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From Midway to Xbox, The story of Seamus Blackley

Matey-O writes: "Red Herring has an interesting look at Seamus Blackley, the Man behind the Xbox, and what it took to bring the console to market." I like that this article points out the risks that Microsoft took by trying to enter a field with very established competition (and with mixed results, so far).

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  1. "Everything went great until it looked like... by 56ker · · Score: 1, Funny

    the demo froze" - glad to see M$ up to their old tricks again. ;o)

    1. Re:"Everything went great until it looked like... by roll_w.it · · Score: 2, Informative
      the demo froze" - glad to see M$ up to their old tricks again. ;o)
      My first thought too, But Mr. Blackley had only pressed the Pause button
    2. Re:"Everything went great until it looked like... by jawad · · Score: 2, Funny

      Details, details. This is slashdot, remember?

    3. Re:"Everything went great until it looked like... by roll_w.it · · Score: 1

      I kinda think I think it's funnier though. The 'lead developer' accidentally presses the pause button -> Everybody's been talking about how the controllers are too awkward...


      Was it an accident though?
    4. Re:"Everything went great until it looked like... by Matey-O · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If it was the presentation _I've_ seen Blackley put on, it wasn't an accident. He demoed NFL 2k2, then pause the playback, zoomed in on the football in mid flight, and commented that the texturemap for the football ALONE was larger than the entire video memory for the Gamecube.

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    5. Re:"Everything went great until it looked like... by duren686 · · Score: 1

      Who needs that much texture memory in a football? Honestly, I'd much prefer if they'd work on their games rather than texturing footballs for maximum hardware-zealot enjoyment.

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    6. Re:"Everything went great until it looked like... by Shaheen · · Score: 2

      Yeah, and for those who hadn't read the article... Seamus had hit the pause button.

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    7. Re:"Everything went great until it looked like... by Juln · · Score: 1

      BUT, he didn't mention that the gamecube can use 6X compressed textures, did he?? That makes the difference. Anyway, that would be incorrect... the Gamecube has 16 megs of video ram. I don't think the football has quite that much of a texture.
      The Xbox isn't that much more powerful than the Gamecube. It's close enough to be like playing a 3d game ona computer with a different graphics card or something. Nothing like the contrast between consoles in the late eighties and earliy nineties.

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    8. Re:"Everything went great until it looked like... by Openadvocate · · Score: 1

      My first thought too, But Mr. Blackley had only pressed the Pause button

      Yes,, yes, that's what well tell them, we pressed the pause button. muhahhahaaa :)

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  2. "...box that didn't run windows" by svara · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's not true... The XBox runs a stripped down version of Window 2000, as you can read at the Xbox-Linux site. These guys managed to get Apache running on that minimal W2k.

    1. Re:"...box that didn't run windows" by Alien54 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I wonder about this quote then:

      Many of the Xbox team's original ideas were tossed aside, including the team's proposal that the Xbox run Microsoft's Windows operating system. Upon hearing this, Mr. Gates blew his top. But he eventually saw that Windows would only get in the way of developers creating great games.

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    2. Re:"...box that didn't run windows" by Glonk · · Score: 1

      I wonder about this quote then:

      Gate wanted it to run Windows, as in, the real thing. He wanted everyone to see the familiar Windows GUI, he wanted multitasking (he wanted MSN Messenger running while the game was running). The Xbox guys shot all these down and he caved in.

      It's true the Xbox runs a stripped down Win2K kernel (500KB of RAM used or something like that), it runs all code at ring0, it runs 1 process but supports multiple threads, and has built in drivers.

    3. Re:"...box that didn't run windows" by blastedtokyo · · Score: 1

      The original X-Box proposal would use Win9x with DirectX minus Explorer.exe in the interests of keeping working set smaller and developing it quickly. So, the article was probably oversimplifying a relatively big change when they went away from win9x to win2k.

  3. From a non-gamer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am not a gamer.

    I was at Circuit City yesterday, shopping for some stereo equipment. I decided to check out the video game section just to see what the fuss was about. This was the first time i'd seen a gamecube,xbox,and playstation2 in person.

    Frankly, i'm not sure Xbox in its current incarnation is going to do too well, at least among casual users like me.

    1. Compared to the Ninendo system and the playstation 2, the Xbox was _huge_, and ugly. I guess it really is just a PC stuffed into a black box. I was surprised at its size; bigger even than my old colecovision. This is progress?

    2. The game controllers were uncomfortably large for my (adult, male) hands.

    3. the graphics were good, and the games they were demoing were good, but not so much better than the other systems. And there weren't that many games available for it.

    4. Compared to the playstation2, which game in an elegantly small package, had a ridiculously huge selection of games, and controllers that fit my hand, i could see no compelling benefits for buying the xbox. The nintendo system also looked interesting, because of the totally far-out games they were demoing (i'm not sure what is in the water at nintendo HQ... those people have fantastic imaginations.)

    So, from a "clueless" gamer's perspective, the Xbox didn't seem like a great deal. I am not "1337" when it comes to consoles though, so I don't know of the technical advantages of the Xbox. Nor do I really care.

    1. Re:From a non-gamer... by Omerna · · Score: 2

      2. The game controllers were uncomfortably large for my (adult, male) hands.

      This is slightly OT, but am I the only person in the world who actually likes the controllers on the Xbox? They fit my hands well (better than any other console, Playstations are small and uncomfortable, and the Gamecube's are incredibly awkward) and the buttons are arranged correctly... People complain about the diamond shape of the buttons, but actually, using the angle of your thumb, it lines up straight, like a cross. (You hold the controller, you thumb points along a line through the middle two buttons which lines it up much better than a "normal" configuration.) Also the dual joystick type things help make actually playing games so much better... It allows a FPS to be fun and playable, while other types of games don't lose any control. So what's people's deal with the controllers. I'm honestly curious.

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    2. Re:From a non-gamer... by gerbache · · Score: 1

      All of these combined with the high price of the x-box, at least right after it came out (I can't really comment on it lately) really makes for a bad looking situation for Microsoft and their system. Granted, some of the games for it have quite a bit better graphics than what I've seen out of the Nintendo and Playstation camps, but nothing really extraordinary. Maybe if their packages were the same price as the Nintendo or Playstation ones the system would have taken off a bit better, but who knows.

    3. Re:From a non-gamer... by MediaBoy77 · · Score: 1

      One of Xbox's in-store problems is that they're demo'ing the wrong games. Halo is a great, deep game, but it looks very similar to PC shooters, and has a learning curve that can't be overcome in 30 seconds of play in a store.

      I've also seen DOA3, Bloodwake, and Munch's Oddysee in stores. DOA3 is gorgeous, but doesn't have anything that separates it from Soul Caliber on those in-store monitors. Bloodwake just doesn't have the gameplay to sell the console. Munch comes closest to a good demo game, but I haven't seen the whole game in stores, only a short demo with no other characters on-screen.

      Microsoft's marketing crew needs to bite the big one and feature non-MS published games in stores and ads. JSRF and NFL2k2, for starters. And they still have RalliSport challenge to include on those new demo discs.

    4. Re:From a non-gamer... by stubear · · Score: 2

      Nope, I like the xbox gamepad too. I find the PS2 gamepad far too small for my hands and hey get sore after half an hour or playing. However, I notice that after a few hours of playing Halo my arms get a bit tired. Probably a good thing as it forces me to put down the gamepad and take a break for a while :)

      My pet peeve is everyone's obsession about the size of the xbox. Who cares? My xbox fits comfortably on a shelf next to the TV so does it matter that it is half again as big as the PS2? Not really. I even brought the xbox with me on a recent skiing trip and I found that it wasn't all that bulky to bring along and it made for great entertainment relaxing and watching DVDs after skiing all day. I'm sure many of you geeks have heard this before so get used to it, "size doesn't matter".

    5. Re:From a non-gamer... by damien_kane · · Score: 1

      These are the main reasons why Xbox doesn't have a very large market share. That and the fact that its games crash... I know a friend of mine who couldn't play a full game of NHL2k2 because of the crashes...

    6. Re:From a non-gamer... by Osty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is slightly OT, but am I the only person in the world who actually likes the controllers on the Xbox?

      Certainly not. There are many people that like the XBox controllers (after all, Microsoft did do usability testing on them). It's been my experience that the only people who complain about the controllers are those who have only plaid the demo units in stores. In otherwords, the controller was in a fixed position, probably too low to be comfortable, and at completely the wrong angle. To properly enjoy the XBox controller, you need to be sitting on a couch 7 or 8 feet away from the XBox, able to just relax and adjust your grip to the controller. Once you do that, you'll realize that the XBox controller is the most ergonomic and comfortable controller available for any console to date.


      As for the PS2, the controller is too small and, compared to the XBox, has too many corners and other "pointy" areas. Those controllers cramp my hands. The GameCube controller is pretty much a PS2 controller, except maybe a little larger (not enough -- it's still too small and crampy).

    7. Re:From a non-gamer... by Osty · · Score: 1

      All of these combined with the high price of the x-box, at least right after it came out (I can't really comment on it lately) really makes for a bad looking situation for Microsoft and their system. Granted, some of the games for it have quite a bit better graphics than what I've seen out of the Nintendo and Playstation camps, but nothing really extraordinary. Maybe if their packages were the same price as the Nintendo or Playstation ones the system would have taken off a bit better, but who knows.

      Let me give this disclaimer right up front -- I'm only referring to the US market. I happen to be from the US. I am not from Japan or Europe, so I really don't know much of what happens over there.


      That said, the XBox is the same price as the Playstation 2. $299USD. Yes, the GameCube is cheaper by $100, but it's not just cheaper than the XBox. It's also cheaper than the PS2.

    8. Re:From a non-gamer... by damien_kane · · Score: 1

      The PS2 also has DTS5.1, with optical audio out. I don't personally know if the xbox has optical, so I wont comment further on that. The games, however, do no support it yet. DVD playback does work @5.1

      Xbox does not support HDTV, it supports 480i, but not 1080i (HDTV standard)
      PS2 doesn't either, but it does support true 16:9 modes, and many games now support it also (gt3 and state of emergency come to mind)
      Gamecube is the only current console that does not support extended modes.

      And although the Gamecube has had a couple of hits (i do admint Halo looks nice, but I didn't like the gameplay, blood wake is boring, and DOA3 (as well as its predecessors on DC and PS1) is just another tekken clone, which is just another SF clone.
      GTA3 (which has sold more copies than Xbox has even sold consoles) annihilates Rally, GT3 is unequalled. FFX doesn't even have competition, as other current consoles dont have good RPGs yet. THPS3 I prefer on PSX to the Xbox version.
      As for GC (even though I am biased towards PS2 personally I can't leave it out of a console discussion) has a couple of good games too, PikMan and Smash Bros. Melee come to mind, and are amazing for game parties. When my friends and I get together for game party we'll get a PS2 and a GC running.

      As a result, your arguments, as I see them, are invalid.

      Although this is the truth I'll probably get flamed for it, but wait... I said I'd get flamed.. so noone will... schweet...

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    9. Re:From a non-gamer... by spectecjr · · Score: 2

      Xbox does not support HDTV, it supports 480i, but not 1080i (HDTV standard)

      Incorrect.

      Xbox supports 1080i.

      Simon

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    10. Re:From a non-gamer... by ethereal · · Score: 1

      I don't know what planet you're from, but games and consoles do crash. Mostly this is hardware related - for example, I originally bought a used PS rather than a PS1, and had all sorts of heat problems until I traded up. I've seen console games themselves crash or get hosed on occasion, too - especially when you consider the increased complexity of console games in the last few years, it stands to reason that it can't all be tested perfectly.

      I dunno about the other stuff you're saying, since I haven't really got an Xbox or researched it at all, but I will dispute the argument that games don't crash, because I've seen it happen. Now, not ever being able to complete a game sounds more like hardware problems, but it's still the end-user experience that this or that console and/or game sucks. Console users don't want any crashes at all.

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    11. Re:From a non-gamer... by spectecjr · · Score: 2

      Incorrect.

      Xbox does not support 1080i.


      Excuse me, Moron.

      I have an XBox. You, it would appear, do not.

      My video options are:

      Video Mode (Letter Box, etc)
      Enable 480p: On/Off
      Enable 720p: On/Off
      Enable 1080i: On/Off

      So don't tell me that the XBox doesn't support it when I can see it with my own eyes, Moron.

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    12. Re:From a non-gamer... by spectecjr · · Score: 2

      I assume it was you replying anonymously below.

      Incorrect.

      Xbox does not support 1080i.


      Excuse me, Moron.

      I have an XBox. You, it would appear, do not.

      My video options are:

      Video Mode (Letter Box, etc)
      Enable 480p: On/Off
      Enable 720p: On/Off
      Enable 1080i: On/Off

      So don't tell me that the XBox doesn't support it when I can see it with my own eyes, Moron.

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    13. Re:From a non-gamer... by Glonk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1. Compared to the Ninendo system and the playstation 2, the Xbox was _huge_, and ugly. I guess it really is just a PC stuffed into a black box. I was surprised at its size; bigger even than my old colecovision. This is progress?

      Indeed. The Xbox has built in hard drive and ethernet. The PS2 is larger when you add on the ($150) ethernet/HD addon, and it doesn't sit nearly as nice in a home theatre cabinet.

      2. The game controllers were uncomfortably large for my (adult, male) hands.
      Did you see the small controllers there? They're called Xbox Controller S, and they're the Japanese controllers, made for people who prefer smaller controllers (I love the default one, myself, though.)

      3. the graphics were good, and the games they were demoing were good, but not so much better than the other systems. And there weren't that many games available for it.
      Check this out:
      They probably didn't look too much better because of the setup. On an HDTV, with DD5.1 surround, there's a huge presentation difference.

      4. Compared to the playstation2, which game in an elegantly small package, had a ridiculously huge selection of games, and controllers that fit my hand, i could see no compelling benefits for buying the xbox. The nintendo system also looked interesting, because of the totally far-out games they were demoing (i'm not sure what is in the water at nintendo HQ... those people have fantastic imaginations.)
      Unfortunately that's too common a view. It's like people saying they don't understand why people buy a BMW over a Ford. Both get you where you need to go, one is nicer and comes with more stuff. :)

      The Xbox has built in ethernet. Historically, video game peripherals don't sell, save memory cards and controllers. Which means even though the PS2 is getting a HD/ethernet addon pack, it'll have a low adoption rate (not to mention the high price). Which means you won't get many true multiplayer games on it. Sony's online plan revolves around a GameSpy Arcade-type approach, where software will simply connect you p2p with another console, or the game developer makes their own dedicated server. MS' is more like the MSN Gaming Zone: They're spending TONS of money, and are employing more people than it took to develop the Xbox, to make Xbox Online a reality. There will be voice headsets that come and you hook into the back of the controller, complete with voice morphing, plus high-speed dedicated servers for online games, rather than p2p gaming (although you can do p2p gaming right now with GameSpy arcade on Xbox).

      Xbox is also far more appropriate for a home theatre set up. It supports HDTV resolutions, it supports in-game Dolby Digital 5.1 encoding on the fly, it's got longer controller cables (9.5 feet vs 6 feet), and it sits far nicer in a home theatre cabinet than PS2 or Gamecube.

      As for game selection: Just wait till E3. Not that the current game selection is bad, it's just that the PS2 had a 1.5 year head start. Look at the PS2's first year vs. the Xbox's. Xbox is off to a much better start...

      And with companies like Acclaim announcing they're developing more Xbox games next year than PS2 or Gamecube, expect even more soon.

    14. Re:From a non-gamer... by Glonk · · Score: 1

      And multiplayer gaming is great, but there is nothing that would indicate thus far that people would honestly prefer to play games across the Internet than against someone in the same room. For a true multiplayer experience, Nintendo leads the way, if only because of SSBM.

      Why can't you do both?
      There's not mutually exclusive.

      Imagine having you and 3 other friends on one team in Halo, playing in the same room, while having 4 of your friends elsewhere also playing in the same room.

      You could even use your voice headsets to taunt them as if they were in the same room. :)

      Or, even better, bring your Xbox over to his house and hook them together with standard crossover cables. LAN gaming! In the same room.

      Nintendo's dropping the ball on multiplayer. All they have is local multiplayer, 4 players, with a 56K/ethernet addon expected soon. But they haven't announced what they plan to do with it, while MS and Sony at least have planned for it and are set to launch them in the summer.

    15. Re:From a non-gamer... by JArneaud · · Score: 1

      The XBox does support digital audio with an optical out port on the Advanced AV pack. The pack also has S-Video but is missing the alternative coax digital audio out.

      Even though the PS2 has a digital audio out, at least as far as I have seen, most games still stick to stereo (or have limited 5.1 audio, like MGS2). All of the Xbox games that I've played so far have used 5.1 (or at least *output* 5.1 audio).

      Corrections? Additions? Comments? Be polite now...

    16. Re:From a non-gamer... by Phil+Wilkins · · Score: 1

      In america maybe, but in the other two thirds of the video game market, the X-Box is more expensive than the competition.

      It's not going to get much better either. That hard-drive is going to make it tricky to match the upcoming price cuts without MS taking a serious financial hit.

    17. Re:From a non-gamer... by Phil+Wilkins · · Score: 1

      ...and how much extra is that AV pack?

    18. Re:From a non-gamer... by billcopc · · Score: 1
      4. Compared to the playstation2, which game in an elegantly small package, had a ridiculously huge selection of games, and controllers that fit my hand, i could see no compelling benefits for buying the xbox. The nintendo system also looked interesting, because of the totally far-out games they were demoing (i'm not sure what is in the water at nintendo HQ... those people have fantastic imaginations.)

      Unfortunately that's too common a view. It's like people saying they don't understand why people buy a BMW over a Ford. Both get you where you need to go, one is nicer and comes with more stuff. :)


      Indeed, with the same money you can either get a BMW that will attract vandalism and key scratches and traffic jealousy, or you could buy a Ford and trick it out like a hotrod, impress chicks, stun the alpha males and become a local testosterone celebrity.

      But back to consoles : Nintendo usually puts out technologically inferior hardware, but more than makes up for it by signing and producing games that are expertly designed with their target market in mind. When the hardware isn't gee-whiz-bang, the coders won't spend all their time wrapping a weak game around what is nothing more than a technology demo, because 90% of the time that's what happens. Give a game developer limited resources and he'll make the most of them. Give the consumers a low-priced console with lots of family-oriented games, and you'll have a bunch of moms buying them for the kids.

      On the other end of the spectrum lies the PS2, which is generally seen as a 'pro' console, mainly because its titles are oriented at adults. Just looking at the box you can see they're going for a sleek, modern design. No cartoon heroes here.

      And then you've got the XBox, which seems to be stabbing in the dark. They're trying to push beyond the PS2 in terms of graphics but more importantly 'mood'. It's not even competing with Nintendo at all, market-wise. They don't have the Pokemon franchise, they don't have cute simple games, they don't have cute simple interfaces. I don't expect a child to understand a hard drive with 40gb's of saved games and miscellaneous data. I do expect him to understand a Gamecube memory card with a grid of pictures of the various games he plays.

      Personally, I have the PS2 and I like it just fine. The software selection suits my tastes quite well, plenty of fast action games and a few good RPGs. That's what the console excels at, and that's what I want, like a tricked-out Ford with a 429 Cobra Jet, rather than a fat assed BMW XBox built for rich old CEO-type pussies. Personality is everything.
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    19. Re:From a non-gamer... by damien_kane · · Score: 1

      Sorry, wrong guy... I never post anonymously...

      And potsing the same response twice is not only redundant and stupid, but a waste of bandwidth (albeit minute) of many people, including the /. servers.

      You're no better than the spammers and trolls everyone complains about... Ever thought of getting a plutonium enema?

  4. I am so happy.. by Perdo · · Score: 2

    the X box has had a poor showing... this was a gaming land grab by microsoft. All they would have to do is stop supporting Direct X on the desktop and they would own the entire PC gaming industry.. software AND hardware...

    That's potentially another 8 billion dollars in their pockets annually, and growing all the time. Let us hope X Box 2 meets the same fate. Think, the only decent Open GL programmer is Carmack, and he is launching rockets. That leaves the entire world of game developers in Direct X land...in microsoft's pocket. If they owned the hardware too, welcome to 100 dollar games and Apple priced X boxes as the only viable gaming platform. Crippled of course so you still need a real PC, also in Microsoft's pocket.

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    1. Re:I am so happy.. by Spoing · · Score: 2
      All they would have to do is stop supporting Direct X on the desktop and they would own the entire PC gaming industry.. software AND hardware...

      There are other gaming libraries available. If DirectX went away, it wouldn't matter one nit.

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  5. Well, what can I say? by shaunak · · Score: 1

    "I like that this article points out the risks that Microsoft took"

    Taking pleasure in the possible misfortune of someone/something else - I believe it's near sadism (?).
    Wow - never knew you had it in you.

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    1. Re:Well, what can I say? by d5w · · Score: 2
      Taking pleasure in the possible misfortune of someone/something else - I believe it's near sadism (?).
      Reasonably near. Schadenfreude is only a couple of pages away from sadism, depending on the dictionary.
  6. wanna know why the xbox sux overseas? by paradesign · · Score: 3, Interesting

    THERES NO ARCADE UNIT!

    Sony has a machine, Sega has several machines, Nintendo is working on one but needs one less so than M$ does.

    Japanese gamers live in the arcade, thas why the strange (to us) puzzle games go over so well over there, because there in the arcade. Who is going to buy a 300 dollar console without ever playing it before? I didnt buy my dreamcast until i played several hits in the arcade. (dc is still better than anyhting)

    M$ needs to realize that theyre not marketing to PCGAMER anymore. Halo is not a killer app, not by a long shot!

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    1. Re:wanna know why the xbox sux overseas? by Leynos · · Score: 1

      Sega is making an arcade system based on XBox. The first game to be running on it is OutRun 2. They have said that it will be their primary arcade hardware.

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    2. Re:wanna know why the xbox sux overseas? by Glonk · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ermm...I guess you didn't hear about Sega bringing the Xbox hardware to the arcades.

      IGN also has a writeup: http://xbox.ign.com/articles/099/099035p1.html

  7. Re:in case it gets /.'ed by rmohr02 · · Score: 1
    Mr. Blackley was a main character in an internal Microsoft insurgency that convinced Mr. Gates to spend an estimated $5 billion to $6 billion to enter the video game business.


    Isn't $5-$6 billion pocket change for Gates?
  8. actually 2 systems by GutBomb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    MS may be taking the risk on losing hardware because they know the software sales will be high. XBox games are basically just directx based games. Windows has directX also. someday soon I expect to find a way to trick an xbox game into thinking it is on an xbox, when it is really on a PC. of course the pc would probably have to have an nvidi video card but many already do. And i don't think MS would mind one bit about this, because the games are still selling, and they are not taking a loss on game sales.

    1. Re:actually 2 systems by EpsCylonB · · Score: 3, Funny

      Apparently the dvd drive in the xbox can spin both ways and xbox games are burnt and read in reverse order than normal dvd's.

      A very inventive way to try and stop games being pirated.

    2. Re:actually 2 systems by Matey-O · · Score: 5, Informative
      damn, i wish i could mod that up
      Why? It's incorrect. The OS for the XBOX boots' from the INSIDE LAYER on the RIM of the DVD, counter to normal DVD's being read with sector 0 bein on the OUTSIDE layer at the innermost track on the disc.

      MOD THAT UP. It's accurate.

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    3. Re:actually 2 systems by EpsCylonB · · Score: 1

      Ok guess I must of misunderstood when someone first mentioned it. Still it will be difficult to read a xbox dvd on a pc dvd drive won't it ?.

  9. Livin' Large @ MSFT by Knunov · · Score: 5, Funny

    "As they were leaving, they all piled into one elevator. Mr. Blackley was the last to come diving in. The elevator was already sinking...Once Mr. Blackley was inside, the elevator promptly fell four floors to the ground."

    The article fails to mention that there were only 5 people in the elevator.

    Drop the donuts and pick up some dumbells, fellas.

    Knunov

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    1. Re:Livin' Large @ MSFT by JazFresh · · Score: 3, Funny

      Another elevator story that Seamus probably doesn't want you to hear:

      At GDC (Games Developers Conference) in San Jose a few weeks back, a few Sony Europe and Sony Japan guys were in an elevator. Seamus is standing quietly at the back, out of sight. One of the Sony Europe guys introduces himself to each of the Sony Japan guys in stilted Japanese. Seamus, who can speak Japanese pretty well, smugly leans over and proceeds to do the same, in even _more_ authentic Japanese. He goes round each person, and even introduces himself in Japanese to the Sony Europe guys (pretty much shaming out the Sony Europe guy who was only a beginner in Japanese)

      He finally gets around to the last Sony Europe guy, and the guy, not knowing how to speak Japanese at all, replies with the only Japanese phrase he knows.

      Seamus: [Looking puzzled] "What does that mean?"

      The Japanese guys in the elevator are pissing themselves laughing.

      Sony Europe guy: "Do you want to fight, monkeystyle?"

      Seamus's smug face drops a mile, and he retreats into the back of the lift.

  10. Same three points every time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    :rolleyes

    1. I hate the x-box, it's sooo big! - Erm, I spend my time playing the games, not lovingly looking at the console

    2. I hate the x-box, it's got these frigging huge controllers. A - I think the controllers are GREAT. Well, you know what they say about the size of your hands. B- you guys aren't trying very hard, there are SEVERAL controllers out there that are ergonmically different that the one the ships with the box.

    3. The games suck. Well lessee, I've got 6 games (Rally Sport'll be the seventh.) and of those five (Halo, DOA3, Munch, SSX tricky, PGR and wreckless) only Wreckless sucks sack. Hmm, that's $350 worth of non sucking games. That's all the money I'd care to devote to THIS hobby.

    Personally, The xbox has been a GREAT excuse to not upgrade my system any more. Quake III may only be $50 or so, but Quake+ Motherboard+CPU+Geforce 3 MX Turbo makes for a REAL expensive habit. Especially since NOTHING ELSE I DO on the PC takes the system reasources that gaming does.

    1. Re:Same three points every time. by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

      I own an X box. that said...

      1) Ok, external appearance does matter, but I really don't see a problem with it. I wouldn't call it ugly, but admittedy they could have done more. Personally, I think part of the design was so that it would have to go on top of all your components (nothing will balance on top of the XBox). Kinda like the move to associate it's games with your DVD movie library. Notice the similarities? It's heavy. So? To me this isn't a real factor or a point against it. It's bascally basically a PC for cryin out loud. It has the AC adaptor inside as well. Of course it's heavier, but unless it's your grandmother or small child lifting it, what's the prob here?

      2) The controller. It could have been better. I would have liked bigger buttons personally. But it works, and unless you have no coordination whatsoever, I wouldn't consider it enough not to buy the system. But then, that's my opinion.

      3) "The games suck" First, you hear that about every console. You know why? Most of the time (unless you're a 3DO or Jaguar) it's because the system's new!!!. In the humble opinion of somebody who's played a good number of the titles, it's launch is nearly the same as everybody elses platform. It has it's good games, it has it's bad games and it has the "wow, that's pretty" games. I agree, games are limited. No F%@$@#$ duh.

      I was so close to buying a PS2 just because of the sheer number of games it already has for it (backwards compatible!). It's a good product. I won't/can't diss it. But I think the XBox has has a far brighter future and that's what I was willing to invest in.

      And if your saying "but it's microsoft!" in a high, whiney little voice, grow up. I know I'm surrounded by a bunch of Linux-gnomes and Microsoft isn't my favorite company either, but this is the console market. I don't think it's in any fear of MS domination unless your willing to admit it really is that good or does have that much potential. Heck, you should have been worried about Nintendo doing that.

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  11. MS--not your average corporation by fiendo · · Score: 1

    Was it really that big of a risk for Microsoft? When reading anything about MS, I try to keep in mind that we are *not* talking about your average run of the mill business here. This is a monopoly, right? So the usual rules don't apply.

    Even if it was a complete failure (unlikely) MS would be out what, a few billion? (that's over a few years too, so I'm sure the world's highest paid accountants could lessen the blow). Not quite a drop in the bucket, but still easy enough for MS to shrug off.

    Also I enjoyed the bit about what a "success" it was since Xbox didn't freeze in demonstration. For any other company, that would be a bare minumum, for MS, it's a success...

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    1. Re:MS--not your average corporation by rseuhs · · Score: 2
      Even if it was a complete failure (unlikely)

      What would hurt them much more than the billions bucks lost would be that people would no longer assume a failure of a MS-product unlikely.

      Microsoft would actually have to produce more than vapourware to convince people.

      Just look at all the .NET-hype.

    2. Re:MS--not your average corporation by crudeboy · · Score: 1
      Was it really that big of a risk for Microsoft? When reading anything about MS, I try to keep in mind that we are *not* talking about your average run of the mill business here. This is a monopoly, right? So the usual rules don't apply.

      Yes, they've been convicted for using their monopoly power to crush competition in the web-browser market, but I can't really see how this applies here, since the console market is wastly different and they don't really have any applicable powers other than money to use to wipe out the competition, as if wiping out Sony of the console market would be possible anyway...

    3. Re:MS--not your average corporation by fiendo · · Score: 1

      Being a monopoly in one market gives you the freedom to dabble in other markets. Other companies don't enjoy this luxury--when they go out on a limb to try to diversify, they don't have the cash cow of a monopoly to fall back on if the experiment goes all to hell.

      It's like trust fund kid playing the ponies with his spare cash. He's facing relatively the same odds as everybody else, but his *risk* is considerably less.

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  12. Read the fucking story is right... by Frank+of+Earth · · Score: 1

    ... but in times like this, I don't think you need to use an ethnic slur like that.

  13. xBox or just a new PC? by Frank+of+Earth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have been struggling on whether or not to buy the xBox. For the price, ~400 bucks with the games I want, I could just upgrade my current PC and then have access to play every kick ass game the market has to offer as well as a faster computer overall for doing other stuff like web browsing, etc. Computer hardware is so cheap these days, it might be a waste of money paying ~400 bucks for a console system dedicated to just playing video games.

    I do like the console idea because it keeps me out of the computer room and down in the living room with the rest of the living ;-)

    Maybe I'll just have work upgrade my T20 thinkpad to an A series with the builtin Geforce4 chip.. *drool* [which wouldn't cost me a dime ;-]

    1. Re:xBox or just a new PC? by Peyna · · Score: 2

      Yes, but you can't have a bunch of friends over and play multiple player games sitting on the couch in front of the TV drinking beer and eating pizza with a new pc. You can't pick it up and take it to your friend's house with the big screen tv and hook it up to it so easily either.

      4 people sharing a keyboard and mouse and monitor just doesn't work =]

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    2. Re:xBox or just a new PC? by Frank+of+Earth · · Score: 1

      Believe it or not, IE 5.5 on a P2-466 is SLOW! Obviously, you can browse the web on a 486, but I guess my point, which I didn't seem to make clear, is that a system upgrade would not only be for gaming, but for other tasks. Better examples would be image editing, checkbook application, scanning color images.. blah blah blah

      I mentioned web browsing because wifey gives me grief that the puter is too slow [must be that 5 year old hard drive hehe]

  14. Re:who the **** cares about japan ? by paradesign · · Score: 1
    ok, so i see that you still avadly support the Arati Jaguar. The last true american attempt at a home console. If your blood is red you did, but im betting that you didnt. im betting that you are just another post 911 americanism banwagoneer. time to have pride now that everyone else does.
    i will put my money where the better console package is, if its japanese, maybe the american companies(m$ is not the only one) need to grab them selves by the balls and give the japanese some competition.

    Microsoft is the one that cares about what the Japanese gamers think, or haven't you read that? American systems and companies? I seem to recall Atari being a key force in the crash of 83/84. And don't get me started on that dust collector they called the Jaguar. Microsoft doesn't give anyone enough credit as they've really only given gamers sports, racing, and the shit they call Halo.

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  15. Re:Glad to see it was American.. by paradesign · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's funny, working at a videogame store. When the Xboxes come rolling in, the packing boxes say made in Turkey, Mexico, etc. That's not America last I checked.

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  16. Very interesting... by nougatmachine · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This was a very well-written article, and I loved the way it portrayed all the insane work, struggle, and worry that goes into the creation of a game console. But at the same time, it reminded me why I've always been a Nintendo man.

    Pay careful attention to the part of the article where it describes the Xbox team versus the WebTV team vying for the support of Bill Gates, and notice the tactic which was used to convince Gates that Xbox was a worthwhile venture: "Bill, if we don't go forward with this, Sony will wipe out any hopes of a consumer presence," is the basic gist of it.

    Ah, Microsoft. Once again they demonstrate their ability to thrust themselves into a market based on paranoia. Xbox fans, take note: if not for Sony, there would be no Xbox. Hopefully my geekiness isn't getting too extravagant because I have a sense of smugness over having bought a Gamecube. I feel that way because Nintendo doesn't see the Gamecube as a trojan horse to take over my living room's connectivity.

    1. Re:Very interesting... by ryanvm · · Score: 2

      I feel that way because Nintendo doesn't see the Gamecube as a trojan horse to take over my living room's connectivity.

      That's because Nintendo thinks you are 11 years old. ;-)

  17. wow by waspleg · · Score: 1

    if that's the kind of shit it takes to be rich, beraking up w/ your g/f.. being underhanded and disgusting and getting married as a corporate publicity stunt (having already sold your soul to the redmond hive) then fuck that, i'll work at mcdonalds and keep my dignity ;P

    ** this is not a fucking troll

  18. Re:Remember the MSX? by Guppy06 · · Score: 2

    No, that's what Microsoft would want Japanese gamers to believe. In fact the manufacturers have never said what MSX stands for and and there are at least three other possible definitions of that acronym.

  19. No mention of Bungie? by thegrommit · · Score: 2

    Hmmn, lots of talk about buying Square, Sega etc. But no mention of MS purchasing the company that developed the "alien shooter with the compelling story".

    Typical puff-piece. Lots of breathless "insider" moments, but short on substance.

  20. Another non-gamer's opinion by haggar · · Score: 1

    I think I agree with what you said. I went into a store that featured the X-box, and I concluded that yes, the graphics are better but not that better, the box is big'n'bulky and at least here in Europe, too expensive.

    The fact that I can't watch DVDs without dashing out more dough for the remote, and the news of scratched DVDs in Japan didn't make it look any better.

    As for games, remember, I am NOT a gamer, but the few games I think I would enjoy playing are Spyro, Eco (or was it Ico? You know, the dolphin thingy) Final fantasy and Mario Kart. None of these runs on the X-box. But from what I have seen, I can find similar games on the Playstation 2, to the ones that exist on the X-box.

    In the end, I didn't and won't buy any console. Well, perhaps when the Playstation 2 becomes cheaper I'll go for it, I really like that Spyro dragon.

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    1. Re:Another non-gamer's opinion by haggar · · Score: 1

      Hey man, take it easy. I said I am not a gamer, didn't I? Which means, I didn't play those games, just saw them. OK, I played Spyro, but not when I was a kid, just a few months ago, but that's it.

      In this light I think your argument misses the mark, in my case. It might be true with other people, I don't know.

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    2. Re:Another non-gamer's opinion by Glonk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The fact that I can't watch DVDs without dashing out more dough for the remote, and the news of scratched DVDs in Japan didn't make it look any better.

      It was a tradeoff. The DVD Consortium charges something like $20 on all DVD playback devices. MS didn't have to pay that if they made the DVD playback optional, as an addon, which is why the Playback kit is $25.

      It's still a better deal than the PS2. For the PS2 you need memory cards to play. Usually multiple memory cards too. 8MB, something like $20 each. Ripoff.

      If you want to use any more than 2 controllers with the PS2, you must spend even more money (I think it's $30) on multi-tap to get 4 controller jacks.

      If you want a HD and ethernet, you gotta wait a bit then pay $150 for the addon (which makes the box bigger and bulkier than the Xbox).

      Sony knows how to milk people for money. And the sad thing is it still works, simply because they convinced everyone the PS2 was the best thing since sliced bread on its launch and it now has a huge install base. Sony's smart like that, which is why they'll be around for a while.

    3. Re:Another non-gamer's opinion by Phil+Wilkins · · Score: 1

      Actually the PS2 hard drive slides into a bay, and the ethernet / modem adapter only adds half an inch of depth at the back.

      ...and why do you need a hard drive anyway? Is there an x-box killer app that makes the hard drive essential?

    4. Re:Another non-gamer's opinion by billcopc · · Score: 1

      simply because they convinced everyone the PS2 was the best thing since sliced bread

      Well buddy, I hate to crash on your party, but it IS the greatest thing since sliced bread. It plays DVD's just fine for my non-discerning eyes, it's got great games that play well and look good, and the support for legacy PS1 hardware and software can't be ignored.

      Sure, Sony is inclined to sell gadgets and make more money, but that's fine with me because I can elect to not buy those gadgets. The 8mb memory cards have plenty space, much better than the old PS1's 15-slot limit. I've actually backed up my 9 PS1 memory cards on one 8mb card, have about 20 different PS2 game saves, a 2mb dvd player upgrade file and still have about 3.5mb left. I've had this one card for a year and there's still plenty room. 30$ for 8mb sounds like a ripoff to us PC users, but for most people just one card is all they will ever need.

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    5. Re:Another non-gamer's opinion by haggar · · Score: 1

      ummm.. I just checked. Together with the memory card, the PS2 is STILL cheaper than the Xbox! Yes sir, and I can chose not to buy the memory card if I don't want to.I'm sure I can enjoy the PS2 for a while even without that.

      You don'thave to be hellbent on convincing me that the Xbox is so much better than the PS2, because it's not worth it, I may not buy anything. But I like DVDs and the PS2 plays them, and there are even some hacks to make the PS2 multiregion. And there are a few games I like, for the playstation/PS2, which is not the case with the Xbox. I certainly will not spend time on online games, so the ethernet port discussion is completely pointless, and if I can't fill in the memory sotrage of the PS2, how on Earth will I ever need a hard drive? Actually, I prefere solid-state technology in my entertainment system.

      Another plus for the PS2 is that I can put it vertically, which would fit perfectly next to the TV set. I have no spare room available in the entertainment tower system, so this is a nice touch : )

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  21. The Cult(ure) of Xbox by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Aha... the article sheds a little light.

    As much as I dislike MS in general, I had hope for the Xbox. The pieces seemed to be in place for the Mac of Consoles; Seamus' renegade tactics, the corporate culture necessary for a trancendental product like this.

    What bugs me is, if I may use a tired phrase, lack of vision.

    It's all fine and good for Mr. Blackley to run around spouting how video games should be 'art'. I agree. He doesn't back it up. And Microsoft is not conducive to art; it is conducive, custom-engineered, for commerce. Case in point: In a meeting with the Xbox team a few weeks after the May 5 pitch, Mr. Ballmer started out bowling them over with one of his infamous monologues. He boomed, "The Xbox is the greatest fucking thing in the world! It's going to make billions! It's the greatest thing ever!"

    Mr. Ballmer then hammered the team on its naÔve business model, but he offered a lot of encouragement in his own fashion. Once, when they were standing in line at the company cafeteria, Mr. Ballmer sneaked up behind them and bellowed, "It's the Xbox guys!"

    "I almost peed in my pants," Mr. Blackley says. He looked over at Mr. Bachus, whose face went white, like someone who had just been caught in a crime. Mr. Blackley adds, "But at the same time, it was so motivating that he was showing everyone else there exactly who we were." As Mr. Ballmer moved closer, he joked more quietly, "Are you making any money yet?"

    Why is it the greatest fucking thing ever? Because it might be the greatest money-maker ever? There's no talk of what makes it great, other than the cushy developer tools. Which are fine, until your programmers do an end-run around your nicely doc'd methods to squeeze an extra frame or two/second out.

    Sony understands this. The PS2 is difficult. The PS2 is flexible. It does not have MS-USB ports; it knows how to make a controller.

    I read an interview during all the fracas over Halo & Bungie from a guy at Access Software (remember them? Links golf?)... they were also bought by MS. He described a situation where the best and brightest were basically picked apart from the inside, after being acquired. The Red Herring article also points out that there are no original team members left outside of Seamus.

    No, you won't get 'art' from these guys. Art doesn't make as much money as entertainment.

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    1. Re:The Cult(ure) of Xbox by J23SE · · Score: 1

      You're being overly analytical with regards to Ballmer's comments. Ballmer is far from a walled up shy businessperson, and he would have no reservations about trying some light humor. The fact that his monologues are 'infamous' backs that up; he was probably kidding around with the comment about Xbox's greatness, perhaps playing on the constant hype Seamus and Co. tried to throw around.

    2. Re:The Cult(ure) of Xbox by kubrick · · Score: 2

      Mr. Ballmer ... boomed "The Xbox is the greatest fucking thing in the world! It's going to make billions! It's the greatest thing ever!"

      Yet more evidence of the deep business intuition and remarkable insight into the human condition that has made Steve Ballmer the CEO of Microsoft.

      Repeat after me: Developers, developers, develepors, developers....

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    3. Re:The Cult(ure) of Xbox by Phil+Wilkins · · Score: 1

      The PS2 does have USB ports. Two of them, on the front panel, right next to the firewire port.

      ...and the xbox isn't the mac of consoles, it's the muscle car in a rice-rocket race.

    4. Re:The Cult(ure) of Xbox by Alsee · · Score: 2

      "The Xbox is the greatest fucking thing in the world! It's going to make billions! It's the greatest thing ever!"

      It's insanely great!

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  22. The thing that peeved me about the XBOX by heideggier · · Score: 1
    Was the it was a generally good idea.

    Fundamentally just to sell a cut down PC for the lounge room. This is what I thought it was going to be, but then I saw it in the store, and found that it was just another console, just more expensive, with fewer games, and a really bad controller. It seems that M$ simply ignored their punters (the kind of people who buy PC's) and went ahead doing what everyone else was doing in the marketplace, all I or anyone who were likly to buy a XBOX wanted was a simple lounge room PC. If M$ had taken this root then they would be in a much better position today, IMHO.

    For a start, M$ would not have had to sell the thing at a lost, and since they own the OS, they could have maintained a reasonable price point. Also they would not have had to spend time buying up developers like bungie since all the games which work on PC would have worked on the XBOX, and lastly they would not have had to have spent millions (more like billions) hyping the thing up just to sell a few units. The only problem would be that they would have pissed off makers like dell or gateway, but seriously where are they going to go (if you say linux I'll shoot you).

    I honestly think that if the Xbox had been your standard windows box then the thing would be a success now, the mistake was just trying to create a Playstation with computer hardware. Seriously, This is marketing 101, If you go into a market with an established player, you don't create a "exact" copy of what that guy is doing, you create something different, unless expect to compete on price, which the XBOX never could

    Ofcourse, this idea of a lounge room pc, is probally what the XBOX2 (the homestation) will become but by then sony may already have a foot hold in that market and, if that happens, it will have been too late. This must be a good thing, knowing how M$ would act if they had a monopoly on the lounge room, However Sony are not that much better - but at least they got there by making kewl stuff.

    Ofcourse, if the idea of buying a "proper" console appeals to you, and not some bloated mess designed to plug you into M$/Sony TV then, do what I did, and just get a gamecube (rocks by the way).

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  23. Microsoft took risks? Oh, common now... by Mulletproof · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Lets all face the facts here. Microsoft doesn't take risks. Yeah, they make stupid desisions sometimes (some would say all the time),but really.

    The only reson I even considered buying an X-Box is because of Microsoft itself. Not only do they have gobs and gobs of money to buy 3rd parties hardware, etc., but they also have this unnerving habit of either buying out or crushing the competition. Even if the console sucked balls at first, I'm willing to bet that MS would do anything it takes to keep that foothold in the living room. Anything. Fact is, whether you like them or not, they make stuff work... Forcibly if nessisary. Given the capital they had to work with and the mentality they had with their past projects, I can hardly see any notable risk involved on their part. I'm sure Blackley was under pressure to make it work, but I'm also sure they researched the gaming market, profit and loss potentials and competition before getting involved. Risk? No a lot of it when you know most of the variables and have wads of cash to throw at them (again, cash = good talent, advertising, hardware contrary to popular gamer belief)

    I'm a gamer. Microsoft isn't my favorite company in the whole wide world. But when I considered whether to buy a PS2 or and XBox, I had to figure in MS's track record. It may suck now (in your opinion; I happen to like Halo, Gotham, Rally and JSRF) but like the artical said- This is a battle over your livingroom and I think they will do whatever it takes to secure that holy grail. And that is good for gamers everywhere.

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    1. Re:Microsoft took risks? Oh, common now... by Tofuhead · · Score: 2

      I don't mean any disrespect against you, but it's hard to determine whether you're serious.

      I'm a gamer too. I have nothing but loathing for MS's business practices, and few of their products ever appeal to me (although my list of exceptions is reasonably sane). However, my bet is on Sony to win the race, with Nintendo pulling the most profits from a respectable second place. From what I can tell your argument boils down to this: MS will counter the incredible software and hardware developers, creative minds, and popular franchises of Nintendo and the excellent software lineup of Sony's PS1/PS2 by throwing $LARGE at the xbox, because they want to control the view from your sofa and have enough money to do it.

      Let's extrapolate this reasoning and apply it to other markets where MS competes:

      - Throw away your Macs and Suns, and delete your Linux partitions, because MS has enough money to make Windows exactly what you need. (proof negative: the devolution of W2K into the bloated/resource-intensive WXP)

      - Junk your Pilots, Visors, and Clies away, because MS has the resources to make Pocket PCs the perfect alternative to anything made by lesser PDA producers.

      - Recycle your IBM keyboards, Logitech mouses, and Gravis gamepads, MS hardware is funded by the most successful software company in history.

      - Uninstall WordPerfect and StarOffice, MS Office has been designed to take advantage of Windows to the fullest by the world's #1 software developers, makers of the Windows OS itself.

      Sorry, I know that list is tedious, but the sarcasm is meant only in jest. But it's important to notice that MS's strongarming tactics really only involve use of their size and financial savvy as leverage against quality and innovation. In the conolse industry, such a strategy involves forcing gamers to ignore the games themselves, of which there the numbers and quality fall heavily in Sony's favor, with Nintendo's games guaranteed to rock the boat the way only Nintendo can (Two words: Ocarina, 1998).

      < tofuhead >

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  24. Re:Well, it's sucking in Japan by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

    Well, no shit it's sucking in Japan. It's been the home of videogameing for the last 20-odd years. Not exactly friendly territory. Go find out how well Ford does in Japan compared to Toyota. Oh yeah... Did anybody mention it's new while the PS2 and DC have had time to build up a consumer base? Could those two items have anything to do with sales? Nah....

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  25. Nah... by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

    Not blacklisted.. Heck, I was heavily considering buying one. Got an Xbox though got Christmas ^__^ The only problem is lack of titles, but that's any new machine.

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    1. Re:Nah... by byran+lei · · Score: 1

      >by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13, @01:50PM (#3335347)
      >word, but check out what is comming out soon.. Mechwarrior Assualt
      >w00t!!!
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      So what? PS2 has Armored Core 3. MechWarrior Sucks and has sucked for a very,very long time.

  26. Sony by Openadvocate · · Score: 1

    Look at Sony when they came with the first Playstation. At the time, a lot of people was unsure if they could get into that market. The graphics were at the time excellent and before 3D pc cards was something that was expected in every new PC. I even got myself one and enjoyed playing it. But after a while games started supporting the 3Dfx cards etc. I slowly stopped playing on the Playstation although Gran Turismo did breathe some extra life in to it. But I ended up selling it after some time. Today, fancy graphics is not enough to cut it. We need features that can compete with the PC's. It a different maket than on the PC, but still I can see that people would want a proper internet connection and the joys of playing online should not be underestimated. I think that they should really focus on getting the box on the internet and getting some multiplayer games up and running. The ethernet port is a very good thing but it should not be limited to that. A serial/usb connection to a external that would allow you to connect using a modem/ISDN using PPP would be great. Get it on the net for real and their advantage would raise a great deal.

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  27. Risks? by PRickard · · Score: 2

    I like that this article points out the risks that Microsoft took...

    That is precisely why I disregarded the article. Microsoft could give every person in America two XBoxes and still have enough money left in the bank to buy out most of its competitors in the operating systems market. It's not a risk whatsoever - it's an attempt to murder Nintendo and Sony.

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    1. Re:Risks? by Hassman · · Score: 1

      A risk? Of course it is. This is the business world genius. They want a piece of the gaming market too. Same reason why Fox Studios tried to break into the animation movie industry with Titan A.E. That was a risk and it didn't pan out. That division of Fox Studios no longer exists.

      Companies constantly do this all the time. That is why companies grow and competition starts / exists.

      Just because Microsoft has enough money to give everyone in america two XBoxes and blah blah blah means nothing. You bash microsoft but forget about sony? Sony has their fingers in everything. EVERYTHING! games, tvs, cd players, cd roms, monitors, ... the list goes on quite far. Microsoft on the other hand traditionally has a limited market that they are just now branching out of. Don't forget sony has cash comming out of their ears too!

      Just because MS is rich and make a "crappy OS" as so many /.'ers have said doesn't mean its a crappy company. By business standards Microsoft is a perfect example of the American Dream.

      So to get back to what my point was. Any time a corp. tries to branch out into a new area it most definatly IS a risk no matter how much money you have. The money they threw at this is quite an investment and contrary to what you believe, will make a difference on their quarterly reports ... and that is something shareholds care about.

      So is it a risk? You bet it is.

      I'll probably get flamed for saying this, but its the truth. You /.'ers need to realise that corps don't make products to give people warm fuzzy feelings inside. They do it to maximize sharholder wealth, and that means making as much money as possible.

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    2. Re:Risks? by efgbr · · Score: 1

      Not so fast, there.

      First of all, what's with the "You /.'ers"? What about you? Did you just hit this page by accident?

      Anyway, the reason many people dislike Microsoft is not because they make crappy products, it's because of their illegal tactics. They're a monopoly. That's what Microsoft's whole business is built on. And that is so NOT the American dream.

      Sony on the other hand has not just lost a legal battle, so talking about them is no the issue here. I just wonder why your pro-Microsoft arguments aren't valid for Sony.

    3. Re:Risks? by Hassman · · Score: 1

      You /.'er means just that. 95% of the people who read this page jumps for joy and loses control of their blatter when something bad happens to MS. Just cuz I read this site doesn't make me a /.'er. I live in Chicago and do "touristy" stuff but that doesn't make me a tourist.

      The (overly simplified) American dream is to rise up against odds and triumph over obstacles to make a difference (and money). Last time I checked MS did that. Quite well too.

      Illegal tactics are up for debate. It depends on how Lazze Faire (i'm sure i spelled that wrong) your belief systems are. Any company would have done the same exact thing MS did in their place...and have. Why do you think we had all those "baby bells". And last time I checked Sony had similar issues a while back...All big successful companies do. Unfortunatly it is the curse of success. You do too well, people get pissed of and other corps get angry for whatever reason you want to name and knock them down a peg or two. After all, we have to put food on all our lawyers plates right?

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    4. Re:Risks? by efgbr · · Score: 1

      Its not open for debate. Microsoft has been judged and convicted as a monopoly. Thats illegal in America, thats NOT the American dream.

      There are two ways of doing business: the legal and the illegal way. Microsoft has chosen the second so I dont like this company.

      btw, dont deny that youre a slashdotter. Look at the number of posts you have in this site. From the tourist example you mentioned, I can look up in the dictionary to check that youre right. But whats your definition of a /.er, anyway?

    5. Re:Risks? by Hassman · · Score: 1

      (sigh) this is going no where. we can bicker back and forth all night and day if you like, but nothing will happen.

      my definition of a /.'er is a broad generalization of the people here. Code crazy, linux hungry, technology geeks. Not saying i'm not, but definatly not as much as most.

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  28. Re:Microsoft vieing games as art? HAHAHAHAHA! by BitwizeGHC · · Score: 2

    While I agree with you about Microsoft's "games as art" bit of marketing spin (it's a bit like Romero crowing "Design is law!" and then shitting out Daikatana), producing a truly artistic game is platform-agnostic, and Nintendo is perhaps the company that wins overall when it comes to bringing the art nature to gaming.

    I think we'll all eventually forget about Grand Theft Auto 3, but Mario and Zelda are forever.

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  29. What an inspiring story for slashdot! [NOT] by occam · · Score: 1

    Wow! A story about a game magazine editor reborn as a game developer failure re-reborn to break into the gaming console market with a budget of a mere $5-6b. Result: mixed success --- yowza.

    It's hard for me to be inspired by a venture which is basically insanely well funded, still has deep pockets, and takes advantage of monopoly power and positioning (MS) to make the venture a success, and then meets with mixed success.

    Truth be told, they may well have done a good job under some extremely competitive conditions (Sony, Nintendo, etc.), but the Red Herring story just seems so misguided and manipulative. It's a personal piece trying to make this guy out as risk-taker (with $5-6b and MS backing) and who learned from his failed game experience. The marriage proposal at ToysRUs just makes the whole artificially romanticized story that much more saccharine sweet and distasteful.

    I sincerely wish Seamus all the best on his marriage and ventures, but the story strikes me as forced, sleazy journalism.

    Gross me out.

    (So much for Seamus's 15 minutes.)

  30. Re:And that's just it... by BitwizeGHC · · Score: 1

    But, like the Dreamcast, it will die a slow death from lackluster titles. (Soul Calibur wasnt enough to carry a console, sorry.)

    I said before, I'll say it again: Lackluster titles are what CARRY a console in the marketplace. The gaming platform with the most shovelware invariably wins. Look at NES, SNES and Genesis, PlayStation. They won because they had a good selection of killer games, plus "a library of a zillion titles" which sucked but which could be picked up from a bargain bin and stuffed into stockings.

    The Dreamcast probably lost because of its low number of games, a great many of which were solid titles. And because unlike Sony, Sega didn't run around screaming, "OUR CONSOLE WILL PHYSICALLY KICK YOUR ASS WITH ITS L33T POLYGON-RENDERING SK1LLZ."

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  31. MS domiation of the Console by Mulletproof · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ok, it's getting so I can't stand this anymore. I can only hear people whining about their phobea of Microsoft dominating the console market AND how the XBox sucks in the same sentance for so long.

    For said domination to occur, your competition either needs to be non-existant, disorganized, doesn't have capital, fields an inferior product, or you're plain smarter. Microsoft was more than just lucky taking the PC market because at least one or more of these came into play.

    So which one of these are you willing to admit to for the console industry? Sony and Nintendo exist as established competition, they are organized, have capital, field good products and have experience in the market. Which one of these are you saying MS is so much better at?

    None of them!? That can't be...! You must be paranoid for some reason! I realize this is flame bate, espicailly here on Slashdot, but come on, it's getting pathetic. Either admit one of these or quit whining about MS and console domination. Fact is that Sony and Nintendo would love to do the exact same thing, and complete domination by any one party isn't a good thing, regardless of how much you hate MS.

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  32. Why they will fail: by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 1


    the Xbox team wanted to deliver a machine for the most enthusiastic gamers who don't really care how much they have to pay.

    That attitude is what gets you into the position that Apple is in now, and it forgets the lessons of VHS vs. Beta, and Microsoft vs. Apple: good enough wins marketshare, while producing quality dooms you to a niche market.

    Quality might prove successful in the production of some things, eg cars, but where one's success depends on the production of third parties, and those third parties are rewarded by the popularity of the underlying platform, ubiquity is better than quality. If Mercedes required a non-standard gas to operate, would people buy them, regardless of their quality? Look to the acceptance of alternative fuel vehicles for your answer.

    Since PCs depended on software developers, ubiquity in the marketplace, and the subsequent larger rewards for developers, is largely responsible for Windows 95% marketshare. And the availability of PS2 games is the reason people buy Playstations rather than the X-Box--the quality is irrelevant if you don't have anything to run on it.

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    1. Re:Why they will fail: by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

      I'll agree that the PS2 has a big edge on them, simply because of their massively library. I almost bought one for the same reason. They have tons of good games and decent hardware. Even this X-Box owner will admit that.

      But everything about consoles, no matter who makes them, is non-standard. It's VHS vs. Betamax all day long when it comes to competing platforms. So much so it's not an issue. It's not even about quality. And what's this about "the Xbox team wanted to deliver a machine for the most enthusiastic gamers who don't really care how much they have to pay"... Oh, you mean like the Nintendo which is similarly priced? Or the PS2 when it first came out? Again, these aren't issues. Did I mention wads of cash MS has that can buy quality games/3rd parties?

      Fail? No. Even if you disagree with all of the above, you can't disagree with the fact that MS wants your living room and will stop at nothing to have a piece of it. They didn't jump blindly into the market, ignoring gamer statistics or what sells and doesn't. They know they won't be profiting off the box until a later date. If you think they didn't do the research, then you're a fool. They know exactly what they are getting into. MS didn't become a multi-billion dollar company for being careless or ignoring the facts. Plainly put, the Xbox is MS's foot in the door and it will do anything to keep it there. If they can't make it better, they'll hire the expertise that will so people will buy it. Money does a lot of things like that.

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  33. Seamus Blackley, the man behind Trespasser by Animats · · Score: 2
    The article mentions Trespasser, the Jurassic Park game. Blackley was in charge of that project, which was a heavily-funded 3-year effort at Dreamworks Interactive, the game division of Steven Speilberg's studio.

    It was a disaster. The physics (which Blackley tried to write personally) didn't work, the inverse kinematics was flakey, the gameplay was terrible, and the AI was a dud. And that's according to one of the developers. Reviews were harsh. ("Trespasser is a frustrating game, filled with boring gameplay and annoying bugs.") Sales were poor.

    After that debacle, it's not surprising that the XBox contains nothing at all technically risky. The XBox is an Pentium 3 PC with 64MB, an NVidia GeForce 2, a stripped-down Windows 2000, and manufactured by Flextronics. No risk there.

    1. Re:Seamus Blackley, the man behind Trespasser by Animats · · Score: 2

      Minor correction: the XBox uses a GeForce 3 part.

    2. Re:Seamus Blackley, the man behind Trespasser by Osty · · Score: 1

      Double minor correction: the XBox uses a modified GeForce3 part, with an extra set of pixel and vertex shaders, and the ability to use UMA rather than have dedicated video RAM.

    3. Re:Seamus Blackley, the man behind Trespasser by Random+Man · · Score: 1

      For those of you too young to remember Trespasser: The Crate-Stacking Puzzle Game, check out the following links:

      Trespasser Hype Review

      Trespasser's Start-to-Crate Rating

  34. Re:who the **** cares about japan ? by ksheff · · Score: 1

    Wow. I didn't know nearly half the population of the US is in NYC. It would have to be to out number the 126 million people that live in Japan. No wonder the rent is so high.

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  35. Don't know about you, but i like my Xbox. by cybrthng · · Score: 1, Troll

    First of all, People complain the Xbox is just rehashed versions of games you already have on your PS2. Well, i don't have a PS2, so it isn't a rehashed game and secondly, 99% of your PS2 games are rewrites of PSX games. Not much is new for PS2.

    My xbox has tons of hours of play from Halo to Project Gotham and several different people running through oddword begining to end.

    I don't have many games, but come on, it isn't about the amount of games you own, but the quality of games you own.

    The Xbox is here to stay, and selling really well. I already have like almost a 100 titles to choose from and the sucker hasn't even been out a year. The Games have been INCREDIBLE for FIRST generation and *NOTHING* is standing in the way of the xbox.

    Incase you didn't know the average Xbox owner is 25 to 36 years old. This croud is a technology oriented and often wealthy crowed. The Xbox has enjoyed a NEVER before seen selling of 3.2 games per console and well, nothing has repeated that yet. The PS2 is for the 18 to 22 year old croud and the nintendo cube thing is any age really.

    Sure the PS2 sells alot, but there isn't a single game i havn't already played on another console that i liked on the PS2. For all those people saying "Halo will be on the PC" but so is Tony Hawk, so is your highly rated GTA3.

    I bet it will be another story come this october when the xbox has been around for a year, sold 5 million units and launches the online gaming network. From racing to Unreal Championshop the PS2 nor Gamecube have anything BUILT IN to compete. The "peripheral" network has never taken off for *ANY* console so i don't see the PS2's ability to use external devices as any means to compete against the Xbox's built in broadband support.

    Yes, the PS2 has a lerge library of decent games and has some great titles you can't get anywhere else, but so does the xbox.

    And i'm sorry, if your pushing graphics, gameplay, connectivity and peripheral support the xbox winds hands down.

    Remember todays games are only pushing today's tvs. The xbox will be able to push graphics beyond what anyone can imagine when it comes to 1080 and 760 hdtv.

    1. Re:Don't know about you, but i like my Xbox. by ethereal · · Score: 1

      This crowed is apparently not a spelling-oriented croud, though (although points for trying every possible incorrect spelling :). Which is sad, considering that they're supposed to be old enough to be out of high school and even college at the ripe old age of 25-36. Oh wait, I forgot - "technology oriented" is code for "can't spell worth a damn". CmdrTaco, for instance, is "technology oriented". Articles about gaming seem to bring out the "technology oriented".

      - ethereal, likes games as well as the next guy, but has just decided that he doesn't want to be known as "technology oriented".

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  36. *yawn* by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

    Ok, I'm tired of being the X-box martyer ;) Somebody else can convince the ignorant and unwashed masses that MS knows what it's doing ^__^

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  37. Giant robots kick ass. by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

    OMG... I saw that... Soooo tasty!

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  38. Re:Bill Gates: Matchmaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Too bad it was all staged. He is lucky that he was with Gates for this stunt. If Balmer had been around, he would have probably shouted "So, your fuckin' this asshole?"

  39. Word. by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

    Preach it brotha!

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  40. Re:who the **** cares about japan ? by moongha · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Perhaps if America made some decent console games americans would buy them.

    Metal Gear Solid 1 & 2
    Gran Turismo 1,2 & 3
    ISS Pro Evolution 1 & 2
    Silent Hill 1 & 2
    Final Fantasy

    All the major franchises are Japanese. Face it - the Japanese are better at writing games than Americans. Just be thankful that they don't give a toss about PC gaming because they'd probably be better at that as well if they tried (Mr Carmack & Valve excepted).

  41. Brings jobs to the us? naah... by AltaMannen · · Score: 1

    The PS2 is what really brings jobs to the u.s. first of all all the retail jobs made possible from the strong sales, then all the game development jobs in the u.s.! what the xbox people has managed to do is simply pay flextronics to manufacture the console abroad, pay japanese companies 4x the cost of development to ensure temporary exclusivity of their games and utterly failed to impress the publishers to take a risk on games for the xbox hardware. What the xbox has done is to make more people buy videogame consoles, but they are choosing ps2 because they like the games better so they are really creating more NON-u.s. jobs. Oh, and I don't think the xbox is bad or the games are bad, I just think people like to have a choice when it comes to games they can play. Microsoft has apparently decided that we only need 30 games to choose from each 6 months. Wake up and smell the effects of a monopoly.

    1. Re:Brings jobs to the us? naah... by Frank+of+Earth · · Score: 1

      Laf, this post was so stupid it cheered me up! Thanks for you oblivious comments!

      Creating more non-us jobs.. LOL!

  42. Gamers care about Japan by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

    Even this XBox gamer knows that Japan is where 90% of the good console games come from. Gaming isn't a sub-culture there; It's a lifestyle. It's been the capital of gaming for 20-odd years. To say they aren't important would be an understatment of the highest order.

    The sad fact is that until it becomes an accepted culture here in the US, any help we can get in the Japanese arena would be highly benefical. Ignoring japan as a market and source for games would be suicide since the US doesn't have a devoted following like they do. If we did, then we could say "screw japan". It still wouldn't be a good idea, but native consoles could at least survive.

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  43. Re:Bill Gates: Matchmaker by ethereal · · Score: 1

    It could have been worse:

    Ballmer: Develop Her! Develop Her! Develop Her! Develop Her!

    Frankly, I wouldn't introduce my significant other to any of those freaks, but I suppose billions of dollars does kind of tend to have a reality-distortion-field effect.

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  44. Cynicism: To Try or Not to Try by cooldev · · Score: 1, Redundant

    About a year ago I was at a restaurant with a group of friends, and one of them had an XBox jacket. The waiter who served us started pontificating about how the XBox was going to be a failure...

    The main difference between the XBox developers and the people dissing it is that at least the XBox devs are fucking trying: trying to build a great product, trying to enter a highly competitive market where previous wins are irrelevant (Windows, Office). The same goes for the Pocket PC, MSN, SQL Server -- and Linux, RedHat, Lindows, KDE, MySQL, Java, etc.

    I have enormous respect for those people and companies who get off their asses and actually try to produce something. Usually they will fail; the majority of projects (and small businesses) inevitably do. But to have tried is the main thing. It's so much easier to be an armchair cynic, but the cynic is the real loser.

    1. Re:Cynicism: To Try or Not to Try by byran+lei · · Score: 1

      >About a year ago I was at a restaurant with a group of friends, and
      >one of them had an XBox jacket. The waiter who served us started
      >pontificating about how the XBox was going to be a failure...
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      Should've listened. Unlike you and friends,the waiter actually knew something about the console game market and how it actually works.

    2. Re:Cynicism: To Try or Not to Try by cooldev · · Score: 1

      Case in point.

  45. Re:Well, it's sucking in Japan by propellerz21 · · Score: 1

    The Japanese generally don't like American companies invading their turf. We already knew it wasn't going to do too well in Japan. The Xbox is a superior console than the PS2. That's clearly viewed when PS2 ports run better on the Xbox than the way they were originally created for PS2.

  46. Re:in case it gets /.'ed by crudeboy · · Score: 1
    Nice & considerate to post a copy of the story, but doesn't that kind of violate Red Herrings copyright?

    Wouldn't want to see /. haunted by evil lawyers...

  47. Re:in case it gets /.'ed by toopc · · Score: 1
    How is $5-6 billion pocket change? He is currently only worth about 40 billion. Thats a large chunk of their money right there.

    He's worth about $48 billion actually. $36 billion being in MSFT, the rest in other investments.

    $5-6 billion isn't pocket change, but he certainly could spend it should he choose to. Aside from possibly losing the "Word's Richest Man" title, his life wouldn't change in any meaningful way. Unless you make a habit of buying office buildings or football stadiums, you'd be hard pressed to spend $1 billion in a single lifetime, much less $40 billion.

    Besides, it's not Bill Gates' personal money that Blackley convinced Gates to spend on the Xbox anyway. The money being spent on the Xbox is Microsoft's (the corporation) money. Bill Gates' personal wealth really doesn't enter into this, excpet for how that the sucess or failure of the Xbox might affect the price of all that MSFT stock he holds.

  48. American AND Japenese giant robots kick... by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

    I'll agree every mechwarrior through 3 has sucked, but I have to draw the line at 4. MW4 is acually fun to play. And lo and behold, it didn't get good until Microsoft bough the licence... Hmmm...

    No comments on Armoured Core. I liked that too =p

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  49. My log is better than your log. by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

    Even I have to admit the "running better on the X-Box" is debatable... Ports are only what you put into em. Everything says they should run better, but it's been screwed up more than once on every concole in existance.

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  50. No absolutes here.... by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

    All good points and I certainly didn't mean them as absolutes. What I intend to illustrate was the fact that MS is serious about what it's doing and will make the project succeed. The degree of that success, however, is a huge unknown admittedly. It could range anywhere from playing second fiddle to Sony and Nintendo, all the way to total living room domination (doubt that). The point I was trying to make was I just don't think it will be the Atari jaguar or 3do that people seem to think it will be. Finally, Money by no means guarantees success, but it will improve your odds if you know how to use it.

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  51. The funny thing about the XBox by Backov · · Score: 1

    I used to work for an IT company that did kiosks, specifically for the Big 3 auto makers. The one I made for them is in most US GM Dealers, and it sucks ass as it was based on an M2 (3DO 2) console.

    When the XBox came out, our quite large, publically traded company asked Microsoft if we could have a dev kit so we could do kiosks on it. They refused. Apparently they weren't interested in supporting any development but games.

    So, we lied and said we were going to do games on it.. 3 months later, their publisher relations guys STILL hadn't gotten back to us. I talked to Seamus through email periodically about this - great guy, but totally disconnected from the biz side of it, he was unable to help us out.

    I don't know about MS, but I DO know that kiosk systems are the ONLY thing that kept the M2 alive for so long. It was stupid to blow us off, the thing is an ideal kiosk machine.

    Ah well, maybe it will get some good games soon.

    Cheers,
    Backov

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