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Adult Swim Revamps; Removes Most Anime
E. Megas writes "According to a Collegiate Presswire story, Cartoon Network (Probably due to its recent acquisition of Futurama) is expanding its Adult Swim schedule to Monday through Thursday starting January 12th. The "Comedy" block on Sundays will stay, but except for Inu-Yasha and Cowboy Bebop (Which will replace the Toonami Midnight Run block on the weekday slots) the Saturday "Action" block will be gone. This means that the legendary series Mobile Suit Gundam will not be aired in full for the second time in a row on CN. Future airings of Yuu Yuu Hakusho and Outlaw Star-And the planned re-airing of Gundam 0080: War In the Pocket-Are thrown into doubt by this decision as well. More schedule details in the article. (Anyone else as frustrated by this as I am?)"
Same delicious Cartoon Network, now with no MSG!
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I would care if any of the stuff on CN wasn't dubed/edited to death
I'm pretty damn fond of anime, but no TV series has ever done it for me and most just down right piss me off(Dragonball Z, or anything with big eye'd overly-cartoonish characters). If I need a fix, I'll throw in Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust, which is my new favorite, even above Ghost in the Shell or Akira.
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First of all, CN modifies many anime horribly for content. Entire storylines are sometimes cut out of longer series.
Secondly, if you're already into anime, you can probably find most of the titles they show at the local blockbuster.
Anime has already gone fairly main stream. It's doubtful whether Adult Swim brings in very many new viewers, so I'm not too upset over them, either.
Exactly how is "Mobile Suit Gundam" legendary ? Let us not cheapen words. Its like the newspaper headlines which say that "this is an historic moment for America", for even the most commonplace events.
No.
I wonder if this is a sign that Anime has peaked. The Action channel (Encore) quietly killed their dedicated anime line-up, though they still have it, and now Cartoon Network is removing theirs.
Maybe there's not enough viewer support for broadcast anime, as opposed to just buying it off of DVD...
To be honest, I'd take Futurama over Anime any day of the week. Openly, and readily. Without question. Yes.
I've learned recently that Anime rather annoys me. It's all too cliched these days, what with seeing it every which way you look in some way shape or form.
And then you have the people who know the names of every character from every series and can link every relationship in every way shape or form. And... yeah, that's migrane-inducing after about 10 minutes.
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Because they didn't get the viewers. This means they think there are more people who will watch the new stuff.... and bugger all who would watch the old stuff.
If you want to see it all, go out and buy it...
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Then you should try the short shift we get on Australian CN. Anime at the moment is just repeats of Gundam Wing, DBZ, the two Zoid series and Neon Gen. The newest stuff we have had is Zoids: CC. No Tenchi, no 08th team. While I feel your pain, you have it good!
Cartoon Network may be one of the only places where you can get your anime fix on cable, but their overediting and bad dub jobs are notorious among hardcore fans. I'd much rather watch Futurama than that terrible edited version of Outlaw Star they air, or god forbid, more photoshopped Tenchi.
Maybe they could add a Saturday Action block that was subtitled. Adults can read, right?
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Nope, sorry, not me. I'll be fine as long as they keep airing Cowboy Bebop, which is pretty much the only thing that interests me on Cartoon Network at the moment.
It's probably for the best. This will encourage me to actually go out and buy the DVDs for the shows I like, rather than just tape them off of CN. (And no cutting that way, too)
:P
Plus, Futurama will find a new home. It is a very underappreciated show, and I'm glad it can be shown somewhere were it will won't be constantly preempted by sports.
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If inuyasha and cowboy bebop fill the midnight run spot will dragonball z still air at that time?
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True anime may have showed up here and there in the mainstream, but it lacks the appeal of American we-want-to-sell-toys cartoons, save for a few lousy watered down anime-based shows such as Pokemon, etc.
It's no huge surprise that Cartoon Network is cancelling those shows, as the fanbase in mainstream America simply isn't large enough to support such a small group of Anime fans, as obsessive as they are.
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I don't know much about Cartoon Network over in the states, but here in the UK things are actually improving. We now have an extra channel 'CNX' which shows a lot of anime stuff, some live-action movies (lot of hong-kong action movies) and the more adult cartoons that they wouldn't put on the regular channels.
As far as I know, Cowboy Bebop has never been shown in the UK before this channel.
...here I come. Seems the local rental place is the only place to get good stuff I haven't seen already.
Cowboy Bebop is great, probably the best dubs there are, but CN's shown them so many times, I know 'em all, and there's no reason for me to set aside time to watch it on a weekend night when I can be out with other anime-watching friends and rented/purchased DVDs.
Inuyasha's a good series in the fansubs I've seen, but the dubs just ruin it for me. Yuu Yuu Hakusho has caught my interest somewhat, but mostly for the jazzy theme music. DBZ is funny, but after you've seen a few episodes, you've seen 'em all.
I'm still saddened by the fact that only 13 eps of Big O were ever made... and that I missed about half of the last season of ReBoot. Grrr.
Oh, well, at least it looks like we're getting another season of Stargate out of Sci Fi....
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This is the only reason to watch adult swim.
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Who cares, as long as they keep "Home Movies" -- it's the funniest and most enjoyable show on television, hands down. Along with the Daily Show, it's one of the last two reasons I keep cable.
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Zap2It also has details:
The Cartoon Network will soon expand its "Adult Swim" block of animation for grown-ups (in age, anyway) to five nights a week.
Starting Sunday, Jan. 12, the two-hour block of comedies and Japanese anime will air at 11 p.m. ET Sunday through Thursday. Adult Swim currently airs only on Sundays and Thursdays.
At the same time, "Futurama" will makes its Cartoon Network debut as part of the block. The cable channel recently acquired rights to all 72 episodes of the Emmy-winning series (it returns to FOX Nov. 10), which will air at 11 p.m. Monday-Thursday.
"Since we began Adult Swim, the goal was to build it into an across-the-schedule franchise," says Jim Samples, Cartoon Network's executive vice president and general manager. "Now we have the depth in our Adult Swim programming portfolio to make it happen."
Sunday's lineup will be devoted to comedies, with "The Oblongs" at 11 p.m., "Mission Hill" at 11:30 and "The Ripping Friends" at midnight. The 12:30 a.m. slot will feature a rotation of Cartoon Network originals "Aqua Teen Hunger Force," "Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law," "The Brak Show" and "Sealab 2021."
In addition to "Futurama," the weeknight slate features "Home Movies" at 11:30, "InuYasha" at midnight and "Cowboy Bebop" at 12:30 a.m
The reason the action block is being removed is that Cartoon Network found that a large number of kids were watching the block. The purpose of 'Adult Swim' was to have animated programming on the air that was aimed at adults. The ratings they were getting said that a lot larger block of kids were watching the Saturday night programming, thus the change to the 'school night' lineup. Granted, they have those unnecessarily long warning, but they have to show this because otherwise stupid parents would complain (and probably did anyway), and because Cartoon Network is still filed under a kids programming station.
The purpose of Adult Swim is to help Cartoon Network transition from kid's programming to an over-all entertainment network. The expansion of the Adult Swim franchise should be seen as a good thing, especially seeing that Futurama will be added to the weekly block. I think there's a lot more of us that will appreciate Futurama having a regular home than those who cared about the animes listed above.
I know I'll sure enjoy seeing Futurama every weeknight, and as long as the Sunday block is left alone, I'll be alright. The real issue with the new schedule that I have is whether Space Ghost is still on the Sunday block or not.
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'Cause some of it's good? Oh sorry, I can't answer cause I'm not a nerd? nm
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Can anyone find an email address to contact these people at? I can't seem to find one on their web site.
Not that I'm deluded enough to think that they'll actually care about what I have to say, but the anime geeks at my college were the ones largely responsible for having the campus subscribe to CN, and I have a funny feeling that then the next channel survey comes up, I'm guessing they're going to be rated rather lowly.
And yeah, American cartoons are so much better: Filled with ego-maniacs, stuttering pigs, slurring cats, gender-ambiguous birds, etc., etc. I'm really not a wannabe asian, and saying that anime is a gateway to pedophilia is a little like saying drinking mountain dew is a gateway to cocaine; I do however appreciate a good story ark, and producing shows that are more than degenerate collections of insipid one-liners is something that Americans absolutely suck at.
So anyway, does anyone actually have a contact email address for these guys?
First, they killed Zoids: Chaotic Century. They're killing off G Gundam. Now they're killing off the best block they have for ADULTS?!?!?
If they're comming out with Toonami Double-A (Action/Anime) Channel soon, *I'LL GLADLY SUBSCRIBE*. But they're alienating an increasingly large amount of folks who don't get the deal with Ed, Edd, and Eddy, Courage, Johnny Bravo, and a ton of repeats and fillers that we've seen before or can predict the plot down to the exact second.
GAH!
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Does it effect the hardcore? No, they've probably got the DVDs, videos, or DiVX copies.
... Why should that be frustrating?
Does it effect the casual fan? No, if you're a casual fan and they stop showing them then it just fades away in your memory. If you really miss it, buy the DVDs or whatever, otherwise just forget it.
The only people I can see this really effecting is the average non-fan whom the anime geeks of the world wish would get wise to anime. The only "frustrating" thing is that anime is no longer as extensively offered to those who don't care for it enough to seek it out.
Just because you LOVE anime, and think anyone with any sense whatsoever SHOULD LOVE anime doesn't mean it's Cartoon Network's duty to expose it to them, and frankly a large segment of western culture will never get into anime, and would much rather watch the Oblongs, Futurama, Undergrads, or whatever. All I'm saying is - Let them.
...Also, I didn't know Buggalo could fly.
Like calling every woman entertainer a "diva". No, Britney Spears is not a "diva".
... So I wouldn't have to be subjected to this foolishness?
I'm going to admit to not only an addiction to Samurai Jack (best American toon in ages) but yes. I love "powerpuff girls". I put that in quotes cause I know some twit will make some chester comment.
other than that I'm not moved about the changes. I only ever got to see adult swim every once in a while and if its good anime, like any good show or movie, I'll get it on DVD
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So, is the unedited fight between Goku and Freiza 6 seasons long?
While this is bad news, even more horrific is the announcement that Comedy Central has decided not to renew the critically acclaimed "Let's Bowl!" for a third season. Between that news and now this, I may just crawl up on my roof and dismantle my pirate satellite and unplug my stolen cable in protest. That'll teach 'em....
now what am I gonna do at 12:30am????? Pr0n?
:(
It might not have been great anime, none the less it was a step toward getting great anime some US airtime.(and it was cheap) If nothing else it did make it a little easier to get more good stuff in main stream places. (Suncoast, Blockbuster)
Oh well, guess some things just were never meant to be common-place here
Did he finally get back to Japan, or Kansas, or whatever?
Oh, who am I kidding, I don't really care.
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The details of US TV schedules are hardly appropriate for the Slashdot front page. Why not make a separate category for these purely local discussions?
Not that! Not the third overnight Sundays-with-a-full-moon block of yadda-yadda oddly-Western-looking-character Japanese cartoons! AGGH!
Oh, wait, I have a life.
You, however, may resume panic ... ;)
I'm all for anime, but honestly I never watched the Saturday night block anyway due to my crazy desire to be social once in a while.
Their Sunday lineup is ridiculously good, though. Aqua Teen Hunger Force and Sealab 2021 are some of the funniest stuff on TV (along with The Simpsons, of course). The possibility of seeing these shows, Futurama, and whatever other great stuff Cartoon Network can come up with four nights a week gets me all excited.
I'll just continue to purchase the anime I really want to see on DVD and get the stuff that isn't available on my side of the pond from those glorious fansubbers out there. Yay.
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I, in contrast to many /.ers, am upset, not for myself, but for some of my friends. Some of my friends don't like much of the raw, uncensored versions of anime, nor do they care to read subtitles for the entire show. They don't mind a little flesh and blood here and there, but beyond that, most anime is too much for them. They found CN's Adult Swim to be a happy compromise.
Also, some of my friends are in college dorms or someplace where they get free cable with their housing, and normally, they will not go out of their way to pay for anime, but since CN was providing it, they took advantage of the free anime.
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1) Adult Swim Action couldn't possibly have had worse promotion. Note: squeezing as many action clips as possible into 30 seconds does not a good commercial make. That synth-voice sucked. And a little cross-network advertising that actually targeted the right people would have been nice (Sci-fi good, CNN bad, stoopid).
2) The shows they picked could have been better. Specifically, they could have been for adults, and furthermore shouldn't have been edited down to a pre-teen level. Things might have gone rather differently if they had Hellsing or Excel Saga or Hajime no Ippo headlining (provided the dubs don't suck - I don't know).
3) The Inu Yasha dub sucks terribly, for a headlining show. Pilot Candidate sucks, period - I was changing the channel with extreme prejudice when that came on. MS Gundam is interesting from a historical standpoint, but not much else. OS and Tenchi had already been shown way too much already.
4) I wonder how many times they'll re-run Cowboy Bebop before they realize that adults, unlike kids, tend not to watch shows ad infinitum. This is the problem with ALL CN shows, and especially with AS. At the very least, they could run a show all the way through (anime series are almost all ~13 or ~26 episodes long) in a prime time slot once, then switch to a new series, and eventually rerunning it in a less watched time slot for the rest. Of course they best way would be to run it once in a blue moon and make it an event, and show LOTS of series.
5) Anime != Action. Tenchi is not action (nor is Sailor Moon over in Toonami). Anime covers a broad spectrum of genres and is generally marketed to specific target demographics. Grouping shows by genres is bad - it makes people compare. Grouping shows by demographic is good - it ensures people keep watching. No demographic wants to watch for more than 2 hrs, and most will watch for only 1.
6) I can barely stay up 'til one, even on Saturday, and am rarely in the mood to watch 3 hrs of programming at a time. Also, Saturday night happens to be when a very large chunk of the AS demographic has better things to do, like appeasing the girlfriend or going to a LAN party. It's an awful time slot. (For the record, I think a better pattern would be for 1hr per night Su-Th, with different shows targeting different demographics each night, like prime time on the networks but shorter. I.E. adults can just tune in at a certain time and something new for them will be on. Unfortunately late night is hard to program through, with the Midnight Run conflicting, The Daily Show competing, and Bed calling.)
7) Nothing ventured, nothing gained. ASA had little problem attracting the hardcore geek contingent. It might've survived if they tried attracting other people too.
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No VCR either? Most people I know have one of those, even if they have a TiVo and DVD player.
Cartoon Network only ever airs bad dubs, even on their Adult Swim blocks. This really won't be a problem for many anime fans, and I suspect that few people are brought in by the horrendous quality of the American voice actors. Note that this says nothing about anime running during the main time, like the Big O sequel that Cartoon Network is financing.
As for anime peaking, I suggest you start looking at places other than US TV channels, who have notoriously bad taste in the first place. TokyoPop constantly has trouble printing enough of the manga series it owns the rights to to meet demand. Anime distributors often license series before they're finished their Japanese run, usually based on the popularity of the fansubs.
Siezure lawsuits.
Seriously, everything that has been cut was nearing its natural end of life; Gundam is the only one that hasn't been on that long. Also, try to remember that Cartoon Network is going from showing 3 hours of Adult Swim anime to 5. It's pretty likely that Cowboy Bebop will be replaced by another new acquision soon, given the fact that the 26 episodes will be repeating every 5 weeks on the new shedule.
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Asides from CN's toonami offerings, they really don't carry any action oriented cartoons (besides samurai jack or justice league/batman).
There are plenty of action oriented cartoons out there from the 70's-today, i'm just curious why they don't show any of them during prime time, but instead show endless repeats of their home brewed comedic cartoons. I would believe that showing old episodes of x-men, transformers, gi joe or he-man would be cheaper than producing new cartoons.
Additionally showing some action toons (or even the simpsons) would be a nice change from a mostly comedic primetime lineup.
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I can see why their shutting the anime portion of Adult Swim, personally. What are they showing that's going to appeal to anybody? They've pissed the hardcore audiance off by chopping the crap out of what they show and their simply isn't enough content to generate a critical mass of moderate viewers. I mean Inu-Yasha? That's hardly something that's gonna draw the average viewer back. Goddess Canidate (or whatever it was really called)? That just stunk. And I know, lets fill our time slots up with TWO Gundam series, one of which is damn near unwatchable to moderates and newcomers because it's so damn old, classic status be damned. Cowboy Beebop was a step in the right direction (clue: it's being kept in the line-up) as was Outlaw Star. But then they fill valuble time slots with that Spirit Detective crap. Their are 500 series out their better than the majority of what they're airing, and THIS is all they can get the rights to?
Yeah, Adult Swim anime isn't going anywhere... Wonderfully self fullfilling prophesy these cancellations are too.
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I happen to know that there are at least 14 Sealabs. (picking nits, I know, just thought I'd help you find the missing one) Here's the lineup as I know it:
01 - Radio Free
02 - Happy Cake
03 - I, Robot
04 - Chickmate
05 - Predator
06 - Lost in Time (I said it was dodgeball time, bitch)
07 - Little Orphan Angry
08 - Waking Quinn
09 - All That Jazz
10 - Murphy Murph and the Feng Shui Bunch
11 - In the Closet
12 - Stimutacs
13 - Swimming in Oblivion
14 - Der Dieb (aka Martian Law)
Adult swim isnt just anime. Shows like harvey birdman: attorney at law, and Sealab 2021 are hilarious shows with many adult only jokes, and many jokes that only adults would get.
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i modded you up b/c i completely agree. bebop is random as hell, an amazing series for those who might have a preconceived notion that they dislike anime. too bad there are only about 25 episodes, that's going to make reruns appear on CN every 5 weeks. not that bad, but definitely going to get old considering futurama has 72 episodes.
:)
anyway, back on topic. you can own the dvds by purchasing piecemeal off half.com. bebop is dark and shadowy, with an odd conglomeration of characters that you can't help but love. there's a lot of the story you aren't told (some of which i still don't know) and you have to derive from the shows. this really draws you into the series. anyone know what a datadog is?
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...and realized I should have read it a bit more closely in the first place. As you can see, the programming changes are for the most part close to what I suggested. Late night will be consistently adult, which is good. (BTW: I like the non-anime AS [except the Oblongs], and Futurama is a good buy). I'm surpised they're removing the Midnight Run for IY/CB, but I suspect they'll just move it to an earlier time slot. Well, it beats the Looney Toons / Tom and Jerry dead zone!)
/.ed) IY and CB will now be on every night. Which is bad for CB because of the rerun effect but OK for IY which is long, at ~ep89 in Japan. There's no reason they couldn't slip more new anime in there later. I just wish they had more variety (different day = different show, which does not seem to be the case).
More importantly... This doesn't necessarily mean the anime is gone! OS and MS Gundam was originally Toonami, and Yuu Yuu Hakushou was originally intended for it. Perhaps they're just moving back. And the high-ratin' moneymakin' Toonami ain't going nowhere. If I'm not mistaken (and I can't tell if I am since the article is
In summary, there's no solid info that adult anime is doomed on Cartoon Network, and plenty of reason to be optimistic about the expansion of Adult Swim itself.
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Folks, try being a little more tolerant of those of us who do care. I don't use Macs, but when a Mac story comes up, my response isn't "I don't use a Mac, why should it matter." Same with half of the topics that show up here. But I do show some courtesy to the people who are interested, and politely step away from it, and find a discussion that does matter to me instead. So just a little reciprocity please. After all, News for Nerds means more than just Tech News.
But there are enough of us who do care, not just because of the individual programming change, but because of the continuing degredation of the network and changing it into KidsWB2. Oh, and the man at the helm: Jamie Kellner. You know, the guy who thinks that it's illegal to take a dump during commercials. Hell, if that's not enough to enrage the collective, we really are screwed.
Passing thought: "Baby Looney Tunes"? Oh, my eyes, my eyes!
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"Sailor Moon wasn't really a kids show until the editors got ahold of it."
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You think Sailor Moon the original is not suitable for kids ? Was it anything to do with the occasional torture, death, crucifiction of main characters, the nudity, the homosexuality or perhaps the main character being a new Messiah ?
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Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Buddy! I've been itching for some more Brak. 13 episodes is not enough!
Futurama is a great addition. Now go get Family Guy!
As long as they keep Brak Show, Sealab, and ATAH, they can show "The Animated Adventures of Goatse Guy" the rest of the day for all I care!
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Finally, math books without any of that base 6 crap in them.
I'd try webmaster@cartoonnetwork.com
This search yields some interesting results- cartoonnetwork@cust-help.com privacy.adultswim@turner.com are two examples
Though I'm sad to see it change, Adult Swim really never was the anime showcase I hoped it would be. Don't get me wrong-any stateside (and UK) exposure that Cowboy Bebop can get is good, but what about when critical elements and sometimes entire episodes are edited out?
The question is: Is it better to have mainstream exposure, even if said exposure involves compromising the artists' original intent? In my case, no.
Besides, aside from Bebop, it's not like they were really taking any risks. Sailor Moon and Gundam really aren't all that left-field anyhow. What I'd really like to see is somebody doing a regular late-night run of stuff like Bebop, Lain and Jin-Roh with as few edits as possible. Something like the old Kung-Fu Gold run back in the '80's.
They can't expect a huge fan-base, but they can expect a small, very dedicated one, which, from a marketing and promotion standpoint, is much better anyway. Most of the audience for this is 20-35 year-olds, who are very likely to go out and buy this stuff on DVD if it impresses us.
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Obviously we can't expect high budgets; CN doesn't have that much money for original series - but their policy of, on the one hand, grabbing (nearly-free) Japanese series that do have a fair amount of adult themes, and on the other hand, only funding the creation of new shows that are nothing but adolescent humor is pretty obnoxious.
i'm sharing all 13 episodes on gnutella, if you want to download them.
Oh, that's right -- I'm not at home watching TV on Saturday nights! :)
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there's a 3 minute or so short animation on adult swim called captain linger, there's a few of them. i was never able to record them when they played, and no one on any of the p2p networks seems to have a copy.
does anyone have or know where i can get a copy? i'd be happy to trade for my complete collection of sealab 2021, aqua teen hunger force, brak show, harvey birdman, or futurama.
TIA.
'Shin Seiki' translates as 'new century.' 'Evangelion' is an adaptation of a German word meaning 'gospel.' Therefore, the Japanese title would translate as 'Gospel for a New Century' or 'New Century Gospel.' Gainex themselves, by the way, chose the title 'Neon Genesis: Evangelion' for the English title, which is why the average hardcore anime fan doesn't scream about it. It makes sense, if you think about it; 'Neon' invokes images of modernity, technology, cold and sterile science. 'Genesis,' aside from meaning 'beginning,' of course, evokes religious overtones to the average North American. 'Evangelion' is close enough to English words such as 'evangelism' to evoke similar images, yet odd enough to feel somehow different, or other. Kind of evocative, when you put it all together.
You'll notice all sorts of German-isms throughout the series, if you know what you're looking for.
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Given that I don't care and I have that conspicously turned off. Instead they use "TV".
(You forgot to mention transgenderism!)
Sailor Moon will always be a kid's show. The uncensored version had some occasional bits that conventional American families found objectionable- their loss.
Nudity and sexuality aren't evil, twisting choice pieces of a religion into entertainment is commonplace, and large scale violence (99% consequence free!) is an accepted staple of Saturday morning cartoons. Adult fans like to cling to those elements as proof that they're not really watching 24 minutes of commericals for pink plastic jewlery, but they're in denial.
The only part of Sailor Moon that I would hesitate to show to American youngsters is something you didn't mention- because of drastically different firearms ownership laws in Japan and the US, portrayl of kids playing with a real-looking toy gun might be a safety-hazard in America. (Or an invitation for a lawsuit)
Although I'm sad to see the Anime go from adult swim, I believe it's going for a reason.
The big problem that I saw with it was that CN appeared to take the easiest and safest way out when it came to the shows they selected. They looked for shows that were pretty much dubbed already and threw them into a sat. night block. MGS has been translated (badly) for years now. Yu Yu Hakusho, although translated pretty well, is nowhere near as harsh as the actual show Was.
I would like to see Trigun, Bezerk, Slayers, Lodoss War or Hellsing here, but I know it would never happen and what would happen to it if it did. For Example Trigun has too many guns so you risk some kid blowing his head off cause he thinks he's Vash (Or as I like to refer to it, SKS - Stupid Kid Syndrome). Hellsing Would make the Christian Coailation go Insane, Would be edited to death because of all the Violence, blood and raw gore, and again back to SKS.
Like Cowboy Bebop? Good. There's a boatload of anime that is similar to it. maybe not with the same amount of charm or style, but identical when it comes to the action, gunfighting and the like. The American Viewer Seems to like the "Gunfighting, Die-Hard/Dirty Harry like, action packed, one man killing Spree" genre so give it to them instead of stuff the're not interested in at this time.
Oh. And finally, I know that almost all Recent anime anymore is either a CardCaptor Anime, (YuGiOh, Fighting Foodons, Cardcaptors, ETC) or a Pocket Monster Anime (Transformers Armada, Pokemon, Digimon, ETC). Unfortunatly this stuff is coming over here because it puts SKS to a good use when it comes to getting the Kid To spend their Parents money. Don't Judge anime based on these. There is a Lot of stuff out there that will appeal to just about anyone. You just have to go looking for it.
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and i hate to say it, but the addition of inu yasha to the lineup makes the disclusion of gundam (or most other big robot series) seem like a HOLY BOLT FROM THE HAND OF JESUS, as far as i'm concerned (and i've watched quite a bit of anime).
anybody who posts "well, the only one i liked was cowboy bebop" has their head in the right place, but inu yasha will change your mind-- unless, of course, it's dubbed so terribly that all the characters are somehow dull and obnoxious at the same time.
as for those who say they "don't like" anime... to somebody who knows what they're talking about, that's like saying "i don't like fruit"... you've obviously only tried the bad ones.
grizzo: totally insecure, but very convenient.
I get enough 'soap operas' on daytime TV and switching past the SOAP channel. Anime seems so similar to me; I just don't enjoy it- there's so much backstory...and all the flashy radiants that occur when someone says something profound cheapens it for me.
Now, if Neil Gaiman does Sandman in Anime, I'm buying the CD set!
And some of the cartoons on AS are kinda dumb...even if they have hilarious dialog. A couple of nights ago I saw a meatball set fire to the neighbor's yard...and a milkshake get abducted by Germanic aliens. It's ugly, but it's funny and absurd....and most importantly: Not been done to death!
And as boring as it might sound, I like the Katz-esque cartoon a lot. I could watch it like we did Seinfeld when it first came out. What's it called? The one with Coach Mc Gurk...
"I don't know, Brandon...it never came up..."
Of course, I'm probably in the minority...AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING FUTURAMA FOR A CHANGE! I kept missing it when it was on mainstream TV somehow...
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Cartoon Network needs to spin the anime to a new Anime Network. They could run pokecrap and hamstertron and such during the day, then more action and adult type stuff later at night.
At least Lynch's Dune had style. Yeah, they diverged pretty heavily from the story of the novel. Yeah, Sting is a little embarrassing. But it's one of the best looking films of the 80's. And come on, José Ferrer is the Emperor, and Kenneth McMillan positively rocked as the Baron.
The Sci-Fi Channel miniseries just had no style, visually or otherwise. Given the choice, I'd rather watch Lynch's version.
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adult swim airs after 11:00pm. Most parents don't have their kids awake at that time. The only people watching cartoons on weekend nights from 11pm-2am are stoners and dorks. Hence the target demographic for the various cartoons, dorks on saturday night, stoners on sunday night. Apparently the dorks were just setting their Tivos to record the anime and skipping the commercials, so they lose out. Go stoners!
And while we're on the subject, no more fucking Scooby Doo reruns, please!
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the story, or at least the butchered version that manages to get on TV here in the US, seems hollow and lacks any semblence of warmth. I find it hard to care about any of the characters. Cowboy Bebop grows on ya, but it has always had good character development.
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
I don't think Mission Hill is canned, I think they're just writing new episodes. It's still listed on Adult Swim's website as current programming...I think it starts up again with new episodes in November. They're for sure putting out the new 15-minute block cartoon episodes. (sealab, brak show, harvey birdman, athf) Thank god, the old episodes were getting...well...old.
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Ok, here is the lowdown for those of you that don't follow the Adult Swim (AS) news postings on other sites.
Adult Swim was designed to be a late night block of programming designed to appeal to older audiences, and was intended to be aired after the normal pre-teen audience of CN was in bed.
The first season of AS, took off, as CN was able to secure the rights to many cartoons that never recieved their full run on their original stations. (Home Movies), it also became home to the williams' street cartoons (sealab 2021, Aqua teen hunger force, harvey birdman, Space Ghost C2C) The thursday airing was identical to the Sunday airing.
The original airing I believe was
1 Hour of home movies
1 hour of williams street
1 Hour of Cowboy Bebop
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The ads with fat people swimming in a pool gave the brand an identity, as many of the targeted viewers remember lothing adults that could swim at their own risk at public pools and YMCA's when the lifeguards took their break every hour.
Cowboy bebop was only slightly edited to remove a few S words, a few T+A shots, 1 nude scene, and some blood. The content was never really altered compared to other anime.
The big censoring of bebop came after 9/11. During the first run of Cowboy bebop, Episode #22 was never aired because of the terrorist/bombing subject matter and the building that was blown up that was way too close to looking like the WTC. (bebop was made in 98).
Soon after spring 2002, CN changed AS to AS comedy on sunday nights, and AS action on saturday nights. This was an interesting move. Many fans found problems with the anime censoring. The reason is that cartoon network only had some new anime ready for air, and they originally intended to air it for toonami, so it was edited to toonami's standards. New aquisitions will be edited to the AS standard.
Although the comedy/action split still produced ratings, it also devided the AS audiences.
Now the new schedule has anime and comedy runing next to each other again, and to quote why this is a good thing is the owner of jazzmess.com a cowboy bebop fansite, Fata Morgana:
My personal thoughts on this change: I like the fact that the different sides of the block are mixed again. To a certain degree, putting "action" and "comedy" on different nights felt as though they were just trying to segregate the anime from the other animation. What this doesn't leave much room for, in my opinion, are "accidents." By which I mean, that Space Ghost fan who thinks that anime is crap accidentally leaving the television on after SG and discovering the greatness that is Cowboy Bebop. Or the other side of the issue, the anime fan who's waiting for CB turning to Cartoon Network a little early and accidentally catching the last ten minutes of Home Movies and realizing that yes, in fact, it's damn funny. Another possible (though not perhaps probable) effect of this change is that animation (Japanese or otherwise) that doesn't quite fit the "action" or "comedy" mold might get a chance to be shown on the block. Pure speculation, of course,
So ends the current history of AS. CN is trying to pickup rights to animation that never really recieved their fair shot by the networks they started on. (cowboy bebop only aired half their episodes in their first japanese run). And in some cases the response is good enough to put some shows back in production (home movies).
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I've been a big anime fan since '95, and I'm just floored by how much commercial anime is out there, and by how quickly new series are licensed. For example, Chobits was licensed before the first season even finished in Japan. .Hack//Sign had similar timing.
New anime companies are springing up out of the woodwork these days. I remember when you bought your tapes from AnimEigo, Manga Video, ADVision, Viz, Pioneer, and U.S. Manga Corps. There were a couple of smaller companies out there who existed largely to publish one or two shows, but that was about it. Now there are some 15 or so companies all buying up anime as fast as they can negotiate deals, and all hoping to get serious money off a single consumer-base.
It's not going to happen. Anime fandom has grown exponentially in the last two years, but I can't see it being anywhere near big enough to support all the companies out there. A lot of them are going to crash and burn, because their little money-making ventures didn't pan out. Anime as it currently stands is a fad. Sure, to us, its devoted followers, it represents pretty drawings, real plots, and disproportionately good musical scores. But to the people who are generating the most money for these companies, it's just a fad.
Cartoon Network seems to have noticed that you can't just slap the word "anime" on something and expect people to watch it, and I have a feeling that when all the things that were licensed at Anime Expo this year hit the streets, we're going to see similar behavior from the DVD distributors.
The anime market in America is going to crash in a big way in the next year or so, and honestly, I'm not going to miss it. I'd miss it if I had some faith that the two-dozen or so companies translating anime and manga (the 15 quoted was just for anime) actually cared about the quality of their work. I'd care if I could actually afford to buy even a tenth of what is put out commercially. If 80% of these companies went out of business tomorrow, I probably wouldn't notice. The hard-core fans would just go back to their fansubs, and that would be that.
Ten years later, we'll all have nostalgia for those funky Japanese cartoons we all used to watch. The real anime boom won't come until all cultural barriers are broken down, and we can watch Japanese, Chinese, French and Israeli TV just as easily as we watch Fox and NBC. By then there will be nothing strange about it.
I don't think I've ever seen a "Squiggle-vision" cartoon I didn't like. Dr Katz was great. Science Court was great. Home Movies rocks.
And yes, I DO need a life.
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There already is a seperate Anime channel. You just probably can't get it in your area of the world. It's pretty much a carbon copy of Cartoon Network before Southpark came on. They created a channel to have an way to make a few bucks by just airing out all these old episodes that have been around forever. It's cool seeing G-force where the kid doesn't stutter, but come on...Transformers and other 70s/80s drek? Bah.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
I work for the company who makes Home Movies... kind of.
... I guess a cool adult cartoon is being made by a book-club company :)
We used to be Tom Snyder Productions (www.tomsnyder.com) and we had a division called Soup 2 Nuts (www.soup2nuts.com). We were owned by Harlequin (you know... the cheesy romance novel guys) but then we got bought by Scholastic (www.scholastic.com) (surely you filled out those book-club forms when you were a kid) and now Tom Snyder and Soup 2 Nuts are divisions of Scholastic.
So
P.S. S2N also made Dr. Katz a while back.
I agree, I know this may make me unpopular around here, but I hate anime (most anime).
The rest of adult swim is great, particullary the Aqua Teen Hunger Force.
Where else can fast food crime fighters rid the world of giant evil rap star spiders?
No where but Adult Swim...
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I was not saying that nudity and homosexuality are evil- in fact I think Sailor Moon is a kids' show, and is suitable as a kids' show- everything I mentioned is OK by me, but I realise that it would offend most Western parents.
I know the part you mean with the gun but then the image of Chibi-Usa pointing a gun at Usagi is just too funny to take out. (It happens again in one of the movies).
Also I would like to point out that at least *I* am not in denial. I know SM is a kids' show, and if I were Japanese I would probably not like it, but the reason I do is because it is from a different culture and is interesting.
Anyway, you can just look at the manga, which came first, and see the same elements as the TV show, and the manga was hardly "merchandised" at all.
Violating the ancient traditions for truth and justice (eating while walking in Shinjuku) it's the Sailor-suited freak, Sailor Graspee!
No contest. A great book will always win over anything anime, animated, audio, or video. Why settle for less than the best (that you can get) in anything? :{)||
Yeah, I know it was getting anime out into the main stream, but I'd be happy with an HBO type channel where they could show cowboy bebop in it's complete form without having to edit it into something acceptable for the censors...
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
Blockbuster has the most depressing selection of anime I've ever found. Hollywood Video has a slightly better selection, but it's still lacking. The greatest annoyance is when they buy the first two discs or tapes of a series like Neon Genesis Evangelion and never mind about the rest.
Even Netflix suffers this problem, and it's annoyed me enough to make me cancel my subscription in favor of GreenCine, another online DVD rental store that charges $2 more a month than Netflix but has an exponentially more complete anime collection. I've only used them a month and I'm already relying on them for my commercial- and edit-free anime fix.