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eDimensional Wired 3D Glasses Review
Julio writes "Today at TechSpot we have reviewed eDimensional's Wired 3D Glasses, based on the original 3D Stereo technology that became popular a few years ago, these revamped version of the glasses seem to offer much more value and compatibility to the table. Adding amazing effects to games we tested which include Jedi Outcast and some other racing and flight simulators, this item could easily make it into your holiday shop list...
"The images looked very cool, and I spent about 10 minutes gawking at my new surroundings. After playing around with Jedi Outcast, I was ready for more. I checked the supported game list, and just about every game I had was listed there.""
....I can't even get my asus glasses to work wth anything....can this be that much better?
These things always give me a head-ache. Also, how do people with glasses manage with these?
Will it let you see the fnords?
"My God, it's full of trolls..."
I'll only buy these if they support my favorite porn sites and virtual girlfriend games...
I worked at SGI for a while - they had stereo goggles years ago, even had a couple of pairs lying around. No one used them at all because they gave people SEVERE headaches....
But I currently have them up for sale. After purchasing them, I tried to get them to work with my ATI Radeon, and it had limited support.
It worked great for browsing the 3D pictures on their website, but when it came to games, nothing I did could get it to work properly.
I then tried it on my friends NVIDIA card, and we got quake3 working, and I have to admit, it is a lot better than the previous 3d glasses (ie; asus). After playing with them and being amazed for about 30 minutes, all I could really think though was 'novelty'. They didn't enhance game play in any way, and it actually took relearning some of my trained reactions in quake3.
Unfortunately my main goal was to get it working in Dungeon Siege, and I could never accomplish that.
2.5 stars/5
eDimensional means 2.71828dimensional.
It could be as simple as one eye with a cataract (cloudy vision), so you begin to rely solely on one eye.
Wake me when they start to have glasses that can fire lasers into your eye to display images. It could possibly bypass the cataract and other ocular anomalies.
-Cyc
/.'s 10 Millionth
this. These were originally developed for helicopter sims, when you're flying a 10 ton bird 10 meters off the earth at 200 knots, depth perception becomes very important.
Of course, now they cost a lot less than $10,000 a pair.
The funny part is just how many anti-globalization peaceniks who hate the militray would just cream their Guatamalen pants to play with these, I guess military stuff is bad, unless you find it entertaining.
... would these glasses make my bash prompt look any better? Or emacs, for that matter.
Hate me!
Amount of fun provided by 3-D glasses (1 to 100)
divided by
Inverse of number of minutes until splitting headache
equals
Headache Quotient Factor
Hopefully HQF is > than 1000.
anyone else ever tired these out? alot of games i play would require a good sense of depth of feild to be playable. if they make the images appear at the "wrong" distances then i wouldn't care if i could reach out and touch the images.... now p0rn sights with this might be interesting....
I was only able to get the first page before the Slashdotting killed it. Here ya go...
Computers offer the best and most impressive gaming graphics, besting any other console found on today's market; however as of late we have the PC losing some ground as a gaming platform due to impressive development efforts from the popular console makers; a relatively new system with a powerful graphics card offers the most realistic graphics you'll ever lay your eyes on.
Not satisfied with that, PC gamers are always looking for the next best thing to enhance their visual experience. Some might purchase a flat screen monitor; others may choose a faster graphics card which handles higher resolutions. Now that your system is decked out to the hilt, what's next? Well, companies like eDimensional hope you will eventually add some 3D Gaming glasses to the mix.
3D glasses have been out for some time now, but the technology is getting better with every release. Companies like NVIDIA continue to update drivers to improve the 3D gaming experience, which has many companies believing that some day all gamers will own a pair. So is this really the next best thing, or will this leave you looking like a geek for nothing?
Today I'll be reviewing a pair of 3D glasses made by a company called eDimensional. The company was founded in 2000, mainly focusing on enhancing the multimedia experience. They call their 3D technology E-D, and promise it to supply you with an amazing submersive 3D environment. One of the main reasons I decided to review this product was to see how it compared to the DTI 2015XLS 3D LCD Display I reviewed not so long ago, if you can recall that expensive gadget costs nothing less but $1700.
How It Works
I don't know the technical lingo to explain how 3D works, but I'll sum it up as best I can. Basically, people have two eyes and your eyes see things from a perspective when looking at objects depending on their locations, which is called binocular disparity. One eye sees one side of an object, and the other eye sees the other side. Your brain uses both views to create one three dimensional image. So this means the depth you actually see is just a perception of what the brain thinks it is; it may not actually be the true look of an image. Pretty weird stuff, eh?
Anyhow, the E-D system shows you a two eye view from your computer monitor. The depth-of-field is simulated using shutter-glasses with lenses that can alternate between clean and opaque (blocks light). While using the glasses, a left eye image is first displayed on a computer monitor, and the shutter-glasses left lens is clear, while the right lens is dark. The image on the monitor is then switched to the right-eye view, and the lens of the shutter-glasses is reversed. This switching occurs many times per second, fast enough for your eyes not to notice it. Your brain fuses the separate images together to create 3D. Yes, it's just your brains perception of what the image should look like. Pretty neat how we can trick the brain, don't you think?
by closing one eye.
I'm really hoping that the prices of Stereo glasses comes down in price, I would really like to be able to watch movies while on the plane. Can standard gaming glasses act as a TV/ DVD viewer?
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I used to work for a small company called 3DTV that was a splinter group from Sterographics. I worked on software and marketing for hte first round of consumer shutter glasses, back when you had to use DOS (as in C:\) becuase Windows couldn't do page flipping synced to the monitor refresh rate (one flip per refresh). I for one was allways very fond of this tech', provided that you ran at 120hz or higher so that each eye is getting a full 60hz. In addition you need to turn off any other light source as even a basic light build has a refresh that can cause headaches if it is not in sync with the monitor (imagine every 10th frame being darker in one eye). Its very good to still see this stuff around.
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
What are the best glasses to use with a Powerbook G4? I want to use the glasses for a molecular graphics visualization under the program Pymol, using OS X. Anybody have any expereince and recomendations?
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Your server sure is slow, but thank god the 17 popup and popunder ads you served off of ONE page came up fast.
Talk about whoring.
Why on earth would I need a pair of these glasses when I already have the perfect headache inducing piece of kit in this ?
I think later versions came with a free pack of aspirins.
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Computers offer the best and most impressive gaming graphics, besting any other console found on today's market; however as of late we have the PC losing some ground as a gaming platform due to impressive development efforts from the popular console makers; a relatively new system with a powerful graphics card offers the most realistic graphics you'll ever lay your eyes on.
Not satisfied with that, PC gamers are always looking for the next best thing to enhance their visual experience. Some might purchase a flat screen monitor; others may choose a faster graphics card which handles higher resolutions. Now that your system is decked out to the hilt, what's next? Well, companies like eDimensional hope you will eventually add some 3D Gaming glasses to the mix.
3D glasses have been out for some time now, but the technology is getting better with every release. Companies like NVIDIA continue to update drivers to improve the 3D gaming experience, which has many companies believing that some day all gamers will own a pair. So is this really the next best thing, or will this leave you looking like a geek for nothing?
Today I'll be reviewing a pair of 3D glasses made by a company called eDimensional. The company was founded in 2000, mainly focusing on enhancing the multimedia experience. They call their 3D technology E-D, and promise it to supply you with an amazing submersive 3D environment. One of the main reasons I decided to review this product was to see how it compared to the DTI 2015XLS 3D LCD Display I reviewed not so long ago, if you can recall that expensive gadget costs nothing less but $1700.
How It Works
I don't know the technical lingo to explain how 3D works, but I'll sum it up as best I can. Basically, people have two eyes and your eyes see things from a perspective when looking at objects depending on their locations, which is called binocular disparity. One eye sees one side of an object, and the other eye sees the other side. Your brain uses both views to create one three dimensional image. So this means the depth you actually see is just a perception of what the brain thinks it is; it may not actually be the true look of an image. Pretty weird stuff, eh?
Anyhow, the E-D system shows you a two eye view from your computer monitor. The depth-of-field is simulated using shutter-glasses with lenses that can alternate between clean and opaque (blocks light). While using the glasses, a left eye image is first displayed on a computer monitor, and the shutter-glasses left lens is clear, while the right lens is dark. The image on the monitor is then switched to the right-eye view, and the lens of the shutter-glasses is reversed. This switching occurs many times per second, fast enough for your eyes not to notice it. Your brain fuses the separate images together to create 3D. Yes, it's just your brains perception of what the image should look like. Pretty neat how we can trick the brain, don't you think?
Compatibility
The following cards are compatible with the 3D glasses
Features and function will differ depending on which type of 3D accelerator your system is equipped with. A compatible game list can be checked at the eDimensional home page. Not all games work on all cards. Now let's take a look at system requirements for gaming.
Setting Things Up
Installation was very easy, especially with the well written instructions included in the box. Hookup is done through a VGA adaptor that plugs directly into your video card. Your monitor is connected to the output of the adaptor, and your glasses plug into the rear of it. Initial setup took me about 3 minutes, and was effortless. The glasses come in two flavors, wireless and wired version, I've got the latter one.
Next, it's required to install the software included and stereo drivers for your particular card, which can usually be found on the manufactures website or the included installation disk. If you are using a NVIDIA card, I'd highly recommend using the latest drivers available to make sure you have the latest updates for glasses usage. When using a card other than NVIDIA, you will need to install the 'Wicked' drivers included on the disk. After completing the installation process, a system reboot is required.
The software installs an applet found in your display panel properties, which can be accessed through the advanced button. Here, you can turn on/off 3D and assign hotkeys that will enable you to define different settings to enhance your 3D experience.
Here are the specifications of the system I used the glasses with:
Entering the 3D World
The glasses are relatively comfortable, and seem to be well constructed. The package comes with 2 different sets of bows for different sizes of heads to ensure a good, comfortable fit. I would defiantly advice of wearing in a dark room, with nobody in sight, because they are sure to ignite a little bit of harassment due to the nerdy look (my kids tore me apart). After testing, I dropped them a few times to check for strength, and they didn't break.
The entire installation process was quite simple, and the hotkeys make tweaking the settings very convenient. The first game I tried was Jedi Outcast, which is an Open GL based game using the Quake 3 engine. I checked the game list, and fired the game up. One thing you need to remember is that your monitor might not support stereo 3D with the same resolutions and refresh rates you'd normally use, so try starting low and increase as you go on. I found the 3D effect to be simply amazing; these glasses provide the best 3D images I have ever seen on a PC, including those output by the DTI 3D LCD I reviewed in the past.
The images looked very cool, and I spent about 10 minutes gawking at my new surroundings. After playing around with Jedi Outcast, I was ready for more. I checked the supported game list, and just about every game I had was listed there.
There is a very nice selection of supported titles, and also a link to request a game that's missing from the list. I chose Motocross Madness 2 for my next adventure, notably because it's based on Direct3D and wanted to see how that worked. The 3D images looked great here too, especially after a bit of tweaking. Overall, these glasses are very easy to use and offer beautiful 3D environments for every game I launched.
After going through about 20 different games, my feelings from the beginning have not changed. Racing games look impressive, and flight simulator 2002 looked incredible. These glasses make PC games fun again and actually kept me glued to it for quite sometime (which is not an easy task due to the Xbox sitting right next to my computer). It takes a lot to impress me, and this product really did.
Final Thoughts
The first thing to remember is that if you are using Windows 2000/XP, be sure you have an NVIDIA based card, of it will not work. Like I said previously, the glasses are well constructed and are comfortable at first. After a while, they became a bit uncomfortable around my nose, mainly because the relatively hard plastic resting on the bridge. I don't wear glasses, and rarely wear shades so this might just be a getting used to thing. The cord isn't really an issue, but if you have the extra cash for the wireless, it would be nice. The cord could have been a little longer; you might have problems if your tower isn't close by.
Also notice 3D images on computers are not perfected. As good as they look; they are still a little blurry but that's not to say they don't look unbelievable. The 3D images are amazing, and will definitely add some spice to some of your favorite titles. I'd say if you want 3D, then these glasses are the best thing on the market, hands down.
In the other hand it's just not something I would use with every game. When playing a racing game by myself, sure, but when playing Quake 3 online, forget it. Frame rates drop considerably, so you end up playing at lower resolutions. Lower resolutions mean graphics don't look as sharp.
Overall, eDimensional glasses offer excellent 3D, and the $69.00 price tag is pretty reasonable especially compared to 3D monitors which cost in excess of $1500! I really liked them better than the 3D monitor, but I don't know how much I will really use them. For you this might be different, but this is just how I feel. The glasses are also said to work with DVD titles, you just need to purchase additional software to witness this (which I did not). To sum it up, if you're looking to add a little zing to some computer favorites, these 3D glasses will deliver.
I bought 2 sets of wireless LCD shutter glasses when I bought a TNT2 card from Elsa a few years ago. The most important thing with these is to ensure your monitor can do at least 100 hz refresh at the resolution you want. Any less will give you flicker and headaches. Personally I run most things at 800x600@140 hz and 1024x768@110 hz. The resolution isn't as nice as 1600x1200 but the immersion of being "there" is worth it.
Make sure your room is dark as any other light will make your eyes go goofy, especially the flicker you'll see with 60Hz fluorescent tubes.
nVidia now has native drivers for their cards and the old Elsa glasses work great with my new(er) GeForce 2 card. The older Elsa drivers and the new nVidia ones just use a DX &| GL hack to shift the axis of your eyes every other frame so the appropriate eye is blocked by the LCD during drawing.
They're the best thing for gaming, IMHO.
Trolling is a art,
Heard in the basement of the parents house of the guy who houses the Tech Spot server...
Julio: "Oh man, these glasses are trick! That image of a burning server looks TOTALLY real.
Franko:Dude, you took the glasses off 10 minutes ago. That IS our server.
This site has about as many popunders as a Tripod site. Scary Huh. Too bad I'm stuck using windows at work
On a side note, I remember back in the day there was a series of games for win3.1 that was distributed with your old-skool red-blue goggles, and the game divided the graphics into red and blue. This was back in the day, so it wasn't great graphics, but it was a break from the usual. Also, no headaches with red-blue!
If they could make 3d glasses, that allowed me to peer around corners in Quake, or other 3D Shooters, i'd Bite... But intill then, i think i'll pass.
I will however, take enjoyment in watching others bend their necks and lean in funny directions, as their brain trys to look around the 3D corners. Reminds me of my wife playing Mario Kart, swinging the SNES Controller around, leaning into corners....
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I bought a set of Elsa Revalator glasses a while ago that use the same basic lcd shutter technology. They do "work" but the effect is underwhelming. You can't really use them for any First Person Shooter games because the crosshairs on your screen are also adjusted for each eye and the real impact point will be directly between them. Also, many games mix solids with planes, so for example the hallway will look 3-D but all the people in it will look like flat carboard cut-outs. The road will be 3-d but all the trees on the side will be flat. It turned out to be a far LESS immersive experience. I played with it for a couple days, then packed it away with other unused computer junk.
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for 2d glasses so long as they can be used independantly without headaches (I'm on a multi-year anti-hangover from caffeine so headaches are few and far between.)
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
Are you saying there are 3d devices that DON'T require stereoscopic vision?
Also, those that are dominant in one eye, even severely so, still have a sense of depth perception better than if they only had one eye.
If they only reviewed gaming hardware WITH linux support, then there'd be only one chance at First Post a year -- tops.
Noone wants that.
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
Now how about getting some servers that can handle the load? Sigh.
yet...
WWJD? JWRTFA!
Got a wireless pair, and I have to say that they are the best 3d glasses out there for that price. I have tried several other shutter glasses, such as the crystaleyes, polarised projectors with polarised glasses, stereo projectors (SGI reality theatre type of systems)and so on and they are pretty god for what the price....the screensaver that comes as a demo it's pretty impressive and playing few games it's quite good, although the trick is to set everything to the highest framerate as possible (120 hz so each eye get 60 Hz) and switch the lights off if you can.
Make sure that the games are enable to support hight refresh rate (such as in quake to have something like seta v_refreshrate "120" or whatever the comand is.
The stereo effect depends In think of how the game/environment is design. Some games might work better than others, specially if they have artifacts that are extended or connected somehow from the foreground to the background (a wall, road, etc) or objects very close to your viewpoint (such as the gun that you carry in quake or others fps)
My gfx card (an asus TI4400 deluxe) comes with 3d glasses as well, but they are not as good as these ones and they are wired......
The funny part is just how many anti-globalization peaceniks who hate the militray would just cream their Guatamalen pants to play with these, I guess military stuff is bad, unless you find it entertaining.
;P
It's not the technology itself, but the use, I think.
Using this kind of tech to train people to kill other people more efficiently is possibly objectionable, while using it to "enhance" people's experience in a game, killing simulated digital avatars of other people is okay
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The following cards are compatible with the 3D glasses
Features and function will differ depending on which type of 3D accelerator your system is equipped with. A compatible game list can be checked at the eDimensional home page. Not all games work on all cards. Now let's take a look at system requirements for gaming.
- Windows 95/98/ME and 2000/XP support for NVIDIA chipsets
- CRT monitor (no laptops or LCD screens)
- Minimum 70Hz refresh rated monitor
[picture of the glasses]Setting Things Up
Installation was very easy, especially with the well written instructions included in the box. Hookup is done through a VGA adaptor that plugs directly into your video card. Your monitor is connected to the output of the adaptor, and your glasses plug into the rear of it. Initial setup took me about 3 minutes, and was effortless. The glasses come in two flavors, wireless and wired version, I've got the latter one.
Next, it's required to install the software included and stereo drivers for your particular card, which can usually be found on the manufactures website or the included installation disk. If you are using a NVIDIA card, I'd highly recommend using the latest drivers available to make sure you have the latest updates for glasses usage. When using a card other than NVIDIA, you will need to install the 'Wicked' drivers included on the disk. After completing the installation process, a system reboot is required.
The software installs an applet found in your display panel properties, which can be accessed through the advanced button. Here, you can turn on/off 3D and assign hotkeys that will enable you to define different settings to enhance your 3D experience.
Here are the specifications of the system I used the glasses with:
I looked at their website and the conveniently posted text of the article, but I still can't figure out how exactly these work. Do they require special drivers? And if so, is there any possibility I could get these things running in Linux (with standard Nvidia linux drivers)? UT2k3's Ion Cannon Sattelite gun thingy would be pretty nice in full 3d vision :).
i purchased a pair after reading the numerous reviews and first learning about them in PC magazine. you simply can't compare these to what was preciously available. pc mag said these are the first 3d glasses that impressed them and I wasn't disappointed. the consensus amongst the reviews seems to be that these finally are a valid entry into the 3d glasses market and their attempt does a far better job. techspot mentioned this as well.
From page 3 of the review:
"I would defiantly advice of wearing in a dark room, with nobody in sight,..."
I'm all for this "pubishing power to the people" meme but jeepers, can't they get someone to at least give it a once-over for stuff like this? Sloppy.
But to be fair, the review is well-done. Just poorly edited.
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The glasses are relatively comfortable, and seem to be well constructed. The package comes with 2 different sets of bows for different sizes of heads to ensure a good, comfortable fit. I would defiantly advice of wearing in a dark room, with nobody in sight, because they are sure to ignite a little bit of harassment due to the nerdy look (my kids tore me apart). After testing, I dropped them a few times to check for strength, and they didn't break.
[3d picture of a chess board]
The entire installation process was quite simple, and the hotkeys make tweaking the settings very convenient. The first game I tried was Jedi Outcast, which is an Open GL based game using the Quake 3 engine. I checked the game list, and fired the game up. One thing you need to remember is that your monitor might not support stereo 3D with the same resolutions and refresh rates you'd normally use, so try starting low and increase as you go on. I found the 3D effect to be simply amazing; these glasses provide the best 3D images I have ever seen on a PC, including those output by the DTI 3D LCD I reviewed in the past.
The images looked very cool, and I spent about 10 minutes gawking at my new surroundings. After playing around with Jedi Outcast, I was ready for more. I checked the supported game list, and just about every game I had was listed there.
[ 3d image of an airplane]
There is a very nice selection of supported titles, and also a link to request a game that's missing from the list. I chose Motocross Madness 2 for my next adventure, notably because it's based on Direct3D and wanted to see how that worked. The 3D images looked great here too, especially after a bit of tweaking. Overall, these glasses are very easy to use and offer beautiful 3D environments for every game I launched.
After going through about 20 different games, my feelings from the beginning have not changed. Racing games look impressive, and flight simulator 2002 looked incredible. These glasses make PC games fun again and actually kept me glued to it for quite sometime (which is not an easy task due to the Xbox sitting right next to my computer). It takes a lot to impress me, and this product really did.
Final Thoughts
The first thing to remember is that if you are using Windows 2000/XP, be sure you have an NVIDIA based card, of it will not work. Like I said previously, the glasses are well constructed and are comfortable at first. After a while, they became a bit uncomfortable around my nose, mainly because the relatively hard plastic resting on the bridge. I don't wear glasses, and rarely wear shades so this might just be a getting used to thing. The cord isn't really an issue, but if you have the extra cash for the wireless, it would be nice. The cord could have been a little longer; you might have problems if your tower isn't close by.
Also notice 3D images on computers are not perfected. As good as they look; they are still a little blurry but that's not to say they don't look unbelievable. The 3D images are amazing, and will definitely add some spice to some of your favorite titles. I'd say if you want 3D, then these glasses are the best thing on the market, hands down.
In the other hand it's just not something I would use with every game. When playing a racing game by myself, sure, but when playing Quake 3 online, forget it. Frame rates drop considerably, so you end up playing at lower resolutions. Lower resolutions mean graphics don't look as sharp.
Overall, eDimensional glasses offer excellent 3D, and the $69.00 price tag is pretty reasonable especially compared to 3D monitors which cost in excess of $1500! I really liked them better than the 3D monitor, but I don't know how much I will really use them. For you this might be different, but this is just how I feel. The glasses are also said to work with DVD titles, you just need to purchase additional software to witness this (which I did not). To sum it up, if you're looking to add a little zing to some computer favorites, these 3D glasses will deliver.
I grabbed a pair of 3D glasses from Comdex from c3dnow.com. I know they are gimmicky and very hard to make work well, but I just played it with Asheron's Call 2 and I cannot believe the effect it gives off. It's truly amazing.
I am vision impaired in one eye - I have peripheral vision but cannot focus (the "centre" of my vision my left eye looks like a black amorphous blob becuase of retina damage I sustained). Will this stop me from using 3d glasses ?
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I got a pair of 3d glasses about 3 months ago - They are called "Eye3d" - i have good refresh rates on my monitor, so flicker usually isn't a problem... Play for hours, no headache.. The games that work well with mine are: Quake3, Wolfenstein, and UT2003... UT works okay... not as 3d as it should be. Anyways, gameplay is usually better without the glasses for me, but its nice to see the game in 3d. I just wish there was a place to get cool 3d videos [cough]... haven't really found anything good.
Ah well, I can always dream and complain ;)
I know that early efforts at 3-d glasses resulted in serious depth perception problems (i.e. 15 minutes of play would take many hours of recovery time). This resulted in a large number of traffic accidents by the beta testers as they went home after testing. Any such problems with these reported? If not, how did they get around them?
I just emailed sales@edimensional.com asking if they had Linux support. If anyone else is interested, take a few minutes to email them and let them know. I don't think they sell enough of these devices that they can afford Linux users with money to spend. Well? What r u waiting for?
these revamped version of the glasses seem to offer much more value and compatibility to the table.
The correct metaphor would have been "seem to bring much more value and compatibily to the table." I only harp on this because the phrase as it stands doesn't make any sense. "Offer" much more value and compatibility to the table? Is the table your god?
Don't even get me started on the grammar in the rest of the post. I guess lousy communication skills and making yourself look like a fool are the standard on slashdot.
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We have the crystal eyes as well (not sure which model). We made an extension cable for them as our app required to project from a huge sony 3 cannon projector (not sure the model). Out of 9 pins I think that the crystal eyes connector had, only 2 were active (1 ground and the other one goes on and off). The glasses had only one sensor (an infrared reader). On the contrary, the edimensional have a 3 pin connector and seems that 1 is ground and the other two are for the left and right eye. The edimensional seems to have two sensors, one per eye.
In terms of visuals, the quality of the edimensional seems to be better, as far as I remember, but we might have a low crystal eyes model, I'm not sure. In terms of physical design, the crystal eyes look/feel/fit better than the edimensional...
The model of crystal eyes I think that works at the output of the vga, by creating 2 images and flicking them on and off. The edimensional seems to work at the gfx card level (nvidia stereo drivers), but I'm not really sure
By allowing this agency to send out bills, the Danish courts have legalized P2P in their country.
Thus, it is apparently legal to have a pre-release version of the next Star Wars/Harry Potter/etc. movie as long as you have paid your $26.70.
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While on the topic of moderatly priced and near useless 3d tools, I ran into this glove called the P5 (http://www.essentialreality.com/). It operates on all 3 axis including yaw, pitch, and roll. It looks good on paper, but reviews have been light. Does anyone have any experiance with this? It'd be cool to use my hand instead of a mouse for surfing the web but especially awesome for games (Jedi Outcast and Opera ^_^).
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If you think these glasses are useless, then look at the other stuff they offer.
My personal favorite is the E-D trackIR(TM) Hands Free Game Controller. A poor mans head tracking device. You stick a reflective dot to your forehead and something that looks like a door knob tracks the position of the dot.
Did anybody try this thing?
I have a set, they work, the only additional software required for Direct 3d and Open GL games is the "old" 30.87 Nvidia drivers (hint look for consumer 3d on the nvidia site).
Nvidia has a JPS (Jpeg Stereo) viewer that can be used to display 3-D pictures. The 3D digital pictures are probably the most enjoyment I have with the glasses.
Are there any 3-D glasses solutions that would work for tv out?
I'd prefer 36' 2-D Quake3 over 19' 3-D Quake3.
But 36' 3-D Quake3 would be awesome!
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I'm surprised this article was posted. Looking at the website its basically a shopping site -- this is a "editorial" advertisement. Not too mention 3, read em, 3 pop-unders.
Is Slashdot getting a cut? I sure hope so
Winton
The 3D effects is only possible because the games render two different points of view, and the glasses sync to the monitor and make sure each eye only sees the point of view it should be seeing.
Some graphics cards come with a 3D-glasses port (which is basically just a sync signal), others sync directly to the VGA connection. Technically it's even possible to sync to the screen, without any connection (but there's no point in doing that here, since the connection is easily available).
Either way, they work fine as long as your monitor can refresh at a decent speed (remember, each eye will only see half the images, so if the monitor is doing 100 Hz, each eye is seeing 50) and your graphics card can render the frames fast enough (same thing - if the card renderes 100 FPS, each eye will only see 50). Also, these glasses only work if vsync is on (ie, frame updates must be synchronised with monitor refresh), so if you're used to about 70 FPS at 100 Hz, you will now see only 50 FPS in double-buffered games, which means each eye will only see 25.
So if you really want to use this for games, make sure your monitor can do at least 120 Hz at the resolution you're planning to use (150 Hz or above would be preferable), and make sure your graphics card can surpass that frame rate at that resolution. Otherwise, you're in for some serious headaches.
Also, your graphics driver must have support for 3D glasses (ie, they must be able to shift the point of view in alternate frames in 3D applications). Fortunately, most drivers do.
Finally, eDimensional claim you can use their glases to see movies in 3D. This is obviously not true. Or rather, you will see some "depth effects", but they will obvioulsy not match the real depth of the original images. And when the depth effect from stereoscopic view clashes with the depth effect from spatial perception, you are very likely to get a major headache, which is your brain's way of saying "I refuse to process this junk".
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mentioned something about how amazing it was we can fool the brain.
Forgetting the fact that movies, tv, computer monitors etc have been doing this for 100+ years.
And conmen have been doing that since before prostitutes started working.
I saw Wil Wheaton as the host of an infomercial for some X3D glasses last night, looks like the same thing that these are. Unfortunately, they only work under windows, and only work with an Nvidia card.
Right now, these look like novelty items, however, what do you think it would be like if your windowing system had 3d support? OSX already has some cool transparency features, which might make a 3d gui more cool. Windows on top could float in air, and minimized windows could be sitting deep inside the screen with different depths depending on what's on top of them. You could probably do some other cool effects too. Yeah, it might be novelty, but I'm sure someone can find a good usability enhancement that would use this technology. Right now, most people think real-time transparency is a novelty, but I find it quite useful on my small laptop screen when I want to work in the active window, but see data in a window behind it either for reference or monitoring.
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Stereo vision is only noticeable to about 30 feet out. This isnt very impressive when using a pair of 3d glasses looking at objects that are typically farther out, so I would assume that makers of 3d glasses would exaggerate the effect.
What this means is that disparity of two correlated points in the two images is greater than it should be. Your brain determines the distance more based on other cues than stereo disparity. So when it gets confliciting signals about the distance of an object your eyes have a hard time adjusting their inward tilt(to increase the overlapping visual area), this is sometimes called "eyeball lock in".
The conflicting messages of inward tilt(Brain: "Somthing is close to you Eyes!"), outward tilt (Brain: "Something is farther away Eyes!") make the eye muscles try and do the same thing at once and cause strain. Its the same strain of when you put your finger really close to the bridge of your nose and try to concentrate on it. I think this is what causes the headaches.
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I do 3D visualization type stuff at work. We don't actually code the 3D engines however. We just use 3rd party software for rendering the scenes while we concentrate on presenting the data.
Anyway, I wanted to learn to do 3D stereo with OpenGL so I went out, bought the glasses and here's what I found.
The nVidia stereo drivers don't work with the OpenGL stereo on the TNT and TNT2 based cards.
After I bought a GeForce4 4200, here's what I found...
The GeForce4 (and other gaming cards) don't support the quad-buffered stereo I was trying to learn. None of the OpenGL apps I added stereo support for would run in stereo.
The nVidia stereo driver seems to take a normal scene and generate stereo pairs for all the vertices before it renders the scene. I took the code I wrote and removed all the "special" stereo code, and then my applications would run in stereo just fine.
Quake 3 looks great. Quake 2 looks a little better.
DirectX based applications seem to have the stereo reversed and there is no way to switch it. (that I have found yet)
I can play cool games and write OpenGL apps but I still don't have a machine at home to learn quad buffered stereo.
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...there's a much cheaper option. nVidia provides drivers that will render scenes in full-color anaglyph so you can dig out your old red/cyan glasses and run the latest 3d (and oldest) 3d games in real 3d. The drivers work for any program that does the 3d math correctly in opengl or direct3d. I have yet to come across a program that doesn't work with them.
Sure, the image looks a little funky, and the framerate is half what it normally is, but you get this with any 3d scheme that uses a normal crt monitor. The glasses they talk about in this article also effectively halve the frame rate by halving the refresh rate per eye so you'll have to deal with quite a bit of flicker. Unless you can run your monitor at 1024x768 @ 120Hz vertical refresh, be prepared to run at lower resolutions. Oh yeah: page flipping 3d doesn't work very well with lcd monitors, so if you have a flat screen you're out of luck unless you want to go anaglyph.
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As a one-eyed freak since about birth, I have to tell you that I am
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amazed at the amount of time you multi-eyed folks have wasted on
3d perception.
About the only problem I've ever noticed with the 2d world is missing baseline jumpers, a few tough pool shots,
and a lack of desire for huge breasts
Hell, they even had a Seinfeld about multi-eyed folks wasting time on those darn 3d pictures.
Remember George coming out of the bathroom with his shirt off in the middle of that party?
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Shurely it support ADOM and Nethack?
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Wireless 3d Glasses $100, Complete gaming PC $1500, The look on your friends face when they see you playing UT with these glasses, PRICELESS.......
Okay, so I decide to read their review, going 'right-click', 'open link in new tab', and what happens next?
Annoying ads start popping up: a casino, an Intel newsletter, and a matchmaking "service" - these people sure know their target audience, huh?
these revamped version of the glasses seem to offer much more value and compatibility to the table
That's all well and good for the table, but even with these glasses, I'm sure the table will still suck in Quake.
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I'd like to know sereously if they do supply tech specs so a driver can be made.
/dev/randum and out poped this Os" drivers...
Linux support would be nice but realisticly today companys get paranoid and won't relase tech specs becouse then they'd be giving away valuable intelectual property.
I mean we can't do something that might expand our costummer base. Oh no then we might make lot's of money can't have that.
So anywho if the tech specs are available then yeah Linux drivers maybe Mac drivers, Solarus drivers, OS/2 drivers.. Dos drivers... "Name your operating system" drivers.
Thousand Moneky Os drivers.
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You get the idea.
But for gammers and that seams the target there isn't much software for Linux anyway...
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My wife laughs at me because I try and look around 2D corners!
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