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Scientists Grow Human Thymus From Stem Cells

knight_23 writes: "The Herald Sun reports that Australian researchers have grown a functioning thymus from stem cells. The thymus is a small organ that is critical to the immune system. Human trials could begin within two years."

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  1. Ewww by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    gross

  2. Cool by tsa · · Score: 2, Funny

    Cool! Maybe I'll live long enough to get my own new heart!

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    1. Re:Cool by NanoGator · · Score: 2

      "That'll bleed when my heart beats."

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    2. Re:Cool by Indomitus · · Score: 0, Troll

      I'm counting on science like this to replace most of my organs as they fail over time. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work either, this type of thing is advancing all the time. My plan is to live to be at least 120 so I can see the year 2100 but the dream is to live to 200. I'm pretty sure I'm going to need at least a couple of replacements through the years.

  3. Isn't this... by RoundTop-VJAS · · Score: 2, Interesting

    one of the parts that is affected by HIV? also, if this can be done..think of all those "bubble boys" that have reduced immune systems. This could be a VERY good thing.

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    1. Re:Isn't this... by mess31173 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They already fixed the bubble boy.

      So I don't think that that would be a practical application. Probably a better application would be for people with abnormalities or defects of the thymus.

    2. Re:Isn't this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Er, check your facts. HIV is not virulent enough to kill anything. In all probability it does not cause AIDS - instead having one of the diseases that are now being categorised as AIDS weakens the immune system enough for HIV to survive in the patient. The whole HIV thing is a triumph of marketing over commonsense. Look at the work of Prof Peter Duesberg - or for a more approachable account the essay "AIDS Heresy & the new bishops" by James Hogan in the book "Rockets Redheads & Revolution"

  4. Also from Australian researchers... by dmarien · · Score: 0

    teleportation!!!!

    article

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  5. yes, but... by TweeKinDaBahx · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will that new liver/lungs I wanted for christmas be plug and play compliant?

    1. Re:yes, but... by rhost89 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sorry, one thing that will never change is that plug and play will allways be plug and pray :)

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    2. Re:yes, but... by getter_85 · · Score: 0

      no, but there are WinXP and Linux drivers availible for the lung, penis, and heart (a driver for the brain to come out soon)

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  6. cloning and genetic engineering by Jacer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    it's sad.... all the resrictions imposed upon advancements of science are a result of conseratives fearful of playing god, the uneducated massess control the politicians with their ideas, or lack of rather. a preist says it's wrong, they say it's wrong, politicians say it's wrong, so it is wrong, right? wrong! i'm for any medical advancement that saves the lives of people, but i guess my $0.02 is worth the same as the twits i disagree with...

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    1. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by damu · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately its not the ignorant people, but more than anything a religious stand point against this. I am all for control, but not for denying the technology to advance, because at the end the only ones hurting themselves is us, for technology always shines through no matter what/who.
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    2. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no one is impressed with "technology" such as this. i've got a great new idea that will save lots of lives: i'll kill one person to save another. whoopee. not to mention the whole "kill the young to save the old" aspect. notice preterition.

    3. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by joshsisk · · Score: 1

      Uh, you can get stem cells without killing anyone.

    4. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you can get stem cells without killing anyone.

      Too bad that's not what scientists seem to be focusing on.

      Even though tons of stem cells can be recovered from placentas and umbilical cords, the abortion industry is going nuts making a product out of embryonic stem cells.

      I note that this article didn't seem to mention exactly where the scientists got their stem cells.

    5. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by vladedivac · · Score: 1

      I don't know if it's already been said, but if I'm dying (or a loved one is), bring on the stem cells, pig hearts, or whatever else is gonna do the trick. I don't really care about the hippies and their posterboard signs say. ~Vlade

    6. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And bone marrow. You can get it them from bone marrow. I'm too lazy, but there is an older /. article on just how MANY stem cells can be harvested from a persons marrow, and it's LOTS.

    7. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by plastic_heaven · · Score: 1

      I don't think most conservatives are "fearful of playing god", but more likely are concerned about some of the ramifications of these new technologies. Fetal stem cells are a hot debate because some believe that the unborn have the same rights as the born. It's got nothing to do with the technology per se, but the possible killing of children who have no say in the matter. You can froth on about whether you believe one side or the other, but generally when people of whatever stripe believe that rights are being trampled on they get rightfully upset and demand some sort of safty mechanisms for those they believe to be denied of rights.

    8. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by tgibbs · · Score: 2
      It's got nothing to do with the technology per se, but the possible killing of children who have no say in the matter.
      Give me a break. Embryonic stem cells come from an undifferentiated ball of cells. No brain, no nerves, no senses. An embryo at this stage has about as much in common with a human being, medically and scientifically speaking, as dandruff. Now some people believe that there is a magic, undetectable "soul" in that ball of cells. And some people believe that cow in the stockyard might be their dead grandmother. I wouldn't deny either the right to their beliefs, no matter how absurd they might sound to the nonbeliever. But when they start demanding that we stop medical research that might rescue real, thinking people who are desperately in need, it is time to draw the line.
    9. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by plastic_heaven · · Score: 1

      I guess you didn't read the last sentence. Froth away if you like, I was just trying to point out that it's not fear but concern (whether misguided or not is obviously going to be up for debate).

    10. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, you can get stem cells without killing anyone.

      And I know hundreds of conservatives (including many religious fundamentalists). Not a single one of them is opposed to stem cell research that doesn't involve stem cells harvested by other (non-fetal) means. Like it or not, a lot of people believe that babies are still living, geticially unique humans even before they are born, and that they shouldn't be used as spare parts stores for the rest of humanity.

    11. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by Tardigrade · · Score: 1

      Conservatives only jump on stem cells and Climate Change. Liberals jump on GM foods/animals, nuclear power (with MOX fuel from breeders).

      Personally, I take issue with both camps.

    12. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Screw that, use the spare parts. Until a creature is fully developed, it isn't anything but a lump of flesh. If an abortion is *already* going to take place, why not "recycle" what you can in the process? For if you believe that an unborn baby is a life, then surely you must believe that any individual part of that baby is also a life.

    13. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give me a break. Embryonic stem cells come from an undifferentiated ball of cells. No brain, no nerves, no senses

      Wrong. Cell specialization occurs within days; otherwise the entire embryo would be stem cells.

    14. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by dbrutus · · Score: 1, Troll

      Conservatives are just fine with stem cell research from adult stem cells. In terms of real, measurable progress, adult stem cells seem to be providing more practical benefits (people staying alive longer through treatment today) than embryonic stem cell treatments which seem to court an awful big risk of rejection and are likely to stick you with large immunosuppression drug bills for the rest of your life. Embryonic stem cells do seem to have the advantage of making abortion and pharmeceutical companies more profitable but I don't see how that leads to a superior moral position but the liberals sure seem to think so which is why they make up lies like conservatives are against all stem cell research when the reality is they just like the better kind.

      Unfortunately, the article doesn't seem to say which kind of stem cells (adult or embryonic) were used in the experiment so the political jihad will have to take a small time out for the facts to catch up.

      Darn.

    15. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Screw that, use the spare parts. Until a creature is fully developed, it isn't anything but a lump of flesh

      Children don't fully develop until their late teens or early twenties. I assume you're just being an idiot rather than actually believing that. Or do you really thing that seconds before a child is born it is a mass of "conception tissue" that magically becomes a baby when air hits it?

    16. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know, eh? If we just sacraficed a few babies, we could be saving lives!

    17. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by poopsie · · Score: 1

      I think any legislator who is opposed to cloning, stem cells, etc. for whatever reason should be forbidden to benefit from them if/when they become viable methods to fix human ailments.

      Ten years from now, when every malfuctioning body part can be replaced, lets see how eager they are to outlaw such things.

    18. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh, the embryo is defined by the point when the cells _begin_ to specialize, which takes about 14 days in humans.

      The term "embryonic stem cells" actually is a misnomer carried over from mouse work, human "embryonic" stem cells are actually extracted from the blastomere, which consists generic, unspecialized cells.

      The technical terms are "totipotent" for the cells formed by the zygote, which can become anything, "pluripotent" for the cells from the blastomere, which can become just about any cell type, and multipotent for cells such as bone marrow stem cells, which can become a couple different kinds of cells.

    19. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      off topic, but ...

      but i guess my $0.02 is worth the same as the twits i disagree with...

      You have pointed out the major flaw in democracy here, that idiots have too much power. In the UK if you are medically declared an imbecile, you are not allowed to vote - the reasoning being that you have no idea what you are doing. The same reasoning is behind why you have to wait until you are 18, so that you can fully appreciate the decision you are making.

      Unfortunately intellect and common sense are not black and white areas, there is every level in between, so isn't the correct course of action to weight peoples vote by some measure of intellect?

    20. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by debrain · · Score: 2

      Introducing killer bees and African Lady Bugs were also in the name of science. Just $0.02 from the other side of the coin.

    21. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it looks like "adult" stem cells (well, stem cells harvested from some living human host after birth) were used in this procedure.

      If you read very carefully you'll notice that they mention that "thymus stem cells" were implanted in a kidney for growth. Since embryonic stem cell research typically tries to harvest pluripotent cells early in the development of the child (before stem cells have differentiated) it would seem that this research did not use stem cells from embryos. Assuming the description of the stem cells used as "thymus stem cells" is accurate.

      Of course this is relying upon the media to report the facts correctly, so that this with a very small grain of salt...

    22. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by fmaxwell · · Score: 2

      but the possible killing of children who have no say in the matter.

      I don't think that any bioethicist, researcher, or doctor has ever advocated killing babies for their stem cells. What the right wing has done is prohibit the harvesting of stem cells from aborted fetuses because they would rather have sick and crippled people suffer than run the dreaded (to them) risk of having something positive come from an abortion.

    23. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The DNA in this "undifferentiated ball of cells" is unique. That's the problem for conservatives.

    24. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Babies don't become sentient for at least a year until after they are born.

    25. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by tgibbs · · Score: 2
      The DNA in this "undifferentiated ball of cells" is unique. That's the problem for conservatives.
      What's so special about unique DNA? Every sperm and egg has unique DNA, and any pair contains enough unique DNA to make a unique baby. Besides, would you argue than an identical twin--who doesn't have unique DNA--is somehow less of an individual or less of a human being than a singleton?
    26. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by doc_side · · Score: 0

      every sperm is special...

      thus sayeth Monty Python: Meaning of life

    27. Re:cloning and genetic engineering by Squiffy · · Score: 1

      As a U.S. citizen, all I have to say is this: If stem cell research continues its decline into prohibition here, we're going to have a disgusting situation. The U.S. is likely toappropriate whatever life-saving procedures are developed as a result of stem cell research, regardless of the supernatural rationale some people use to argue for its abolishment. Outcome: hypocrisy. On the other hand, if such medical technology maintains its stigma, we'll have people spending a lot of money in other countries, money that could be spent here. America will also strengthen its reputation as a country full of backwater hicks, as news about patients who cross oceans to get work done reaches the media. Outcome: Capital flight, supreme idiocy.

  7. ignore the obvious signs of flamebait by getter_85 · · Score: 0

    gee... controversy at its worst... a Thymus!

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  8. But can they... by papasui · · Score: 2, Funny

    Grow John Bobbitt a replacement penis?

    1. Re:But can they... by getter_85 · · Score: 0

      I bet...

      imagine that... a reversal procedure for castration

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    2. Re:But can they... by WellHungYungWun · · Score: 1

      Grow him another one, I've seen the uncut movie. Where do I send the paypal donation?

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  9. Impressive by Joel+Ironstone · · Score: 1

    This is truly amazing. I don't understand how people can be so against a technology which is so obviously going to save many many lives. Perhaps the pro-life anti-stem cell people should be the ones we call baby killers, as without these new technologies so many lives will be lost. A new Thymus! Who'd of thunk?

    1. Re:Impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      perfect liberal logic: failing to save someone == killing. didn't you watch the last episode of seinfeld?

    2. Re:Impressive by Joel+Ironstone · · Score: 1

      Since when is action worse than inaction? The act of legislating against these techniques is killing, failure to legislate at all is inaction.

    3. Re:Impressive by Stonehand · · Score: 2

      When it's ill-considered action that's not rationally justified by a situation, that's when. Acting without thought is often a far worse option than waiting and considering.

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    4. Re:Impressive by Joel+Ironstone · · Score: 1

      My point was that legislating against these things was as you say "not rationally justified by a situation". Waiting and considering was what was not done. Stem cell use was legal until made otherwise.

    5. Re:Impressive by quasi_steller · · Score: 1

      You fail to realize that pro-life activists are NOT anti-stem cell reaserch. They are anti-embryonic stem cell research. There is much reasearch in the area of stem cells that are taken from adults. Most pro-lifers have absolutly no problem with this. You are very decieved if you believe that pro-life activists are anti-stem cell research, as the liberals would have you believe.

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    6. Re:Impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So let me get this straight, "conservatives" and "democrats" are just bumbling idiots that throw shit at each other while everyone else tries to get work done, right? You certainly impressed me with your response! Time to vote Republican!

    7. Re:Impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact is that embryonic stem cells are known to be useful, whereas adult stem cells are not known to be useful and may never be useful.
      The debate comes in because some people say "using embryonic stem cells is a crime, therefore we should experiment on adult cells instead."
      The other side says "Using embryonic stem cells is NOT a crime, therefore experimenting on adult cells is a big waste of time!!!"
      So, you try to say there is no debate, but what is your point? There is a debate, if you word it specifically enough. Which you should have done instead of making me do it.

  10. The thymus shuts down after puberty? by gwizah · · Score: 1

    Can anyone explain why this is? In my basic understanding of the immune system, I thought the body needed T-cells to hunt down and bind themselves to unwanted invaders so that macrophages could gobble them up. Does our body contain a set amount of T-cells for a lifetime? Or is there some other process that creates them?

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    1. Re:The thymus shuts down after puberty? by herrd0kt0r · · Score: 2, Informative

      basically, there are T cells and B cells (i won't even get into the Mr. T-cells in this post-- though i've mentioned them in another post). the precursors for these are made very early in life, either in the fetal liver or yolk sac, or later in bone marrow.

      these precursors differentiate, or "grow up" in the thymus. basically, they're "taught" how to work. hmn. i just re-read your post. i'll cut to the chase:

      tons and tons of each type of cell precursor are made. the typical lifespan of T-cells is thought to be in the period of months to years. "memory" T cells, in particular, are thought to have very long lifespans in the range of "many" years.

      it is important to note that production of precursors does _not_ halt: they are constantly produced in the bone marrow. also, the thymus doesn't poof entirely-- it maintains function, though it shrinks tremendously in size as we get older.

    2. Re:The thymus shuts down after puberty? by gwizah · · Score: 1

      Ah...Forgot about the bone marrow. he article fails to mention that the thymus is still somewhat active later in life.

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    3. Re:The thymus shuts down after puberty? by thesnowdog · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your understanding of T cells is correct. However, T cells mature from the basic stem cell in the thymus during childhood. Without a thymus (or a dysfunctional thymus), the body will not have any fully-functional T cells. This results in a vulnerability to devastating viral infections that you or I would fight off in about a week.

      Krishna

    4. Re:The thymus shuts down after puberty? by Lux · · Score: 1

      The specific immune system is a really complex beast, and what gets built where and when is probably missing the point.

      This page:
      http://www.jdaross.mcmail.com/lymphatics6.h tm
      explains the function of the thymus.

      It sounds like it doesn't shut down, but people might still be interested in having a thymus replacement every once in a while just to keep it fresh.

      Possible consequences: loss of your immune response memory. It seems like lymphocytes retire there and protect you from the stuff they were good at killing in their youth. If you replaced your thymus, you'd probably be susceptible to chicken pox (and worse) again if it wasn't done very carefully.

      But the T-lymphocyes come from the red blood marrow, not the thymus, which is a direct answer to your question, but isn't very useful. :)

      I'm pretty sure T-lymphocyte refers both to helper T cells (what you just referred to as T-Cells) and killer T cells (which are macrophages.) Actually, I think that statement might be inaccurate. I seem to recall that there are something like five or six types of T cells with subtle distinctions, so some killers may or may not be macrophages, and vice versa. Once again: the specific immune system is a complex beast.

    5. Re:The thymus shuts down after puberty? by spiro_killglance · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Possible consequences: loss of your immune response memory. It seems like lymphocytes retire there and protect you from the stuff they were good at killing in their youth. If you replaced your thymus, you'd probably be susceptible to chicken pox (and worse) again if it wasn't done very carefully."

      That could be a very good thing. Because in
      auto-immune disease (MS, arthiritis and many
      more), the immune system has learned to attack
      the wrong things and busy causing you pain or is
      even killing you.

  11. An interesting related story.. by Jonathan+Swift · · Score: 0, Troll

    Some of you might be interested in a related study (published in Nature ) which made headlines last summer.

    Summary: Dr Freda Miller and colleagues at the Centre for Neuronal Survival and the Brain Tumour Research Centre at the Montreal Neurological Institute, McGill University, have isolated stem cells from the dermis of adult rodents that will proliferate and differentiate in culture to produce very different cell types- neurons, glia, smooth muscle cells, and fat cells. These novel stem cells, SKPs, were isolated from the skin of juvenile and adult rodents -- an accessible on-embryonic source. Human studies have indicated that similar cells are present inadult human skin. "We believe our discovery is important as we have identified an exciting new stem cell from a non-controversial source that holds considerable promise for scientific and therapeutic research," says Dr Freda Miller.

  12. Better than.... by billstr78 · · Score: 1

    This process is probably a lot quicker that cloning myself and waiting for my other self to grow old enough for it to become an organ doner.

  13. Little FYI on the THY: by damu · · Score: 5, Informative

    The functions of the thymus were not well understood until the early 1960s, when its role in the development of the body's system of immunity was discovered. Beginning during fetal development, the thymus processes many of the body's lymphocytes, which migrate throughout the body via the bloodstream, seeding lymph nodes and other lymphatic tissue. The main cells undergoing this processing are the T cells, a heterogeneous groups of cells essential in protecting the body against invasions by foreign organisms. If the thymus fails to develop or is removed early in fetal life, the immune system cannot develop completely. Normally, by the time the infant is a few months old, the immune system has sufficiently formed so as to function throughout life. However, further growth and development of lymphoid tissue still depends on intervention by the thymic cells. After the initial seeding process, the thymus releases a hormonal substance that stimulates further growth of lymphoidal tissue, although such a substance has not yet been isolated.
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    1. Re:Little FYI on the THY: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could have typed:

      http://www.bartleby.com/65/th/thymusgl.html

    2. Re:Little FYI on the THY: by spagma · · Score: 1

      Would this be considered plagerism, since it was shamelessly ripped from another site and pasted into your post? At the very least, you could have given credit to where you copied it from. Or even give put some kind of opinion in with it.

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    3. Re:Little FYI on the THY: by damu · · Score: 1

      actually you will find this exact same quote in about 2-3 different sites, none of them giving a original author I decided to just put it like this, google the term and you will see for yourself.

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    4. Re:Little FYI on the THY: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually you will find this exact same quote in about 2-3 different sites, none of them giving a original author I decided to just put it like this, google the term and you will see for yourself.

      I put a sentence from this text into google and it only came up with two pages, only one of which worked. The one that worked contained a copyright notice at the bottom, acknowledging the encyclopedia from which it came. Your post, of course, does not. Plagarism.

    5. Re:Little FYI on the THY: by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      Just because you don't know who wrote it you think it's not plagiarism? That's like kids who take something and their defense is "I didn't know whose it was." Well, you knew it wasn't yours, didn't you?

    6. Re:Little FYI on the THY: by pmind · · Score: 1

      If the thymus is the main part of the immunity system, and supposing that you can get a brand new thymus. Does that mean that someone who gets a new thymus will get all diseases because his immunity system does not "recognize" the diseases? Like an anti-virus that doesn't have the new "virus list" ;)

      Damn .. i don't want to connect to symantec each day.

    7. Re:Little FYI on the THY: by aswang · · Score: 2

      The new thymus won't necessarily affect existing immunity, as mature T cells hang out in the blood. (And immunity normally wears off anyway since T cells have finite life spans.) The bigger problem is that, unless the stem cells from which the new thymus are derived from are perfect HLA matches with the existing immune system, graft vs. host disease is likely to occur.

    8. Re:Little FYI on the THY: by aswang · · Score: 2

      The thymus is only really necessary for the maturation of T cells which takes place in early life. T cells are actually continuously produced by stem cells in the bone marrow. Once mature, T cells generally reside in the peripheral blood and in lymph nodes. While the thymus does secrete cytokines that promote lymphoid proliferation, there are other organs/tissue types like lymph nodes and bone marrow that can also supply the necessary substances.

    9. Re:Little FYI on the THY: by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 2

      I've read other research which seems to suggest that many peoples' allergic reactions are due to an immature immune system (possibly due to an "overly-sterile" environment while growing up which doesn't challenge the immune system enough to make it mature). Perhaps the thymus is "going into hibernation" in many allergy sufferers before it has fully matured the proper T-cells? If so, would it be possible to "fix up" our malfunctioning immune system by temporarily reactiving the function of our thymus?

  14. Stem sells? by ngtni · · Score: 1

    Try stem cells.

    1. Re:Stem sells? by Dutchmaan · · Score: 2

      It's obvious that our corporate culture has even infected slashdot...

      The scary part is: "Stem sells" is probably just as valid.

  15. Umbilical Stem Cells by Yoda2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is too bad that more hospitals aren't allowing the donation of umbilical stem cells (stem cells collected from cord blood). They are largely an untapped resource and are usually considered PC even in the most conservative camps.

    1. Re:Umbilical Stem Cells by TweeKinDaBahx · · Score: 1

      But if you do that, you can't eat what's left of the embryo when you're done.

      mmmm... embryo...

    2. Re:Umbilical Stem Cells by lobsterGun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even though the hospital may not support fetal stem cell donation, that does not stop you from banking the cells yourself. There are commercial services that will bank these cells for you for a resasonable fee. ViaCord and CBR are two such services.

      I chose CBR for my son. I pray that he never needs the cells, but if he does, they will be there.

    3. Re:Umbilical Stem Cells by enkidu55 · · Score: 1

      I thought that umbilical blood stem cells were not of the same quality as those collected from fetal tissue and that was why they were not really being researched for use. (PC) Comments aside, am I wrong in this? Or was I just dreaming

    4. Re:Umbilical Stem Cells by dbrutus · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Same quality? Sorry, using your own adult stem cells is the way to go for two reasons

      1. Since their genetically identical, you don't have to worry about rejection and immune suppressors for the rest of your life. Adult stem cell procedures are a one time cost. Fetal cell procedures are a continuing cost.
      2. You don't have to enhance the profitability of big abortion. The abortion industry makes good money off of baby body parts. No thanks.

    5. Re:Umbilical Stem Cells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong!!! They are not the same quality, and not "the way to go". Adult stem cells have already been programmed to grow into a specific kind of tissue. This is why embryonic stem cells, especially cloned ones, are much better. They can grow into any kind of tissue. Also, and this is important, adult stem cells have only been found for very, very few organs in the body. They are extremely difficult to locate, if they're able to be found at all. Cloned embryonic stem cells are as simple to find as getting a skin cell and an egg. I don't think adult stem cells are as 'potent' as embryonic either. I'm sure I read this somewhere, but can't remember why. Anyhow, you should listen to scientists, not politicians and religious activists.

    6. Re:Umbilical Stem Cells by dbrutus · · Score: 2

      Funny, adult stem cells seem to be plentiful in fat and have been coaxed into transforming themselves into many other types of cells.

      Embryonic stem cells will always be genetically different from you and will be subject to attack by your immune system unless they're in immune isolated areas (eyes, gonads) or you take immunosuppressants which means big bucks to the pharma companies for the rest of your life.

      I'd rather have a bit of liposuction and use my own.

  16. I've been needing one of those by cardshark2001 · · Score: 1

    I think I misplaced mine! I hope they don't take too long to grow because I'm really starting to miss it, and my friends are making fun of me.

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  17. cha-ching! by theEdgeSMAK · · Score: 1

    How much cash do you think they would pay to let them grow a couple test thymus' in me?

  18. Best quote... of DEATH! by Dirtside · · Score: 4, Funny
    "Without a functioning immune system you get a disease called death," he said.
    This sounds like one of those quotes from sensationalistic sci-fi pulp novels... "He found himself in a world of mayhem... and death!"

    Not that that's a bad thing, mind you. I just hope we don't end up with giant killer thymuses (thymi? nah) rampaging through downtown Cleveland. Again.

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    "Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
    1. Re:Best quote... of DEATH! by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 2

      wow, the guy that said that is the same guy that grew the thymus? I would think he would know that death is a condition, a state of being, not a disease. Though I can see how he was trying to be humorous (I sure hope).

    2. Re:Best quote... of DEATH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would think he would know that death is a condition, a state of being, not a disease

      Well golly gee Vern, that der doctor went to school for 28 years, en he dunt know whit det is.

      Come on, are you serious? If so, you have officially made the most inane post I have ever read on Slashdot.

    3. Re:Best quote... of DEATH! by CaseyB · · Score: 2
      Wouldn't death technically be a syndrome?

      The difference between a syndrome and a disease is that a disease is a health condition with a clearly identifiable cause while a syndrome is a set of symptoms which define the health condition without a single cause on which to place the blame. Thus a cold is a disease because a viral infection can be identified as the cause.

    4. Re:Best quote... of DEATH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no. Hasn't anyone played Anachronox?

      "I shall kill you....WITH DEATH!"

    5. Re:Best quote... of DEATH! by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 1

      didn't have the guts to post with your real info, huh?

    6. Re:Best quote... of DEATH! by why-is-it · · Score: 2

      wow, the guy that said that is the same guy that grew the thymus? I would think he would know that death is a condition, a state of being, not a disease.

      Wouldn't it be more correct to define death as a state of non-being rather than a state of being?

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    7. Re:Best quote... of DEATH! by sacrilicious · · Score: 2

      I was a little disappointed by this and other quotes, which are kind of humorous but also sound somewhat more like marketing-speak than the statements of a dedicated scientist at the cusp of serious medical and ethical issues. "Going weak in the knees", "disease called death", "fountain of youth", "missing link/final piece"... these are all rather flamboyant statements, and in some cases rather hard to substantiate. What has been achieved does sound very impressive, but the article leaves me wondering about whether there is a lot of hype in this case for the purpose of obtaining further funding, getting lucrative contracts, or perhaps even self-gratification?

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    8. Re:Best quote... of DEATH! by Ravagin · · Score: 2

      (thymi? nah)

      We-eelll... it comes from a latin word, theoretically, so thymi is the "proper" plural. On the other hand, that word is from a greek adjective, "thymos." So who the hell knows.

      (dork dork dork, aiee)

      --

      Karma: T-rexcellent.

    9. Re:Best quote... of DEATH! by g4dget · · Score: 2
      Not all Latin words ending in "-us" have a plural of "-i"; for some the nominative plural is "-us" (long "u"). And "thymus" comes from the Greek, not Latin anyway. For "virus" and "thymus", "viruses" and "thymuses" are the only acceptable plurals in English anyway.

      If you start attaching Latin plurals to English words, you better be prepared to use the cases correctly, as in: "Less than a century ago, scientists discovered the viros. And per viris, they will be able to perform gene therapy. The genomes virorum are generally small and easily manipulated." Let's just stick with the English endings, OK?

  19. Two more years?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My thymus got lopped off five years ago in a boating accident. Way to tease me.

    1. Re:Two more years?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was no boating accident...

  20. Re:20 second rule, I damn thee! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wtf is CLiT ?

  21. Re:first the teleporting lasers, now this by Joel+Ironstone · · Score: 1

    That was funny. I disagree with the mod there. Damn Aussie's. Next they'll start making claims about some kind of animal with a pouch or something.

  22. immunity is fountain of youth? by synshyne · · Score: 1

    "Professor Boyd referred to the thymus as the fountain of youth."

    So does this mean that within a few more studies of stem cell research we can make ourselves immortal? If theres a way we cant get sick and everything by enhancing stem cells and cloning them..then isnt there a way we can use stem cells to slow down the aging process or something like that.....

    gimme some of that Thymus magical juice...bottoms up!! Ahhhh.....Thymus the immortal maker! (cheesy smile and hearty laugh...knowing i'm not going to get paid for advertising somethin that wont exist....or will it?)

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    -Alicia
    1. Re:immunity is fountain of youth? by Eric+Damron · · Score: 1

      "So does this mean that within a few more studies of stem cell research we can make ourselves immortal? "

      Be honest. How many of you really want an immortal mother-in-law?

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    2. Re:immunity is fountain of youth? by Telecommando · · Score: 3, Funny

      The world doesn't need a fountain of youth.
      What we need is a fountain of SMART.

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  23. But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  24. What next? by pc_plod · · Score: 3, Funny

    Come back and tell me when they can grow a Shakey's Pizza

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  25. Re:Not first post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you stupid? Mozilla 1.0 rendered this page in less than a second on my PIII-733. You sure that's not 4MB of ram you fucking troll?

  26. Re:20 second rule, I damn thee! by TweeKinDaBahx · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    YOU DARE SPEAK OF CLIT AS AN AC?

    You will die a thousand deaths by way of tubgirl

  27. Impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this IS definitely more impressive than growing a Thymallus thymallus from a single cell.

    (P.S. Thymallus thymallus is the scientific name for the salmon related fish species Grayling which occurs in the cold waters of Europe and elsewhere.)

  28. MOD THIS UP -- INTERESTING INFO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a really interesting post. There's no reason for it to be modded down.

    What kind of crack are the mods smoking today?

    1. Re:MOD THIS UP -- INTERESTING INFO by TweeKinDaBahx · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      this crack.

  29. Wrong focus? by Dirtside · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It seems that the Herald Sun's article is focusing on how great the thymus is, and all the nifty things it can do -- when the real breakthrough is the fact that they GREW A FRICKIN' FUNCTIONING ORGAN FROM STEM CELLS. Jesus Christ! Move this tech over to the heart, liver, kidneys, whatever, and NOW you've got the "holy grail of immunology". Yeah, I realize it's a lot of work to do something like this, and requires specialized effort and development for different organs, but if the basic technology works... ay caramba.

    Maybe I'm missing something, and this isn't as big a deal as I think it is... but if it is...

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    "Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
    1. Re:Wrong focus? by halftrack · · Score: 1

      Oh ... I thought it was an ad. Take one thy' pay for two scammish thing. Thymices.com

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      Look a monkey!
    2. Re:Wrong focus? by GigsVT · · Score: 1, Insightful

      holy grail of immunology

      Interesting implications of that.

      Moral Hazard.

      I think at some point, if it isn't already happening, people will start taking larger chances with their bodies and health, because of this insurance policy.

      While I think the research is great, and should continue, it should be interesting to see if people start really living longer and healthier, or after a point, people just become complacent with their health, trusting technology to fix them if something goes wrong.

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    3. Re:Wrong focus? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Thymii.

      (It's not a thymex. Though that would be a cool product tie-in. "Thakes a licking and keeps on thicking!")

    4. Re:Wrong focus? by beme · · Score: 1

      I'm already there. Sitting on my butt for 9-10 hours a day, not blinking nearly enough, only increasing the heart rate through gaming, etc. I've been counting on science to save my fat ass for years now.

      Go go go! Stem cells! Stem cells!

      Whew..*pant*... enough cheering.. time for a soda.

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      -beme
      1971
    5. Re:Wrong focus? by tshak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good post. I really hope that we find a cure for AIDS and many of the cancers that we have. However, I think we spend way too much money on said research, and not enough on preventative research. For example, it is commonly known that many cancers are caused by bad diet, radioactive exposure, and toxic chemicals (many found in pesticides, plastics, cigarrettes, and other polutants). AIDS is also most commonly spread as a STD. These are all solveable problems with the right plans and cultural changes in place. Again, I really hope that we find cures for as many cancers as possible, and a cure for AIDS, but in America we focus way too little on prevention.

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    6. Re:Wrong focus? by junkgrep · · Score: 2

      They've already grown and transplanted functioning bladders to. The reason why this is less exciting then one would expect is that these organs are of a relatively simple structure: either just a big bag, or a clump of similar cells. Making them was just a process of either inducing them to divide correctly, or in the case of the bladder, growing it on a simple lattice. That's nothing like what it would take to make the cells form a functioning heart, or a lung, or a liver.

    7. Re:Wrong focus? by Dan+D. · · Score: 2
      Move this tech over to the heart, liver, kidneys, whatever, and NOW you've got the "holy grail of immunology"

      Leave it to a software guy to claim the fix of the problem is to upgrade the hardware underneath! :) What a kludge this "human" software must be... (I'm not even going to mention the security concerns with all its open ports!)

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      People who quote themselves bug the crap out of me -- Me.
  30. Re:it's official! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    taste great

    less filling

    taste great

    less filling

  31. Slashdotted! by billstr78 · · Score: 1, Redundant


    IN a world first, Melbourne scientists have successfully grown an organ from stem cells.

    A team from Monash Medical School grew a functioning thymus, a small organ that is critical to the immune system. Human trials could begin within two years.
    Stem cells are the body's building blocks and have unlimited capacity to grow and replace all the cells within a particular tissue or organ.

    "When I realised what we had finally done after 15 years of research, I went weak at the knees," Professor Richard Boyd said.

    He said understanding the thymus, located near the heart, was the holy grail of immunology.

    Professor Boyd believes the discovery will be an important part of a cure for many diseases of the immune system such as cancer, AIDS, multiple sclerosis and diabetes. It should also help prevent rejection in people who have an organ transplant.

    Professor Boyd referred to the thymus as the fountain of youth.

    "Without a functioning immune system you get a disease called death,"he said.

    "This organ, along with bone marrow, is the engine room of the immune system.

    "It is the key to good health because without it, the body has no protection against any viruses."

    Professor Boyd said despite its importance for immunity, the thymus went into hibernation naturally once humans reach puberty.

    "This may be why many auto-immune diseases such as multiple sclerosis and cancers and infections increase in adults."

    Professor Boyd said his team, led by Dr Jason Gill, was working on rebuilding the immune system by "rebooting" the thymus into action.

    The Monash scientists put thymus stem cells into the kidney cavity of a mouse.

    "To see the thymus grow, complete and working, was exciting," Professor Boyd said.

    "We were looking at the missing link, that final piece of the jigsaw."

    Professor Boyd said the mouse immune system was similar to a human's.

    "The clinical trials indicate that the human thymus responds in the same way as a mouse, which is why we are confident this will translate very easily to humans," he said.

    The thymus produces, educates and distributes special white cells called T lymphocytes (T-cells) which help to controlthe immune system and fight infection.

    But T-cells are destroyed when cancer patients undergo chemotherapy and also by the AIDS virus. The cellsare also suppressed in people who have had organ transplants.

    There has been limited success with thymus transplants, which are usually rejected by recipients. Stem cell therapy may offer a more reliable alternative.

    Professor Boyd said he was confident the transition from animal to human clinical trials would be quick - "because it has to be".

    He said the discovery fits "beautifully" with the global picture of Melbourne as a world leader in stem cell research.

    "This really is a Melbourne story. It was created by Melbourne scientists and its international commercial capabilities are being explored by Norwood Abbey, a Melbourne-based biotechnology company that has exclusive rights to the science."

    Professor Boyd said the international science journal Nature Immunology would publish details of the research today.

    1. Re:Slashdotted! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      karma-whore!!!

      karma-whore!!!

      karma-whore!!!

      YES I too can break the fileter....

      bobbies!

    2. Re:Slashdotted! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a worlds not really first, billstr78 tried to karma whore!

  32. Superior Alternative to Transplants and Synthetics by SirKodiak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From science fiction, the impression I always got was that the way handle the failure of a heart was either going to be transplant from a donor or the use of synthetic organs (e.g. artificial hearts). This seems like a more impressive technology, allowing the body to grow its own replacement, and a more natural one, by eliminating the risk of rejection of artificial substances or organs grown in a different body.

    I did find some of the quotes from Professor Boyd somewhat melodramatic, though: "Without a functioning immune system you get a disease called death,"he said.

    Still, an amazing discovery. Good luck to those doing cutting edge medical research.

  33. politcal debate by redtoade · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Before we get 100 posts telling us that stem cell research is being held up by whacko Chrisitian right wing bible thumpers...

    May I remind you that there are hundreds of Sci-Fi stories (books, TV, movies, etc...) debating the creation of an UNDERCLASS! Whether this be robots, animals, races or CLONES!!!

    Space - Above and Beyond (FOX TV) "Tanks," human clones and "AIs"
    Star Trek TNG: Data/Lor. And those stupid mouse looking robots that could synthesis their own tools.
    Asimov I, Robot: self-explanatory
    Max Headroom: body harvesters
    Brave New World: alphas.

    Any others? Feel free to add a few if you can think of them... I don't have time (I'm at work) to list all of the ones that I can think of, so please help out.

    Anyway, I hate the idea of stem cell research. And I'm a self-proclaimed atheist. It's only a matter of time before somebody connects "test tube baby" technology with "cloning" technologies and grows their own stem cells from human fetuses.

    Isn't this the creation of an underclass of humans whos purpose it is to serve the higher classes?

    1. Re:politcal debate by Kenja · · Score: 4, Insightful
      So because you saw on TV a show where clones where treated as slaves we shouldn't grow new livers for people who are going to die without one?

      The hell?

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      "Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
    2. Re:politcal debate by damu · · Score: 1

      Space - Above and Beyond (FOX TV) "Tanks," human clones and "AIs"
      Star Trek TNG: Data/Lor. And those stupid mouse looking robots that could synthesis their own tools.
      Asimov I, Robot: self-explanatory
      Max Headroom: body harvesters
      Brave New World: alphas.
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      dam(cheap shot)

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      Useless sig.
    3. Re:politcal debate by SirKodiak · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Isn't this the creation of an underclass of humans whos purpose it is to serve the higher classes?
      That's the issue of how the stem cells are procured. As mentioned in this comment there is a method of getting stem cells that doesn't rely on creating a brave-new-world style underclass.

      Simply creating new organs in existing human beings (or mice) in no way creates an underclass.

      It seems like the solution is not to outlaw stem cell research, but to ensure that procuring stem cells is done in an ethical manner. Differing opinions on what constitutes an ethical manner is what makes this such a sensitive subject.
    4. Re:politcal debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone watched Star Wars one too many times this weekend.

    5. Re:politcal debate by gilroy · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Blockquoth the poster:

      Isn't this the creation of an underclass of humans whos purpose it is to serve the higher classes?

      There's no reason it has to be. The beuaty of stem cell use is exactly that you can induce particular organs without having to grow the whole organism. That is, we decant a thymus from the vat instead of cloning and growing a whole new human (a la Parts: The Clonus Horror -- I shudder as much at the movie quality as the idea!).


      So this is actually much less class-warfare-ish than straight cloning-and-harvesting. The real ethical hangup seems to lie in the source of stem cells... the best grade appears to be embryonic, which naturally raises red flags with a large number of people.

    6. Re:politcal debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to nitpick, but everyone was a clone in Brave New World. There were groups of people who were all clones of each other.

      The alphas were just the ones without stunted growth in vitro. The lower castes had stunted growth so they would be nice servants and not get any bright ideas.

    7. Re:politcal debate by joshsisk · · Score: 1

      Isn't this the creation of an underclass of humans whos purpose it is to serve the higher classes?

      Maybe you should get out more. That's a pretty big leap, from growing a replacement organ to a genetically tailored underclass.

    8. Re:politcal debate by grakwell · · Score: 1

      This may be the case, but this discovery also invalidates the speculations of other sci-fi writers.

      Larry Niven's corpsickles, for one.

      I don't think anyone's going to worry about cryogenically frozen people being thawed out and chopped up for organs in light of this new breakthrough...

    9. Re:politcal debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      the creation of an underclass of humans whos purpose it is to serve the higher classes?
      i have to add to this line of thought. what about plasma donation centers? does anyone else notice that they are conveniently located in poor parts of cities? also, think about the growing international black market for human organs. this isn't just an underclass of humans who "serve" higher classes; these people are being picked apart for the benefit of others.



      I hate the idea of stem cell research. And I'm a self-proclaimed atheist.ditto. it's ignorant to frame this debate in terms of conservative v. liberal.

    10. Re:politcal debate by Cirrocco · · Score: 1
      May I remind you that there are hundreds of Sci-Fi stories (books, TV, movies, etc...) debating the creation of an UNDERCLASS! Whether this be robots, animals, races or CLONES!!!

      I think you may have missed the point here. This isn't about creating whole persons with cloning technology, only PARTS of whole persons, e.g. the thymus. New body parts == good thing. Unlimited immortality for the likes of Bill Gates == bad thing. On the whole, though, it will beat the hell out of worrying about donated organs for those who need them. The "underclass" will consist of those unable to pay for it...sort of like it is now.

    11. Re:politcal debate by dbrutus · · Score: 1, Redundant

      I keep hearing that the best grade of stem cells are embryonic but I never seem to get any evidence that this is so, just a lot of hemming and hawing at the early stage the research is in.

      From what I understand, embryonic stem cells have three patrons, the researchers, the pharma companies who increase their market for immunosuppressors, and the abortion industry who makes a buck from harvesting the cells.

      Adult stem cells have 2 patrons, the researchers and the pro-life movement.

      The hype board is stacked against adult cells but that doesn't mean that embryonic is the best.

    12. Re:politcal debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, wouldn't you consider Data/Lor to actually be an UPPER-class? They were, after all, superior to humans in every way. Data was also a Lieutenant Commander, not too shabby for a slave droid.

      Getting back to reality, what the hell are you talking about? You're confusing made-up, fantasy TV shows and real life.

    13. Re:politcal debate by gilroy · · Score: 3, Informative
      I am far from a biomedical expert, so I'm going on my impression from news reports and other sources. For example,

      What are the ethical issues involved?

      Currently, the best source for stem cells is a human embryo. But using human material, such as aborted fetuses, in research is a contensious issue because it can be construed as the sacrifice of human life for scientific progress.

      source

      and

      Even if much of the potential of adult stem cells is realised, there are circumstances where they are unlikely to be useful.... The isolation and growth of adult stem cells have to date proved very difficult. Stem cells generally represent a very small proportion of cells in adult tissues. Unambiguous identification is difficult as their presence in a tissue or mixture of cells is generally inferred from a research observation rather than indicated by any specific biochemical marker which might aid their purification... Current understanding of the potential of adult stem cells for redifferentiation is still very limited. Although many studies suggest that such processes occur, there is often a degree of ambiguity... In their natural location in the body adult stem cells do not exhibit great potential for differentiation into new cell types but have evolved to give rise only to specific cell lineages.

      House of Lords report

      and

      While adult stem cells hold real promise, there are some significant limitations to what we may or may not be able to accomplish with them. First of all, stem cells from adults have not been isolated for all tissues of the body. Although many different kinds of multipotent stem cells have been identified, adult stem cells for all cell and tissue types have not yet been found in the adult human. For example, we have not located adult cardiac stem cells or adult pancreatic islet stem cells in humans. Secondly, adult stem cells are often present in only minute quantities, are difficult to isolate and purify, and their numbers may decrease with age. For example, brain cells from adults that may be neuronal stem cells have only been obtained by removing a portion of the brain of epileptics, not a trivial procedure.

      Stem Cells: A Primer


      This is not to say that the matter is cut-and-dried, but rather, to indicate that there is solid reason for suspecting that stem cells will need to be embryonic to be (fully) useful; and hence, the debate (which was my actual point).
    14. Re:politcal debate by Turing+Machine · · Score: 1

      Isn't this the creation of an underclass of humans whos purpose it is to serve the higher classes?

      Meanwhile the ruling class will be cruising home in their flying cars, looking forward to a tasty dinner of Soylent Green.

      I like a good dystopian novel as well as the next guy, but let's not forget that there's a reason that it's called Science FICTION, guy.

    15. Re:politcal debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    16. Re:politcal debate by redtoade · · Score: 1

      Damn, I forgot the most obvious one:

      http://us.imdb.com/Title?0133093

    17. Re:politcal debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Why would anyone go to the trouble of cloning slaves when the old-fashioned way works so well? In case you were not aware of it, there is still a slave trade (women and children mainly) in certain parts of the world - and they don't use clones. Slave traders have no qualms about using 'naturally' born people.

      Clones do not pop out of the vat fully grown. They embryonic clone must be implanted in a womb, grown to term, be born, and grow up just like any other child.

      The only trouble with cloning people is that there is evidence that they may have shorter lives, and current techniques will cause many failures for each viable clone.

    18. Re:politcal debate by redtoade · · Score: 1

      Somehow I don't consider the works of
      H.G. Wells
      Isacc Asimov
      Aldous Huxley (just to name a few)
      to be mind-numbing television shows.

      The point of the exercise was to get a few people to add some various Sci-Fi works to the list. Preferably ones that tout the HORRORS of cloning and genetic manipulation... but I'd settle for robot underlings as well.

      My point was that there are enough anxieties about Frankenstein's monster (hey! there's another one) being promoted through the last 100 years that we don't need to turn this into a political bashing. (I'm so tired of the public school drones spouting "it's a Christian right conspiracy" everytime somebody takes an opposing stance.)

      I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You don't seem to be quoting me. Therefore, your post is one big incorrect assumption.

      What's weird is that you got moderated up! Hell my first post got moderated as "troll" even though most of the supplementary replies got moderated as interesting. Just goes to show how bad the /. moderation system is these days...

    19. Re:politcal debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Isn't this the creation of an underclass of humans whos purpose it is to serve the higher classes?


      No.

    20. Re:politcal debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, his point was that just because some FICTION AUTHORS wrote books about the potential evils of a science that few of them understood the fundamentals about (with the exception of Asimov, but he died before a lot of modern genetic and development research came to light), does not mean that their stories or commentary is relevant - not to say it isn't - but it certainly shouldn't be taken as some kind of authority literature on the matter.

      It's the same when people use the film "Jurassic Park" as a case against genetic engineering. The point is, most of these works are fiction and tell a story with an idea which MAY or MAY NOT have any real insight or relevance to the science therein.

      Discussion would be better fostered if you explained WHY you dislike stem cell research, rather than listing authors (most of whom wrote nothing of stem cell research) who wrote stories vaguely about the "evils" of science or a particular research concept.

      Finally - and I WILL get a bit nasty here - just because someone's post - which you disagreed with - got modded above your own does NOT give you the right to some kind of persecution complex (everyone is just AGAINST my wonderful and genius post!).... His post got modded up because most readers/moderators agreed with his assertions - if you don't like that, too freakin bad! I really HATE it when people start/end with "This will probably get modded down but...." as if that somehow adds some legitimacy to their opinion or posting - it don't. You posted an argument or statement that most people disliked - end of story.

      Sincerely,
      Kevin Christie
      Neuroscience Program
      University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
      crispiewm@hotmail.com

    21. Re:politcal debate by Thing+1 · · Score: 2
      it's ignorant to frame this debate in terms of conservative v. liberal.

      I would go even further and say it's ignorant to frame any debate in terms of conservative vs. liberal.

      'Course, then all we'd do is debate, and we need an uneducated populace to dig ditches for us to shit in, so that'd never work. 1/4 :)

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    22. Re:politcal debate by redtoade · · Score: 1

      You need to read the guidelines to moderation.

      You're not supposed to moderate based on whether you agree with the post! You're supposed to moderate based on whether it's interesting or not.

      That's the problem with /. these says: you people don't even know how to moderate correctly.

      Ironically your rant proves my point.

      BTW, "his" point had nothing to do with my post. He was completely off-topic for my post. So he shouldn't have even bothered replying to it... but instead should have started a new thread. For moderators to award points for being "out of left field" IS POOR MODERATION. Whether you think so or not is completely irrelevant.

      Finally, don't bother posting if you're not going to log-in. No one reads anonymous coward posts (other than the parent poster). And your user number typically indicates if you're a newcomer to /. and it makes it easier to ignore the uninformed.

    23. Re:politcal debate by redtoade · · Score: 1

      "You posted an argument or statement that most people disliked - end of story"

      oh and by the way... my original post had only one point modded as troll. The other points were modded up for interesting. If you're not even going to check your facts or read the entire thread, please don't waste our time.

    24. Re:politcal debate by canadian_right · · Score: 2
      Why in the world would anyone go all the expense and bother of cloning to create an underclass when normal reproduction works just fine? In case you didn't know, slavery is alive and well still. Women and children are bought and sold in many countries. People willing to enslave others do not care where they get their slaves.

      Clones do no pop out of vats as fully formed adults ready for the factory or prostitution. Clones need to be implanted in wombs, carried to full term, nursed, fed, educated, and raised just like any other child. You cannot tell by looking at a person that they are cloned. Cloning will not be an economically feasible way of enslaving anyone for a long, long time.

      The problem with human cloning is that there is evidence that clones are 'born old'. That clones will age faster, and may suffer from ofther defects. Creating a human clone would involve hundreds of failures which isn't ethically acceptable to myself.

      And, this article was about growing organs from stem cells - not cloning.

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    25. Re:politcal debate by Zathrus · · Score: 1

      You're not supposed to moderate based on whether you agree with the post! You're supposed to moderate based on whether it's interesting or not

      Your post wasn't interesting. Several of the replies were. Deal with it.

      No one reads anonymous coward posts

      Speak for yourself, thank you.

      your user number typically indicates if you're a newcomer to /. and it makes it easier to ignore the uninformed

      So newcomers are inherently uninformed? What was your babbling about an underclass about again?

      What a small, small world you live in.

    26. Re:politcal debate by redtoade · · Score: 1

      "Your post wasn't interesting. Several of the replies were. Deal with it."

      What the fuck are you talking about? There were a dozen replies within a half ah hour. It had been moderated up to 3 for most of the day before some moron moderated it as troll. (Which will most likely get meta-moderated as unfair). It just goes to show that most of the newcomers with moderation points don't even understand what they're moderating. How can it be a troll when most of the replies agreed with my original post. Most of the replies themselves were ALSO moderated up AFTER my post was.

      So somebody came along and didn't agree with my point... and instead of discussing it, moderated it down. Which is typical of /. these days. There isn't any intellectual discussion like a few years ago. It's all a bunch of wet behind the ears kids and their ignorant "march in line" opinions screaming at each other.

      Newcomers have ruined /.
      Now it's just an opinion page for pre-pubescents. No one has any reading comprehension skills here anymore. All of the replies are a perfect example of that fact. My point WAS interesting. And it had 12 replies to that fact within the hour. But ONE reply had the "popular opinion" one liner...and had absolutely nothing to do with the thread in which it was posted... and POOF, moderated up! That's such crap.

      I'm tired of the public school drones and their inability to think out of the box. A characteristic, I might add, that exemplifies true geeks. These "newcomers" are late to the game. They all have the same uninformed knee-jerk reaction to posts... and they all have the moderation points. A system that rewards a poster for being "in line" with the rest is inherently flawed... and when /. was controlled by only a handful of people ALL SIDES WERE HEARD! It was interesting as hell!

      THAT WAS MY POINT! Re-read the first line:
      "Before we get 100 posts telling us that stem cell research is being held up by whacko Chrisitian right wing bible thumpers..."

      the god damn title of the thread is POLITICAL DEBATE

      So to go off on some knee-jerk tangent about something I never said is typical of /. these days. But the fact that it got moderated up just goes to show that the moderators don't even read the threads... they just find the ideas that voice their own opinions and they turn them up!

      THAT ISN'T WHAT MODERATION IS SUPPOSED TO BE. Once again, read the guidelines.

      God I hate teenagers. Get your head out of your ass.

    27. Re:politcal debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget Parts: The Clonus Horror

      Argh! I had forgotten about it until you brought it up, you insensitive clod.

  34. Mr. T-cells. by herrd0kt0r · · Score: 5, Funny

    quote:
    "The thymus produces, educates and distributes special white cells called T lymphocytes (T-cells) which help to control the immune system and fight infection.

    But T-cells are destroyed when cancer patients undergo chemotherapy and also by the AIDS virus. The cells are also suppressed in people who have had organ transplants."

    this is a significant problem that is one of the biggest factors leading to disease in immunocompromised patients. the reason why they're also suppressed in patients with organ transplants is that they require immunosuppresant therapy, so that they own body doesn't reject the donor organ.

    in a nutshell, your body doesn't like non-self things. if there's a non-self thing in your system, say, someone else's liver, your immune system will flip out and demonstrate Real Ultimate Power.

    what's needed is some sort of component that can be introduced into the body that can aid the immune system intelligently. something that resists destruction by chemotherapy, and something that is "smart" enough to know what to attack, and what to leave alone. T-cells don't do this.

    nanotechnology offers this. i know it's going to be years from now, but i hope that scientists will be able to shrink Mr. T into an injectable form. These Mr. T-cells will seek out and berate questionable cells and foreign bodies and beat them down, if necessary.

    some genetic work may be needed to strengthen its intelligence such that the Mr. T-cells don't kill everything in sight.

    "what's all this jibba-jabba bout chemo?"
    "i pity the immune system who ain't got no T."

    1. Re:Mr. T-cells. by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 2

      If memory serves, part of the job of the thymus is to eradicate lines of T cells that react against the body's own tissue. In which case, we could imagine an artificial thymus saying "Ok, boys, here's what the transplant looks like. Everybody who wants to destroy it, die without descendants now".

    2. Re:Mr. T-cells. by herrd0kt0r · · Score: 1

      by grabthar's hammer... what an immune system!

    3. Re:Mr. T-cells. by dbrutus · · Score: 2

      Or, you could just take some stem cells from your fat (fat's full of stem cells) and grow the requisite organ(s) so that you no longer need any immunosuppresants or have any worries about rejection.

      Wouldn't that just be much simpler and cheaper?

    4. Re:Mr. T-cells. by Paolomania · · Score: 1

      your immune system will flip out and demonstrate Real Ultimate Power.

      dammit, where is the (+1 Totally Sweet) moderation when you need it. I'd even settle for (+1 Wailing Guitar).

    5. Re:Mr. T-cells. by captaineo · · Score: 1, Redundant

      I firmly believe that once nanotechnology becomes advanced enough, most other forms of medicine will disappear. There will be no reason to mess with exotic pharmaceutical compounds when you can have little machines roving around your body, "fixing" things mechanically...

    6. Re:Mr. T-cells. by ShavenYak · · Score: 1

      Or, you could just take some stem cells from your fat (fat's full of stem cells) and grow the requisite organ(s)

      Ah HAH! I knew all those cheeseburgers would come in handy someday.

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  35. does anyone know by asavage · · Score: 1

    if they were using adult or embryonic stem cells? I would assume that they used embryonic as adult stem cells might just bond with the cells but it doesn't say anyting in the article. This is great news though, hopefully it will get objecters to see the huge benifits to stem cell research.

  36. Suck on that, Mr. Bush... by InspectorZero · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    This is only the first of innumerable successes to come... congratulations to the U.S. government for working tirelessly to push this sort of amazing work out of the country. Though this sort of research isn't completely impossible to undertake here in the U.S. (yet), the current administration has tried its hardest to make it impossible. I hope the same sort of knee-jerk conservative behavior isn't going on elsewhere around the globe.

    The sweetest day will be when George W. Bush is the one who needs a new thymus (or any other organ which will follow this breakthrough). I hope he chokes on it... in a figurative sense, I guess.

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    1. Re:Suck on that, Mr. Bush... by syntap · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How can you say that without knowing the type of stem cells they used, or even if they were embryonic where their source was? InspectorZero has InformationZero to base the comment on because the article doesn't give it.

      Oh, and the sweetest day will be when you need new skin or lungs, and because US law doesn't allow the importing of exported Chinese prisonor farmed parts you won't be able to get it.

      See how stupid you sound?

    2. Re:Suck on that, Mr. Bush... by GigsVT · · Score: 2

      Bush allowed stem cell research to continue, he banned public money from being spent on it.

      It was a smart move. He got to basically end the debate over stem cell research, letting the anti-stem-cell people think they had won, all the while real research can continue in private industry.

      I'm not a conservative, but I think he handled this one pretty well. (Of course, as a Libertarian, I am all for ending government handouts of any kind).

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    3. Re:Suck on that, Mr. Bush... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That reseasrch is allowed here. Just under a few conditions - either the stem cells come from one of the lines that was already used, or you don't get any funding from the goverment for your research.

      Stop trying so fucking hard...he actually struck a reasonable balance for the people he represents. Some of them are religeous...if you don't like it, move to China. The religeous won't ever bother you there.

    4. Re:Suck on that, Mr. Bush... by TweeKinDaBahx · · Score: 1

      Riiiiight... blame the xians....

      Oh wait. This is the xtians fault, just like everything else that's happened in the last thousand years.

      Gte over yourselves. There is no god. We are god. That is all.

    5. Re:Suck on that, Mr. Bush... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you can prove that, I'll listen. Until then...seriously...can't we all just get along?

    6. Re:Suck on that, Mr. Bush... by joshsisk · · Score: 1

      Uh, you can get stem cells from sources other than fetuses (fetii?).

    7. Re:Suck on that, Mr. Bush... by GafTheHorseInTears · · Score: 0
      This is the xtians fault, just like everything else that's happened in the last thousand years.

      Two thousand

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    8. Re:Suck on that, Mr. Bush... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      I hope he chokes on it... in a figurative sense, I guess


      Choke on the thymus?
      Heh I remember the good old days when all he choked on was pretzels and vowels.
    9. Re:Suck on that, Mr. Bush... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally, you make an intelligent post.

    10. Re:Suck on that, Mr. Bush... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As opposed to another US president, who was busy sucking on something else...

  37. Now we can get by iramkumar · · Score: 1

    Some EntWives for TreeBeard !

  38. Brain transplant would be much cooler though by apankrat · · Score: 1

    Imagine blank pre-formatted brain with just a lilo in an MBR :)

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    1. Re:Brain transplant would be much cooler though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool! Maybe I'll live long enough to get my own new heart!
      Brain transplant would be much cooler though


      And maybe I can get some courage! And CowboyNeal can click his heels together three times....

  39. in related news by Marco_polo · · Score: 1

    God is suing them, claiming they are copyrighting his derivative works, citing the DMCA. (deity Millenium Copyright act)

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  40. Georgie by Cyclone66 · · Score: 1

    Does someone want to let Bush know about this or is he stuck pandering to the "moral majority" that he must hold back the greatest achievements in human health that will come from stem cells in the next few decades?
    Was that a good sentence?

    1. Re:Georgie by getter_85 · · Score: 1, Funny

      just like Green Day's "Minority"

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    2. Re:Georgie by Whispers_in_the_dark · · Score: 1

      That's odd. I didn't read anything in the article indicating whether or not they were using fetal stem cells as opposed to adult stem cells (which you may recall the administration *DOES* endorse). It seems to me that it is possibile that the advance came along regardless of the political climate you are complaining about. Does anyone out there have a quote one way or another on this from another news source?

  41. I'll be impressed when.... by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 2

    I can get this system to grow me a new steak whenever I want. Mm-mm - fresh biotech in the oven!

    (Yes, I know it probably wouldn't taste as good as range grown cow, thank you Mr/Ms. "I don't get sarcasm".)

  42. What poor guy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lost his stem for the good of science?

  43. 1 mod fooled, how many more? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently the guy who modded this up either can't read, or has the attention span of a 4 year old.

    PLEASE, for the love of GOD, read the whole post before moderating!

    Great troll, by the way.

    1. Re:1 mod fooled, how many more? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please, that was funny as hell! If it wasn't already modded to five I'd advocate it.

  44. Remember... by Grip3n · · Score: 1

    "Take death, for example. A great deal of our effort goes into avoiding it. We make extraordinary efforts to delay it, and indeed often consider its intrusion a tragic event. Yet we would find it hard to live without it. Death gives meaning to our lives. It gives importance and value to time. Time would become meaningless if there were too much of it. If death were indefinitely put off, the human psyche would end up, well, like the gambler in The Twilight Zone episode."

    - Ray Kurzweil

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    1. Re:Remember... by spiro_killglance · · Score: 2

      Yeah right. Of course I need the prospect of
      ten years of delibrating weakness followed by
      obvilion to make my days worth living (not). The world isn't any more meaningful because we mortal, just sadder and scarier.

  45. Hmmm, immortality from a T Cell by WellHungYungWun · · Score: 1

    Do I have to cut other immortals heads off with a sword? If so, can I use a light saber? They make way cooler sounds.

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    1. Re:Hmmm, immortality from a T Cell by Cirrocco · · Score: 1
      Do I have to cut other immortals heads off with a sword? If so, can I use a light saber? They make way cooler sounds.

      If you invent a working lightsaber then I want one too! Hey, wait, there we go! The Aussies can work on curing the world's ills, but the nerds here in America can work on the lightsaber! The Moral Majority, et al., should have no problem with that! Meanwhile, here are some that just look really cool. Enjoy!

    2. Re:Hmmm, immortality from a T Cell by georgewad · · Score: 1

      >They make way cooler sounds.
      Maybe, but there's something about the good ol' 'THWOK' of a sword-severed head...

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    3. Re:Hmmm, immortality from a T Cell by WellHungYungWun · · Score: 1

      I have to hand it to you, there really is nothing like the Thwok of some steel. : )

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  46. No, but... by No+Such+Agency · · Score: 3, Funny

    No, but with a few of these in vitro-grown thymuses (thymii?) implanted in your body, you'll develop a Wolverine-like super immune system and live to be a bitter, violent 150-year old amnesiac super hero.

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    1. Re:No, but... by unicron · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's what I'm wondering about. Are they cloning them just to give them to people who never/poorly developed theirs or can you add new ones to people with naturally working ones? Is the thymus gland even something you can transplant?

      I think it would be really awesome to have a super wicked immune system. You could play practical jokes on your friends like slip VX gas into their soda and watch them get queasy for 5 minutes until his body killed the toxins. Or you could heal yourself from knive and gunshot wounds in seconds(a common problem for us anti-outside geeks).

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    2. Re:No, but... by tgibbs · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or else die of a bizarre autoimmune disease that the doctors have never seen before...

    3. Re:No, but... by klevin · · Score: 1

      Having a super wicked immune system would no doubt be great, but since neiter VX gas or knife/gunshot wounds are diseases, it wouldn't do you much good. Now, on the Anthrax/Ebola/E. Cholae front, it would certainly be a good thing.

    4. Re:No, but... by unicron · · Score: 1

      Mr. Burns, we promise to thaw you out of cryogenic freezing just as soon as we discover the cure to...19 stab wounds in the back.

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    5. Re:No, but... by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      I know this was a joke, but a super immune system will do bugger all about regrowing tissue (knife wounds, bulletholes). You're just going to be able to get stabbed and not have to worry about infection.

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  47. That's nothing, baby! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should see the size of my pineal gland!

  48. Applicable or theoretical? by rector · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is definitely a greate advance in the biological science. But it will take at least 5-10 years to make it practically useful. And all the claims about prospectives sound like a story about a PhD student who wanted to prove the applicability of his puerly theoretical thesis on descrete maths: -The present thesis is on descrete maths. Descrete maths is applied in synthesis of conatat element schemes. The latter are a model of relay circuits. And relays are used in various agricaltural machines, which are of a great use.

    1. Re:Applicable or theoretical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please tell me you didn't graduate from high school. Please tell me you didn't graduate from high school.

      If English is not your first language I'll give you some leeway.

  49. Convenience by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1

    The next thing you know, scientists will be able to grow any part of the body in factories. Companies will compete on the speed of delivery. If you get sent to the hospital with a broken heart or something, they'll hook you up to a plastic one in the meantime, and within 24 hours, your replacement heart will arrive, UPS next day air.

    Once that's perfected, people will order a bunch of spare parts beforehand and store them in their garage refrigerators. Suppose you're in the garage cutting some two-by-fours and you accidently cut your arm off. A quick call to the paramedics and they'll be at your place within a few minutes to thaw and install your spare arm on-site, while you look the other way and enjoy a Negra Modelo.

  50. Good news by saden1 · · Score: 1

    It's about time men grew organs for themselves. It is just then next logical step.

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  51. As a type-1 diabetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm waiting for a new pancreas... or atleast some new islet cells.

    Oh, and of course a way to stop my own body from killing off those insulin making cells yet again. Way to go my body! Way to go!

  52. Hey you, Karma whore, it isnt slashdotted by Jailbrekr · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Its a major news publication, and I had no problem reading it. How odd eh?

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    1. Re:Hey you, Karma whore, it isnt slashdotted by billstr78 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Yes, it is odd. The server was not replying when I went back to it. I had the whole thing in my clipboard becuase I was one of the fp's, and just felt like doing something to help everyone out. You should try that sometime (helping others), this would be alot better than posting a bunch of negative, flaming comments.

    2. Re:Hey you, Karma whore, it isnt slashdotted by Jailbrekr · · Score: 2

      awwwwww, is the karma whore unhappy to read the truth?

      Either add constructive commentary or lurk.

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  53. Fetuses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    I, for one, certainly hope we are doing the right thing and using unborn humans for this research. Why? Because it makes goofy red-faced religious people apoplectic with rage...rage borne of repressed self-loathing caused by the relentless fondlings of their trusted local clergy when they were but innocent youths.

    Go science!

    1. Re:Fetuses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      When you are a parent-to-be and use ultrasound to get to see that "fetus" wriggling around for the first time, you won't be so flip.

      It isn't human - yet. But it's alive. Are we supposed to farm these? That's just sick in the same way Nazi experimentation was.

    2. Re:Fetuses by TweeKinDaBahx · · Score: 1

      The important thing is, that with this new technology, It will no longer be illegal for me to eat dead baby burritos at a Dying Fetus concert.

    3. Re:Fetuses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dying Fetus fucking rules. For example, "Pissing in the Mainstream" is just awesome. You have quality musical taste, my fine friend. I wonder if they'll ever visit Vancouver...

      I am the thread's parent, by the way.

    4. Re:Fetuses by ShavenYak · · Score: 1

      It isn't human - yet. But it's alive.

      If it isn't human, then what is it? It doesn't start out as another species and then become Homo sapiens in the womb, y'know.

      I'm not a pro-life nut, but I can't understand how someone could think of a fetus as "not alive" or "not human", because there's just not much else you can classify it as.

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  54. Rectum? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn near killed 'em!!!
  55. Pineal & adrenal gland next on the list by infonography · · Score: 2, Funny

    Think of the commercal uses, Pineal gland extract sales to Vegas Gamblers and cheap pure adrenochrome. man, just think now we don't have to kill people just for some. ****

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  56. In a World ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I the only one that started laughing after the first three words in that article?
    Cheesy movie trailers have ruined me forever.

    1. Re:In a World ... by getter_85 · · Score: 1, Funny

      no

      but I laughed after 5 words

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  57. Correct me if I'm wrong... by kasparov · · Score: 1

    ...but doesn't it the article say that they did this with a mouse--not a human? The article does say that human trials might begin within two years, but the thymus that they produced was implanted into a mouse. (Not that I would criticize a Slashdot headline's accuracy)

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    1. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by TweeKinDaBahx · · Score: 1

      The coolest thing I have ever seen was a Human ear growing out of a mouse's back

    2. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by DeionXxX · · Score: 1

      Mice are actually very similar to humans. This is why they are primarily used for research. So this is a very big deal.

      -- D3X

  58. Re:You sir are an American Icon by GafTheHorseInTears · · Score: 0

    God bless my mighty American penis, that I may smite the whores of Babylon with the coming of the LORD!

    Amen!

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  59. Re:Murder by getter_85 · · Score: 0

    it's a bumcorking thymus! gee... it's not too hard to get people worked up in here

    but you're right

    GOD bless america

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  60. band-aid solution by tps12 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't know about this. The immune system is a complicated beast. It involves tens of organs, hundreds of enzymes, and thousands of cells, all acting in harmony to maintain the health of the whole. You can't just throw thymuses at the problem and expect it to go away. We need to look for a more holistic solution, attacking the root problem rather than patching the symptoms.

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    1. Re:band-aid solution by Austenite · · Score: 1
      Am I the only one who can't figure out how this post was moderated as "funny"? Although this part may make it to my quotelog:
      "You can't just throw thymuses at the problem and expect it to go away."
      Context is such a funny thing.
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  61. Not quite... by ThrasherTT · · Score: 1

    There's more to clinical immortality than the immune system. Telomeres (chains on the ends of strands of DNA) that break down a little with each copy are a much bigger hurdle on the road to immortality. There have been studies that claim that injecting fetal mice (?) with telomerase, an enzyme that builds up the telomeres, causes their telomeres to be extraordinarily long, allowing thier DNA, and therefore their cells, to reproduce many more times than is normal. This results in a not only a longer lifespan, but a longer time before the effects of aging become apparent.

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  62. Nuclear weapons save lives. by Mustang+Matt · · Score: 2

    The US could drop some nukes on afghanistan and save US lives by obliterating every last afghan, but people are against it... Why? Because it comes at a tremendous cost.

    We must proceed with caution with such powerful technology as cloing and stem cell projects.

    It's not necessary to allow companies to harvest babies for stem-cells when they're doing fine with what they've got. If we don't put limitations on people they'll abuse their power. It's human nature.

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    1. Re:Nuclear weapons save lives. by Joel+Ironstone · · Score: 1

      Yes, baby harvesting is bad. But proceeding with too much caution costs more lives than it saves. If there is a promising technology available now that improve lives soon, don't we owe it to the terminally ill, to develop these things as quickly as possible. I'm sure everyone could agree on some basic unambiguous ethical guidelines (baby harvesting is certainly one of them) and progress from there.

      Nuclear weapons save lives but at a great risk, and at a great human cost. Stem cells are abundant and can be harvested without loss of life. If you believe in organ donation, you should believe in this.

    2. Re:Nuclear weapons save lives. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Population of Afghanistan: 26,813,057 (from the CIA world factbook)
      Americans killed by terrorists with some Afghani connection: ~3,000

      Save at most a few thousand lives(probably none, the terrorists would now have much more motive to destroy America and therefore could easily recruit many more people) by killing 27 million people? I see a logical fallacy in your post, Matt.

    3. Re:Nuclear weapons save lives. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Baby Harvesting? Gimme a break!! These are balls of cells no larger than a pinhead. THEY ARE NOT BABIES. 1000's of fertilized eggs, even more developed than a blastocyst, are flushed down the toilet or thrown in the trash every day. This happens naturally to all sexually active females. So lets be rational about what were dealing with here instead of playing on peoples emotions with this kind of overblown, hysterical rhetoric. You dont fool me with it and hopefully youre not fooling other people either.

  63. "Human trials could begin within two years" by gonerill · · Score: 2

    Hmm. Does this mean that in 2004 they'll put the thymus inside someone to see if it works, or that in 2004 they'll start trying to grow a whole human?

    1. Re:"Human trials could begin within two years" by hplasm · · Score: 1

      Or a human hole ?

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  64. Just think of the possibilities by kaladorn · · Score: 2

    Maybe medical technology will progress to the point where the spam mail and web pop-ups relating to "Ancient Sudanese Techniques" to "enhance your masculinity" will actually no longer be spam, merely factual advertisment.

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  65. HEY!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    What the fuck is wrong w/ you moderators recently? I swear I've seen some of the worst moderating ever in my life recently. Someone who has something important get's modded down as a TROLL??? Come on!

    Don't even get me started on some of the innane comments and obvious flaebaits I've seen that are modded +5 interesting.

    You people really need to get your shit together!

  66. Lucas... by ThrasherTT · · Score: 1

    Attack of the Cloned Thymii?

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  67. MST3K reveals that we are on the right track... by OgdEnigmaX · · Score: 1

    You do mean pineal fluid, don't you?

  68. don't think so, at least not yet by chainsaw1 · · Score: 2

    As with everything, patchwork systems don't seem to ever run as well as the origional. You can go out and buy a beat-up 73 station wagon and restore it, but when you are done can you ever honestly say you fixed _everything_ broken on it and _every_ system has been restored to factory-fresh capasity?

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    1. Re:don't think so, at least not yet by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 2

      As with everything, patchwork systems don't seem to ever run as well as the origional. You can go out and buy a beat-up 73 station wagon and fill it with dat tapes and hard drives, but when you are done can you ever honestly say you _increased_ your bandwidth over traditional fiber's capacity?

    2. Re:don't think so, at least not yet by G-funk · · Score: 1

      Of course you can. Come to australia sometime and go to the summernats :)

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  69. Re:Murder by ComaVN · · Score: 1

    Why not skip the stem cell bullshit and just harvest these organs straight from aborted babies. Or bums in the streets. Or criminals. Or terrorists. Or Zionists. Or Anti-Semites. Or...

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  70. And speaking of sci-fi pulp by cachorro · · Score: 1
    Does anybody else remember reading the novel, Bug Jack Baron?

    Once again life imitates art.

  71. This is where the science is going by rector · · Score: 1

    You seem to be making fun of it. However, it is exactly where the science is going. Only compatible (that is grown from the patient's own cells) implants are good enough to allow one to live with them for years. The progress in this direction will take a good while, but it is extremely likely that scientists will be able to grow a replacement organs. Skin for the burnt is grown quite widely at the moment (it takes weeks to grow a good patch) and more sophysticated parts of body are to follow.

  72. Misplaced modifier? by doorbot.com · · Score: 3, Funny

    The thymus is a small organ that is critical to the immune system. Human trials could begin within two years.

    Human trials of what? An immune system? So the un-authorized trials of billions of people over the last hundred thousand years are invalid (pun intended)?

    In any case, I definitely agree; this "immune system" scientists have been proposing definitely needs more clinical research before we can allow one to be used on real people.

    By the way, exactly who owns the patent on it?

  73. Cloning and genetic engineering--Good or Bad? by quasi_steller · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I dissagree with you. I am by no means against technology (after all why would I read slashdot all of the time?) but that doesn't mean that I believe that we humans should dive into every technology that we develop.

    The problem with technology and humans is that humans have a knack for doing more harm with a technology than good. To say that genetic engineering is only good is being very ignorant of humans' knack for doing harm. Don't get me wrong, not everybody is going to use these technologies for evil, but all it takes is another Hitler (who did plenty of expirements with genetics himself) to come along and figure out how to use genetic engineering to control many people.

    Bill Joy (the chief computer scientist at Sun Microsystems) wrote an article in Wired Magazine that opened my eyes to the dangers of tecnology. I believe that every person who believes that genetic engineering is good (which it is in some cases, such as saving lives) should read this article. It can be found here.

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    1. Re:Cloning and genetic engineering--Good or Bad? by Jacer · · Score: 1

      humans are too concerned with whether they can or not, they too often neglect whether they should or not.... this is true, but i still don't think that saving lives is a bad thing

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    2. Re:Cloning and genetic engineering--Good or Bad? by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 2

      I invoke Godwin's Law. YHL. HAND!

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    3. Re:Cloning and genetic engineering--Good or Bad? by canadian_right · · Score: 2

      If we are able to gentically modify ourselves into a sperate race that usurps our current position at the top of the food chain then we deserve whatever happens to us. I would only be sad if we wiped out all intelligent life, not if we helped the next step in evolution along.

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  74. Agenda of the Bush administration... by InspectorZero · · Score: 1

    Check the record of his administration - they've consistently pushed for the banning of ALL types of cloning, tissue or otherwise, which would include stem cells of all types. They don't want any genetic replicas of any human tissues, which is a completely unwarranted request. I never suggested that the stem cells in the article were embryonic.

    Who sounds stupid now? Don't be such a troll.

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    1. Re:Agenda of the Bush administration... by dbrutus · · Score: 2

      bzzzt! Nobody's talking about banning adult stem cell research. That's just made up propaganda. Cloning is not the same as stem cell research.

    2. Re:Agenda of the Bush administration... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bzzt, you're wrong!

  75. I just can't wait... by benfoldsfan · · Score: 2, Funny

    until they can grow my wife larger breasts.

    1. Re:I just can't wait... by zulux · · Score: 2

      until they can grow my wife larger breasts.

      Skip the wife! Grow your own bio-breasts and you can fondle them all day!

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    2. Re:I just can't wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wtf? just keep eating healthy food like Pringles and Fudge Stripe Cookies.
      You'll get your own set of breasts in no time; trust me, I know that of which I speak.

    3. Re:I just can't wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, I had another part of the body in mind. This being /., I doubt I need to say any more.

  76. MODDED DOWN due to PLAGARISM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I modded this post down. Blatant plagarism, as others in this thread have stated, - no reference to source (copyright notice clearly stated at the bottom of that page).

    1. Re:MODDED DOWN due to PLAGARISM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I modded this post down. Blatant plagarism

      I hope I get you on meta mod. There is no mod for plagiarism. And the plagiarism doesn't make it any less informative. don't moderate - respond with a comment calling him the weasel that he is.

    2. Re:MODDED DOWN due to PLAGARISM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fuck is this, High School english class? I'm sorry Mrs. Hornsworth, but I failed to meet the requirements expressly defined in the rubric to earn a 5, so, I must settle for this paltry 4 (with a smile). I mean, Should we petition the Slashdot Honor Council to have this poster thrown out? This is a bloody forum, not some mediocre secondary school english curriculum!

    3. Re:MODDED DOWN due to PLAGARISM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well I would have put him down to -1, but i can only take off one mod point. It doesn't matter wheter its a forum or a class, he ripped off someone else's writing and gave no credit. and he gets modded to 5 for it. Its no wonder why slashdot has a reputation for people talking through their asses (especially on the front page)...

    4. Re:MODDED DOWN due to PLAGARISM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope I get you on meta mod. There is no mod for plagiarism. And the plagiarism doesn't make it any less informative. don't moderate - respond with a comment calling him the weasel that he is.

      well, apparently you did, seeing as how his post is back up to 5. Noone really seems to give a shit that he's a karma whore blatantly ripping off someone else's writing, but that's slashdot.

  77. Saving face... by InspectorZero · · Score: 1

    He banned public money because it was the only thing he had control over, and thus the only area where he had to straddle the fence in a vain attempt to appease his constituency on both sides. He actually appeased neither side - and if you follow the response of both sides of the debate after that announcement, you'll see that there were a great many stem cell proponents who were still very worried, and many opponents of the research who thought that GW had betrayed them.

    His administration, however, has continued to fight, through congressional channels, to ban all kinds of cloning - tissue cloning included. As organs grown from ANY stem cells are the products of cloning, it would seem that Bush has continued working to undermine stem cell research, despite his apparent limited support of it. It's not a question of public funding - it's much more extreme than that.

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  78. ... 3) Profit! by Anonymous+Bullard · · Score: 1

    If you should pick one body part to concentrate on in order to maximize return on investment, what do you think that organ would be?

    They'll be selling "designer private parts" not just for John Bobbitt but every Tom, Harry, and of course, Dick.

    Just a word of prophetic warning: do not even consider having your spanking-new organically grown appendage attached in a cheap clinic in any area like California which tends to affected by rolling blackouts, not unless you don't mind joining the Eunuch Geek Movement anyway.

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  79. Once again, SF gets there first by devphil · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I think at some point, if it isn't already happening, people will start taking larger chances with their bodies and health, because of this insurance policy.

    A number of Larry Niven's stories in his future history "Known Space" cycle touch on this point, but arrived at a reverse conclusion in some cases: because people lived longer, they took fewer chances.

    Even Hollywood will give you examples of this, although usually they look at it from the other end: "I've only got to live, so I'll go do something heroic which will probably result in my death, but big friggin' deal because I'm about to die."

    The extension of that line of thought predicted by many SF authors is, "I've got three centuries of good livin' in front of me if I don't fuck it up, so why risk it all doing something possibly dangerous, like mountain climbing, deep-sea diving, or attempting to cross the street in downtown Chicago."

    (The SF-aspect of the stories usually involves activities that we would think of as typical being perceived, in the brave new world, as "something possibly dangerous".)

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    1. Re:Once again, SF gets there first by Ravagin · · Score: 2

      Known Space also provides incentive to advance organ-growing technology. I'm thinking of the organlegging black market and especially all the "Flatlander" stories. Veeery interesting.
      (I believe it is China that takes the organs from people they execute - not necessarily with permission)

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    2. Re:Once again, SF gets there first by Saeger · · Score: 2
      because people lived longer, they took fewer chances.

      That only makes sense for as long as we're unable to "backup" our minds while being stuck in one body.

      Ultimately, we'll shed our fragile wetware bodies in favor of cyborg and then entirely robotic shells, and maybe even eventually cast away any remnant of a shell, and live as a "God" in a virtual world of our own creation.

      That's my goal anyway. :)

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    3. Re:Once again, SF gets there first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As presented by everyones favourite sc-fi write, A.C. Clarke.

      "And now, out among the stars, evolution was driving toward new goals. The first explorers of Earth had long since come to the limits of flesh and blood; as soon as their machines were better than their bodies, it was time to move. First their brains, and then their thoughts alone, they transferred into shining new homes of metal and of plastic.

      In these, they roamed among the stars. They no longer built spaceships. They were spaceships.

      But the age of the Machine-entities swiftly passed. In their ceaseless experimenting, they had learned to store knowledge in the structure of space itself, and to preserve their thoughts for eternity in frozen lattices of light. They could become creatures of radiation, free at last from the tyranny of matter.

      Into pure energy, therefore, they presently transformed themselves; and on a thousand worlds, the empty shells they had discarded twitched for a while in a mindless dance of death, then crumbled into rusty."

    4. Re:Once again, SF gets there first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you should watch Leji Matsumos "Galaxy Express: 999" "My youth on Arcadia" and some of his other films before deciding the whole robot body thing is a good idea.

    5. Re:Once again, SF gets there first by devphil · · Score: 2


      One of the "killer B's" (the name given to Bear, Brin, and Benford) has just published an SF novel in which we can make expendable bodies. I plan to drive to the bookstore and purchase it as soon as I get the car fixed.

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    6. Re:Once again, SF gets there first by Suidae · · Score: 2

      mm, galaxy express: 999, I saw that after regaining conciousness after a heavy acid trip. Talk about the day after, damn.

  80. Half correct... by InspectorZero · · Score: 1

    Cloning is technically not equal to stem cell research - this is true. HOWEVER, constructing an organ, or even just a tissue, from ANY type of human stem cells IS cloning - it's known as therapeutic tissue cloning. That's what was done here. Language to ban therapeutic tissue cloning has been (and probably still is) in at least one bill that's somewhere in the legislative system. I haven't followed it for a while, but I read plenty about it a couple months ago. Look it up.

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  81. Probably just need money... by waltc · · Score: 1

    These people probably are trying to raise research money. Personally, I think I'll get excited when they figure out how to take an individual's cells and clone an organ directly from them. Seems as if "stem-cell" created organs will suffer all of the rejection problems of a transplant, and it would be such a pity to receive a spanking new thymus only to contract and die from viral pnuemonia as the result of the drugs you must take to beat down your immune system so that the alien tissue won't be rejected/absorbed by your body.

  82. Re:But can they grow replacement penis? by DickBreath · · Score: 3, Funny

    Grow John Bobbitt a replacement penis?

    Okay, I'll bite. (Actually, I don't bite.)

    Forget about replacements. How about spares? Or extras? You know, redundancy. Or maybe just additional size?

    Or maybe now all those SPAM messages will come true!

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  83. This is ALMOST useless by Invicta{HOG} · · Score: 2

    There is no role for the thymus in the adult human. I wonder who they are going to do trials in - DiGeorge patients (22q11 deletion - often athymic). I can't imagine many parents allowing someone to install a new thymus in their kid...but I guess some people are desperate. I doubt that this will work at all.

  84. What's the limit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Anyone know what the limits of this are? OK, a thymus is a relatively simple organ (as are bladders, which someone else mentioned have also been produced this way).

    What about...say...the large intestine? Could something that is more complex such as that also be done in the near future?

    I ask because...well, I don't have a colon anymore (ileostomy -- if you don't know what it is, look it up on Google). I would dearly love to be rid of the ostomy. I have had the ostomy for over 10 years now, and while I can live with it, it is just not that wonderful to have in comparison to the "real thing".

    If there was a way to not only grow a new large intestine, but also implant it so that it's fully functional (which would be non-trivial, given that large amounts of peristaltic muscles would have to be reattached)...hey, I'd be first in line.

    Cheers,

    An AC in Europe

  85. wake me when they can grow a hymen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I doubt any other medical wonder will fascinate more

  86. "Big abortion"? by autopr0n · · Score: 2

    Is that like "big tabacco"?

    Anyway, the important thing here should be how to improve peoples lives. You're not a doctor, so shut up. I say let people do research to determine what's actualy better.

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    1. Re:"Big abortion"? by dillon_rinker · · Score: 2

      SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!

    2. Re:"Big abortion"? by dbrutus · · Score: 2

      No, I'm not a doctor, I'm just married to one and have discussed the issue with her in all the gory details. Screw off.

  87. T cells by aswang · · Score: 3, Informative

    There are at least three types of T cells: Th cells (helper T cells), Tc cells (cytotoxic T cells), and TDTH cells (delayed-type hypersensitivity T cells). The existence of Ts cells (suppressor T cells) has been postulated but is apparently still controversial. In addition, Th cells are further subdivided into Th1 cells necesary for cell-mediated immunity (primarily targeting viral infections and tumors) and Th2 cells necessary for antibody production. T cells and B cells are both lymphocytes, which are a different lineage of white blood cells than macrophages.

  88. For those who think we are playing God.. by mbd1475 · · Score: 0

    A question: What does that say about God?

  89. Mechanism? by aswang · · Score: 2

    What I wish the article had discussed is how thymic transplants would actually help in treating HIV infection or in preventing transplant rejection.

    Since T cells are initially generated in the bone marrow, a new thymus wouldn't have much of an effect with increasing T cell populations. Furthermore, even if you could somehow boost T cell numbers, what's to prevent the virus from infecting these new cells?

    With organ transplantation, reject happens most rapidly when HLA haplotypes between donor and recipient aren't perfectly matched, and a new thymus wouldn't really do much to solve this mismatch.

    On the other hand, I can easily see how this new development can help children with SCIDs or congenital thymic hypoplasia/aplasia.

  90. Reference, please. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 2

    fat's full of stem cells

    That's quite an extraordinary claim. Would you please back that up with a reference of some kind?

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    1. Re:Reference, please. by dbrutus · · Score: 2

      Sure, no problem

      http://www.whitaker.org/news/guilak.html

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_1 80 9000/1809322.stm

      http://www.nature.com/nsu/010412/010412-6.html

  91. What *kind* of stem cells? by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 1

    The article doesn't say what kind of stem cells they used for their research... embryonic? adult-derived? cord blood? From a scientific standpoint, it doesn't much matter, but from an ethical standpoint, it makes all the difference in the world.

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  92. Re: Troll? by Indomitus · · Score: 1

    This is a troll? Jesus. I haven't been reading slashdot really regularly for awhile, is this what the site has come to? Random modding?

  93. Argh, typo by devphil · · Score: 2
    "I've only got to live,

    Gah. What I typed was "I've only got <some short period of time> to live," but I typed the angle characters directly instead of &lt; so they got interpreted as an HTML tag and dropped.

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