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Mandrake 7.1 Released
Frodo writes: "It seems that Mandrake 7.1 has started to appear on various mirror sites. No news on Mandrakes homepage so far."
Update: 06/06 08:36 by CN : Alix from Linux-Mandrake just emailed me to tell me there's an official release note available now on their web site.
I, for one, mark all downward moderation of ACs as "unfair" in metamoderation. As far as I'm concerned, 0 is low enough, and if people don't like it uncensored, they should browse at 1 or above. Anyway, if there's anyone else like me, and you moderated ANY ACs down, that would explain your gradual karma loss.
I had similar problems with an older CD ROM and I have read of others with problems too. There was a patch to fix it on the Mandrake site. If they are now releasing 7.1, I would assume the patch would be incorporated. At any rate, if you can't wait, check out the site. You have to boot with a floppy with the patch rather than try to boot from the CD. It worked for me.
Try loading the bootnet.img floppy image. With that you can either do a full install or uprgade. You will choose "Upgrade." Upgrading is essentially just looking at the list of rpms you have, looking at the list on the ftp site, and upgrading what's new.
... until it gets to the configuring stage. I've always had about 1 in 10 or so packages segfault while running the scripts there. Also, what is the criteria for holding packages back? Are they upgrades that are so incompatible they want you to remove the pack completely first (the only way I have found around it)?
What?? Slashdot is in the business of making and being the first on news. You don't want LinuxToday to beat Slashdot now, do you?? Imagine what would happen if that were to occur. *shudder*
I love Mandrake. cant seem to find a ftp server.
Anyone find a ISO mirror?
I subscribe to the idea that upgrades are junk on pretty much every type of operating system: AIX, HPUX, Linux, and even Windoze.
/etc and /home) to something safe and do a full-blown install. Sure its a hassle, but I don't have to worry about garbage that still may be lingering around from the previous release plus if something were to go wrong, I can do a reinstall with little worry.
I've been burned in the past by failed upgrades, so I'd rather just backup my critical files (usually
The nice thing about AIX, BTW, is the ability to make a snapshot of the system (rootvg at least) and dump it to tape with mksysb. If for any reason the upgrade goes wrong (compatability reasons etc), boot off the tape and you are back in business. I sure wish Solaris and Linux had this.
Yeah, I've had the exact same problem.
It was discussed in alt.os.linux.mandrake . Hopefully 7.1 doesn't suffer from it anymore!
Get a clue. Slashdot has been around for a long time, and a lot of the news deals with linux. Quit whining. This seems to be the overwhelming comment now.
Whine, whine, whine. "slashdot is news for nerds, I use xxxx OS, which rocks more than the pseudo Linux OS, put together by wannabees"
Nothing wrong with not liking the linux emphasis. However, show some respect for the people who put together a site that you enjoy. They happen to like linux, and have for a couple of years. I'm sure they're not the only nerd site on the web.
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All you have to do is pay $xxx,xxx.00 to get your parts reattached. I'd rather keep mine. Shall we say our Penix is bigger than yours? what's the best remote admin tool for NT?
A CAR bahdabing...
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Err, is there something wrong with the "ls" command? Mandrake RPMs are named in such a way as to make it rather obvious which ones on 7.1 are newer than the ones from 7.0.
Not that this will help you avoid huge downloads. I believe nearly all of the 925MB worth of RPMs in Mandrake 7.1 are either brand new or newer versions than 7.0.
How would you suggest they make it easier to keep current?
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Please be careful about moderating. Someone said my post was over-rated, and I get the feeling that was because I have an automatic +1.
That's what's supposed to happen. When you use the +1 bonus, you're effectively choosing to moderate yourself up and moderators who feel the comment doesn't deserve a +2 should knock it back down. The risk to your karma encourages you to reserve the bonus for cases where you feel you deserve the extra point.
It's in the FAQ. I'd post a link but I'm in a rush to get home before I miss another period of the Devils-Stars game...
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
I tried to go back to the distribution I started with to go back to my roots... But I can't find an updated copy of SLS anyplace... (Actually, I can't even find an original copy of SLS anymore...) I want to see if I can make 0.99.5 run on a newer machine. Anyone have a mirror? My floppies are long since deceased.
Works fine in XF4, but quite slower then XF3. (3D mode anyway)
this was in 7.0 as well.
Pull the story guys.
There is no announcement yet.
Perhaps they shuld use a truly private directory on the mirrows, then mv it across on the third stroke.
Prepare TWO blank CDs and write yourself a full Cooker. It's worth it.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
XFree86 v4 works better, faster and cheaper (less CPU cycles) on my Banshee, S3 (hawk, spit) and SiS6326 (hawk, spit) cards than 3.3.6 (Mandrake 7.0) ever did (not that it ever crashed, but, for example, I can now run the SiS with all acceleration on and bzflag works in a window in realtime), although I had to muck around with the config to make my Banshee happy.
It has up-to-date patched (black-hats nick off) versions of the network stuff. And lots of new toys. Lots of stuff fixed besides the installer.
xkobo works, but (especially in double-size mode) schlurps up *heaps* of X resources, really needs rewriting.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
This is being typed from Netscape on my Banshee, which uses the same drivers as the Voodoo3. My (Banshee, crappy monitor) config is at http://firestation.fdns.net/~leonb/XF86Config-4
/root/XF86Config.new file from there, testing with XFree86 -xf86config /root/XF86Config.new (which the -configure option tells you to do). When I was satsfied wit my changes, I cp'ed it over the top of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, made it world-readable and all was well.
The config as installed did not work. I did XFree86 -configure as root and edited the
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
Forgot to mention (don't know of this helped), I downloaded the latest drivers from http://linux.3dfx.com/ (if you want to rebuild from source, you save about 17MB of download, ie about halve it, but need about 400MB free on /usr/src/ and several hours (K6-II-300+64M)).
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
I haven't tried a 4.0preX kernel yet. There's a few things that you need to get besides the later kernel (which is absolutely necessary for the Sony camera).
Searching for the page again now...
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
It's for the Sony DSC-F505, but the directions are likely to help other USB camera owners as well.
If you're looking for a digital camera, BTW, don't go past the 505. It's light, well-balanced, fits everywhere, has automatic everything (and the automatics can each be totally switched off). One nice feature is that it can take shots in total silence. I believe the latest incarnation has 3.3 megapixels and just about brews your coffee as well.
If you have a relative with a sewing machine, there are two accessories I recommend having them make:
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
And Netscape crashes faster than it did on 7.0
As a matter a fact it crashes right away if
ran as a user in 7.1
It works fine under SuSE.
Funny but not quite applicable. How difficult would it be to pull out the CD again and install the specific app that you need? Compare that to trying to get an airbag retrofitted on a car.
Free Mac Mini. Yes, I'm
Getting the "lastest" version prior to a new release within a few days via a d/l sucks, but how about my timing on purchasing OpenBSD 2.6 and *2* days later they release 2.7! Ugh...., and then to top it off, they still send me 2.6. Life sucks. ;)
But I still like it.
Life was hell, then I discovered Linux...
"How important are the following packages: bind, gimp, emacs, lsof, apmd, pump/dhcpcd?"
Well, to you and I, very. These packages are probably not at all important to someone who is installing Linux for the first time, likely at home, for a bit of word processing and dialup internet access.
I think it's impossible to make an installer that pleases everyone, but at least Mandrake are trying.
Personally, I think this system (let the system throw away packages it deems to be less important) is a little dangerous - unless there's a baseline below which you cannot go in order to always provide a functional system.
A *really* cool way of doing this would be to have minimum, typical and full installs of packages - for example, KDE. The minimum install would be really quite bare - no themes, no sounds, no wallpaper, no games, few apps. A typical install would included a moderate amount of all those things. And a full would hit you with everything.
This could be one way of reducing unnecessary disk space usage, I suppose.
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I guess they could not wait for KDE2.
Any ETA on a stable release yet?
and I thought
/usr/src /etc/cvsupfile
# cd
# cvsup -g -L 2
# make buildworld
# make installworld
was easy.
Bah, he kind of has a point. Slashdot is something of a Linux ghetto, and who can keep track of the zillion and "MeToo Linux" distros?
Debian has not had a stable release in well over a year. This makes it Unsuitable for business use. I used to use Debian for my business and I dropped it because of their inablilty to get a stable product out the door.
;-0
I now use Mandrake for the business. IT is Fast and Fresh. Their management tools are not as slick as say SUSE's are but they are conforming to the mantra of 'Release Early & Often'.
The Pentium optimizations just rock! Upgrades are not as AutoMagic as Debian's but then the systems don't periodically- AutoMagically break either
Adults are obsolete children. - Dr. Seuss
Argh... that's why I should preview :).
:).
apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade are separate commands, in case you couldn't figure that out
maybe it was just me, but i saw no notice to mirrors, so this whole thread is just a furphy in terms of "letting mirrors get in first and mirror before a release is made".
noone told me (a downstream mirror for *.au) and
the first i knew about it was
o the story appeared in slashdot
o i checked and the SRPMS directory which we update automatically was wiped - weeeee, a gig to download from scratch which we have to pay for
o the 7.1 directory started to appear on the norway site.
fun.
-jason
Does anyone know the kernel version included?
What I would love is the ability to choose, during install time, a precompiled kernel with ATAPI support. Yeah I could go and compile it myself afterwards, but with the increasing number of people with CD burners, this should be an option.
Maybe another approach would be a Wizard for kernel compilation/configuration - hide the fact that there is any recompilation going on.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
It is. I just remember having a problem with 7.0 on the screen where one selects individual packages. The way 7.0 handled things, It was not immediately obvious that I had selected/deselected a package properly.
And for those who will be using the graphical installer...
It appears that they've listened to at least some of the feedback and have really improved their installer. (Especially in the area of package selection.)
Good old days? I quote from a newspaper article about Lincon's death: "Details unclear. There is much confusion here."
It rhymes! I envy that reporter for that statement. I'd almost bet that that rhyme is a major reason the reporter wrote that article.
Problem is, the mandrake kernel is relatively heavily patched, and you need to be sufficiently with it to apply all the extra patches yourself (such as supermount) if you don't want to lose functionality when compiling from a different source tree. Mdk Initscripts also make a stab at detecting what features you've compiled in, and disable various things based on support - whcih means that you're more likely to be able to boot successfully, but a novice user who manages to recompile from a virgin kernel tarball will be left wondering, for example, why he can't mount floppies just by clicking on them anymore...
Choice of masters is not freedom.
They already thought of this. They use rpmdrake. It will automatically take care of the dependencies for you. If you remove a program others depends on it will tell you what will also be removed and you can decide. The converse is also true for adding components. It really is very easy to do. You start rpmdrake and it builds a complete list of all rpms you have and where they are. If you elect to install a package it tells you which cd to insert and fixed all deps.
Computer modeling for biotech drug manufacturing is HARD!
we didn't announce to flood the ftp server.
And now it's probably too late.
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Mandrake's website now says "We are very pleased to announce the immediate availability of Linux-Mandrake 7.1 (Helium)"
Terry
speaking of knowing anything about linux.
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You almost have half a point, except that you seem to forget that slashdot is not a journalistic community, It is a nerds community. It was started by a bunch of CS geeks, not a bunch of journalism majors. I wish slashdot itself would mirror articles before they post. (but with recent lawsuits...) I sometimes wish they would take the more professional approach but then we already have (cnet, msnbc, zdnet), and the moment they go "professional", it will no longer be slashdot, of course I will be singing "Sayonara and many more people will be too".
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I'm not a debian developer(though have been thinking about it), but this page has information about release-critical bugs (i assume in potato/frozen), currently at 83.
I feel your pain. I just finished installing 7.0 today, after I upgraded from 6.1. All well, with a cable modem, it won't be too bad.
>journalistic responsibility has to extend to >thinking about the ability of servers to take >an increased hit before they are ready. I don't need slashdot to hold my hand and decide for me when the servers are "ready" They can tell me what they know and I will decide for myself what I consider to be responsible behaviour. We are not (all) children. I actually agree with most of what you say but I think I'm right when I say that (at least) a significant number of people do not want you or me or slashdot deciding for them what is of is not responsible. MartinG.
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Well, i happen to have a pioneer 24x ide cdrom. (pioneer dr-a24x) Adding "hdc=cdrom" in the lilo prompt fixed it and let me install and run linux just fine. (have worked with any distro i have tried but corel linux which didnt let me add boot time arguments during install) And after i stuck it into lilo.conf it have worked flawlessly, making me only have to deal with it when i was upgrading/reinstalling the system.
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They say it has started to appear on some mirrors (which does not equate to say go fetch it from the main site). As long as you got your +2 insightful eh Bojay?
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Perhaps this should be moderated down as there is no such thing as a 696 computer, nor Mandrake 4.5 (started at 5.2).
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Ok, i'd like those scripts (post the link here or send it to me by email to dodge the /. effect)
And as downloader, may i suggest wget? it works well, supports resuming (the -c option) and is included by default in almost any distro.
"Now you can see that evil will triumph, because good is dumb!"
To tell the truth, I would rather have the news system that is hunky dory and polite. In my opinion, to many idealistic jackasses have made a mockery of the concept that "people deserve the news NOW." I think striving to deliver the truth, (or in this case not making an annoyance of yourself to mirror sites) is more important than getting the "scoop" on something. Slashdot has a lot of power. They cannot act like a small site does and post things without some forsight.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
Wow. I've been dual-booting Redhat 6.0 with Windows 2000 -- I want to expand my horizons beyond just Windows stuff -- and I've been pretty happy with it.
:) Guess it's time to visit cheapbytes...
I'd been planning to upgrade to Mandrake when kernel 2.4 was released -- now it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to hold out that long.
Out of curiosity (and slightly off topic, sorry), anyone know how hard it is to set up a voodoo3 with XFree 4? A friend of mine is running SuSe 6.4 on a Voodoo Banshee and wasn't able to get XFree 4 working with it at all.
You know exactly what would happen.
An entire different set of people would be bitching about how "this is *such* old news, Slashdot is so far behind, LinuxNews posted that X(random amount of time) ago".
It's a no-win situation. Post news early, and people will complain about the site being slashdotted. Wait, and people will complain about how you're not "cutting edge" anymore and how "behind the times" you are.
So whaddaya gonna do?
john
Imagine all the people...
But the 7.1 distro is on the Norway site. And it's not labeled hydrogen.
If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem
i was jsut at the PRIMARY ftp site for linux mandrake and there were only 43 out of a possible 250 people logged on. maybe that means something
"The importance of using technology in the right way has never been more clear."
This was in Mandrake 7.0 as well. It shows up if you choose the Novice style installation. I used it myself the first time I installed the OS, because I knew I had space for everything in there.
The second time I installed it, I had a MUCH better idea of what packages and support I wanted installed, so I chose the Expert style installation, which gives you control over the packages in excruciating detail (this is a good thing!).
It is an odd feature and if I had to "dial down" the packages to fit a partition size, I'd be real curious to know how it prioritizes the packages.
Do moderators have sense of humor? :)
I know of such a method that would be 'a sufficient different way of mirroring things', and it could be consiered to be "pre upload directories".
These directories are goverened by a set of mirror administrators. THey can upload to these directories, on all the mirrors, and at once, once all mirrors are complete, send a command to the FTP site to upload all files, LOCALLY, such that they appear within about 30 seconds (or less).
(30 seconds to transfer 600 megs)
Thus, people don't know about the pending release of a new distribution, or software program, until it hits the sites.
THe daemon, glftpd has the ability to do such a command. Go to http://glftpd.deepwell.com/ then, afterwards, check out the following add-on:
http://glftpd.deepwell.com/pre-dator.tar.gz
Someone could use this source code and implement it into some other open-source daemon.
One of the strong points of FreeBSD. I've been upgrading my system for over 5 years, without a single reinstall. Still everything is totally clean and organized.
/usr/local; alas Linux makes a mess by mixing a core system with all add-on packages).
cvsup, together with make world is great for the base system (which is cleanly separated from add-on packages that all reside in
then the ports system may requiring some uninstalling/reinstalling sometimes (it is a bit more primitive in this respect than most Linux distro's) but that isn't such a big deal. The important thing is that the base system itself is 100% upgradeable and never requires a reinstall. Not even when moving to a new machine or upgrading hardware.
Today I use Linux (mainly because of availability of vmware and good JDK's) but in this respect I long back for FreeBSD.
I picked the boston and NY mirrors but I haven't spotted it yet.... which mirrors???
Wheeeee
just as I posted the silly thing appeard right in front of my eyes....
Wheeeee
I like Mandrake because I think it has such a great implementation of every environment. The make sure to put apps in the start menu/root menu equivalent of every window manager and desktop, with plenty of themes, etc. for all. For some reason, gnome under mandrake seems more polished than Gnome to me. :-)
Guess I'll download it late tonight. Don't want to suck the bandwith from the rest of the people in my house just yet.
(Good natured sarcasm follows)
Wasn't the fact that they've had a beta version out for a couple of months a bit of a clue?
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Maybe 7.1 will work? Any ideas/successess/failures you'd like to share? Thanks.
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Frodo writes: "It seems that Mandrake 7.1 has started to appear on various mirror sites. No news on Mandrakes homepage so far."
Where's the link?
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The RedHat installation as far as I can tell is not that different from any other menu based installation. And their addition of Disk Druid might be a step up from fdisk (depending on who you talk to) but really isn't all that different from cfdisk.
;-) :)
Just today I installed Mandrake 7.0 for the first time on a system at work. It has a kick-ass graphical installer, IMHO. The partitions-tool is really helpful, I think, if you click on "auto-configure" (or something along the line), it "suggests" partition-sizes, which you can then, of course, change to your liking. You can go back and forth in the installation menu as you like, and I personally even like the colors.
Now I don't know in how far this graphical installer is related to the rpm-package-system, but it was the easiest install I ever did. And please consider that it was a dual boot with WinNT (though I already had two sufficiently sizes partitions and just had to move some stuff around), and I was done installing the entire system in 45 minutes. Go Mandrake!
-Jan
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Why are huge downloads necessary if you are just upgrading? Do I have to get on a bunch of mailing lists to figure out what is new and hunt down those files myself?
With Mandrake all you do is click the icon on the desktop that says "Updates", pick a mirror, and select the updated files you want to install. What's so hard about that?
Now, if you want the new distribution, you have to download the new distribution. But mainly all you're getting is the new installer and other bells and whistles.
It comes down to: Do you want the lastest files, or do you want to be able to say you have the latest distribution?
When will Windows be ready for the desktop?
And i JUST got 7.1beta. But as far as my options are concerned, I won't need to upgrade just yet... 7.1b is great though!
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This is actually true, I am amazing on their Netscape builds. I'm still using my crash-free mozilla m15 though, but my fonts SUCK. I submitted a bug report and mandrakers quickly replied, but didn't fix the problem, only changed some fonts to unaliased and now fonts like the slashdot subject headings are just REALLY small rather than enlarged and crappy
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Mandrake is NOT another "METOO Linux" distro, if you knew anything about Linux you would know that.
Was there any part in particular you didn't like?
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You can feed kernel boot parameters from lilo as described in the document here. The workaround for the Promise Ultra33 card works for booting the HPT-366 controller in Ultra33 mode.
Yeah. I find Corel Linux a bit questionable in implementation. You hose their entire nice graphical startup thingy with a standard kernel upgrade. Shouldn't be a problem though, just a cosmetic issue.
Your HPT366 IDE bus will show up as /dev/hde and /dev/hdf in Linux.
Is not UDMA Mode 2 ATA33 mode? Mode 2 is 66?
If you have any more problems, e-mail me at warren@togami.com. I spent many hours getting this puppy to work...
The main reason for complaints by people who are trying to mirror things when announcements get posted on /., is that it makes their life hard.
/. making announcements before the mirrors have the download, they make it hard for the mirrors to get the download. They did it to helix-gnome the other day as well. And this pisses mirror maintainers off because they now have to expend a lot of time and effort so that we can moan because they don't update fast enough.
/. to be responsible when making announcements!
These people are trying to do us all a favour by carrying software that we want and letting us get to it quicker. These people make no money from us. They are doing us a _BIG_ favour. By
Help our mirror maintainers to help you. Request
That seemed like a pretty valid question to me. But then I'm just now getting away from Windoze, so I guess that makes me a troll too?!?!?
Love 'em all and let God sort 'em out...
This slider concept might make sense within highly focused areas ("C Development") or perhaps even within broader use-for-machine categories ("Graphics Workstation")...
I hope the Mandrake guys are reading this. This would make something useful out of the slider idea. Having multiple sliders allowing you to focus the arbitrary priorities would be better.
If your use of the system will be at all specialized, there is little probability that everything you need will make the cut causing you to go hunting for packages to remove to make space for the ones you want. Multiple sliders allowing you to emphasize role would definitely increase your chances of getting what you'd expect.
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The nice thing about Windows is: it does not just crash; it displays a nice little dialog box and let's you press 'OK'
They announced a beta version of 7.1 slightly over a month ago (IIRC). This is not the same as 7.1 final.
On the Mandrake-devel email list today, somebody said that if all goes well it'll be released later this week. But even if it *is* coming out right now, Slashdot should really wait until the official annoucement. Remember the last Gnome / Helix fiasco? Slashdot, *please* wait until mirrors are ready. Otherwise you're going to get a lot of people angry with you.
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I'd make it a popup menu like Scoop Engine (found on Kuro5hin) does:
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If Slashdot has a shred journalistic integrity (assuming you can call those who summarise someone else's story as journalists), then they would do well to get their facts straight in the first place without looking like complete fools when it turns out to be nonsense.
Of course I meant:
Slashdot do this all the time and it is a reminder to never trust a thing they say.
In any case the couple of hours this story probably sat in the queue is more than enough to get a couple of gigs out to a few mirror sites. (It seems Mandrake only has two mirror sites; this one and this one).
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Mandrake rocks. I like it. I installed 7.0 beta on the old Sun Ultra 1. It worked. Kind of. About 1/4 of the extras (other than kernel,sh-utils, etc.) were INTEL binaries. Mandrake has found a new level of "beta-ness". Does anyone know if that's fixed in this release?
Does anyone have any idea when/if Mandrake are going to start distributing their Alpha port as a full product?
I asked one of the guys on Mandrake's stand at the UK Linux Expo last week about this and I think that he said the Alpha port would be fully released with 7.2. Unfortunately, a combination of his poor English and my almost non-existant French coupled with the blaring music on the Mandrake stand, meant that I wasn't sure that he had understood the question.
BTW, the current beta version of Mandrake for Alpha basically installed and works fine on my LX164, but there were a few problems with KDE (e.g. that tedious old KMail bug) which meant that I had to replace some of the RPMS with ones from RedHat 6.2.
Thanks; I'll give that a try. Corel Linux has a rather "idiot-proof" installer, so this could be difficult, but I'll see what can be done.
That's interesting. You just have to tell Linux that you have two more IDE buses and what their addresses are.
I'd also better try to see if I can get a new BIOS image to flash for the HPT366 controller, because as it is now, I can't really control it enough to force it into Ultra DMA33 mode, short of connecting only ATA-33 drives to it.
Luckily, the people who this is supposed to help are probably for the most part in command of hard drives at least 6.4gb or larger.
On top of that, consider the vicious satisfaction of dragging the slider all the way over to the right and stabbing the mouse button over "COMMIT, MOFO!" I strongly doubt many people are going to crank it down unless they REALLY can't fit the distribution on some dinky disk.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Oh yeah, I'm surprised I forgot that one. It has the coolest name. Although 'Debian' is kind of catchy, too.
i'm guessing he had some issues with the package selection portions, since he mentioned them in his post.
Don't be mean or my friend Oog will smash your head
This is kind of off topic while I like Mandrake on my desktop and plan to grab 7.1 in a few days. (Most likely order from cheapbytes) I like Redhat better on my servers. Anybody hear any rumors about when 7.0 will be out?
Cypherpunks: Civil Liberty Through Complex Mathematics. Those who live by the sword die by the arrow.
There's (old) news about the beta here.
it's green.
Actually, you make a good point. One of the very few things I don't like about slack is the KDE default. But I just installed the new gnome from the -current. I've tried RedHat, but it just felt too wierd to an old bsd holdover like me.
it's green.
Hey... I just noticed that one of the "new features" they're advertising for 7.1 is ReiserFS, now appearing on /.!
it's green.
And if (like a friend who had an old 486 he didn't want to repartition) you go with BigSlack, you don't have a choice. KDE.
What I was trying to say is that Slack, Pat, or some team member likes KDE and I don't. Sorry about the confusion.
it's green.
As I speak my CD burner is 40% through writing Mandrake 7.0. Why do I have such impecably bad timing? Oh well, I suppose I have another beer mat now.
Couldn't these distributors give some prior warning? They could privately send out the distro to mirror sites first if they are worried about flooding at release.
The Linux Mandrake ftp mirror page (http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ftp.php3) has removed all the 7.1 mirrors and has added this message: "Linux-Mandrake 7.1 is not yet available. Please wait"
Still on GIMP 1.0.4 though, would like to see that updated. Well, it's still the newest, stable release. I on the other side was mighty pissed about S.u.S.E, deploying the 1.1.17 developer release, which carshed on a lot of occasions. Ah well, all of us have our preferences...
ich bin der musikant
mit taschenrechner in der hand
kraftwerk
noticed that my computer was only recognizing 64 MB
edit the fileI couldn't get ftpd working ever again
edit the fileAs for mpg123, I've hardly used it personally, and unfortunately I can't find any good MPG players for linux :-( even the "commercial" ones like mTV seem to perform terribly even when reniced to -19 !!!!
I think this is a huge stumbling block for linux acceptance, btw.
Cedric Balthazar Rotherwood
Sun Certified Programmer for the Java Platform +
System Admin. for Solaris
didn't you forget to say, "but I'll die for your right to post these links!" :)
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ANyone know what is new?
Arthropoid, the Right Clam for the Job
you're on crack.
How helpful is it supposed to be? I recently recompiled my kernel for Mandrake 7.0 and it seemed as simple as it has been on any linux distro I've used since I started on an early slackware. (i.e. it's makefiles, a bunch of yes/no questions, and copying the kernel to where it needs to go---about as easy as I'd expect something most ordinary users don't need to do to be.) Is there some kernel compile utility provided by some distros other than the usual makefiles?
Easy. Since Debian is probably the dist that goes through the toughes testings before release it takes a bit longer. Debian also does not have the commerce intrest to release new versions once every 6 months. Result: A more stable and more secure dist. On the other hand, me and alot others have been using potato (2.2) for several months now without any problem.
found this link after going to several mirrors. http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/hydrobeta.php3
it's supposed to have better USB support out of the box. Haven't really tested it much yet.
Mandrake was born out of the controversy concerning the QT license originally used with KDE. At the time RedHat and alot of mainstream distro's refused to include KDE because it wasn't GPL compatible. Mandrake came about because some of us didn't really care about the QT license at all and we "liked" KDE, so they basically took their distro of choice, included KDE with it and then repackaged/sold it as Linux-Mandrake. Mandrake 5.x-6.0 were really nothing more than RH with KDE, from that point they started some of their own development projects and even took an active role in letting their userbase help develop the upcoming distro's (Cooker). Now while it remains 99.9% fully compatible with RH, Mandrake is a true distro of it's own right, and a damn fine one at that.
What's New: RiserFS XFree 4.0 Installer has been slickified even more. Problems: This is the same iso as the BETA3. After the Beta 3 was released there were still bug reports on the cooker (Development) list about: Voodoo 3 problems. ATA 66 Hard Drives working correctly. Some mail server configuration issues. Other than that it's a slick ass distro. (Typing this message from 7.1B3 install right now.)
On the front page of /. when I first saw the 7.1 announcement, I got this banner ad for Mandrake 7.0. :)
"Grub is now supported as the default bootloader, no more 1024-cylinder limit"
:(
The 1024 cylinder limit of LILO was fixed and reported back in April
Of course I can't get the new LILO to work. I have a 8GB Win2k Pro installation, followed be a 8GB Win2K Adv. Srvr. installation. I cannot get LILO to boot them independently. The best that I managed with the new "LINEAR" option was a boot error message from Win2k Adv. Srvr. telling me that some file in the system32 directory was missing or corrupt. So here I am, back to chaining my Microsoft operating systems together through boot.ini. I DO NO want them to see each other... it causes to many problems with badly written software that makes assumptions about driver letters, etc. Win2K won't even let me change or remove the driver letters on these drives
Maybe "grub" will allow me to use my machine the way that I want....
This slider concept might make sense within highly focused areas ("C Development") or perhaps even within broader use-for-machine categories ("Graphics Workstation") but it's difficult to the point of impossible for a whole Linux distro. How important are the following packages: bind, gimp, emacs, lsof, apmd, pump/dhcpcd?
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Imagine if this feature were available when buying a car:
Sales system: "100%: Car costs $16,000".
You: "Oh my, I can't afford that. Let's slide
the bar down to 50%."
Later, when it starts to rain, you find that you've only got a windshield wiper on the passenger side. So, you pull over to the side of the road, and discover that there's no hazard lights either. Hey! There aren't any lights on this car at all! Luckily, brakes seem to have made the cut.... hope the airbags are there....
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ALSA. *3* IDEs. Roxen. XFree86 V4. SDL and some apps for it. Updated PySol (now over 300 games). QT-2. Eterm on the KDE menus (which are all much better organised). ixterm. Gphoto. Roby. ocaml. oscope. QCAD. Lotsa other stuff.
/usr when installed. "Praise the Lord for fat uplinks!" (-:
Still on GIMP 1.0.4 though, would like to see that updated.
Well into two CDs' worth in Cooker now, makes over 2G in
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
Change all occurrences of 'stable' to 'unstable' in /etc/apt/sources.list (it doesn't mean it will crash, it means that things are constantly being updated). Only have to do this once. apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade
and sit back and watch the magic :).
Hopefully they included the numerous updates for security that they've been doing as of late. And also fixed the slightly broken install of PostFix. There was something else that was broken but I can't remember what else I had to fix.
If you choose the expert install option then it allows you to choose exactly the packages you want to install. The Customized option allows you a little less flexibility in what you want install, but insulates the inexperienced user from what might be a very confusing experience. The Recommended option is even more limited.
When I downloaded Mandrake 7.0, I first pulled Mandrake/base, which has the package lists. Then I wrote a set of Perl scripts to read in a copy of the complete package list from which you can remove or comment out packages you don't want. The scripts checked the dependencies, created new copies of all the package lists (comps*), and produced an HTML list of all the packages you've chosen to download. Then I took the HTML file to work (fast connection) and used GetRight (still looking for a Linux replacement) to grab all the files at night). I'd imagine it would be even more useful to modem users. If anyone's interested, I can release the scripts. I'd prefer if Mandrake actually maintained them, so I don't have to keep up with their crazy installation scheme.
Gates' Law: Every 18 months, the speed of software halves.
--Ben
Go to Mandrakes FTP page and in big bold letters they have:
Linux-Mandrake 7.1 is not yet available. Please wait
Whoever posted this article was on crack.
I did.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
Um... MandrakeUpdate doesn't update NEARLY as many packages as are upgraded between distributions. Since the time I installed Mandrake, I've only seen a couple dozen packages on there, ever.
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No more e-mail address game - see my user info. Time for revenge.
Win dain a lotica, en vai tu ri silota
I recommend it.
I used the beta version for little over a month before weird stuff started happening. One day I logged on and noticed that my computer was only recognizing 64 MB, I couldn't get ftpd working ever again, and mpg123 (via gqmpeg) failed to ever work again.
...and your roots say...
Instead of solving these three 'minor' problems, I just said, "screw the beta-version!" and went with the newest RedHat. I've always been partial to gnome anyway and installing a new distro is easier then figuring what was wrong with all that stuff.
I know that both RedHat and Mandrake offer gnome and KDE, but you gotta stick with your roots man.
gnome=RedHat
KDE=mandrake
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I upgraded from 6.1 to 7.0 and found that 7.0 was even more stable. Somethings that used to crash misteriously didn't anymore, but a number of applications just wouldn't start up under 7.0 and it took me a lot of mucking around to fix it. I still haven't got xkobo to work and that one of my favorite games. I read up on what new in 7.1 and it's mainly improvements to the install program (like I really need that when I've already installed it). The other thing it includes is a Beta of KDE version 2.0 personaly I am going to wait until KDE 2.0 is released properly and then get the version of Mandrake which includes that.
-Jasa -- Linux - The SOURCE will be with you, ALWAYS
Oops, my mistake. Those are the sites mirrors are supposed to mirror from. The official list of mirror sites is here.
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How am I supposed to fit a pithy, relevant quote into 120 characters?
ATA66 hard drives working correctly.
Hey, that's great news! Finally, a Linux distribution that's easily available and is compatible with my computer's hardware. My computer has an ABit BE6 motherboard with four IDE buses: two ATA-66 and two ATA-33. The ATA-66 buses are controlled by an onboard HPT366 controller (by High Point Technologies). The ATA-33 buses work just like the two IDE buses in most "normal" PCs. I have five IDE peripherals, so I can't just use one set of buses. My main hard drive is ATA-66-compatible and is very fast, so it's a shame not to use that capability. Most versions of Linux can only "see" the ATA-33 buses.
I bought Corel Linux version 1.0 but couldn't install or use it except on the two ATA-33 buses on my motherboard. Unfortunately, all my non-hard-drive IDE peripherals (interal Zip drive, CD burner, etc.) are normally connected to the ATA-33 buses, so I had to mess around with the connections inside. It really sucks to have to have to mess around with the innards of my computer to switch between Windows and Linux. (I would have gotten ABit's Gentus Linux, but I don't have time to download a huge 650-meg CD image and anyway, I heard that the licence agreement with Gentus Linux violates the GPL (is this true?).)
So, has anyone tried installing Mandrake 7.1 on an ABit motherboard with peripherals on both the ATA-66 and ATA-33 buses? How did it go?
Er, hang on... The Anonymous Coward just said ATA-66 hard drives work, not necessarily the ABit motherboard... Well, still... Does it work with ABit?
I'm tired of using Windows98 all the time... I hope Mandrake will be my saviour...
Could you /. article posters put a little more information in about Linux topics? I personally use Solaris as my work and home UNIX environment, and don't know what the hell some of these Linux specific things are.
:-) Many of us non-Linux geeks will recognize things like Red Hat, Debian, and sometimes Suse, but that is generally the extent.
Just a little line like 'Mandrake is a package of the Linux environment that is geared towards friendly home and office use, see www.mandrake.org for details.' would be real nice for a change.
/. is supposed to be news for nerds, not news for Linux-only nerds.
I took another look at Mandrake's site now, and in their download area, it clearly states You must at least download the "Mandrake/" and "images/" trees from the "7.0/" directory. It's about 600 Mb.
Why are huge downloads necessary if you are just upgrading? Do I have to get on a bunch of mailing lists to figure out what is new and hunt down those files myself?
Its a nice system, but they should make it easier to keep current.
No, Thursday's out. How about never - is never good for you?
Thing is, the good old days weren't. There has always been ambition on the part of the media to get the best scoop. Always will be. /. is no different. We have a few hundred thousand free software afficandos looking for a data rush or whatever, so /. gives them a chance to get at what they want.
This is no worse than crowds of people flocking around a paperboy who is crying, "Extra! Extra!" It isn't just /., it's just that /. has a larger audience than many sites, so the effect is much more visible. Watch the usage on kernel.org whenever some rumor drifts across the digital wind. While there is something to be said about letting mirrors "gear up", you can always set it up so that the mirror gets priority access to the new version over the anon logins.
it's green.
Does anyone have any *good* reasons why so many distributions (such as Mandrake) use RedHat as a base? As I see it, there are two ways that RedHat differentiates itself from other distros: package management and installation (both of which are closely related).
.tgz (slackware) packages. rpm and dpkg clearly beat .tgz files in terms of ease of install/uninstall and dependencies but I really think that dpkg is superior to rpm (my main reason being better dependencies and that nice update checking feature).
The RedHat installation as far as I can tell is not that different from any other menu based installation. And their addition of Disk Druid might be a step up from fdisk (depending on who you talk to) but really isn't all that different from cfdisk.
As for package management, I have used rpm (.rpm files), dpkg (.deb files), and
So, basically if the RedHat installer is nothing that great and dpkg beats rpm why do so many distros (Mandrake being the most mainstream) copy RedHat? And if you don't believe me, go to any distro list and see how many are based on RedHat.
By the way, I realize that two of the more recent distros have been based on debian (Storm and Corel).
Another way when my analogy fails is that most people know enough about what should be in an automobile to notice if the windshield wipers are gone. But what if the selector decides not to install something less obvious -- a timing chip, or some sensor or another? ("It's just a tiny little sensor; it can't be very important.")
And it's not just about critical things. A new user who is too intimidated to go through lists of packages is likely to learn what's available by looking through the application menus, or maybe by typing (at the advice of a friend) "ls
Not knowing what's on the system also makes the job harder for the people who have to support the machine. This is part of why Red Hat's base component set is so large.
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I had a Pioneer 24x cdrom and I had major problems with it. Not only did any distribution not read the CD during the installation, it wouldn't even boot off of the CD! (btw, win98 wouldn't boot off of it either). I also had lots of problems with it just reading stuff from it. It often made the system unstable and caused all kinds of other intresting problems.
Later on I found out that this is typical of *all* Pioneer cdroms. It is well documented in the Linux kernel documentation. Apparently Pioneer cdroms violate the ATAPI protocol somehow which makes them very unreliable. They still work with windoze because it does not try to multitask them. I got rid of this piece of crap a long time ago, bought a 32x Creative and never had problems since. I don't know if their DVD-roms or SCSI cdroms have similar problems, but I am definitely never buying any more Pioneer crap -- one was enough for me.
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If you think big enough, you'll never have to do it.
On the Mandrake Newbie mailing list this was discussed. Here's what one of the Mandrake people said about it:
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Re: [newbie] DISCUSSION: My first Suggestion (Installer Problem)Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:00:23 +0200 (CEST)
From: Denis HAVLIK
To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com
Reply to: newbie@linux-mandrake.com
:~>Here is my first input:
:~>
:~>The install program is very slick. However at one point in the install,
:~>after you have partitioned the drive you are shown a slider bar and asked
:~>to pick how much software you want to install. (you choose the amount of
:~>megabytes to install). I find this very confusing. If i pick 800mb what
:~>is being installed? Am I getting all the packages I need??
Here is what happens: We have a list of packages with their "value". Very
valuable packages have number asociated with them which is close to 100,
while "junk" packages have a number close to 0 (well, junk packages do not
make it into the distro, but you get the picture)
When you move the slider to left, you efectively "raise the bar", so that
packages with lower "priority" drop out of the selection.
Personally, I think this is a great way to make a compromyse between
having some controle over instalation and not having to browse trough
1000+ packages at install (horror!)
What we miss at the moment is a tool which would use a symilar logic to
help you install|uninstall packages on already installed system, but Pixel
is working on it right now.
cu
Denis
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Actually, not anymore. Mandrake 7.0+ has branched off RedHat, and 7.1 is QUITE a bit different from Redhat. (It has ReiserFS, it has XFree 4.0, and the other packages are up to date.)
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
It's a very interesting idea, but I'm pretty sure it's not a good one! Has this made it to the final release?
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Except... from an idealistic technical point of view, (as in, how we did it in the old days) you found things by watching ftp sites...
/.ing it... I bet a lot of people don't rush out to download mandrake 7.1 immediately....
so.. if mandrake 7.1 is appearing on mirrors, and you want to bitch about people announcing this fact before mandrake does...
if mandrake or the mandrake mirror community cared, they would have a different way of mirroring things, whereby you couldn't actually see things until the transfer is complete.
Oh.. and as for
People who think that /. has every right to post messages before people have a time to mirror piss me off. There is a thing in this country called "responsible journalism." Since the journalistic community these days is in such a rut, I'm not surprised that most of you haven't heard about it. In traditional media, responsible journalism takes the form of corroberating your evidence to make absolutely sure that you're giving the correct news. Until recently, all respectable establishments did this. Those that didn't are called tabloids. Because of their rush to get the dirt, tabloids often post too early about a story. If it turns out to be true, then the tabloids will often have the news before any of the papers, but if it is false, then it ultimately hurts those that the story is about. In the new electronic media, journalistic responsibility has to extend to thinking about the ability of servers to take an increased hit before they are ready. It is analagous to allowing a defendant to prepare his case before the prosecution starts. In the good old days, the media had responsibility. They would rarely post a news story about, say, a president before he had made a public statement about the situation. The rumors and such were left to the tabloids. This situation is similar. You don't attack somebody (the /. effect is certainly an attack, though unintentional) before you give them a chance to prepare. It is just not decent. /. posting new files before the mirrors have a chance to gear up is not just impolite (or I'm I just a dinosaur and curtousy is passe?) it is also detrimental to the community, which wants to be able to download the software.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
Number of Linux Distributions Surpasses Number of Users
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Somewhere in California - At 8:30 PDT with the release of Snoopy Linux 2.1 and Goober Linux 1.0, the number of Linux distributions finally surpassed the number of actual Linux users.
"We've been expecting it for some time," Merrill Lynch technology analyst Tom Shayes said, "but this is a little sooner than most expected. We've seen explosive growth in the number of Linux distributions, in fact my nephew just put out Little Tommy Linux 1.1 last week."
Long time Linux guru Bob Tallman said, "This is great for the open source movement. I have 7 different versions installed on my computer at home. Some guys I know have over 30."
Microsoft CEO, Steve Ballmer said, "Microsoft will have to play catch up with the number of versions that Linux has, but we think we can do it. With the break up of Microsoft imminent that will instantly double the number of Windows versions available."
Microsoft also announced the release of Pocket PC for Workgroups, Windows GT special edition and Windows 2000 - the Director's Cut with special code added by Bill Gates himself that wasn't in the original release.
http://bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.htm