan in mind. You may want to pay special attention to the very bottom section of the page under "Additional links."

Perhaps you mean well, or perhaps this is simply your preferred troll, but if you are serious, you should look into this book: The Black Book of Communism - Review

Apparently written by someone that has never really looked into politics in the US. The US has a full political spectrum, including communists* and socialists just like Europe. The thing is that most Americans won't vote for communists if they understand that is who is running for office.

SEIU drops mask, goes full commie
William Ayers' forgotten communist manifesto: Prairie Fire (Who is BILL AYERS ?

*Including the "eliminationist" variety. See William Ayer's manifesto above.

Numerous Irish women are doing it now because the constitution of the country has been amended to make it legal.

Was this supposed to be a counter-argument?..

There's always freedom of movement - and an authoritarian government is far more likely to deny it.

There is nothing "authoritarian" about Romney in general nor in his views on abortion in particular. Though I don't share this opinion myself, various cultures world-wide believe, life begins at conception — heck, the entire China counts people's age from that point (however approximate).

you with your libertarian views will join the gays, the openly atheist and other "subversives" in the camps.

What camps? Michael Moore is still alive, free, and enjoying his substantial wealth made by criticizing and mocking the government... No one raised an eyebrow over calls to kill Bush, but simply mocking the President now may lead to the offender's losing his livelihood. NSA's surveillance blossoms, as does TSA's abuse of travelers (spilling already from airports to train stations). IRS is used — with Obama's knowledge if not outright direction — to suppress opposition. Are you sure, it is the Republicans, who are the "authoritarian" ones?

As for armed/disarmed, if you're not willing to use the guns to protect your liberties - and you here are explicitly arguing that you'd be willing to trade off a lot of them for lower taxes, more or less - then what use are they?

There may be a point, in a not-so-distant future, when the government is not quite yet able to openly use officers to kill, beat-up, and otherwise suppress opposition, but is already able to send pro-government "enforcers" to do the job, while the officers are ordered to look the other way. It happened in Côte d’Ivoire, it happened in Zimbabwe, it happened in Chicago, and in Philadelphia. Being able to resist that kind of threat is why citizens should be able to arm themselves without much ado.

"Socialist" countries with more personal liberties - like Western Europe - are doing far better than authoritarian countries with more economic liberties, in terms of how well off their citizens actually are.

Citation needed.

Oh I have no problem with managers per-se, - I just believe they should have some experience working on the factory floor so they know what they're actually asking of people

There is a good reason, most of the military officers have never been enlisted men. Being a good worker and a good manager are completely different things...

I just don't trust someone who has never in their life experienced even a hint of poverty to run a country with consideration for a population where roughly 1 in 4 people is unemployed or underemployed.

Trust? If anything, I'd trust a politician like Romney or Bloomberg — who became independently wealthy before entering politics — than the guys like Obama, who became rich as a result of being politicians. Do you honestly and sincerely believe, Michelle Obama would've obtained the position with $273k annual salary in Chicago hospitals-system, if her husband weren't a US Senator by then?

Just what makes you trust Obama? He never worked on a factory floor either, nor successfully managed anything of note, nor ever created anything other people were willing to pay their own money for.

His governing for four years was a nightmare — or should've been, if you were paying attention. He turned Bush's detentions of alleged terrorists into killings of the same people. TSA's abuse of travelers blossomed, as did NSA's surveillance. IRS is used to suppress oppostion — under Obama's direction. You may not consider Obamacare to be bad, but it is poised to fail — was designed to fail — which is very likely to lead to a renewed push for "single-payer" setup giving the government complete and utter control of our health. Whereas calls to kill Bush were brushed off as an exercise of free speech (though such calls are felonies, strictly speaking), mere mocking of the President today can cost a person their career and livelihood. Foreigners still dislike us, while the unemployment figures remain far above, what Democrats themselves condemned as "jobless recovery" only a few years earlier.

And you willingly ignored all of that because of Romney's personal views (which he was not even promising his supporters to turn into policy) on a freaking abortion? Wow...

Romney is modern nobility through and through

I bet, you supported Al Gore despite these reasons... I have no problems with nobility rising from the merchant and industrialist class. Their ancestors made their wealth be creating and selling things, that other people wanted to buy — not through warfare or even politics. I'll take that nobility over a fatherless child of an ignoble philanderer, who traveled around the world "marrying" local comfort women and siring children with them only to divorce them a few years later without bothering about the kids' welfare or upbringing.

As for abortions - that's great for your daughter. But a massive slice of the population is struggling just to get by

And that is exactly my point. Personal wealth — which Romney's government would've be

Israel's justification for starting the 1967 war is the Eygptian blockade of the Straits of Tiran.

So, Israel's justification for attack was an act of war by Egypt? Brilliant!!

Except that means that any and all attacks from Hamas or Hezbollah in response to Israel's total blockade of Gaza are completely justified, according to Israeli rules.

Wrong again. First, it isn't a total blockade. If it was, the Palestinian Arabs in Gaza would not have been able to build a new shopping center, would they? But weapons are being stopped, like the many Iranian rockets being smuggled into Gaza.

Biggest mall in Gaza Strip opens its doors

Second, Gaza is not a nation state, but a territory. It shouldn't be attacking anyone. Any attacks coming from there are either direct aggression by the Hamas government, or terrorism

Third, it doesn't have an army, navy, or air force.

Just as Israel's possession of a couple hundred nuclear weapons means that they should be threatened with economy-destroying sanctions and military strikes, if Iran is threatened with the same in case they someday decide they want a nuclear weapon.

Israel is not a member of the Non Proliferation Treaty, it has no obligations under the treaty, and its possession of nuclear weapons is unproven. Iran is a member, has obligations, and they seem to be in breach of treaty on top of being rebuked by the UN Secretary General for repeatedly threatening Israel's existence. Note that the issue between Israel and Iran is totally Iran's fault. Israel and Iran were allies when the Shah governed Iran. It was only after the Islamic revolution that the new Iranian government declared Israel an enemy to be destroyed. Israel did nothing to warrant that.

So, you continue to side with would-be genocidal aggressors and repeatedly condemn the only liberal democracy in the Middle East, often on specious grounds. For some reason this comes to mind:

Queers for Palestine

No single group better exemplifies the cognitive dissonance on display at these rallies than Queers for Palestine, also known as QUIT -- Queers Undermining Israeli Terror. What is left to say about the fundamental self-contradicting nature of such a group?

In Israel, gays live openly and happily in a free and liberal society. There is a thriving gay scene, just as there is in the United States and many other Western democracies.

But in Palestine -- as in most Islamic countries -- being gay is not only frowned upon, it is a crime often punishable by death. Tales of what life is like for gays in Palestinian society are horrifying in the extreme. In fact, gay youth in Palestine frequently flee to Israel if they can get a chance.
So why in the world would gay activists in the most gay-friendly city on Earth protest against one of the other centers of gay liberation (Israel) and for one of the planet's most violently oppressive homophobic societies?

This is the essence of cognitive dissonance -- the condition of holding two differing beliefs that are so incompatible and contradictory that the only way to internally reconcile them is to, well, go insane (to use the layman's term). Because, try as I might, I can't comprehend any other justification for being a member of QUIT other than insanity. ...more

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Which, for some reason, also entitled them to seize a great deal of sur

Israel's justification for starting the 1967 war is the Eygptian blockade of the Straits of Tiran.

So, Israel's justification for attack was an act of war by Egypt? Brilliant!!

Except that means that any and all attacks from Hamas or Hezbollah in response to Israel's total blockade of Gaza are completely justified, according to Israeli rules.

Wrong again. First, it isn't a total blockade. If it was, the Palestinian Arabs in Gaza would not have been able to build a new shopping center, would they? But weapons are being stopped, like the many Iranian rockets being smuggled into Gaza.

Biggest mall in Gaza Strip opens its doors

Second, Gaza is not a nation state, but a territory. It shouldn't be attacking anyone. Any attacks coming from there are either direct aggression by the Hamas government, or terrorism

Third, it doesn't have an army, navy, or air force.

Just as Israel's possession of a couple hundred nuclear weapons means that they should be threatened with economy-destroying sanctions and military strikes, if Iran is threatened with the same in case they someday decide they want a nuclear weapon.

Israel is not a member of the Non Proliferation Treaty, it has no obligations under the treaty, and its possession of nuclear weapons is unproven. Iran is a member, has obligations, and they seem to be in breach of treaty on top of being rebuked by the UN Secretary General for repeatedly threatening Israel's existence. Note that the issue between Israel and Iran is totally Iran's fault. Israel and Iran were allies when the Shah governed Iran. It was only after the Islamic revolution that the new Iranian government declared Israel an enemy to be destroyed. Israel did nothing to warrant that.

So, you continue to side with would-be genocidal aggressors and repeatedly condemn the only liberal democracy in the Middle East, often on specious grounds. For some reason this comes to mind:

Queers for Palestine

No single group better exemplifies the cognitive dissonance on display at these rallies than Queers for Palestine, also known as QUIT -- Queers Undermining Israeli Terror. What is left to say about the fundamental self-contradicting nature of such a group?

In Israel, gays live openly and happily in a free and liberal society. There is a thriving gay scene, just as there is in the United States and many other Western democracies.

But in Palestine -- as in most Islamic countries -- being gay is not only frowned upon, it is a crime often punishable by death. Tales of what life is like for gays in Palestinian society are horrifying in the extreme. In fact, gay youth in Palestine frequently flee to Israel if they can get a chance.
So why in the world would gay activists in the most gay-friendly city on Earth protest against one of the other centers of gay liberation (Israel) and for one of the planet's most violently oppressive homophobic societies?

This is the essence of cognitive dissonance -- the condition of holding two differing beliefs that are so incompatible and contradictory that the only way to internally reconcile them is to, well, go insane (to use the layman's term). Because, try as I might, I can't comprehend any other justification for being a member of QUIT other than insanity. ...more

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Which, for some reason, also entitled them to seize a great deal of sur

The United States doesn't really have a left-wing party.

That is a mistaken idea commonly held by people without a strong understanding of the American political system and politics. The US does in fact have a full political spectrum from left to right, including real, honest to Lenin and Marx Communists , and Communist Party. (More than one, actually.) It even includes people who have been willing to go the Stalin or Pol Pot route (see below after reading the rest of this). The difference is that people in the United States generally won't vote for Communists if they understand that is who is running for office. That is why many on the hard left camouflage themselves by rhetorically moving to the center and refer to themselves as progressives, or some other label, to merge into the larger body of the moderate left. If they make it into government, they are forced to govern by incrementalism using ordinary political means since they gain office by votes, not by revolution.

When Emeritus Isn't Automatic

"I intend to vote against conferring the honorific title of our university to a man whose body of work includes a book dedicated in part to the man who murdered my father, Robert F. Kennedy. There can be no place in a democracy to celebrate political assassinations or to honor those who do so."

Who is BILL AYERS? (This page has link to download the Prarie Fire political manifesto referenced below.)

William Ayers says Weather Underground, Boston bombings not same

William Ayers' forgotten communist manifesto: Prairie Fire

We are a guerrilla organization. We are communist women and men, underground in the United States for more than four years. . . .

...We need a revolutionary communist party in order to lead the struggle, give coherence and direction to the fight, seize power and build a new society.

And more....

The Weather Underground openly discussed exterminating 25 million Americans who refused to be "re-educated" into communism...

... I bought up the subject of what's going to happen after we take over the government. We, we become responsible, then, for administrating, you know, 250 million people.

And there was no answers. No one had given any thought to economics; how are you going to clothe and feed these people.

The only thing that I could get, was that they expected that the Cubans and the North Vietnamese and Chinese and the Russians would all want to occupy different portions of the United States.

They also believed that their immediate responsibility would be to protect against what they called the counter-revolution. And they felt that this counter-revolution could best be guarded against by creating and establishing re-education centers in the southwest, where we would take all the people who needed to be re-educated into the new way of thinking and teach them... how things were going to be.

I asked, well, what's going to happen to those people that we can't re-educate; that are die-hard capitalists. And the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated. And when I pursued this further, they estimated that they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these re-education centers. And when I say eliminate, I mean kill. 25 million people.

I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees from Columbia and other well known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 2

... a bunch of right wing loony tunes

You're writing some comedy gold there. Israel is a left leaning liberal democracy of about 5 million people surrounded by more than 100 million that would do them in if they could, not because of what they've done, but because of who they are - Jews. But the double minded thinking about Israel reaches astonishing heights. Just think about the question of gay rights. Don't you live somewhere in the Bay area? Maybe you've seen these guys:

Queers for Palestine

No single group better exemplifies the cognitive dissonance on display at these rallies than Queers for Palestine, also known as QUIT -- Queers Undermining Israeli Terror. What is left to say about the fundamental self-contradicting nature of such a group?

In Israel, gays live openly and happily in a free and liberal society. There is a thriving gay scene, just as there is in the United States and many other Western democracies.

But in Palestine -- as in most Islamic countries -- being gay is not only frowned upon, it is a crime often punishable by death. Tales of what life is like for gays in Palestinian society are horrifying in the extreme. In fact, gay youth in Palestine frequently flee to Israel if they can get a chance.

So why in the world would gay activists in the most gay-friendly city on Earth protest against one of the other centers of gay liberation (Israel) and for one of the planet's most violently oppressive homophobic societies?

This is the essence of cognitive dissonance -- the condition of holding two differing beliefs that are so incompatible and contradictory that the only way to internally reconcile them is to, well, go insane (to use the layman's term). Because, try as I might, I can't comprehend any other justification for being a member of QUIT other than insanity. ...more

Socialism, in the form of the Kibbutz - collective farms - was a strong early influence and institution in Israel before the country even existed, and they survive to this day.

Despite all that, many on the left still have a problem with Israel.

The European Left and Its Trouble With Jews

Some people confuse the unwillingness of Israelis to be exterminated with being "right wing."

and a single line written by goatherders about Jews in Zion...

You might be a few lines short. As a minimum, 66 books minus one line short.

ya know what? if their God is so damned weak that it can't keep a handful of people in one place without the US military?

I don't believe that the US military has ever fought alongside Israelis in any war other than putting a Patriot antiaircraft missile battery in Israel during the 1991 Gulf War as a concession to keep Israel from attacking Iraq when Saddam inevitably attacked them. So all of the major wars that Israel has fought for its existence have been by their effort, not American effort, Israeli blood, not American.

Then you have a shitty God and should really go elsewhere.

Not really an option. The Jewish people are tied to Jerusalem as the only place where they can build their temple. Christians are tied to it as well as an offshoot of Judaism, and the place where Jesus lived and was crucified. The truly sticky part is that Muslims consider it their third most holy site as well.

As a counterpoint to your statement, Blaise Pascal thought the continued existence of the Jews was a proof of the existence of miracles.

... a bunch of right wing loony tunes

You're writing some comedy gold there. Israel is a left leaning liberal democracy of about 5 million people surrounded by more than 100 million that would do them in if they could, not because of what they've done, but because of who they are - Jews. But the double minded thinking about Israel reaches astonishing heights. Just think about the question of gay rights. Don't you live somewhere in the Bay area? Maybe you've seen these guys:

Queers for Palestine

No single group better exemplifies the cognitive dissonance on display at these rallies than Queers for Palestine, also known as QUIT -- Queers Undermining Israeli Terror. What is left to say about the fundamental self-contradicting nature of such a group?

In Israel, gays live openly and happily in a free and liberal society. There is a thriving gay scene, just as there is in the United States and many other Western democracies.

But in Palestine -- as in most Islamic countries -- being gay is not only frowned upon, it is a crime often punishable by death. Tales of what life is like for gays in Palestinian society are horrifying in the extreme. In fact, gay youth in Palestine frequently flee to Israel if they can get a chance.

So why in the world would gay activists in the most gay-friendly city on Earth protest against one of the other centers of gay liberation (Israel) and for one of the planet's most violently oppressive homophobic societies?

This is the essence of cognitive dissonance -- the condition of holding two differing beliefs that are so incompatible and contradictory that the only way to internally reconcile them is to, well, go insane (to use the layman's term). Because, try as I might, I can't comprehend any other justification for being a member of QUIT other than insanity. ...more

Socialism, in the form of the Kibbutz - collective farms - was a strong early influence and institution in Israel before the country even existed, and they survive to this day.

Despite all that, many on the left still have a problem with Israel.

The European Left and Its Trouble With Jews

Some people confuse the unwillingness of Israelis to be exterminated with being "right wing."

and a single line written by goatherders about Jews in Zion...

You might be a few lines short. As a minimum, 66 books minus one line short.

ya know what? if their God is so damned weak that it can't keep a handful of people in one place without the US military?

I don't believe that the US military has ever fought alongside Israelis in any war other than putting a Patriot antiaircraft missile battery in Israel during the 1991 Gulf War as a concession to keep Israel from attacking Iraq when Saddam inevitably attacked them. So all of the major wars that Israel has fought for its existence have been by their effort, not American effort, Israeli blood, not American.

Then you have a shitty God and should really go elsewhere.

Not really an option. The Jewish people are tied to Jerusalem as the only place where they can build their temple. Christians are tied to it as well as an offshoot of Judaism, and the place where Jesus lived and was crucified. The truly sticky part is that Muslims consider it their third most holy site as well.

As a counterpoint to your statement, Blaise Pascal thought the continued existence of the Jews was a proof of the existence of miracles.

Left? the US doesn't have a left. it has a right and far right.

That is a mistaken idea commonly held by people without a strong understanding of the American political system and politics. The US does in fact have a full political spectrum from left to right, including real, honest to Lenin and Marx Communists , and Communist Party. (More than one, actually.) It even includes people who have been willing to go the Stalin or Pol Pot route (see below after reading the rest of this). The difference is that people in the United States generally won't vote for Communists if they understand that is who is running for office. That is why many on the hard left camouflage themselves by rhetorically moving to the center and refer to themselves as progressives, or some other label, to merge into the larger body of the moderate left. If they make it into government, they are forced to govern by incrementalism using ordinary political means since they gain office by votes, not by revolution.

William Ayers' forgotten communist manifesto: Prairie Fire

We are a guerrilla organization. We are communist women and men, underground in the United States for more than four years. . . .

...We need a revolutionary communist party in order to lead the struggle, give coherence and direction to the fight, seize power and build a new society.

And more....

The Weather Underground openly discussed exterminating 25 million Americans who refused to be "re-educated" into communism...

... I bought up the subject of what's going to happen after we take over the government. We, we become responsible, then, for administrating, you know, 250 million people.

And there was no answers. No one had given any thought to economics; how are you going to clothe and feed these people.

The only thing that I could get, was that they expected that the Cubans and the North Vietnamese and Chinese and the Russians would all want to occupy different portions of the United States.

They also believed that their immediate responsibility would be to protect against what they called the counter-revolution. And they felt that this counter-revolution could best be guarded against by creating and establishing re-education centers in the southwest, where we would take all the people who needed to be re-educated into the new way of thinking and teach them... how things were going to be.

I asked, well, what's going to happen to those people that we can't re-educate; that are die-hard capitalists. And the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated. And when I pursued this further, they estimated that they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these re-education centers. And when I say eliminate, I mean kill. 25 million people.

I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees from Columbia and other well known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.

Who is BILL AYERS?

William Ayers says Weather Underground, Boston bombings not same

Ah, "good" ole Bill.

William Ayers' forgotten communist manifesto: Prairie Fire

The last section is especially interesting.

I'm afraid you don't really understand politics in the US, it isn't like Germany, the UK, or Sweden. Party discipline isn't really practiced in the same way. American parties still have different ideological wings, although they are withered compared to what they were 30-40 years ago.

There certainly are hard leftists in the US, including real honest-to-Marx-and-Lenin communists. The difference is that in the US, there is very little support for them for elected office if the voters understand that is who is running. As a result, those on the far left rhetorically camouflage themselves with more moderate labels to merge with the established moderate left.

President Obama, who is clearly a man of the left, gained office by regular election, not revolution or coup. As such he is limited to working within the system, and there is very little appetite in the US for open socialism, beyond a point, or communism. So, even if he is, hypothetically speaking, a man of the hard left, many of America's institutions and values are center/center-right. US institutions can't be decreed away, but must be incrementally voted away, and regulated away, until more substantial change is possible.

I have little doubt President Obama means well, and is doing what he thinks is in the best interests of the US. I just don't believe he is correct in his belief.

Maybe you've heard of Bill Ayers, someone that helped Barack Obama on this way politically? Here is some information you might find interesting from his days in the Weather Underground.

William Ayers' forgotten communist manifesto: Prairie Fire

Undercover agent Larry Grathwohl, who had infiltrated and joined the Weather Underground, described their post-revolution governing plans for the United States in this video taken from the 1982 documentary "No Place to Hide." The Weather Underground openly discussed exterminating 25 million Americans who refused to be "re-educated" into communism.

Here's a transcript of his interview:

I bought up the subject of what's going to happen after we take over the government. We, we become responsible, then, for administrating, you know, 250 million people.

And there was no answers. No one had given any thought to economics; how are you going to clothe and feed these people.

The only thing that I could get, was that they expected that the Cubans and the North Vietnamese and Chinese and the Russians would all want to occupy different portions of the United States.

They also believed that their immediate responsibility would be to protect against what they called the counter-revolution. And they felt that this counter-revolution could best be guarded against by creating and establishing re-education centers in the southwest, where we would take all the people who needed to be re-educated into the new way of thinking and teach them... how things were going to be.

I asked, well, what's going to happen to those people that we can't re-educate; that are die-hard capitalists. And the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated. And when I pursued this further, they estimated that they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these re-education centers. And when I say eliminate, I mean kill. 25 million people.

The US doesn't merely have a hard left, it has a hard left that would fit right into a Stalinist or Pol Pot regime.

In the short term the price of gas goes up and down. However in the long term the price of gas goes up and up. It is almost like oil is a non-renewable resource or something. Nah that is crazy commy talk.

No, it's called "inflation," and it happens with all sorts of commodities. We measure it with the Consumer Price Index.

The real cost of commodities generally declines over time. In fact, Julian Simon and Paul Erlich made a famous bet about this. Paul Erlich, you'll recall, was the doomsayer who predicted the population bomb and recommended eugenics, sterilization and a global government control over all resources. (Notably, the coauthor for his book laying all this out was John Holdren, now Obama's chief science adviser.)

They bet on the prices of various commodities, and every single one of them went down. Simon won his bet, and Erlich had to pay up.

But it doesn't matter how many times you loons are wrong, you'll just keep predicting doom, over and over again.

Pro tip:

Phrases like "the earth is trying defend itself" and "starving the earth of resources" put you in the crazies column.

But you'd still be qualified to be Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy.

http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/

Pass it around, Free Mohammad.

Here are some bits that are a lot more solid than figments:

http://michellemalkin.com/category/unhinged/assassination-chic/

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

Most people don't trust "Photojournalism" because of how easy it is to "stage" a photo to get the desired "effect" (propaganda)

http://www.zombietime.com/reuters_photo_fraud/

http://commfaculty.fullerton.edu/lester/writings/faking.html

Reuters is notorious for doctoring and staging photographs. Take your jingoism elsewhere.

People have been drawing pictures of Mohammad throughout the ages but for some (stupid and illogical) reason it was a page of cartoons in the danish newspaper Jyllandsposten that really got them worked up.

Now, Denmark is a small country (pop. 5 mill) and the newspaper in question is only written in danish, and is extremely unlikely to be found in shops outside the western hemisphere. Nobody in the Muslim world would have known about those cartoons if it was for an expedition of imams from Denmark that travelled around the middle east with a collection of drawings and other artworks, of which several had no connection with Muhammad, like a photo from a french farmers festival featuring a man with a pig snout. The intension was to create headlines and incite a response. It worked and ever since certain regions have been way overly sensitive about drawing Muhammad. The only way to combat that is to keep on drawing Muhammad again and again and again until they figure out that a drawing is just that - a drawing. Nothing to be worked up about.

For a rather complete collection of Muhammad images through the ages, including the infamous Muhammad Cartoons, go here: http://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/

Yeah, its almost like there are human haters out there ???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Pianka#Texas_Academy_of_Science_speech

The attack was on a government office, so it's still too early to say whether it was an act of terrorism or war.

Al Qaeda and the organizations allied to it in "the Resistance" are the most obvious suspects, being that they are at war with everyone else in the world and they have the talent and desire to do it.

The attack could be in response to the recent filing of charges against Mullah Krekar, leader of Ansar al-Islam which was one of the first groups to rename itself to "al-Qaeda in Iraq" after the US invaded.

The motivation could also be the Jyllands-Posten cartoons that were published in a Denmark newspaper. The Muslim Brotherhood and Hizbut Tahrir encouraged attacks on Norwegian embassies after the Norwegian tabloid Dagbladet republished the cartoons.

Norway has been active in the bombing of Libya. The attack may have come in retaliation from the Libyan government, which has pledged to strike back at its attackers any way it could, or it may have come from unaffiliated right-wing Muslims who see the attack on Libya as kaffir invading the ummah.

It could be someone else. Remember that the Oklahoma City bombing was a couple of white ultra-Christians. Everyone thought it was Hezbollah at first. The attack could have come from Jews who are pissed off about European spy agencies funding the the NIF, B'tselem, Peace Now, Human Rights Watch, and all the lies they tell about Israel. It could have been a nut from an opposing political party or a farmer with a grievance about a change in subsidies and the knowledge to make a fertilizer bomb. The only thing we truly know is that we don't know yet, so wait a day or two for the investigators to do their jobs.

Here's Reuters's speculation.

Captcha: compute. If anyone was complaining that this was not news for nerds, it is now.