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Apple Deals with Devil, Communists
rschroeder writes "I keep thinking that this article can't be real, but it looks like it. Among the juicier bits: 'The real operating system hiding under the newest version of the Macintosh operating system (Mac OS X) is called... Darwin! That's right, new Macs are based on Darwinism! While they currently don't advertise this fact to consumers, it is well known among the computer elite, who are mostly Atheists and Pagans. Furthermore, the Darwin OS is released under an 'Open Source' license, which is just another name for Communism.'" Yes, of course. And I am still waiting for Jesux to be released.
That's really it. It's a hoax, and a decent joke at that but it doesn't take much to see that.
Makes me wonder if they have Theomathematics, Theochemistry, Theophysics and Theoengineering as well.
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Open Source and Free Software are heavily based in the ideals of anarchism and communism, and many of us are athiest or agnostic.
I don't have a problem with this, but _they_ do. This isn't really that funny. It's a clash between the age of pisces and the age of aquarius, much like a similiar clash 2000 years ago, and one 2000 years before that...
Don't take them too seriously, but don't discard them as complete nuts, either. These people are holding views which were sacred to a much wider community in the past. 2000 years from now (if anyone's still around), this will happen again, and _our_ views will be the silly ones.
Objective Landover Baptist Shutdown aims to get religious parody (?) site Landover Baptist shut down, removed from the internet, basically because they disagree with their message... very little to no legal ground to stand on. They're just trying to use tactics like contacting the hosting ISP and talking to WIPO to reach their goals. They apparently don't even pretend to grasp the first amendment.
The site members.truepath.com is running Apache/1.3.22 (Unix) mod_perl/1.26 PHP/4.0.6 on Linux.
That is all.
Intercarve Networks, LLC
Visit the Landover Baptist Church webpage for more fun, logical christian humor.
while he's at it why don't he just label Apple as terrorists? Is this thing for real or is it April fools day again?
You know if one is going to spout off this kind of tripe they should at least get the facts straigt. And how in the hell would good christans know about all this devil stuff anyway?
This reminds me of the article for concerend parents that said linux is a hacking porgram.
Americans could not be more self absorbed if they were made of equal parts water and paper towel. -Dennis Miller
Actually, "theomathematics" have been around in numerous religions for millenia, though it's usually called arithmosophy.
Guys, this is a spoof. There is no "Fellowship University" do a google search on it for cryin' out loud!
I'm a evangelical pastor. I think Jesus is the only way, I'm also a geek who thinks that the darwin kernel is a wonderful thing. Even spoofs like this make me nervous, because people actually think that evangelicals are taught to think like this (well, they are if they listen to christian radio, I tell my congregation to watch the simpsons instead...).
It has one valid point though....chmod 666 can be an evil command, depending on the file your sicking it on! :-)
Really- people should read the article. It's rolling on the floor funny. It must be a hoax though. No one could be this funny without it being on purpose.
My favorite quote: (right near the bottom)
ADDENDUM IV (4/21/2002): Apparently anti-Christian zealots -- as well as shocked Christians who have unwittingly become Mac owners -- are linking to this article, which explains the large number of emails we have received on this topic. More clues have come in showing the dark nature of Apple Computers. According to one of our readers, the new MacOS X contains another Satanic holdover from the "BSD Unix" OS mentioned above; to open up certain locked files one has to run a program much like the DOS prompt in Microsoft Windows and type in a secret code: "chmod 666". What other horrors lurk in this thing?
Actually, Apple did have a well-publicized dealing with the Church of Satan. They had a "Made with Macintosh" logo on their homepage, and they had a b/w pic of their founder with "Think DIfferent" next to him. The kicker? They were (obviously) against those things. They demanded the removal of such things. The CoSatan, being the dissenters they are, naturally didn't remove them.
Actually, the Church of Satan, so far as I know, actually *does* (or at least used to) run on Apples. They even used to proudly advertise the fact on their web site with a parody of Apple's "Think Different" campaign featuring Anton LaVey (the Church's founder).
The pastor dude is an idiot--'Nuff said. Anyone who can't see past a word or a name, and sees "communism" and "godlessness" behind every corner probably doesn't know his a** from his elbow. It saddens me to think of how many people are so closed- and literally-minded.
That said, I feel strongly that reprisals of the sort that are described here should not be tolerated. I worry that if a DoS is tolerated in this instance, replicating it will be regarded as socially acceptable. So, someone else will write a DoS attack, or a worm, or whatever.
And, whoever writes it will feel he will be held up by his peers here on \. because, after all, they speak about how bad the target of the day (today the document in question, in another Microsoft, in another--who knows?!?).
Win people with your minds and your ideas, not random acts of terrorism. IF they listen, then you truelly have one. If they don't, then you move on.
when the story I submitted was rejected -- 2002-04-22 14:56:33 Unix is truly the dark side (articles,humor) (rejected) -- and posted all in the same day.
;-)
I'm off to chmod 666 some files and increase the minions of the dark side.
"All the darkness in the world can not quench the light of one small candle."
This OS -- and its Darwin offspring -- extensively use what are called "daemons" (which is how Pagans write "demon" -- they are notoriously poor spellers: magick, vampyre, etc.) which is a program that hides in the background, doing things without the user's notice. If you are using a new Macintosh running OS X then you probably have these "daemons" on your computer, hardly something a good Christian would want! This clearly illustrates that not only is Macintosh based on Darwinism, but Darwinism is based on Satanism.
Lordy, Lordy, this is so thick that you need a shovel to get rid of that high holy smell.
When looking at *any* kind of text that may or may not be slanted towards or away from any given viewpoint, please keep a look out for the world 'Clearly'. It usually indicates that the author is expecting the reader to make a logic jump that might otherwise not be warranted.
Examples:
Some people who live in capitalist societies are homeless and hungry, therefore we can CLEARLY determine that capitalism is responsible for homelessness and hunger.
Some people who live in socialist societies are oppressed and have no rights. Therefore we can CLEARLY determine that socialism is equivalent to a dearth of human rights.
Religous types are especially bad about this. I am a Christian... a very liberal Christian... but for a long time I lost my faith because of a poorly produced anti-evolution video I was forced to watch in high school (in Texas). Typical contents of the video can be summarized as follows.
Because of [poorly documented and inadequately evidence] we can CLEARLY see that this discovery is a sham designed to discredit the world of our Lord...
'Clearly' gives away propoganda 9 out of 10 times.
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They try to hide all of this under a facade of shiny, "lickable" buttons, but the truth has finally come out: Apple Computers promote Godless Darwinism and Communism.
I've been licking the buttons on my Dell laptop, and that's okay, but have you tasted the new IMac? Apple has again leaped way ahead in terms of user interface.
Lickable Buttons. Hmmm... I wonder if he's thinking about those candies you used to get at street-fairs and the like which were just little dots on a roll of paper. Or perhaps those weren't really candies and this is all one long, crazy trip...
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It breaks my pluginses, my precious!
It's Funny, Laugh
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That foot icon is not just for putting in your mouth you know.
I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
There are discussions about this site on MetaFilter, a MacSlash article, a very funny Fark thread, as well as mentions on Ars and Memepool.
Seems the tech subset of the Internet has been well and truly trolled, if indeed this is a hoax, which I am inclined to believe, given that all of the banner ads on the site seem to lead to the same domain.
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Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum.
Laugh. There are probably more examples, I didn't have time to check.
It's a hoax, a very clever one, but a hoax nonetheless.
As a Brit in America, I suspect my non-American friends are reading this entire thread bemused. "Well, of course it's an effing hoax!" they're exclaiming. "It's too over the top! You Americans are {...}"
Response: Nope. There really are people like that around here, especially in the South and the mid-West. Even many "moderate" Christians see concepts like evolution as major threats to their beliefs and are actively trying to remove it from public education (sometimes successfully.) And moderate Christians do sometimes seem to form the minority of Christians in this God-forsaken country...
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
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After a stressful day, I can use a good laugh. This article didn't provide it, but I'm glad they tried. I don't think Slashdot would work if it was too focused.
I remember back in 2000, the Register ran a semi-similar joke about Apple. Here it is:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/61
Unfortunately, I think they took the image down. Try to imagine a Nasa-style picture of the sun with a solar flare erupting from the top, shaped a little like an apple stem. It resembled the Apple Logo, heh.
I showed this to a coworker (mac fanatic, no less) that read it and said something along the lines of "This doesn't surprise me." I honestly couldn't tell if I was putting her on, or if she was putting me on heh.
"Derp de derp."
The following is translated -almost- verbatim from an Onion book i have at home.
Is science being taught in our schools?
Asks the great news-paper "The Onion", instument of the rich, pacifier of the poor, americas finest news source, on its July 20, 1925 front page. "Scopes monkey trial raises troubling question:
IS SCIENCE BEING TAUGHT IN OUR SCHOOLS?
Should children be exposed to facts? are reason and empirical evidence suitable school subjects?"
Clearly the answer to thes questions is no, as a man who holds that the welfare of the country takes precedence over any other human concern, I must stand firmly against the teaching of Science in our schools. This Science has already caused turmoil among the god-fearing readers of Slashdot, americas second finest, and most accurate, news source These peoples had no wish to know that they, as human creatures, may have descended from apes. What if Science were to champion other truths, provable and real, which people do not want to hear? For example, god forbid, what if Linux were proven by Science, to be superior to any version of Windows? The peoples reaction would cause division and conflict in our nation, nay, in our world, that would doubtless outweigh any benefits of the actual Scientific discovery. Should we teach our children facts? No, I say, a thousand time no! As they grow into tomorrows farmers, housewives, mill workers, and microsoft executives, facts are the last things they will need. Manners, subservience, above all, obedience! To speak only when spoken to, to standardize on one platform, and to not cause trouble! These are the principles upon which our educational system was founded. Why in the name of god should we replace it with a system that actually encourages the ignorant man to ask questions? A good citizen does nothing of the sort. He is content with the reasons he is given by his betters.
Humanitys noblest heroes were not men who cared about facts. They were men who stood up for what they believed in, to hell with facts! To hell with any truth not their own! Our most cherished heroes would fight to the death, bludgeoning their enemies repeatedly, wholly uninterested in whether they were right or wrong. Once something is accepted as true, it should be true forever. This noble ideal, with its emphasis on unquestioning acceptance and obedience to authority, is what we should teach our children. It is the rock upon which we have built our government, our religion, and our American way of life, and it is the very ideal that science seeks to thwart with its new "discoveries" and impersonal ledgers of "facts".
Learning! Why should we provide our citizens with learning? Does learning mathematics aid a man who will spend the rest of his life smelting iron in a foundry? Does knowing that man comes from apes, if he indeed does, which seems to be the subject of some debate, change the lot of the farmwife who spends her years shuttling barefoot between the birthing-bed and the milking-stool, as is proper? I say it does not. Furthermore, it fills the brains of children with useless facts which does not help them become better American Citizens. Does a fact have any inherent moral value? Does Science? We know that science allowed the Germans to develop the mustard gas,the motor-gun, and techno music. Has religion ever been used in such a fashion? With the exception of the holy hand grenade of antioch, no.
Is it possible that we, with our motorcars, and aero-planes, powered by our internal-combustion engines, have already started us down a slippery slope of our destruction. We were not content to stay with time honored steam, to travel in our dignified trains and coach-and-fours, but we can take action now, before ape worshipping scientists turn us one against the other. We must cease our march of progress now, and there is no better way to achieve this than to keep the hellborn demon Science, and his diabolical Facts, from coming into contact with our children.
Apparently the Darwin OS is not the original creation of Apple Computers but is instead based off of an older, obsolete OS called "BSD Unix".
Grrrrrr!!!!!!!!
This is "All True"*. It all started with the insidious darwinist plot using the fluoridation of the drinkng water supply, thereby contaminating our precious bodily fluids. This is just one of many plots master minded by the...I've already said too much....
* All True actually meant to serve as placeholder for complete and utter bullshit
Not articles. Besides, did you see the footnotes?
First nitpick: Actually, holyrollers that pretend to be true bible scholars annoy me. It wasn't a fig either, but rather a pomengranate.
Second nitpick: The Woz chose that price as a joke. It was $666.66, not "666". Is the number of the beast 2/3's rounded off to the nearest cent? I suppose all electronic calculators are also satanic, since dividing 2 by 3 gives you the same thing. I guess that holyrolling is so boring though, even they have to dabble in numerology.
And finally, I have to wonder if M$ isn't somehow involved with this. Maybe small cash donations to this guys church? There's something there, I'm sure.
I agree, but that doesn't mean that some bible thumping christian reconstructionist bitch doesn't disagree with us
My favorite is the profile of contributor "Diamond" Jack Holgroth:
"Diamond" Jack Holgroth is a Game Theoretician who currently teaches a course in Advanced Game Theory for Theologians at Fellowship University. He served our country during the Cold War as a Game Theory Tactician for the Department of Defense and single-handedly developed an elegant solution to the "Fisherman's Quandary", a game theory problem that was crucial to the winning of the arms race and that was famously intractable - until Diamond Jack came along.
Very clever, but also quite clearly a joke.
http://www.ironycentral.com/archives/theoexam.html
.9c. In Joe's rest frame, how much does God now love Bob? "
"1. (20 pts.) Bob and Joe are standing on a street corner. God loves each an equal amount L. Bob then accelerates to
Then why have they had so much trouble turning a profit. If they made a deal with the devil then MS should be crushed by now... Or is the Apple/Satan conglomerate held at bay by all of those god-faring christians that use MS?
Not really. The whole point of the site, if you were to assume it was real, is to point out anti-creationism or pro-evolution propaganda.
I don't see your point.
I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
not anti-Christian openly (who knows what he thinks -- heck, i hardly know what my roommates think!) but certainly non-Christian. like most people in the world. i recall that he's got the california-new-age-thing going on.
jon
-- http://www.cerastes.org
What you say??? Clearly you are a heathen and must rot in hell.
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
Thus far, the first episode (called "Darwin's Dangerous Idea" -- at least they are honest in the title) was a melodramatization of Charles Darwin's life. Darwin is portrayed as a sympathetic character who is attacked by ignorant Christians for his "revolutionary thought"
This is just so good it has to be fattening. Attacked by Ignorant Christians you say? Here is one that will really keep you up at night, the earth is round, we are not the center of the universe, and this kind of stuff doesn't help your worthless cause of ignorance and closed mindedness. (thank God, [pun intended]).
This Wiki Feeds You TV and Anime - vidwiki.org
You'd have to be a serious tool to think this site is real. The more intuitive among us will notice that they got far too many facts straight to be real...
It hasn't been a problem in California, but twice I was accused of being a devil worshipper while wearing my FreeBSD polo shirt in Texas.
Noo... you see, it's an "operating system". There's these "processes" that run in the "background" and the little demon is just a mascot, sort of like... fuck it... you got me, it's Satan.
This is just another one of those articles written by unnoficial members of the Grumpy Old Men From Texas Club. As a theology student, and a MacOS X user, I find Dr. Paley's article quite lamentable. Not only has he utterly failed to disprove any modern myths, he has made a complete fool of himself and Fellowship University. He will never hear the end of the torrent of criticism from both his academic and ecclesiastical peers.
If any slashdotters are unfamiliar with Theology, then please don't let this man give you a poor first impression. If he were to read this article aloud in front of an assembly of people with accredited degrees, he might very well be laughed out of the auditorium.
He calls apple users a cult - I suppose its a good thing there aren't too many amiga users around anymore.
First nitpick: Actually, holyrollers that pretend to be true bible scholars annoy me. It wasn't a fig either, but rather a pomengranate.
Says who?
As far as I am aware, the bible doesn't say what kind of fruit it was whatsoever, and scholars have debated that it could have been a fig, apple, pomegranate, etrog, carob, palm, nut tree, grapevine, wheat stalk, etc.
In fact, some dare to suggest that there was no actual tree at all, but that the story of the Garden of Eden is mythological!
"Christians see concepts like evolution as major threats to their beliefs and are actively trying to remove it from public education"
I can personally attest to this. As a high school student in rural(very) Mississippi I loved it when my Biology "teachers" came to the point where we were to learn about evolution. The lessons were always preceeded with statements like, "Now, I'm not saying I believe this, or that it's at all true, but according to the state I have to teach it to you, it's up to you if you want to listen or not." I would sit astounded as half the class objected to a very fundamental concept by sleeping through the class because Brother so and so told them that, "he ain't evolve from no gosh darn ape."
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There really are people like that around here, especially in the South and the mid-West. Even many "moderate" Christians see concepts like evolution as major threats to their beliefs and are actively trying to remove it from public education (sometimes successfully.) And moderate Christians do sometimes seem to form the minority of Christians in this God-forsaken country...
I had a neighbor like this. We had a discussion of sorts when day when I found out that she wouldn't let her children use computers -- even at school. As she explained, the logical end for all computer progress is 'artificial intelligence' which is of course just another way of saying 'a living being not created by God' -- and therefore of the devil's minions. She further said that because of computers, the theory of evolution had been proven false, because it demonstrated that intelligent beings -- even soulless, simple ones -- must be created (i.e. evil men create computers, they didn't 'evolve' on their own). Thus, she said, the computers were the seed of the devils minions for armageddon, and smart cards, pet and child ID chips, etc. were the 'mark of satan' that is apparently spoken about somewhere in the bible. (?) The fact that computers were created by 'scientists' was also evidence to her, since it was 'scientists' who came up with what she called the 'lie of evolution' in the first place, presumably to put us all off the scent while they helped to build said devilish minions. 'Scientists' are, as she explained, fundamentally in the business of trying to trick people into believing that there is no God, so as to destroy their salvation and leave them no choice but to work for Satan in the final battle.
Apparently, it all made a kind of sense to her, and the long and short of it was that she had filed some sort of form at the public school which then excused her children from using the computers, Internet, etc. She had also arranged to have them excluded from discussions of biology and evolution, on grounds that it was all a scientists' lie to destroy salvation.
Poor kids. When they grow up, they'll be fit only to be one thing: a fanatic like their mother.
It also looks k-rad and goth. Teenagers all love k-rad and goth stuff, like Paganism. Luckily no one takes it seriously, at least no one over 18 with an IQ of more than 80.
I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
You can see the parody image on the home page of The Church of Satan near the end of the page. (Don't worry, it's not that offensive.) They also tell their half of the story regarding the "Made with Macintosh" debacle.
At least the Church of Satan really uses Macs. Didn't Apple's actual "Think Different" campaign feature Ghandi, Martin Luther King, and other people who never used Apple computers?
I'm not sure who I dislike more; idiot people like this who don't know what their talking about bringing computers and religion together in insane ways, or the idiot athiests who look down their noses and say 'See! See what I told you. Look at how silly those closed mided Christians are!'
Darwin was a scientist. He observed phonomonea and came to a conclusion. His findings do not disprove creationism or God. All he has done has provided us with, based on observable phonomonea, the best possible understanding about the development of life on this planet.
It's innane to ignore that in the face of so much compelling evidence. At the same time, athiests take up Darwin's name as a banner with as much fervor, closed mindedness, and compleate lack of a world view as any firebranding preacher.
There is a spirtual side to the Universe. You can ignore it in the lab and get better results, but don't poo-pah people who like to keep it in mind.
The Internet is generally stupid
In practise, obviously not in name.
Members of the early church gave all their belongings to the church, which was then used to support all the members of the church.
Check out Acts (don't have the exact reference with me). For those who may not know, Acts is the book of the bible that describes what happens to Christianity straight after Jesus Leaves the Diciples. It shows how the church grew and spread through the world.
For those who know no better....realise that this is a statement of fact by the author of Acts, and in no way does it promote nor demote Communisim.
Any "preacher" who claims that Christianity supports capitalism (or communism) has no idea what the bible says (or doesn't say).
'Clearly' gives away propoganda 9 out of 10 times.
I honestly don't know it's that bad, I think a lot of the time it is just another emphasis word. But it's worth pointing out that spotting propaganda takes attention and diligence. Good propaganda is crafted down to the last word, and often the flaws are easily glossed over.
One trick is that propaganda makes an emotional impact without making a discernible point. I see this trick work far too often on the elderly. Some huckster calls up grandma, says "you won" this or that, and the emotional resonance never fades to the point where she can think clearly about what this person really wants.
These tricks can be defeated if you understand how easy they really are. But none of them are obvious, which is why those of us who understand propaganda tactics should make an effort to educate people and spread the word.
Here on Slashdot it's not so much of a big deal if people get hoaxed from time to time. But when you're talking about public policy, media standards, or elected leadership, the ability to cut through the hype becomes crucial for the functioning of a democratic society.
Yesterday I was attacked by the followers of an evil heathen website, dotslash.
What they did is called a DoS, and DoS stands for Denying Our Savour. The attack is called by the followers of dotslash the 'dotslash effect'
The name of the attackers, dotslash is clearly a reference to the beast, and how it attacks.
Fear not, I lit candles on top of my monitor, and now that the fire department has put the flames of hell out, and I have finished praying, all will be well.
Desperation is a stinky cologne
"Reality is just a convenient measure of complexity" -Alvy Ray Smith
Well at least he's being hosted on a Commie linux server, and not a Satanic and Commie BSD one.
I don't think I have the heart to tell him.
evanchik.net
The kids section.
The section on what to do if you discover that there is a grumpy old atheist in the neighborhood is hilarious. Also the little cartoon about how dinosaurs and humankind used to walk the earth together because the earth is only 10,000 years old is beyond compare. Evolution as a tool of Satan! I love it! Almost as funny as good ole Elron's theory about intergalactic genocide 75,000,000 years ago being the cause of all suffering for humans.
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Its actually titled "Evolutionism Propaganda" if you look at the top of the text. Still this guy is either completely insane, or you're right and it is satire.
[Apple] is well known for its cult-like following. It isn't much of a stretch to say that it is a cult.
Well the article got one thing right... I just did not know MAC people were so weird because they were in with Satan...
We spent a lot of time debating that today. The nail in the coffin was when we noticed the site uses the same retailer for its t-shirts as the landover baptist site. I really want a Bazooka Jesus shirt.
-M
Disclaimer: MINAA (Mummy! I'm Not An Animal!)
I would not go so far as to say it's obviously satire. If you look at the lengths they went to to provide links to other Christian sites and texts is pretty extensive. I checked out a lot of the links, especially the ones on the Christian roots of the US and of the US and various state and township Constitutions. On the surface I can see where one might think it is satire, but the level of research and effort that went in to build this monstrosity definitely goes beyond satire.
Some people just are that zealous. Make a subtle, sarcastic anti-linux comment here and see what happens!
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If I lived in Indiana I'd be freaking terrified that these people were in charge of establishing the law in my state!
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
How many times do we have to explain it? It applies to Free software, not Open Source, and it's a lot closer to Socialism, than Communism. Geesh.
sic transit gloria mundi
He purported to have proved Evolutionism by making his Macintosh draw little squiggles -- or "biomorphs" as he called them -- that changed over "generations". (This of course begs the question: if it took a created machine running created software to make these squiggles, how then does that refute Creation?)
I realize the article is a hoax, but this is an example of reasoning that I hear fairly often from Creationists. They believe that if Creationism is true, then evolution must be false, and vice versa. But as the example above points out, software-based 'evolution' was created by an intelligent being. Move the scenario back to the real world, and it works there too -- there is nothing to prevent an all-powerful God from creating a Universe that generates human life through evolutionary processes. You can have your Creationism and evolution too.
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
most science seems to refute most of the events of the bible, but that doesn't matter to most christians who simply agree and say "I still believe in the core beliefs" or who find extremely irrational explanations. As someone who attends church weekly for 2 services (I work at one, though I am atheist) I see a startling number of contradictions and ridiculous events presented in religious text.
You still of course have the right to believe, and i'm not denying that. But I too have the right to believe that you are wholly wrong. Don't think your weak arguments will persuade anyone/
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I'm impressed.
They have some cool merchandise, too.
This is the page that got me.
Not even part of their site. Man, do I feel like a sucker now!
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Well, it all depends what flavour of communism(probably Marxism) you're thinking.
If you take the complete social-libertarian perspective (Anarchism), you would be having contributions to a community that benefit everyone as a whole. GPL'd software is not viable in a capitalist market because you're selling software that gives you no edge over someone else who's selling the same thing. If money was to be made on the software alone, the market would get flooded with the GPL'd software and the price would bottom out to the lowest cost of distribution.
Companies that make money by providing Free Software are not capitalizing on the software itself, but the 'value-added' services, manuals, and most likely proprietary software tossed in. If they were generating huge income from the sole sale of software, we'd see Microsoft join the Free Software movement.
Marxism, would have us hand over our code for the 'greater good of the people' - as history has taught us, a totalitarian regime would ensure this. Anarchism, it's an individual choice. But anarchism works on the ideals that we can live better by working together, but working together because you want to. Not because someone in a position of authority has forced you to.
For more info on Anarchism:
www.infoshop.org/faq/index.html
To determine your political standing:
www.politicalcompass.org
I read this years ago, word for word the same. How is this possibly "news" for nerds?
Hmm.. interesting technique there for spotting propoganda, but I normally just look to see if the file contains the word "propaganda" :)
Ian
Because Satan is in the operating system business. Sure, Apple may be roughly on the same team, but Satan still isn't gonna give the industry to them, when he is competing himself. Besides he did bail them out with that 10% non-voting stock deal a few years back, didn't he?
So many people believed the Onion story was true that Snopes had to debunk it!
umm ...
... wait a second, we are commodifying water now. Keeping that in mind, sharing knowledge in the future might be regarded as some to be 'communist' in nature, and those who do so must be imprisoned.
... how many people do I need to start listing for those who've been persecuted by a social and economic structure we've approved of for sharing knowledge?
... ...
Isn't the concept of sharing Communism?
Communism/Socialism, it's the idea of doing things together. It's just a matter of how it's implemented is what has left the bad imagery in our minds.
If we ever do hit the absolute extreme of capitalism, information such as recorded history, will only be availible to those who can pay for it. But that's speaking of the ridiculous extreme
Hmmm
Wasn't there some kid arrested or charged for releasing some code to decrypt DVDs?
Was there not a Russian guy arrested in the United States for code he wrote while in Russia? Had something to do with Adobe eBooks if I remember correctly
Was there not a man who released code to encrypt information, and wasn't he threatened with criminal charges?
Older examples
What about Galileo? Thomas Aquinas?
There's good reasons why Free Software can be seen as having ideals of anarchism and communism.
The site is a PARODY!
There is no longer anything that can be done with computers that is nontrivial and clearly legal. -- Paul Phillips
I'd saythere's only about 4 christians in the whole of Oz & Europe who don't accept evolotion.
Gez most people in Oz just happen to be born Anglican or Catholic & that's as far as it goes. It's the same again in Europe. Except depending on the part of Europe you can substitute Lutherian, reformed, etc for Anglican or Orthadox for Catholic.
Now with the small minority in Oz 'n Europe, who actually happen to bother thinking about theological concepts, evolution was just the way god did it. The Melbourne Cardinal even banished a American Catholic preach back to the US because he publically denounced evolution.
Here in Oz there's only about 4 creationists, all probably in Queensland. From my experiance in Europe virtually the only creationists there are the American Baptist missionairies in Russia trying to convert the godless communist heathens (haven't they heard of the Russian Orthadox Church?).
It was rejected..
2002-04-22 08:45:25 Evolutionists spread "false" theories via MAC OS X (articles,humor) (rejected)
Burn my karma.. i dunt care.. thats way fucking lame of you editors... sheesh...
Maybe i should be supporting the lame slashdot blackout!
Maybe somebody has already posted a mirror, or maybe I'm the first person that got Yahoo's "exceeded bandwidth" message, but here's a google mirror for the Jesux page.
: www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/4081/+jesu x&hl=en
Jesux
For the goatse weary: http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:CruA_mWMcQQC
Urk!g i?id=Si sTaffy
There's a link to Stile's Top 50 sites on that page!
http://cgi.stileproject.com/top50/rankem.c
Hm....
Brak: What's THAT?
Thundercleese: A light switch.. of TOTAL DEVASTATION!
Perhaps you might invite them all down to the mall teraplex to see 'Frailty'?
I'm sure she'd enjoy that!
Bill Paxton is SUCH a hunk >:->
Brak: What's THAT?
Thundercleese: A light switch.. of TOTAL DEVASTATION!
It's a smug, self-satisfied and feeble attempt at 'Satire(tm)' that is an utter failure on all fronts. ALL of it has been done before, better.
I cannot *believe* that I *ever* found the Onion even remotely amusing.
(washing his hands feverishly, YET AGAIN!)
Brak: What's THAT?
Thundercleese: A light switch.. of TOTAL DEVASTATION!
No wonder I've had a strange urge to a rip an MP3 of "Highway to Hell" on my iMac.
Ergonomica Auctorita Illico!
Symbolic irony
Well, of course, it's slashdotted all to hell.
I was very ALOT curious about whether or not it's a hoax site. I read most of the other poo in there. Especially the "Game Theoretician" section from the silly old DOD guy.
That's the section that made me come to believe it wasn't a hoax.
How many people know the two formal arguments against Pascal's Wager? Anybody?
I do. Of all the people I know 2 others, ever, also knew them before I told them to them.
There's nothing funny in that section. There's no comedy, there's no nothing. I _like_ to think I'm hip enough on the basics of game theory that I'd get any satirical jokes in that section. I don't.
Anybody who does, please do email me.
I don't want to be so frumpy and humorless!
mig
My first clue that it was propaganda was the url:
a .h tml
http://members.truepath.com/objective/propagand
I don't really know about anyone else, but I tend to think that anyting with the filenmame "propaganda.html" would tend to fall into that category.
Alright, anyone who didn't catch that this was a joke within the first ten seconds out of the pool now.
There is a civil war coming in the United States. Remember which side has most of the guns
I will honestly admit that I got caught by the hoax. Even after I noticed the name of the author as "Richard Paley" (which I took as a nom de plume.).
Prime numbers are exactly what Alan Greenspan says they are -S. Minsky
This is an evil parody. This is not real. I can't believe so many of you fell for it.
Christians do not believe this tripe. Not even the fundamentalists or evangelicals. If all you know about christianity is what Hollywood and the MPAA tell you, then this guy sound genuine, but it most certainly is not. Distrust all stereotypes. A christian would be as likely to spout this blather as a geek would wear a pocket protector and taped glasses.
The members.truepath.com website is hoax. A very elaborate hoax to be sure, but still a hoax. Just go to the members' bios page if you don't believe me.
The proof of this hoax is simple: there is no theology anwhere. There's a lot of shouting about darwinism, communism and anti-christian terrorists, but I can't find any scriptural references anwhere in their arguments. Not one bible thump in evidence.
I am a christian. I was raised in a christian household. I grew up in the California version of the bible-belt. But I've never met anyone who even remotely resembles these turkeys. Not even the nutbags on the Patriot Network or JT Chick come close.
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
I think it might be better for the universe if we humans never make it out of this solar system. I'd really hate to see the kind of harm we could inflict due to the almost willfull stupidity that is so commonly displayed on this planet.
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
I just wrote a long e-mail to this guy debunking his ideas.
I did a little digging, and found that, tada, their server is running on Linux, an open source (and hence, in his view, Communist) server. I kindly informed of why chmod works the way it does, and that chmod 666 isn't nearly as powerful as 777, and that, well, they can do the same thing on their server.
I don't know. Being a Christian myself, these guys are an embarrasment. I know where they get there ideas now more and more. If you want an interesting read on the developments of the Church and the Jews, read Constantine's Sword. Maybe you'll understand why these guys have such misplaced views.
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. - G.B. Shaw
Regardless of the fact that this is a hoax: Yes they do have a right to publish such garbage. It's called freedom of speech, and freedom of expression. Freedom of speech is not, and should not be limited because you don't like it.
The ways of gods are mysteriously indistinguishable from chance.
so if we all "chmod 666" does that mean that jesux will get here faster :P
----- Question authority, but not ours. Hate the man, but we're not him.
However, I commend you for posting this anonymously.
Stop the brainwash
Wrong, silly. Read those google results a little more closely.
See all those commas and colons separationg "Fellowship" from "University"?
A moment's inspection reveals: You found a list of resumes of people who did research fellowships at the University of Kansas in Lawrence, Kansas, or medical fellowships at the Medical Center in Kansas City.
... I am Agnostic (or if I feel spiritual Taoist).
Damn Christians, always twisting everything around, they don't even diss people correctly.
If you want to e-mail me, use my PGP Key.
I hate to disillusion you, but throughout the real Bible belt, you could get Christians falling for this in droves--literally likely over 50% of the population. I grew up in South Carolina, and had the local public radio station tell me that if you play Van Halen's "Stairway to Heaven" backwards, it exhorted you to smoke marijuana. This during our previous Secretary of Education's term as governor.
They're pretty much equivalent to the political correctness freaks of the left that I met in college--everything you owned had to be checked for PC/TC (theological correctness). No products from countries with incorrect regimes/godless commies, thousands of "scholarly works" with lots of propaganda and incredibly self-referential citations, and an extreme ingroup-outgroup separation.
So it gets to the point where you could take the PC-ers and tell them that Apple was exploiting the working class and get them to boycott it and take the religious right and tell them they were in league with the devil, and take both of them and tell them they were involved in the illuminati/corporate/UN conspiracy and they'd both believe you uncritically.
The thing that gave it away for me is that the site's design is too good. Fundies always have crappy design.
P.S. If reading this as a Christian offends you, go out and tell your bible-thumping bretheren not to be such complete morons. Same goes if you're a World Bank protester and you don't like what I said about the Politically Correct--tell them to read a book or newspaper not written by the collective.
For me, the giveaways are:-
The fictitious university,
The glaring errors in the Game Theory section,
The sheer stupidity of the opinions. This has to be deliberate, as actual stupid people are not that literate.
I only respect the opinions of others if I think they are right. Clue, not you God Squad.
The original Doctor Dark.
"...under an "Open Source" license, which is just another name for Communism. They try to hide all of this under a facade of shiny, "lickable" buttons"
Man I love those lickable buttons. Makes everything taste so good
I wonder if the mascot Hexley is named after T. H. Huxley, 'Darwin's bulldog' and the strongest defender of the theory of evolution after it was published.
-- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
Here is the member list, it looks pretty satirical: http://members.truepath.com/objective/members.htm
For me the funniest part is that whoever is perpertrating this satire has the balls to get the site hosted by a Christian web host!
Thanks for your post. I have to point something out, though, that is forever being ignored in these discussion, which is that science, and evolutionary science in particular, is not a belief system. I don't "believe in" evolution, or gravity, or optics. I accept the scientific evidence.
There is a serious attempt in the country to make a false equivalence of religion and science, and we must guard against it.
Abiogenesis is the creation of the first self replicating life form. Done in a lab but how it happened on earth, who knows exactly ?
Its strange that after each proof of "what must
be proven else..." that another is created. If you want to say that God, little green men or whom ever created the first self replicating piece of clay or whatever, then fine. You have no evidence and no proof, you ask for Science to give proof but offer none in return.
In terms of Adultery in the Bible, they have incest in there which many people would regard as much worse. Also condones murder, including of infants.
An Eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind - Gandhi
1. Genetic mutations are almost always harmful/harmless, never beneficial (in the sense of different fur). The ratio of harmful mutations is much, much higher than neutral ones. I'm not sure if any beneficial mutations have been observed, but I could be wrong.
You are wrong. We have indeed seen beneficial mutations, including antibiotic resistance in bacteria and bacterial digestion of nylon precusors. One of my personal favorites is tetrachromaticity, as this is a *human* mutation that offers a distinct advantage to a few lucky women.
2. We find the genetic code for the variety of species is present in the parent. With current data we are quite clearly dealing with genetic code that already existed, not through fresh mutations.
Again, wrong. We've seen new mutations appear: nylon didn't exist in nature before the 1940s. Now bacteria can eat it. Other types of mutations scramble existing code and generate new: you can claim that rearranging all the letters in a /. post doesn't introduce new information, but I can take the words in your post above and make it say most anything.
I can't argue your latter bit: I'm a chemist rather than a biologist, so I see a different set of wrong arguments against evolution.
This problem is perfectly consistent with Creation theory though,
Here's the real crux of your problem. What is "Creation Theory"? Is it scientific? Is it testable? Is it falsifiable? "God did it" is none of these.
Please explain the testable, scientific creation theory. The folks on talk.origins have been asking for *years* and have never gotten one.
Eric
"Seven Deadly Sins? I thought it was a to-do list!"
Exactly.. and I know this because those groups tend to put me in the "heathen bin"
I think in bible times they would have referred to themselves as "Pharasees".
After writing an even loooonger discussion about the site and having it all erased in a system crash, this will be a short version. (On the second reading: ha-ha).
:-) The only obvious
people that could do it "for fun" is the Landover crew (and they are probably
overloaded with that site, plus they specialize in sharp and clear irony)
and Kyle Goldman that has a very different style on his other webpage. Faking
the artwork on the Objective site would also take lots of skill and time.
...or maybe I think it is a hoax... :-) /Fredrik
* The web service provider www.truepath.com/ has been online since September 1997. They are definitely for real and serves many, many other cristian sites. Let's not scan or bomb them. They are doing a great job handling the slashdot effect - we have seen many other sites choke immediately.
It all looks very, very much like a real site. Some glitches point in the hoax-direction however:
* On the member page, it is very hard to find any evidence of any pastors or doctors on the web. However, searching for '"Tim Allmon" baptist' on Google returns two hits.
-The Digital Missourian: Citing
"Tim Allmon, 22, plans to vote for Bush. But the Southern Methodist University student says he is tired of candidates "putting on the fake happy face, shaking hands and kissing babies.""
There is acutally a guy called Tim Allmon, about the age (24) of the portrait on the member page, studying at the Southern Methodist University. Sounds OK to study at the Methodist Univeristy if you are ultra christian, but I guess there are 10.000 other students there that are not, on the other hand...
The second link is not about our guy anyway.
* The bible verses they have chosen are good reading.
Tim Allmon, the treasurer, chose Mattew 22:17-22... (bible citations from bible.gospelcom.net)
"Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?" But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?" "Caesar's," they replied. Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away."
Too good to be true? You judge. But the femnine looking Peggy Miller's choice is Luke 11:21:
""When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe."
Pastor Jose Rosas is also surprising. Claiming to work in "the ecumenical Catholic Outreach Baptist Ministries" is exceedingly hard to believe for me. If the catholic and baptist acutally had any collaborations, we would find it on Google... Wouldn't we? Again, we are directed to Objective as the first link...
Corinthians 8:1-13 is not that obvious either...
Kyle Goodman then. His story is almost too good to be true... We can read in the Google cache (to save his Geocities accound from flooding) that he was salvaged by Jim Carlson of the Objective site. He first was a "bad guy" with a webpage against Jim Carlson and pro Landover. Now he has changed and is against Landover. It is hard to know if he is serious. Would anybody changing mind so drastically still keep their old web page that insulted what you now believe in? (His pages are still up on Geocities, but they are often overloaded so use the Google cache instead.
There is some really good reading in Kyles guestbook. I especially like a comment (KirthGersen - 11/22/00 06:05:12):
"Taking parody to the razor's edge... The fact that you left your old site up shows you are faking your conversion. The fact that those idiots at Shutdown Landover believe you shows that they are really, really dumb. Congrats on your parody - it's quite convincing. Can't wait till you suddenly fall from grace - should be hilarious!"
Furthermore, Kyle Goldman is a very uncommon name in Google. Most hits points into golf result tables. Some link actually points to the Faith Presbyterian Church in Huntsville, Alabama, were they have posted the participants in the cermon (how about that privacy?). Actually Melissa Goldman also participated. This seem strange as Kyle have chocked his jewish parents when converting as the Objective site says. Maybe this Kyle Goldman is not the one we are looking for...
One of the links points to a sermon that was held the 15th of October 2000, which is only two days after Kyle's last note on his Geocities webpage. It seems normal to me that a young newcomer in a presbyterian congregation would be asked to lead the prayers.
The golf-playing Kyle was a freshman in Temple Highschool in Bell County, Texas in 1997 (See this link, and this directory listing). Is he the same Kyle Goldman? There also seems to be a horse-riding and -judging Kyle Goldman that originates from Washington in Wilkes county, Georgia. Btw, his horse is named Cookie.
Aaaarghhh. I want to know the truth!
Conclusion
It is harder for me to believe that someone spends the enormous amount of work on a site likeObjective for fun rather than if they do believe in it. (On the other hand it may be hard for people to believe that someone spent the time to write this
This has largely turned out to be a study if the people named above really exist. It is hard to determine that using only the Internet, and it gets even harder when the persons are not supposed to use the 'net because of its low moral. It is next to impossible as the pages in discussion lack real-world adresses. Even if that is a sign of a hoax, nobody that tried leaving their mail adress on a page like that would do it again. They may be misinformed, but they are not stupid...
So, I choose to believe that there acutally are people different enough and determined to set up a site like Objective because they do believe in it for real. If anybody have hard evidence of the opposite, I welcome it.
Too bad, though. Here's what I tried to send:
e _w=on&site=members.truepath.com
From:
To: drdinosaur@covenant.org
I was greatly concerned to learn that the site on
which your "Creation Education" article was posted is,
in fact, running on a variant of the UNIX operating
system (speciffically Linux, which is Open Source).
As you correctly point out in your article, Open
Source software is effectively another name for
communisim. Also it uses the same "chmod" command
which the "Darwin OSX" operating system uses to give
access to files, and yes, the full access command is
"chmod ***".
Given these facts, I am concerned that your advise may
be tainted with the exposure to the influences you
yourself claim to stand firm against.
(For information on the version of the operating
system the computer is using, I reference this site: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?mode_u=on&mod
)
* I refuse to type the Number of the Beast.
Regards.
-- IANAEG - I am not an elder god.
I like how the popup includes a free pen for a $15 donation.
:-)
A free "stick pen".
A free, bought-in-bulk-for-a-dime-a-piece "stick pen".
Why don't they just throw in a scoop-neck baby T saying "Showing My Cleavage for Jesus" for their female contributors? Objective Ministries doesn't seem to have a problem with that particular type of clohting; I certainly don't
/Brian
http://extremetracking.com/open;sys?login=olobs
Bwaha! The page hits are 18% evil, and roughly 12% communist.
I am a christian. I was raised in a christian household. I grew up in the California version of the bible-belt. But I've never met anyone who even remotely resembles these turkeys. Not even the nutbags on the Patriot Network or JT Chick come close.
Yes, this is a hoax. But it's too close to reality to be called a "parody".
Take a trip to Alabama, Georgia.. heck, even as far north as Kentucky. At least 10-20% of the population wouldn't find this sort of thing funny at all. Really. I know hordes of people who think *exactly* like this. I have personally seen people show the "chmod 666" fears when I was showing them how to use unix-like systems. And I have seen one person switch to a non-unix system because she found out her computer was "infested with daemons" from her sysadmin.
You may think you know fundies, but trust me brother, you don't know fundies.
- Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
...that this group of Americans struggles so endlessly to preserve core American values... by destroying core American values. When will they wake up and realize that this country was founded in the name of freedom for people of all backgrounds. It was only in recent history that they were be persecuted in similar ways.
Why bother.
Actually, that once comes up from time to time.
There's a bit in the old testament describing the jewish temple, and a certain object is described as being circular, 10 cubits in diameter with a 30 cubit circumfrance.
Thus, Pi = 3. And since it's in the bible, any other claims are heresy.
As an introduction, it looks ok, but I doubt that you can make use of that page since it is loaded with similarities between natural and artificial evolution. Actually evolution is a matemathical/statistical phenomenon, I gave a reference to GAs only because mathematical analysis of evolution is rarely done elsewhere. Lets call this mathematical phenomenon evolution Ems. Biological entities have also been subject to an evolution, lets call that EB. Whether EB is an instance of Ems, or whether EB is an instance of natural/automatic (as in: without any external influence) Ems are different issues and not my focus now. I just want you to find out about Ems, so that we can discuss why I think EB is an instance of unguided Ems, any you can argue why it isn't.
Under genetic algorithms and real evolution, changes are gradual and minor (the theory, anyway). There are a number of factors that make such changes have an almost non-existent effect on the chances of the creature's survival above everyone else's.
Do genetic algorithms deal with the problem I presented? Namely that a multitude of harmful mutations will lie dormant together with one beneficial mutation - and the beneficial one only expressing itself at the same time as the many harmful mutations also will?
Yes, it is called genetic hitchiking in literature. It is a tradeoff, controlled by mapping and crossover operators; higher the probability of meaningful chunks staying together in an offspring(good thing) and persisting in population in time (another good thing), higher the probability of hitchiking (bad thing) and early convergence (a real bad thing.) But keep in mind that had there been no hitchiking as in all bad mutations are immediatly destroyed, a very early convergence is assured, degenerating the GA to hill climbing. Biological equivalent of early convergence is a single species in a single habitat, and not necessarily best fit one on the long term. The reverse of that is high mutation rates and splicing genes at positions that break coherent interpretation, which degenerates the GA to random searh. This has the biological analogy of subjecting sperms to almost lethal doses of radiation while hoping that the mutations will be somehow benefical for the baby.
Also do genetic algorithms represent changes in information rather than addition of information? When a genetic mutation occurs, it changes some already existing information, rather than being added. This is a serious question and not a criticism of genetic algorithms, because I don't know anything about this topic.
Yes they do. The plain vanilla GAs almost exclusively use both constant length genome representations, and a direct mapping thru a stateless function onto phenotype. Your critisim is valid in that case. GAs are usually used for static and closed problem solutions, like "there is one or many solutions, and we want to find one or some of them that fits these criteria." In a dynamic problem (such as survival in biology or game playing in AI) potential solutions are infinite and may change in time. Celular automata encodings, variable length phenotypes, evolution of genotype->phenotype mapping etc. are solutions to these. You also need a dynamic objective function, which suggests that even the "same" traits will have different effects over time and should be trated as such.
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!
It's not a hoax at all. It's terribly sad, but true, that there are people claiming to be Christians out there who are really so paranoid. Print doesn't do it justice. Until you have heard this sort of pablum expressed vocally, you just don't grasp that these guys are dead serious.
To quote one of their own, however, they're almost there--they can almost see the ridiculousness of their position. In the text, it talks about simulations of evolution on a created machine. Why can't evolution take place in a created universe? Wny are evolution and creationism mutually exclusive? It strikes me as though one answers the question "What happened?" and the other answers the question "How did it happen?"
Idiocy like this is part of the reason why I am no longer a Christian. I grant that these guys are fringers, but questioning them led to me questioning the whole shooting match, and drawing the conclusion that none of them know what they are talking about, regardless whether or not they are this paranoid.
This is, of course, my opinion as an agnostic (not to be confused with an atheist). I mean no disrespect to Christians. I subscribe to the Ghandian principle of equality of religion, based on the belief that no mortal can know all about God.
www.wavefront-av.com
Nah i already got karma of 48-50 range(changes daily) sure it'll go down after this one...
Dear friends,
... shaken man.
... MISLEAD!
I come to you today, a
All these years, you see, I thought I was living the life of one who... truly Believes... in the Way of Macintosh, the Way of the Apple II, the Way of... it matters not which Way I thought I was going. For it has been REVEALED to me -- I was
All this time, you see, I've been promoting "free" software, "shareware," even the EVILLE Gin-Uuue Pub-lick License. Though it was not until years later that I was drawn into the EVILLE FOLD of Richard Stallman's ways.
But I digress.
See, brethern and cistern, I thought that I had returned from that PATH of EVILLE, away from the GPL, away from the CANCER known as LINUX... only for it to be REVEALED that I WAS NOT SAVED!
No, today, I had a... shocking realization. I looked at my computer, at the logo that is etched in it as much as the CLAWS of SATAN had touched it -- and there I saw it -- the Apple.
This humble Apple is no humble Apple as it may seem.. it was a temptation from the GARDEN of EDEN! The Deville, Torvalds, must have sent it to me, to tempt me -- there could be no other way!
And although this Apple bears only one color -- it pretends to be WHITE, the color of all that is holy and good -- I realized, in my childhood, that the Apple of those days had SIX colors. SIX!
And let us think about this some more, the SIX COLORED APPLE.
My first computer, it was an Apple, the "Two Plus" they called it. (two is SIX divided by THREE!) this "Apple TWO Plus" bore a HUUUUGE Apple upon it. And above it.. there rested TWO MORE APPLES, EACH bearing the six-steeerip-ed Apple. Do you know what this put upon my machine?
This bore before me... three six-strpied Apples.
And do you know what this makes?
Six-striped Apple here. Another six-striped Apple here. And another Six-striped Apple here.
SIX SIX SIX!! THE NUMBER OF THEE BEAST!!!!
Indeed, when I looked upon my floppy disks, I found the Mark of Thee Beast -- MICROSOFT!
ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN AN EVILLE CABAL TO BRING ME INTO HIS GRASP!
And even now, I am tempted to return to the land of three Apples, with their salaciously tempting new iMac... pray for me, brethern!, that I do not FALL into HIS HANDS.
YOU SHALL NOT GET ME YET, GATES!
repenting now, sir,
-- haaz.
First off, understand that truepath.com is just a christian hosting service. They are not the ones saying this. The "member" in question (the one who runs "Objective") has been ranting about the Internet being a christian-founded network that should be purged of non-christian thoughts for a long time. The creationism section is run (in theory) by yet another guy who thinks that creationists won't be able to have a fair debate until they define thier own terms (you see, "species" is an evolutionist term... ignore the fact that the term pre-dates the theory of either evolution or natural selection or the origin of species).
;-)
Also, note that the folks ranting here seem unaware that their complaints about communist OSes are being made on a site which runs Linux/Apache
I think Christians can be, and usually are, good people. However, it really gets me hot under the collar when folks mis-use doctrin that millions hold sacred like this. It's shameless and someone ought to throw a pie at this nutter instead of Bill Gates!
Also on the humerous side, I just hit the front page and saw this:
Apple: Apple Deals with Devil [...]
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Heh.
the front page just now indicated a total of 666 comments for this story ... wonder what the 666th was - and who posted it, eh, eh? sadly, since then great 'first post reforms' of 2001 we can not tell (or at least not easily...). ok back to work.
I have to agree with you. Let me just say for the record that I have been raised very much Christian and I am a conservative Republican. That being said, if this guy is not a hoax, he is definitely a misinformed zealot. The guy doesn't even have his Biblical facts right (at no time does the Bible refer to Adam and Eve eating an "apple" -- in fact, I'm not totally positive about this, but I don't think the Bible uses the word apple aywhere). Whether this guy is for real or not, his article is a great example of everthing bad about people who claim to be "Christians," while the only doctrine they seem to preach is intolerance and hatred. Take your "rock" music for example. My wife was teaching third grade and had a student in her class that was being raised by such religious zealots. She used to turn on a Yanni CD while the kids were working quietly to help keep a quiet mood. One of the kids went home and told Mommy that the teacher was making them listen to some Devil non-Christian music in class. Mommy came and explained with her very best poor grammar that their family only listens to "Chrisian" music (because obviously a song is more spiritual than Yanni's soft music if it says "Jesus" somewhere -- even if said music is loud and obnoxious). A couple of weeks later, this same kid became unusually upset when he lost one of his "good behavior" tokens for the day. My wife tried to console him and tell him that he had five of them every day (fifteen for the week) and that losing one every now and then was no big deal. All of the kids lost a token every once in a while. By this time the kid was crying, but he finally managed to explain to her that if he lost any of his behavior tokens on a given day, he was not given dinner that night. By this time, my wife was downright pissed with these people, so she proceed to call the good Christian parents, arrange a meeting, and chew them out. Of course, they had a hard time dealing with an educated person, so they just lied, contradicted themselves several times, and finally she let them go.
Today's Sesame Street was brought to you by the number e.
Just scanned the index for the first time since this was the top article and saw underneath:
... at best punctuated equilibrium, but sometimes verging on mass extinction.
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Definitely needed that laugh.
Having managed to stash away a few ancient Macs last week which I grabbed for archive retrieval purposes, I would have thought there was precious little evidence of evolution in the Mac lineage
But if there is a prize, I could imagine worse than a new desk lamp.
-- Our systemic servants do not good masters make.
Mathematics are not "the science of numbers". It is about building a theory of axioms and theorems where nothing is unproved. You may be forgetting Godel's Incompleteness Theorem
Wrong, wrong, wrong.... I am *so* tired of hearing this.
You see, it's a THEORY, in the same vain that creationism is a theory.
Creationism is *not* a theory. It is not testable. It is not falsifiable. It is not predictive. There is no such thing as a "Scientific Theory of Creationism." Ask any long-time poster to talk.origins. They've been asking for one for years, and noone's ever offered one up that meets the actual criteria of being a theory.
Secondly, evolution is both a fact and a theory.
Sorry if I'm sounding harsh, but I see these same misconceptions all the time, and they drive me crazy sometimes.
Of cours--though I'd certainly include a twist of some kind . .
hawk
1) while the bottles may be sized in that evil metric system, we measure our wine and beer in God-fearing "ounces."
2) 30ml? that's two much for Communion, and far two little to drink.
hawk, just helping htings out
I read your article concerning evolution and the linking of certain computer operating systems and inferring their maniacal perversion of users into evolutionists. I am troubled by some of your logic and reasoning.
First let me introduce myself-- I am a believer in Jesus Christ. He is The Savior, the Son of God, and God Incarnate. He was virgin born and Perfect-- without sin. I was middle and high school educated in a Christian environment, and worked for many years in Christian ministries. I am politically conservative. Yes, I do work for NASA now; I am contractor that Administers unix servers for the Space Station project. I, and many other people who work for the Space Agency, are firm and out spoken believers who stress that Space Exploration can show the majesty of our creator. It does not imply that we are godless evolutionists looking for life, aliens, or any other such nonsense as you might want to infer.
Now...
The development name of the Apple OS X (or Ten) certainly was called Darwin. True. Somebody, some manager or Pointy-Haired Boss, decided that they would call the new OS (Operating System) Darwin because 1) it will be "the next best thing", 2) a great leap forward in computing. Yup, that certainly smacks of computer evolution. I would much rather they called it Genesis-- but that name is trademarked, so that's out.
But now the OS is released and for sale as "Darwin"? No, it's called OS X-- or Operating System 10. Apple's previous OS was 8-- so they skipped 9. Big deal. Should people burn their Macs and go buy Windows? No-- because using a piece of software does not effect their spiritual, mental, political (sould/mind/heart) processes in that way.
Think about the alternative. Windows. Did you know that Windows began working on their "next evolutionary Operating System" back in'92? Do you know what their Code Name was? Cairo. You presumeably use Windows-- at least 95 or 98 version since you don't like Macs or Unix. Did you know that a good deal of that OS is built on Cairo techonology? Does that make you an evolutionist? Does that make you an Islamic Terrorist? I don't think so.
Being an evolutionist is a heart/soul/mind condition. Not a favorite computer. Making a connection like that is just absurd.
You also stress that the Mac OS X is built on BSD technology. This is also true-- it is one of it's greatest strengths. Here is more fuel for your fire-- but the B in BSD stands for Berkely. Egads! That's the foundation of the LSD movement, wasn't it? That makes Mac users freaked out druggies, doesn't it? No.
Sun Microsystems also uses BSD technology in their Solaris operating systems. As does IBM in AIX, SGi, HP, and Linux. It was developed by AT&T waaaaay back in the 70's. It certainly is not obsolete. It is very powerful and extremely functional. That is why Microsoft and Apple are constantly integrating functionality from these environments into their systems.
Off the top of my head I can't remember why the services were called "daemons". I don't like it... but I take joy in the fact that I am often "terminating" daemons on machines with problems. It is rewarding... but I digress.
Using a name for a service type as reason to abhore a computing system is ridiculous. I, assuming that you do use Windows since that is the only other alternative to Mac or Unix, notice that you did not discuss Windows' Wizards. Shocking, really. Windows is constantly running little Wizards to help users configure their computer and setup this or that. We all know that Wizards are witches and Satan worshippers. So using your same arguments and assumptions, I can assume that you are an Islamic Terrorist Warlock. Very odd.
If all this were true, I don't think I would like you very much, Mr. Paley. But I would love you through Christ, and pray that you would come to know him. I would not attack you on your beliefs, or your computers. I certainly would not publish such irrational arguments about you.
I apologize for taking such an offense with you; I believe you are a good man and do not wish to attack you. I think your arguments were very weak and not well thought out. Your intentions were good and honorable. Your motive pure. The plan was faulted.
Instead of attacking people and their computers and operating systems, how about attacking the problem? The problem is not what computer they use, but how they use it. What they use it for. Mr. Dawkins' program written for Mac mentioned in your article could just as easily been written in Windows. Probably with minimal work, I could make it run in Windows or Unix. Attacking the people, I've noticed, is not very helpful either. It is ironic that that was what I used to make my point. I apologize for that and I hope my hypocrisy was not in vain. Reach out, touch and change hearts with God's Truth and Love... not attacking and tearing down people that still need to be saved.
I haven't the time or energy to talk about the Communist-freeware comparison. I like getting free software; I don't mind paying for something really good, but I like it even better when it is free. There is nothing wrong with someone giving away their code and programs. I find it admirable. There are people who make it their religion, but they need to be reached and loved in the same manner as any other man. Not attacked. Not called-names.
Thank you for time.
"You may all go to hell and I will go to Texas"
Sen. Davy Crocket to US Congress, Nov. 1, 1835
I often wonder how dumb fundies really are.. and this just goes to show you .. very ...
Oh and for the record I am not a athesist, I am a spiritualist..
Only 'flamers' flame!
"The Kingdom of Heaven is at Hand". He made that statement ~2,000 years ago and it is still true today. At hand = now. A great many of Jesus' sayings were recorded; very few made the editors' (James and Richard, IYKWIM) cuts. See The Gospel According to Mary Magdelene and The Gospel According to Thomas and you will understand how Jesus' teachings would have prevented all of the tyrannical governments of the last 2,000 years from coming into existence. Someone--Ezra Pound, maybe--said that the purpose of Christianity is to make good Roman citizens. I'm sure Jesus is still rolling over in his grave due to the endless perversion of his teachings by those who claim to be JHVH's authorities on Earth.
It seems much easier to tell everybody else that they will go to hell instead of reflecting on the teachings of your supposed Saviour. Don't forget that your belief system is one of many, and that the teachings have your Saviour have been perverted by Kings, Priests, and Politicians to now mean exactly the opposite of what He said.
"What is the sound of one belly slapping?"
I seem to recall a usenet group "alt.atheism.satire" (or something like that) which was, at one point anyway, dedicated largely to producing a non-stop stream of articles like this, spoofing/satiring "christian" culture and apologetics and theology.
The amount of vitriolic energy that was poured into that group was pretty amazing. A dozen such articles is a drop in the proverbial bucket.
Americans != Every individual American.
When someone says Americans are This or Americans are That, they are talking about the percieved public image of the average American. And (I am an American) Americans as a general rule are louder and more obnoxious than other cultures. That does not mean that each individual American is more obnoxious than each individual non American though.
Kintanon
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No, no. It's better than that. It's technically called the Flower Power iMac, but everyone calls it the Acid Trip iMac.
There should be a moratorium on the use of the apostrophe.
Max V.
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Except that the parent poster did in fact say that all Americans, without exception are more obnoxious, etc. than the rest of the world...he made the generalization, not me.
Liberal (adj.): Free from bigotry; open to progress; tolerant of others.
Oh, well in that case, he's a flaming moron...
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No, atheism is the belief in "no god" or gods. It is a specific anti-religion. It has nothing to do with science, except that some people who call themselves scientists also call themselves atheists.
Likewise monotheism does not denote a lack of belief in science.
Cause and effect, observable phenomena, hypothesis, data, theorem, proof, mathmatics. Neither belief system can claim "science" for its own. If the principle of atheism (disbelieve what is not proven) were extexded to science, there would be no atheist scientists.
How could Apple ask the Church Of Satan to remove their "Made With A Macintosh" logo? Whatever happened to "Think Different"? Fer Chris'sakes Woz & Jobs charged $666.66USD for their first computer! Obviously they are in League With The Devil!
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