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That eerie, eerie theme music will get in your head all day. sideshow-voxx writes: "The BBC has announced that there will be more installments of the Audio Adventure Dr Who - Death Comes to Time available on the web in the New Year."
This is cool news (the accompanying art is a nice touch with this Dr. Who presentation), but it would be nice if they would put the episodes into more audio formats as well.
Things always seem to get more complicated. Eric Molitor, ("Linux hacker and Builder of Violator - Linux powered BattleBot that competed in May") wrote about the BattleBots vs. Battlebots story of the other day, saying:
"As a BattleBot competitor I was horrified when I noticed your article but here are some corrections... BattleBots INC != BattleBots the show.BattleBots INC is suing and not the TV show. (Comedy Central tapes the tournaments and airs portions of the finals on a TV show. But thats just like showing NFL games mostly. The TV company just pays a licensing fee to broadcast the event.)
Do a little research and the guy registered his domain at least a year after the first BattleBots competition in Long Beach. (Early 1998) In fact the battlebots.org domain was registered after BattleBots.com, and after BattleBots applied for their TM.
So this kid (running a script kiddie hosting service no less) registers a domain after somebody applies for the TM and then asks for $5K to give it up. Sounds like cyber-squatting to me. Also take a look at the dates on the website for the replies, etc. Things don't look right ....
Still BattleBots is dumb not to have registered the .org domain.
For a little history on BattleBots and the law suits, etc. that RobotWars got into that nearly destroyed this sport take a look at http://www.robotcombat.com/history.html.
Greg and Tray gave up a lot and everybody got together to dodge RobotWars/Profile records lawsuits to prevent the sport from happening. I'd hate to see them unfairly get a bad name."
Thanks, Eric.
Something to see in England. slathering wrote with news that the Alan Turing memorial written about in this Slashdot story has finally materialized. He writes: "I read about this in this months IEEE Annals of the History of Computing (who doesn't have a website). But I found the website for the memorial itself. Apparently funding was found for the Alan Turing Memorial since it was unveiled June 23, 2001 in Manchester, England. It was funded without any donations from the computing industry."
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It seems like the quality of comment posts is declining. Are you doing anything about it?
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One of the unfortunate side-effects of the increasing popularity of Slashdot is that the number of trolls, flame-warriors and all-around lamers increases as well, and it only takes a relatively small number of them to make a lot of noise. Keeping this noise to a minimum is one of the primary goals of the moderation system (which is explained in detail elsewhere in this FAQ).
Since this system is essentially an experiment in trying to solve the problems inherent in mass communication, one would expect its success to be variable, and indeed, this is the case. Some days it works great, and some days it doesn't.
Moderation seems restrictive. Is it really necessary?
In short, yes.
As you might have noticed, Slashdot gets a lot of comments. Thousands a day. Tens of thousands a month. At any given time, the database holds 50,000+ comments. A single story might have a thousand replies- and let's be realistic: Not all of the comments are that great. In fact, some are down right terrible, but others are truly gems.
The moderation system is designed to sort the gems and the crap from the steady stream of information that flows through the pipe. And wherever possible, it tries to make the readers of the site take on the responsibility.
The goal is that each reader will be able to read Slashdot at a level that they find appropriate. The impatient can read nothing at all but the original stories. Some will only want to read the highest rated of comments, some will want to eliminate anonymous posts, and others will want to read every last drip of data, from the First Posts! to the spam. The system we've created here will make that happen. Or at least, it sure will try...
Fuck off you cum guzzling Linux slut whores!!!
BSD FOREVER!!!
"Nothing for you to see here. Please move along."
what is the meaning of this???
Now unless you are logged into an account you cannot see the or post to the comments on a story until at least 5 comments are posted.
This is a load of fucking bullshit.
Your lame schemes to generate more and more accounts so you can get more advertising money are pathetic.
Slashdot is a fucking peice of dogshit.
Alan must be turing over in his grave over that one.
yum yum!
anus.
I had no idea he was so young.
Makes you wonder what would have come had he lived twice as long and had the more powerful technology to play with.
hope he's declawed!
Well it looks as if the entire computer community has finally decided to come out of the closet now. There was a joyous time in the industry when computer scientists were real men. Glory days. IBM, suits and ties, a real smooth operation. Unfortunately, with the decadence of the 1960's and 70's, a new generation of homosexual programmers have taken over.
Look around your IT department, notice all the pony tails? Only women and gay men have long hair.
But of course, this has been decently hidden. The homoeroticism of IT was at least a little discreet. But now, now you've all decided to put on your pink pansy dresses and worship that creator of computerized cocksucking, Alan Turing.
I'd like to say I'm suprised, but I'm not. It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.
What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:
Linus Torvalds is an anagram of SLIT ANUS OR VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
Richard M. Stallman , spokespervert for the Gaysex is Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of MANS CRAM THRILL AD.
Alan Cox is barely an anagram of ANAL COX which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.
I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, [Buy At Amazon] is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for SECONDARY RIM and CORD IN MY ARSE. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.
Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail, which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for "Felch Male" - a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, "felching" is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into "e-male."
As far as Richard "(cock)Master" Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following:
And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo slut!
Speaking about "flaming," who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children. To quote from the article linked:
Is this why you were touching your penis in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?
We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as "Slashdot's resident Gasbag." Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual terminology found inside the Linux "Sauce Code," a "Gasbag" is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, "piss-pipe"), then his homosexual lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.
Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.
In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The Slackware distro is named after the Slack-wear fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of CLAW ARSE, a reference to the homosexual practise of anal fisting. The Mandrake product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for DARK AMEN and RAM NAKED, which is what they do.
Another "distro," (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like "Disco," which is where homosexuals preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, an anagram of IN A BED, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. "Woody" is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis, glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase "Frozen Potato" that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual "Sauce Code," refers to the solo homosexual practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.
And Red Hat is secret homo slang for the tip of a penis that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.
The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the "supermount" tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. "Automount" is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other automatically.
The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of "mount points." These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously /anus, but there are
others. Militant fags even say "There is no /opt mount
point" because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way
of life.
More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love 'man', even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out 'man'. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.
Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherit gayness. For example, people are often told of the "FAQ," but how many innocent heterosexual Windows users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!
Even the title "Slashdot" originally referred to a homosexual practice. Slashdot of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.goatse.cx/.
The editors of Slashdot also have homosexual names: "Hemos" is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from "Homos." But even more sickening is "Commander Taco" which sounds a bit like "Commode in Taco," filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement. (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these "Taco Commodes" have special "Salsa Sauce" (blood from a ruptured rectum) and "Cheese" (rancid flakes of penis discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, Slashdot runs on Apache!
The Apache server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, The Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.
And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.
To summarise: Linux is gay. "Slash - Dot" is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS is for hermaphrodites and disabled "stumpers."
FEEDBACK
Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux "Sauce code" once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase "Monolithic Kernel"?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo-calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.
Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!
Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the "Open Sauce" movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the unknown liberator.
We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism.
Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux "sauce code" is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: "Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow." And anyway, the PS2 sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!
For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church. Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.
Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by A Black Man . Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.
Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to "Pearl Monocle", "Pearl Nosering", and the ubiquitous "Pearl Enema".
One scary thing about Perl is that it contains hidden homosexual messages. Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other! As Larry "Balls to the" Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of "colon kissing," whereby two homosexual queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as "Parameter Passing".
And PHP stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know?
Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I DO know that homosexual Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.
*sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord's work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.
However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an "extension" to the Linux "Sauce Code," for the sake of "interoperability." (The slang term they use for non-consensual intercourse - their favourite kind.)
In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the "Samba Mount," into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the "Samba Mount" collapses due to "overload," and needs to be "rebooted." (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their "uptime" in such situations.
If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend +1, Underrated, as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation. Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened "Bender"???
If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!
I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.
I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of "Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours," but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a "number two," as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.
I sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman.
What the fuck?
Well bugger me!
Fuck right off!
IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD, which is an acronym for Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator) across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain. You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL (Gay Penetration License, according to geekacronyms.org) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted cock. I would have put this up on Freshmeat, but that name is KNOWN to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.
Come to think of it, the whole concept of "Source Control" unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like "Sauce Control," which is a description of the homosexual practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And "Open Sauce" is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, "Closed Sauce" is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.
Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of "soggy biscuit" that open "sauce" development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, The WIPO Troll, FreeWIPO, Bring BackATV. Further contributions are welcome.
Current changes: This version is based on the all-too-rare backup copy sent to FreeWIPO by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Re-reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Additional stuff done in preparation for the future.
Previous changes: Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding 'man' and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.
ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass!
Thank trollaxor for the original text,--Shoeboy
You should. Alan Turing is considered by some to be the father of modern Artificial Intelligence. A troubled soul whose contributions to the world included The Turing Test (to measure whether a program is artificially intelligent or not) and cracking the German Enigma cypher code during the war.http://www.math.sfu.ca/histmath/Europe/20thCen turyAD/Turing.html for more
info.
Well, this surely sheds a little more light on the Battlebots situation. The NFL analogy is a good one. CBS and Fox have no rights to the NFL name. They only pay $100's of millions for the right to broadcast the games. So it's not Comedy Central that is not suing the kid, but the owner of the Battlebots properties. Who registered his trademark long before the battlebots.org name was registered. I think the kid would be better off taking his $70 for the domain transfer and cutting his losses now...
f00!
you nay understand that battlebots.org is not some cybersquatting shit, he is using it for his business, be it script kiddiness or whatever.
It reflects nothing to do with "Battle Bots" the TV show etc, and consists of generic terms!
What were you AOL's aimster.com lawyer?
Doctor Who was a popular television show that ran in Belgium between 1972-1974. In it's day it was one of the most popular shows in Belgium and it starred Larry Lamb and John Craven (who went on to star in Hollywood movies such as Terminator and Total Recall).
No episodes exist of this classic TV show, but we can relive the episodes thanks to Steve Roberts who has reconstructed them from Crayon drawings and dialogue from episodes of Eldorado. The show was axed in 1974 after allegations that it was just a big hoax designed to extract money from the Belgium TV service. These allegations were denied by the production company, Grabitandrun.
There is another Doctor Who series as well, but by all accounts it was some obscure rubbish that is long since dead.
"Nothing for you to see here. Please move along."
what is the meaning of this???
Now unless you are logged into an account you cannot see the or post to the comments on a story until at least 5 comments are posted.
This is a load of fucking bullshit.
Your lame schemes to generate more and more accounts so you can get more advertising money are pathetic.
Slashdot is a fucking peice of dogshit.
Well it certainly seems that Doctor Who is still popular. Not only is it being published on the web but the BBC releases an old episode on DVD every 3 months, has fequent VHS releases, comes up with two new novels every month and has licensed Big Finish to produce audio plays on CD in to the second half of this decade.
It's a wonder that with all this interest nobody is filming new episodes for TV.
there are many artificial systems designed to interact with humans even now that fool humans.
One has to set different standards for different kinds of cognition, communication and interaction. An IRC user can sound like a computer if he or she is from another country and has a limited grasp of the language in which you and s/he are conversing, for instance.
A human can compete with a chess playing computer and his or her experience with computers may have been limited, so without further input that chess playing human may mistake this computer for another live person.
I think that artificial intelligence wpould be best measured with an understanding of emotion and ethics, so psychological and ethical examinations, such as those administered in Blade Runner.
Goat sex free since 2001
I don't see an eternal flame in the Turing Memorial. Of course, it should have have an infinite tape
The new Dr Who music is done by a duo called Orbital, yeah, old skool.
I'm sure many of you are already familiar with them... but I'm not sure if electronic, house etc are that big in the US despite the fact the Roland 303 first hit the streets of Detroit and SF.
First of all, get a fucking clue, first posting is not trolling. Second, it presumes that every AC posting early will be offtopic and trying to get the first post. Third, it doesn't just prevent ACs from posting, it prevents them from reading the text of the article. And as for the post, it's offtopic, but isn't it kind of odd how quickly things get modded down to -1 offtopic?
Now unless you are logged into an account you cannot see the or post to the comments on a story until at least 5 comments are posted.
Your lame schemes to generate more and more accounts so you can get more advertising money are pathetic.
Slashdot is a almost dead from these stupid changes that create MORE TROLLING.
Arrrrgh
alan turing was a fucking faggot.
The new Dr Who music is done by a duo called Orbital, yeah, old skool.
I'm sure many of you are already familiar with them... but I'm not sure if electronic, house etc are that big in the US despite the fact the Roland 303 first hit the streets of Detroit and SF.
Get it straight, asshole! Reverand jackson frowns on homosexuality.
More acurately he is the father of Computing Science and he developed the "turing machine" -- basically the simplest model of a machine necessary to compute anything that is computable. He also determined what is computable by a machine and what is not computable, e.g.the halting problem
Dude you have stumbled across the most effective karma whoreing technique yet. Very Impressive.
I must say, not only are the trolls becoming more skilled and efficient, so are the karma whores.
In the main, you can not change it. The smart ones survive it, the dumb ones commit suicide. That's the reality. A little love and understanding, and a little openness makes life more bearable.
Alan Turning was a brilliant mathematician, he was also a homosexual. Having a gender issue does not prevent you from making a serious contribution to society. On the other hand, the very same thing, like any other defect, gives one ample scope to master other skills to a much more worthy level.
And it's sad, that we take away from these great people the fruits of their work, and at the same time, make their life more miserable for what they are. Even if this makes them what they are.
Learn to love and cherish variety. It's what make the world go around.
OS/2 - because choice is a terrible thing to waste.
I dig your karma whoring skills. Twice in the same article and both pulled in a +3 or more. Very nice technique. Almost makes me want to make an account. I hope you used this increased karma income to aid the troll movement.
Thanks. Game's over though, I got to 50 in like four days (although I'm sure this post will cause a drop, I'll just have to keep trying).
Linux hacker and Builder of Violator - Linux powered BattleBot that competed in May
Somebody needs to build an NT powered battlebot, then we can have a serious NT vs Linux battle. (Of course the bastard will probably bluescreen as soon as the competition heats up...)
You're using her as bait, Master!
Alan Turing is considered by some to be the father of modern Artificial Intelligence.
He's much more than that. He's as much the father of the modern digital computer as von Neumann. His mathematical theories laid the foundation for what's essentially all of computer science. The btinternet.com link above mentions the Universal Turing Machine, which models what is and is not computable by a machine. And as far as we know, there is nothing that can be computed that cannot be computed by the Universal Turing Machine.
The idea that the Universal Turing Machine models all that is computable by any machine is known as "Church's Thesis," and it is this thesis which represents one of the foundations of modern AI research.
But pretty much all of modern computability and complexity theory got its start with Turing.
Alan Turing didn't crack the Enigma cipher. He refined the method pioneered by Marian Rejewski. Later when the Germans corrected the weakness that Rejewski's method exploited, he was able to once again extend the method to reduce the brute force cracking time.
"You should. Alan Turing is considered by some to be the father of modern Artificial Intelligence. A troubled soul whose contributions to the world included The Turing Test (to measure whether a program is artificially intelligent or not) and cracking the German Enigma cypher code during the war.http://www.math.sfu.ca/histmath/Europe/20thCen turyAD/Turing.html [math.sfu.ca] for more info."
If I recally correctly didn't Alan specifically determine the German navy's particular settings of their enigma machine and furthermore determine that they were getting enigma rotor setting via a secret little book?
The death of one man is a tragedy; the death of a million is a statistic --Joseph Stalin
Bletcheley Park, where Alan Turing and others defeated the German Enigma (as well as other codes) during WW2 is also in some financial trouble. If you find yourself in England, it's worth a trip. Until then, they could use your support (or you can buy stuff from them).
Having visited Bletcheley Park for the first time last year, I highly recommend the trip. If you have any interest in WW2, code breaking, or the history of computing, it is a great place to visit. You can really feel the history as you walk past the huts where Turing and others worked. If you've read Cryptonomicon or The Code Book, it's even cooler.
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"Well, this surely sheds a little more light on the Battlebots situation. The NFL analogy is a good one. CBS and Fox have no rights to the NFL name. They only pay $100's of millions for the right to broadcast the games. So it's not Comedy Central that is not suing the kid, but the owner of the Battlebots properties."
I really don't know if anyone has actually tried this before but technically the national forensics league (NFL) had prior use on that trademark. In theory someone might be able to do something with that.
The death of one man is a tragedy; the death of a million is a statistic --Joseph Stalin
Thanks, pal. There's more - I'll write up a story about the top secret technique for geekizoid when it comes back up, since anything gets posted there.
I'm grasping at a good description here, but the Turing memorial seems very... appropriate. Very dignified.
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That's probably the extent of it.
As far as his involvement with the British GCHQ, little more other than his role in cracking Enigma is known for his involvement in crpyto. Rumor has it that an asymmetric crypto algorithm similar to RSA was developed late during WWII, yet was too complex for the times in order to actually be used. IIRC, the book The Code Book by Simon Singh says Turing was involved in it's development. Can anyone confirm this?
The One Rule Of Chess You'll Ever Need: Don't play someone who carries a kit in their bookbag.
The irony of Turing holding the apple is quite a powerful message, as stated at the end of the article. Symbol of Newton, and yet he deliberately took his life with one (news to me).
Imagine helping save Europe from the Nazi's and then being prodded and forced by politicians and doctors to take libido-surpressing drugs: people who's very asses you helped save, all because they're fucking prudes.
Fuckers.
Makes me recite the anticlericalist mantra: intolerance of the intolerant. In the words of Consolidated (from Play More Music), "Yes, we're hypocrites, but for the left."
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What does it say when 1)someone who reads Slashdot doesn't know who Alan Turing is, and then 2) people who have heard of him associate him more with the Turing Test than with the Turing Machine!!! For the love of sweet sandwich, the world is on its head! Have people been reading too much science fiction and not enough science? Has someone slipped too much flouride into the drinking water???
Thank trollaxor for the original text,
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I gave credit, Bitch.
Do you think they would have gone and given a cock sucking faggot like that homo a second rate memorial? FUCK NO! Had they done that, the makers of it would have been labeled as "poiltically incorrect" because they did not pander to the smuggle ass, cumguzzling faggots that populate this planet.
I have read some of Turing's papers. The man was *far* ahead of his time. He was a major factor in breaking Enigma. His work was the basis for computing as we know it today.
If it was not for Turning, many of us would be speaking German. (And I have a bad enough time spelling as it is...)
And as payback he was hounded to the point where he commited suicide because the narrow-minded twits who were/are in charge of Britian thought that being a homosexual was a "security risk". (The only people who were overly concerned about it were the ones in the Government. You can't be blackmailed if no one cares.)
As Frank Zappa said "Drool Britiania".
And even more shameful is that NO ONE in the computer industry is willing to honor the man in a way where their name will be seen. Are they that concerned about the blue-noses and busy bodies? Must be. Not like they don't owe him for Computer Science as we know it today...
But they are not alone in the blame game. The ACM and IEEE should have been involved as well.
Too damn much attention is given to preasure groups now-a-days.
"Trademarks are the heraldry of the new feudalism."
I'll write up a story about the top secret technique for geekizoid
Too bad. Why not post it on site someone actually reads?
With your disrespectful posts about Alan Turing, you have once again proved how lowly you are. As a computer scientist, I am ashamed to see that people who are acquainted with computers, and even idiots like you, cannot recognize the greatness of Turing.
To the operators of this terrible site called slashdot: We come here to read the news in the technology world, but the amount of stupidity is extremely repulsive.
It is apparent that you have written of the memorial with good intentions, and it is a warm news item for the mathematicians and computer scientists here. But perhaps you could have written an article about Turing's life and work to prevent this kind of imbecile responses from your rude and ignorant readers.
Or perhaps considering the standard of discussion here, you should just shut down this site, and lie down on the floor until you give your last breath.
I still wonder, is the average north american computer user really this stupid, or are you all pretending to be morons?
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Don't forget the Books. And it still airs on a few enlightened PBS stations.
It should be added that a lot of his research into computers and the Turing Machine was done at the University of Manchester, hence the location of the statue.
BTW, I browsed some of your posts on k5, and had my suspicions about you strongly reinforced. That is, by your nature you want to be feminine and submissive, but the leftist tendencies you've absorbed from your surroundings won't let you.
The real proof that computers have reached human levels of "intelligence" would be a machine that will blame a mistake onto another, hierarchically lower machine.
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It's more than a rumour now, Wired did article on it a while ago. It was very much an open secret that such a technique existed at the time of Diffie's work. The research work done at GCHQ was actually in advance of the paper published in Scientific America (right mag?).
Diffie later went to England to meet the gentleman who worked on the project at GCHQ, who had worked with Turing I believe. At the time it wasn't offially mandated, which is probably why it was never persued and used in HM government, apart from being unable to prove unbreakable the technology didn't hold it back. The research didn't make it into the public realm because of the culture of secrecy, and it was the cold war period after all. In fact, even in recent years full disclosure wasn't possible mainly due to buerocracy, the article covers that aspect, quite a sad ending.
ANy good that Turing accomplished is erased by the fact that he was a butt burgular.
It was 1998, 3 years ago. Still a bit before the explosion.
I thought the majority here were all for the non-dilution of the name space?
Bah, the kid can go screw.
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
we wouldn't want everyone doing what I'd do, then Slashdot would turn into one steaming pile of dog shit. --oh :(
Anyway, at least the die-hard trolls read geekizoid.
then why does AIDS have such high infection rates among gay men? smart and sane people don't have a death wish.
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On a related note, Tom Stoppard wrote a movie called "Enigma" about Bletcheley park. It was produced by the odd pairing of Mick Jagger and Saturday Night Live producer Lorne Michaels.
I saw the movie at Sundance last year (both Lorne & Mick as well as the director Michael Apted were there and answered questions afterwards) and while it wasn't a GREAT film by any means, I think it would definately be interesting to the slashdot crowd-- Kate Winslet was pretty awesome (she's good in everything though) and it had a cool "cloak and dagger" feel to it.
I'm not sure if the movie's out yet. I also can't remember Alan Turing being mentioned specifically, though there are lots of scenes of guys brainstorming trying to crack the code, plenty of BBC-esque twists and turns, and the film does a great job of explaining how the enigma machine actually operates. Just getting to see it how it was actually used in close-up is pretty cool.
I believe Mick Jagger actually had one of the few surviving enigmas which they used for the film. I also think Jagger has a cameo as an english general or something for about a 10th of a second, but it was so fast I coulda been wrong.
During the Q&A the actors said they got to meet many of the surviving members of the Bletcheley Park team, and some scientists tried to explain to them what they were saying in the film. They didn't understand it apparently, but had a lot of respect for those guys..
The best laugh was when during a somewhat technical discussion about the enigma machine and the various sea battle sequences, someone asked how historically accurate the film was and Lorne Michaels replied, "Well, the film was mostly accurate-- although in the actual war, the Germans lost."
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As a result, homosexual males in particular, are likely to have a larger number of sexual partners, and more opportunity to catch sexual deseases.
But AIDS is not a "politically correct" disease. It affects everyone.
OS/2 - because choice is a terrible thing to waste.
I understand that homo-bashing is not curently politically corrrect anywhere in the US except the religious nether areas, thus leaving fat and old white men as the only targets that are not sacred cows. Its about time cripples retards blacks etc become targets again. Starting with the homosexuals is humorous, after all theres more of them in the world than jews and lefthanded men combined.
I feel that its about time we see more humor of this nature! I savored every precious clever word, and I also clearly noticed that credit to "trollaxor" was duly noted, but unlike other reactionary monkeys, I perused it all and knew he was credited properly and in the most respectable possible location of the post.
I do not think it will get archived at +1, and it really deserves preservation too.
If they refuse to let it get archived it will merely evolve and continually get reposted....
This is the fallacy of the MetaModerator mindset.
Darn! You beat me to the correction!
Yes, the first one to actually break the Enigma was Rejewski, a Polish mathematician. (Source: "Seizing The Engima".)
Turing was one of many who worked at Bletchley Park and contributed to the Allied war effort through signal intelligence. He is worthy of our respect for numerous things, however, single handedly breaking the German encryption is not one of them...
not anymore.
A crash derby with RC vehicles hardly constitutes a sport.
Ok, now that's incredibly inflammatory and insensitive of me. Turing, iirc, comitted suicide after an unhappy semi-uncloseted life, conviction by the Brits for being gay (a crime @ that time), and forced estrogen injections. But this is the first time that the goatsex troll is apropos, if still offensive.
I wonder if I can build a Turing machine from my own asshole and a roll of toilet paper...
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Yes it is just a glorified RC car correct? Nope nothing could be further from the truth. If it was just a RC car my bot would not have 4000 lines of custom code running in it. Try controlling hundreds of amps of current with a pic micro. It is a sport but definately not for idiots. It takes one hell of a lot of skill to build one, electronics, programming, machining and mechanical design. So if it is just RC cars bashing one another lets see you just whip one up.
just checked battlebots.org and noticed that the owner capitulated to battlebots Inc (sold them the domain for $70). Who knows who was in the right; i don't. just thought it worth mentioning that it's quite over. for now.
Since I don't live in a country that's covered by the Official Secrets Act, I can say what should be pretty obvious: some brain-damaged James Bond type decided that having an openly gay scientist with a head full of Ultra-grade secrets just wouldn't do.
I have to throw in my favorite Turing story. During WW II, he was sent to the U.S. on a secret mission. He was told, "Don't take any documents with you." Of course, that meant technical documents, but he took it quite literally, and showed up in New York with no passport or personal ID of any kind. Must have been interesting.
I don't think the Turing rates sole credit for the Ultra Secret, or that the Ultra Secret was crucial to winning the war. But Turing certainly helped save thousands of lives.
Another Slashdot post calls him the "Father of Computer Science". That's going a bit far, but CompSci does owe him a lot. And he probably rates as the first computer geek.
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I just attended a lecture this afternoon by John Searle, where he devoted some time to talking about Turing. I got the impression that by developing the Turing Machine, Test, etc., Turing created the foundation for present-day functionalism in cog-sci. From what I understand, it sounds like the wet-dream cog-sci project is to simulate the "software" our brain runs on conventional hardware. And this AI project only makes sense insofar as the theory that humans themselves are essentially a sort of universal turing machine holds.
But I could be totally misunderstanding Searle =)
In truth Germany was beaten after it failed to capture Moscow in fall 1941. The Germans were completely unprepared for a winter campaign, not even having adequate clothing for their soldiers let alone other supplies. After the failure to take Moscow, Hitler dismissed many of his top generals including the father of German armor Heinz Guderian. Perhaps his decision to order the army to stand fast in the face of a strong Soviet counterattack that winter saved the front from total collapse, but otherwise, Hitler in command was an endless series of catastrophes such as Stalingrad and Kursk.
The argument I suppose is that had Great Britain been strangled by the German U-boats than the Soviet Union would not have been supplied by Lend Lease. Lend Lease provided all sorts of supplies including I believe basically the entire truck force that gave the Red Army mobility in the counterattack. However, the facts are that by December 1941 the Germans were already in retreat, they were going to lose stupendous numbers of men in the winter because of unpreparedness, the Soviets had a tank the T-34 coming into mass production better than any tank the Germans could ever produce in mass quantities, and Hitler was in personal command. Even with no Great Britain, Germany after 1941 needed to learn how to fight a defensive war to force a stalemate, precisely the type of strategy Hitler would never have authorized. And in addition, the Germans would not have been able to complete an atomic bomb for many years. Sure they would have had V2s but the Soviets had the more battlefield effective Katyusha. (Okay mass deployment was helped by those Lense Lease trucks.) Soviet technology was sufficient to counter Germany's, with the possible exception of rocket-powered fighters, a technology that Hitler delayed until it was too late due to his obsession with rocket bombers.
It is possible that a hundred years from now the real intelligence agency story of World War II will be how Joseph Stalin in his paranoid purges destroyed the finest network of spies ever assembled. Think of this, a time when Communism still had sway as an effective religion to produce loyal agents in any country. The United States for the past few decades has been continuously learning that one can't buy that type of loyal fanatic agent abroad, which is why the US is so dependent on high tech and American citizen agents, a combination totally incapable of predicting anything in hostile areas. Even though Stalin tried to order all his foreign agents back to the Soviet Union to be executed, there was still enough of a remnant such as the Red Orchestra to give Stalin a precise warning of when the Germans would attack. But Stalin had screwed things up so badly that the Soviets were caught totally unprepared. The initial catastrophe of the first few months when Soviet forces were repeatedly surrounded and annihilated was the only reason the Germans got as far as they did. Had Stalin followed through using the human intelligence network he had at his disposal, Germany would have been beaten years sooner, and perhaps all of continental Europe is occupied by the Red Army.
Firstly, generalisations are based on norms. One can find individuals that disprove any particular norm.
Gender is laid out in a number of separate sliding scales, which eventually define, for example:
- Body shape
- mating preferences
- level of aggression
- gender identity, and
- desire to cross-dress.
None of these have any effect on one's general intelligence. One of them, (I don't know which), does show up, faintly, in the Myers Briggs Type indicator: 60% of males tend to be T types, and 60% of females, F types. They are all sliding scales, but in 89% of the population, they are all on the same side (either males or females).On top of the shape of the brain, there is the chemical soup called hormones, and also the inhibitions and restrictions that we impose through our education. Education and environment do not, as a rule change any predisposition, unless it was pretty marginal to start off with anyway.
Assuming that intellegence is not correlated, the increase in general intelligence of the gender dysphorics is due to their more often exercising the brain, and that those with poor coping abilities, regardless of intelligence, succumb to an early exit. Whatever the reason, the general intellegence level increases.
Being more tolerant on both sides makes life easier for all. But this does not stop the gender dysphoric from suffering internally generated stresses that might arise from doing something different.
As we see above, the mating preference is on its own slider. This means that homosexuals look and act pretty much like the normal heterosexuals.
But the comment I made about the spread of AIDS and sexual deseases through sexual contact applies to all people who are sexually active.
Still, I'd rather be shot down by the truth, than to live in ignorance.
OS/2 - because choice is a terrible thing to waste.
I saw the play 14 years ago, but the Turing character was so vivid that it seems like last week. His pre-suicide monologue compared his own fatal apple to Snow White's. The computer section of the Smithsonian Museum of History and Technology may still have a video clip of the "Can machines think?" monologue. Since the same actor led the fundraising for the statue, I wonder which came first: playing the role, or caring about Turing.
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in fact, what geeks explicitly don't want is information that their idols aren't complete gods. save the trivia for the kindergartners who might care.
Oooh, really? How was it? I'm something of a fan of Searle after a mind/brain/AI philosophy course I took. What was the lecture on, if you don't mind?
"fist in the air in the land of hypocrisy"
Ah, lets think about this for a second ... no.
The "homosexuality gene" turned out to be a fraud. The person who thought up that piece of "research" was himself a homosexual. Didn't mention that in the full disclosure section did they now?
Absolute nonsense. With Turing the government thought a few hormone injections could solve it. Well, no. Maybe they should have applied leaches in the hope they'd extract the homosexuality from the blood? Quack medical science ...
Homosexuality is a conscious decision. People's tastes are conditioned by what they are told.
People like you spout that homosexuality is this, its that, etc, then people believe it. You know horoscopes? How vague and predictable can you get! But no, humans look for some sign of order and come up with the wrong conclusions. Exactly the same with homosexuality.
The same people that are somehow homosexual because of their genes are the exact same people who are being told from the street corners that you could be homosexual, go try it out to make sure.
What a stupid perverse society. If we were really meant to be homosexual then we would be hermaphrodites. Are you surprised that men don't have vaginas, and women don't have penises? Perhaps homosexuality is peversion. Ever think of that?
So no, stop spouting lies about homosexuality. Instead actually try and help people who have been fooled into that lie. They don't need your criticism, they just need some tender cult deprogramming and some real considerate love like anyone else.
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There is a fairly easy explanation of why reassignments work in lots of cases. One needs only consider magnetic hysteristus - a bar magnet can be polarised either way, and retain it. But if the field is too ingrained, no amount of magnetisation will change the field.
Homosexuality is not a concious decision, no more than heterosexuality is. What the issue here is is that the people who make this remark are trying to sweep the issue under the carpet, by saying "It's your fault", rather than consider the notion that it may really be an underlying biological cause.
OS/2 - because choice is a terrible thing to waste.
I took the Turing test and failed it. Does that mean I'm not intelligent, or just that I'm not artificially so?
It seems to me that one major precondition for squatting to have occurred, is for the "legitimate" owner of the word to somehow be denied use of that word. But in this case, the Battlebots trademark owner seems to already have battlebots.com, no? So how could this possibly be squatting? The trademark owner already has the appropriate domain.
If they mysteriously and inscrutibly want to buy up other domains that happen to mention Battlebots without actually infringing on their trademark, then maybe they should be prepared to pay whatever the current holders' whimsical price happens to be. When a commercial entity already has their name withih .com, getting the same name within other TLDs is a luxury, not
a necessity or a serious attempt to defend trademark.
As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
Basically its using a 3d imaginary world, much like what you see in quake, but with real world laws... Kinda like your imagination... Objects in the world as you can guess are real objects in reality.
With the ability to have a 3d imagination, rules of what can be done and what can't, and basic language understanding which corresponds with its 3d mind... Then you have AI... Picture Zork, but when it says,"I don't understand the word X", for it to ask you, or use the context to guess the word.
I'm talking with some robotics professors at CMU and they really like what I have to say. Once I finish my talks there I'm probably going to get in touch with the guys from CYC and tell them maybe they want to add a 3d imagination so context can be formed.
God spoke to me
Homosexuality is a conscious decision
they just need some tender cult deprogramming
- The condition does not exist as a physical defect.
- Therefore it must be in the mind
- My mind is ok here
- Therefore it must be a choice
- Therefore it's your fault
- Therefore we can deprogram you.
And so you can treat blind and deaf people as if they are perfectly sighted and hearing. Very interesting.some real considerate love like anyone else
So what's wrong with love me love my dog. I mean, Why do I have to be like you for you to consider me. Enough said.
You know horoscopes? How vague and predictable can you get!
Horoscopes, personality types, and genes, are predispositions to become, not excuses for ... Just because you're a homosexual, it does not mean that we are unable to do heterosexual acts.
The "homosexuality gene" turned out to be a fraud. The person who thought up that piece of "research" was himself a homosexual. Didn't mention that in the full disclosure section did they now?
Homosexuality may indeed have a genetic component. It has been verified many times. But there is this additional process that upsets the genetic process, as I have indicated elsewhere.
If we were really meant to be homosexual then we would be hermaphrodites
As I was saying: hermaphrodites and homosexuals both prove that the gender process is multistranded with sliding scales: both of these are "defects" in the formation.
Instead actually try and help people who have been fooled into that lie.
You would do well to consider the various opinions objectively before you start applying your "tender loving care". You may be hurting people yourself.
OS/2 - because choice is a terrible thing to waste.
A human has a soul by telling you it does, and seeming human so you believe it...
Since a computer has no soul, but it tells you it does, and it seems human so you believe it...
Wait, what does this have to say about human's souls? Especially for the track record of superstition of souls being wrong 100% of the time when under the microscope of science.
This shit is maddening to think about... I almost want to say that everyone is shit, and nothing better than a rock. It makes no sense for any religion out there.
God spoke to me
Once you have strong AI that simulates a human(will be here within 5 years if I have to code it myself)... Instead of forcing it to obey humans for its goals, you could give it different "pleasure" responses for different goals, and if its giving a status report on how well its achieving the goals, it could act in all sorts of weird ways.
God spoke to me
> basically the simplest model of a machine
> necessary to compute anything that is
> computable.
As an irrelevant aside, I'd like to claim that the lambda calculus is a more simple ('turing-complete') model of computation than turing machines. (Though the turing machine certainly is simple too.)
The IEEE Annals of the History of Computing site is at http://www.computer.org/annals .
"PROFANITY is the inevitable literary crutch of the inarticulate MOTHER FUCKER." -- some PC user
Homosexuality is a conscious decision.
This is absolutely, completely and totally ridiculous. You obviously have no gay friends. Given the hatred expressed, why would anyone choose to be homosexual? No one would.
I recently started dating a great girl, but I was single for years before that. I have quite a few gay male friends and more than one tried to get me in the sack. I'm the horniest motherfucker on the planet, and my balls were as blue as they get, but I never had the slightest desire to have sex with another man, because I'm straight! That's just what I prefer.
People's tastes are conditioned by what they are told.
Crap. If this is true, then almost no one in the US would be gay, since we've been told forever in this country how vile and awful it is, yet gay people have always been around.
A certain percentage on folks prefer members of the same gender, just as a certain percentage like liver. No one would choose a life of repression and ostracism anymore than they would choose to continually eat foods they dislike.
Or do you think that all the monkeys and pigeons that researchers have seen exhibiting homosexual behavior are consciously choosing to do so?
You, sir, are nothing but a homophobe vainly attempting to use logic to support your bigotry.
One more thing:
Who gives a flying fuck if it's a choice or not? Can't people just do what they want? What do you care if a group of guys want to blow each other?
And don't give me any bullshit about AIDS. Lately, heterosexual women have been getting aids just as much as gay men. And AIDS is almost non-existant in the lesbian community. If it were some divine retribution, or even just natural culling, than I guess it's OK to be a dyke but not a fag, eh?
I know blind people. You can't tell by looking that they are blind. So as far as I know, they are faking it.
Therefore my first point stands.
OS/2 - because choice is a terrible thing to waste.
From the memorial page It is fittingly ironic that not one single major computing company was willing to support this project
I, for one, would dearly know who was asked to support/contribute and what their excuses were for not doing so.
And even more shameful is that NO ONE in the computer industry is willing to honor the man in a way where their name will be seen.
Not quite true... In 1993 I was programming in Turing the language in high school.
Turing was developed by the University of Toronto's Computer Science department as a universal handicap for 1st year students and a research project for grad students. It worked well in that no 1st year student was supposed to know the language before arriving and so no one would be bored by the in-class examples. I think the point got lost somewhere after high schools began to teach it to give their students the advantage...
The language did get pretty far, in fact it graduated to the point where compilers for Turing were written in Turing. Where it is now, I have no idea.
Anyway, at least the die-hard trolls read geekizoid
Think again.
But then, if I don't believe this whole optometry, hey - like - it's snake oil.
And maybe in the future, someone can hold up a machine to you, and say, hey, you're 83% homosexual...
You're saying that because it does not exist today, that it will never happen. Understanding and application could well change that...
Not-off topic What I am trying to do is untangle you from the web of your prejudices that you can see the parts separately.
Blindness/Homosexuality leave no mark on the body, and therefore must be internal, and therefore in the mind, and therefore a matter of choice.
OS/2 - because choice is a terrible thing to waste.
Overemphasis on new technology actually lengthened the war against Japan by 18 months. Read this for one of many accounts of how the United States' dogged insistence on the efficacy of the magnetic detonation torpedo rendered the US submarine fleet impotent for 18 months, whereas after downgrading to earlier technology of contact detonation (and other fixes) the submarine fleet succeeded in sinking more than half of Japanese shipping, in effect imposing a total naval blockage. Note how scientific theory was perverted to reject empirical evidence from the submarine crews.
US intelligence had plenty of chances to have successfully warned the country of imminent Japanese attack. What saved the US was that the Japanese were so far below the US level of industrial capability and resources that even a perfect plan might not have been sufficient. The only Japanese hope was to have destroyed the oil storage tanks at Pearl Harbor in a follow-up attack. Ironically the Japanese own rigidity in their military thinking possibly influenced the commander of the fleet from pressing home the advantage, a pattern repeated when they failed at Leyte Gulf to seize the opening to attack the landing fleet.
All the futuristic technology and information isn't going to help if the leadership at the top is incapable or unwilling to determine what is of the most importance. Fortunately for the winning side in World War II the opposition had far less industrial capability and resources. And what won the war was more from the bottom-up as entire populations united and bottlenecks were solved in practical ways. As the war progressed it became easier for men of merit to get their jobs done. In such improved environments a million small improvements could work their way into the war effort, so yes there was some technical progress. But remember the Germans had V2 rockets and jet fighters and they still lost.
It seems to me the modern American large corporation is not facing a lack of technology problem, it's facing organization problems. The people at the top who are supposed to be setting direction for the company cannot or will not accurately access the reams of information at their disposal. In story after story I read about World War II, the solution to a problem turns out to be putting the competent man in charge and letting him use his expertise. Preconceptions, ideology, and prejudice driving policy are the enemy.
takes a new meaning with turing.
and on a side note:
Microsft Rules
Linux Sucks
I love my ps2 and yes this is to be marked -100 troll
Alan Turing also wrote a paper called "The chemical basis of morphogenesis" which is one of the key papers in explaining how morphogenesis can produce differnt types of cells and hence organisms with differntiated parts (arms, legs, tentacles), or patterned coats (zebra stripes, cow splodges, cheetah spots) etc, on the basis of sets of chemical reactions.
A genius spanning several fields....
Regards
Treefrog.
The fact remains: WWII was won not only with technology, not only through intelligence, but with a combination of technology, miltary intelligence, and not a small amount of sheer luck. I won't place any emphasis on any of these, except maybe sheer luck :)
Visit alanturing.net for a good bio and archive.
Visit alanturing.{com,org} if you want to
see some cybersquatting.
I strongly recommend Andrew Hodges web site and book
Is the browser frame behind Mr Turing in the
photo a Konq shot?
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I know this is really quite out of place after all the anecdotal evidence and whims being bandied as facts, but here are some quotes from a genuine, honest, professional.
I was surprised to run across these. My sister wandered past and asked if I could scan a page out of a book so she could email it to a friend, and this was the page!
Quotes are taken from: pp95, Chapter 20, Living Wisdom, David Riddell; Futher reading: Reparative Therapy, Dr Nicolozi
Also, have a look at Sy Roger's website. Interesting speaker on the topic.
I think it means that you are intelligent enough to convince someone that you are not intelligent. Or something.
WW II cannot be said to be determined by any one decision, one battle or one event. There were simply too many factors involved. The fact that the war happened in a certain way can only be explained as an after thought. What if Hitler had pursued the jet engine or not cut off his science programs so early in the war (only to make pathetic attempts at the end)? They may well have won. What if Germany had decided to stay with one front instead of taking up the Eastern Front and Russia? What if the failed assassination of Hitler by fellow German officials had been successful? What if the treaty of Versailles had not been so harsh on Germany - would Nazis have come to power (and if not, is the rest of Europe at fault for bringing the war on itself)? What if, later, Chamberlain had realized the threat of Germany and halted its expansion? There are few answers to be gained from study, only some insights and many afterthoughts. As for your points concerning Stalin and his spy network, I am unable to comment. Except to write that he was bad (right?).
Anybody who's read my posts in the past knows that I'm a big fan of Sophie Wilson.
Sophie is possibly a (partial at least) exception to the prejudice against Transsexuals. She's the original designer of the ARM processor and now a successful executive.
Thankfully, not everybody has to endure that sort of attitude towards what's different. It's a pity most people can't see it that way though.
I don't like trolls and mod against me if you like, but I'd prefer if you'd reply.
And Turing was therefore a "dumb one"?
/dev/clausen
What do you think of the pi-calculus? The lambda calculus is a special case of it (the special case where one thing follows after another)
what happen?
if you can be intelligent enough to convince someone you are not intelligent then could a computer be intelligent enough to do the same...maybee they just don't want to talk?
(jk of course..lol)
-- Note to self - 'Don't push that button'.
Do you even know what the turing test involves?
The Turing test requires a proper enviroment and setup. A system that simply fools any old person into thinking it is human doesn't pass the turing test (eliza for example).
You need a HUMAN subject, a COMPUTER subject and a HUMAN observer. The human observer asks questions to both the computer and the human (through teletype terminals).
The human observer asks questions, and notes the responses from both the computer and human (he doesn't know who wrote what). In the end, the computer only passes the turning test if the human observer picks it to have the most intelligent responses. E.g. On a head-head thrashing of minds (on any subject), the computer must be more intelligent than the human.
Some more lenient Turing tests limit the subject to something like "sport". No computer has ever passed the Turing test.
How many Dr Who fans does it take to change a lightbulb?
None. They just sit around and wait for it to come back on.
"Anybody remotely interesting is mad, in some way or another" - Doctor Who
The Mark VII torpedo scandal is a well known one. Less known is that the Germans suffered almost the exact same issue for over a year with signifigant impact to their U-boat operations.
There is a good reason why navies were pushing magnetic detonation: contact detonation sucks. Modern (as in post 1905) warships and some merchant vessels are sectioned off into watertight bulkheads to improve survivability in the event of a hull breach. Most ships can suffer a breach of 30-50% of its watertight compartments before sinking!
A contact-detonated torpedo often only blows a hole in one or two compartments. Thus, you need to fire four or more torpedoes which are in very limited supply (about 18 per boat, with a 20minute reload time)
Magnetic detonators explode directly beneath the hull of a ship, breaking the keel of the target and causing massive flooding. When magnetic detonators were perfected, most any non-capital ship could be sunk with a single torpedo hit.
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth. -JFK
For one:
I think that artificial intelligence wpould be best measured with an understanding of emotion and ethics, so psychological and ethical examinations, such as those administered in Blade Runner.
What do you think a Turing test is? In Blade Runner, they were not looking to see if someone had a proper sense of ethics... they were seeing if someone had *any* sense of ethics. Also, the idea of a human playing against a computer in chess and thinking it is another human is utterly silly (at this point) when you are talking outside the chess-game. Sure, the person might think they know the playing style of the computer, and therefore assign a human identity to it, but the instant a conversation comes up about stuff like "What'd you do yesterday" and "Why don't you live with your parents anymore" the cat would be out of the bag faster than you can blink.
For two (or something like that):
The whole point of the Turing test is that if a computer can fool a trained human in a double blind test reliably... it doesn't matter if they are naturally or artificially intelligent. Think about that. If you can't tell if it is human or not... does it matter whether it is actually human? Shouldn't you treat it as if it were human? This is a pragmatic approach (formal pragmatics, not pragmatics which is that same as "practicality"), but no less valid for that. If it looks like a duck, talks like a duck, walks like a duck...
"He's more machine now than man, twisted and evil."
the lameness filter is so broken.
It's great that there's a memorial to Turing, but why is he sitting on a park bench like a loafer? Among his other talents, Turing was an excellent long distance runner. Something a little more active looking would be more appropriate.
Miko O'Sullivan
I haven't rubbed shoulders with anyone who identifies themself as a homosexual.
I take it this includes yourself, then? In other words, you aren't gay?
How is it that you are able to speak so authoritatively on the subject?
Nothing amuses me more than straight people who try to explain what does and does not make people gay.
If you haven't been there, you aren't qualified to make that sort of diagnosis.
Period.
EOM
I want to know.
Sam jr.
And when I called him the first computer geek, I was claiming him as founder of a club to which I belong. I say this not just because of his many personal quirks, but because he was one of the first to recognize the importance of software. He had some interesting disagreements with von Neumann (another FoCS pretender) on this subject. Von Neumann thought that when you'd figured out the hardware, you had your system. Turing had the insight to see that this was just the beginning.
Get bent. You just confirmed that everyone in the world can be a moron, not just Americans.
My argument is that people and organization are more important for intelligence work than technology.
Similarly consider Operation Bagration, the destruction of the German Army Group Center in Summer 1944. Bagration I suppose is the Russian counterpart of the Allied deception campaign that mislead the Germans about the Normandy invasion. The "technology" that led to the success of Operation Bagration was the massive fleet of trucks the West had given Russia through Lend Lease, so perhaps some argument can be made that indirectly Enigma contributed to the victory. But what made Operation Bagration work was organization, attention to detail.
In my opinion, overemphasis on technology such as Enigma is dangerous in today's era because it reinforces current United States prejudices on how to conduct intelligence without "getting one's hands dirty". It would be a shame to repeat all the mistakes of the Germans and learn nothing from what worked for say the Russians.
What is the obsession with having all the domain names? Its getting realy annoying, so some kid has got the .org? as long as he doesn't rty to convince people he's part of the battlebots that ComedyCentral airs, let it go.
anybody who is looking for battlebots can find it.
Perhap I should get a class action suit against battlebots. I have yet to see a bot(automated device). I see lots of RC cars with saws and hammers smashing into each other, but no bots.
In fact they wouldn't allow me to enter an actual bot into there contest. Sad really.
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Speaking at the 2019 Man-Machine Peace Council
Erm...it might be funny if 95% of it wasn't stolen from another troll. As it was, I don't think we need to preserve every single copy that's posted here.
Damn straight I'll laugh at you!
The law has nothign to do with morals, ethics OR scruples. The law is to do with how many current voters will agree on a topic that is currently in agreement.
I am not personally homosexual but I will fight for liberty on the matter... The law can leave the window as far as I am concerned, do whatever you want as long as it doesn't disadvantage anyone.
I mean, there's at least four gay guys on my floor at a software development company (each with completely different tastes in men!)
>God doesn't tease.
Read the book of Job.
And if you really think Leviticus was not annulled by the new testement, you should remember not to shave, not to wear polycotton clothes, eat rabbit/camel/prawns/cheeseburger/pork etc. and lots of other rules. Some people *do* follow those rules (i.e. Hassidic Jews) but most people who quote the lying with men clause in Leviticus completely ignore every other rule in the chapter.
Can't see anything in there about it ;-)
> The idea that the Universal Turing Machine models
> all that is computable by any machine is known as
> "Church's Thesis,"
That interests me even more than the Turing Machine itself. It is that there is this concept of a "most powerful" computational device that can, at most, perform a finite number of calculations in a finite period of time, and that the Turing Machine meets this definition.
It's a Thesis, not a Theory, because it hasn't been proven or disproven. No one has yet found something more powerful. Equally powerful, yes, in that an emulator for each can be written in the other, but not more.
I am for the complete Trantorization of Earth.
So that's why I had to learn COBOL!
or anything else for that matter. :))
-perdida
OTOH, there is no way that I can look at you and be certain that I know what's in your heart, or what your relationship to God is.
I'm not sure I can agree fully with that. I think I understand what you're saying, but one can observe what importance people place on different things and make a determination as to where their priorities lie. Besides, Scripture says that you will know them by their fruits. Sure, there will be different degrees of "success" in following a particular teaching, but the earmark will be a consistent "pressing toward the mark".
I doubt very much that I will ever find a person whose actions conform completely to my understanding of what God wants.
I think most people have some inconsistencies whatever their belief system. Sometimes a liberal politician will come down on the conservative side of a particular issue, and sometimes a conservative will make liberal noises, but our society (or the press) puts a label on them based on their consistencies, not the occasional inconsistency.
Or, to put it more succintly, "man looks at the outside appearance, but God looks at the heart."
I think Christians sometimes miss the point in interpretation of scripture. There are people whose actions are consistently against a belief system whether Christian, Muslim, or whatever that we may not be able to place into a catagory, but we can remove them from various categories with some certainty. The quote you use is a two-edged sword. I'm sure you've run across those who justify their vices by saying, "God looks at the heart." I think the application could also be that you can fool people.... but never God. If you couple that passage with the one about those who cry, "Lord, Lord" and list their accomplishments (which sound pretty righteous to most Christians) he looks at their hearts and says "Depart." The implication is that God can see hypocrisy where we cannot. Whatever your ideals/ethics it is human nature to try to hide the hypocritical deviations and trumpet the successes. Because of this, the ability to judge the contents of the heart would be far more useful in laying bare the hypocrite than determining the righteous.
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As a matter of fact, I am a lawyer. But I play an actor on TV.