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MPEG-4 Hardware Decoder For $99
secondsun writes: "Tom's Hardware has the story. Apparently sigma designs has made a PCI card that decodes DiVX movies in reltime with little processor overhead." Under a hundred bucks, too.
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DivX codec changes so frequently, what are you gona do, flash your card every month?
Remember when the brand spank'n new pentiums and 486s offered hardware mpeg-decoding? Those were the days...
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But how long until there are Linux drivers?
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Hmm, how long until theres a new codec (or modification) that makes it redundant? Just a question.
Coming from sigma designs, you can expect them to get around to releasing the drivers for it in 2008.
My old K6-2 decoded divx fine, why do we need specialized hardware?
Free software implementations of the MPEG standard (2,4) legally cannot be done because the MPEG standard is full of patents, usually requiring payment of licensing fees.. If hardware vendors implement MPEG on hardware, and open the specifications for it's hardware, it is possible to have 100% legal playback of these media on 100% free software systems.
MPEG-4 for older PCs
. To ensure that just about any Divx film can be played back without image dropouts, you should use at least an AMD Athlon with 800 MHz plus or an Intel Pentium III/733.
um right. i have a p2/500 and i can run all divx moviews flawlesly, so the "divx for old pcs" is kind of moot, isnt it?
It looks like a cool gadget none the less, but personally im more concerned by the direction the Divx project is going than what cool stuff i can do with it.
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can it process my SETI@home work units?
Not trolling. Just pointing out that not all that glitters is worth $99.
I mean sure I guess now you could maybe decode divx on a 486 or something, but otherwise I can't see what the point is. It's not like with graphics cards where the cpu cycles saved are desperately needed elsewhere within the same process (the game). What, if anything, does anyone think this card's selling points would be? Maybe if someone integrated this technology into pre-existing graphics or dvd-decoder cards. . .
This card has been out for a while. Nothing new... Only thing that is new is that the DivX codec keep changing every 3 months...
Bob was having a small party in his apartment. His girlfriend, Susan, and their best friends, Tom and Beth, were celebrating. Susan's brother, Tony, was going to college. The two couples were having a great time reminiscing about their college days and exploits. The night was getting late and everyone was about to leave. Just then, two big black men burst in the front door. Everyone was startled and scared. One of them waived a gun and shouted, "Get on the floor, muthafuckers!"
The group all got on the ground. The guys, after getting over their initial shock, began to get angry. "What do you want?" Bob said. "We'll give you our money. Just leave us alone."
"Ahhh, it ain't as easy as that. We ain't here fo' money but we gonna take that too. We're here fo' some pussy."
"No fuckin' way!" Tom shouted. He began to get up when he got a gun butt upside his temple.
"Yeah fuckin' way, muthafucka. Now you bitches get your clothes off before we put some holes in these guys. An' you dickheads get naked too and throw your shit over there."
They all looked at each other with resignation and anger. Susan began to cry. "I don't want to do it. They'll hurt me."
"I ain't gonna hurt you baby," one of them said, approaching her. "But my friend here, he crazy. Got dropped on his head when he was born. He might kill you all even if you do what we say. Now I can keep dat from happening if you nice to us." He looked her body up and down with an evil leer.
Susan looked at Bob and then everyone else. She began to undress.
"Ha ha ha ha! I knew you'd do it. Now the rest y'all need to get yo' clothes off!" he ordered.
Everyone began to slowly strip for these two complete strangers. None of these friends had ever seen each other naked, aside from each of the couples. No one was hurrying to get their clothes off. Once everyone was down to their underwear, they all stopped. "Yo! Ain't no stoppin', muthafuckers! Take ALL yo' fuckin' clothes off!" Beth moved first, sliding her bra straps off her shoulders and unhooking it in back. Her 36C chest popped out and the two attackers stared at her jugs.
"Damn! Check out dese titties, dude!" The short one said. He reached over and grabbed one, squeezing it hard. "We hit da fuckin' jackpot!"
"Hell yeah! Now let's see dat pussy!" Beth peeled her panties to the floor and stood naked in front of everyone. She had a shaved pussy that everyone in the room stared at. "You too, slut."
"Please, my brother's here. He shouldn't see me naked. It's wrong," she pleaded, mumbling.
"Bitch, I don't care if da Pope is here! Get yo' fuckin' titties out!" said the tall one. He waved his gun at her to emphasize his point. Susan shook as she undid her bra. Her boobs were not as large as Beth's but her nipples poked out at least an inch each.
"Oh, shit! It ain't that cold in here, bitch! You getting' off on strippin' fo' some brothas, ain'tcha?" The two guys were almost in disbelief at their luck. Susan began crying more as she took her panties off. She quickly turned around and skinned them down. Her heart-shaped ass was left to show prominently as she covered her breasts.
"Turn aroun', ho. And put yo' fuckin' arms down so we can see yo' titties." She did as they told her. Her hairy bush came into view as she turned. It was a stark contrast to Beth's smoothness. "Awww yeah. I like hairy cunts," the short one said. "Now you dipshits get yo' clothes off too. An' nobody try n' be no hero, muthafuckers." The men looked nervously at each other. Tony slid his boxers down. It was about six inches and only semi-hard. The two black men roared. "Look at junior! He got some wood!"
"Not as much as us tho'," said the tall one, and they laughed some more. The other two took their underpants off. Both of them were had average-sized dicks and each of the girls got a good look at their packages. Susan lingered a little too long staring at her brother's big dick.
"Which one is yo' brother, bitch?" the short one asked, grabbing the back of her neck. Susan tried to point out Bob but she kept looking at Tony. "I think you lyin' to me. You keep lookin' at his dick," pointing at Tony, "like you ain't never seen it befo'. You like to look at it so much, why don' you get a good close-up of it." He then pushed Susan to her knees in front of Tony. He felt her hot breath fall on his manhood and it began to rise to its full nine inches in response. He tried to remind himself that this was his sister but it was no use. Seeing two naked women including one on her knees was too much for his young, dirty mind.
His dick now wobbled in her face. Susan had her eyes closed to avoid seeing what was going on. "Grab dat dick, ho," the tall one said. "Start suckin' on it."
"No, please. I can't do it. Please...," her voice trailed off.
"Look here, bitch," the short one said as he pressed his gun to her head, "can't do it wit' a hole in yo' head either."
Susan began crying harder but she reached up and took the dick in her hand. She began lightly stroking it, feeling its weight in her hand. It was a lot bigger than Bob's. She closed her teary eyes and tried to pretend that she was sucking Bob. She ran her lips up and down while the others looked on. Bob and Tom began to get hard-ons watching Susan give a hot blowjob. They both tried to cover up their embarrassing situation.
"Sis, I'm about to come," Tony croaked. She stopped momentarily, not knowing what to do. The tall man pushed her head back on his dick.
"Nobody tol' you to stop. Keep suckin', bitch," he said. Susan returned to her chore. Tony grabbed her head and pumped his seed into his sister's mouth. The two guys laughed hard. "Taste good? Don't worry you gonna get some mo' befo' we done." He then turned to Tony and said, "Yo' sista's a good cocksucker, right, boy? Maybe yo' mama taught her how to suck yo' daddy? HA HA HA HA!" Tony was enraged but his orgasm had weakened him and they still held their guns.
"Now you girls start doin' each other." They looked at each other and slowly began to comply. Beth approached Susan and took her hand. Beth stood her up and put an arm around her. Susan lamely gave Beth some light kisses. "You gonna have to do better den dat, bitch!" Beth took her over to the couch and sat her down. Sitting down next to her, Beth gave Susan a deep tongue kiss. Susan stopped sobbing, surprised at having her best friend's tongue down her throat.
Beth began to work as if she had experience with women before. She ran her hand between Susan's thighs. Susan instinctively spread her legs, exposing her furry pussy to all the men. Susan took Beth's head in her hands and deeply kissed her back. The boys all felt an extra jolt in their loins. They couldn't help themselves and felt ashamed at their natural reactions.
"Now we wanna see some pussy eatin'," they demanded. The request made the girls tense up, but they obeyed. Beth slid to the floor. She knelt in front of Susan and made a few licks of her pussy, smoothing away the fur that surrounded her hole. Beth's wet slot was displayed to the room as she bent down. Beth's warm and wet tongue made Susan close her eyes in pleasure. She reached out for the back of Beth's head and drew in toward her steamy crack. Both girls quickly got into a rhythm. Susan lifted her hips toward Beth's mouth and began pinching her nipples. Beth licked and swayed her ass in time.
Susan soon was breathing heavy. Her orgasm built up until a few swipes at her clit put her over the edge. She tried to stifle her scream as she felt the waves pulsing through her body. It turned into a low, loud grunting moan as she shivered with orgasm. Beth ran her long hair across Susan's pussy, stomach, and legs adding to the feeling.
Tom put his hand on his dick. He desperately wanted to jack off to the hot scene in front of him. Watching his girlfriend and his best friend's girlfriend having sex just seemed wrong, but seeing the girls together was so hot. "Why don't you jerk off for us, dickhead?" the short one said. He had been caught playing with himself. He froze not knowing what to do. "Stand in front of us and jerk off, I said." Tom stood there dumbly with his hand around his dick. "Yo! You deaf? Maybe I'll put another hole in yo' head so you can hear me." Tom began to slowly play with his dick. He looked at everyone. Their staring eyes caused his dick to soften as he got stage fright. He then closed his eyes and re-enacted the girls' scene in his head, focusing on Beth's hot pink pussy. He imagined sucking Beth from behind while he watched her eat Susan's pussy and then sticking his cock in her. He regained his erection and quickly shot off as his fantasies ran away with him.
"Now lick dat up. Don't wanna leave a mess on da floor do ya?" They laughed again. Tom bent down and licked up his goo. When he finished, he gave a deep glare to the evil duo.
"What should we do next, bro?" said the tall one.
"Time to get some of dat white pussy. You fuckas go over dere where we can see you. An' you bitches get on yo' knees an' crawl over here." Everyone did as they were told. "Hey man, go get somethin' to tie these fuckas up wit." The tall guy disappeared into the back rooms. He came back with a bunch of Bob's silk ties. He put the men's hands behind their backs and tied them up.
"I think you girls know what to do next." They began to undo the pants of their attackers. Out flopped two huge dicks. The girls looked at each other in disbelief. The men sat down on the couch and leaned back awaiting their undue reward. "Start suckin', bitches," they commanded.
Each of the girls took the large man-meat that was in front of them and began to give them blowjobs. Beth took the long cock of the tall man and Susan began bobbing on the short man's dick. Their dicks slowly hardened in the girl's mouths. The girls had more and more trouble as the cocks expanded their lips. When they were both hard, they told the girls to stand up and turn around.
"Now tell yo' boyfriends how much you wanna fuck us brothas."
"I want to fuck you," Susan said unenthusiastically.
"Yo bitch, I can't hear you! Now speak up and make it sound like this big black dick is all you want." He pressed cold steel against her back.
"Honey, I want to show you what a dirty girl I am," Beth began, looking back at Tom. "I'm going to show you what a slut you have on your hands. I'm going to let these big black men fuck me silly and do what ever they want with me."
"Yeah, yeah. Dat's mo' like it. Now come bounce on my dick, ho."
Beth stood up and slid her pussy over the enormous cock beneath her. The guys watched as the dark rod disappeared into her plump shaved pussy. She began moving up and down on this ebony pole. He grabbed her boobs and manhandled them. This got her going even more as cunt juice poured out of her.
The short one grabbed Susan and forced her back on her hands and knees, facing away from him. He quickly primed her pussy by sticking three fingers deep in her pussy from behind. He then shoved his gigantic dick in. She cried out in pain but he kept on ramming her. She had no choice but to keep taking the biggest dick of her life. The sensation was like nothing she had ever felt before. It was like sticking a baseball bat up her pussy. She couldn't believe that having her hole stretched to this extreme turned her on. He came and filled her cunt with a torrent of white sperm. His cock slid out and his sperm gushed out of the open space between her legs. Her hole stayed open, wanting the void to be refilled.
The tall man pushed Beth off his huge staff. She tumbled forward to the floor. "Now keep your ass in the air," he snarled. He began working his cock in her tight asshole. Now it was Beth's turn to cry out. She had put a dildo in her butt before but never a dick and certainly nothing as big as what this guy was packing. He got his cock head in her and thrust it home.
"Ahhhhhhh! Noooooooo!" She gasped. "It's too big! Take it out!" she begged. He did what she said and the pain began to subside, much to her relief. But then he stuck it right back in. The tall man began pumping her asshole. He watched as her asshole couldn't recover from his dipping in and out. It remained wide open when he pulled out completely. He then plunged his entire length in her ass. She screamed again and he ignored her pleas for mercy. Her taut ass cheeks rippled furiously with his forceful pummeling.
Susan watched them, captivated by the movement of seeing her best friend getting anally raped. The short man put a finger up her ass. She barely responded as she was used to some anal action from Bob. The man's finger was about the same size as Bob's small dick. He then stuck a second, then a third finger in. Now she began to feel her sphincter stretching and felt some pain. He then placed her in the same position as Beth with her head on the floor and her ass exposed to him. Both women were having their assholes reamed.
The tall man pulled his hard dick out and told Beth to roll over. She did as she was instructed despite the burning pain she was felt in her butt. He grabbed her huge tits and put his cock between them. He rode them to a quick cum that drenched her face in his sticky spunk. It dripped off her face on to the floor. "Hey yo, get yo' bitch to come over here and lick my cum up off the floor."
The short man used his dick like a joystick as he led Susan over to the pool of mucous that was forming around Beth's now slimy face. Beth was panting from the workout she had just received. Susan closed her eyes and timidly stuck her tongue in the puddle. It tasted different than Tony's but it wasn't unpleasant, she thought. She briefly was taken away from the nightmare by remembering her earlier blowjob. Her mental interlude was snapped as the renewal of the constant banging in her ass reminded her what she was to do. She sucked up the cum quickly and then gave Beth a wet kiss to share some of it.
"Why don' you faggots put on a fag show fo' us while we continue to fuck yo' girls," the short man commanded. Susan was moved around to watch her man have gay sex. The tall man dragged up Beth on to the couch. He began biting roughly on her nipples.
"No fuckin' way, you motherfuckers!" Bob yelled. A gold-toothed smile and flash of the gun quickly shut him up. "I'll get you assholes for this," he muttered under his breath. Beth was sent over to untie the men. They looked at her cum-covered face and the bite marks on her breasts as she bent down to loosen their bonds. None of them knew how to start. Tom finally broke the ice by reaching over and grabbing Bob's dick. Bob flinched a little but knew he had better do what these two men told him to do if he wanted to live. He was ready to pop after seeing all the depravity that had been paraded in front of him. Tony duplicated the move and began stroking Tom. Bob completed the circle by playing with Tony's cock. They were all tentative in their movements, perhaps hoping that it wouldn't go any farther than having to give each other a handjob. But they were wrong.
"You boys betta start suckin' some dick." The short man laughed. "Unless you want us to start puttin' holes in y'all. Show yo' ladies that you like suckin' dick." The girls waited almost in anticipation as the men had frozen with this suggestion. Tony moved first. He went down on Bob. He stuck Bob's dick in his mouth just like all the porno movies he had seen. Almost immediately he gagged from the flood which escaped Bob's pent up dick. Bob glared at the two men as he was embarrassed by cumming in Tony's mouth. Tony then moved over to Tom and began sucking.
Beth was extremely turned on by this. She slid down and began sucking the huge black dick that was beneath her without being told. Keeping her eyes on the men, she began imitating Tony's motions on the rod in her mouth. Bob thought he should do something so he reached down for Tony's dick. He tentatively licked Tony's hairy balls, flicking them back and forth under his tongue. Bob began to move his dick in Tom's direction. Tom grabbed it and began stroking him. All three men began to get into sucking or stroking being done to them.
The two black men couldn't stop laughing as they saw how much the guys were getting into it. "Let's see some ass-fuckin', you homos," said the short man. Again the guys hesitated as their terrible situation was being taken to another unwanted level. "Lick some ass, faggots! I can tell that yo' bitch likes it up da ass. She ain't complained once since I stuck my big ol' dick in her." Susan had a look of guilt cross her face but no one saw it as it was replaced with a look of pleasure as he plunged his dick in her ass to its full length.
Tony bent over on his knees and elbows, offering his ass as a target. Tom had Bob slick up his dick with saliva by sucking on him. Then they took turns rimming Tony's asshole trying to make it wet. When Tom thought Tony was wet enough, he pushed the head of his dick toward the tight hole.
"Uhhhhh! That feels incredible!" Tony exclaimed unexpectedly. Tom grabbed Tony's hips and began pushing his cock in bit by bit. Bob moved to put his dick in Tony's face, hoping it was taken as a way to pacify the two men, but secretly wanting more of Tony's incredible cocksucking ability. Tony opened his mouth and Bob slid his dick in. The trio soon coordinated their penetrations of Tony and began to look like a synchronized fucking machine. Bob grunted and shot his second cum down Tony's throat. This one surprised Tony. His butt suddenly tightened and squeezed Tom's dick. It was enough to make him grab Tony's hips and fill his bowels with jizz. He slipped out of Tony's ass and nearly fell over dizzy from his hard orgasm. Tony reached down and jerked himself off. He came on to the floor beneath him from the feeling of having Tom's throbbing dick in his ass and the cum that was leaking down on to his legs.
The men were all woozy from the amazing intensity of their orgasms. The short man pulled his huge fuckpole out of Susan. Beth grabbed his dick and began to suck it voraciously as she alternated between the two men. The smell of her friend's asshole lingered but she didn't care. He was close and he pulled out of her vacuuming mouth. He added to her previous cum shower by dousing her face with his wad.
Susan went over to Beth and began to lap up the cum off her eyes and face. Beth continued to suck the all man's dick so Susan slid under her and began to try to get her off since she had not cum yet. Beth's sticky, wet pussy was stuck up in the air and began to sway back and forth as she felt Susan's tongue in her pussy. Tony was still horny from being fucked in the ass. He looked at the wide-open hole of his sister's pussy and could not help himself. He crawled over to his sister and stuck his raging hard-on into her gaping cunt. She just purred and hummed on Beth's pussy as he thrust his raging hard-on into her open cavity. Tony shot his second load deep into her as Susan panted softly. The tall man shot yet another series of ropes onto Beth's face.
"Now all y'all fuckas get yo' asses over there," the tall man said, pointing across the room away from the door as he pulled his pants on. The group gathered by the couch, tired from all the fucking. The two attackers grabbed all their clothes, shoved them in a trash bag, and took it with them. As they walked out the door, he said, "It's been a pleasure." The pair's loud laughter echoed as they down the hallway.
The gang sat in silence thinking about their experience. Tony couldn't look at his big sister after what he had done to her. Susan went over to him and gave him a hug. "It's okay, baby," she whispered in his ear. "You couldn't help it. They made you do it." Her words made him feel a little better. Everyone agreed that they would never tell anyone about what happened but whenever they got together they always thought back to the experience.
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I use my software tv out for playing divx still. The drivers were shitty. (win2k fresh install) The only thing that they would have given me is the ability to fast forward and rewind with the remote control on my celeron 900.
It comes with it's own horribly skinned app, which crashes consistently on my computer.
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CPUs are getting faster and faster, and since processor intensive tasks are getting exported to cards what the hell do you need your cpu for.
If you are using that card that means that you are watching a movie so you are probably not doing anything else processor intensive.
I guess there are some porfessionals that need to do processor intensive tasks in the background but thats not true for most people.
I guess microsoft needs to work extra hard to ensure newer versions of windows soke up even moreprocessor power.
Is that better than real time? Why can't you guys do even a cursory spell check?
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For $99 you can buy more memory and a decent video card that will benefit more than just one application.
My old computer is a Pentium II 233 w/196 MB SDRAM and 32MB video card. I have it hooked to my TV, and it plays DivX just fine.
Doesn't the MPEG-LA alliance expect a user to pay .25 cents per hour of play back?
The more I think about it, the more I wish MPEG4 would just die and something new and better would spawn from somewhere.
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I think you left out a period in that link. Might want to check those more closely before you hit post.
This product is (right now) of little use, as linux support is not out there yet... But I am a little amused by the "need a 733+" idea of DiVX decoding! Xine (http://xine.sourceforge.net/ ) lets me decode fullscreen divx on a measley PII266, and with the addition of a Creative DXR3 (20-30 on Ebay), you can display anything that xine will decode onto a TV (s-video) through the card. New codec, no problem. The card simply outputs the xine-decoded information. Beautifully, I might add. And the card includes an S/PDIF coax output that functions nicely as /dev/dsp!
Just a thought, as this is a linux-friendly solution, and is completely codec independent.
(caveat --> Using the DXR3 actually re-encodes the video stream into MPEG which the card can decode in hardware. Doing so is fast (using FAME), but takes a little more oompf that a pII266. 350-400 MHZ is more then enough, however, to decode DiVX, reencode at 100% MPEG, and still act as a fileserver : )
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After comparing 100% software playing and "assisted " playing I can see a big difference. The H+ has been out for a while (cheap now!). I've decided to give it a second chance and use it in a Multimedia/PVR/MP3/Whatever station.
These cards are great, save for the fact that you can't pipe their output onto your monitor without using their vga pass-through cables. Real Magic cards simply lay the video image on top of the images your primary graphics card provides (that is, the image of your desktop, command line, etc), and for some reason they can't do this internally and instead use an unshielded vga cable--if anyone knows why I'd appreciate hearing about it.
The result is your video windows look great, but on a good monitor you see a lot of image degradation from the pass-through. Sigma Designs has used this poor design for a some time, at least since their first big dvd card.
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The em847x is a very nice chip and cries out for being used in STBs. It is the successor of the em8400 which was used in the netstream PCI cards and in some STBs and which provides a great MPG1/2 decoder with a very high quality TV picture. The great thing is that some of the em847x chips are pin compatible with the em8400, so that manufactures don't have to change their layout.
The only shortcomings are that it only provides overlay for the display on your PC, i.e. no DMA into the graphics memory like most TV capture cards. That's of course because of the paranoia of the DVD consortium.
There will probably also be Linux drivers, in the same fashion as for the em8400 (closed user space and with a pass through kernel module) which is unfortunate and ill designed. That means no video4linux or Linux DVB API support (although you can probably get the latter also closed source).
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So in other words, if Microsoft decides to try this angle in the hardware business, Richard M. Stallman will finally be able to try out Windows without offending his free software sensibilities.
It seems to me the real benefit of this.. is that we should see some consumer level devices playing divx soon.. ie next gen dvd player ..
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-Mark
So does this mean that this will never work in Linux, or what?
"I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
Reasons why it might be useful to have a hardware MPEG-4 decoder:
1) Latency, latency, latency... You wouldn't want to miss 1 second of Baywatch just because you are compiling now, would you?
2) Embeddable solution... Look ma, no X! Just slap one of these puppies in and you can run your fav OS with high-quality TV out... assuming someone doesn't try to prevent drivers from being written for it...
3) Encoding possibility... Heck, if hardware decoders exist, hardware encoders can be built too! I just hope they wouldn't be too expensive.
4) Hiiiiiigh load... I can just see some bragging in the future: "Hey, I can play a DVD and write a CD and rip a CD and record a TV program all at once!"
5) The future... People, realise this, in a couple of years your PC architecture is going to be a CPU that delegates tasks to the dedicated sub-CPUs. Look at the 3D card industry if you want an example.
Things that might not be cool:
1) I don't need one! Nobody's going to buy this one because they can already play the stuff!.
2) Too expensive! $99 is a sizable chunk of salary where I come from. (Don't ask). I'd rather save that to invest in my next PC.
3) Not enough features! Bundled with VGA output for dual-screen, this would have been very, very useful. Bundled with TV capture, this would have been a shoe-in. Bundled with an encoder it would have been... glorious!
I'm not going to buy one. If they bring out an encoder, I will buy one!
I would rather have a DIVX hardware ENcoder. Something that allows you to rip^H^H^H make safety copies of you DVD collection in less time.
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I believe that as consumers find video and audio to be an increasingly important part of their computing experience, increasingly more operations will emmigrate from the main processors, onto auxiliary processors designed and programmed for specific purposes.
The good ol' SGI machines, for example, could have up to 12 "graphics-only" processors, if I remember correctly. Nowadays, as home computers are approaching (and perhaps even surpassing) the raw speed possible with the good ol' SGI machines, perhaps the idea of multiple specific-purpose processors and one (or more) general-purpose processors makes more sense.
Right now, these are available in the form of add-on PCI cards, but I believe that as standards converge and begin to stabilize, you'll find motherboards produced with an assortment of processors. For example, a motherboard might be produced with on-board processors for:
You might even put an implementation of X on a CPU specifically designed for the purpose, thereby offloading even more crap from the main processor. In other words, these specific-purpose processors could offload quite a bit of crap from the main processor, making your applications a lot more responsive, even while you've got a ton of really intensive stuff going on. And if you buy cheaper hardware that doesn't have one or more of these "standard" chips, it'll just happen in software, and slow down you system accordingly.
Oooooooh well.
(It could read CDs with 1 file burned on um).
That'd be good
What wouldn't be good (who needs it?) is this here card.
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Do you even know what MPEG-4 is? Because it sure ain't CCs Divx, and you sure can't play CCs Divx discs in any drive I've ever seen for a computer. No, not even a DVD-ROM...
... In my experience, the loop connections between these decoder cards and the video card degrade the image quality so much that it's very hard on the eyes when you're NOT watching movies.
I had a hardware decoder to play DVDs on my old P2 400 years ago - it was great watching a film with only 5-10% CPU usage, but I had to keep switching the plugs around at the back to get real work done. If someone comes out with the same functionality with a card that communicates internally with the normal graphic card then I'm all for it, but I wouldn't buy another "pass through" solution...
Code, Hardware, stuff like that.
MPEG4 and DivX are not the same thing. The confusion arose (as all confusion does) because of Microsoft. Microsoft decided that they'd call some Windows Media Player format "MPEG-4" because they were confident that, as they had a monopoly on the OS market, their format (not compression scheme; just file format) would be chosen for the MPEG4 standard.
Instead, it turned out, the commitee working on MPEG4 chose the superior QuickTime format. DivX was based on the WiMP format. And now we have all this confusion.
MORAL: Don't count your chickens before they hatch
I built a dedicated box with a Celeron 333 and a Matrox G400 card with S-Video out just to stream my DiVx's to my TV set. Not so sure if testing this card on a Duron 600 constitutes a TRUE test of this cards capabilities.
Eddy.WriteLinux.Com
So if the market's still so healthy, why can't they sell parts?
I'll tell you my theory, which is just that - a theory. I don't have numbers to back this up, it's just based on what I perceive.
Gone are the days that we drool over our friend's new rig with oodles of megahertz and megabytes. A 400 MHz machine with 128 MB of RAM and a 15 GB hard drive will run pretty much anything a consumer requires, save for games. Before everybody you know had a computer, the machine you bought two years ago isn't fast enough now (meaning 2 years after you bought it) to run those productivity apps that really would make a difference in the way you work.
Add to that the fact that the low-end PC market has become hugely competitive, with computers down into the sub-$400 range. Profit margins are lowered, and while methods of reducing costs have been introduced, they haven't kept pace with the dropping "going rate" for an entry-level computer.
It used to be that $3000 would buy you a nice machine that would be a top performer, even in terms of 3D graphics. The Dell sitting next to me was about $3300 back in April '98, and it was definitely one of the nicer desktops available at the time. But to get similar performance relative to current technology now, I'd only need to spend about $2000. And there are lots of ways (including lots of companies) to arrive at that price.
Cause Tom doesnt test it. That's why. He has no idea what he's doing. I got one of these cards, it cant play ANY divx movies that I have. divx3 or 5 encoded. NADA.. I dunno what this card is good for. BTW I got it for 49 dollars (excluding tax/shipping) from LimeNet
From the article...
"A distinction should be made regarding the different Divx codecs: only films using version 4.02 or higher of the Divx codec are supported by the Sigma Designs decoder. In our test field, the recently launched Divx 5.02 codec did not present any problems. "
wheee tommy found he can get a 10-12% cpu usage on a 650duron XP box by spending $99 on a card.
take a linux box, with framebuffer, and play a divx with mplayer. I *did*, it was a duron 700, I maxed out at 10% cpu usage. did I have to spend an extra $99 to do so? no.
More cards, more power, more heat.
Opps, there goes another slot, as well as all the driver issues involved in supporting it.
I'm not the only one to see this, but it deserves to be mentioned in any list: The card will quickly get out of date compared to the newest codecs. Updates, if they come at all, will likely be so slow to appear that most new videos will always be a version ahead of the card. And, of course, if the manufacturer goes out of business, or looses interest, or doesn't support the same favor of M$ software that you want to run, you have a hundred dollars worth of junk.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
Hmm... I have a PII 450 that plays divx movies just fine. Even in Windoze Media Player!
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I could watch those movies on my old 550Mhz machine. Today I've got an XP1800+ and that's not even close to top end. Does anyone even sell 500Mhz computers these days? How many people are watching divx movies on 500Mhz systems? How many of _those_ people have a hundred bucks to spare for a special video card?
Seems like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
Nobody can sue you (and win) for writing computer programs that uses patents, because a patent must be novel. Mathematics and computer science are natural and therefore not novel.
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What I want is a board for video capturing with a decent mpeg encoder chip on it. No a co-processor... a real mpeg encoder that does correct 3-2 pulldown detection, deinterlacing, etc. To get a really good quality video capture on a PC means capturing with any of the many video capture boards using a codec that either doesn't compress at all, or just compresses a little bit... then taking the .avi file and running it through an mpeg compressor that can do the de-interlacing, and whatnot... all to end up with a DVD spec mpeg file. Using a real-time codec usually means crummy quality.
What I want is a board that has an mpeg chip, similar to what might be in a standalone DVD recorder or a TiVo, that will take an incoming signal and spit out a good quality mpeg file in real time. Standalone DVD recorders can do it, so surely a PCI card can too.
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Development of an MPEG4 chipset is very cool since it could be incorporated into PDA's and handheld movie players that wouldn't cost a fortune and feel like they just came out of a pizza oven.
I don't see a cooling system on this card, so these chips obviously don't run too hot.
stop spreading this misinformation. DivX is your ENEMY, not your friend. It's non-standards based, low quality and INCREDIBLY expensive for developers. Ignore DivX, use MPEG1 or REAL MPEG4 (such as included with QuickTime 6 - not free). DivX is total shit.
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Sorry, you're wrong. Wish you were right, though.
You can patent software. You can then sue people who make software which violates your patent. You can win.
It used to be the case that computer programs were legally considered similar to mathematical algorithms. Being abstract ideas, they can't be patented. (It's not that you can't patent math because no math ideas are novel; it's just that you can't patent math ideas because they're too abstract to be patented.)
Now, however, most governments (including USA) and other patent-granting authorities grant patents on software. You can't create unauthorized implementations of MPEG codecs without infringing on some valid, enforceable patents.
Sucks, but it's true. It would be *very* hard to argue that an implementation of an MPEG codec is somehow "natural" and not original. It would be slightly less difficult -- though futile, since this question has been decided by the courts already -- to argue that an MPEG implementation is just a reflection of abstract mathematical ideas, and is thus not patentable.
Mpeg-4 is the format that DIVX movies use. Mpeg4 is the format developed by Mpeg-la that apple is includeing in quicktime 6. 2 totaly different standards that have similar names
...just how many empty PCI slots does the average user have available these days? Somethings gotta give...
You know I used to be in the game of having the latest and greatest, and now you can get a good box for about 600 bucks. with an audigy and geforce 3 128....
But my box is a celery 533, 392 megs of ram, a 64 megabyte radeon 7000, and onboard sound.
It runs window 2000 server, proxies 2 machines, and I can run Max Payne at 800x600 with great framerates. all this with AD, Information Server, all kicking in the background.
DIVX stuff runs just fine.
I do support from home so I need em in front of me to walk people through stuff.
The other two boxes are P// 350, one with Linux and one with XP. Developemental boxen.
So in my mind this card is worthless, I mean even my old celery plays divx fine.
I am quite proud of myself of not having done anything to it but add ram, change the graphic card and add a burner. Total of 200 bux in three years.
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I wish they'd make this an upgrade for their Hollywood+ DVD card - then I could watch the DVD's I've ripped to DivX on my TV ;o)
The Hollywood+ is much nicer than my All In Wonder for TV output, and it only cost me £35 three years ago.....
#include <sig.h>
"Why should I buy an add-in card?"
Uh, because most old systems are AT?
My dedicated video/mp3 box is a Pentium 233MMX w/ 128MB RAM in 72 pin SIMMs. I've gone through the trouble of painting the thing black, including the drive bezels, and I've loaded it up with what I wanted it to have (i.e., 100baseT ethernet, 20GB hard disk, SB AWE32 sound, etc), and the box itself was given to me by someone who didn't want it anymore. The DVD Decoder in it is a Sigma Labs Real Magic Hollywood Plus, and it outputs beautifully at 800x600 for my video projector. The computer itself plays mp3s without stuttering, and I don't really have any reason right now to replace it. It's also a desktop case, rather than a tower, and is the same size as all of my component AV equipment. There are ATX cases in that form factor, but the case alone will cost a hundred bucks, so I wouldn't be saving any money by upgrading the machine to a Duron 1.0GHz processor, new motherboard, new RAM, new sound card (mine's ISA), etc. And, I have the extra benefit of having a TV-Out on the current card (which would also be on the Real Magic X-Card) so I could send to something other than my projector, like a regular TV or VCR.
The "Duron Solution" is no solution at all.
IBM had PL/1, with syntax worse than JOSS,
And everywhere the language went, it was a total loss...
I'm not surprised it went over your head.
... is an MPEG4 hardware encoder for $99...
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- The solution involving the loop cable seems slightly antiquated, since conventional TV cards use a Conexant chip, which writes the data directly via the PCI bus into the graphics card's memory. The solution from Sigma Designs does offer one advantage, however - the PCI bus is not overloaded, thus avoiding problems, particularly with older computers. The manufacturer also cuts costs with this solution.
It's not "antiquated", it's "stupid". There has never been a technological reason for this. You don't have to use the PCI bus to write directly to the frame buffer. The "vga feature connector" has existed much longer than any local bus (even predating EISA.) The BS about bus saturation is laughable -- exactly what would be competing with the PCI transfer? As for costs, that is very much a proven lie! (They may claim that it's cheaper only because the technology is already developed and they won't have to devote developer time for a new driver interface. But don't let Sigma's marketing people fool you, the silicon for that hardware overlay is not cheap and certainly not free.)Anyone who has ever dealt with Sigma Designs, Real Magic, et. al. knows very well why the external, analog overlay is there. It's there for one almighty reason: DVD CCA licensing rules. There is zero chance the decoded content can be "stolen" in digital format. Rumor has it, even the external SDRAM on the card doesn't hold the decoded data during playback. Where I live, that's called "paranoid."
They tested this card out on Tomb Raider? My respect for Tom's Hardware just went down a notch or two.
Dyolf Knip
Yeah, just like how specific genes in DNA are natural and therefore not novel.
So tell me, exactly what DNA strands are all those biochemical companies patenting?
That's right - the ones inside your body, my body, and virtually every human being on the planet.
In the article, I mean. There's so much advertising dreck on Tom's Hardware now that it's too tough to read the articles. You get about half a screen worth of text and then have to click on a new page.
will it work in an Xbox?
Would this card also provide superior MPEG1 and MPEG2 quality vs the RMH+? I would like to purchase this card because my amd tbird 1.2 ghz is too slow. I have a RMH+ but I'm willing to replace it if need be. The tv out of my gf3 ti200 is nasty and makes me want to puke.
I've seen a lot of people talking about how DIVX runs flawlessly on their computer. Apparetnly, they haven't installed Divx 5.x, which requires far more processing power than my P2-450 can handle.
To test this, go into the code settings, get the Divx 5.0.2 code, crank the quality to maximum and turn on the new features that they added(some include hardware-acceleration of some sort).
Then you'll see how slow your PC is.
The solution(for acceptable performance in most cases) is to put the Divx quality all the way down to minimum.
So there you go. Either I upgrade my CPU, get a new computer, or buy this card. I have 320 Megs of RAM if anyone cares.
Keep in mind that Dell conveniently forgot to ever update my BIOS so that it would detect Pentium III CPUs.
I'm too poor to afford a new PC. So it looks like this is the best option for me. Although the fact they're using VGA pass through sucks.
Lastly, DVD decoder cards offer much higher quality video than software decoders. It's probably due to some post-processing via the hardware.
Ok. I'm done.
Could you provide a link to "Doc Mercury's guide to DVD ripping"? Thanks.
I tell you, there is little else that I would rather do than watch a movie on my computer while I am downloading gigabytes of data, while also doing a "make buildworld". pretty cpu intensive stuff if you ask me...
I am no expert, but it seems that there are a whole lot of DivX and MPEG4-variants out there. Which ones does the card play, which ones will be developed in the future, and will the card play those? Do they provide specs for how to drive the card or do the users of Free operating systems have to reverse engineer those? Just some questions that popped up in my mind.
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What fraction of time could this be? I am not so sure!
Not just adequate, brilliant.
Thanks for the info. I still don't see how software is an actual "thing" since what really is going on is just a microprocessor executing instructions; couldn't someone just say they generated every possible set of CPU instructions and nullify any future patents?
Got friends?
Of course, I'm sure the price will drop to something like $20, and assume the real use of the technology is for living room equipment that is not yet out. I support that use, but a PCI card sound just stupid. Where is their market?
Neither mathematics, nor computer science (nor for that matter physics, chemistry, astronomy, etc...) are "Natural". There are patents in physics and chemistry, for sure, and patents on mathematical algorithms, too.
This card quietly does what requires a fast CPU with a large power requirements and fans.
If you want to build a HTPC (Home-Theatre PC), what would you prefer:
1) A 1GHz+ CPU (AMD or Intel) with it's noisy fan and power supply, and a software DivX/DVD player - 30W-70W for the CPU alone.
2) A tiny 17cm x 17cm VIA EITX board with a fanless Eden 500MHz or 1GHz C3 CPU and a $99 hardware playback card? - 3W-9W for the CPU.
If you want to build the ultimete HTPC, you want NO fans or other noisy components. The use of EITX boards allows you to build a system with only passive cooling.
Unless, ofcourse, money is no objection - in this case, try:
http://www.signum-data.de/english/index_eng.htm
for an expensive but totally quiet system.
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Thanks, Tom.
Why not mention that not everybody has a motherboard with high CPU-RAM bandwidth between the processor and the memory?
In particular the 8500 chip. They have a reference DVD player design, which just needs an IDE DVD transport, front panel and PSU to be up and running. And it's tiny. I like reference designs; they make it much easier for small companies to put together interesting kit that the big guys don't see a big enough market for.
Correct me if i am wrong, but i thougt that the
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driver which supports the em8470 decoding chip according to the changelog.
One other thing:
I always thougt reading news in english
is a guaranty for timely information.
tomshardware took nearly two month for the translation and now its news on slashdot.
http://www.de.tomshardware.com/video/02q2/02053
With current > 1.5GHz processors the overhead with Divx is a gnat's fart anyway! Yawn...
As far as I know the MPEG4 standard only specifies how it can be decoded. How to get from uncompressed data to a valid MPEG4 stream, is left as an exercise to the codec programmer. Not to mention how to find the best-looking stream of all the valid ones (for a given size, otherwise bigger is better). I don't think the playback filter has changed mucb, it's the encoding that is changing all the time, adding new features and settings to squeeze the most detail out of the input stream.
Kjella
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I have an old p2400 (...)
Yeah, I replaced that old crap with a p2533 too, 2.4GHz is just outdated. [TODO: Insert witty pun about a AMD at crawling clockspeeds still being faster]
Kjella
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Personally I think that would be a lot more interesting... I'd like to have some nice little box running it. Even a mini-pc looks big compared to the DVD/mp3 players. Now a DVD/MP4 (or mpeg4 avi)/MP3 player, and I'm buying. My PC can run this without problems in software, so it really misses my marked. Or combine one of these chips with a DVR solution, would need hardware encoding and/or a network interface, but that'd also be great...
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
for divx. It does okay on TV captures, but DVD rips are unwatchable.
A lot of you guys say that you can play divx movies on 500MHz boxes etc.
I'd just like to say that this is, at best, conditional.
I currently have a 1.2GHz t/bird, and I can site several examples where I get choppy playback. If, for example, I play my ST:TNG dvd rips, it gets choppy. Same for the Harry Potter rip (Reg.4 is 4:3). Both were done at full rez, and, relatively, high bitrates.
My point being that, the quality of the playback depends on how the movie was compressed in the first place. I'd LOVE to have a card like this, which would allow me to painlessly play my DivX flics in a window, while the cpu is free for me to do, for example, my LightWave work...
$99 tho stings...
I'm checking the sites almost daily to see if the 1 ghz Via C3 cpu has come out yet. It's been reviewed favorably, but has not hit the market yet.
Why? Because although it's kind of wimpy, it's cheap, it has the oomph to decode DVD in software, and IT CAN RUN WITHOUT A FAN.
Perfect for my own tv-companion PC project, building a TV PC inside the case of an APEX AD-1200 DVD player (the $65 one that Circuit City sells). The AD-1200 uses a standard IDE DVD drive, so all I have to do is get a C3 in there on a small motherboard along with a power supply and hard drive. Woo Hoo!
Jon Acheson
All opinions expressed herein are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled.
If you run Linux and your cpu can handle it then install the dxr3 driver from dxr3.sourceforge.net and use mplayer. Mplayer converts the DivX(or whatever format it can handle) to mpeg and sends to the card.
MPEG-4 was designed for software decode. If you want better quality, you should be using MPEG-2. My 1700xp drops frames every so often with MPEG-2, but that's why I have a hardware decoder. It makes no sense to decode MPEG-4 in hardware, unless you're trying to get a piss-poor system to render divx.
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For example, Winograd's algorithm allows you to compute the product of two complex numbers with three multiplies and five adds instead of the usual four and two. (This was used to save CPU cycles on machines where multiplies *used to be* expensive.) This is not patented, neither is it patentable; it is a tautology.
Inventing a new progam that does something interesting, in a novel way, with complex multiplies is patentable. (farfetched e.g.... Using complex math in a new and improved text-to-speech processing method would get through the USPTO.)
Disclaimer: I've only played movies on my work laptop, which is 1.1GHz, and haven't tried it on my 233 MHz PII at home, since I don't currently have a broadband connection and downloading by modem is too annoying :-)
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
I'd pay good $$$ if the card would send the video to my graphics card over PCI, instead of the video feed-through mess.
If they can patent a gene, which is about as "natural" as you can get, they can patent a program. And who would argue that a gene is novel? After all, most everybody has all of them.
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The best use I can think of for something like this is multichannel video from one server-- if you can drop two or more of these cards in a mid-range box you could make all kinds fun multi-display distractions on the cheap.
Virtual fishtank on three walls of your cubicle! Whee!
I guess that means that Ogg Tarkin hardware is only 10 years away now!
Calm down, it's *only* ones and zeroes.