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Northwest Airlines Wants Eye-Scan Check-in
Headius writes: "According to the Associated Press, Northwest Airlines is testing out a check-in system that uses eye scans to identify customers, and provide a faster way to check in. The article is here locally, and probably making its way to other news sites as well." Bruce Schneier posted a while ago this neat summary of some of the limitations of biometrics, worth re-reading. One question I have, how long will you eyes stay on record?
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All it would do is be more invasive into our lives..
Wont prevent a damned thing, unless your ticket is stolen..
Ya know, most HIjackers do buy their tickets, and show proper ID at the gate..
---- Booth was a patriot ----
zdnet has an interesting aticle here
How would they get your retina on file? Hrmm, prolly let you show your drivers license and then scan your eye, and this would somehow stop a terriorist that had a fake Driver's license?
Some higher-up saw minority report and said to himself "Oh cool, retina scans look like a good idea...."
I assume they scan your eyes first time, and it stays in their database forever. It'd be rather useless if they scanned you, then got rid of the record, since the point is to let trusted passengers go through.
Seems to me the major problem is that a terrorist need only establish themself as "trusted" - fly on a few flights without problems, be nice and courteous and look non-suspicious. Once you're trusted you've got essentially free range - just walk through with only an eye scan.
Boom.
See? it's the wave of the future! It's even in the movies
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they announced they were going to require fat people to buy two tickets. Will they require a "butt scan" to decide who has to buy the extra seat?
The questions I always had about retinal scans is what happens in the situation of someone who has a glass eye?
Do the scans ignore it, or do they try to recognize it as a real eye? If so, does it pass or fail the system?? I imagine it would fail, since there is no retina to scan.
And what happens when they change their glass eye to a new one, that might be slightly different looking; would they no longer be recognized as the same person?
If anyone knows, please respond, I'm curious!
Obviously, eye-scans will help to identify one-eyed, ex-Taleban Head of State and Bin Laden buddy Mullah Mohammed Omar, and prevent him boarding Northwest Airlines flights.
At least it would be more fun.
I'd been doing Vergin for a while, and I still remember that system they had installed in their check-ins at Heathrow (UK). While you ticket was checked in a camera would take a picture of you.
But taking pictures of your face happens in many places, such as some Casinos. although they claim
that's for issuing your membership card...
So after rambling about how Tom Cruise put him away and how he was gonna get revenge, etc., the evil doctor not only did a good job replacing his eyeballs but left milk and a sandwich...
Then he said wait here 12 hours and only 6 were needed.
What was the point of all that setup?
In fact, why did the movie need to set up the basic "pre-crime" premise like 3 times-- first by showing them busting a "pre-murder" then in dialogue immediately after, and then AGAIN w/a "tour" of pre-crime..
LAME.
I think very early in the movie I noticed one of the scanners said "Denta-Scan" but I don't know how the hell that was supposed to work. I like that idea much better than scanning eyes. I mean, everyone's teeth are unique, right?
Northwest is the worst airline ever.
THey will find every possible way to
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Will it work? The experts argue that it won't. But that doesn't matter, the lawmakers and public think it is a perfect solution.
My question is what about people with a legitamate reason to hide (ie witness protection).
No thank you, no beams in my eyes thankyouverymuch.
Since I'd end up using a different airline if I had to do this, I'd donate my 74K frequent flyer files to the Make a Wish Foundation and choose a less invasive airline. I hear American aIrlines is requiring sphincter prints...
"linuxfag asspussy" was in mine. what a coincidence!
I mean, if airlines wan't increased security of any sort.. people tend to agree, or at least not too strongly disagree, after all, we need our airplanes to be safe, right? Oh wait, yeah, except for the terrible incidents on Sept. 11th, THEY ARE. And it's not likely something of that nature could happen again.
Those animals didn't use guns or weapons smuggled onboard, they weren't some kind of secret spy martial arts experts...
They just used fear.
My problem is this: Flying is a needed method of travel. You can't very well avoid it if you have to travel. So, let's see.. I have a right to privacy as long as I don't want to travel anywhere?
It doesn't add up. If things like this keep happening, eventually it will be on trains, city busses, and tollbooths on our highways.
WHO I AM is not important when I travel on an airplane. Whether or not I'm carrying weapons, bombs, that is important.
...would be anal scans. Your anus could be used to identify you with great precision. And they would be very simple to make: just sit on a flatbed scanner.
it says a faster way for it's frequent flyers to get through security.
Last time I flew on an airline...
I a) Walked to the security gate (X-ray machine, metal detector, etcetera). I put my carryon bags in the machine, walked through the detector, which beeped. A girl waved a wand around to verify that it was my belt buckle that set off the detector, I grabbed my bags, and went on my way.
How, exactly, is having me do an eye scan going to speed up my going through security? They can't be permitting anyone into the secure area without going through this process.. can they? If they are, that makes security WORSE, not better. But there's now ay they are doing that..
So how is this going to make it 'more secure'.. given that you shouldn't have to identify yourslef to fly anyway?
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The weight on the chair must be within a ten pound range of the last time someone logged in with that ID. Thus, the majority of local cracks during office hours are reduced to people in your weight class. Sure you could put a book on your lap, but the point is removing inconspicuity.
That would depend on the penis scanners, of course.
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doing an iris scan isn't faster than showing your passport. you still need to check in your bagage. you still must x-ray everything you take on-board.
if northwest wants to provide faster checkin, open more checkin counters !
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Terrorists will just hire someone to swap out their eyes for them. They just have to keep the bandages on for 12 hours afterwards, or they'll go blind.
Automated system: "Welcome onboard and have a safe flight, Mr. Yakimoto!"
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You shouldn't have to use a plastic jug, I don't imagine the curtain would be nice for mixed sex crews either.
One question I have, how long will you eyes stay on record?
Hopefully for as long as they are still your eyes. Or, would you rather go to the DEM (Department of Eye Measurements) once yearly with 50 pieces of paperwork to get your eyes scanned and your record validated?
Possibly very useful, but the eye is a pretty sensitive organ, and does not regenerate when damaged. I don't know about you, but I won't be the first in line to have my retina scanned by any device, and any officious security guard who tries to force me had better be prepared for a fight.
Watch Demolition Man.
Unless you like the idea of having your eye on a pencil, this is a *bad idea*.
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With fingerprints, at least you get 9 more tries after the database gets hacked. With retina scanning, you only get one reset.
Really, I don't understand why people keep tearing down the strawman of stopping terrorists. Has Northwest ever even claimed that this has anything to do with terrorism? Or is it just that the stupid dept. line mentioned it?
For a bunch of technophiles we sure are afraid of new technologies... Timothy's link to the limitations didn't even mention eye-scans. In fact, it specifically said that "[biometrics] are useful in situations where there is a trusted path from the reader to the verifier." Guess what, that's what we have here.
I'm all for making the airlines safe, but I'll be damned if I have to have them shoot a laser at my eye to ride a plane. Do they really have enough long long term studies on this stuff to implement it? I don't want my vision to fail when I'm 60 or 80. Plus, what if the hardware fails.
Yeah yeah, the article says it's an opt in system. But then the next terrorist wave hits and the knee jerks and it becomes law.
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Sure, you pony up all this information.
Now, if I'm interested in making myself famous, I'll just arrange for the system to have an outage when I want to get aboard for my terrorist stunt.
Or will the inevitable hang-ups trigger an airport shutdown?
All of the technology in the world just makes the bad guy work harder, at loss of convenience to the casual user.
It buys no certain safety.
But then, if you really want to spend some money on technology,
you'll make the cost/benefit analysis say whatever it needs to...
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After your biometric records become compromised (there will be ways, everyone can be sure of it!) how can you change your eyes?
When a password is compromised, you can change it at will... You can even deactivate the user login and create a fresh and diferent one...
With biometrics... you are doomed to keep or have your records linked... because you can't change biometrics!
Cheers...
Every passenger who boards a plane MUST have their own handgun. You will NOT be allowed to board unless you carry a handgun. That'll stop 'em.
According to heise.de this article says it is not safe ! Mister Hijacker, welcome aboard....
....Like in this one movie, they needed a guys fingerprints for the fingerprint scanner, so they just cut off his fingers.
In my opinion this is an improvment, because if you're a spy you'll now be able to keep your hands intact.
Seriously though,
Anybody know if Lasik or Radial Keratonomy (sp?) surgery would cause any difficulties with these things?
I, for one, will refuse to use these devices. If I can't fly without using them, then I won't fly. It's that simple - my eyesight is worth too much to risk - something as simple as a software glitch could cause the laser to blind people at random, like what happened with the Therac 25 in the 1980's. Sorry folks, but lasers and eyes just don't go together, and anyone with common sense should see that.
I wouldn't object so much if it was based on a passive scan - such as with a camera. But the laser thing scares me.
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As the subject states, I will never fly an airline that requires me to have my eyes scanned before I board, or my fingerprints scanned etc... I would however not mind a facial scan so long as I dont have to stick my head in a machine.
If it is invasive I wont do it, I will ride a fucking train or boat. I think the United States is really over reacting to what happened in new york. Yea some people got killed, people die every day. If we let this event radically change our way of life then haven't the terrorists won?
The airlines should just be allowed to carry firearms, end of story. Maybe not large handguns, something that won't peirce the hull of the aircract but enough to put a hole through some moron would be terrorist's skull.
bah!
northwests partner airline in Europe KLM have had this for months
bah!*@%!
Okay, it's rather creepy to go see Minority Report and then within 24 hours see a posting about this sort of stuff. So how long before they call you up to tell you when you're flight is scheduled before you even know you want to go somewhere?
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Does anyone know at what stage of the checkin process this retinal scanning will actually be used? The story didn't mention that at all, and I couldn't find the press release on Northwest's site. I find it hard to believe they would allow you into the secure area without going through the machines, which would mean that this doesn't affect security at all.
I remember some time ago talk of using retinal scans for making it easier for people to get through customs, but that was to enter the country after they've already traveled.
As for Northwest's checkin and security, they're one of the only airlines (if not the only) to allow you to print your own boarding pass at home off the web. (https://webx25.nwa.com/cki-bin/cki.pro?loadactivI love this feature and use it all the time--if I have no luggage to check, I can get all the way to the gate without talking to anyone from the airline. At first, I was amazed they continued doing this after the attacks, but then I realized I still have to show ID when I'm about to board anyway--it's no less secure than if I had checked-in the traditional way and shown my ID when getting my boarding pass.
(The best part of this process I don't want many people to realize, but I'll share it with the rest of slashdot... since you are actually checking in, you can grab seats that are held until checkin time; if you do this as early as possible--30 hours in advance--you almost always get first choice of seats that are at the very front of coach.)
Of course, that's when we think about a generic "glass" eye. People will try to make an "eye" which appears normal to a scanner, and will make whatever retinal pattern is desired. Non-criminals might want one of these eyes to replace a normal "glass" eye so they can pass a scan and can travel just as any other scannable passenger can.
But is attempting to make a scannable eye an attempt to bypass a protective device, and therefore now illegal? For that matter, maybe this whole discussion is illegal.
Do contact lenses interfere with this technology in any way?
and i am 100% certain there are no razor blades inside
You just need to stand near the camera. It does not work with artificial eyes, or contact lenses, because the designers of the method also test pupil dilation - Blade Runner like :-)
John Daugman (now in Cambridge England then at Harvard) developed the efficient coding method. According to the legend, the James Bond film Never Say Never uses Iris Scans. Retinal Scans are way more intrusive.
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So, if a hacker grabs the data points for the eyes, and starts making some custom contact lenses for a replay attack.. what do we do?
If your credit card's stolen, you get a new one. What about your eyes?
I guess they'll have to fall back to some other identification for all the people with stolen eyes. Thus making the system useless.
terrorists would just get their eyes swapped out. Northwest airlines should just ban all dune coons from their plains, problem solved.
but they have to kiss it before I let them shoot a laser into my eyes. I'll fly Crop Duster International Airlines before I agree to this.
I've always had problems with biometrics. I am a diabetic, and have been for almost 20 years. One of the main complications of diabetes is retinopathy, ie. the clouding and overgrowth of the retina. So how do I explain to the security guards "Yes, that /was/ my retina two years ago, but I didn't take good enough care of myself." Or do I just get to get my metrics re-evaluated every couple of years?
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I ask what all the Muslims do? I ask them where we're going to? I ask the Persians with their funny hats, I ask the painters this or that. I ask Americans with their hamburgers I ask the corporations and their corporate mergers Why is the world we live in so round? With all these things springing out of the ground - Every single angle is juxtaposing - Everything is random and not half worth knowing. So admidst all the bustle and admidst all the bungle, I pick up the paints and step into the jungle! I like to live in all the canvases. Painting... painting... Be quiet I'm Painting I'm painting the walls in my room Colors Colors go up and down my room Insane And yet making sense in a strange way Painting It's like a new work every day. Before I wake up in the morn, There's 90.7 children born! The GNP is up 2 percent, and somewhere somebody is celebrating Lent. Germans doing business in Tokyo, Disney marketing Pinnochio, America is seized with condomania, and fascists taking power in Italia! I look up at my house, it's very bright I look out at the world, and I know it's right Everything that was done and said Just put these ideas in my head. And just try to write it down. It's over your head, can't think of a noun. No I prefer to use my vivid colors for painting... painting... move over I'm Before I complete my business, I check the world's agenda to see what I've missed. I look at all the people who've been blessed, and a new shampoo they call Caress. I finish up the details on my work, with accuracy never seen in a book. And nobody will ever really get it, It's my work of art, and so I'll let it stay in my room with all the other ones Bright bold colors brighter than the sun. Way brighter than anyone's hats And less popular than the musical Cats. And people may call me insane, and keep me up here to reduce the pain But I will never go inane for I'm painting... painting... Yes I am Paranoia Look everyone's around here and/I'm walking up I'm talking up Quit joking/Stop looking up quit your corrupt New actions/They stop me up they punch me up I'm looking/I'm Checking up I'm checking up And everyone here/considers consequences While I'm looking them over/I bet they are all out for me And everyone is out for me if I turn my back they'll get me/They'll look and take what I don't see if careful I'm not meant to be Keep thinking...Keep thinking in line...Yes I'll Keep thinking...Keep thinking in line...Yes I Wearing bright new colors/That I don't have, what I can't have They're thinking/They're thinking this, they're thinking that I'm swearing/that I just can't do what I can For looking/Say what's their plan? What's their plan? And nobody around/feeling pretentious Sitting on the ground/With their apprehensions Perhaps it just depends on me if I am paranoid you see/It comes right from my history of looking just at what I be Reaching for the heavens/That don't exist, that don't exist Looking through a window/Covered in mist, covered in mist Checking their agenda/I see their list, I see their list I could've been on there/But them I missed; They can't be missed. My shoulders/I'm looking over them I can't see/But it all looks grim And now everyone is talking in a language I don't understand/I thought I had a code once too but I seem to have lost my hands Stealing some possessions/That I've always felt I should have You think it's robbery/And that's my plan, that's my plan I'm not a car thief/The men do not call me a man Look out behind me/They're on my tail, on my tail Feel the paranoia/It's starting to grow Something here/I'm starting to glow I've always felt I can't I be rushed and somehow cut around the bush/But now I'm here and it's a mush of language that was rarely flushed Lying down for a nights sleep/that I won't get, that I won't get I will never make a peep/That you can bet, that you can bet This may sound corny/It gets worse yet, it gets worse yet Of sleep I cannot get a wink/Because of something I heard said Something behind me/I'm sure that's it is I can't see/But I'm sure it's grim I'm leaving all the lights on `till my memory is not so ill/I could've solved it with a pill but I seem to have lost the will PICTURES OF PEOPLE I wrote this song about a 16-year old girl who was far too young for me. When this song was first produced, the atmosphere was very tense and Ryan Beebe, the producer, threw a cup at my cousin's head. Strangely, this event added somewhat to the cutting-edge production now captured here on CD. Steamroller Destruction and obliteration I'd like to lend you a hand We sanctioned you to knock down Main Street Steamroller, you knocked us all off our feet You knocked down everything that we once found neat Now we don't care if our lives are incomplete We set up cafes and kiosks, we're selling Steamroller T-Shirts And popcorn on the sidewalk... we've got front row seats. Steamroller I love you You're live in color better than TV You can flatten my friends and my whole family Steamroller I love you Main Street lies in rubble Steamroller, don't give us trouble We don't deserve it 'cause we think that you're the swellest Please don't flatten us, do it to someone else Some activists from out of town Say we should tear the steamroller down We'll get 'em with our lawyers, the litigation's pending Why bother ever thinking? This fun is never ending. And now the steamroller's gone The town holds a telethon To raise some money to get the steamroller back Buildings are dust and streets are all cracked Thousands are homeless and the TV is gone And those lousy activists advocate restraint But we must have back steamroller, there's a principle involved And that principle is, WE MUST BE ENTERTAINED! TICK I'm sick of life when I can't really describe the vocabulary I grew up with half the time If it was all verbs then I'd use all actions, but there's a better way to control the factions Its like there's no verbs left anymore, so pile on the nouns and bring a couple more I hear sounds that sound American but I feel they're so thin that I know they're foreign ...and lingering over one subject while you're still getting sleepy can cost you your lifeline. ...and violent dreams can pull down a man and make him say things he wouldn't even think of. ...and there's a stream where all the little fishes jump and tell hyperactive stories ...it don't make much sense when all the bakers form militias to bring about fairer dairy taxes.
I'm sick of life here in Tel Aviv
And I'm gonna move down to the Gaza strip
I'm gonna get to meet all the Palestinians
And learn what makes `em tick what makes `em tick what makes `em
TICK TICK
I feel weird in the stomach when I think of all the nasty I've ever done to me
And the pretty girl, she's got the pretty curls, she does her whirls and then she conquers the world
If ignorance is bliss I'm blessed although following the logic I get rather depressed
I feel there's nothing left to be stressed and I feel quite strangely overdressed ...and there's a cranefly who flies around me and I question him though he don't know much about it. ...and there's a taboo even though those who perpetrate the taboo know all about it. ...and there's a young man who thinks of Metternich and gets away with it and we don't know much about him. ...and there's a window where the elephants are having a parade while we've forgotten about them.
It's not a problem that everyone's the same it's only a problem that everyone's so lame
Rodney King knows why we can't all get along he found it out being clubbed to the ground
But then again, to be fair, we've reached the height of development in our styles of hair
I wish this wasn't the way things were but it is so I'm gonna get out of here ...The revolution turned around on us `till all that was left was a flag-burning amendment ...A devolution is what I say while the poets cry and the poetry has ended ...Then I say OK if this is how it was supposed to be then I'll go along with it ...it's just I can't help it that I somehow get this steady sinking feeling
VACUUM
I read a classic book
They say its worth a look
I sing a pretty song
I sing it all life long
You think its vacuous
It cleans up the mess
I hear the TVs on
I've got my clothing on
V - A - C - U - U - M
I'm in a vacuum
You know you suck me up
V - A - C - U - U - M
Another party's here
Somebody bought some beer
Went into a career
God bless the vacuum
Some more philosophy
I'll have some more please
They're praying on their knees
God save the vacuum
The vacuum is at school
It is the golden rule
The Great man.
Whether you are a fool
Or people think you're cool
Or intellectual
Or you play basketball
Or now that you're a slob
Or have a high-ranking job
MICROSCOPE HEAD
I am nothing to you
But you're nothing to me or to anyone else too
Please don't laugh at me
You are killing me softly with sincerity
If I take one shot it
I'm just trying to prove that you are my equal
You don't like me a lot
But if you hate the original you'll sure hate the sequel
Microscope Head
Take a look at your own head not somebody else's
Microscope Head
Take a sweet sour look at your sickly pretenses
You don't impress me
Pumping all of the water out of the sea
While I sit in a sea of dead bees
Typing brainlessly for an evil committee
Hand in hand with super glue
You'll never leave me and I'll never leave you
But you'll bash my face in
And I'll spit on you and forbid any grinning
Microscope Head
Take a look at your own head not somebody else's
Microscope Head
Take a look at your books and your pointless defenses
What a poor little thing
Trying so hard to part all the water
All alone in the ring
With your hand-me-style and prescription for slaughter
But you too, you're no good
Paying hundreds of dollars for heart-attack food
And not all the women in the world
Can straighten your back or punch holes in your mood
Microscope Head
Take a look at your own head not somebody else's
Microscope Head
You get one caress and one final confession
And you'll never relax 'til the sun made of wax
And the general crushes you both
And a new peace treaty is signed to broken
Microscope Head
THE DANCE OF THE SKELETONS
This is the dance of the skeletons
They bring out the best in him
It's a shame, he's gone insance
Waiting for the rest of the them
They come in packs with Bermuda shorts
Bringing pot luck, playing their sports
It's a waste land of no taste
Entertaining all of them
I worry that you've lost the sparkle in your eye
And it's gone just like one in a million
I said no two snowflakes are ever alike
But you're proving me wrong altogether again
No sound from the shores of
The late night news where the
Children are gathered
To watch the confusion
A pretty young lady promised word
But her warning went quite unheard
It's serene, what a scene
Ending like the Dodo bird
I have told you timely and timely again
That you're one in a million like everyone
And the risk of exposure is too great for you
And you're proving me wrong all over again
I have the heard the dance of the
Skeletons below
I admit, I should quit
Trying to make them go
They are settled in the little town
Making coffee, grinding us down
They're astute, it's acute
Please give me the run-around
In every small town get a big dressing down
That tells you you're one in a million
But a skeleton knows you're as plain as the wood
That makes your small town's Shoe Pavilion
TAG ALONG
Hey, keep your opinions to yourself
Your jeans are the color of your eyes, your eyes are the color of the sky
But the sky is the color of the billboard flashing on and off telling me capri will be half off
Cause it's ladies night
And the feeling's wrong
Why can't I just tag along?
Each time you smile I see demons in your teeth and the demons smile right back at me
You whine and whine about the toss of the dice but you can't eat the whole pie just one slice of life
I can't feel my own heart beating I can't feel my own heart beating I can't feel my own heart beating, can you feel it beating can you feel it beating, can you feel it beat?
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I don't like the idea of new technologies wanting to beam things or point any kind of a laser at my eyes. What are the long term effects? Is my generation going to be known as "back when they used the old kind of laser that used to damage people's eyes". (like lead paint, asbestos, and silicon implants)
I'm buying from a different airline...
So Cowboy Neal will no longer be flying Southwest? Maybe he can be shuttled around on that giant firefighting blimp?
C - A language that combines the speed of assembly with the ease of use of assembly.
"One question I have, how long will you eyes stay on record?"
More importantly, ask how many suckers will be blinded when the airline slacks off on maintaining the scan units?
I don't know how frequently eye transplants occur, but it's a potential problem. Best bet would be combine this with fingerprinting or something similar. I don't think there's much to fuss about here - in ten or fifteen years they'll be talking about dna scanning anyway...
Many people are suggesting that terrorists won't be caught simply because they may already be trusted (have used the airlines multiple times in the past w/o problems) or may have valid IDs. Obviously that isn't the point. The issue is the correlation of data between the scanners and databases of known suspects. If the agencies do not find a way to communicate and share information instead of hoarding it, then this system would be useless. Rarely are these kind of people completely unknown to authorities. How many of the 9/11 hijackers already under some watch list? If this system were to be universally set in place, then the system could conceivably bring up red flags when it identifies several people from the same organization or watch list boarding at the same time. Databases and archives may be able to help track collaborators, if not after the fact. Once you find the person involved, look for patters such as others with whom the suspect traveled.
However it all seems to be a moot point when all the security in the world may make air travel more safe, it will to little if anything to stop terrorism. How hard would it be to find a woody area outside some airport, set up a few guys with normal, high powered hunting rifles or assault weapons and take out a landing aircraft. No one would hear it nor figure it out until days or weeks after it is too late. There is so much security at some events like the Super Bowl, but what about things such as the playoffs where just as many people are around and watch the event live. Maybe even a small plane flying into an airport would work as well. Ever sit on the tarmac for an hour with a dozen other planes waiting for take-off? I'm off on a tangent, and this will likely be moded accordingly, but the point is little can be done to really stop the competent, determined person or group. I'm all for this kind of system as it will provide additional tools to law enforcement. They can already track people using electronic ticket trails, it just takes more time. This just allows for more timely information at the critical times in which it is needed.
Cave, wreck, and deep diver.
I few hours ago I wrote that this is probably IRIS SCAN technology. All you need is to stand near the video camera - plus a data base in the background (this is why they are thinking about frequent flyers). No artificial eyes, no special contact lenses would do. Even identical twins have very different irises. But there was a scene on Nash Bridges where the bad guys got around this technology - they held a gun to the back of the security guard, whose iris codes were already in the data base of the bank! - an unlikely method these days on an airport to fool the video camera/computer search system. Eye transplants may work some day, if they can properly reconnect the eyes to at least stay alive ... for a living iris it does not need to be functional, but the pupil needs to be able to "pulsate".
Retinal scan is more _intrusive_ - probably this is why it's more interesting for the Spielberg like futuristic films.
Well thats what it is. What I didn't notice is any posters suggesting the obvious. Start writing letters. Start sending e-mails. Tell them you will never use their airline again if they start using it.
You see the problem is, if one airline starts using it, and doesn't get boycotted out of the skies, others will follow suit. And after that, boom. We won't have a choice anymore, if we want to fly.
The airlines are not government agencies. They do not have the right to require this type of information or scan of us. If the government started using this type of technology, there would most likely be MANY regulations put into place, limmiting how and where it could be used. More importantly they would probably not be allowed to share the information with anyone other than other government agencies.
Now I'm paranoid of Big Brother getting to much nformation, and too much power. But like most slashdotters I'm more affraid of the folks with the real power getting to much power and info. The corporations that tend to run our governments.
You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely.
If they think they can pull that one off,
more luck to them.
I'm not going to submit to this, as it
could well mean serious damage to my only
functioning eye.
Toon Moene
So after Lasik surgery, you'll be flagged as an impostor and arrested everytime you attempt to board a flight?
... to whip up a fresh batch of gummy eyes.
Oh wait....
Wax on, wax off baby!
In a realted question, what about fingerprints for people that have no hands? Do they fingerprint the artifical limbs they are given? What happens if they change their artificial limbs?
Seriously, are you fucking 2 years old? Think stupid.
Yesterday I was a law abiding countryman. Today I'm a suicidal maniac...
How did the scanner catch the transition?
The point is to stop people who are known to NOT be trusted. Retinal scans are as accurate as finger print scans for the same reasons. The problem is that contacts can do to this what edible fake fingertips did for figerprint scans.
While the upside is dubious the downside is certian. Retinal scans enable accurate automated tracking of individuals anywhere cameras are.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A259 89-2002Jun21.html
You really don't get it. The terrorists are out to create terror, they just want to HURT you. I do not see how allowing certain passengers to bring in guns helps. Even if all the terrorists are disabled/killed during a firefight, the fact that there was a firefight means the terrorists won.
The terrorists just want to HURT you, and many are GLAD to die in the process.
Furthermore a determined terrorist can always get a gun permit - bribe/coerce/trick the right people or steal/hack the right devices and you should be able to do it. Unless you are a small police state, there are limits to centralisation of authority. With a state as large as the USA, one has to delegate and distribute authority unless you want to suffer bottlenecks everywhere (in which case the terrorists win too).
Making things more secure helps, but security has its costs, so if the terrorists can recruit and train enough suicidal people you will lose.
You must also somehow reduce the number of people willing to kill themselves to hurt you.
Cheerio,
Link.
What would happen, say, when you got a cataract or got some bleeding in the eyes? Or terrorists say that they have those kinda eye problems? How easy is it to fake an eye? I remember articles talking about how easy fingerprint scanners can be faked with some gummi stuff. And are everyone's retinas different? Could people have the same retinas?
I have worked extensively in Biometrics. So I'll start addressing some of the concerns shown in prior posts.
1. I'll be blinded if I look into lasers.
Well... yes, you will be blinded if you look into lasers. Luckily, lasers are not used in Iris Scanning. Iris scanning uses cameras to take close up photographs of your eyes. If you're afraid of that... well, people -did- once believe that cameras stole your soul...
2. Someone will mug me in a dark alley, and instead of taking my wallet, they'll take my eyes!
That's possible. (Unpleasent certainly, but possible)... however, despite the fact that you'll be blind, you'll have the satisfaction of knowing that your accounts are secure, because Iris Scanning doesn't work with dead eyes. Iris scans measure the dilation of the pupil, and don't verify unless the dilation is changing (Which is happening constantly in a living eye)
3. Someone will hack the database, and steal my information! Then what am I going to do?
Well, if someone hacked a credit card DB, they could go on a spending spree. If someone hacked a biometrics DB, they'd know what your iris patterns looked like. They could, I suppose, trade patterns with you, but then all you would have to do is say "My name is " and the next time the dude made a transaction using your profile they'd know where he was. Unless of course he hacked -every- biometrics DB and then you'd have a situation like "The Net". Real life imitates fiction?
4. Someone will hack the database and make contacts of my eyes!
This would be a truly impressive feat. There are several hundred reference points on the iris, and not even both eyes on a person are the same. Not to mention they'd have to figure out some way to make the pupil dilate. Anyone who can put that kind of information onto a contact would make more money in industry than hacking into normal people's biometrics.
5. I wear contacts. Will this affect things?
Nope, contacts and glasses are ignored by the system. Sunglasses generally have to be removed though.
6. Is it worth the cost?
Probably not. But at least some of the other concerns aren't valid.
7. Is this the first step to Big Brother?
Not the first. But it would certainly help. I personally removed all records of myself out of the database before leaving the job. (No sense in being careless)
And Remember. ThereIsNoSporkNeo.
With my dying breath, I curse Zoidberg!
This technology can (and will!) be circumvented by a group of motivated individuals. Someone will steal an eye or use a corneal implant or [fill in the blank], hijack the plane and terrorize America once again. Maybe the Air Marshal on the flight is a sleeper agent. An entire Board of Directors came to consensus on the eye scanner issue and their entire company has joined in the effort to make this a reality. Are they stupid? No.
Do they really care about security? Only to the extent which it impacts their bottom line. Remember how much the airlines and the FAA cared about security on September 10th?
Perhaps this technology will help soccer moms get over their fear of perishing alongside their precious spawn on an airliner hijacked by Jesus-hating Arabs--maybe long enough to make the industry profitable again--but it won't be too long before we learn anew the difference between Security and a false sense of security.
"What is the sound of one belly slapping?"
...how do you revoke your eyes, if someone steals the electronic version of them?
Even if the veins in your eyes are only used as a passphrase to encrypt a private key, that's still pretty annoying if someone steals it, and you're required to use your eyes as the passphrase. You can't really use a decent passphrase anymore at that point.
yeah, right, like how is this going to make check in faster?! ok, instead of flashing your drivers lisence to a person, look into at this laser, does your eye twitch? don't blink, i mean it! you want that head rest clean after that greasy hick? please. i'm not sure i get NW motive?
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Don't let Simon Phoenix get inside the airport... he knows how to bypass this sort of retinal scan! John Spartan!? Is that you?
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That's what the online check-in was supposed to be, but see how well that worked? Now online check-ins get shafted. I'd find the /. article, but, well, y'know.
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