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Ex-Microsofter Rick Belluzzo Prefers Linux
keird writes "I'm sure you all remember Belluzzo being pushed out of Microsoft earlier this year. ComputerWorld has a short, but interesting interview with him where he talks about why his new employer, Quantum uses Linux in their appliances." From reading the interview, Belluzzo seems to be pretty amicable to whatever will get the job done, and in this case, it's Linux.
The interview (longer version) can also be read at MSNBC
This is so easy, nowadays!
spread those meat curtains!!!
"someone should make a hot air balloon that is shaped like a giant vagina". --Bill Clinton
This makes for a bit of a change since a long time ago when he destroyed SGI by persuading them to drop MIPS and IRIX and move to Windows NT.
YOU FAIL IT!
Wow, Linux is being used in a product that Windows isn't even targeted towards. I don't think that Microsoft cares too much if linux is used in these types of devices. Especially when they still own 95% of the desktop market.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
Your fat-ass bitch mother visits http://goatse.cx/. Oh yeah and something about commie linux users here.
Yes, and my turds are interesting to everyone else.
"Thank you and goodnight'a"
I'm sure you all remember Belluzzo being pushed out of Microsoft earlier this year. ComputerWorld has a short, but interesting interview with him where he talks about why his new employer, Quantum uses Linux in their appliances." From reading the interview, Belluzzo seems to be pretty amicable to whatever will get the job done, and in this case, it's Linux.
"Rocket" Rick Belluzzo is also the man responsible for SGI's disastrous attempt to drop IRIX and MIPS in favour of x86 workstations running Windows NT. He also dropped the uber-groovy SGI cube logo for the lame "sgi". His "reward" for almost destroying a competitor was a cushy job at Microsoft. SGI have yet to recover and it's by no means certain that they will.
Does Linux really need supporters like this?
Try to go to Quantum and see th e nice little error message you get. You'd figure for a company that is using Linux in their work, they'd get the web guys on the stick and fix that.
From: cptroll
d =2755) so I make up an
B 40" X-Priority: Ê3
t .com/~wsl3/+vladinator).
To: <k22320inchfan@methlab.nothing.org>
Subject: [k22320inchfan] Vladinator needs a beatdown
Date sent: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:04:50 -0400
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@methlab.nothing.org
(This is CP0028)
I'm trying to give george his account back
(http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=trolltalk&ci
appropriate throwaway email address and post it. Vladinator, being the
prick he is, sends me this email:
>From Ê"Anony Mouse" <anony_mouse1969@hotmail.com> ÊÊ ÊMon, 23 Oct 2000
>17:44:17 -0500 Subject: Êokay I'm writing you To: Ê
From ??? Fri Feb 19 09: Ê25
From anony_mouse1969@hotmail.com Mon Oct 23 18: Ê46
[snip]
>X-Originating-IP: Ê[209.96.17.98]
>Date: ÊMon, 23 Oct 2000 17
>MIME-Version: Ê1.0
>Content-Type: Êmultipart/alternative;
>boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C03D18.DD858
>X-MSMail-Priority: ÊNormal X-Mailer: ÊMicrosoft Outlook Express
>5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: ÊProduced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400
>Message-ID: Ê X-OriginalArrivalTime: Ê23 Oct 2000 22
>
>okay I (george) wrote you so can I have my account back please?
Now, anyone with a half a brain and a reverse-ip lookup can see that that
originating IP corresponds to postnet.com and Vlad's own account
(http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:home.postne
If that's a permanent ip address, then vlad deserves whatever he gets
from anyone here who is more learned in the h4xx0r ways than I.
(This is CP0028)
Dedicated to teaching quality Trolling skillz
STEP 1 : Pick a story and search through for a highly-rated or otherwise prominent comment in which someone uses a nubmered list. For example, you want to find something like this:
EXAMPLE:
- Blah!
- Blah!
- Blah!
For example, I selected this post as a prime target. There are only a few things to keep in mind: pick an active story and a comment that'll be seen by a lot of people as the target of your troll. The comment MUST contain a numbered list, similar to the above, although the exact style of numbering can vary. Also, try to pick a comment that hasn't already been trolled this way. Every comment with a numbered list will eventually get hit, so you want to be quick.STEP 2 : Take careful note of the method of numbering that your target post is using. It really doesn't matter, as long as it's numbered. For example, in this post I use text like "STEP 1", "STEP 2", etc. Note this carefully. This method of trolling makes the most sense when the list is a list of ordered steps (such as this vary document you are reading), BUT if the numbered list is something different, such as "REASON 1:", "REASON 2:", etc., hit it anyway! Your troll will be more esoetric and non-sequitur, but all the better: trolling doesn't always HAVE to make sense. Sometimes it's fun to confuse people.
STEP 3 : Now you'll put the information gained from step 2 to good use, as you attack the target you selected. This is where it gets complicated, so pay attention. This is easiest to explain with a couple of examples. Let's say your target looks like this:
TARGET POST:
Now, to pull off your masterfult act of trollage, you'll want to sneak in, post a reply, and do this:
TROLL REPLY:
- 4. ???
- 5. PROFIT!
Let's say that the post you're replying to is a bit more complex:TARGET POST:
Reasons Linix is so great!
*REASON 1: My allowance won't cover expensive software.
*REASON 2: Completely off-topic rant about Microsoft.
*REASON 3: I love Linix!!
Now you want to come in and do this:
TROLL REPLY:
*REASON 4: ???
*REASON 5: PROFIT!
Note what I did there: I emulated the exact style of his numbered list, and then added to it in order to cleverly troll him. THAT is the key. If he numbers his list using bold, use bold. If your target uses all caps, use all caps. If he uses Roman Numerals, use Roman Numerals (hint: I II III IV V VI VII VII IX X, then everything repeats from there), etc. Make YOUR list seem like an naturally-flowing conclusion to your TARGET's list. Then give him HELL! Here's the general key:
TARGET POST:
...
1. Blah!
2. Blah!
3. Blah!
X. Blah!
TROLL REPLY
X+1. ???
X+2. PROFIT!
I know it gets complicated when you throw in the algebra, but you should be able to do it. Keep track of the numbers on a piece of paper if you have to. It's vary difficult, but once you try it out, you'll get the hang of it. It's an aquired skill that can only be improved through hard work and practice. So get out there and troll!
Here's a summary:
STEP 1 : Pick your target (active, contains numbered list)
STEP 2 : Gather information (style of the numbered list)
STEP 3 : Nail the target by adding on to his own list!
STEP 4 : ???
STEP 5 : PROFIT!
See, I even did it to my own damn list! That's how easy it is once you become a master at this discipline of trolling! Good luck, young Jedi!!! Go out and troll the world, you motherfucking cuntrag bitches!!
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From: cptroll
d =2755) so I make up an
B 40" X-Priority: Ê3
t .com/~wsl3/+vladinator).
To: <k22320inchfan@methlab.nothing.org>
Subject: [k22320inchfan] Vladinator needs a beatdown
Date sent: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:04:50 -0400
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@methlab.nothing.org
(This is CP0029)
I'm trying to give george his account back
(http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=trolltalk&ci
appropriate throwaway email address and post it. Vladinator, being the
prick he is, sends me this email:
>From Ê"Anony Mouse" <anony_mouse1969@hotmail.com> ÊÊ ÊMon, 23 Oct 2000
>17:44:17 -0500 Subject: Êokay I'm writing you To: Ê
From ??? Fri Feb 19 09: Ê25
From anony_mouse1969@hotmail.com Mon Oct 23 18: Ê46
[snip]
>X-Originating-IP: Ê[209.96.17.98]
>Date: ÊMon, 23 Oct 2000 17
>MIME-Version: Ê1.0
>Content-Type: Êmultipart/alternative;
>boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C03D18.DD858
>X-MSMail-Priority: ÊNormal X-Mailer: ÊMicrosoft Outlook Express
>5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: ÊProduced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400
>Message-ID: Ê X-OriginalArrivalTime: Ê23 Oct 2000 22
>
>okay I (george) wrote you so can I have my account back please?
Now, anyone with a half a brain and a reverse-ip lookup can see that that
originating IP corresponds to postnet.com and Vlad's own account
(http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:home.postne
If that's a permanent ip address, then vlad deserves whatever he gets
from anyone here who is more learned in the h4xx0r ways than I.
(This is CP0029)
From: Ceee Peee
0 /12/25/225554/21&mode=mo
To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
Subject: [k22320inchfan] What better way to spread the holiday joy...
Date sent: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 20:10:17 -0800 (PST)
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
(This is CP0009)
What better way to spread the holiday joy than to vote
up Anne Marie's new k5 article on pornography?
(http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory;sid=200
derate)
Pornography: it's what we do, so it's what we should discuss.
(This is CP0009)
From: cptroll
To: <k22320inchfan@methlab.nothing.org>
Subject: Re: [k22320inchfan] New Opportunity
Date sent: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:38:48 -0400
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@methlab.nothing.org
(This is CP0021)
No, that's no good either. As it stands, "post as AC" is good for making contributions that are important but punished by the capricious whims of moderators (and is currently the only option for people who want to post something at 0 instead of defaulting to 1). It doesn't stop the ones intent on posting crap; if anything, it forces them to go into a separate "post nothing but crap" mode, where they would proceed to post, you guessed it, lots of crap.
One compromise that I wouldn't mind so much (but which Taco wouldn't implement) is an option for posting at 0 under one's username but not having negative moderation affect one's karma in that mode. Alternatively, there could just be an option for posting at 0 without the karma aspect, but while that'd be much easier to code and sounds like a good idea, it is itself subject to an enormous abuse: karmawhoring at the 0 level -- stuff that is halfway decent would be netting karma just by modding up to 1. That could be fixed by having only moderation above 1 affect total karma, but that's another level of complexity that Rob probably doesn't want.
Mendax Veritas <mendaxveritas@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Okay, so what do you think of the converse option, of
>removing the "Post Anonymously" option when a user is
>logged in? You'd have to log out to post AC, which
>would make it a little less convenient to protect
>one's precious karma. Is that a good thing?
>
>I don't think any single change to Slashdot's policies
>is going to magically do away with spammers,
>jackasses, or idiots. But if a minor change like this
>would be more positive than negative, then it's worth
>considering, and might do some good as part of a more
>comprehensive solution.
>
>--mv
(This is CP0021)
In the interview he states:
Do you think Linux will be an obstacle to an effective partnership between Quantum and Microsoft? If Microsoft gives us a better idea and a better alternative, we could change.
I'd say it's pretty likely that MS will use a carrot-and-stick approach to force him onto Windows. Quantum is looking for a big deal with MS and with a high-profile ex-microsoftie singing the praises of the competition, I'll bet there's a threat that the deal will fall through: that's the stick. MS will probably also offer Quantum a much-discounted price on embedded Windows NT: that's the carrot.
In the end, Quantum will do whatever they need to do to help their bottom line. (not that I blame them.) If the deal with MS is worth more than the cost of Windows licenses, they'll be on Windows before you know it.
I was going to say, isn't this the guy who used to be CEO of SGI and sold out all kinds of IP to M$ and moved the company to NT shit a few years back? We all know the financial problems that surfaced for a once great company after that. I get the feeling that this guy would sell his own soul for a few extra bucks, much like Bill Gates has.
I have, I suppose, like all men, wondered what it would be like to have a larger cock. I have, once again, like a lot of people seen the 'freaks' in porno movies who have horse like dicks and thought to myself - 'That can't be normal, most people aren't like that surely.'
But in the back of your mind, you always wonder. Now let me say from the outset that I have nothing in my pants to brag about and although through the years I seem to have been able to satisfy most of the women I have been with, there has never been more than one or two who have, afterwards, made favourable comments either about my length, girth, performance or stamina although they have commented favourably about the over all performance. Perhaps they were just being kind not saying much at all.
Yes, I could say it is because they were so fucking exhausted, they couldn't say anything, but of course that would be lying. I suppose though, if I think back amongst all the women I have had sex with, similarly, there have only been a few that I have thought to be outstanding for one particular reason or another and with them, I have made that very obvious.
I don't think any of them have had particularly small cunts - all the more reason for doubting myself. There has, however, been a couple that have had particularly well-developed cunt muscles and that has made all the difference for both of us. Once again, I now wonder why that was necessary.
There was another whose cunt inner walls were very ribbed and that was sensational. The only trouble with that was that those ribs were made to make you come and come I did. Luckily she was in the days when I was young enough to recover quickly and start all over again and again.
There was another who much preferred me up her arse mind you she had a huge cunt. Her husband once told me "It was like chucking a bit of string in a Cathedral."
There was another who had bushes of body hair everywhere she could cover up. That I found to be magnificent; I couldn't get enough of her.
I suppose that brings me inevitably on to the issue of size and my size in particular. Well here goes. As I have, for as many years as I can remember, been aware of my size and the issue of whether or not I was big enough, I can tell you that I always seem to have been around 7.5 - 8inches long with 4.5 - 5 inches in girth (that girth measurement is not around the head of my dick because I know that is bigger by about another half inch or so and therefore does not give the true measurement over all).
I therefore thought it was about time to go in search of facts and figures of prick sizes and on methods of improving what I have. With the web now so available to us all and virtually anything you want to research on there, I found no trouble in coming up with many different solutions to my 'problem'.
However, a new problem then developed. Did I want to spend a lot of money on contraptions for the outside of my body and tablets and potions for the inside of my body that might not work anyway? Many years ago, I had had one of those suction pumps that were great fun and made your dick look VERY impressive for as long as you had it on, but as soon as it came off, you were back to square one.
I really did give that one a go for a long time simply because I could see the result I wanted to achieve when it was in operation, but try as I might, it just didn't work for me. One of my friends who I confided in (after a particularly fine foursome where it was difficult for everyone not to be exposed to everyone else) suggested pills.
After some thought, I really couldn't understand how any pill would be able to aim just for your prick and enlarge that, surely there were other similar muscles in your body. And in any case all the pills were 'natural' or 'herbal' and easily available without prescription and that made me sceptical as well.
But then I came across a couple of exercise programmes on the web that were not going to cost me anything and could easily be done in a few minutes of privacy. I won't tell you the names of the sites I got these off otherwise you are going to think this is some kind of advert and not fact at all. However, if anyone wants to contact me, they can and I will give the name of the site to you then.
I started about three months ago and it seems to be having an effect. You can't just do the exercises on their own, you also need to strengthen up the muscle between your balls and your arse for the greatest effect - I will go in to that later.
Each day, I do a warm up whereby I take a shower and whilst still in there, I lather up the old tool and put my thumb and forefinger in an 'O' around the base and pull away from me. I found it best to have my hand the way round that kept the rest of my fingers furthest away from my body when I pulled.
I didn't pull my dick straight out from my body, it always felt most effective when I pulled it almost straight down. I would take each pull slowly so it took me about five seconds to pull down from the base to the head.
I, of course, have always found this to be quite stimulating and would become semi erect by the twentieth to thirtieth pull. Unfortunately, I have never been able to determine if this will slow down the effect I am having on my size or not, perhaps someone could let me know.
After I have done it with one hand about fifty times (always lathering him up frequently as I go) I change hands and pull it down the other way. I am not suggesting that you should pull it slowly down to one side and then the other, I always try to pull it straight down as I have never had any kind of bend on mine.
I suppose that if yours has got a bend in it and you don't like that, (heaven knows why, I have always thought that looked great on blokes, but there again, I don't know if it effects the way you can fuck) you could always slowly pull your dick in the opposite direction to the bend and see if that helps.
Once you have done about fifty pulls with both hands, you need to then gently play with your dick, (not a bad thing) whilst still in the shower to kind of let it get over what you have just done to it.
Just a couple of words of warning, if you are going to give it a try but have had in the past or can get hold of any professional advice now that suggests that, for what ever reason you shouldn't try it, then don't, it just might not be for you. But if you feel confident that it is safe for you and you would like to give it a try, build up to the exercise, don't go mad and do too much straight away.
I must admit, I did it too hard, for too long to begin with and it damn well hurt. My prick went a bruised colour and I felt sure I had done some kind of permanent damage. Luckily I hadn't, but it taught me a very good lesson. I started the second time with just ten pulls with one hand and then the next day, ten pulls with the other.
Soon, I was up to ten pulls per day with both hands and gradually, I have tightened my grip to pull harder as the weeks have gone by, also increasing the number of pulls.
Obviously, this is what works for me and everyone is different. If your prick is used to a lot of battering then you should be able to start stronger that if it isn't, but take it easy and take it steady.
I have now been able to graduate to being able to do it anywhere at anytime I have privacy, I no longer need some kind of lubricant, but my first pull of the day is always in the shower, with the warmth and with the soap, that kind of warms me up for the day. It doesn't take long to whip the old trousers down, say when you go for a pee, instead of standing at a stall, go into a cubicle and you can do a quick pull as well.
The other main thing to watch out for is where you are pushing the blood that is already in your prick as you begin each pull down from the base. Obviously, as your grip gets tighter and you pull down harder, you are going to trap the blood and try forcing it out the end - ouch!!!
For those of you like me who have a foreskin, you will find that it tends to have a semi permanent redness about it as though it is sore and to a certain extent it is. For those cut guys, I don't know what to say because I don't know any cut guys who are doing the same exercises.
What I have tended to start doing as the girth has improved is to continue with the downward pulls, with an ever increasing grip, but not go to the knob end. I now usually stop half way down, pull my foreskin back and then continue with the pull. I only ever go as far as the head. I have never continued my pull over it.
My pulling sessions now normally finish with an extended pull for the final time. That is to say, when I decide I have had enough and things are starting to get a bit tender (which they can if you don't always use lube), the last gripped pull reached the head and I stay there, still pulling for say another ten or fifteen seconds and then slowly let go.
My relaxation period (when I am not at home) always tends to be taking hold of him and gently squeezing him a dozen or so times until things feel back to normal (don't forget, this can be quite exciting and when you leave the loo, you don't want to be walking around the office with a damn great lob on, do you - or do you?).
What effect has all this had? Well, I think it has changed me in several ways, both physically and mentally. First of all, the one you have all been waiting for, what has it done to my dong?
Well when you consider that all these 'enlargement' sites tell you that although you will see change in a few weeks, for the best effect, you must keep doing it for at least a year. I can report that there is not much change in length - you remember I used to be 7.5 - 8 inches (could I really claim 8, well sometimes, just perhaps, maybe if I was quick enough with the ruler) well now, on many occasions there is definitely eight, perhaps a tad more, or is that just my imagination?
But it is the girth where there has been significant change - you remember it was 4.5 - 5, well now I can truly claim an increase to 6 inches at least and you can really feel the difference. When it is flaccid, it used to be about 3 - 3.5 inches, now it is 4 - 4.5 inches dependent on the temperature, you men will know what I mean by that.
And it seems to have been noticed as well (and this is where the mental effect comes in), because the girth has changes size, so has the head, although I have not measured the head yet when fully erect, taking into consideration the increased girth measurement, I would say that it is now in the region of 6.5+ inches, and that shows!!!
When I now have sex, there is a lot more squirming takes place by my partner when we are trying to get me up inside her. She can definitely feel that something is very different and when I am fully up inside of her, she shakes gently, holds me perfectly still as far up inside her as she can get me and squeezes him a lot more with her cunt wall muscles.
When she finally lets him go so that we can start moving, she now loves the feeling of the rim of the head of my dick scraping along the inside walls of her fanny. She also seems to be a lot noisier when she cums.
Now the other thing I thought I better mention is that muscle just behind your balls - I can't remember what it is called but I think it was once referred to as the PA muscle, but there again, it doesn't really matter what it is called as long as you exercise the right one.
All the sites I have found say you must exercise this along with the other pulling exercises and the way to do this is by clenching your arse cheeks together time after time after time. The way I checked which one it was, was to wait until I went for a pee and stopped myself from peeing once I was in full flow. Now the one you can feel yourself clenching is the one you have to exercise.
The sites also say that you can do this at anytime and in any position, laying down, standing up or sitting down. When I went for a pee and stopped myself, the muscle I felt was directly between my balls and my arse but when I started exercising, in certain positions it felt as though I was exercising a completely different muscle up inside my arse.
I don't know if this is the same muscle or not, but to be sure, I feel far more confident exercising when I am sitting down, particularly upright say when in the office or driving. And you really can do it anytime, anywhere no one will ever know what you are doing.
I can't recall any of the sites actually explaining why it is necessary to excise this thing but I have gathered from the way the sites are written that it will help us with our self control and the stiffness of our cock when erect - so exercise I do.
They also suggest that you need to build up to where you are clenching it hundreds of times a day in batches of say fifty at a time. This may sound a lot, but it really isn't IF YOU CAN REMEMBER TO DO IT. It is so easy to forget, but I have now got myself into a frame of mind where it just cums to me second nature now and I almost don't have to think about it, I just find myself doing it.
I do it slowly now but I started where I didn't hold the clench for very long because I found that if I did, it didn't take many clenches before it started to hurt as though I had strained it. Now, fifty takes me about ten minutes, that's all, and if I want to, I can start another fifty straightaway.
Obviously, I don't count them, otherwise I would never be able to concentrate on what anyone around me was saying or what other traffic was doing, I just know how long I have been doing it for each time, but I can really feel the difference in the size of the muscle, now all I have to do is learn how to use that better muscle to my advantage. Once again, if anyone could help me out on that one, I would be most grateful.
All these 'enlargement' plans claim -
Permanent penis enlargement - well, we will see, so far, so good
Experience multiple orgasms - can't say that one has worked on me yet
Curvature straightening - never had a curve
Increased sexual stamina - I can certainly last a lot longer now, maybe too long, you have to be careful here.
Cures and prevents impotence - cleaver one this, I suppose they can always turn round and say you might have suffered if you hadn't exercised.
Bigger penis head - definitely and it's great.
Rock hard erections - haven't needed too much here although I would say there is certainly an improvement.
Increased levels of semen - hard for me to judge because I love to cum so frequently, but that's another story, however, the girlfriend did go away recently for a couple of days and I was able to leave myself alone (except for exercising) for that time, when she got back and I whipped her straight off to bed, I nearly drowned her.
More confidence and better sex - definitely, when you can't sit down with your legs together or you are always having to make yourself comfortable down there, you know you are doing SOMETHING right and that transfers over to when you get her into bed. And it's great when you can sense that she feels the difference, you almost want to smile. With the increased flaccid state, you feel far more confident getting caught around the house. But the best bit is when you are on top of her and in a press-up position so that she can look down you and she sees what is about to hammer her and she makes that quiet little noise in the back of her throat and can't wait to get her hands around it and guide it into her slowly so that you don't hurt her -That's fucking brilliant.
Anyway, that's how if has worked and is still working for me. If you feel it can benefit you, why not give it a go. If you have tried something else and it has worked, why not share it with the rest of us so that we can all benefit.
Until someone cums up with a better solution on how to get your hands on your own member and make big improvements to its size - all free of charge, I am just going to keep pulling away and clenching with my exercises and see what I can achieve. I hope for some improvement to the length, more than I have achieved so far, and a continued improvement to the girth and head - I will measure it sometime for you if anyone is interested.
Please let me know what free improvements you have been able to make to your own meat and how you have been able to make them. Please don't exaggerate, hopefully you can see that I have tried to be as factual as possible with no exaggerations as at the end of the day, we are only trying to make ourselves act and feel better in life and that can't be a bad thing.
I really hope this helps some of you guys out there who have felt like I have in the past.
Good exercising and good luck.
Where I work we use Windows and Solaris, cause each provides something useful to us. Will someone please put a story on /. for us now? I think everyone should know this.
If it helps my credibility I interned at Microsoft twice.
"Not knowing when the dawn will come, I open every door." - Emily Dickinson
.. Linux prefers YOU!
From: cptroll
:) [9:42:26 p] <Maarken> did Inoshiro say his nickname for his :) [9:52:43 p] <ugly13f> so you ar ehackers??? [9:52:55 p] :(((
To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
Subject: Re: [k22320inchfan] why k5 is scary
Date sent: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 03:07:45 -0500
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
(This is CP0039)
jlb <jlb@io.com> wrote:
>So, being bored tonight, I decided to play around with k5. It's nothing
>really noteworthy - I was pretending to be a stupid 13 year old girl
>(13/f/pakistan) in k5 and asking lots of dumb questions.
Lies, all of it. I was there, and all lb did was solicit sex chat in a real high drunk squeaky voice (which was hard to convey on IRC, but you et the idea). In fact, none of it looked at all like this:
Session Start: Wed Nov 29 21:31:38 2000
[9:31:45 p] <Maarken> I doubt that'd going to help much.
[9:31:52 p] <Maarken> see what I mean?
[9:32:4 p] <ugly13f> its okay its kind of funny
[9:32:10 p] <Maarken> really?
[9:32:27 p] <Maarken> anyway, if you really want somthing answered, let me
know. [9:32:27 p] <ugly13f> they kept asking me for my picture !! [9:32:43
p] <ugly13f> thanks !! [9:32:45 p] <Maarken> well, it would be nice to
know who we're talking to. [9:35:51 p] <Maarken> think of them as a group
of adults that don't like children. the only way to become accepted is to
grow up. in this case, age=knowledge. [9:39:38 p] <Maarken> my, you sure
are silent. [9:39:52 p] <ugly13f> i think inoshiro knows my brother!!
[9:40:8 p] <Maarken> who's your brother? [9:40:23 p] <Maarken> make0?
[9:40:25 p] <ugly13f> he said his name [9:40:29 p] <ugly13f> no! [9:41:4
p] <Maarken> what's his name? [9:41:39 p] <ugly13f> im not supposed to
talk about that stuff!! [9:41:45 p] <Maarken> shaw? [9:41:58 p] <ugly13f>
no [9:41:58 p] <Maarken> wargwolf? [9:42:4 p] <ugly13f> lol no [9:42:6 p]
<Maarken>
realname? [9:42:34 p] <ugly13f> his first name !! [9:42:47 p] <Maarken>
and you know, it's ok to his your brothers first name. [9:42:55 p]
<Maarken> Mine's Eric. How that? [9:43:7 p] <ugly13f> i dont know if he
really knows him or if he found it!! [9:43:45 p] <Maarken> what is it?
I'll know if he knows them or not. [9:43:49 p] <Maarken> we're friends.
[9:44:13 p] <ugly13f> he said chris ~~ [9:44:45 p] <Maarken> ah, then.
No, he found it. on philber.org I'd bet. [9:45:5 p] <ugly13f> whats that
!! [9:45:42 p] <Maarken> what IRC client are you using? I can tell you
where to look to explain it. [9:45:52 p] <ugly13f> i dont know !! [9:46:5
p] <Maarken> are you in windows? [9:47:9 p] <ugly13f> no im using his
thing [9:47:14 p] <ugly13f> its really hard to read !! [9:47:35 p] ->
[ugly13f] VERSION [9:47:54 p] <Maarken> I think you're in NetBSD. Cool.
[9:49:3 p] <ugly13f> that sounds okay [9:49:31 p] <Maarken> well, [snip]
is the hostname that you're connecting from. [9:49:39 p] <Maarken> and it
has a website. [9:49:49 p] <Maarken> that i guess mentioned Chris [9:49:58
p] <ugly13f> okay [9:50:37 p] <Maarken> by the way, kuro5hin isn't a
snowboarder channel. it goes with the website www.kuro5hin.org [9:51:44
p] <ugly13f> oh so k5 isnt snowboards?? [9:52:7 p] <Maarken> nope. it's
deep technical stuff about computers. [9:52:16 p] <Maarken> and whatever
pops up.
<Maarken> depends what you mean by "hacker". [9:53:17 p] <Maarken> do we
break into computers? no. are we *very* knowledgable about them? yes.
[9:53:37 p] <ugly13f> so you dont put viruses on computers?? [9:53:41 p]
<Maarken> no! [9:53:53 p] <Maarken> and if I were you, I wouldn't call
them hackers. [9:54:11 p] <ugly13f> why not [9:54:44 p] <Maarken> because
they'll think you mean "cracker" which means to break into computers, and
they'll get really mad. [9:55:7 p] <ugly13f> i thought thats what you call
white people lol [9:55:22 p] <ugly13f> lol inoshiro keeps spelling fuck
wrong!! [9:55:50 p] <Maarken> no, fsck is the linux command to make sure
your computer is ok, but it's become a geek swear. [9:56:38 p] <Maarken>
because it *looks* like fuck, but it's not frowned open because most
people don't understand. [9:56:55 p] <ugly13f> lol! [9:57:30 p] <ugly13f>
im hungry:(( [9:57:37 p] <Maarken> eat. [9:58:12 p] <ugly13f> so why do
you fuck your computers instead of naming it something else?? [9:58:39 p]
<Maarken> it's FileSystemChecK [9:58:46 p] <Maarken> hence, fsck [9:59:20
p] <ugly13f> dont people get confused ??? [9:59:31 p] <Maarken> not
really. [9:59:40 p] <Maarken> it's a context thing. [10:0:7 p] <ugly13f>
why not just fsc?? just to be rude??? [10:0:21 p] <Maarken> if you
complain about having to fsck your linux machine, they know you mean check
it's filesystem. if you say "FSCK!" then you're swearing. [10:0:37 p]
<Maarken> it's just what they guy named the command [10:1:0 p] <ugly13f>
he was probaly a pervert!! lol!! [10:1:18 p] <Maarken> maybe he just had a
sense of humor? [10:2:20 p] <ugly13f> not a very good one!! lol!! [10:3:1
p] <Maarken> most geeks think it's funny. [10:3:9 p] <Maarken> or atleast
amusing. [10:6:17 p] <Maarken> you know, I've tryed to be helpful, but I
think you're being lame for a reason. [10:6:35 p] <ugly13f> youre lame not
me!! [10:6:46 p] <ugly13f> lol! [10:6:51 p] <Maarken> <sigh> I'm done
here. [10:7:33 p] <Maarken> I think I'll show the rest of the guys this
log, so they know how lame you are. [10:7:35 p] <ugly13f> whyd you call me
lame??? [10:7:40 p] <Maarken> because you are? [10:7:45 p] <Maarken>
that'd be a good reason. [10:8:15 p] <ugly13f> you said you wouldnt tell
who my brother is!! [10:8:35 p] <Maarken> they know. [10:8:47 p] <Maarken>
Inoshiro said it. [10:9:30 p] <ugly13f> im sorry
later:
[10:11:28 p] <ugly13f> said you weren't hackers!!
[10:11:35 p] <Maarken> we aren't.
[10:11:43 p] <ugly13f> inoshiro just said my address!!!
[10:12:8 p] <Maarken> street address?
[10:12:17 p] <ugly13f> yes
[10:12:46 p] <Maarken> sure, it's
[snip]
[10:13:6 p] <Maarken> common knowledge.
[10:13:9 p] <ugly13f> What are you doing???
[10:13:17 p] <Maarken> heh
(This is CP0039)
From: Ceee Peee
:)
To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
Subject: Re: [k22320inchfan] Vlad needs to be terminated
Date sent: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 01:32:20 -0800 (PST)
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
(This is CP0012)
Did you guys get to it before vlad deleted the img tag to hello.jpg? Apparently authors are given free reign to put all sorts of html in their stories.
I wouldn't worry too much about vlad fucking things up. Our own slash site would be ideal, of course, but short of that, I'm in favor of using a site where we have registered authors who can clean up the crap and play with the settings. Today, I gave myself god mode (such wonderfully secure stuff, slashcode is) and created author "gbd" for the purpose of posting gbd's communism article (vlad'll shit a brick, I'm sure) before deleting the author to clean up -- it's not out of the question to create other authors for the rest of you guys, though the polite thing would be to run it by vlad first. I also got ahold of vlad's slashdot password, though I don't plan to do anything with it (he already metamodded). He's not the brightest in the bunch, but he's tame, and I'm not sure he's figured out the db enough to track us down.
I'm still working out the details so don't quote me, but a potentially workable scenario by my metric is: we each get author status, we post a hidden section article on geekizoid as no-comments (like zengan did with the iraq article way back when), and since we're all authors, we can override the "no comments" aspect and post away. Someone might still be able to find t, but at least the signal/noise level won't be any orse than we ourselves make it.
--- jlb wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, John Montoya wrote:
> > And actually, his "Alan Greenspan" story was quite
> > funny.
>
> Just found out, that was by cp, fyi.
>
> You didn't think vlad came up with it, did you?
>
> --
> "Is this real?"
> "Does it matter?"
>
(This is CP0012)
*** Sulla is now known as bc_dvd :) ;)1 115/168/2oxdj.html ... .. :\ :( :( :\ :-)e d_par.html :\ :\ :\ ... a little thick at timesi ctures/xxxpics/i ctures/xxxpics/4ladies/0208.jpgi ctures/xxxpics/BonkSeries/bonk054.jpgi ctures/xxxpics/BonkSeries/bonk070.jpg :( :( :\ :( ... ... do you like that format or this one: http://violate.me.uk/blog/ :( :(0 3653/05
[bc_dvd] bye
[momocrome] hi
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[county] Hi and bye to all of you, as appropriate.
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[county] cyndrekit, hello.
[cyndrekit] hello county
[cyndrekit] did bc actually get a dvd?
[cyndrekit] I am shocked.
[cyndrekit]
[county] I wonder what it is.
[me0w] Hello
[county] Greetings, me0w.
[me0w] Good day
[cyndrekit] hi hi
[em] http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/02
[cyndrekit] is there a story to go with it?
[em] yes
[cyndrekit] oh cool, found it
[em] the photo is just too cool.
* momocrome moans
[momocrome] too much drunk for one night
[county] It's not night!
[me0w] Soon it will be.
[momocrome] oh last night's what I mean
[county] You didn't seem that drunk.
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[wsl3] Has anyone in here actually had a child?
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[wsl3] Has anyone in here actually had a child?
[me0w] I have a cat
[me0w] She's kind of like a child.
[bc] hello!
[me0w] hi!
[bc] damn, missed cyn
[bc] that film was great
[county] What was it?
[bc] it was "Contact", county
[bc] I liked the way it explored revelatory experiences
[county] Have I mentioned that I've nursed an infatuation for Jodie Foster?
[bc] and scepticism as opposed to faith
[bc] you know what? I was just thinking about that
[county] About what?
[bc] I never really used to like her, because she seems quite sharp nosed and hard faced, in that way
[bc] but now, well, now I see. She seemed so vulnerable in that film
[county] I like well-defined faces.
[county] I can see why her's might be too sharp for you, though.
[bc] and you just wanted to protect her against the world
[momocrome] i hate kitten, but I am hung over and foggy headed
[bc] it is quite sharp, but I see beyond that now
[county] I like faces with character, not just formless fleshy masses, that so many other girls seem to have.
[county] Don't hate kitten, momocrome.
[county] There's no point.
[county] I just don't understand how he thinks he's different than the people he's always railing on.
[county] It's really funny, actually.
[bc] hehe
[bc] it's true, county
[bc] he constantly moans about people being "arrogant", or "narrow minded"
[county] I try to point it out now and then, but he just doesn't see it.
[bc] and you think "whaaa?"
[county] I think stouts are my favorite.
[bc] kitten is the most narrow minded & arrogant chap on the internet
[me0w] I am going out drinking tonight.
[county] One of my bus infatuations, the one who was being picked on, has a somewhat sharp face.
[county] Actually, I love her face.
[bc] I hope you have a voice of reason, me0w
[county] It's pretty, but not beautiful, by normal standards.
[county] But it just looks so carefully crafted, somehow.
[bc] is the sharp faced bus infatuation the same girl as the one with the limp?
[county] It looks like someone wanted her face to look just like that, and they invested endless time in carefully crafting it.
[county] You know what I mean?
[me0w] bc: I do, although this voice of reason is a little suspect
[county] (No, the limping girl is someone else, and she doesn't generally limp.)
[bc] why me0w, is this voice of reason American or something? I know you hate Americans. An American Voice of Reason would probably advice you to lick the most repugnant people in the room, as retaliation.
[bc] county: yes, I do know
[bc] interesting faces are nice
[county] When I see her, I want to hold her face in my hands and kiss it.
[county] But that's not a polite thing to do on a bus.
[county] You're wrong about us American's, bc. An American voice of reason wouldn't feel any ill will toward me0w, despite her hatred.
[bc] get to know her first, and do it later. Have her melt
[county] It would just feel sadness and hurt.
[county] "Americans"
[Sylvain] hey bc
[bc] county, my impression of Americans is that they are friendly and kind, and idealistic, but that if you cross them they take a just vengeance
[bc] hey em
[county] Cross us, yes. Simply hating us but doing nothing about it is not crossing us.
[bc] that seems fair enough
[bc] though who knows, me0w yank-hatred is such that it wouldn't surprise me to find she has crossed the line
[me0w] bc: this voice of reason has been my friend since HS, and on several occasions, while I was not quite in the right fram of mind, he got me to do silly things.
[county] It's mean and hurtful, yes, but that's not enough. We Americans only retaliate when actual harm is done.
[me0w] I do not have individual-yank hatred.
[county] I hope she hasn't crossed the line. America's wrath is great toward those who hurt her.
[bc] he sounds like a splendid chap, me0w. He should tell you to lick a lovely, yooung 16yo with lots of acne
[me0w] bc: He would tell me to go and make out with girls.
[bc] what?? That's only because he gets off on it himself, the weirdo perv
[county] Lesbian sex must be the least arousing thing in existence.
[bc] agreed, county, but I understand many chaps find it appealing
[county] But oh, man.
[county] This is nice.
[bc] generally ones with supressed homosexual urges themselves, I understand
[county] I have that warm, content feeling that comes with a few boozes and just finishing a delicious salami and pepper jack sandwich.
[bc] I want to have faith in something
[bc] I don't know what, but it seems to make people happy
[bc] so it must be worth a shot
[me0w] He likes to make me do these things and take pictures
[bc] he's sounding more&more sick
[county] What sort of things?
[me0w] He teases my SO with the pictures.
[county] I'm only asking so we can get a good idea of how sick he is.
[bc] "teases"? If I had a gf who french kissed girls in strange clubs, and a friend who took pictures of this and then showed them to me, I'd be jolly well angry, and likely explode in anger and start shouting at people
[bc] It takes all sorts, eh county
[county] I wouldn't want a girl that french kisses other girls.
[Sylvain] is it just me, or has this channel become too serious?
[county] This channel is a joke, Sylvain.
[bc] Sylvain, it's great. Since the regulars left, the channel has become more&more&more fun
[county] I like this channel. It's a lot of bullshit, a lot of heartfelt confession, and a lot of fighting.
[county] I can't think how it could be improved.
[bc] that's pretty much why I like it. What makes it tolerable is that a lot of the time, you can't really tell which is which
[county] For example, I quite like my online relationship with luisa.
[bc] serious? or bullshit? serious fight? bullshit fight? confession or or bullshit? fight? mixing it up to cause a fight? Who can tell.
[county] It's all fighting mixed with lies and truths.
[bc] I hope ubu has extensive logs of #kuro5hin
[bc] actually, do you, county?
[bc] going back a year or so?
[county] Well, I log whenever I'm in there.
[bc] I wish to find something
[county] I should point out that I've only been online for a month or so.
[bc] yes, but I understand you are friendly with someone who was here before, it was just on the offchance he gave you his logs
[county] Well, I have #k5 logs going back over a year, yes.
[bc] what size are they when zipped up would you guess?
[bc] nothing vast, right? not 50mb or something absurd?
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[bc] hello dmg
[dmg] whassup bc
[Sylvain] hey dmg
[bc] not much
[dmg] hey sylvain
[bc] I just watched "contact" dmg, which has led me to believe I need faith in my life.
[county] I have a bit over 100mb of #k5 logs, bc.
[bc] em probably hates that film, for its inclusion of arecibo and the airbrushing out of native 'Ricans, only mentioned in passing for their superstitious beliefs about the telescope
[bc] crap, that's loads county
[bc] bugger it
[dmg] contact ? Is that with whatshername from silence of th e lambs
[Sylvain] superstitious beliefs indeed
[bc] yes dmg
[dmg] I dont like her voice
[Sylvain] the visiting scientists don't leave ALL that much money as they think
[county] Silence, dmg.
[county] She is my infatuation of the moment.
[bc] yes. She was mine first though
[bc] I spent the film marvelling at her vulnerability
[county] I liked her before you watched the film, bastard!
[dmg] you would like "the accused" then...
[dmg] she is more vulnerable in that.
[dmg] I just cannot stand her voice
[bc] She only came to my notice during the film, really. She fits the archetype that I like in women, so it can be said that I have always liked her, as long as I have been alive.
[dmg] eurrgh
[county] Her voice, or her accent?
[dmg] her voive
[dmg] voice
[dmg] it just annoysh me
[county] I never found it annoying.
[county] hmm.
[dmg] itsh sho annoying
[bc] I like it. It seems to have a nice burr
[me0w] My SO's drunken sister keeps messaging me. =/
[bc] she's like a female sean connery
[dmg] bc: exactly
[dmg] she shertainly ish
[bc] me0w, give her my aim and tell her to msg me
[county] Have her msg me.
[bc] I think I'd enjoy talking to a drunken woman!
[me0w] bc: She is on Y!
[dmg] get her on #adequacy
[county] I want a drunk girl to torment.
[county] ARGH
[bc] that's okay, I'm on yahoo too me0w
[me0w] I don't think she knows how to irc.
[county] I WANT A DRUNK GIRL TO TORMENT SO MUCH
[me0w] She does use that horrible habbo hotel junk
[county] Huh?
[bc] trillian just connected me to aim, yahoo, msn and icq. Now tell her to msg me! My ID on yahoo is tinyp3a. DO IT.
[bc] I WANT TO TORMENT COUNTY SO MUCH
[county] ]:(
[me0w] Be nice
[county] I am a fragile angel.
[me0w] she is my future sister-in-law
[bc] I'm always nice
[dmg] trillian can connect to msn ?
[dmg] wow!
[dmg] I never realised that.
[county] bc steals every woman I want.
[county] Every one
[me0w] bc, I gave her your id
[bc] wow!
[bc] she really is drunk
[Sylvain] paste example
[dmg] bc is from www.girlfriendstealers.com
[county] dmg, he did steal my girlfriend.
[county] Actually.
[dmg] http://www.girlfriendstealer.com/
[bc] [censored]: helloo?1
[bc] tinyp3a: hello!
[bc] [censored]: howw s u?
[county] I can't believe I forgave him for that.
[me0w] bc, please keep in mind that she is only 17
[dmg] women come and go.
[county] dmg, I loved her!
[county] And bc stole her
[dmg] those are the breaks.
[dmg] bc is irresistible to women.
[dmg] he is like Sam Sloan in that respect
* Sylvain looks at a list of ebay sections, notices "charity"
[county] Yeah. And when I cut his hands and feet of, burn his face off with acide, and leave him to die, those will be the breaks, eh?
[dmg] well yes.
[county] "acid"
[dmg] bc takes full responsibility for his actions.
[bc] [censored]: LoL AWW U SHOULDA!!
[dmg] he is an anarcho-capitalist libertarian
* bc ROFL
[dmg] who was this woman anyway ?
[dmg] she cannot have been in love with you if she let bc steal her away
[county] me0w's SO's sister.
[bc] county, I asked to speak to her first
[bc] so I didn't steal her at all
[bc] she is verrry drunk
[county] I thought of it first, bc, but my intoxication is slowing down my typing.
[Sylvain] bc: i don't think that will appease county's perception of entitledness.
[county] Ask her for naked pictures of Jin Wicked, bc.
[dmg] I have some of those
[county] Yeah? Lucky you.
[dmg] she keeps crapflooding my mailbox with them
[dmg] attention-seeker.
[county] She's a pain, in that respect.
[county] And every other respect.
[dmg] its like,
[county] With no respect.
[dmg] stop spamming me with nude photos.
[dmg] If I wanted to see that sort of thing I would get a girlfriend.
[county] I want to see it, and I can't get a girlfriend.
[county] You're attractive, confident, and wordly.
[Sylvain] dmg: you'd get a girlfriend to see nude *photos*?
[county] I'm a geeky pud.
[dmg] no if I wanted to see nude women
[dmg] Id get a girlfriend
[county] Or you'd just sleep around. Slut.
[dmg] aha the old double standard
[county] Not all nude women were created equal, though.
[dmg] we are all equal in the eyes of Allah (SWT) apart from the Infidels
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[county] There's only one girl I want to see naked, actually.
[bc] damn
[bc] she's too drunk to realise that when I say I'm living under a glacier, I'm joking
* me0w giggles
*** Abu_Nidal is now known as dmg
[dmg] Scotland is an icy barren wasteland though, bc
[me0w] time for showering
[dmg] she could be forgiven
[Sylvain] bc maybe that's not drunkenness.
[bc] also, she speaks like a black Londoner with hyper estuary english
[Sylvain] it's perhaps stupidity augmented by adolescence and drunkenness.
[dmg] hold on one moment. if she is 17 and drunk, is she not guilty of an offence ????
[Sylvain] nope.
[dmg] Should not we be reporting her to the authorities
[dmg] ???
[dmg] or the person who supplied the alcohol
[bc] LOL
[Sylvain] somebody else is
[dmg] In the UK the alcohol age is 5
[dmg] for consumption in the home
[county] You must be kidding.
[dmg] how enlightened compared to our other stupid laws.
[dmg] no, its 5
[dmg] seriously
[county] Why have an age at all?
[dmg] Ill find a web page if I can to PROVE it
[county] Yeah, because web pages are always right!
[bc] she's away now
[bc] [censored]: BywebYE!!
[bc] which is sort of a relief
[bc] hehe
[county] I bet you got lots of fantastic drunken cybersex ]:(
[bc] don't be revolting county
[bc] I am a people person
[dmg] http://www.icap.org/pdf/report4updated.pdf
[bc] people interest me, and I like to find out all about them
[bc] there is no other motivation
[county] I'm not going to try to read through a pdf in this condition.
[dmg] one moment
[dmg] fucking cut-n-paste doesn't work
[county] I think I'd like another salami sandwish
[dmg] In bars and off-licensed premises the MDA and MPA are 18. The MPA for
[dmg] beer and cider is 16 when purchased for consumption with meals
[dmg] (except when in a bar). Children over five may consume alcoholic
[dmg] beverages at home with their parent's consent.
[bc] pdf sucks
[dmg] basically if you have cool parents you can get pissed once you start infant school
[dmg] but if you are over 18 and want to drink after 11pm, you are shit out of luck
[dmg] its a contradiction to be sure...
[Sylvain] there are some exceptions to alcohol laws here in USia IIRC
[Sylvain] e.g. it's allowed to give a child some wine if required by a religious ritual
[dmg] * In 19 states alcohol consumption by youth under 21 is not specifically
[dmg] illegal.
[dmg] ** Exceptions to the 21 law in some states include possession for
[dmg] religious purposes when accompanied by a parent, spouse or legal
[dmg] guardian; medical reasons; in private clubs or establishments; in the
[dmg] course of lawful employment by a duly licensed manufac
[Sylvain] e.g. catholic communion frequently involves a bit of wine.
[bc] I remember when I first got drunk
[bc] I thought "I want to spend the rest of my days in this condition"
[bc] it was a revelation
[bc] I think I have found my faith already
[dmg] I was about four when I first got drunk. on Babycham believe it or not. My mum did not realise it was alcoholic
*** Sylvain changes topic to '[ bc] I remember when I first got drunk || [ bc] I thought "I want to spend the rest of my days in this condition"'
[bc] I had a good swig of scotdch when I was 6 months old and got drunk
[bc] that was quite impressive. I saw the glass of double scotch, grasped it in two hands, and swigged it right down
[bc] well, I can't in truth remember if it got be drunk, or anything about it at all, but I'm sure it must've
[dmg] thats pretty funny
[dmg] you could have died however.
[Sylvain] he wouldn't have understood it.
[bc] nah, I took it like a baby
[Sylvain] no trauma for him
[Sylvain] what's the problem with dying when you're a perfectly innocent being?
[Sylvain] it's only when we grow old and come to appreciate that life is valuable that we have a problem with it
[county] I am a perfectly innocent being.
[dmg] what about original sin ?
[Sylvain] 16:31 [ county] I WANT A DRUNK GIRL TO TORMENT SO MUCH
[bc] you'll note he didn't actually do it, em
[bc] county has control of his desires
[county] I actually don't even think I wrote that.
* Sylvain sings: Nwel a rive pou nou pa pedi lespwa nou!
[county] The wind has really picked up here.
[county] It's almost violent.
[dmg] im going to bed
[dmg] its past my bedtime
* bc bought a bottle of Appleston Estate 40 year old today,Sylvain
[dmg] bloody IRC
[bc] night dmg!
[dmg] night night everyone
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[county] What's that, bc?
[Sylvain] bc: wow.
[bc] it's an excellent rum
[Sylvain] how much was it?
[bc] a bloody fortune
[Sylvain] fuck. the oldest rum i've ever had is 12 years.
[county] Ah, a rum.
[Sylvain] any words on how good it is beyond "excellent"?
[county] The oldest rum I've had was also 12 years.
[bc] it tastes nice. Older rums seem to become more whiskyish, somehow, it is hard to explain
[bc] much more complex
[county] Now you just need some forty year old coke.
[bc] it is aged in the tropics, too
[bc] apparantly that means it ages more rapidly
[bc] at about 3x the rate of a spirit aged in, say, canada
[bc] anyway, I don't know. It tastes very nutty, somehow
[Sylvain] but how expensive was it?
[bc] em: £10,000
[bc] http://www.canoe.ca/LifewiseFoodWine01/0314_winew
[Sylvain] yeah, right, like you have 15,795.99 USD
[bc]
[bc] it's really nice with coke though!
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[bc]
[bc] wouldn't that be lovely though?
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[bc] I'd be scared to drink it
[bc] hey iat!
[iat] hey bc
[iat] whassup bc?
[bc] not much
[bc] how's the online dating scene going? =)
[iat] i finally got rid of my woman. she came to get rid of her shit from my flat this evening. i'm getting pissed and then tomorrow im gonna get on with my life
* county sighs
[bc] dmg was telling me about it, er, your troubles with her
* county weeps
[iat] dmg said you're coming to london next month
[iat] heh, someone gave her rohypnol last night!
[county] That's horrible.
[iat] i don't know who would be fucked up enough to waste good rohypnol on her
[bc] did he? He's wrong. I was going to, but something disastrous happened. I may come in January, but not december, that's been off for ages due to commitments
[iat] bah, we all want to meet you
[iat] what did dmg say about me/it/her?
[bc] hehe. I'll come down sooner or later
[bc] he was talking about how you met her on match.com (!)
[bc] which reminds me, I have to search march.com insanely to find her
[iat] yeah, it's either that or start fucking my secretary. i saw it as the lesser of two evils
[me0w] bc, And how was she?
[bc] there really can't be that many overweight, red headed, goth girls from london on mach.com
[iat] you'd be surprised
[county] No more than twenty or so, I'd guess.
[bc] me0w: very drunk. Spoke in estuary english. Seemed good natured though, through the disgraceful mists of her underage drinking
[iat] btw, you forgot moustachiod
[iat] otoh, there are no biologists with pds living in edinburgh on match
[bc]
[county] Why on earth did you even have anything to do with her, iat?
[bc] I found one I liked on match.com
[me0w] bc, She is a nice girl
[iat] county: i wanted to get my redhead fetish out of the way
[bc] but I'm not showing her to you iat, you'd steal her
[iat] i wasn;t sure if the "ginger pubes" thing was a liberal myth
[me0w] bc, I think there is a picture of her in my gallery
[iat] of course i'd steal her, i'm a stud
[bc] heh me0w. She seemed nice. Drunk for sure, drunk as a Lord, it was terrifically amusing
[me0w] bc, Unfortunately her typing doesn't get much better
[iat] bc: where's your bondage pr0n collection stored on aq?
[county] A stud? You seem like a poorer middle class fellow, somewhat on the ugly side.
[iat] upper middle class, only slightly ugly thank you
[iat] but, i am hung like a mouse
[iat] emr, moose
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[Sulla] me0w, are you trying to say that she mayn't have been drunk at all, or was only tipsy, and that she isn't really too different when sober?
[Sulla] iat: I forget. I never look at it, and it isn't "my collection"
[me0w] bc, She was drunk.
[iat] whose collection is it then?
[me0w] bc, But when she is sober I often have a dificult time understanding what she is saying.
[Sulla] it is me0ws and I put it there cos perdida wanted it for some story relating to 80's bdsm pornography for her site
[me0w] bc, she likes to type in some sort of sms speak
[Sulla] hehe
[Sulla] that would explain whey she says "da" for "the"
[me0w] bc, ahaha you still have those pictures?
[iat] who is me0w anyway? there's all these new faces since i last frewuented #aq?
[Sulla] me0w yes, and embrassingly, someone posted the link into my diary and made all sorts of insinuations
[Sulla] mind you, since I've claimed to be a rapist on k5 before it isn't like I can sink much lower
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[iat] anyway bc, you never told me where you keep it
[me0w] bc, and they weren't even good pictures
[Sulla] iat, me0w is this bird wot came here from #k5 who is quite nice and stuff, though canadian (french)
[county] Does me0w speak french?
[Sulla] iat, I'll look out the url
[iat] i work with a REAL french canadian, her mother's french and her father's canadian. she's never been near "french candian" territory
[county] Sulla, so you really do have a bondage porn collection?
[county] I thought that was myth.
[Sulla] http://www.adequacy.org/images/bc/violate.me.uk/p
[Sulla] it's not my fucking collection!
[Sulla] jesus H christ
[me0w] bc, you know, I've never actually looked at all of them
[county] Yeah, whatever.
[iat] it appears to be quite a copmorehensive collection bc
[Sulla] there are perfectly legitimate reasons the pics are there
[county] So you find this appealing, bc? http://www.adequacy.org/images/bc/violate.me.uk/p
[Sulla] me0w, neither have I
[Sulla] I just looked at some funny 80's ones
[me0w] bc, I looked at the ones that perdida pointed out
[Sulla] http://www.adequacy.org/images/bc/violate.me.uk/p
[Sulla] I'm sorry, that makes me laugh and laugh
[county] These are amusing and sexy at the same time. I love it!
[Sulla] anyway, when I can be bothered, I'll delete the whole lot
[me0w] bc, was there a series of hunchback pictures?
[Sulla] yes me0w
[Sulla] the "bonk" series
[Sulla] http://www.adequacy.org/images/bc/violate.me.uk/p
[Sulla] that's also pretty damned hilarious
[county] I'll give you $728 for all these pictures, Sulla.
[Sulla] some of them are funny, but all the rest are just crude and nasty
[Sulla] county, it's a deal!
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[county] Fantastic!
[bc] I love the leer on the guy's face
[bc] so cheesy
[me0w] county, I could just mail you the cd they came from
[bc] that's a nice offer, eh county? You should accept
[county] The truth is, I like nothing more than pictures of bound and tormented women.
[county] However, I prefer not to post my mailing address in the channel.
[bc] then msg it to me0w
[county] Msg? I don't know what you mean by that.
[bc] liar
[county] Oh, that hurts
[bc] iat has gone quite quiet since I posted the link, eh?
[bc] I wonder what he is doing?
[iat] heh
[me0w] Wanking?
[iat] smoking and drinking
[county] I'm wanking.
[county] How could I not?
[county] All these photographs of naked women tied up!
[county] It's paradise, from my perspective.
[iat] i love smoking
[iat] i just wish it didn't cost so much
[bc] I thought you were a health freak?
[iat] not these days
[bc] good move
[bc] welcome to the "cool set"
[iat] the pressures of work have turned me into a nicotine-fuelled anorexic
[county] I have never, ever smoked.
[county] I probably should.
[bc] you'd like it
[iat] i have never, ever smoked crack
[bc] everybody with an addictive personality should have many addictions
[county] I don't have an addictive personality.
[bc] You do. Oh god you do.
[bc] You are always looking for a hit
[county] Explain!
[county] I'm addicted to little.
[county] Just alcohol and that girl from work's ass.
[bc] you don't just talk to people. You have angles, you attack and duck and weave, you seek the high of torture and humiliation of others in everything you say
[county] No
[county] Not others, women.
[county] I only want to hurt females.
[county] Please keep that straight.
[bc] You do it to vlad often enough, phoneboy
[me0w] I dunno what to wear
[county] Oh, that's different.
[iat] bc: will you stop saying "humiliation"? the "iat" bit interrupts my mp3s by making acidmax make sounds
[bc] hehe, okay iat, I didn't realise I said humiliation so often
[county] My motivation for tormenting vlad is entriely different than my motivation for tormenting, say, luisa.
[bc] me0w, wear leather and stuff
[bc] I don't know
[county] me0w, dress chastly.
[county] It's incredibly sexy.
[bc] me0w, wear a denim skirt with a sort of white lacery around the pockets that looks lovely and homely, and a black t-shirt above that is slinky and just has strap things over the shoulders so it is more of a dress, really.
[bc] let your hair hang down forward over your bosom, to each side, following the contours perfectly
[me0w] bc, I don't own any denim skirts
[me0w] and I only have a leather corset
[bc] hmmmn
[county] I told you, me0w.
[iat] bc: what happened to your general knwoledge bot?
[county] Dress chastly.
[county] It will draw guys like you can't believe.
[bc] wear a turqoise top, that is very close fitting and very slightly see-through, revealing a white bra underneath on the edge of awareness, and making men think you are less calculating and more genuine than those other dolled up girls. Underneath, wear black trousers that are practical looking though ladylike, covered in pockets
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[bc] iat: It's on my hard drive. I got bored with it and moved onto other things
[county] The white bra is a good idea.
[iat] what are you coding now, j00 1337 hax0r j00?
[me0w] bc, I don't own a turqoise top
[county] When I see a white bra, my instinct is to assume it was displayed on accident, becuause my tendancy is to feel white-bra-clad people are pure and innocent.
[me0w] and I don't know if I have a white bra
[county] ]:(
[me0w] wait wait
[me0w] I found a white bra
[bc] I'm writing a new peer2peer filesharing system that will specialise in text, pdf and html documents that the man would like to keep down. it will allow you to search for strings inside the text body, and return results, google like, that show the context
[bc] zool me0w!
[county] she had a blue bra, it was lovely. I hate it now, though I loved it then!
[bc] okay, do you have any slightly see-through tops at all?
[county] Oh god, she looked lovely in it.
[bc] what we are going for here is the thrown-on, unsophisticated but lovely look
[me0w] I have a whole collection of see through wear
[me0w] but I don't think it would be appropriate for the places I'm going this evening
[county] "see-through" should be hyphenated.
[iat] bc "the man" doensn't care about text files
[bc] bugger appropriate. Look like a lost fawn in the wilderness
[bc] he does, iat, more than any other media
[iat] approprIATe interrupts my mp3s. plz stop tnx
[me0w] these pants require a thong
[bc] my filesharing network will have terrorist plans, blueprints, and government leaks and such
[bc] and books
[iat] no-one will use it for anything other than war3zing books
[bc] I will provide that service. It's more than a filesharing network, I intend it to be a peer-2-peer knowledge base sort of deal
[bc] you can do context searches and it will return a few paeges or a chapter from a book say
[bc] and it will allow a wikipedia type self editing bit
[iat] how long have you been programming?
[bc] but everything will be peer-2-peer, the whole encyclopaedia
[iat] aargh, not wikipedia!
[bc] not like that, but that's the model. Imagine a wikipaedia not located on any machine, but spread across a peer-2-peer netowrk. it could hold the Truth, regardless of what government or corporate law tries
[bc] it's a powerful concept for political and informational insurgency
[iat] there is no TRUTH
[bc] you state that like it is a truth
[bc] well, it's not!
[iat] of course
[iat] there is not truth... even to say that is not true... but to say its not true is also not true
[bc] it won't hold any particular truth, many truths and narratives
[bc] it shall be thoroughly decentralised and beyond the control of anyone, that is the point
[county] Quite right, bc. There are many truths, in this modern age.
[bc] must smoke
[iat] why not smoke then?
[bc] I'm ahead of you, iat
[iat] i've smoked 19 since 7:30 and have just 1 left
[bc] wow that's lots
[county] are there just 20 in a pack/:?
[iat] yeah, how many did you think there were?
[bc] yes, unless you get Rothman's Royals
[iat] oh yeah
[bc] which have 24, for some reason
[county] iat, I've never smoked.
[iat] or 10 packs, but you can't get those in usia
[bc] just think iat, if you had got Royals, you'd have 5 left now
[iat] heh
[me0w] I have a favour to ask
[iat] but they wouldn't taste half as nice as mmy marlboro lights
[bc] what's that me0w?
[bc] yuk
[me0w] bc, I need an opinion
[bc] I don't like Marlboro lights. I'm a Dunhill man
[me0w] bc, you know what my site currently looks like right?
[bc] yes
[bc] yes I do
[iat] dunhill?
[me0w] bc, ok
[bc] I browse it every 20 minutes
[iat] dunhill are for poor people, eight?
[iat] erm, right even
[bc] they are not for poor people
[bc] just the opposite
[iat] heh
[iat] my marlboro light costs me 4.70 a pack
[iat] beat that
[bc] this one has a more traditional bloggy feel me0w, but won't it mean the front page won't change as radically so often? I suppose I like it better in that you can see the previous articles, but less in that the front page doesn't periodically change radically, so that you don't know what will appear. It's prolly more sensible though
[bc] also, the right hand side seems wider somehow
[bc] mine cost £4.95
[bc] suck it!
[bc] and that's without inflated london prices
[iat] bah
[bc] it must be the pics making the right wider
[iat] that's stupid
[me0w] bc, the pics do make it wider
[iat] are dunhills those ones that have the wide packets that don't fit in your pocket?
[me0w] bc, this new system is a modifed blogger
[bc] those are dunhill internationals, iat, which I often get too, and are about £5.40
[iat] i know a gay guy who smokes the methol ones of those
[iat] draw your own conclusions
[bc] I see. Well, me0w, it makes the site less characterful and "homebrew", but probably more sensible and easier to navigate
[bc] depends what you want I suppose
[bc] iat, menthols of any stripe are for the less manly
[iat] heh. yeah
[bc] same as marlboro lights
[bc] female student's smoke, that
[iat] bah
[iat] marlboro lights are for those people who smoke but dont want to admit it to themselves
* momocrome has a crush on Siân Phillips
[iat] which does cover many female students i guess
[bc] you should have a commenting system me0w
[bc] what an ego-site then!
[bc] who, momocrome?
[bc] she sounds suspiciously welsh
[bc] I hope you haven't started liking welsh people
[momocrome] welch
[bc] I might have known it
[bc] poor momocrome
[iat] "mr blue sky, please tell us why you had to hide away for so long!"
[bc] ??
[iat] i'm singing
[bc] I thought it was some sort of prayer
[iat] no, it's ELO
[bc] oh
[bc] Electric Light Orchestra?
[iat] bah, i'm in danger of losing my lightweightedness
[iat] i've had 8 bottles of stella and am not feeling tired
[iat] yeah, electric light orchestra
[iat] i've always wondered how the words fit togeth in that phrase
[bc] you should try yourself spirits now that beer doesn't provide the kick it once did
[iat] is it: electric... light orchestra, or electric light.... orchestra?
[bc] look at county, he was drinking spirits insanely, now he is probably unconscious
[iat] i don't like spirits, they give me a hangover
[bc] try a clean ethanol-only spirit then
[bc] like vodka
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[iat] an "ethanol only" spirit is surely pure ethanol
[bc] I mean, a spirit without any methanol
[bc] methanol is bad for hangovers
[bc] wine has loads of it
[iat] do they normally put methanol in spirits?
[bc] especially red wine
[bc] and the murkier spirits
[bc] iat, methanol is a natual alcohol of the fermentation process
[bc] there's usually much less of it than ethanol, but most drinks have it to varying amounts
[iat] is it? methanol is just a shorter carbon chain right?
[iat] can you get pissed off methanol?
[bc] I think so. Maybe longer, damned if I know
[bc] yes you can
[bc] it's an alcohol
[bc] but it gives you a much worse hangover
[momocrome] you'll go blind instantly when you get drunk off methanol
[iat] methanol is CH2OH from memory
[bc] which is why booze that has more of it gives you a worse hangover
[iat] ethanl is CH3CH20H
[bc] but generally they have little, but still enough for headaches
[bc] wine for example, I think only 5% of the alcohol in it is methanol
[bc] I forget, but a small amount
[iat] i'm fine off white wine, but red wine gives me shokcing headaches the morning after, as does guiness
[iat] oh dear, craig's gone mad again
[bc] red wine is the worst
[bc] iat: where?
[iat] 20721
[bc] I must look
[bc] I sort of provoked him
[iat] was it you stirring shit bc?
[momocrome] i have done my part as well
[iat] shame on you, vlad must be eliminated
[bc] I did a post attacking craig, yes
[bc] saying he should fantasise about he petrified virgin mary
[bc] and iat, goddamnit, phoning up vlad and stuff is totally over the line
[bc] and he's an insane fucker!
[iat] heh, what about garden gnomes?
[bc] no not me
[momocrome] it is actually illegal behaviour
[momocrome] but more than that, it is supid
[momocrome] suuupid
[momocrome] stupid
[bc] damned right
[bc] and not only that, the fucker posted all our names to the sid
[momocrome] this isn't trolling, it is thug-like cruelty
[bc] fuck him!
[iat] informal #adequacy poll. should iat have another drink?
[bc] yes momocrome
[bc] and yes iat
[iat] 1) no, he should sleep
[momocrome] yes, iat
[momocrome] 2) yes, iat
[iat] 2) no, he has no more fags, and booze with no fage makes iat sad
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[iat] 2) yes, he still has too much booze to fit it into his cupboards
[iat] 4) yes, he's still not pissed
[iat] 5) yes, why not:?
[momocrome] pop up to the corner chop and procure a acket of fags
[iat] which one?
[iat] corner shop is not only closed. but it's on the common council estate
[momocrome] do you have a crowbar?
[FcmfAC] Ah, well.
[iat] if i had some rizlas, i could smoke my fag butts again
[FcmfAC] It's going to go down in flames.
[iat] more booze it is then
[FcmfAC] http://www.kuro5hin.org/displaystory/2002/11/16/2
[iat] bc, can you dcc me some fags?
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He actually says that Linux offers him some good flexibility and modularity and does the job but he also adds he's open to discussing other solutions with Microsoft and he also points aout that, in embedded appliances, nobody cares about the OS being run.
Trolling using another account since 2005.
Do the editors read the stories? Nice try.
Fraudativeras!!
Those definitely were some stupid things, but I remember SGI was trying to get into the big internet server market. At the same time, they were selling us buggy hardware and saying "well, if your running the bleeding edge, you're going to have some hiccups." In some ways, the move away from the ultra cool looking computer that's unreliable for everyday work to the servers they're putting out now that are more reliable was a good move. They weren't going to make money on the year they had before their super-cool, super-fast architectures became mainstream. At least selling the machines at 10x the price an equivalent machine would cost a year later.
[dmg] "http://www.jang-group.com/thenews/sep2002-weekly/ iqra-20-09-2002/#3" ;but i drunk.2 572m enu=news.quirkiesm enu=news.weirdworld.sexlifem enu=news.weirdworld.sexlife5 437m enu=news.weirdworld.sexlife :( :-) :(m enu=news.weirdworld.badtaste :\
[dmg] "The Holy Prophet (Sall Allaho alaihe wasallam) used to joke, but he never said anything but the truth in his jokes. "
[dmg] "trolling with the truth" is a halal Islamic technique....
[dmg] there we have it.
[dmg] Trolling is sanctioned by Allah (swt(
[momocrome] wonderful
[bc] haha-haaa
[bc] that irc log is hilarious
[dmg] that takest the biscuit
[bc] [bc] vlad... i'2 type 'mo
[dmg] I laughed
[momocrome] post the text to 20721
[momocrome] stir the pot a bit
[momocrome] I am going to rise to their baiting
[momocrome] even thoughI haven't been singled out
[bc] haha
[bc] I must read more now
[dmg] "In "al-Adab al-Mufrad", Bukhari reports from Bakr bin Abdullah, who said: "The Companions of the Holy Prophet (Sall Allaho alaihe wasallam) used to throw melon-rinds at one another, but when the matter was serious, they were the only true men."
[dmg]
[dmg] "
[dmg] So its OK to throw melon rinds at people ?
[momocrome] it is comical, in fact
[dmg] The more I read about Islam, the less it makes sense.
[dmg] that sounds like slapstick humor.
[dmg] do you think custard pies would be ok ?
[momocrome] God Willing, I will get you with this melon rind!
[dmg] are there any hadith on this ?
[momocrome] No you shall not, God Willing!
[dmg] LOL
[momocrome] I like the way they can become the only true men at a moment's notice
[bc] it's amazing how they STILL go on about perdida
[dmg] http://www.world-sex-records.com/sex-076.htm "The Hardy Cocks of Upper Egypt"
[shoeboy] I need to go home
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[shoeboy] but I haven't put in 8 hours
[abu_zeqqzeqq] "In the Kinsey survey of more than 5000 men, three or four were found who could ejaculate by deliberately concentrating on sexual fantasies, without any genital manipulation - "In such a case the psychic stimulation is entirely responsible for the result." Two or three males in a thousand are able to suck their own penises to achieve orgasm and ejaculation. "
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[abu_zeqqzeqq] http://www.world-sex-records.com/sex-054.htm
[bc] Contemplating suicide everyday, Barry someday hopes to either grow the testicles to off himself or to fall in love with some fat-ankled trash-eating Scottish sow. I don't see a difference between the two fates, but anything is better than not being to tell a dirty joke.
[bc] hahaha
[bc] oh god
[bc] trollaxor is great
[abu_zeqqzeqq] "Masturbation is said to be so widespread among both married and unmarried Muslim females throughout Africa and the East that "it is commonly regarded by the menfolk as customary and matter-of-fact" (A. Edwards & R. E. L. Masters, "The Cradle of Erotica"). "Rubbing" or "pounding" is considered a natural manifestation of feminine nature - for "women's passion is ten times greater than man's." In this spirit it has been suggested
[abu_zeqqzeqq] http://www.world-sex-records.com/sex-040.htm
[bc] hehe
[abu_zeqqzeqq] I feel abused and left out.
[abu_zeqqzeqq] nobody cares enough to parody me.
[bc] wow, and actual troll on listed on trolltalk, only after I've read 200 posts
[bc] 200 posts bashing perdida, adequacy, and everyone in here (but dmg)
[bc] dmg: I never used to get bashed, then I banned trollaxor from here and put him on ignore
[momocrome] I get no love neither
[bc] so that's what's prolly sparked off the names and shite
[abu_zeqqzeqq] I actually like trollaxor's stuff.
[abu_zeqqzeqq] especially the LGC
[abu_zeqqzeqq] momocrome: its just not fair.
[bc] SIR!!! (Score:0)
[bc] by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13, @11:12AM (#4660016)
[bc] I apologize for revealing your personal information. I try very hard, I truly do, but sometimes my overzealous urges take the better of me. Jesus will not be pleased. I have much contemplating to do regarding Christ and sitting in front of Slashdot all day being a prick.
[bc] SIR, I AM SARRY!!!
[bc] Have a nice day,
[bc] Craig McPherson
[bc] LOL
[abu_zeqqzeqq] tee hee
* bc decides to post a comment
[abu_zeqqzeqq] Did you see my repsonse ?
[abu_zeqqzeqq] about the 10" cocks ?
[bc] I guessed that was you! it was fun
[abu_zeqqzeqq] We need to post a load of ludicrous links to people with the same names.
* bc writes post designed to provoke craig
[bc] Is this a good idea? prolly not, but I don't care
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[abu_zeqqzeqq] hey First Incision
[First_Incision] hello
[First_Incision] who be ye?
[abu_zeqqzeqq] i am dmg
[First_Incision] ok
[abu_zeqqzeqq] abu zeqqzeqq is an Islamic name
[abu_zeqqzeqq] meaning "the father of thrusters"
[First_Incision] haha
[bc] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=468
[bc] hehe
[bc] god I suck
[bc] hey FI
[First_Incision] I will not discout the possibility that you suck.
[bc] A wise move FI
[abu_zeqqzeqq] bc: if craig is as fucked up as he seemse
[abu_zeqqzeqq] that will push him to new extremes...
[bc] hehee
[bc] I like the idea of adding together his fetish for stone women, and his religomania
[momocrome] heh
[First_Incision] I never understood the stone women thing. Is osm still perving around somewhere?
[momocrome] http://www.clusterlizard.org
[momocrome] osm's site ^^
[bc] yes, though who knows what he's up to
[abu_zeqqzeqq] bc: change your nick to "Abu'l Hayjeh "
[momocrome] he has a bunch of uninspired match.com pseudo-trolls
[momocrome] picking on hapless, lonely women
[First_Incision] clusterlizard, that sounds familiar for some reason. Is that from that "lexx show"?
[momocrome] yes
[momocrome] he has a thing for the first female lead
[abu_zeqqzeqq] http://www.world-sex-records.com/sex-105.htm
[momocrome] it is one of the sections
[abu_zeqqzeqq] Abu'l Hayjeh who deflowered eighty virgins in a single night,
[shoeboy] I shouldn't follow your links, bc
[shoeboy] Click the really excited choir boy!
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[bc] hehe shoeboy
[county] hey folks
[abu_zeqqzeqq] hey county
*** bc is now known as Abu
*** Abu is now known as Abul_Hayjeh
*** Abul_Hayjeh is now known as Abu`l_Hayjeh
[Abu`l_Hayjeh] that works
[Abu`l_Hayjeh] hi county!
[county] fuckin muslim
[Abu`l_Hayjeh] ]:(
[county] what
[Abu`l_Hayjeh] I did deflower 80 virgins in a single night, county
[Abu`l_Hayjeh] I am due some respect
[abu_zeqqzeqq] fuck off, infidel
[abu_zeqqzeqq] I am the "father of thrusters"
[county] i bet
[abu_zeqqzeqq] #adequacy is teh Islamic IRC channel
[abu_zeqqzeqq] no INFIDELS ALLOWED
[abu_zeqqzeqq] pick an islamic name, or piss off.
[county] well its luky that im a muslim tehn
*** shoeboy is now known as Mohammed_Iqbal
[county] then
[Mohammed_Iqbal] I went to middle school with a Mohammed Iqbal
[Mohammed_Iqbal] don't think he set any sex records
[Mohammed_Iqbal] but then again, I didn't ask
[Abu`l_Hayjeh] hehe
*** Abu`l_Hayjeh is now known as badmash
[abu_zeqqzeqq] Mohammed Iqbal is one of the best URDU poets
*** First_Incision is now known as Abdullah
[abu_zeqqzeqq] but it probably wasn't the same guy you were at school with.
*** Abdullah is now known as Abdullah_Camel
*** county is now known as ivan
*** Abdullah_Camel is now known as First_Incision
[abu_zeqqzeqq] Al-Quaida, Infidels, Zionist, Dirty Bomb, Great Satan etc etc etc
[abu_zeqqzeqq] Did you know that Saddam Hussain's favorite sweets are "quality street" ?
[ivan] i wouldve marked him as an m&m man
[abu_zeqqzeqq] http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_672471.html?
[abu_zeqqzeqq] there you go.
[abu_zeqqzeqq] !Tariq Aziz puts HP Sauce on every dinner!
[ivan] are muslims allowed to have sex?
[abu_zeqqzeqq] "After returning from a meeting with Saddam last month Labour MP George Galloway revealed the dictator offered him Quality Street chocolates and spoke of his admiration for British buses."
[abu_zeqqzeqq] Saddam has obviously never been on a British bus in his life...
[abu_zeqqzeqq] http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_709336.html?
[abu_zeqqzeqq] "Oral sex is not adultery"
[ivan] ive noticed that here in seatlte an awful lot of carsw ant to get hit by a bus
[ivan] theyre utterly stupid around them
[abu_zeqqzeqq] http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_700505.html?
[abu_zeqqzeqq] "
[abu_zeqqzeqq] Some male lawmakers are demanding rights to sex be guaranteed in the domestic violence legislation.
[abu_zeqqzeqq] "
[abu_zeqqzeqq] The Minister claimed that some people turned into gays and lesbians because they did not get enough heterosexual sex.
[abu_zeqqzeqq] "It is all because of sexual denial. As a biology teacher, I know how the body functions," he added
*** cyn-away is now known as cyndrekit
[ivan] That's brilliant. Men beat their wives because they refuse sex, so make giving sex required by law!
[badmash] genius indeed
[ivan] What about those of us who can't manage to get married?
[ivan] Aren't we entitled to sex?
[ivan] I should hope so.
[abu_zeqqzeqq] that would be sinful
[abu_zeqqzeqq] and against Allah (SWT)
[ivan] Well, in an abstract sense I would hope so.
[abu_zeqqzeqq] The penalty is stoning to death.
[ivan] I'm terribly afraid of sex, so I don't think it would matter if I were legally entitled to it.
[abu_zeqqzeqq] I suggest you substitute your sexual urges with the urge to pray...
[abu_zeqqzeqq] until you are married.
[ivan] Substitute the urges... How obvious!
*** badmash is now known as bc
[ivan] "Man, do I ever want some sex." "No. You want to pray instead." "Oh, OK."
[ivan] I think one of the secrets of Islam's success must be its keen grasp of psychology.
[abu_zeqqzeqq] Islam rules.
[ivan] No, kidding. Go Islam!
[ivan] woohoo
[abu_zeqqzeqq] you can deny it all you like, but it is the only religion truly in touch with human nature
[bc] county: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=467
[ivan] Ignore the superfluous comma.
[bc] does that seem accurate to you?
[ivan] All of them =)
[ivan] thx
*** First_Incision is now known as fi-away
[ivan] I can't say, bc. I didn't read it.
[ivan] Should I?
[bc] Yes, you should
[ivan] Haha!
[abu_zeqqzeqq] http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_686841.html?
[ivan] It almost looks real.
[ivan] The one problem is that shoeboy is LOLing too much and Vladinator isn't doing it enough.
[bc] I'm kind of insulted. It represents me as a pathetic drunk with delusional fantasies that I'm liked by females, and that seems entirely untrue
[abu_zeqqzeqq] gratuituous kylie pictures. Proof Allah(SWT) and Mohammed (PBUH) are REAL
[ivan] It does seem entirely untrue that you're liked by females.
[abu_zeqqzeqq] bc at least you are worthy of parody
[bc] hehe
[abu_zeqqzeqq] some of us are become stalinesque non-persons.
[abu_zeqqzeqq] airbrushed out of trolling history
[ivan] abu and I didn't even get noticed
[bc] craig&osm&trollaxor prolly still like you, dmg
[ivan] "Where's the part where Barry Corrington slags on Jin Wicked for half an hour then kisses her ass when she logs in?
[ivan] "
[ivan] Has Jin ever been in here?
[bc] not afaik
*** abu_zeqqzeqq is now known as Abu_Zeqqzeqq
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] bc: don't lie
[bc] ?
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] "she" is here right now
[cyndrekit] oh my god this is hallarious
[bc] is she?!?
[ivan] Abu is Jin Wicked!
[ivan] I knew it.
[ivan] I always told you guys, but you wouldn't listen.
[bc] Abu has a UKian IP address
[bc] has Jin moved to UKia?
[ivan] Yeah, for better or worse, Jin is a real person.
[ivan] And she's not here.
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] Jin is BC
[bc] I didn't see you there Jin. I just wanted you to know, I love your site
[ivan] She is one of those girls you've attracted, though, bc.
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] everyone knows that
[ivan] Everyone is wrong.
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] jin, stop playing around and attention seeking.
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] you are fooling noone
[ivan] Right, everyone is fooling themself.
[bc]
[ivan] bc isn't Jin.
[ivan] bc isn't luisa, either.
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] yeah, like I am going to believe a troll on #adequacy
[ivan] It's easy to spot bc's real alternate identities, because they're all exactly the same.
[ivan] UE talked exactly like LAT, who talked exactly like KTB, who talked exactly like HW.
[ivan] HW, with a Scottish accent!
[ivan] Well, that was quite the sight.
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_691682.html?
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] The apartment where suicide pilot Mohammad Atta lived and plotted the September 11 attacks is to be turned into an "art happening
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] what about Paget-Paget ?
[ivan] Forgot about that one.
[bc] they were all subtly different
[bc] I can't help it if you have no reading skills
[ivan] HW constantly saying "realise" was the best.
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[bc] eh?
[ivan] Howdy, Lumpen.
[Lumpen] Hasn't the joke gone on long enough?
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] what joke ?
[ivan] Likely. Which joke, though?
[bc] what joke?
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] *BSD is dying ?
[Lumpen] The blank page
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] what blank page ?
*** cyndrekit is now known as cyn-away
[Lumpen] http://www.adequacy.org
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] thats not blank
[Lumpen] Looks blank to me.
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] it is actually RGB value #D7D7D7
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] which is patented by adequacy.org
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] and if you wait long enough
[Lumpen] Yeah, yeah.
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] you will see some content
[bc] no dmg, it is more
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] I assure you
[Lumpen] So how long do I have to wait?
[bc] the grey colour varies between values #D6D6D6 and #D8D8D8
[bc] encoding a binary string of information
[ivan] Nerd talk alert.
[Lumpen] I think two months is long enough pretending you're gone.
[bc] that holds the entire adequacy site, accessible to the chosen few
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] who is pretending ?
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] keeping a quality site like adequacy going was never easy
[Lumpen] Ha, ha, ha.
[Lumpen] Very funny.
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] adequacy is dead. Fact.
[ivan] Well, unfortunately, Lumpen, the Adequacy editors were so damn lazy that even between the forty or fifty of them, they couldn't produce one article a week.
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] dead as BSD
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] ivan: I no longer work for free.
[ivan] Yeah, but do you work it for free?
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] what ? speak English.
[momocrome] Towards More Powerful Porn: Psychology, CGI and Gradients of Stimulation
[momocrome] sound like a compelling article?
[momocrome] great!
[Lumpen] So Adequacy is just an irc channel now?
[ivan] Is it completed?
[momocrome] no
[momocrome] I just thought of it
[ivan] This channel shouldn't even be called #adequacy, really.
[momocrome] maybe I can use the QPT Editorial Service
[ivan] Mostly it's just bitching at, about, and by women.
[Lumpen] Because it isn't?
*** fi-away is now known as First_Incision
[First_Incision] I think adequacy is a great name for this channel
[First_Incision] Since it is now mostly about people contemplating their (in)adequacies
[ivan] Yeah, "people."
[ivan] Why don't you just say "ivan." We all knew what you meant, anyway.
Scott Lockwood whines just to hear himself.
"You know, I'd stay retired if these fools would just find another target."
We did. We had an agreement. We moved on to other things. Scott Lockwood didn't. Scott Lockwood couldn't STAND being left alone. He can't live without negative attention, and he's willing to do whatever it takes to atract it. He had, and still does, have the chance to be left alone FOREVAR, just by shutting the hell up. We gave him once chance, and he flat-out lied to us. We left him alone, and he couldn't stand it, so he started spamming himself all over the Internet and goading us to pay attention to him again.
We put up with it for quite a while, but the frequency and volume of his attention-seeking continued to increase. Well, if he wants attention, he'll get it.
Scott Lockwood, it's all up to you. You can stop it any time you like. You know that VladeKua5y is doomed. Stop fucking yourself over. You can end it any time, if you have willpower and honest. The problem is that you don't. You have no morality as a person.
Is this Scott Lockwood? No, Scott Lockwood is much wider than that. Is this Scott Lockwood, or is this? There are so many that seem to fit him, I just can't decide.
Oh well. On to the future. There's much to be done, and little time to do it.
[luisa|||] i don't know if i can ever be that weak and female ... So you had no Mr.Buck temptations .. :) .... my tongue feels funny and I like to lick things (people). I need a voice of reason to keep me out of trouble. ... :\/ 674/65#65 ;)3 .net) has joined #adequacy ... firefighters, police, nurses, teachers ;)t ml :-) :-) :-) lol ;P
[luisa|||] i.e. find a guy worth that loss
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[county] Why is it weak to confess your feelings to the one you feel for?
[luisa|||] because then they've got you in the knees
[luisa|||] why should i always be the one who cares the most?
[luisa|||] and on top of that, have to cop to it?
[Linux] hey grewat, big cop bust outside
[county] Because, luisa, somebody has to, and if it's them, you'll reject them.
[county] I'm not seeing many other options. How about you?
[Linux] shouting and threatening tones
[Linux] I am going to go walk the dogs past the bust while drunk
[county] What bust?
[Linux] dunno
[Linux] they are shouting at drunks, I think
[county] Who?
[Linux] maybe there will be death
[Linux] cops
[Linux] many of them
[Linux] 8 cars at least
[luisa|||] eek
[Linux] maybe I'll get shot
[county] There are 8 cop-cars full of cops shouting at drunks?
[Linux] yes
[Linux] two drunks by the sound of things
[luisa|||] county, if i find a guy i consider my equal
[luisa|||] it would all work out
[Linux] they are right past the corner of my building
[luisa|||] wait
[luisa|||] eight cops, two drunks?
[luisa|||] that is Not Right.
[Linux] i think so
* luisa||| waits for a cool song to come on
[county] You've never met a guy who you consider your equal?
[Linux] luisa|||, are you actually listening to radio broadcasts of popualr music?
[county] I suppose that makes sense, actually. Most are probably your superior or inferior.
[county] I think it's fairly obvious which side I fall on.
[luisa|||] you could be inferior
[luisa|||] but you probably know lots of things i don't
[luisa|||] and you also are more productive in daily life
[county] I am so far beyond you, luisa.
[county] Come on.
[luisa|||] i love cheesy 80s music
[luisa|||] nah, you are just different
[luisa|||] the measure would be if i made you feel weak and helplessly resentful
[luisa|||] that's inferior
[luisa|||] and only assessable face to face
[Linux] luisa|||, you spin me twice 'round, baby.
[county] If you made me feel weak and helplessly resentful? Haha.
[luisa|||] well, anyone who feels like a lesser person probably is
[luisa|||] or at least is not worth bothering with
[em] you guys still going on about this? God.
[county] Only a few people have made me inferior, and none of them were at all like you.
[luisa|||] it is friday night and neither of us are out carousing, em
[luisa|||] whatever did you expect would occur?
[em] neither am I.
[luisa|||] but you are at uni
[county] em, have you been drinking?
[em] well, I went to a chamber chorale concert.
[em] county: not a drop
[em] maybe I should.
[county] Probably. It makes you more tolerant.
[luisa|||] anyhow, county, it is all moot
[luisa|||] i am not going to bed with you
[luisa|||] so the question of whether you are inferior or not will never come up
[county] I'm not going to bed with you. What of it?
[county] Anyway, it has come up, and it's been settled. I'm superior.
[luisa|||] if you feel that you are
[luisa|||] i do rather want to go to bed
[luisa|||] but i just finished supper
* em wonders if he has anything edible in the fridge.
[luisa|||] i have lovely soup i made from random ingredients
[Linux] katsup is a vegetable
[luisa|||] only for bachelors
[luisa|||] lord, it is four am rising
[county] It's "catsup" or "ketchup."
[luisa|||] okbed
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[Linux] night, wheesie
[Linux] I am really nothing like a viking, btw
[county] Oh, I'm sure.
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[Marco`] Hi
[Marco`] Anyone alive?
* Marco` 's off
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[me0w] g'morning
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[bc] hello
[me0w] Hi bc
[bc] hellow me0wsy
* bc was just in the pub
[bc] and you know what?
[me0w] What?
[bc] a woman in her late forties started coming onto me something dreadful
[bc] unlike some, I wasn't in the least tempted
[me0w] Ahhh
[bc] certainly not
[me0w] Well done!
[bc] it's not a great achievement, I think these things are in your nature.
[bc] Either you adore OAP's, or you don't.
[bc] cool
[bc] scotland beat south africa at the rugby!
[me0w] I think though, in Mr. Buck's case, he may have been wearing some good quality Beer Goggles.
[bc] that's a point. Still, I did have 3 pints, I wasn't entirely sober, but probably not as many Mr Buck. I think alcohol just decreases your reserve, it doesn't make you suddenly find things attractive you don't while sober
[bc] I mean, if you wake up after a night out with a member of your own sex (for example), it prolly says something
* bc has some prawns
[me0w] This is why everyone needs a voice of reason when drinking. I take mine along whenever I am going to be consuming cast quantities of alcohol (the voice of reason is also known as the designated driver).
[bc] hehe
[me0w] cast = vast
[bc] strange, I don't have problems. In fact, I reject much more impressively and fullsomely when drunk than when sober. I don't need no stinkin' voice of reason!
[me0w] When I am intoxicated I run across a problem
[bc] haha! I remember you mentioning this before. That's an awful affliction, though prolly pretty amusing
[me0w] And apparently I become quite the mischevious girl and for this I also need the voice.
[bc] to stop you mixing it up too much? Playing tricks and pranks
[me0w] And the licking
[bc] this makes you sound like quite the handful when pissed
[me0w] A giggly handful, yes.
[me0w] That's why I need a voice of reason.
[bc] I don't think I'm too bad when drunk. In fact, I'm often the voice of reason for other people, despite that we have all drunk hideous amounts. I'm just the same as usual, but more exhuberantly, I suppose. I think I have a good head for booze by nature, that's prolly why
[bc] mm that was tasty
[bc] post-prandial smoke time
[me0w] enjoy
* bc wonders whether to watch "contact" on dvd, which he has, but hasn't watched, though he read the book years ago
[bc] which I liked, I liked the way it was all about revelation, and its validity
[bc] the woman in it was sort of like a hardcore kurobot at first, you know, utterly logical positivist and materialist and dismissive of anything that can't be proved utterly, of revelation, till it all comes back and bites her when she has her own revelatory experience
[me0w] I don't think I have ever seen this film.
[bc] it's supposed to be decent.
[bc] I think a lot of people hated it, and another lot of people loved it
[me0w] I will have to add it to my must see list of films.
[bc] it's a sort of SF thing, in a way, and I think a lot of the people who disliked it were expecting some usual guns'n'aliens shite
[me0w] I normally don't watch 'alien' movies.
[bc] it's not really like that. The book wasn't at least. It's set present day
[bc] they discover an alien signal
[bc] this woman does
[bc] and there's lots of politics and argument about it
[bc] and she is hardcore rationalist and dismissive of the religious people
[bc] but in the end, she ends up having an experience that everybody doubts she had, a revelation..
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[bc] hey ct
[me0w] Good Afternoon Captain
[bc] el capitano
[Captain_Tenille] Ahoy
[Captain_Tenille] What goes on in these parts?
* Captain_Tenille finally got some sleep last night
[bc] You are admirably offensive; you have won. I am offended, many times over. Now please, leave me the fuck alone. --infinitera
[Captain_Tenille] ?
[bc] I am not admirably offensive
* Captain_Tenille wades through the k5rap
[me0w] There was nothing interesting on K5 this morning
[Captain_Tenille] Nope. Doesn't look like it.
[Captain_Tenille] Yawn
[Captain_Tenille] All right, time to make breakfast, I think
[Captain_Tenille] I may be on later.
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[me0w] they leave so quickly
[bc] yes
[me0w] I made coffee, but now I find I'm too lazy to go and pour it.
[bc] Catch 22 then
[bc] you need some caffeine to rouse you to pour it
[me0w] I need to hire someone to make it for me.
[me0w] But this person must agree to be paid in post-it notes as I have no funds.
[me0w] My new site format seems to be coming along. I might actually like it.
[bc] hehe
* bc is writing a ranty comment
[me0w] Will it be exciting?
[bc] maybe if you like seeing infinitera being attacked, otherwise it's prolly not your thing
[bc] it will be 0ed though, as usual, by him
[bc] but shant be in the hidden wueue for long
[me0w] I will give it a 5 if it is exciting
[bc] yay
[bc] http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2002/11/15/17928
[bc] there you go me0w
[me0w] I am giving you a 5 for the number of words you used
[bc] woohoo!
[bc] I quite often start typing, and type and type and type in fury
[bc] and I don't really attack him personally till towards the end
[bc] infinitera is a twat
[me0w] Well, I think the "I think you a cunt" might be a bit insulting
[bc] it's possible
[me0w] For some anyway
[me0w] I might take that as a compliment.
[bc] I'd just laugh and respond in kind
[bc] I don't understand the people who get so worked up about lack of civility on the internet
[bc] it's all just a laugh
[me0w] It is all for my amusement
[bc] when ubu and I met, we were calling each other cunts immediately, and being dreadfully insulting. We knew instantly we liked the other
[me0w] That is when you know it is true love.
[bc] indeed. I don't love ubu like a brother, I love him like the homosexual partner I never had
[me0w] I should send flowers to celebrate your relationship.
[bc] that would be very nice of you. The anniversary is very soon, actually
[me0w] Brilliant!
*** gurl (~happy@dialup-64.152.253.58.Dial1.Houston1.Level
[bc] hi, gurrrrl
[gurl] hullo, you
[me0w] Hello
[gurl] christ i overslept
[bc] what time is it where you are? 11:30?
[gurl] twelve thirty
[bc] damn firemen
[bc] striking bastards, is what they are
[bc] there was a housefire here, the soldiers had to break the picketlines, and 6 people were injured due to smoke inhallation. The firemen deliberately tried to stop the aid going out to the fire
[me0w] That isn't good.
[me0w] I can understand the strike, but preventing aid is not ethical.
[bc] the fire service should be shut down and replaced with a nice big charity
[bc] they get £21,000 as a starting wage, the firemen, which is well above the national average wage, After a few years, it rises considerably further, and they have already been offered an 11% raise and rejected it - they are going for 30% (!)
[bc] for what? 99% of the time they are sitting about playing cards
[me0w] 21,000 is far too little
[bc] the fire service should be like the RNLI
[bc] me0w, that's a starting wage for a newly qualified fireman
[bc] the national average wage for everyone is £17,000
[bc] this isn't a rich country like America, with its closer embrace of capitalism, where the national average is more like £30,000
[me0w] I guess I just know people who make more than that.
[me0w] I still think 21,000 is rather low
[bc] £21,000 is perfectly decent as a starting wage
[bc] nurses get £14,000, soldiers £16000, as starting wages
[bc] policemen £17,000
[me0w] Nurses should get more, as well as police men
[me0w] The train people should get less.
[bc] well, ideally I'm sure everybody would be getting £1,000,000 annually, but I'm not willing to see the government take more than half my earnings away to give to these people. If they don't want to work for those wages, they can switch to the private sector.
[bc] and yes, the train sods especially suck
[bc] they went on strike at glasgow underground forcing me to walk 6 miles through highly dodgy parts of glasgow in the rain
[me0w] I think that there are certain professions that should be paid more
[bc] I think it is fine, as long as the money isn't stolen by threat of violence off others to do so.
[gurl] er, no.
[bc] a free market would sort them out, it is only ever public sector workers that strike anyway.
[gurl] nothing teachers do warrants more money
[bc] they'd pay fairly
[gurl] nurses get paid very well for their hours and labour
[me0w] nurses are underpaid
[gurl] at least, if the flooded nursing schools are any indication
[bc] also, funnily enough teachers in scotland just got a 25% increase a couple of years ago. There is now a big "brain drain" of the best teachers from england to scotland. heh!
[me0w] Which is why there are a shortage - they go places where they will be better paid
[gurl] yes, and that is the hospital down the road
[gurl] it is a highly paid but stressful job
[gurl] not everyone can hack it
[gurl] thus, the shortage
[bc] here, all the best doctors and nurses go to America
[bc] where they get paid decently
[me0w] A large number of nursing students in Canada go to the US, and the Middle East - they are usually paid more than double what they make here
[bc] we in turn import from India and scandinavia
[gurl] haha
[gurl] but scanadinavia is supposed to be the perfect country!
[gurl] all socialist paradise and whatnot
[gurl] well, the countries in that region
[bc] not judging by the delectable nurses at my local hospital, loads of whom are danish, norwegian, swedish
[gurl] well, being raised socialist apparently doesn't kill the desire to earn a fair wage for services and all that
[bc] norwegian especially, but I think that is because lots of norwegians come to scotland anyway, cos it is quite close
[gurl] lord, i don't want to go bed shopping
[bc] it certainly doesn't, gurl
[bc] shopping in bed, or shopping for a bed?
[gurl] for a bed
[bc] get one that doesn't creak or have annoying springs
[bc] the best bed I ever had was one that was a platform of wood planks, with a really thin mattress on top
[bc] that thing was great
[bc] prolly quite cheap, too
[gurl] i just want a futon
[bc] never tried one of those, are they good?
[me0w] Get a sturdy futon
[me0w] Over time the frame can bend
[gurl] i was thinking a metal one
[me0w] You'll want a thick mattress on it (if they give that option)
[bc] cool
* bc watches Only Fools and Horses
[gurl] actually, i will go tomorrow since i cannot carry the sodding thing home with me
[bc] hehe
[gurl] i think i'll just take the bed frame from my old bed
[gurl] and buy a new mattress
[bc] heh. Sounds good
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[gurl] it's a gorgeous day
[gurl] but utterly cold and crystal clear out
[bc] I love that
[bc] cold and clear
[bc] and sunny
[bc] perfect weather as far as I'm concerned
[bc] gurl, how did it go with that chap?
[gurl] he friend zoned me
[bc] ah hah
[bc] I did that to a girl week last week after a date. It's surprisingly hard. Requires delicacy
[gurl] so i have a perfectly nice male friend
[bc] well that's something at least
[bc] I have a nice big fillet steak and some English mustard
[gurl] i have a hearty beef stew
[bc] oh splendid
[gurl] haha
[gurl] i am reading about the french foreign legion
[bc] oh yes. That's France's only *professional* section of the army eh?
[bc] I know someone who served in it for 21 years
[gurl] it is terribly intensive
[bc] yes
[bc] long marching through the desert and stuff
[gurl] and no girls allowed!
[bc] http://britishsas.8m.com/training.html
[bc] ^I think that is about the globally hardest training&selection for any regiment
[bc] they are insane
[bc] as part of it, they have the applicant (after a week of insane marching and activity) look after a pet rabbit in the mountains for a while. he is completely alone, and must forage for his own food and protect the rabbit for ages. Then, he recieves an order to kill and eat the rabbit
[bc] quite sadistic
[gurl] haha
[gurl] there's a kill house?!
[bc] they are special forces
[bc] anti-terrorist stuff is one of their duties
[bc] storming embassies, say, like when they stormed the Iranian embassy and freed all the hostages in London in the 80's
[bc] they were the first special forces unit in the world, created during WWII
[gurl] lordy
[bc] Delta Force in the US was founded in the 70's by an American officer who lobbied for it after seeing the SAS and serving in an exchange program in the UK army
[bc] but they aren't as good. They have a slightly different ethos. Delta Force peeps tend to be really big and brawny, and their modus operandi is to be flown in on a big helicopter and shoot everything up before being flown away again
[bc] the SAS are different, in that they believe in more traditional marching and approaching the target on foot. They tend to get dropped far away, sneak about hundreds of miles, attack, and sneak away. And they operate in teams of 8 generally
[bc] http://home.hccnet.nl/22.sas/Operation%20Nimrod.h
[bc] ^that was mad
[bc] I remember watching it on tv
[gurl] so the sas do it properlike
[gurl] well, more like people think such things work
[bc] of course! ie, no hostage deaths, all terrorists dead, seemingly miraculously
[bc] it's sort of amazing
[bc] another famous one was the scud stuff during the gulf war
[bc] one of their missions went wrong, they were given wrong maps
[bc] and they were euipped for desert conditions, but it was frequently -20C and snowing etc
[bc] and they got discovered and stormed by two lorry loads of iraqi tropps, tanks, etc, from a local base
[bc] so the 8 of them killed ALL of them, then walked 100km overnight carrying 80lb bergens in freezing conditions
[bc] they are sort of insane those people. Not qute normal, but very good at what they do (wholesale, efficient slaughter)
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[gurl] damn
[bc] and also, cos it is UK army, it is not just UKians, they select from many countries in the commonwealth
[gurl] reminds me of stephen king's gunslinger
[bc] so canadians and australians and NZers and Nepalians can see the SAS as the peak of their career, if they are good enough to make it through selection
[Captain_Tenille] SAS?
[bc] yes
[gurl] british special forces
[Captain_Tenille] Aha
* Captain_Tenille always thought MI5 and MI6 were cool acronyms
[bc] hehe
[Captain_Tenille] Although for the longest time I thought it was M16
[Captain_Tenille] Which seemed odd
[bc] ct, during WWI it went from MI1 all the way to MI20
[bc] also, MI5 & MI6 didn't officially exist until very recently
[Captain_Tenille] I was just about to ask what happened to MI1-4
[gurl] heh
[bc] having no constitutional checks, the government is free to deny they exist at all
[gurl] haha
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[gurl] oh look@
[gurl] er, nevermind
[Captain_Tenille] The US gov denied the existence of the NSA forever.
[bc] same as SAS, which didn't officially exist till the 90's,, and is still v.secret
[Captain_Tenille] I don't think they officially acknowledge the Delta Force
[bc] the SAS are fun because they are the first special forces group, and most other western country's special forces groups were founded, usually much later, on that model, often by officers who saw the SAS in exchange programmes and thought it a jolly good idea
[bc] Delta Force being a case in point, in the 70's. Same with Germany's, france's. Greece's, Israel's, etc etc
[bc] but SAS are teh best!
[gurl] it is impressive what humans can be taught to do
[Captain_Tenille] Is SAS just Green Beret style special forces, or does it include PSYOPS and Civil Affairs type stuff
[Captain_Tenille] ?
[bc] that's the other thing with the SAS, the complete lack of traditional army discipline, which was very new
[bc] ct: it is mostly military and anti-terrorist
[bc] there is another group that specialises in civil intelligence
[bc] that sometimes work with the SAS, but the SAS are purely a military machine
[Captain_Tenille] Civil Affairs handles the military's relations with the governments of the countries they're in.
[Captain_Tenille] Should said government fall, they set up a caretaker government in it's place.
* Captain_Tenille 's dad did that for a long time
[bc] coo
[gurl] bc, my sibling is all rotting in the county jail
[bc] haha
[bc] what'd he do?
[gurl] his warrant caught up to him
[bc] damn
[gurl] he owes about 400£ in fines
[Captain_Tenille] I just found out yesterday, actually, what my dad did after he worked as a codebreaker during the Vietnam War.
[county] bc, you've millions, get gurl's brother out of the clink.
[bc] he deserves it, county
[bc] Contributing to the skill of the SAS is the Operations Research Unit which develops unique equipment for use by the SP team.
[county] That's beside the point. She'll be indebted to you.
[bc] ^^hehe, that's like "m" in james bond
[gurl] bc, he found a job
[gurl] and now he will lose it
[gurl] because of extended absence
[bc] damn it
[bc] what's he fined for?
[Captain_Tenille] Aren't you guys going to ask what my dad did?
[bc] isn't that classified, ct?
[Captain_Tenille] He didn't tell me much.
[gurl] speeding ticket, i think
[Captain_Tenille] Just enough to make me boggle.
[Captain_Tenille] zuul, he?
[zuul] he is not
[bc] but he was army, eh? mad
[Captain_Tenille] Wouldn't tell me what he did
[gurl] then why build us up so cruelly]?
[Captain_Tenille] NSA. That's all we would say.
[Captain_Tenille] er, he
[county] Come on, bc, give her brother a chance.
[county] He's trying to turn is life around!
[county] He's in jail because of ancient history.
[bc] you're right county. I will bail him right away.
[county] Good man.
[county] I'm sure gurl will be very grateful.
[gurl] some woman is presently trying to adopt me
[county] But you're too old for that.
[bc] is she older, and with grown up children who have flown the nest?
[gurl] yeah, pretty much
[gurl] except her grown kids are still in the nest
[county] And she wants more.
[gurl] she thinks i'm a unique snowflake
[gurl] and wants to feed and clothe me and all that
[bc] weird, gurl
[gurl] aye
[bc] weird weird weird
[gurl] and the annoying guy at work who kept trying to pay me to go out with him
[county] So are you going to take her up on it?
[gurl] he got in a horrible car wreck and was fired
[gurl] she is rather like mother
[gurl] except less manipulative and deceitful
[county] Did he get fired for getting in the car wreck?
[gurl] not quite
[gurl] he was fired for trying to come back to work
[gurl] with a broken neck
[bc] he offered you money? heh, how desperate
[gurl] well, he is married
[gurl] and also i don't want him
[gurl] but he just couldn't seem to accept that
[bc] "Please come out with me?" - "No." - "I'll give you £500."
[county] That's really harsh.
[bc] it's damned right, gurl
[county] He was so dedicated to his work that he wanted to come in, but he got fired instead!
[bc] I'm proud of you!
[county] Couldn't they just tell him to go home and sleep it off?
[gurl] he got in the accident whilst drunk
[gurl] and it was off duty anyhow
[gurl] so they can easily get him on inability to perform
[gurl] and he could hardly even sit down
[gurl] the doctor hadn't signed a release
[gurl] so however cruel it sounds, they had every reasonable right to fire him
[county] Still, to be unemployed and mangled in these times is difficult. He'll probably end up on the street.
[gurl] no, his wife is utterly devoted and loving
[gurl] and makes piles of money
[gurl] she wanted only to take care of him
[county] He has a devoted wife who makes lots of money, but wants a little on the side too?
[county] That seems risky.
[gurl] but he wanted to go drinking and sleep with other women
[county] I should find a rich, devoted wife.
[county] Having one could be convenient.
[gurl] it was the only thing that saved him
[county] Some guys have all the luck.
[bc] hehe
[gurl] i am sure bc would happily arrange for you to acquire a wealthy wife
[bc] it's true. There's a lucky sod I know who's wife is a civil engineer making tons of cash. All he does is footer about spending her money on computers and crap. They love each other very much and seem very happy. Sickening, it is.
[county] Yeah, I need someone to take care of me!
[county] I'm tired of being responsible.
[bc] BRB, mobile shop
[gurl] have a beer
[gurl] actually, have five or six
[county] What's a mobile shop?
[county] Anyway, that's too many beers.
[gurl] well, however many will intoxicate you
[gurl] women like to help men in that state
[county] Haha!
[county] What nonsense.
[county] Women hate drunks.
[gurl] depends on the drunk boy
[gurl] i find some of them endearing
[bc] damn it's cold
[county] Well, what do you expect? Your house was built before heat was invented
[county] What's a mobile shop, though?
[bc] I am an endearing drunk boy. My cold reserve melts away, revealing a vulnerable and heartbreakingly fascinating character. I find that women are much more interested in me when drunk, than when sober.
[county] uh huh
[bc] county, a shop on wheels that drives around selling things. It parks outside my front door
[county] What sort of things?
[bc] in this instance, I got dunhills and Irn Bru, and a bottle of Gin
[county] So you've gone back to the bottle.
[county] tsk tsk.
[bc] all sorts, county. There are many of them, in fact. Soem are mobile butchers, others mobile grocers and fishmongers. This one sells everyday necessities
[county] Like I said, though, some guys have all the luck. When sober, I'm undesirable. When intoxicated, I'm undesirable in a different way.
[county] Everyday necessities like dunhills, Irn Bru, and gin.
[bc] Yup.
[county] dunhills sound like cigarettes. What's Irn Bru?
[bc] they sell what's sold most in the local community
[bc] county: http://www.bevnet.com/reviews/irn-bru/index.asp
[gurl] what's a good poll topick before i hotfoot it elsewhere?
[bc] poll? hmmn
[county] I don't think I've ever seen any of that, bc.
[bc] favourite spirit?
[gurl] irn bru is only in scotland
[county] That would be all you can think of.
[bc] county, well, it is actually illegal in the US, the FDA won't allow it to be sold there
[bc] so it isn't surprising
[county] gurl, "Favorite condiment to lick off nipples?"
[bc] it contains too much iron, or something
[county] Be sure to include horseradish as an option.
[wsl3] county: Hot Thai Red Curry
[bc] it's very very popular in russia though
[Captain_Tenille] What on earth is it? And why is it illegal?
[bc] ct, it's just a soft drink. It's illegal cos the FDA don't like it's iron content
[wsl3] What is?
[Captain_Tenille] Ah
[gurl] man, i suppose i am not cut out for daytime drinking
[gurl] my tummy hurts now
[wsl3] gurl: Have some nice cock. That should solve the problem, but only if you get all the way down and get the protien suprise at the end.
[gurl] i don't see how
[gurl] protein makes my tummy hurt
[wsl3] They'll cancel each other out.
[gurl] i somehow doubt this.
[gurl] i love my diary.
[wsl3] Nah, I can show you if you want!
[county] Give up, wsl3. The fact is, you can only score with fatties.
[wsl3] give it up county, the fact is, I don't care what you think.
[county] That doesn't make any sense, idiot. I wasn't trying to influence your opinion.
[bc] I love your diary too, gurl =)))
[gurl] hehe
[wsl3] county: Uh huh.
[gurl] there is nothing wrong with fatties, if they have attractive features
[gurl] and don't look like useless lumps of crap
[wsl3] Bingo!
* wsl3 is a FFA
[gurl] fatty fucker anonymous?
[wsl3] LOL
[wsl3] FFA == Fullfigured Female Admirer
[gurl] oh god
[county] Vlad's fatties look like useless lumps of crap, gurl.
[gurl] i HATE those
[wsl3] county is a useless lump of crap
[county] These women aren't fat, gurl, they're disgustingly hyper-obese.
[wsl3] gurl - hate what? Voluptous women?
[county] 300lbs.
[gurl] a girl can be voluptuous without being heavy
[bc] FFA give BBWs TLC and have a GSOH
[county] A three hundred pound woman isn't voluptuous.
[county] She's hyper-obese.
[wsl3] county: I know lots of attractive 300lb women.
[gurl] no, that's a porker
[gurl] i don't know any.
[county] You don't know any!
[county] You're delusional.
[wsl3] Depends - what if she's like 6' tall?
[gurl] and i know some decent looking big girls
[gurl] then she shouldn't exceed 250
[wsl3] gurl: Top size?
[gurl] and that only if she is super muscular
[wsl3] gurl: Nah - I've seen women as high as 400lbs that I'd do.
[gurl] well, men are less picky about that
[county] I'm not.
[county] I'm not interested in girls much over 150.
[gurl] well, that leaves the taller ones out
[gurl] unless they are very slim
[Captain_Tenille] Tall girls are overrated
[wsl3] gurl: That depends - in general I don't find a woman attractive under 175 or so unless she is stunningly beautiful and has a personallity to match.
[Captain_Tenille] *under* 175?
[gurl] that is a shame for you, wsl3
[county] I don't much like taller girls, gurl.
[wsl3] under, yes.
[gurl] i personally think too many people are heavy
[county] Much beyond 5'6" is too tall, I think.
* Captain_Tenille 's gf is 5'
[wsl3] gurl: I don't find it a shame at all! I have a full, active, loving sex life, thank you very much.
[gurl] but that said, i don't mind heavy people who don't whine about it
[gurl] of course you do
* wsl3 doesn't whine - he has no cheese to go with it.
[gurl] i know lots of plain couples that can't get enough of each other
[Captain_Tenille] Off to get a hair cut.
[Captain_Tenille] Ta ta.
[gurl] which is great for them
[gurl] hasta
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[bc] woohoo
[bc] there's nothing wrong with plain people. Or even ugly people, if they are self confident enough and interesting and especially good natured enough
[gurl] ok, i have to fix someone's cd rom
[bc] happy hacking!
[gurl] well, that is true of anyone
[county] Aye, and there's the rub, bc.
[gurl] there is no hacking involved!
[county] It's easier to become beautiful than it is to become interesting or good natured.
[gurl] it's purely a mechanical issue
[county] If one isn't already.
[bc] you are fixing a technical computer device
[gurl] bof, i am fixing a thingy with serrated wheels
[bc] with what, you say?
[bc] that sounds complicated
[gurl] little wheels with chopped bits
[county] A serrated wheel? Isn't that a gear?
[bc] I'm a man, I don't understand technical things, I just leave it to women
[gurl] yeah, i guess
[gurl] two little gears that aren't spinning the drive out
[county] Well, get that cute little can of yours over there and start fixing things!
[county] Chop chop!
[gurl] i have to finish my beer
[gurl]
[county] bc, what should I do with myself today?
[bc] I think you should go to the pub
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[county] It's kind of dismal out.
[bc] and drink beer, play darts, and watch the match
[cdromgurl] yes, do go, since i cannot
[cdromgurl] wave
[bc] that's why I didn't suggest the park, county
[bc] bye happy hackess!
[county] I don't know where any pubs are. In fact, I think they're illegal in Seattle.
[bc] http://www.nwbrewpage.com/wabpubs/WestSea.html
[bc] go there
[wsl3] lol
[bc] though I must say, the huge billboard sign at the front puts me off
[bc] here, they just have a tiny sign
[bc] I suppose Americans insist on the 25foot billboard treatment
[county] That's really far away.
[bc] get the metro then!
[county] Anyway, going to a pub is way too social.
[bc] you don't need to talk to anyone
[bc] clearly, you aren't very familiar with pubs at all
[bc] they can be profoundly antisocial
[county] Of course I don't, but I feel odd being out by myself.
[county] There isn't any point in going out to be anti-social.
[wsl3] Go nude. That will get some attention.
[county] Shut up.
[wsl3] no
[wsl3] You can forget about that.
[wsl3] If I'm in front of my computer, and I see something I want to respond to, I will - same as you.
[county] Shut up, really.
[wsl3] No.
[wsl3] really.
[bc] blargle
[wsl3] bc: What's new with Kip? Has anyone seen him?
[bc] heis in London, that's all I know
[county] I'm going to go shower.
[county] When I come back, I'm going to have some booze, a pastrami sandwich, and pour at my innermost hopes and dreams.
[county] "out"
[wsl3] ah
[bc] looking forward to it
[wsl3] Well, I'll be quite for that.
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[Sulla] hey momo
WTF!! What is all this Vladinator shit??? A coupla web searches turns up more crud than I can be fucked to read. There's masses of it. I have a feeling that a couple of unemployed script kiddies are simply causing chaos... Whatever it is it is REALLY pissing me off! I'm not sure what to do.... do we ask the editors to kill anonymous posting (bad idea) OR hope that these fuckwits go away... OR.... well... give up.... what a bunch of arseholes....
ANYONE?!! What the hell is going on?
"None of this shit works" -W.Shatner
From: Ceee Peee
To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
Subject: [k22320inchfan] gbd on #trolls
Date sent: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:06:25 -0800 (PST)
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
(This is CP0004)
Right now, "gbd" is on #trolls. His host is
remarkably similar to momocrome's: gbd is
~gbd@adsl-63-200-62-16.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net
(george), whereas momocrome is
~natalie_p@cloaked.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net (MOMOCROME).
Yet, he's able to present compelling evidence that he
is the one who currently holds the "gbd" usernick on
slashdot, who I do consider to be the real gbd in
light of the circumstances surrounding how I gave him
the account. Gbd's address looks like it's from SF,
whereas momocrome's is from LA, so that would suggest
they're not the same. But does anyone else have a
pacbell.net address that we know?
(This is CP0004)
From: cptroll
To: <k22320inchfan@methlab.nothing.org>
Subject: [k22320inchfan] Let's try this one again: gbd et al
Date sent: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:22:12 -0400
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@methlab.nothing.org
(This is CP0030)
cptroll <cptroll@linuxstart.com> wrote:
From ??? Fri Feb 19 09: 25 Date: Thu Oct 26 2
>I've been in touch with gbd via email. (He doesn't want me to share his
>address with anyone, and I'm respecting that.) Apparently, the fellow
>has big plans, but he's aufully vague and evasive about everything, so
>it's hard to say what's what. I do have his physical location nailed
>down to a certain one of the fifty states, and it's an odd one.
>
>I asked him about his scheme of capitalization, and this was the best
>answer I could get from him: "as far as why i capitalize things i do it
>to EMPHASIZE things that should be stressed, i know that you can do this
>with html but i am too lazy, hehe."
>
>Yes, he stays true to his form, even in email. The upshot is, I gave him
>his account, and he's all squared away with that.
>
>What an odd fellow!
(This is CP0030)
From: cptroll
To: <k22320inchfan@methlab.nothing.org>
Subject: Re: [k22320inchfan] Alyssa Milano
Date sent: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:20:14 -0400
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@methlab.nothing.org
(This is CP0020)
She was that kid from Who's the Boss (and a Schwarzenegger flic), right?
Damn, she's aged gracefully. So how'd she get stuck doing 1800COLLECT ads
with Arsenio Hall, while Leonardo Dicaprio moved past Growing Pains and
into great roles like Total Eclipse? It's states like Ohio that do it, I
tell ya. Our nation is without taste.
Marc Stauffer <marc@ksac.com> wrote:
>THe Alyssa Milano E! true holywood story just started for anyone
>interested in her pouting breasts. 7:30 Eastern Standard. rev
(This is CP0020)
Aren't you supposed to be on your honeymoon? GET OFF THE COMPUTER, MAN! :-P
Informatus Technologicus
MAUREEN: I think we need an agent!
MARK: We?
JOANNE: That's selling out.
MARK: But it's nice to dream.
MAUREEN: It's network TV, and it's all thanks to me.
MARK: Somehow I think I smell the whiff of a scheme.
JOANNE: Me too!
MAUREEN: We can plan another protest.
JOANNE: We?!
MAUREEN: This time you can shoot from the start, you'll direct, starring me!
ALL: 5, 4, 3... Open sesame!! Happy new year, Happy new year Happy new...
BENNY: I see that you've beaten me to the punch.
ROGER: How did you know we'd be here?
BENNY: I had a hunch.
MARK: You're not mad?
BENNY: I'm here to end this war. It's a shame you went and destroyed the door
MIMI: Why all the sudden the big about face?
BENNY: The credit is yours; you made a good case.
ROGER: What case?
BENNY: Mimi came to see me and she had much to say.
MIMI: That's not how you put it at all yesterday!
BENNY: I couldn't stop thinking about the whole mess. Mark -- you want to get this on film!
MARK: I guess.
BENNY: I regret the unlucky circumstances of the past seven days.
ROGER: Circumstance? You padlocked our door!
BENNY: And it's with great pleasure on behalf of CyberArts that I hand you this key.
ANGEL: Golf claps.
MARK: I have no juice in my battery!
BENNY: Reshoot!
ROGER: I see -- this is a photo opportunity!
MAUREEN: The benevolent god ushers the poor artists back to their flat. Were you planning on taking down the barbed wire from the lot, too?
ROGER: Anything but that!
BENNY: Clearing the lot was a safety concern; we break ground this month but you can return.
MAUREEN: That's why you're here with people you hate, instead of with Muffy at Muffy's estate
BENNY: I'd honestly rather be with you tonight than in Westport --
ROGER: Spare us old sport, the soundbite.
BENNY: Mimi -- since your ways are so seductive,
MIMI: You came on to me!
BENNY: Persuade him not to be so counterproductive.
ROGER: Liar!
BENNY: Why not tell them what you wore to my place?
MIMI: I was on my way to work!
BENNY: Black leather and lace! My desk was a mess; I think I'm still sore!
MIMI: Cause I kicked him and told him I wasn't his whore!
BENNY: Does your boyfriend know who your last boyfriend was?
ROGER: I'm not her boyfriend; I don't care what she does!
ANGEL: People! Is this any way to start a new year? Have compassion, Benny just lost his cat!
BENNY: My dog -- but I appreciate that.
ANGEL: My cat had a fall and I went through hell.
BENNY: It's like losing a -- how did you know that she fell?
COLLINS: Champagne?
BENNY: Don't mind if I do! To dogs!
ALL: No, Benny -- To you!
ANGEL: Let's make a resolution
MIMI: I'll drink to that.
COLLINS: Let's always stay friends.
JOANNE: Though we may have our disputes,
MAUREEN: This family tree's got deep roots;
MARK: Friendship is thicker than blood.
ROGER: That depends.
MIMI: Depends on trust,
ROGER: Depends on true devotion,
JOANNE: Depends on love,
MARK: Depends on not denying emotion!
ROGER: Perhaps...
ALL: It's gonna be a happy new year.
ROGER: I guess...
ALL: It's gonna be a happy new year.
ROGER: You're right!
ANGEL: It's gonna be a happy new year!
ROGER AND MIMI: I'm sorry.
ROGER: Coming?
MIMI: In a minute -- I'm fine -- go.
THE MAN: Well, well, well. What have we here? It's gonna be a happy new year...
The new year is almost upon us and I thought it might be a nice gift to the faithful
readers of trolltalk to offer this sneak preview of upcoming movies, scheduled to be
released in 2003. Enjoy!
Vladman
The story of a troubled man whose Momma was tormented by prank callers. The phoning
episode leaves young Scott scarred for life and spawns a dark alter ego, "Vladman", who
fights peaceful, quiet internet communities with his grossly obese superpowers and
profound lack of intelligence. This film is a sure-fire hit, starring Roseanne Barr
as "Momma" and Ernest Borgnine in the title role.
Vlad Max
This low budget action film comes from Australia. Food is scarce in a post-war society
and a band of roving maniacs find a treasure-trove of food in the Lockwood family. Vlad
escapes the pack of cannibals and swears revenge. With a blood-red bib and a giant salad
fork, Vlad goes on a feeding rampage! Starring Marlon Brando in the title role.
Jaws IV: The Attack of Vlad
After defeating three shark attacks, the residents of Amity Island are besieged by a new
behemoth from the deep. In this latest installment in the Jaws series, a giant,
man-eating monstrosity rises from the depths to devour entire ships and then pollutes
the shoreline with its massive feces. Who will be brave enough to stand up to this
new threat?
Vlad and Reza's Excellent Adventure
In this comedic masterpiece, our heroes travel through time in a makeshift deep-freezer
to sample culinary delights throughout the ages. But what will Vlad and Reza do once
their mass exceeds the capacity of the freezer?? I won't tell, but you can bet it is
hilarious!
Enter The Whale
An action-packed martial arts movie. You will be amazed at Vlad's special style of
martial arts in this film. It's almost as if the attackers bounce right off of Vlad
before he even moves. One criticism I have of this movie, however, is the makeup.
Throughout the picture, Vlad appears flushed and excessively sweaty.
That's it for now. Stay tuned for a special preview of a new CD where your
favorite rabbis cover some of America's greatest pop hits!
Sounds like that low-friction, win-win side of him coming out. Any bets that his new software geeks are /. Linux fans and he just didn't want to argue with them?
From: Ceee Peee
To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
Subject: [k22320inchfan] Have you ever had one of those days?
Date sent: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 22:46:41 -0800 (PST)
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
(This is CP0036)
I'm sitting here, waiting for my gf to wake up enough
to go finish getting ready for bed and go to sleep.
Does that make any sense to anyone? How come they
don't put this stuff in the manual?
(This is CP0036)
In SOVIET RUSSIA, a beowulf cluster of former Microsoft employees imagines YOU!
Yes, use what will get the job done. People (pro-MS/anti-Linux, anti-MS/pro-MS, repeat for Solaris, Mac, BSD...) get so blinded by their allegence to one type of technology they don't realize or refuse to accept that there might be something better out there for a given use. Sitting on my desk right now I have machines running Win2k, OSX and RedHat 7.1 all of which I use for different tasks. Could I use just one OS for all my tasks? Sure, but I perfer to use what works best in a given situation.
The new year is almost upon us and I thought it might be a nice gift to the faithful
readers of trolltalk to offer this sneak preview of upcoming movies, scheduled to be
released in 2003. Enjoy!
Vladman
The story of a troubled man whose Momma was tormented by prank callers. The phoning
episode leaves young Scott scarred for life and spawns a dark alter ego, "Vladman", who
fights peaceful, quiet internet communities with his grossly obese superpowers and
profound lack of intelligence. This film is a sure-fire hit, starring Roseanne Barr
as "Momma" and Ernest Borgnine in the title role.
Vlad Max
This low budget action film comes from Australia. Food is scarce in a post-war society
and a band of roving maniacs find a treasure-trove of food in the Lockwood family. Vlad
escapes the pack of cannibals and swears revenge. With a blood-red bib and a giant salad
fork, Vlad goes on a feeding rampage! Starring Marlon Brando in the title role.
Jaws IV: The Attack of Vlad
After defeating three shark attacks, the residents of Amity Island are besieged by a new
behemoth from the deep. In this latest installment in the Jaws series, a giant,
man-eating monstrosity rises from the depths to devour entire ships and then pollutes
the shoreline with its massive feces. Who will be brave enough to stand up to this
new threat?
Vlad and Reza's Excellent Adventure
In this comedic masterpiece, our heroes travel through time in a makeshift deep-freezer
to sample culinary delights throughout the ages. But what will Vlad and Reza do once
their mass exceeds the capacity of the freezer?? I won't tell, but you can bet it is
hilarious!
Enter The Whale
An action-packed martial arts movie. You will be amazed at Vlad's special style of
martial arts in this film. It's almost as if the attackers bounce right off of Vlad
before he even moves. One criticism I have of this movie, however, is the makeup.
Throughout the picture, Vlad appears flushed and excessively sweaty.
That's it for now. Stay tuned for a special preview of a new CD where your
favorite rabbis cover some of America's greatest pop hits!
YHBT YHL HAND
gaysexwithdogs to Bill Gates 8 to 1, spread the word, not your seed!
Before you visit the new crapflooder website, www.sporks-r-us.com, there are a few points you should review about the owner and administrator of SRU, Vladinator. Scott (Vladinator's "real life" handle he goes by in public) won't tell you any of the following facts because he's afraid you'll be put off by his sordid, depraved, criminal past and close your browser window before he can log your IP address and password!
It is my duty to you, gentle reader, to make sure all of the relevant knowledge is out in the air before you do something you may regret, like registering an account or posting in a discussion on www.sporks-r-us.com.
PLEASE review the following facts about Vladinator:
( and often posts communications between them to make them appear to be more than one person!!! ):
It's time to add Rusty Foster to "the list" of people who shouldn't be breathing.
Kuro5hin, "the democratic news site", has abandoned all pretenses of Democracy and has gone into full Fascist/Censorship mode.
These are the recent deeds of Kuro5hin.org:
1. Deleting numerous comments entirely, circumventing the site's established ratings procedure. Many of the comments deleted were highly rated at the time of deletion, indicating that THE PEOPLE wanted them to stay.
2. Disabling numerous user accounts. Many of these accounts were disabled before they even posted anything.
3. Enacting IP bans against several users, and adding additional IP bans as these persecuted people kept changing IPs to avoid censorship.
4. Deleting many diaries, including several that contained no abusive/offensive content, for no reason and with no warning or notice.
5. Keeping all this secret, because Rusty Foster knows he would be lynched by his readership if his Nazi-like practices were evar revealed.
Disabling dozens of accounts... deleting dozens of comments... banning dozens of IPs and several entire subnets... is this Democracy??
Rusty Foster is going to be second against the wall when the revolution comes, right behind his gay lovebuddy William Scott Lockwood III.
* * * *
God help us all
by Anonymous Coward on 05:15 AM March 16th, 2000 CST (#810)
But mainly help me. I had a long, dull business trip Tues. and Wed., and as a result I wrote the following (5000 words and still unfinished) Slashdot Troll FAQ. I haven't been able to build on 80md's original due to lack of connection, but the doct. below still needs revised. Specifically, it needs to be made more entertaining. See whatcha think.
jsm
Slashdot troll FAQ
We post inflammatory, satirical or just plain weird comments on slashdot, aiming to draw attention to ourselves and to distract discussion away from the matter at hand. We use satire, wit, art and other cultural weapons to give fun to the clueful and embarrass the clueless.
A good troll is a statement designed to inflame the passions of a certain type of reader. A troll is a contrary or controversial statement, which attacks a preconception of someone who is likely to read it, causing them to suspend their normal standards of critical thinking, and to fire off a combative response, without thinking that they are being had. This is the "classic" troll, aimed at enticing someone to make a fool of themself.
Yes. The "surrealistic" troll is a piece of prose, rambling, comic or just downright weird, inserted into a discussion where it seems at once utterly irrelevant and curiously in place. The common thread linking the types of trolls is that a certain kind of personality (read - far too uptight) gets irrationally annoyed by them.
Some kinds of trollish statement have been proven to work again and again, so naturally, some trolls have taken advantage of this fact to repeat them again and again. Certain individual trolls are more or less identified with certain types of trollish statement, and thus we have the idea of a "character" - a fictitious entity which is supposed to actually hold the views which are expressed in the troll's posts. Some of these characters have distinct personalities and maintain narrative coherence from troll to troll (see the "Microsoft Linux" episode between streetlawyer and DMG); some of them show up expressing the same or similar points of view again and again (the RWM and derivatives).
The number one maximally 1337 troll character is the RWM; the most established troll, with the most solid track record behind him. Opensource man and his creations is the oldest surreal troll; gnarphlager and auntfloyd also adopt this style. Paranoid Man is getting off the ground, and DMG and streetlawyer have their fans. Mindless Bastard is more of a style of trolling than a character per se. There are lots more people posting trolls than are listed here; these are just the repeating characters.
RWM is the Right Wing Maniac, a character with a hotch-potch of (often mutually incompatible) libertarian, Christian, and Objectivist views, who typically (mis)applies the general principles of his world-view to various slashdot topics. He tends to be keen on referring to people as "socialists", particularly if they consider themselves to be conservatives. Sometimes he's more of a religious nut; sometimes it's more the free market which rings his bell. There is also a Left Wing Maniac with a yen for spouting dialectical materialism, but he hasn't done much recently. It's worth noting that it is very rare to find a RWM troll thread in which at least one participant doesn't agree with most of RWM's views.
DMG is the Dumb Marketing Guy. He claims to have been involved in Linux for "at least four years, since the very beginning", and offers unsolicited "open source" marketing advice on Linux advocacy to the members of the community. He often takes a rather hurt tone in response to the welter of abuse which is the usual response to his advice.
For crying out loud, they ought to be self-explanatory, surely to heck?
Buggered if I know. Lots of trolls mention cheese, and seem to indicate that cheese has some sort of significance. Maybe it does.
Because he had a hard life, dragging himself up from the streets to get his fucken law degree from fucken Hah-vud, OK?
Well, sorry. But really, nobody cares (see below). You're too easily offended. Now purge the post from your board, log our IP address and go back to drawing your "After Y2K" comic (which is shit, by the way).
We don't do boring, uncreative shit which just makes slashdot harder to read. We're not into denial of service attacks - they aren't very funny. We're probably harsher opponents of the spam bunch than you are, because anything which encourages people to browse at levels above -1 makes our work harder.
Nope. Nezh.
Nope. Nada.
Errrr, well actually yes we have. Both of those ongoing trolls were written by regulars on the troll forum, and you're not going to find condemnation of them in this FAQ.
Read them. Untwist your underwear, stop fulminating over the momentary interruption to your terribly important discussion about Slackware and have a look at some of these posts. Open source Natalie Portman was a fine piece of Burroughsian prose and if you don't agree that it was, then you're wrong. The whole "Naked and petrified" thing was an absolute triumph - it provoked a huge amount of reaction, entertainingly interfered with a few people's heads by sexualising the context of slashdot and is still talked about, several months after the original author stopped bothering.
Sick to you, but that was actually the guy's genuinely held sexual fantasy. He was erotically excited by the thought of women turned to stone, and was letting the world know about it. Don't pretend that you weren't interested - it's absolutely fascinating.
Nope. I was taken aback myself, but there are several sites on the Net with active discussion boards on this very subject. It's not that very different from the subject of "The Fermata" by Nicholson Baker, where the hero has the power to stop time, effectively turning women into statues. And that is quite a common paraphilia.
No, it was a petrification fantasy. Which is something rather less threatening, because harder to act out (how many people really believed that anyone could actually turn Natalie Portman to stone?)
I'm sure she's not wonderfully happy about being the subject of someone else's tawdry sexual fantasies, but it kind of comes with the job. I doubt she loses much sleep.
Opensourceman's works (including the Star Wars series and Fat-time Charlie) are available online at: Craig MacPherson has a website at: , which probably has a few things on it to do with the petrification thing.
Wellllll
Why, for God's sake?
For a variety of reasons, but mainly to puncture the self-importance of a few people who deeply deserve it. Slashdot has a lot of very clever people posting, but vastly more individuals with a serious perception/reality gap with regard to their own intelligence. People who believe themselves to be perceptive, clueful, even deep thinkers while merely reciting lists of conventional wisdom deserve to be taken for a ride. And there's the sheer Skinnerian joy of it - if somebody, or some group of people have buttons, it's inhuman not to take delight in pushing them.
In order to do it properly.
No problem. Whining about moderation is for the moderation thread. Several trolls moderate more or less frequently (and meta-moderate - be very afraid), and there is very little genuine complaint about moderation on the troll threads. Any remarks about $3 crack are meant in a spirit of fun and affection, and are usually merely cris de coeur when a finely crafted troll has been rumbled in the first few seconds and down-modded.
That was funny.
Where is there? We've had a token go or two at Nitrozac and kuro5hin, and an abortive attempt to troll some of the statuephilia discussion boards with discussions about technology, but it just doesn't feel right. If you ain't on slashdot, you ain't, basically, trolling.
That isn't even true. Several of the troll regulars have enough Karma to post with the +1 bonus when they use their regular identities, which puts them in the top decile, according to Rob Malda. And there is a definite audience for quality trolls. Have you just been trolled? Is that why you're so angry? Calm down, it'll be someone else's turn in the barrel on Friday.
To paraphrase gnarphlager, yes, we have many better things to do, but we're not going to do them.
How can I recognise a troll?
If you want to spot a troll, then you're basically entering into a game, played against us. You have to keep your guard up, adopt a critical attitude to what you read and decide whether it is plausible that someone is actually posting that view. For our part, we will intermingle fact and fiction, invent plausible-sounding references and (always) attempt to attack your emotional involvement in a topic in order to make you drop your guard. The more ridiculous the proposition we sneak under your guard, the more we win. The angrier you get, the more we win. And you? As the computer said in War Games "The only way to win is not to play".
Usually, a troll will resemble a normal slashdot post, but will contain at least one thing which is not true. A good troll will contain material which obviously couldn't possibly be true, and would not fool anyone who gave it a moment's thought. The troll will also contain an inflammatory or controversial statement, designed to make sure that nobody does give it a moment's thought. Criticism of Linux, strong or offensive political views, mockery of "computer geeks", claims about the inferiority of women/Canadians/Perl, all of that stuff. Interestingly, having experimented with using outright, Bell-Curve-like racist statements to act as the controversial part of the troll, I've found that they never offend anyone, which I guess shows what a lily-white place slashdot is.
Obviously these rules apply more to the classic satirical model of a troll, but there is a strong family resemblance in the surrealist model. Looking at the best work of osm, gnarphlager, auntfloyd et al., you pick up a strong sense of the underlying form. There is the (often highly tenuous) link to the subject matter, the building sense of cognitive dissonance and then the denouement in which the troll moves into the realm of pure surrealist prose (or "gets silly", depending on how you look at it). Typically, when reading such a troll for the first time, and in the context of the thread, the reader's reaction goes through stages.
At the opening of the troll, in which the technological subject matter is being obliquely referred to, the reader is curious. There is an unconscious assumption that what is being used is a metaphor, which appears opaque but will actually make an argument clear (in such a way the surrealist trolls subvert the category of metaphor as used in scientific discussions). Then, the tension between the what the reader wants to read and what he/she sees on the page grows, but the reader still tries to hang on to the idea that he/she is reading "News for Nerds". Finally, when the reality (that is, the unreality) of the troll is revealed, the reader is outraged at having been tricked.
Thus, we can see that the distinction between the classical and surrealist trolls is one of inversion; metaphor versus metonymy. The classical troll traps the reader in metaphor, creating the "character" or authorial fiction, which the reader takes as a metonymy for "The Other" - the fictional creature on the screen is espousing Microsoft, or Libertarianism, or something else which must be ritually reacted to, rather than read as if it were a metaphorical text. The surrealist troll appears to use metaphor, but creates no authorial fiction. The piling up of the metonymic symbols of trolldom (cheese, Natalie Portman, the Troll itself) draws the reader into the pure text, looking for a meaning (or metaphor) which is always deferred. The reader wants to create an authorial fiction, but this is denied - and it is this denial which is the source of his/her rage. The surrealist troll lets the reader down with a bump - the satirical troll, in its purest form, never lets the reader out at all, leaving him/her stuck in a world which is false, because he/she is being manipulated by the authorial fiction. Classical trolling is about the use of metaphor to create metonymy; surrealist trolling is using metonymy to create metapor.
YHBT. YHL. HAND. (Ha ha, only serious)
Pretty much so, yeah. There's been "trolltalk", "trolltalk2", "31337troll" and a bunch of others. It's good to be able to see other people's work, to discuss trolling, and on occasion to have a way of proving for sure that something you wrote was a troll, to a particularly persistent mark.
If I could tell you, I'd have to kill you. There have been a few problems with people stalking some of the trolls, and spamming the troll forums with whitespace to make them unusable. There's no big secret or anything, it's just that we'd like to think that finding the troll forum requires a modicum of commitment and ingenuity. There's one pretty well-trafficked troll forum which is listed in most of the usual indices. Look, fuck it, you used to be able to find BBSes, didn't you? This is no different.
Yada yada yada.
Welllllll
Write a nice, long post, beginning with the phrase "I'm sure this is a troll, but
The only approved, correct, 1337 way to deal with a troll is not to reply at all. Don't say anything. Just sit back and feel smugly self-satisfied that you caught the troll. Go on. People always seem to say the word "smug" as if it were a bad thing, but how can something that feels so good be wrong? Smirk. Once the troll is "dead" (once the author has taken credit for it and admitted the troll), you might want to post a message about it. You'll probably get a nice reply.
Wellllll
Then you should be prepared to live with being a laughing stock. We live off people like you, who simply can't stop themselves from pouring out conventional wisdom, even when they know they are being made monkeys of. And no, the "I'm pretty sure
Well, fundamentally, it lacks class. For one thing, you're feeding the troll while pretending not to feed it, which is dishonest. For another, you're encouraging lots of enraged people to visit the troll forum. This means that the troll forum gets spammed, the trolls move, and you now will be forced to spot trolls for yourself rather than reading them off the list, lamer. Also, the trolls can't tell who it was who brought the spammer there, so all the other people who used to enjoy reading the daily trolls don't find out where the new forum is.
How can I start trolling for myself?
"Just do it", as that noted provider of employment to Indonesian children once said. Your first trolls are unlikely to be offensive enough to draw many responses, but once you lose your disinclination to be unpleasant, results will follow. Of course, you may incipiently be a natural trolling genius like dmg, who got huge pops from the get-go. Choose a story which will get a lot of traffic, try to get an early, top-level post, etc, etc (here might follow a whole load of shit from the Karma HOWTO which I'm not going to reproduce). And, offend. You might want to start off with a right-wing maniac troll.
RWM is the source from which it all flows. Like an origami master building everything from a folded base, or a woodworker turning a chair-leg, the entirety of the art is encapsulated in this one element. It is possible to dedicate your entire trolling career to the perfection of the RWM (troll gods 80md and 70% more or less have done). If you can't write an RWM troll, you can't write a troll.
The key to the RWM troll is to realise its heritage from Usenet. Usenet trolling was all about cross-posting controversial statements to start flame-wars between different newsgroups. On slashdot, you can't cross-post, so you have to identify people who can be brought into conflict where you are. The beauty of the RWM troll is not so much that he sets rightwingers against leftwingers, but that he creates cognitive dissonance in rightwing readers, because they want to agree with his conclusions (or at least, his less obviously mad ones), but can't bring themselves to accept his reasoning (or simulation thereof). RWM also exploits the fact that a lot of people with right-wing views haven't necessarily thought out those views very comprehensively, and so are vulnerable to cognitive dissonance caused by the inconsistency of what they believe. Among the elements of right-wing mania are:
Obviously, everyone who disagrees with a RWM is a socialist, even if they don't think they are.
Further information
From: Ceee Peee
0 /12/20/01446/325).
To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
Subject: [k22320inchfan] Sorry about that, all
Date sent: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:51:12 -0800 (PST)
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
(This is CP0006)
Demonstrating poor judgment on my part, I lobbed
another at the k5 queue
(http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory&sid=200
It's not half as big a troll as the last one, but,
well, I guess people are still angry about the last
one. Let's just say the only thing geeks defend more
than their porn is their smokes.
JSM, I'm disappointed you didn't show some guts and
just mod it down. Have I pissed enough in your
swimming pool yet? Heck, they're slandering you in
there, equating the two of us. Even rusty's annoyed,
and he has a sense of humor (though his reasoning
isn't so hot).
I think I'll leave k5 alone for a while. I'm leaving
town in two days and won't be back for a couple weeks,
though I'll have net access in between. Maybe when I
get back, I'll have developed some maturity. 'Night,
all.
(This is CP0006)
The same guy on tape at ZDNet talking about microsoft and why he...left.
http://zdnet.com.com/1601-2-976069.html
LP
From: Ceee Peee
0 /12/25/225554/21&mode=mo
To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
Subject: [k22320inchfan] What better way to spread the holiday joy...
Date sent: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 20:10:17 -0800 (PST)
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
(This is CP0009)
What better way to spread the holiday joy than to vote
up Anne Marie's new k5 article on pornography?
(http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory;sid=200
derate)
Pornography: it's what we do, so it's what we should discuss.
(This is CP0009)
Dear Sirs and Madams:
My friend Purple / Red / Blue / Green / Cyan / Violet / Orange / Black / Crimson Microdot has just informed me that he has recently been IP banned from Kuro5hin. Consequently, the onus has temporarily fallen to me of carrying out the sacred duties of the Microdot until he can resolve the situation and resume operations as before.
I know that I have big shoes to fill, and I won't claim that I'll be able to live up to the accomplishments of my predecessor. I won't even claim that I'm qualified for the job, however, I know that Kuro5hin needs a Microdot, and I will do anything within my power to adequately fill in for the true Microdot while he is indisposed.
The true Microdot wishes me to convey his sincere regrets to all of you over being temporarily forcibly separated from you. This is a situation that was beyond his control, and he is doing what he can to find a workaround. Until then, I'll do my part to try to fill the void, because Kuro5hin without the Microdot is just not Kuro5hin. (We won't even mention a certain Yellow imposter, who is an embarrassment to the Microdot name and to himself.)
I can never be the original Microdot, but I'm going to try my best to get into the Microdot mindset, and find my own personal style as well. If you like me, then perhaps when the real Microdot overcomes his IP-ban, I'll continue to work side-by-side with him. If you don't like me, then e-mail some certain people and request/demand that the original Microdot have his IP-ban removed as soon as possible.
This is all that I have to say at the moment. Until the services of the Standing Junior Microdot are needed again, I wish you all good night... and Godspeed.
Warmest Possible Regards,
Teal Microdot
Adequacy Still Sucks Ass!
From: Ceee Peee
/. after a long series of trolls, it's time to whore [the queue] again.
/. ever was. My intentions and hopes aren't to destroy k5 but to become a watershed event in its history, fit to go into next year's year-in-review. Looks like I'm succeeding.
To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
Subject: Re: [k22320inchfan] the real anne marie stood up
Date sent: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:24:36 -0800 (PST)
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
(This is CP0016)
Agreed, but I have to find better ones. As much as I liked the dementia-causes-popmusic-preference one, the k5 crowd just didn't care. Like on
One of these days I'm going to write an op/ed meta story called "Hi, I'm Anne Marie. You're all hypocrites." But I think I'll hold back, now.
BTW, the ktb=educatedescort cries are hilarious, at least to me. Soon, rusty'll have to change k5's motto to "Technology and culture from the trenches and stuff about Anne Marie". I'd feel remorse, but a) I like the attention and b) I give k5 more credit than that; it's more resilient than
--- jlb wrote:
> As those of you who are interested have probably
> already seen, the real
> anne marie has posted a story on k5 saying that
> she's not the AM account
> on k5 or slashdot. She apparently put something in
> the html source of her
> educatedescort site saying as much.
>
> My advice to cp: keep posting stories like nothing,
> at all, has changed.
>
> -lb
>
> --
> "Is this real?"
> "Does it matter?"
>
(This is CP0016)
It is time to set the record straight regarding the situation with respect
to Vladinator/JCB/Reza/Lonesome Cowboy Burt/Whatever other aliases he may be
using. The situation has been confused due to the recent world-wide influx
of Vlad-haters, helper-cells, interested third parties and the occasional
Vlad sympathizer.
Let us start with a basic tenet of the Association of Anti-Vlad Avengers:
There is no difference between William Scott Lockwood III and those who
aid him, give him comfort, and/or use him as a substandard, "Always Save"
hosting solution. Though we may have no direct quarrel with you, Mr. "Trollaxor",
you appear to be friendly with Mr. Lockwood and - by your own admission - are
using him as a substandard "Always Save" hosting solution. Consider the fact
that if you were using a respectable host for your web site, you would not be
having the difficulties you are having now. Also, with this attempt at
ferreting out information for Mr. Lockwood, you are aiding and abetting our
sworn enemy and have aligned yourself in direct oposition to a powerful
internet force (that is, the AAA and its splinter groups).
This brings us to a primary characteristic of the AAA which has
been detailed elsewhere, but which I will repeat here in interest of
completeness: no single cell, as an entity, is aware of the members of
any other cell. The structure of our association works as follows. Each
cell is composed of no more and no less than three members who all reside in
a roughly similar geographic area. One of the three members is designated
as a messenger. This messenger is the only member in contact with a messenger
from exactly two other cells. In this way, the members of each cell remain
anonymous to the members of any other cell. If a messenger has been compromised,
the corresponding cell is responsible for "cleansing" that messenger and
replacing him or her with a new messenger. Such a cell will remain on
probation - meaning they will only be allowed contact with a single other
cell - until such time as the new messenger has been operating for no less
than six months.
Our activities are clandestine and even if another cell wanted to
share the information you request, it would not be able to because it
would not be privy to said information.
As you can see the AAA, though very loosely connected, operates
in a highly efficient manner and is deadly serious about the stated goals
of the organization: namely, the complete, unconditional eradication of
Vladinator, in any and all forms, from the internet.
We have been following the current situation with Vladinator's hosting
service quite closely and we estimate the damages to be severe at this point.
However, we cannot agree to end our champaign any sooner than already decided
upon. We may have shown mercy in this, our second major attack, if Mr.
Lockwood had shown the proper degree of humility at our hands. Instead,
Mr. Lockwood responded with his usual barrage of
lies
and vitriol.
For this reason, and the fact that we are otherwise bored, we have extended the
length of this attack. We realize that Mr. Lockwood's hosting company will try
various tricks to deflect our attack, things such as firewalls and IP banning. Eventually,
they will succeed in eliminating the current attack at which point we will rest for
a period of not less than seven days prior to initiating another attack.
We predict that the end of this second wave will result in another round of
cockiness from Mr. Lockwood, given the highly reactionary character that he is.
The next attack, which will be the "third wave", will be far more subtle than the
current attack and will undoubtedly shake Mr. Lockwood's faith in his current
alliances and dealings. This cycle of attack/end attack/Lockwood gets cocky/
attack again is necessary to wear down Mr. Lockwood's self-confidence and
general desire for continued existence.
As for the fate of Trollaxor.com, I would suggest you find a more suitable,
respectable host for your web site. Had you chosen your hosting solution more
wisely to begin with, you would not find yourself in the same sinking ship with
the rest of Lockwood's "customers". We would also like to remind you that it
is not we who are the enemy, it is William Scott Lockwood III who has
brought this upon himself and those who do business with him. Yes, our attacks
have been harsh and our dealings with Mr. Lockwood have been merciless, but simply
going over Mr. Lockwood's internet history shows that our cause is just and in the
best interests of the internet community at large. If we must sacrifice "innocent"
sites such as yours and kuro5hin, then so be it. It is a very small price to pay
for a truly Vladinator-free internet. An internet where true innocents can browse,
write and engage in discussion without fear of being choked at the hands of a
slobbering troglydite with bad glands
and a spastic colon.
It gets rather irritating to see headlines every day about a couple of people converting. Must every little action in the Linux community be treated as a major milestone?
I like linux, but honestly it is not the best OS in existence. There is no perfect OS in this world, although some would have you believe different.
Rather then always point out the same ridiculous arguments that Linux is better, Windows sux, open-source is better then closed source, why not just accept that people use what they need to get the job done? Yes both OS's can do the same stuff, but I can do certain things 10x faster in Windows then linux, and vice versa.
Announcing every day that people some people are converting really seems pointless when almost all the desktops come with Windows. Consider this, if you wait till the end of the month and announced 10,000 people converted to linux, Microsoft could do the same and say that since there were 1,000,000 desktops sold in the month, 1,000,000 people chose Windows. My point of all this.
WHO CARES! Let people chose on their own, don't advertise every single person, because the general population doesn't give care.
Hi. My name is Theodore "Teddy" Devon, and I'm a 32 year old single gay
white male, who just happens to be an Aquarius/Pisces cusp. If you know
anything about astrology, it fits me perfectly. I'm 6'1" (without my heels),
and 160 pounds. I have (for now) kinda short pink hair. But the style and
color are always changing!!! I am origionaly from Detroit, MI. But I moved
here to Joliet from Missouri. I've lived all over the Chicago area in
general. You get the picture. Oh, and just for all you ignorant bastards out
there who don't like "femme" guys, you won't like me. If you couldn't tell
by the pic above, yes, I act like a fag. I'm a queen, The Queen to be exact,
a flamer, you name it, I've been called it. I am who I am, and I'm not
ashamed or embarassed. And I will not censor or change myself for anyone or
anything. So if you can't deal with that, I'm sure you can't deal with me.
Cher, Cher, and more Cher. Cher is my idol, my hero, my god, my everthing. I
love her so much. She has had such an impact on my life. Along with Linda
Hamilton. They are beyond fierce. So yes, music and movies are a big part of
what I'm about. I'm a pop princess when it comes to music. Cher of course,
Geri Halliwell (ex Ginger Spice), Madonna, the A*Teens, and Tina Turner.
When it comes to movies, I worked at a video rental store for three years so
I've seen just about every one. But I usually see movies for who is in them,
not what they are about. You see some pretty bad movies that way, but a lot
of really amazing, interesting ones that you wouldn't have seen otherwise.
My best friend, my other half, my life, my soul, my everthing, William Scott
Lockwood. I love you more than you will ever know.
From: Ceee Peee
To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
Subject: [k22320inchfan] gbd on #trolls
Date sent: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:06:25 -0800 (PST)
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
(This is CP0004)
Right now, "gbd" is on #trolls. His host is
remarkably similar to momocrome's: gbd is
~gbd@adsl-63-200-62-16.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net
(george), whereas momocrome is
~natalie_p@cloaked.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net (MOMOCROME).
Yet, he's able to present compelling evidence that he
is the one who currently holds the "gbd" usernick on
slashdot, who I do consider to be the real gbd in
light of the circumstances surrounding how I gave him
the account. Gbd's address looks like it's from SF,
whereas momocrome's is from LA, so that would suggest
they're not the same. But does anyone else have a
pacbell.net address that we know?
(This is CP0004)
Thoughout history, many names have been used to describe those who are on the wrong moral path in life: coward, criminal, fiend, monster, vagrant, lunatic. It's without question that William Scott Lockwood III is all of these things, but these are things that can be forgiven. William Scott Lockwood III's sins run deeper.
In many cultures, the greatest moral offense a man can commit isn't murder, robbery, rape, arson, or even blasphemy. In these cultures, there's a word for someone who is even lower than the murderers and rapists, because he has demonstrated with clear finality his lack of moral character. This one word, never used carelessly, reserved only for the lowest of the low is oathbreaker.
Many societies value personal honor, honesty, and integrity above anything else. People can make mistaks, and still maintain their honor if they take accountability for their actions. But the oathbreaker is the lowest of the low, never to be forgiven, and never to be trusted. This is because he has voluntarily sacrified the only thing that every man brings with him into the world, and the only thing that every man (hopefully) takes with him into the grave: his honor.
When a man's honor is gone, he has nothing.
Ladies and gentlemen, William Scott Lockwood III has nothing. If our society were still built on the concept that a man's word is sacred and that honoring others with the truth is a noble goal, William Scott Lockwood III would be dead right now.
A man's word is his bond, and when he breaks his word, he's no longer a man at all. He's worse than a coward, worse than a liar, and worse than a thief, but he's all these things and more. He's an oathbreaker.
In the past, oathbreakers become nonpersons. They stand below even murderers and thieves. Even beggars would not give or recieve comfort from an oathbreaker. Quite often, they were simply killed outright. Sometimes, they were merely cut off from honest society, trusted by no one, alienated until the day they died. After their death, their families were shunned and distrusted forever, because a man holds in his hand no only his own honor, but the honor of his family as well.
The Lockwood family has no honor left. The Lockwood family has no place in honest society, among civilized humans, because they have no honor, and they are not a part of civilization.
Killing an oathbreaker was considered to be an act of mercy, sending a tortured soul on to final judgement instead of forcing him to live an empty, hollow life.
Maybe it's time that we bring back the practice of killing oathbreakers, and ensuring that their bloodline does not propogate. Maybe a lack of honesty is what's wrong with our society. Maybe that's why everything is falling into chaos around us. When you can't trust a man's word, what basis is there for civilization?
I think upon consideration that you will agree: William Scott Lockwood III is less than a gentlemen, less even than a man, less even than a human, less even than an animal. William Scott Lockwood III is an oathbreaker.
From: cptroll
) and pioneer an entirely PICTOGRAPHIC version (http://ilovebacon.bla-bla.com/noway/112100c.shtml ).
To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
Subject: Re: [k22320inchfan] why the internet rules
Date sent: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:29:43 -0500
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
(This is CP0037)
Did you get that from ilovebacon.com? Because if you did, then I'm disappointed you didn't note how those industrious Germans are at it again. Who else could pick up on the failure of dogs to read their 'no pooping' signs (http://ilovebacon.bla-bla.com/noway/110300.shtml
Without such innovation at home, it's little wonder Amerika is scraping
the bottom of the corporate barrel abroad.
jlb <jlb@io.com> wrote:
>http://www.d111.k12.id.us/BHS/BHS.htm
(This is CP0037)
From: Ceee Peee
To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
Subject: Re: [k22320inchfan] advice?
Date sent: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 04:34:58 -0800 (PST)
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
(This is CP0013)
Indeed, whimsy is an open account (for posting whimsical diaries) whose password is 'whimsy'. I've contributed some diaries (principally, "I was there watching the world go by" and "How to calculate your social security income") and so have felt free to abuse the account for comment posting in Anne Marie stories. My guess is the other whimsy poster is tewl, since she posted something about "oh, I didn't realize annemarie=cp" in k5tt a while back.
I share your incredulity. Anyone who reads through k5tt would know the truth. Anyone who suspected could do a search on my (cp's) comments and see I only post in anne marie's stories. Oh well. It's fun to see rusty defend me.
--- James <spiralx@spazmail.com> wrote:
> --- =?iso-8859-1?q?I=20am=20Troll?=
> <i_am_troll@yahoo.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >I thought that you were Whimsy? Why did you just
> out
> >yourself and then ask us to mod it down? Explain
> now,
> >or I'll moderate the comment up.
>
> Nah, Whimsy is an open account anyone can use if
> they know the password, which is lost to me, but
> could be "whimsy". So at least one other person
> remembers the password and knows that cp is anne
> marie.
>
> What I'd like to know is how on Earth has cp managed
> to keep the fact that he is Anne Marie quiet so
> well? I mean, he hardly tried to keep it quiet with
> trolltalk posts and so on, and yet very few seem to
> know who Anne Marie actually is...
>
> J
>
> P.S. I really want to smoke. Bugger. Giving up
> sucks.
(This is CP0013)
WSL throughout the ages!
William Scott Lockwood 1 - Born 1924 to unknown parents. Abandoned in a trash can in New Orleans by his opium-addicted prostitute mother just minutes after birth. Raised in a Catholic orphanage staffed by pedophile priests. Named himself "William Scott Lockwood 1", combining the names of his three favorite Priests/lovers at the orphanage. After puberty, the priests started to ignore him in favor of the younger boys, and he felt jealous and alienated. He ran away at age 14 and lived in the gayest part of the French Quarter, sucking cocks for spare change. At age 17, his first and only sexual encounter with a female (a woman on Bourbon Street during Mardi Gras who claimed she was actually a male Drag Queen) resulted in the conception of a child. The woman, Fannie Sassaman, quickly left town and gave birth to the child in secret, without telling WSL1 that they had conceived a son together. WSL1 died in 1949 when his herpes infection migrated to his brain.
William Scott Lockwood 2 - Born 1942 to Fannie Sassaman by WSL1. Originally named Ezekiel Sassaman and raised as a good Jewish boy. A botched circumcision by a drunken Mohil left him with an almost nonfunctional penis. From the ages of 3 to 8, he was forced by his mother to shovel coal on a railroad for a living. At age 8, he learned of the true identity of his father, converted to Catholicism, and went to New Orleans to search for his father. (Fannie Sassaman's story doesn't end there, but we'll save it for a later date.) Ezekiel Sassaman renamed himself William Scott Lockwood 2 after his father, who he found lying dead in a gutter when he reached New Orleans. He joined up with a railroad hobo gang, and spent the next two decades riding the rails and carrying out a string of brutal rapes and murders around the country. His damaged penis kept him from conceiving any children, but in 1969, God blessed him with a miracle: one of the women he raped conceived a child. He married her, and shortly thereafter, WSL3 was born. WSL2 quit the railroad gang after his son's birth and settled down with his victim/wife. He is still wanted by the FBI as one of the most notorious serial killers of this century. He is considered heavily armed, extremely dangerous, and morbidly obese. Let the FBI know if you have seen this man. They have offered a $1,000,000 reward for any information leading to his arrest, capture, or death. After a recent sighting at an Illinois hospital, he is once again at large.
William Scott Lockwood 3 - Born 1969 to a nondescript obese housewife by WSL2. Much has already been written about the life of this man, so I won't cover territory that has already been excellently covered by others before me. Oh, and he runs an obscure website, but only about 5 people actually visit it. Currently struggling with AIDS, heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, chronic stress, liver disease, herpes, genital warts, crabs, the Clap, bad acne, morbid obesity, hypertension, and several unidentified illnesses.
William Scott Lockwood 4 - Born 1992 to Wife #2 by WSL3. Mentally scarred by the abuse and molestation he suffered at the hands of his father at a young age. At age 3, he convinced his mother to divorce WSL3, but that didn't stop the abuse, as WSL3 began a campaign of stalking against Wife #2 and WSL4. WSL4 holds the world record as the youngest person to independently get a restraining order issued against his own father, in 1996 at the age of 4. WSL3 lost interest in WSL4 on his sixth birthday, reportedly saying "they're just not sexy anymore when they get that old." His father left him with an AIDS infection, though, and he isn't expected to last much longer.
William Scott Lockwood 5 - ???
William Scott Lockwood 6 - PROFIT!!!
MIMI: How long till next year? ... Please pick up the phone. Are you okay? It's not funny. It's not fair. How can I atone? Are you okay? I lose control, but I can learn to behave. Give me one more chance; let me be your slave! I'll kiss your Doc Martens, let me kiss your Doc Martens; your every wish I will obey!
ROGER: Three and half minutes...
MIMI: I'm giving up my vices. I'm going back -- back to school. Eviction or not, this week's been so hot; as long as I've got you I know I'll be cool. I couldn't crack the love code, dear, til you made the lock on my heart explode! It's gonna be a happy new year! A happy new year!
MARK: Coast is clear; you're supposed to be working, that's for midnight, where are they? There isn't much time.
MIMI: Maybe they're dressing. I mean what does one wear that's apropos for a party -- that's also a crime?
MAUREEN: Chips, anyone?
MARK: You can take the girl out of Hicksville, but you can't take the Hicksville out of the girl!
MAUREEN: My riot got you on TV, I deserve a royalty.
MIMI: Be nice you two, or no god awful champagne.
MAUREEN: Don't mind if I do. No luck?
ROGER: Bolted plywood, padlocked with a chain. A total dead end
MAUREEN: Just like my ex-girlfriend Honey...? I know you're there
JOANNE: That might be okay. Down girl, heel...stay! I did a bit of research with my friends at legal aid. Technically, you're squatters: there's hope. But just in case...
MARK AND JOANNE: Rope!
MARK: We can hoist a line --
JOANNE: To the fire escape --
MARK: And tie off at...
MARK AND JOANNE: That bench!
MAUREEN: I can't take them as chums.
JOANNE: Start hoisting...wench!
ROGER: I think I should be laughing, yet I forget, forget how to begin. I'm feeling something inside, and yet I still can't decide, if I should hide or make a wide open grin. Last week I wanted just to disappear; my life was dust, but now it just may be a happy new year. A happy new year.
COLLINS: Bond -- James Bond!
ANGEL: And Pussy Galore -- in person!
MIMI: Pussy -- you came prepared!
ANGEL: I was a boy scout once, and a brownie, til some brat got scared.
COLLINS: Aha! Moneypenny -- my martini!
MIMI: Will bad champagne do?
ROGER: That's shaken -- not stirred.
COLLINS: Pussy -- the bolts.
ANGEL: Just say the word!
MIMI: Two minutes left to execute our plan.
COLLINS: Where's everyone else?
ROGER: Playing Spiderman.
MARK: Ironic close up: tight. On the phone machine's red light. Once the Boho boys are gone, the power mysteriously comes on...
apparently some lamer doesnt like some other lamer and now many a mod point will be wasted...
I've been a fool to myself,
I thought that I could live for no one else.
But now, through all the hurt and pain,
It's time for me to respect,
The ones you love mean more than anything.
So with sadness in my heart,
Feel the best thing I could do,
Is end it all, and leave forevar.
What's done is done, it feels so bad,
What once was happy now is sad,
I'll never love again,
My world is ending.
I wish that I could turn back time,
'Cause now the guilt is all mine,
Can't live without the trust from those you love.
I know we can't forget the past,
You can't forget love and pride,
Because of that, it's killing me inside.
It all returns to nothing,
It all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down.
It all returns to nothing,
I just keep letting me down, letting me down, letting me down.
In my heart of hearts,
I know that I could never love again.
I've lost evarthing... evarthing...
Evarthing that matters to me matters in this world!
I wish that I could turn back time,
'Cause now the guilt is all mine,
Can't live without the trust from those you love.
I know we can't forget the past,
You can't forget love and pride,
Because of that, it's killing me inside.
It all returns to nothing,
It all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down.
It all returns to nothing,
I just keep letting me down, letting me down, letting me down.
It all returns to nothing,
It all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down.
It all returns to nothing,
I just keep letting me down, letting me down, letting me down.
"We have determined that your Web browser and/or computer's operating system may not support the navigation system of Quantum.com. We recommend that you either upgrade your Web browser to the most recent version or use our site map to browse our site."
That's Moz1.2 folks.
sigh...
ZERO
From: Ceee Peee
0 /12/25/225554/21&mode=mo
To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
Subject: [k22320inchfan] What better way to spread the holiday joy...
Date sent: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 20:10:17 -0800 (PST)
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
(This is CP0009)
What better way to spread the holiday joy than to vote
up Anne Marie's new k5 article on pornography?
(http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory;sid=200
derate)
Pornography: it's what we do, so it's what we should discuss.
(This is CP0009)
From: Ceee Peee
To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
Subject: Re: [k22320inchfan] talk about smoking crack...
Date sent: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:26:33 -0800 (PST)
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
(This is CP0007)
Hi. I couldn't stay away, so I scrounged up some 'net
access. Hi.
I was talking with rusty indirectly about this, last
night. He was asking me why I wanted k5 Anne Marie's
nick -- that is, why I wanted to carry that "slashdot
baggage" over with me to k5, the same way siggy did.
It's funny, that way. I wanted k5 Anne Marie because
it's a lovely character troll of mine. Siggy wanted
"Signal 11" because it's the only way he's ever gotten
a lot of (any) attention. He's afraid to be just
Bojay Iverson, and it really comes across.
(This is CP0007)
Surely, Mr. Traficant is quaking in his boots at the prospect
of being interviewed by Ms. Sassaman. Ms. Sassaman's reporting
is the most hard-hitting; the most insightful; the most
fact-based. Every interview she does (how many... two now?) opens
a Pandora's box of corruption and intrigue.
Ms. Sassaman concocts many a rich fantasy in her clouded mind. Her
writing never seems to hit the mark. That is because it is never
based in anything resembling reality. How many times have we been
teased with suggestions of "having it cold" that a "certain large
company" is involved in far-reaching scandal? How many times have we
been promised penetrating interviews with the rich and famous?
I think it has become painfully obvious that Ms. Sassaman lives in
a world completely of her own manufacture. "I'm going to interview Jamez
Traficante." "I'm going to blow the lid off of nookie." "I'm going
to expose the corruption going on in Russian Blue cat farms."
Yes. We believe you, Esther. Now, go in for your schizophrenia
treatment and quiet down.
Now, there is nothing wrong with living in a fantasy. And there is
nothing wrong with setting goals for yourself. But Kuro5hin has had
enough of Ms. Sassaman's blatant and admitted trolling and attention
farming. After having read this diary entry several times, I can see
no other purpose than to say to all of Kuro5hin: "Look at me! I'm a
hot-shot journalist and I'm going to interview Jamez Traficante! Please
heap your adulation on me now!"
Sorry, not this time. Perhaps a better place to have posted this
diary would have been Adequacy,
which is the intended victim of this fantasy interview. What, pray tell, was
the reason for posting this here? To get more traffic for Adequacy,
which has been in steady decline for several months now? Probably. And,
of course, personal attention.
In summary, I guess I can only point out that I have spoken to people who
were under the influence of LSD and still had more grounding in reality than
Ms. Sassaman. Perhaps she would do well to pack her knapsack and hitch a
ride to China, where her delusions of grandeur and fantasies of conspiracy
could be put to good use in a propaganda machine.
Bye.
Dear Trolls,
It has occured to me that you think that chainrust is me. I have received replies for emails I did not write, and other nonsense.
Thankfully, Chainrust (aka Pumpernickel and other nicks according to you) has contacted me to make the situation clear. Let me clear it further for the challenged of us out there:
Chainrust's name is not Jared Stattlemeyer. You have hardly any chance of finding his real identity (no, I will not tell you).
I am not Chainrust of Adequacy or Slashdot or K5.
The phone numbers you have published are not mine, but they may be of some other Jared Stattlemeyer, an Astroglide user in Jerusalem. The same goes for the email addresses.
In short, you are dumb. Very very dumb. The next time you decide that you can come to the right conclusions based on an incomplete evidence, please remember the above.
Oh, and by the way. I have your IPs. You visited my site, after all, didn't you? Does 64.94.151.187 look familiar? I have more. Think about that if you decide to harass that fellow in Jerusalem via phone. I will be the first to consult him on how to file a formal complaint with the police (I happen to volunteer in the Civil Guard). The "Jewish country" and US have signed agreements just for such cases.
Best regards,
Jared Stattlemeyer
Mr. "Quick Star" and Mr. Fake "Scott Lockwood", I have a message for you: get ready for a world of hurt. The first lesson is free.
Have you ever seen the movies Where the Heart Is and Anywhere but Here starring Natalie Portman? How about the classic Meg Ryan romantic comedies When Harry Met Sally and Sleepless in Seattle? Well, THAT'S the style of Martial Arts I practice. I've perfected the ruthless and efficient OLSEN TWINS FASH-SLAP STANCE!
How about the the classic Sci-Fi cult hits Plan 9 from Outer Space and The Rocky Horror Picture Show? Well, I know the martial arts from THOSE movies too! Let me show you THE PATHETIC TRANSVESTITE ALIEN STANCE!
I've also recently started to learn the martial arts from several new movies such as Jackass: the Movie, My Big Fat Greek Wedding, and Jonah: A VeggieTales Movie. I really look forward to learning the martial arts from the upcoming movie Eight Mile starring my FAVORITE HERO EVAR, Eminem (a.k.a. Slim Shady & Marshall Mathers), so you'd better watch out for my ANGRY WHITE NIGGER STANCE!!!!
I'm also learning even more martial arts from this web page [realultimatepower.net], including the deadly KUNG-FU NINJA JESUS ATTACK STANCE! Hi-YAH!!!
I'm working to improve my rythm [klerck.org], flexibility [rotten.com], stealth skills [fartbuster.com], self-confidence [yahoo.com], and critical thinking [timecube.com] skills, so you'd better watch out, because very soon I will perfect my ultimate attack, THE LARD-LIKE ANTISOCIAL DEPRESSIVE ASSHOLE SPAMMER IMPOTENT PAEDOPHILE FELCHING FLATULENT WIGGER SUMO-SAMURAI CHILD-ABUSE RESTRAINING-ORDER UNWASHED BASTARDIZED ANAL IMMATURE CATHOLIC GOATFUCKER STANCE!!!!
If that doesn't scare you... just wait and see. You'll get yours soon enough.
As Nietzsche said, "If you stare too long into my ass [klerck.org], beware, for my ass [klerck.org] might start to stare back into you."
-- Vlad
I just LOVE Vladinator's site [olsentwins.com]. Especially the "flab" [olsentwins.com] section, where I learned to use a fold of my own stomach-flab as a Martial Arts weapon. Oh and the "aborted fetus" photos!
Of course, don't forget to read Vladinator's entrails [olsentwins.com]. Here you will find how truly difficult it is to decide what to do on the weekends... have an orgy party? A faggot party? Go to the the mall naked and get arrested for public indecency? Have a sleepover and get woken up by Nigerians on the phone?
In short, if you haven't seen Vladinator's site [olsentwins.com], you don't know what you're missing!
I just LOVE Vladinator's site [olsentwins.com]. Especially the "flab" [olsentwins.com] section, where I learned to use a fold of my own stomach-flab as a Martial Arts weapon. Oh and the "aborted fetus" photos!
Of course, don't forget to read Vladinator's entrails [olsentwins.com]. Here you will find how truly difficult it is to decide what to do on the weekends... have an orgy party? A faggot party? Go to the the mall naked and get arrested for public indecency? Try to sleep but get woken up by Nigerians on the phone?
In short, if you haven't seen Vladinator's site [olsentwins.com], you don't know what you're missing!
I just LOVE The Anti-Vlad Triad's site! Especially the "fash" section, where I learned to cut the bottom off of an old shirt to use as a hair enhancement! Oh, and the "dance party" photos!
Of course, don't forget to read The Anti-Vlad Triad's emails! Here you will discover how truly difficult it is to decide what to do on the weekends... have a LAN party? A hash party? Go to the mall to look at underage girls? Have a sleepover and call Scott Lockwood at midnight?
In short, if you haven't checked out The Anti-Vlad Triad's site, you don't know what you're missing!
...forgot about that.
ZERO
From: cptroll
To: <k22320inchfan@methlab.nothing.org>
Subject: [k22320inchfan] Let's try this one again: gbd et al
Date sent: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:22:12 -0400
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@methlab.nothing.org
(This is CP0030)
cptroll <cptroll@linuxstart.com> wrote:
From ??? Fri Feb 19 09: 25 Date: Thu Oct 26 2
>I've been in touch with gbd via email. (He doesn't want me to share his
>address with anyone, and I'm respecting that.) Apparently, the fellow
>has big plans, but he's aufully vague and evasive about everything, so
>it's hard to say what's what. I do have his physical location nailed
>down to a certain one of the fifty states, and it's an odd one.
>
>I asked him about his scheme of capitalization, and this was the best
>answer I could get from him: "as far as why i capitalize things i do it
>to EMPHASIZE things that should be stressed, i know that you can do this
>with html but i am too lazy, hehe."
>
>Yes, he stays true to his form, even in email. The upshot is, I gave him
>his account, and he's all squared away with that.
>
>What an odd fellow!
(This is CP0030)
From: cptroll
) and pioneer an entirely PICTOGRAPHIC version (http://ilovebacon.bla-bla.com/noway/112100c.shtml ).
To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
Subject: Re: [k22320inchfan] why the internet rules
Date sent: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:29:43 -0500
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
(This is CP0037)
Did you get that from ilovebacon.com? Because if you did, then I'm disappointed you didn't note how those industrious Germans are at it again. Who else could pick up on the failure of dogs to read their 'no pooping' signs (http://ilovebacon.bla-bla.com/noway/110300.shtml
Without such innovation at home, it's little wonder Amerika is scraping
the bottom of the corporate barrel abroad.
jlb <jlb@io.com> wrote:
>http://www.d111.k12.id.us/BHS/BHS.htm
(This is CP0037)
From: cptroll
To: <k22320inchfan@methlab.nothing.org>
Subject: Re: [k22320inchfan] New Debian advertisements, by me!
Date sent: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:55:53 -0400
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@methlab.nothing.org
(This is CP0025)
Hey, you missed part of her armpit. She's a statue with a living,
breathing armpit. I'm trying to find some irony there, but I can't.
Otherwise, jolly good show.
Craig McPherson <craig@laceyonline.com> wrote:
>I've done some unofficial new advertisements for Debian Linux.
>http://users.ipa.net/~cmcpher/newad.jpg
(This is CP0025)
From: cptroll
;-)
/bots have become pretty
To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
Subject: Re: [k22320inchfan] tell me when to stop
Date sent: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:38:49 -0500
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com (This is CP0039)
(This is CP0040)
Thanks, but you should give me a holler first, since I'm rarely bellow 40
(I was at 44 after a capricious 5-point mod-down with another -1 on top);
so +10 is overkill. While I'm beating this gift horse in the mouth, let
me complain that my bobo comment is still languishing at -1 and won't be
archived.
I'm still waiting for michael to get off his ass and accept this one:
2000-11-28 00:39:58 Yahoo, Mein Kampf, and Child Pornography
(yro,internet) It's been sitting in his queue for a day now.
=?iso-8859-1?q?Lunchtime=20Troll?= <lunchtimetroll@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>I had mod points on two accounts and I gave them all
>to Anne Marie as I saw that
>obsessed with her. Are there any other accounts that
>need a boost for the next time I have points?
>
>++tlt
(This is CP0040)
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=4682 572 ;but i drunk.5 437m enu=news.weirdworld.sexlife :(
<bc> hehe
<bc> god I suck
<bc> hey FI
<First_Incision> I will not discout the possibility that you suck.
<bc> A wise move FI
<abu_zeqqzeqq> bc: if craig is as fucked up as he seemse
<abu_zeqqzeqq> that will push him to new extremes...
<bc> hehee
<First_Incision> I never understood the stone women thing. Is osm still perving around somewhere?
<momocrome> http://www.clusterlizard.org
<momocrome> osm's site ^^
<bc> yes, though who knows what he's up to
<abu_zeqqzeqq> bc: change your nick to "Abu'l Hayjeh "
<momocrome> he has a bunch of uninspired match.com pseudo-trolls
<momocrome> picking on hapless, lonely women
<bc> that irc log is hilarious
<dmg> that takest the biscuit
<bc> [bc] vlad... i'2 type 'mo
<dmg> I laughed
<momocrome> post the text to 20721
<momocrome> stir the pot a bit
<momocrome> I am going to rise to their baiting
<momocrome> even thoughI haven't been singled out
<bc> haha
<bc> I must read more now
<bc> county: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=467
<ivan> Ignore the superfluous comma.
<bc> does that seem accurate to you?
<ivan> All of them =)
<ivan> thx
*** First_Incision is now known as fi-away
<ivan> I can't say, bc. I didn't read it.
<ivan> Should I?
<bc> Yes, you should
<ivan> Haha!
<abu_zeqqzeqq> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_686841.html?
<ivan> It almost looks real.
<ivan> The one problem is that shoeboy is LOLing too much and Vladinator isn't doing it enough.
<bc> I'm kind of insulted. It represents me as a pathetic drunk with delusional fantasies that I'm liked by females, and that seems entirely untrue
<abu_zeqqzeqq> gratuituous kylie pictures. Proof Allah(SWT) and Mohammed (PBUH) are REAL
<ivan> It does seem entirely untrue that you're liked by females.
<abu_zeqqzeqq> bc at least you are worthy of parody
<bc> hehe
<abu_zeqqzeqq> some of us are become stalinesque non-persons.
<abu_zeqqzeqq> airbrushed out of trolling history
<ivan> abu and I didn't even get noticed
<bc> craig&osm&trollaxor prolly still like you, dmg
<ivan> "Where's the part where Barry Corrington slags on Jin Wicked for half an hour then kisses her ass when she logs in?"
<ivan> Has Jin ever been in here?
How's that for a candid look inside MS's culture? The guy likes to work with people, likes to talk to people and doesn't explode in an irrational fit when someone says "Linux." No wonder he didn't fit in.
Buy the President
That latest one is too long to read... ...3 466
<wsl3> We need something new in there already...
<wsl3> Hey, I know...
<wsl3>
<county> Generally, yes, Sulla.
<wsl3> Much better.
<county> And when I do talk to women I'm attracted to, I'm just biting and cutting.
<wsl3> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=468
[dmg] "http://www.jang-group.com/thenews/sep2002-weekly/ iqra-20-09-2002/#3" ;but i drunk.2 572m enu=news.quirkiesm enu=news.weirdworld.sexlifem enu=news.weirdworld.sexlife5 437m enu=news.weirdworld.sexlife :( :-) :(m enu=news.weirdworld.badtaste :\
[dmg] "The Holy Prophet (Sall Allaho alaihe wasallam) used to joke, but he never said anything but the truth in his jokes. "
[dmg] "trolling with the truth" is a halal Islamic technique....
[dmg] there we have it.
[dmg] Trolling is sanctioned by Allah (swt(
[momocrome] wonderful
[bc] haha-haaa
[bc] that irc log is hilarious
[dmg] that takest the biscuit
[bc] [bc] vlad... i'2 type 'mo
[dmg] I laughed
[momocrome] post the text to 20721
[momocrome] stir the pot a bit
[momocrome] I am going to rise to their baiting
[momocrome] even thoughI haven't been singled out
[bc] haha
[bc] I must read more now
[dmg] "In "al-Adab al-Mufrad", Bukhari reports from Bakr bin Abdullah, who said: "The Companions of the Holy Prophet (Sall Allaho alaihe wasallam) used to throw melon-rinds at one another, but when the matter was serious, they were the only true men."
[dmg]
[dmg] "
[dmg] So its OK to throw melon rinds at people ?
[momocrome] it is comical, in fact
[dmg] The more I read about Islam, the less it makes sense.
[dmg] that sounds like slapstick humor.
[dmg] do you think custard pies would be ok ?
[momocrome] God Willing, I will get you with this melon rind!
[dmg] are there any hadith on this ?
[momocrome] No you shall not, God Willing!
[dmg] LOL
[momocrome] I like the way they can become the only true men at a moment's notice
[bc] it's amazing how they STILL go on about perdida
[dmg] http://www.world-sex-records.com/sex-076.htm "The Hardy Cocks of Upper Egypt"
[shoeboy] I need to go home
*** dmg is now known as abu_zeqqzeqq
[shoeboy] but I haven't put in 8 hours
[abu_zeqqzeqq] "In the Kinsey survey of more than 5000 men, three or four were found who could ejaculate by deliberately concentrating on sexual fantasies, without any genital manipulation - "In such a case the psychic stimulation is entirely responsible for the result." Two or three males in a thousand are able to suck their own penises to achieve orgasm and ejaculation. "
*** cyndrekit is now known as cyn-away
[abu_zeqqzeqq] http://www.world-sex-records.com/sex-054.htm
[bc] Contemplating suicide everyday, Barry someday hopes to either grow the testicles to off himself or to fall in love with some fat-ankled trash-eating Scottish sow. I don't see a difference between the two fates, but anything is better than not being to tell a dirty joke.
[bc] hahaha
[bc] oh god
[bc] trollaxor is great
[abu_zeqqzeqq] "Masturbation is said to be so widespread among both married and unmarried Muslim females throughout Africa and the East that "it is commonly regarded by the menfolk as customary and matter-of-fact" (A. Edwards & R. E. L. Masters, "The Cradle of Erotica"). "Rubbing" or "pounding" is considered a natural manifestation of feminine nature - for "women's passion is ten times greater than man's." In this spirit it has been suggested
[abu_zeqqzeqq] http://www.world-sex-records.com/sex-040.htm
[bc] hehe
[abu_zeqqzeqq] I feel abused and left out.
[abu_zeqqzeqq] nobody cares enough to parody me.
[bc] wow, and actual troll on listed on trolltalk, only after I've read 200 posts
[bc] 200 posts bashing perdida, adequacy, and everyone in here (but dmg)
[bc] dmg: I never used to get bashed, then I banned trollaxor from here and put him on ignore
[momocrome] I get no love neither
[bc] so that's what's prolly sparked off the names and shite
[abu_zeqqzeqq] I actually like trollaxor's stuff.
[abu_zeqqzeqq] especially the LGC
[abu_zeqqzeqq] momocrome: its just not fair.
[bc] SIR!!! (Score:0)
[bc] by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13, @11:12AM (#4660016)
[bc] I apologize for revealing your personal information. I try very hard, I truly do, but sometimes my overzealous urges take the better of me. Jesus will not be pleased. I have much contemplating to do regarding Christ and sitting in front of Slashdot all day being a prick.
[bc] SIR, I AM SARRY!!!
[bc] Have a nice day,
[bc] Craig McPherson
[bc] LOL
[abu_zeqqzeqq] tee hee
* bc decides to post a comment
[abu_zeqqzeqq] Did you see my repsonse ?
[abu_zeqqzeqq] about the 10" cocks ?
[bc] I guessed that was you! it was fun
[abu_zeqqzeqq] We need to post a load of ludicrous links to people with the same names.
* bc writes post designed to provoke craig
[bc] Is this a good idea? prolly not, but I don't care
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[abu_zeqqzeqq] hey First Incision
[First_Incision] hello
[First_Incision] who be ye?
[abu_zeqqzeqq] i am dmg
[First_Incision] ok
[abu_zeqqzeqq] abu zeqqzeqq is an Islamic name
[abu_zeqqzeqq] meaning "the father of thrusters"
[First_Incision] haha
[bc] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=468
[bc] hehe
[bc] god I suck
[bc] hey FI
[First_Incision] I will not discout the possibility that you suck.
[bc] A wise move FI
[abu_zeqqzeqq] bc: if craig is as fucked up as he seemse
[abu_zeqqzeqq] that will push him to new extremes...
[bc] hehee
[bc] I like the idea of adding together his fetish for stone women, and his religomania
[momocrome] heh
[First_Incision] I never understood the stone women thing. Is osm still perving around somewhere?
[momocrome] http://www.clusterlizard.org
[momocrome] osm's site ^^
[bc] yes, though who knows what he's up to
[abu_zeqqzeqq] bc: change your nick to "Abu'l Hayjeh "
[momocrome] he has a bunch of uninspired match.com pseudo-trolls
[momocrome] picking on hapless, lonely women
[First_Incision] clusterlizard, that sounds familiar for some reason. Is that from that "lexx show"?
[momocrome] yes
[momocrome] he has a thing for the first female lead
[abu_zeqqzeqq] http://www.world-sex-records.com/sex-105.htm
[momocrome] it is one of the sections
[abu_zeqqzeqq] Abu'l Hayjeh who deflowered eighty virgins in a single night,
[shoeboy] I shouldn't follow your links, bc
[shoeboy] Click the really excited choir boy!
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[bc] hehe shoeboy
[county] hey folks
[abu_zeqqzeqq] hey county
*** bc is now known as Abu
*** Abu is now known as Abul_Hayjeh
*** Abul_Hayjeh is now known as Abu`l_Hayjeh
[Abu`l_Hayjeh] that works
[Abu`l_Hayjeh] hi county!
[county] fuckin muslim
[Abu`l_Hayjeh] ]:(
[county] what
[Abu`l_Hayjeh] I did deflower 80 virgins in a single night, county
[Abu`l_Hayjeh] I am due some respect
[abu_zeqqzeqq] fuck off, infidel
[abu_zeqqzeqq] I am the "father of thrusters"
[county] i bet
[abu_zeqqzeqq] #adequacy is teh Islamic IRC channel
[abu_zeqqzeqq] no INFIDELS ALLOWED
[abu_zeqqzeqq] pick an islamic name, or piss off.
[county] well its luky that im a muslim tehn
*** shoeboy is now known as Mohammed_Iqbal
[county] then
[Mohammed_Iqbal] I went to middle school with a Mohammed Iqbal
[Mohammed_Iqbal] don't think he set any sex records
[Mohammed_Iqbal] but then again, I didn't ask
[Abu`l_Hayjeh] hehe
*** Abu`l_Hayjeh is now known as badmash
[abu_zeqqzeqq] Mohammed Iqbal is one of the best URDU poets
*** First_Incision is now known as Abdullah
[abu_zeqqzeqq] but it probably wasn't the same guy you were at school with.
*** Abdullah is now known as Abdullah_Camel
*** county is now known as ivan
*** Abdullah_Camel is now known as First_Incision
[abu_zeqqzeqq] Al-Quaida, Infidels, Zionist, Dirty Bomb, Great Satan etc etc etc
[abu_zeqqzeqq] Did you know that Saddam Hussain's favorite sweets are "quality street" ?
[ivan] i wouldve marked him as an m&m man
[abu_zeqqzeqq] http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_672471.html?
[abu_zeqqzeqq] there you go.
[abu_zeqqzeqq] !Tariq Aziz puts HP Sauce on every dinner!
[ivan] are muslims allowed to have sex?
[abu_zeqqzeqq] "After returning from a meeting with Saddam last month Labour MP George Galloway revealed the dictator offered him Quality Street chocolates and spoke of his admiration for British buses."
[abu_zeqqzeqq] Saddam has obviously never been on a British bus in his life...
[abu_zeqqzeqq] http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_709336.html?
[abu_zeqqzeqq] "Oral sex is not adultery"
[ivan] ive noticed that here in seatlte an awful lot of carsw ant to get hit by a bus
[ivan] theyre utterly stupid around them
[abu_zeqqzeqq] http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_700505.html?
[abu_zeqqzeqq] "
[abu_zeqqzeqq] Some male lawmakers are demanding rights to sex be guaranteed in the domestic violence legislation.
[abu_zeqqzeqq] "
[abu_zeqqzeqq] The Minister claimed that some people turned into gays and lesbians because they did not get enough heterosexual sex.
[abu_zeqqzeqq] "It is all because of sexual denial. As a biology teacher, I know how the body functions," he added
*** cyn-away is now known as cyndrekit
[ivan] That's brilliant. Men beat their wives because they refuse sex, so make giving sex required by law!
[badmash] genius indeed
[ivan] What about those of us who can't manage to get married?
[ivan] Aren't we entitled to sex?
[ivan] I should hope so.
[abu_zeqqzeqq] that would be sinful
[abu_zeqqzeqq] and against Allah (SWT)
[ivan] Well, in an abstract sense I would hope so.
[abu_zeqqzeqq] The penalty is stoning to death.
[ivan] I'm terribly afraid of sex, so I don't think it would matter if I were legally entitled to it.
[abu_zeqqzeqq] I suggest you substitute your sexual urges with the urge to pray...
[abu_zeqqzeqq] until you are married.
[ivan] Substitute the urges... How obvious!
*** badmash is now known as bc
[ivan] "Man, do I ever want some sex." "No. You want to pray instead." "Oh, OK."
[ivan] I think one of the secrets of Islam's success must be its keen grasp of psychology.
[abu_zeqqzeqq] Islam rules.
[ivan] No, kidding. Go Islam!
[ivan] woohoo
[abu_zeqqzeqq] you can deny it all you like, but it is the only religion truly in touch with human nature
[bc] county: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=467
[ivan] Ignore the superfluous comma.
[bc] does that seem accurate to you?
[ivan] All of them =)
[ivan] thx
*** First_Incision is now known as fi-away
[ivan] I can't say, bc. I didn't read it.
[ivan] Should I?
[bc] Yes, you should
[ivan] Haha!
[abu_zeqqzeqq] http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_686841.html?
[ivan] It almost looks real.
[ivan] The one problem is that shoeboy is LOLing too much and Vladinator isn't doing it enough.
[bc] I'm kind of insulted. It represents me as a pathetic drunk with delusional fantasies that I'm liked by females, and that seems entirely untrue
[abu_zeqqzeqq] gratuituous kylie pictures. Proof Allah(SWT) and Mohammed (PBUH) are REAL
[ivan] It does seem entirely untrue that you're liked by females.
[abu_zeqqzeqq] bc at least you are worthy of parody
[bc] hehe
[abu_zeqqzeqq] some of us are become stalinesque non-persons.
[abu_zeqqzeqq] airbrushed out of trolling history
[ivan] abu and I didn't even get noticed
[bc] craig&osm&trollaxor prolly still like you, dmg
[ivan] "Where's the part where Barry Corrington slags on Jin Wicked for half an hour then kisses her ass when she logs in?
[ivan] "
[ivan] Has Jin ever been in here?
[bc] not afaik
*** abu_zeqqzeqq is now known as Abu_Zeqqzeqq
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] bc: don't lie
[bc] ?
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] "she" is here right now
[cyndrekit] oh my god this is hallarious
[bc] is she?!?
[ivan] Abu is Jin Wicked!
[ivan] I knew it.
[ivan] I always told you guys, but you wouldn't listen.
[bc] Abu has a UKian IP address
[bc] has Jin moved to UKia?
[ivan] Yeah, for better or worse, Jin is a real person.
[ivan] And she's not here.
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] Jin is BC
[bc] I didn't see you there Jin. I just wanted you to know, I love your site
[ivan] She is one of those girls you've attracted, though, bc.
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] everyone knows that
[ivan] Everyone is wrong.
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] jin, stop playing around and attention seeking.
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] you are fooling noone
[ivan] Right, everyone is fooling themself.
[bc]
[ivan] bc isn't Jin.
[ivan] bc isn't luisa, either.
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] yeah, like I am going to believe a troll on #adequacy
[ivan] It's easy to spot bc's real alternate identities, because they're all exactly the same.
[ivan] UE talked exactly like LAT, who talked exactly like KTB, who talked exactly like HW.
[ivan] HW, with a Scottish accent!
[ivan] Well, that was quite the sight.
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_691682.html?
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] The apartment where suicide pilot Mohammad Atta lived and plotted the September 11 attacks is to be turned into an "art happening
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] what about Paget-Paget ?
[ivan] Forgot about that one.
[bc] they were all subtly different
[bc] I can't help it if you have no reading skills
[ivan] HW constantly saying "realise" was the best.
*** Lumpen (guest@cloaked.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #adequacy
[bc] eh?
[ivan] Howdy, Lumpen.
[Lumpen] Hasn't the joke gone on long enough?
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] what joke ?
[ivan] Likely. Which joke, though?
[bc] what joke?
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] *BSD is dying ?
[Lumpen] The blank page
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] what blank page ?
*** cyndrekit is now known as cyn-away
[Lumpen] http://www.adequacy.org
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] thats not blank
[Lumpen] Looks blank to me.
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] it is actually RGB value #D7D7D7
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] which is patented by adequacy.org
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] and if you wait long enough
[Lumpen] Yeah, yeah.
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] you will see some content
[bc] no dmg, it is more
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] I assure you
[Lumpen] So how long do I have to wait?
[bc] the grey colour varies between values #D6D6D6 and #D8D8D8
[bc] encoding a binary string of information
[ivan] Nerd talk alert.
[Lumpen] I think two months is long enough pretending you're gone.
[bc] that holds the entire adequacy site, accessible to the chosen few
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] who is pretending ?
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] keeping a quality site like adequacy going was never easy
[Lumpen] Ha, ha, ha.
[Lumpen] Very funny.
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] adequacy is dead. Fact.
[ivan] Well, unfortunately, Lumpen, the Adequacy editors were so damn lazy that even between the forty or fifty of them, they couldn't produce one article a week.
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] dead as BSD
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] ivan: I no longer work for free.
[ivan] Yeah, but do you work it for free?
[Abu_Zeqqzeqq] what ? speak English.
[momocrome] Towards More Powerful Porn: Psychology, CGI and Gradients of Stimulation
[momocrome] sound like a compelling article?
[momocrome] great!
[Lumpen] So Adequacy is just an irc channel now?
[ivan] Is it completed?
[momocrome] no
[momocrome] I just thought of it
[ivan] This channel shouldn't even be called #adequacy, really.
[momocrome] maybe I can use the QPT Editorial Service
[ivan] Mostly it's just bitching at, about, and by women.
[Lumpen] Because it isn't?
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[First_Incision] I think adequacy is a great name for this channel
[First_Incision] Since it is now mostly about people contemplating their (in)adequacies
[ivan] Yeah, "people."
[ivan] Why don't you just say "ivan." We all knew what you meant, anyway.
This is TealMicrodot again, still filling in for my friend, the original Microdot, who is having some trouble with an IP-Ban at the moment. He was right about the rampant censorship happening here. Deleted accounts, IP bans, comments being entirely deleted rather than just hidden, weird stuff going on so that certain comments are visible when not logged in but invisible to logged in users -- this is Democracy? We have proof of all of this, and we're compiling all the evidence we get.
Anyway, here's the hyena information you requested:
Female hyenas are virtually indistinguishable from males. Their clitoris is enlarged and extended to form an organ of the same size, shape, and position as the male penis. It can also be erected. Their labia have folded up and fused to form a false scrotum that is not discernibly different in external form or location from the true scrotum of males.
It even contains fatty tissue forming two swellings easily mistaken for testicles. Authors of the most recent paper on spotted hyenas found the appearance of males and females so close that sex could only be determined with certainty by palpation of the scrotum. Testes could be located in the scrotum of the male compared with soft adipose tissue in the false scrotum of the female.
If you really are a proponent of 'the best tool for the job' dogma, you would want to sort out your web site (isn't that a tool?), so it doesn't ask me to upgrade the latest version of the most advanced web browser. Ugrade to what - IE?
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=4682 572 ;but i drunk.5 437m enu=news.weirdworld.sexlife :(
<bc> hehe
<bc> god I suck
<bc> hey FI
<First_Incision> I will not discout the possibility that you suck.
<bc> A wise move FI
<abu_zeqqzeqq> bc: if craig is as fucked up as he seemse
<abu_zeqqzeqq> that will push him to new extremes...
<bc> hehee
<First_Incision> I never understood the stone women thing. Is osm still perving around somewhere?
<momocrome> http://www.clusterlizard.org
<momocrome> osm's site ^^
<bc> yes, though who knows what he's up to
<abu_zeqqzeqq> bc: change your nick to "Abu'l Hayjeh "
<momocrome> he has a bunch of uninspired match.com pseudo-trolls
<momocrome> picking on hapless, lonely women
<bc> that irc log is hilarious
<dmg> that takest the biscuit
<bc> [bc] vlad... i'2 type 'mo
<dmg> I laughed
<momocrome> post the text to 20721
<momocrome> stir the pot a bit
<momocrome> I am going to rise to their baiting
<momocrome> even thoughI haven't been singled out
<bc> haha
<bc> I must read more now
<bc> county: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=467
<ivan> Ignore the superfluous comma.
<bc> does that seem accurate to you?
<ivan> All of them =)
<ivan> thx
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<ivan> I can't say, bc. I didn't read it.
<ivan> Should I?
<bc> Yes, you should
<ivan> Haha!
<abu_zeqqzeqq> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_686841.html?
<ivan> It almost looks real.
<ivan> The one problem is that shoeboy is LOLing too much and Vladinator isn't doing it enough.
<bc> I'm kind of insulted. It represents me as a pathetic drunk with delusional fantasies that I'm liked by females, and that seems entirely untrue
<abu_zeqqzeqq> gratuituous kylie pictures. Proof Allah(SWT) and Mohammed (PBUH) are REAL
<ivan> It does seem entirely untrue that you're liked by females.
<abu_zeqqzeqq> bc at least you are worthy of parody
<bc> hehe
<abu_zeqqzeqq> some of us are become stalinesque non-persons.
<abu_zeqqzeqq> airbrushed out of trolling history
<ivan> abu and I didn't even get noticed
<bc> craig&osm&trollaxor prolly still like you, dmg
<ivan> "Where's the part where Barry Corrington slags on Jin Wicked for half an hour then kisses her ass when she logs in?"
<ivan> Has Jin ever been in here?
This is TealMicrodot again, still filling in for my friend, the original Microdot, who is having some trouble with an IP-Ban at the moment. He was right about the rampant censorship happening here. Deleted accounts, IP bans, comments being entirely deleted rather than just hidden, weird stuff going on so that certain comments are visible when not logged in but invisible to logged in users -- this is Democracy? We have proof of all of this, and we're compiling all the evidence we get.
Anyway, here's the hyena information you requested:
Female hyenas are virtually indistinguishable from males. Their clitoris is enlarged and extended to form an organ of the same size, shape, and position as the male penis. It can also be erected. Their labia have folded up and fused to form a false scrotum that is not discernibly different in external form or location from the true scrotum of males.
It even contains fatty tissue forming two swellings easily mistaken for testicles. Authors of the most recent paper on spotted hyenas found the appearance of males and females so close that sex could only be determined with certainty by palpation of the scrotum. Testes could be located in the scrotum of the male compared with soft adipose tissue in the false scrotum of the female.
This is pathetic. Linux is better positioned than any other OS right now to derail the Windows desktop juggernaut, restore genuine choice to the average computer user, and restrain MS's monopolistic actions. But nothing has or will happen in that market segment, because it requires too much change and too much non-sexy work from the OSS coders.
Five or ten years from now, when Linux is still a strong server and embedded OS, but nothing more than a curiosity on the desktop, the OSS crowd will have no one to blame but themselves. It's an immense opportunity, and it's slipping away as we watch.
Thoughout history, many names have been used to describe those who are on the wrong moral path in life: coward, criminal, fiend, monster, vagrant, lunatic. It's without question that William Scott Lockwood III is all of these things, but these are things that can be forgiven. William Scott Lockwood III's sins run deeper.
In many cultures, the greatest moral offense a man can commit isn't murder, robbery, rape, arson, or even blasphemy. In these cultures, there's a word for someone who is even lower than the murderers and rapists, because he has demonstrated with clear finality his lack of moral character. This one word, never used carelessly, reserved only for the lowest of the low is oathbreaker.
Many societies value personal honor, honesty, and integrity above anything else. People can make mistaks, and still maintain their honor if they take accountability for their actions. But the oathbreaker is the lowest of the low, never to be forgiven, and never to be trusted. This is because he has voluntarily sacrified the only thing that every man brings with him into the world, and the only thing that every man (hopefully) takes with him into the grave: his honor.
When a man's honor is gone, he has nothing.
Ladies and gentlemen, William Scott Lockwood III has nothing. If our society were still built on the concept that a man's word is sacred and that honoring others with the truth is a noble goal, William Scott Lockwood III would be dead right now.
A man's word is his bond, and when he breaks his word, he's no longer a man at all. He's worse than a coward, worse than a liar, and worse than a thief, but he's all these things and more. He's an oathbreaker.
In the past, oathbreakers become nonpersons. They stand below even murderers and thieves. Even beggars would not give or recieve comfort from an oathbreaker. Quite often, they were simply killed outright. Sometimes, they were merely cut off from honest society, trusted by no one, alienated until the day they died. After their death, their families were shunned and distrusted forever, because a man holds in his hand no only his own honor, but the honor of his family as well.
The Lockwood family has no honor left. The Lockwood family has no place in honest society, among civilized humans, because they have no honor, and they are not a part of civilization.
Killing an oathbreaker was considered to be an act of mercy, sending a tortured soul on to final judgement instead of forcing him to live an empty, hollow life.
Maybe it's time that we bring back the practice of killing oathbreakers, and ensuring that their bloodline does not propogate. Maybe a lack of honesty is what's wrong with our society. Maybe that's why everything is falling into chaos around us. When you can't trust a man's word, what basis is there for civilization?
I think upon consideration that you will agree: William Scott Lockwood III is less than a gentlemen, less even than a man, less even than a human, less even than an animal. William Scott Lockwood III is an oathbreaker.
From: cptroll
:)/ 30/5377/2018&pid=60#66
To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
Subject: Re: [k22320inchfan] Nice on jsm
Date sent: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:07:10 -0500
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
(This is CP0038)
Hmmm. In this case, is the correct course of action to mod them both up
to 5? Jsm just because, and trhurler in order to make him even more
self-righteous and egg him on? Or would it be more effective just to mod
jsm up and leave trhurler at none and make him cry favoritism?
Trhurler is one bitter fuck. On any given story, you can find him voting
-1. And his diaries, too.
James <spiralx@spazmail.com> wrote:
>Keep us the good work winding trhurler up on k5, immensely amusing
>watching him slowly getting more and more outraged at you
>
>http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=comments&sid=2000/11
>
>Funny as hell.
>
>J
(This is CP0038)
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[bc_dvd] bye
[momocrome] hi
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[county] Hi and bye to all of you, as appropriate.
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[county] cyndrekit, hello.
[cyndrekit] hello county
[cyndrekit] did bc actually get a dvd?
[cyndrekit] I am shocked.
[cyndrekit]
[county] I wonder what it is.
[me0w] Hello
[county] Greetings, me0w.
[me0w] Good day
[cyndrekit] hi hi
[em] http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/02
[cyndrekit] is there a story to go with it?
[em] yes
[cyndrekit] oh cool, found it
[em] the photo is just too cool.
* momocrome moans
[momocrome] too much drunk for one night
[county] It's not night!
[me0w] Soon it will be.
[momocrome] oh last night's what I mean
[county] You didn't seem that drunk.
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[wsl3] Has anyone in here actually had a child?
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[wsl3] Has anyone in here actually had a child?
[me0w] I have a cat
[me0w] She's kind of like a child.
[bc] hello!
[me0w] hi!
[bc] damn, missed cyn
[bc] that film was great
[county] What was it?
[bc] it was "Contact", county
[bc] I liked the way it explored revelatory experiences
[county] Have I mentioned that I've nursed an infatuation for Jodie Foster?
[bc] and scepticism as opposed to faith
[bc] you know what? I was just thinking about that
[county] About what?
[bc] I never really used to like her, because she seems quite sharp nosed and hard faced, in that way
[bc] but now, well, now I see. She seemed so vulnerable in that film
[county] I like well-defined faces.
[county] I can see why her's might be too sharp for you, though.
[bc] and you just wanted to protect her against the world
[momocrome] i hate kitten, but I am hung over and foggy headed
[bc] it is quite sharp, but I see beyond that now
[county] I like faces with character, not just formless fleshy masses, that so many other girls seem to have.
[county] Don't hate kitten, momocrome.
[county] There's no point.
[county] I just don't understand how he thinks he's different than the people he's always railing on.
[county] It's really funny, actually.
[bc] hehe
[bc] it's true, county
[bc] he constantly moans about people being "arrogant", or "narrow minded"
[county] I try to point it out now and then, but he just doesn't see it.
[bc] and you think "whaaa?"
[county] I think stouts are my favorite.
[bc] kitten is the most narrow minded & arrogant chap on the internet
[me0w] I am going out drinking tonight.
[county] One of my bus infatuations, the one who was being picked on, has a somewhat sharp face.
[county] Actually, I love her face.
[bc] I hope you have a voice of reason, me0w
[county] It's pretty, but not beautiful, by normal standards.
[county] But it just looks so carefully crafted, somehow.
[bc] is the sharp faced bus infatuation the same girl as the one with the limp?
[county] It looks like someone wanted her face to look just like that, and they invested endless time in carefully crafting it.
[county] You know what I mean?
[me0w] bc: I do, although this voice of reason is a little suspect
[county] (No, the limping girl is someone else, and she doesn't generally limp.)
[bc] why me0w, is this voice of reason American or something? I know you hate Americans. An American Voice of Reason would probably advice you to lick the most repugnant people in the room, as retaliation.
[bc] county: yes, I do know
[bc] interesting faces are nice
[county] When I see her, I want to hold her face in my hands and kiss it.
[county] But that's not a polite thing to do on a bus.
[county] You're wrong about us American's, bc. An American voice of reason wouldn't feel any ill will toward me0w, despite her hatred.
[bc] get to know her first, and do it later. Have her melt
[county] It would just feel sadness and hurt.
[county] "Americans"
[Sylvain] hey bc
[bc] county, my impression of Americans is that they are friendly and kind, and idealistic, but that if you cross them they take a just vengeance
[bc] hey em
[county] Cross us, yes. Simply hating us but doing nothing about it is not crossing us.
[bc] that seems fair enough
[bc] though who knows, me0w yank-hatred is such that it wouldn't surprise me to find she has crossed the line
[me0w] bc: this voice of reason has been my friend since HS, and on several occasions, while I was not quite in the right fram of mind, he got me to do silly things.
[county] It's mean and hurtful, yes, but that's not enough. We Americans only retaliate when actual harm is done.
[me0w] I do not have individual-yank hatred.
[county] I hope she hasn't crossed the line. America's wrath is great toward those who hurt her.
[bc] he sounds like a splendid chap, me0w. He should tell you to lick a lovely, yooung 16yo with lots of acne
[me0w] bc: He would tell me to go and make out with girls.
[bc] what?? That's only because he gets off on it himself, the weirdo perv
[county] Lesbian sex must be the least arousing thing in existence.
[bc] agreed, county, but I understand many chaps find it appealing
[county] But oh, man.
[county] This is nice.
[bc] generally ones with supressed homosexual urges themselves, I understand
[county] I have that warm, content feeling that comes with a few boozes and just finishing a delicious salami and pepper jack sandwich.
[bc] I want to have faith in something
[bc] I don't know what, but it seems to make people happy
[bc] so it must be worth a shot
[me0w] He likes to make me do these things and take pictures
[bc] he's sounding more&more sick
[county] What sort of things?
[me0w] He teases my SO with the pictures.
[county] I'm only asking so we can get a good idea of how sick he is.
[bc] "teases"? If I had a gf who french kissed girls in strange clubs, and a friend who took pictures of this and then showed them to me, I'd be jolly well angry, and likely explode in anger and start shouting at people
[bc] It takes all sorts, eh county
[county] I wouldn't want a girl that french kisses other girls.
[Sylvain] is it just me, or has this channel become too serious?
[county] This channel is a joke, Sylvain.
[bc] Sylvain, it's great. Since the regulars left, the channel has become more&more&more fun
[county] I like this channel. It's a lot of bullshit, a lot of heartfelt confession, and a lot of fighting.
[county] I can't think how it could be improved.
[bc] that's pretty much why I like it. What makes it tolerable is that a lot of the time, you can't really tell which is which
[county] For example, I quite like my online relationship with luisa.
[bc] serious? or bullshit? serious fight? bullshit fight? confession or or bullshit? fight? mixing it up to cause a fight? Who can tell.
[county] It's all fighting mixed with lies and truths.
[bc] I hope ubu has extensive logs of #kuro5hin
[bc] actually, do you, county?
[bc] going back a year or so?
[county] Well, I log whenever I'm in there.
[bc] I wish to find something
[county] I should point out that I've only been online for a month or so.
[bc] yes, but I understand you are friendly with someone who was here before, it was just on the offchance he gave you his logs
[county] Well, I have #k5 logs going back over a year, yes.
[bc] what size are they when zipped up would you guess?
[bc] nothing vast, right? not 50mb or something absurd?
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[bc] hello dmg
[dmg] whassup bc
[Sylvain] hey dmg
[bc] not much
[dmg] hey sylvain
[bc] I just watched "contact" dmg, which has led me to believe I need faith in my life.
[county] I have a bit over 100mb of #k5 logs, bc.
[bc] em probably hates that film, for its inclusion of arecibo and the airbrushing out of native 'Ricans, only mentioned in passing for their superstitious beliefs about the telescope
[bc] crap, that's loads county
[bc] bugger it
[dmg] contact ? Is that with whatshername from silence of th e lambs
[Sylvain] superstitious beliefs indeed
[bc] yes dmg
[dmg] I dont like her voice
[Sylvain] the visiting scientists don't leave ALL that much money as they think
[county] Silence, dmg.
[county] She is my infatuation of the moment.
[bc] yes. She was mine first though
[bc] I spent the film marvelling at her vulnerability
[county] I liked her before you watched the film, bastard!
[dmg] you would like "the accused" then...
[dmg] she is more vulnerable in that.
[dmg] I just cannot stand her voice
[bc] She only came to my notice during the film, really. She fits the archetype that I like in women, so it can be said that I have always liked her, as long as I have been alive.
[dmg] eurrgh
[county] Her voice, or her accent?
[dmg] her voive
[dmg] voice
[dmg] it just annoysh me
[county] I never found it annoying.
[county] hmm.
[dmg] itsh sho annoying
[bc] I like it. It seems to have a nice burr
[me0w] My SO's drunken sister keeps messaging me. =/
[bc] she's like a female sean connery
[dmg] bc: exactly
[dmg] she shertainly ish
[bc] me0w, give her my aim and tell her to msg me
[county] Have her msg me.
[bc] I think I'd enjoy talking to a drunken woman!
[me0w] bc: She is on Y!
[dmg] get her on #adequacy
[county] I want a drunk girl to torment.
[county] ARGH
[bc] that's okay, I'm on yahoo too me0w
[me0w] I don't think she knows how to irc.
[county] I WANT A DRUNK GIRL TO TORMENT SO MUCH
[me0w] She does use that horrible habbo hotel junk
[county] Huh?
[bc] trillian just connected me to aim, yahoo, msn and icq. Now tell her to msg me! My ID on yahoo is tinyp3a. DO IT.
[bc] I WANT TO TORMENT COUNTY SO MUCH
[county] ]:(
[me0w] Be nice
[county] I am a fragile angel.
[me0w] she is my future sister-in-law
[bc] I'm always nice
[dmg] trillian can connect to msn ?
[dmg] wow!
[dmg] I never realised that.
[county] bc steals every woman I want.
[county] Every one
[me0w] bc, I gave her your id
[bc] wow!
[bc] she really is drunk
[Sylvain] paste example
[dmg] bc is from www.girlfriendstealers.com
[county] dmg, he did steal my girlfriend.
[county] Actually.
[dmg] http://www.girlfriendstealer.com/
[bc] [censored]: helloo?1
[bc] tinyp3a: hello!
[bc] [censored]: howw s u?
[county] I can't believe I forgave him for that.
[me0w] bc, please keep in mind that she is only 17
[dmg] women come and go.
[county] dmg, I loved her!
[county] And bc stole her
[dmg] those are the breaks.
[dmg] bc is irresistible to women.
[dmg] he is like Sam Sloan in that respect
* Sylvain looks at a list of ebay sections, notices "charity"
[county] Yeah. And when I cut his hands and feet of, burn his face off with acide, and leave him to die, those will be the breaks, eh?
[dmg] well yes.
[county] "acid"
[dmg] bc takes full responsibility for his actions.
[bc] [censored]: LoL AWW U SHOULDA!!
[dmg] he is an anarcho-capitalist libertarian
* bc ROFL
[dmg] who was this woman anyway ?
[dmg] she cannot have been in love with you if she let bc steal her away
[county] me0w's SO's sister.
[bc] county, I asked to speak to her first
[bc] so I didn't steal her at all
[bc] she is verrry drunk
[county] I thought of it first, bc, but my intoxication is slowing down my typing.
[Sylvain] bc: i don't think that will appease county's perception of entitledness.
[county] Ask her for naked pictures of Jin Wicked, bc.
[dmg] I have some of those
[county] Yeah? Lucky you.
[dmg] she keeps crapflooding my mailbox with them
[dmg] attention-seeker.
[county] She's a pain, in that respect.
[county] And every other respect.
[dmg] its like,
[county] With no respect.
[dmg] stop spamming me with nude photos.
[dmg] If I wanted to see that sort of thing I would get a girlfriend.
[county] I want to see it, and I can't get a girlfriend.
[county] You're attractive, confident, and wordly.
[Sylvain] dmg: you'd get a girlfriend to see nude *photos*?
[county] I'm a geeky pud.
[dmg] no if I wanted to see nude women
[dmg] Id get a girlfriend
[county] Or you'd just sleep around. Slut.
[dmg] aha the old double standard
[county] Not all nude women were created equal, though.
[dmg] we are all equal in the eyes of Allah (SWT) apart from the Infidels
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[county] There's only one girl I want to see naked, actually.
[bc] damn
[bc] she's too drunk to realise that when I say I'm living under a glacier, I'm joking
* me0w giggles
*** Abu_Nidal is now known as dmg
[dmg] Scotland is an icy barren wasteland though, bc
[me0w] time for showering
[dmg] she could be forgiven
[Sylvain] bc maybe that's not drunkenness.
[bc] also, she speaks like a black Londoner with hyper estuary english
[Sylvain] it's perhaps stupidity augmented by adolescence and drunkenness.
[dmg] hold on one moment. if she is 17 and drunk, is she not guilty of an offence ????
[Sylvain] nope.
[dmg] Should not we be reporting her to the authorities
[dmg] ???
[dmg] or the person who supplied the alcohol
[bc] LOL
[Sylvain] somebody else is
[dmg] In the UK the alcohol age is 5
[dmg] for consumption in the home
[county] You must be kidding.
[dmg] how enlightened compared to our other stupid laws.
[dmg] no, its 5
[dmg] seriously
[county] Why have an age at all?
[dmg] Ill find a web page if I can to PROVE it
[county] Yeah, because web pages are always right!
[bc] she's away now
[bc] [censored]: BywebYE!!
[bc] which is sort of a relief
[bc] hehe
[county] I bet you got lots of fantastic drunken cybersex ]:(
[bc] don't be revolting county
[bc] I am a people person
[dmg] http://www.icap.org/pdf/report4updated.pdf
[bc] people interest me, and I like to find out all about them
[bc] there is no other motivation
[county] I'm not going to try to read through a pdf in this condition.
[dmg] one moment
[dmg] fucking cut-n-paste doesn't work
[county] I think I'd like another salami sandwish
[dmg] In bars and off-licensed premises the MDA and MPA are 18. The MPA for
[dmg] beer and cider is 16 when purchased for consumption with meals
[dmg] (except when in a bar). Children over five may consume alcoholic
[dmg] beverages at home with their parent's consent.
[bc] pdf sucks
[dmg] basically if you have cool parents you can get pissed once you start infant school
[dmg] but if you are over 18 and want to drink after 11pm, you are shit out of luck
[dmg] its a contradiction to be sure...
[Sylvain] there are some exceptions to alcohol laws here in USia IIRC
[Sylvain] e.g. it's allowed to give a child some wine if required by a religious ritual
[dmg] * In 19 states alcohol consumption by youth under 21 is not specifically
[dmg] illegal.
[dmg] ** Exceptions to the 21 law in some states include possession for
[dmg] religious purposes when accompanied by a parent, spouse or legal
[dmg] guardian; medical reasons; in private clubs or establishments; in the
[dmg] course of lawful employment by a duly licensed manufac
[Sylvain] e.g. catholic communion frequently involves a bit of wine.
[bc] I remember when I first got drunk
[bc] I thought "I want to spend the rest of my days in this condition"
[bc] it was a revelation
[bc] I think I have found my faith already
[dmg] I was about four when I first got drunk. on Babycham believe it or not. My mum did not realise it was alcoholic
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[bc] I had a good swig of scotdch when I was 6 months old and got drunk
[bc] that was quite impressive. I saw the glass of double scotch, grasped it in two hands, and swigged it right down
[bc] well, I can't in truth remember if it got be drunk, or anything about it at all, but I'm sure it must've
[dmg] thats pretty funny
[dmg] you could have died however.
[Sylvain] he wouldn't have understood it.
[bc] nah, I took it like a baby
[Sylvain] no trauma for him
[Sylvain] what's the problem with dying when you're a perfectly innocent being?
[Sylvain] it's only when we grow old and come to appreciate that life is valuable that we have a problem with it
[county] I am a perfectly innocent being.
[dmg] what about original sin ?
[Sylvain] 16:31 [ county] I WANT A DRUNK GIRL TO TORMENT SO MUCH
[bc] you'll note he didn't actually do it, em
[bc] county has control of his desires
[county] I actually don't even think I wrote that.
* Sylvain sings: Nwel a rive pou nou pa pedi lespwa nou!
[county] The wind has really picked up here.
[county] It's almost violent.
[dmg] im going to bed
[dmg] its past my bedtime
* bc bought a bottle of Appleston Estate 40 year old today,Sylvain
[dmg] bloody IRC
[bc] night dmg!
[dmg] night night everyone
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[county] What's that, bc?
[Sylvain] bc: wow.
[bc] it's an excellent rum
[Sylvain] how much was it?
[bc] a bloody fortune
[Sylvain] fuck. the oldest rum i've ever had is 12 years.
[county] Ah, a rum.
[Sylvain] any words on how good it is beyond "excellent"?
[county] The oldest rum I've had was also 12 years.
[bc] it tastes nice. Older rums seem to become more whiskyish, somehow, it is hard to explain
[bc] much more complex
[county] Now you just need some forty year old coke.
[bc] it is aged in the tropics, too
[bc] apparantly that means it ages more rapidly
[bc] at about 3x the rate of a spirit aged in, say, canada
[bc] anyway, I don't know. It tastes very nutty, somehow
[Sylvain] but how expensive was it?
[bc] em: £10,000
[bc] http://www.canoe.ca/LifewiseFoodWine01/0314_winew
[Sylvain] yeah, right, like you have 15,795.99 USD
[bc]
[bc] it's really nice with coke though!
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*** bc was kicked by Sylvain (Trolling is strictly forbidden in this channel.)
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[bc]
[bc] wouldn't that be lovely though?
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[bc] I'd be scared to drink it
[bc] hey iat!
[iat] hey bc
[iat] whassup bc?
[bc] not much
[bc] how's the online dating scene going? =)
[iat] i finally got rid of my woman. she came to get rid of her shit from my flat this evening. i'm getting pissed and then tomorrow im gonna get on with my life
* county sighs
[bc] dmg was telling me about it, er, your troubles with her
* county weeps
[iat] dmg said you're coming to london next month
[iat] heh, someone gave her rohypnol last night!
[county] That's horrible.
[iat] i don't know who would be fucked up enough to waste good rohypnol on her
[bc] did he? He's wrong. I was going to, but something disastrous happened. I may come in January, but not december, that's been off for ages due to commitments
[iat] bah, we all want to meet you
[iat] what did dmg say about me/it/her?
[bc] hehe. I'll come down sooner or later
[bc] he was talking about how you met her on match.com (!)
[bc] which reminds me, I have to search march.com insanely to find her
[iat] yeah, it's either that or start fucking my secretary. i saw it as the lesser of two evils
[me0w] bc, And how was she?
[bc] there really can't be that many overweight, red headed, goth girls from london on mach.com
[iat] you'd be surprised
[county] No more than twenty or so, I'd guess.
[bc] me0w: very drunk. Spoke in estuary english. Seemed good natured though, through the disgraceful mists of her underage drinking
[iat] btw, you forgot moustachiod
[iat] otoh, there are no biologists with pds living in edinburgh on match
[bc]
[county] Why on earth did you even have anything to do with her, iat?
[bc] I found one I liked on match.com
[me0w] bc, She is a nice girl
[iat] county: i wanted to get my redhead fetish out of the way
[bc] but I'm not showing her to you iat, you'd steal her
[iat] i wasn;t sure if the "ginger pubes" thing was a liberal myth
[me0w] bc, I think there is a picture of her in my gallery
[iat] of course i'd steal her, i'm a stud
[bc] heh me0w. She seemed nice. Drunk for sure, drunk as a Lord, it was terrifically amusing
[me0w] bc, Unfortunately her typing doesn't get much better
[iat] bc: where's your bondage pr0n collection stored on aq?
[county] A stud? You seem like a poorer middle class fellow, somewhat on the ugly side.
[iat] upper middle class, only slightly ugly thank you
[iat] but, i am hung like a mouse
[iat] emr, moose
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[Sulla] me0w, are you trying to say that she mayn't have been drunk at all, or was only tipsy, and that she isn't really too different when sober?
[Sulla] iat: I forget. I never look at it, and it isn't "my collection"
[me0w] bc, She was drunk.
[iat] whose collection is it then?
[me0w] bc, But when she is sober I often have a dificult time understanding what she is saying.
[Sulla] it is me0ws and I put it there cos perdida wanted it for some story relating to 80's bdsm pornography for her site
[me0w] bc, she likes to type in some sort of sms speak
[Sulla] hehe
[Sulla] that would explain whey she says "da" for "the"
[me0w] bc, ahaha you still have those pictures?
[iat] who is me0w anyway? there's all these new faces since i last frewuented #aq?
[Sulla] me0w yes, and embrassingly, someone posted the link into my diary and made all sorts of insinuations
[Sulla] mind you, since I've claimed to be a rapist on k5 before it isn't like I can sink much lower
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[iat] anyway bc, you never told me where you keep it
[me0w] bc, and they weren't even good pictures
[Sulla] iat, me0w is this bird wot came here from #k5 who is quite nice and stuff, though canadian (french)
[county] Does me0w speak french?
[Sulla] iat, I'll look out the url
[iat] i work with a REAL french canadian, her mother's french and her father's canadian. she's never been near "french candian" territory
[county] Sulla, so you really do have a bondage porn collection?
[county] I thought that was myth.
[Sulla] http://www.adequacy.org/images/bc/violate.me.uk/p
[Sulla] it's not my fucking collection!
[Sulla] jesus H christ
[me0w] bc, you know, I've never actually looked at all of them
[county] Yeah, whatever.
[iat] it appears to be quite a copmorehensive collection bc
[Sulla] there are perfectly legitimate reasons the pics are there
[county] So you find this appealing, bc? http://www.adequacy.org/images/bc/violate.me.uk/p
[Sulla] me0w, neither have I
[Sulla] I just looked at some funny 80's ones
[me0w] bc, I looked at the ones that perdida pointed out
[Sulla] http://www.adequacy.org/images/bc/violate.me.uk/p
[Sulla] I'm sorry, that makes me laugh and laugh
[county] These are amusing and sexy at the same time. I love it!
[Sulla] anyway, when I can be bothered, I'll delete the whole lot
[me0w] bc, was there a series of hunchback pictures?
[Sulla] yes me0w
[Sulla] the "bonk" series
[Sulla] http://www.adequacy.org/images/bc/violate.me.uk/p
[Sulla] that's also pretty damned hilarious
[county] I'll give you $728 for all these pictures, Sulla.
[Sulla] some of them are funny, but all the rest are just crude and nasty
[Sulla] county, it's a deal!
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[county] Fantastic!
[bc] I love the leer on the guy's face
[bc] so cheesy
[me0w] county, I could just mail you the cd they came from
[bc] that's a nice offer, eh county? You should accept
[county] The truth is, I like nothing more than pictures of bound and tormented women.
[county] However, I prefer not to post my mailing address in the channel.
[bc] then msg it to me0w
[county] Msg? I don't know what you mean by that.
[bc] liar
[county] Oh, that hurts
[bc] iat has gone quite quiet since I posted the link, eh?
[bc] I wonder what he is doing?
[iat] heh
[me0w] Wanking?
[iat] smoking and drinking
[county] I'm wanking.
[county] How could I not?
[county] All these photographs of naked women tied up!
[county] It's paradise, from my perspective.
[iat] i love smoking
[iat] i just wish it didn't cost so much
[bc] I thought you were a health freak?
[iat] not these days
[bc] good move
[bc] welcome to the "cool set"
[iat] the pressures of work have turned me into a nicotine-fuelled anorexic
[county] I have never, ever smoked.
[county] I probably should.
[bc] you'd like it
[iat] i have never, ever smoked crack
[bc] everybody with an addictive personality should have many addictions
[county] I don't have an addictive personality.
[bc] You do. Oh god you do.
[bc] You are always looking for a hit
[county] Explain!
[county] I'm addicted to little.
[county] Just alcohol and that girl from work's ass.
[bc] you don't just talk to people. You have angles, you attack and duck and weave, you seek the high of torture and humiliation of others in everything you say
[county] No
[county] Not others, women.
[county] I only want to hurt females.
[county] Please keep that straight.
[bc] You do it to vlad often enough, phoneboy
[me0w] I dunno what to wear
[county] Oh, that's different.
[iat] bc: will you stop saying "humiliation"? the "iat" bit interrupts my mp3s by making acidmax make sounds
[bc] hehe, okay iat, I didn't realise I said humiliation so often
[county] My motivation for tormenting vlad is entriely different than my motivation for tormenting, say, luisa.
[bc] me0w, wear leather and stuff
[bc] I don't know
[county] me0w, dress chastly.
[county] It's incredibly sexy.
[bc] me0w, wear a denim skirt with a sort of white lacery around the pockets that looks lovely and homely, and a black t-shirt above that is slinky and just has strap things over the shoulders so it is more of a dress, really.
[bc] let your hair hang down forward over your bosom, to each side, following the contours perfectly
[me0w] bc, I don't own any denim skirts
[me0w] and I only have a leather corset
[bc] hmmmn
[county] I told you, me0w.
[iat] bc: what happened to your general knwoledge bot?
[county] Dress chastly.
[county] It will draw guys like you can't believe.
[bc] wear a turqoise top, that is very close fitting and very slightly see-through, revealing a white bra underneath on the edge of awareness, and making men think you are less calculating and more genuine than those other dolled up girls. Underneath, wear black trousers that are practical looking though ladylike, covered in pockets
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[bc] iat: It's on my hard drive. I got bored with it and moved onto other things
[county] The white bra is a good idea.
[iat] what are you coding now, j00 1337 hax0r j00?
[me0w] bc, I don't own a turqoise top
[county] When I see a white bra, my instinct is to assume it was displayed on accident, becuause my tendancy is to feel white-bra-clad people are pure and innocent.
[me0w] and I don't know if I have a white bra
[county] ]:(
[me0w] wait wait
[me0w] I found a white bra
[bc] I'm writing a new peer2peer filesharing system that will specialise in text, pdf and html documents that the man would like to keep down. it will allow you to search for strings inside the text body, and return results, google like, that show the context
[bc] zool me0w!
[county] she had a blue bra, it was lovely. I hate it now, though I loved it then!
[bc] okay, do you have any slightly see-through tops at all?
[county] Oh god, she looked lovely in it.
[bc] what we are going for here is the thrown-on, unsophisticated but lovely look
[me0w] I have a whole collection of see through wear
[me0w] but I don't think it would be appropriate for the places I'm going this evening
[county] "see-through" should be hyphenated.
[iat] bc "the man" doensn't care about text files
[bc] bugger appropriate. Look like a lost fawn in the wilderness
[bc] he does, iat, more than any other media
[iat] approprIATe interrupts my mp3s. plz stop tnx
[me0w] these pants require a thong
[bc] my filesharing network will have terrorist plans, blueprints, and government leaks and such
[bc] and books
[iat] no-one will use it for anything other than war3zing books
[bc] I will provide that service. It's more than a filesharing network, I intend it to be a peer-2-peer knowledge base sort of deal
[bc] you can do context searches and it will return a few paeges or a chapter from a book say
[bc] and it will allow a wikipedia type self editing bit
[iat] how long have you been programming?
[bc] but everything will be peer-2-peer, the whole encyclopaedia
[iat] aargh, not wikipedia!
[bc] not like that, but that's the model. Imagine a wikipaedia not located on any machine, but spread across a peer-2-peer netowrk. it could hold the Truth, regardless of what government or corporate law tries
[bc] it's a powerful concept for political and informational insurgency
[iat] there is no TRUTH
[bc] you state that like it is a truth
[bc] well, it's not!
[iat] of course
[iat] there is not truth... even to say that is not true... but to say its not true is also not true
[bc] it won't hold any particular truth, many truths and narratives
[bc] it shall be thoroughly decentralised and beyond the control of anyone, that is the point
[county] Quite right, bc. There are many truths, in this modern age.
[bc] must smoke
[iat] why not smoke then?
[bc] I'm ahead of you, iat
[iat] i've smoked 19 since 7:30 and have just 1 left
[bc] wow that's lots
[county] are there just 20 in a pack/:?
[iat] yeah, how many did you think there were?
[bc] yes, unless you get Rothman's Royals
[iat] oh yeah
[bc] which have 24, for some reason
[county] iat, I've never smoked.
[iat] or 10 packs, but you can't get those in usia
[bc] just think iat, if you had got Royals, you'd have 5 left now
[iat] heh
[me0w] I have a favour to ask
[iat] but they wouldn't taste half as nice as mmy marlboro lights
[bc] what's that me0w?
[bc] yuk
[me0w] bc, I need an opinion
[bc] I don't like Marlboro lights. I'm a Dunhill man
[me0w] bc, you know what my site currently looks like right?
[bc] yes
[bc] yes I do
[iat] dunhill?
[me0w] bc, ok
[bc] I browse it every 20 minutes
[iat] dunhill are for poor people, eight?
[iat] erm, right even
[bc] they are not for poor people
[bc] just the opposite
[iat] heh
[iat] my marlboro light costs me 4.70 a pack
[iat] beat that
[bc] this one has a more traditional bloggy feel me0w, but won't it mean the front page won't change as radically so often? I suppose I like it better in that you can see the previous articles, but less in that the front page doesn't periodically change radically, so that you don't know what will appear. It's prolly more sensible though
[bc] also, the right hand side seems wider somehow
[bc] mine cost £4.95
[bc] suck it!
[bc] and that's without inflated london prices
[iat] bah
[bc] it must be the pics making the right wider
[iat] that's stupid
[me0w] bc, the pics do make it wider
[iat] are dunhills those ones that have the wide packets that don't fit in your pocket?
[me0w] bc, this new system is a modifed blogger
[bc] those are dunhill internationals, iat, which I often get too, and are about £5.40
[iat] i know a gay guy who smokes the methol ones of those
[iat] draw your own conclusions
[bc] I see. Well, me0w, it makes the site less characterful and "homebrew", but probably more sensible and easier to navigate
[bc] depends what you want I suppose
[bc] iat, menthols of any stripe are for the less manly
[iat] heh. yeah
[bc] same as marlboro lights
[bc] female student's smoke, that
[iat] bah
[iat] marlboro lights are for those people who smoke but dont want to admit it to themselves
* momocrome has a crush on Siân Phillips
[iat] which does cover many female students i guess
[bc] you should have a commenting system me0w
[bc] what an ego-site then!
[bc] who, momocrome?
[bc] she sounds suspiciously welsh
[bc] I hope you haven't started liking welsh people
[momocrome] welch
[bc] I might have known it
[bc] poor momocrome
[iat] "mr blue sky, please tell us why you had to hide away for so long!"
[bc] ??
[iat] i'm singing
[bc] I thought it was some sort of prayer
[iat] no, it's ELO
[bc] oh
[bc] Electric Light Orchestra?
[iat] bah, i'm in danger of losing my lightweightedness
[iat] i've had 8 bottles of stella and am not feeling tired
[iat] yeah, electric light orchestra
[iat] i've always wondered how the words fit togeth in that phrase
[bc] you should try yourself spirits now that beer doesn't provide the kick it once did
[iat] is it: electric... light orchestra, or electric light.... orchestra?
[bc] look at county, he was drinking spirits insanely, now he is probably unconscious
[iat] i don't like spirits, they give me a hangover
[bc] try a clean ethanol-only spirit then
[bc] like vodka
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[iat] an "ethanol only" spirit is surely pure ethanol
[bc] I mean, a spirit without any methanol
[bc] methanol is bad for hangovers
[bc] wine has loads of it
[iat] do they normally put methanol in spirits?
[bc] especially red wine
[bc] and the murkier spirits
[bc] iat, methanol is a natual alcohol of the fermentation process
[bc] there's usually much less of it than ethanol, but most drinks have it to varying amounts
[iat] is it? methanol is just a shorter carbon chain right?
[iat] can you get pissed off methanol?
[bc] I think so. Maybe longer, damned if I know
[bc] yes you can
[bc] it's an alcohol
[bc] but it gives you a much worse hangover
[momocrome] you'll go blind instantly when you get drunk off methanol
[iat] methanol is CH2OH from memory
[bc] which is why booze that has more of it gives you a worse hangover
[iat] ethanl is CH3CH20H
[bc] but generally they have little, but still enough for headaches
[bc] wine for example, I think only 5% of the alcohol in it is methanol
[bc] I forget, but a small amount
[iat] i'm fine off white wine, but red wine gives me shokcing headaches the morning after, as does guiness
[iat] oh dear, craig's gone mad again
[bc] red wine is the worst
[bc] iat: where?
[iat] 20721
[bc] I must look
[bc] I sort of provoked him
[iat] was it you stirring shit bc?
[momocrome] i have done my part as well
[iat] shame on you, vlad must be eliminated
[bc] I did a post attacking craig, yes
[bc] saying he should fantasise about he petrified virgin mary
[bc] and iat, goddamnit, phoning up vlad and stuff is totally over the line
[bc] and he's an insane fucker!
[iat] heh, what about garden gnomes?
[bc] no not me
[momocrome] it is actually illegal behaviour
[momocrome] but more than that, it is supid
[momocrome] suuupid
[momocrome] stupid
[bc] damned right
[bc] and not only that, the fucker posted all our names to the sid
[momocrome] this isn't trolling, it is thug-like cruelty
[bc] fuck him!
[iat] informal #adequacy poll. should iat have another drink?
[bc] yes momocrome
[bc] and yes iat
[iat] 1) no, he should sleep
[momocrome] yes, iat
[momocrome] 2) yes, iat
[iat] 2) no, he has no more fags, and booze with no fage makes iat sad
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[iat] 2) yes, he still has too much booze to fit it into his cupboards
[iat] 4) yes, he's still not pissed
[iat] 5) yes, why not:?
[momocrome] pop up to the corner chop and procure a acket of fags
[iat] which one?
[iat] corner shop is not only closed. but it's on the common council estate
[momocrome] do you have a crowbar?
[FcmfAC] Ah, well.
[iat] if i had some rizlas, i could smoke my fag butts again
[FcmfAC] It's going to go down in flames.
[iat] more booze it is then
[FcmfAC] http://www.kuro5hin.org/displaystory/2002/11/16/2
[iat] bc, can you dcc me some fags?
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Session Close: Sat Nov 16 20:16:23 2002
Session Start: Sun Nov 17 23:05:59 2002
*** Now talking in #adequacy
*** Topic is ' I remember when I first got drunk || I thought "I want to spend the rest of my days in this condition"'
*** Set by Sylvain on Sat Nov 16 18:51:55
shhhh
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Session Close: Sun Nov 17 23:06:59 2002
In Soviet Russia Linux prefers Microsoft!!
If you just got 'pushed out' of your employer then is it any surprise that your giving them negative publicity?
Come on, Rick... You can pronounce it... GNU! GNU! GNU!...
It would be a great leap for mankind if ex-MS employee calls the OS GNU/Linux.
From: cptroll
To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
Subject: Re: [k22320inchfan] new blood.
Date sent: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:46:24 -0500
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
(This is CP0003)
Barry Corrigan is fine by me. We need some scottish blood.
>Would anyone object to Kiss the Blade joining (or at
>least being invited to join) the list?
>
>He has been posting some pretty nice stuff, and I have
>spoken to him on #trolls a number of times and he
>seems OK.
>
>++tlt
>
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk
>or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie
(This is CP0003)
From: Ceee Peee
/. after a long series of trolls, it's time to whore [the queue] again.
/. ever was. My intentions and hopes aren't to destroy k5 but to become a watershed event in its history, fit to go into next year's year-in-review. Looks like I'm succeeding.
To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
Subject: Re: [k22320inchfan] the real anne marie stood up
Date sent: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:24:36 -0800 (PST)
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
(This is CP0016)
Agreed, but I have to find better ones. As much as I liked the dementia-causes-popmusic-preference one, the k5 crowd just didn't care. Like on
One of these days I'm going to write an op/ed meta story called "Hi, I'm Anne Marie. You're all hypocrites." But I think I'll hold back, now.
BTW, the ktb=educatedescort cries are hilarious, at least to me. Soon, rusty'll have to change k5's motto to "Technology and culture from the trenches and stuff about Anne Marie". I'd feel remorse, but a) I like the attention and b) I give k5 more credit than that; it's more resilient than
--- jlb wrote:
> As those of you who are interested have probably
> already seen, the real
> anne marie has posted a story on k5 saying that
> she's not the AM account
> on k5 or slashdot. She apparently put something in
> the html source of her
> educatedescort site saying as much.
>
> My advice to cp: keep posting stories like nothing,
> at all, has changed.
>
> -lb
>
> --
> "Is this real?"
> "Does it matter?"
>
(This is CP0016)
From: "80md"
To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
Subject: Re: [k22320inchfan] Evil enemies of Liberty
Date sent: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 00:36:06 EST
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>From: "Craig McPherson" <craig@laceyonline.com>
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>I've heard that outside the United States, those are the only five sports
> that exist (Soccer, Polo, Spooning, Curling, and Snuckers), and I don't
>even know what the HECK four of them are.
Well, it's easy to understand why they do these things: They're undernourished, because they don't have much food out there in all the poor countries. So the average foreigner is about four foot six, maybe five feet tops, and they weigh about eighty pounds. Their teeth tend to fall out, and their bones are brittle as hell because they don't have milk. That's because their "commissars" took all their cows away. So you see, these poor "Europeans" as they call themselves, and the "Canadians" and whatnot, all these people are frail weaklings. They have no knowledge of freedom either, because they don't have a Genesis Document guaranteeing their rights, and they're given to sodomy and other degenerate practices because they've never been exposed to Christianity. Christianity is banned in Europe, did you know that? It's true. The Socialists always ban religion when they seize power. Of course, the Europeans were never free to begin with, so they don't know any better. They've always been slaves. It's all the same to them.
So their poor diet, their atheism, their slavehood, and their homosexuality have robbed them of their strength and their manhood. Therefore, they play girl games like Snuckers, Privet, and Gloon. While we eat our peas for the souls in Purgatory, they HAVE no peas. They limply push a ball around a field, with no manly, bone-crunching collisions to build their flaccid
characters. Where even our most girlish pseudomen play tennis, they teach badminton to their soldiers.
>Man, we need to get rid of those other countries. They want to abolish
>our sports and force us to play homosexual female sports like Polo and
>Spooning, whatever they are.
It's sad, but true. In fact, we'd only be putting them out of
their misery. They'd thank us if they understood.
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"Harry Browne seems to think he knows me personally --
I get a letter from him every week asking for money."
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In Soviet Russia Rick Belluzzo prefers YOU!
LA VIE BOHEME
Restaurant Man: No please no, not tonight please no, mister - can't you go - not tonight - can't have a scene!
Roger: What?
Restaurant Man: Go, please go; You - hello, sir - I said, "No", Important customer!
Mark: What am I - just a blur?
Restaurant Man: You sit all night - you never buy!
Mark: That's a lie - that's a lie, I had a tea the other day
Restaurant Man: You couldn't pay!
Mark: Oh yeah.
Collins: Benjamin Coffin III -- here?
Restaurant Man: Oh no!
All: Wine and beer!
Maureen: The enemy of Avenue A. We'll stay.
Restaurant Man: Oiy vey!
Collins: What brings the mogul in his own mind to the Life Cafe?
Benny: I would like to propose a toast, to Maureen's noble try. It went well.
Maureen: Go to hell!
Benny: Was the yuppie scum stomped? Not counting the homeless, how many tickets weren't comped?
Roger: Why did Muffy --
Benny: Alison!
Roger: Miss the show?
Benny: There was a death in the family if you must know.
Angel: Who died?
Benny: Our Akita--
All: Evita!
Benny: Mimi - I'm surprised, a bright and charming girl like you, hangs out with these slackers, (who don't adhere to deals). They make fun - yet I'm the one attempting to do some good, or do you really want a neighborhood where people piss on your stoop every night? Bohemia, Bohemia is a fallacy in your head. This is Calcutta; Bohemia is dead.
Mark: Dearly beloved we gather here to say our goodbyes Here she lies, no one knew her worth, the late great daughter of mother earth, on this night when we celebrate the birth, in that little town of Bethlehem, we raise our glass - you bet your ass to - La vie Boheme
All: La vie Boheme, La vie Boheme, La vie Boheme, La vie Boheme.
Mark: To days of inspiration, playing hookey, making something out of nothing, the need to express - to communicate, to going against the grain, going insane, going mad. To loving tension, no pension, to more than one dimension, to starving for attention, hating convention, hating pretension, not to mention of course, hating dear old mom and dad! To riding your bike, midday past the three piece suits, to fruits - to no absolutes - to Absolut - to choice - to the Village Voice - to any passing fad!
Maureen: Is the equipment in a pyramid?
Joanne: It is, Maureen
Maureen: The mixer doesn't have a case. Don't give me that face!
Mr. Grey: Ahhemm.
Maureen: Hey Mister - she's my sister!
Restaurant Man: So that's five miso soup, four seaweed salad, three soy burger dinner, two tofu dog platter and one pasta with meatless balls.
Boy: Ugh!
Collins: It tastes the same
Mimi: If you close your eyes
Restaurant Man: And thirteen orders of fries. Is that it here?
All: Wine and beer!
Mimi & Angel: To hand-crafted beers made in local breweries, to yoga, to yogurt, to rice and beans and cheese, to leather, to dildos, to curry vindaloo, to huevos rancheros and Maya Angelou.
Maureen & Collins: Emotion, devotion, to causing a commotion. Creation, vacation--
Mark: Mucho masturbation!
Maureen & Collins: Compassion, to fashion, to passion when it's new
Various: To Sontag, to Sondheim, to anything taboo. Ginsberg, Dylan, Cunningham and Cage, Lenny Bruce, Langston Hughes, to the stage! To Uta, to Buddha, Pablo Neruda, too. Why Dorothy and Toto went over the rainbow to blow off Auntie Em. La vie Boheme!
Maureen: And wipe the speakers off before you pack!
Joanne: Yes, Maureen
Maureen: Well - hurry back!
Mr. Grey: Sisters?
Maureen: We're close.
Various: Brothers! Bisexuals, trisexuals, homo sapiens, carcinogens, hallucinogens, men, Pee Wee Herman, German wine, turpentine, Gertrude Stein, Antonioni, Bertolucci, Kurosawa, Carmina Burana. To apathy, to entropy, to empathy, ecstasy
Vaclav Havel - The Sex Pistols, 8BC, to no shame - never playing the Fame Game-- to marijuana! To sodomy, it's between God and me... to S & M.
Benny: Waiter...Waiter...Waiter
All: La vie Boheme!
Collins: In honor of the death of Bohemia an impromptu salon will commence immediately following dinner... Mimi Marquez, clad only in bubble wrap, will perform her famous lawn chair-handcuff dance to the sounds of iced tea being stirred.
Roger: Mark Cohen will preview his new documentary about his inability to hold an erection on high holy days.
Mark: Maureen Johnson, back from her spectacular one-night engagement at the eleventh street lot, will sing Mative American tribal chants backwards through her vocoder, while accompanying herself on the electric cello - which she has never studied.
Benny: Your new boyfriend doesn't know about us?
Mimi: There's nothing to know.
Benny: Don't you think that we should discuss --
Mimi: It was three months ago.
Benny: He doesn't act like he's with you.
Mimi: We're taking it slow.
Benny: Where is he now?
Mimi: He's right -- hmm. Where'd he go?
Mark: Roger will attempt to write a bittersweet, evocative song. That doesn't remind us of "Musetta's Waltz"
Collins: Angel Dumott Schunard will now model the latest fall fashions from Paris while accompanying herself on the 10 gallon plastic pickle tub.
Angel: And Collins will recount his exploits as an anarchist - including the successful reprogramming of the M.I.T. virtual reality equipment to self-destruct, as it broadcast the words: "Actual reality - Act Up - Fight AIDS"
Benny: Check!!
Mimi: Excuse me - did I do something wrong? I get invited - then ignored - all night long.
Roger: I've been trying - I'm not lying, no one's perfect. I've got baggage!
Mimi: Life's too short, babe, time is flying. I'm looking for baggage that goes with mine
Roger: I should tell you --
Mimi: I've got baggage too --
Roger: I should tell you --
Mimi: I got baggage too --
Roger: I should tell you --
Both: Baggage - wine --
Others: And beer!
Mimi: AZT break
Roger: You?
Mimi: Me. You?
Roger: Mimi...
It's time to add Rusty Foster to "the list" of people who shouldn't be breathing.
Kuro5hin, "the democratic news site", has abandoned all pretenses of Democracy and has gone into full Fascist/Censorship mode.
These are the recent deeds of Kuro5hin.org:
1. Deleting numerous comments entirely, circumventing the site's established ratings procedure. Many of the comments deleted were highly rated at the time of deletion, indicating that THE PEOPLE wanted them to stay.
2. Disabling numerous user accounts. Many of these accounts were disabled before they even posted anything.
3. Enacting IP bans against several users, and adding additional IP bans as these persecuted people kept changing IPs to avoid censorship.
4. Deleting many diaries, including several that contained no abusive/offensive content, for no reason and with no warning or notice.
5. Keeping all this secret, because Rusty Foster knows he would be lynched by his readership if his Nazi-like practices were evar revealed.
Disabling dozens of accounts... deleting dozens of comments... banning dozens of IPs and several entire subnets... is this Democracy??
Rusty Foster is going to be second against the wall when the revolution comes, right behind his gay lovebuddy William Scott Lockwood III.
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"I'm Rick Belluzzo and I'm the former president and chief operating officer of Microsoft Corp."
www.linux.com/switch
Wow, Linux is being used in a product that Windows isn't even targeted towards. I don't think that Microsoft cares too much if linux is used in these types of devices. Especially when they still own 95% of the desktop market.
Oh, Microsoft cares all right. But they are fighting an uphill battle against free-and-open in that space. MS has lost a lot of ground to Linux there, is continuing to lose more, and there's really no hope of a comeback.
Actually, those componentized versions of windows were very much the right idea, and Microsoft had an advantage there for a while.
Have you got your LWN subscription yet?
the truth of the matter is that Pocket PC devices are much bigger and more expensive products because the operating system is bloated. It has a lot of stuff that is a holdover from the PC days that simply is not necessary in the enterprise or anywhere else.
Palm, Handspring and Sony control 81.1% of the market. Compaq, Casio, and Dell (newcomer) combined, control 12.6% of the market.
PocketPC is loaded with proprietary bullshit and makes the conversion of documents a living nightmare.
You lose, Microsoft fanboy.
They're also proof positive that MS can happily componentize windows when it wants to. The whole trial was a joke...
Matt Thompson - Actuality - Insert product here.
I was writing code on the PC at Microsoft and it was like beep beep beep. And then, like, half my code was gone, and I was like, huh?
... bummer.
It devoured my code. It was really good code. Then I had to write it again and I had to do it fast, and it wasnt so good.
So, like, Bill fired me for that crappy code. It was kind of a
My name is Rick Beluzzo, and I'm a Linux user.
What the fuck?
How is this informative? He doesn't have fucking numbers to back it up.
In an attempt to get modded up I will to spew general hype.
Microsoft Dominates the Web Server segments worldwide and is taking unices by storm. A vision that was originally called bloated and overpowered is proving otherwise. Linux as a webserver is nearly extinct, because there are only 2 people who use it. There is Carl in Germany, and some Dutch dude who works at the grocery store. The rest have dropped the Apache and switched to virus proof IIS.
Articles like this point out just how desperate the Linux community is for approval and validation. "Oooh look, an ex-Microsoftie is using Linux!! That must mean he thinks it's better!! We rock!!"
No. An employee of Microsoft, who may or may not have liked the company's software, is now working for another company, which happens to use Linux quite a bit. And he may or may not like the new company's software better. He'll use whatever gets the job done, be it Microsoft, Linux, or paper-and-pencil.
-Thomas
And before breaking Silicon's will to live, he "aligned" HP with Intel. Meaning: Starting HP down the slippery slope from PA-RISC to Itanic. This guy is a menace to UNIX!
I was hoping he would stay with Microsoft the rest of his days, but apparently they sent him out on another search-and-destroy mission. I bet that before long, he'll "align" Quantum with microsoft, switch their appliances to Windows, and bancrupt the company....
The guy seems a bit short sighted..
As he says.. linux is modular and goes great with embedded/prepackaged devices..
yet it wont make it as a desktop replacement..
to me it seems like all desktops will end up being embedded/pre-packaged devices (solid state thin clients?) so if thats going to be the case.. then LINNUX WILL BE the desktop of the future...
"Consider how lucky you are that life has been good to you so far. Alternatively, if life hasn't been good to you so far
Speanking of MS, does anyone know where I can DL that one video of BillyG and a few other folks at some press conference (or whatever it was) where this one guy makes a joke about BillyG making CTRL+ALT+DEL popular? I know it was posted here a while back, and I've googled for it, but I can't find it. Anyone know where it is?
(Yes, I'm using my +2 (a rare occasion) so more people can see this honest question. Also, yea, I know, I'll get modded down, I've been capped for a over a year, so...)
I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man,
I'm just a mortal with potential of a super man.
Rick started at HP and at point ordered 350K engines from canon. He then later went to canon and apologized to the workers who were being laid off. For that screw-up, HP promoted him to being in charge of HP' desktop computers, where he merged the unix desktop and desktop system together. He managed to kill the Unix desktop, while saying that he would build it up. When his division was headed down, he went to SGI, where he did his best to destroy irix and SGI. He left MS when their numbers are starting down (yes profits are up, but numbers are down). Now, he is at Quantum, where he has sold off half the company, and it was running Linux. MS is knocking on the door. Guess which road rick will go down? I predict that Quantum will be gone in about 2 years or less.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
My problem? I was perfectly gruntled, until some numbnuts came by and dissed me.
All too much these discussions become one big linux-commercial (or even some kind of holy war between Microsoft and GNU/Linux users). I guess the man is right when he says use the right tool for the right job. If the GNU/Linux OS on one point will satisfy your needs better than a Microsoft OS use is. On the other hand if a Microsoft OS fullfils your needs, use it too
Why can't we all just get along?
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He's from SGI, is it any surprise he likes *nix better than Windows? I still don't know why MS hired him. The guy was a personality-less bozo that did sqat in his time at Microsoft.
Maybe the real motivation behind his comments to the press is to influence any of the negotiations that may be ongoing between Microsoft and Quantum. Remember that only a couple of weeks ago, there was a story on how Microsoft gave subsidies to people who mentioned Linux while haggling over software licenses. Maybe these comments are in the same vein?
The site www.quantum.com is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windows 2000. FAQ
So much for his Linux support or "right tool for the right job approach".
Can you say lip service ???
"Corporate rock still sucks. What are you gonna do about it?"
Wow, a ex-M$ using Linux...what a non-story. We going to see any stories about Linux users who dual boot over the lack of quality Linux apps or would that be too controversial? Yeah, mark it as a troll...consistency is worth it.
You want to know who isn't running Firefox 2.x? They spell it "definately" and "rediculous".
If I worked for Ford and drove a Ford, then Ford fired me what do you think I'd be driving?
he's being paid to prefer it. Hopefully, no confusion exists on that point.
This Christmas, don't be a Scrooge, be sure to only give genuine GOATSE!
declared she likes Windows better since it's an
American operating system and not a terrorist's
first choice.
-J
I was working for Microsoft and I made a ton of money. It was good money but then I realized I could make even more money by working for Quantum. So now I work here. I think they use Linux here. I had a rough discussion with Steve Balmer before leaving. ... bummer....
I am Rick Belluzzo and I am the former chief operating officer of Microsoft.
You can't handle the truth.
This guy has too many "x" marks. At HP he was selling printers. How hard is it to sell HP printers. At SGI he made a feeble attempt to sell NT workstations. (that idea started before he arrived BTW) His main claim was to change the logo and the name. Wow! The branding study cost $10 million. Nice job if you can get it. On to MS. Initially he was involved in selling cars on the internet. (internet used car salesman) They booted him up and then out. So he's the chameleon and will say anything. If it was OS/2 he would say the same thing. He's reading from a script.
http://tinyurl.com/3t236
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I wonder if anybody who ever worked for a "linux company" now either uses a Microsoft product or works for Microsoft. Wouldn't THAT be crazy??
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But they are fighting an uphill battle against free-and-open in that space
.NET, while on the other end they're pushing Websphere and J2EE.
One thing that should be pointed out is that with Windows PocketPC, for instance, the Platform Builder basically includes the source code for the entire platform, and you tailer the build to target your device/system (and of course you can change anything in the code that you want). Open source, in that you can modify it, but not free.
However it should be noted that this idea that Windows had the market and Linux is not taking it is incorrect: A slew of `proprietary' OS' owned embedded devices, but then Windows, and pretty much at the same time Linux, decided to get in it. Microsoft has had a hard time mostly because they're Microsoft: A lot of companies won't partner with them because they are branches of companies that compete with Microsoft in other areas (one of those pitfalls for both companies in that their strategy open remains static across the organization).
You know that points out one of the best companies for avoiding those sorts of constraints on their decisions: IBM. IBM has always impressed me in that they're looking out for IBM (which is what all companies should be doing): They push Linux from one side while building high end Windows servers in another. They'll partner with Microsoft for
I remember SGI was trying to get into the big internet server market.
In those days, and somewhat before, SGI already had a big chunk of the Internet server market. Not for small sites, or for providers who host small sites, but for giant sites like Travelocity. As far as I know, Travelocity still runs on IRIX.
The NT thing was an attempt to get into the broader desktop workstation market. SGI saw which way the wind was blowing, but they reacted the wrong way. They sold complete PCs-- clunky, overpriced, and incompatible. That business model completely failed for SGI, just as it failed for Intergraph a couple of years later. (And it then failed for SGI again when they bought Intergraph's workstation business. What goes around comes around, I guess.)
It's a shame that SGI couldn't have figured out a way to put Infinite Reality on a PCI card-- and sell it for $5,000-- in 1997. They might have owned the professional workstation graphics market, and maybe even the low-end gamer market, by now. Instead, though, they got the idea in their heads that system bandwidth was more important on a PC than interactive graphics performance. Which just turned out not to be true.
Ironically, SGI now has the ability to put Infinite Reality-class graphics on a PCI card. The Fuel uses V12 graphics (which are comparable to IR in a lot of ways) on a modified PCI bus. Unfortunately, the world has moved on, and it's too late.
I write in my journal
Yes, use what will get the job done.
No, don't just use what will get the job done. That's engineering at its most primitive, but you can do better. What about the next job, that may be similar? Will it get that job done easily? Is it maintainable? What about when it stops getting the job done in a couple years, after you're gone? Can it be fixed? What if the "job" changes? Deciding whether or not these are issues, and whether or not a solution addresses these issues, is something engineers should think about.
All that is still just things related to the specific computational task you expect the solution to perform. There are tradeoffs beyond that space that, despite being an engineer, are valid to consider.
Other questions, like is the ability for the solution to get the job done dependent on one company? What are the costs of dealing with that company? Will I be locked in to using that one company's products? If that company stops supporting my solution, what are my options?
I'm not saying you're wrong that people should consider more than one solution, and use what is appropriate. I'm just arguing that "getting the job done" is not the only thing that should be considered, and that as a result what appears to be blind allegience may not be.
For example, Venezuela's government is considering more than just "getting the job done" when they decide to use Open Source. The mandate to use it across government is based on those non-technical aspects of their situation that can only be satisfied by open products. It's not blind allegience, it's pragmatism -- the same engineering tradeoffs made in our jobs every day -- based on more than just technical aspects.
Or for myself, I simply value Free in my software where I will take a Free solution over non- even if the Free doesn't -technically- perform as well.
Again, I'm not disagreeing with your main point, that each situation may be different and the decision should be made not on what tech you like, but on what is best. I'm just saying "best" can be based on more complex things which seemingly drive out other solutions as if they are not considered.
The enemies of Democracy are
He did in fact say he thinks Linux is a better fit for his company because in his view, it is extremely modular, can be modified to do whatever they need it to do, and it is free.
I think it's safe from that comment that he thinks Linux is good, don't you think?
He also said if Microsoft offered him something that met his needs better than what linux could do, he'd re-consider their products then.
Also, with all the FUD coming from Microsoft these days about Linux, I don't think it's uncalled for to point out that not everyone who comes from there toes the Ballmer line like a Borg drone. Linux is an exceptional fit for solving many problems; reminding people of that is a necessary thing to do since Microsoft is increasingly resorting to below-the-belt tactics to try to slow down its adoption.
Do not spread "09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0" over the internet, thank you.
This is the same guy who became CEO of SGI and was in negotiations with MS almost the entire time he was there, then gave no notice to SGI when he quit.
This is the same guy who supposedly told the SGI board of directors that "It's too hard to be CEO of SGI" after running the company into the ground in an amazingly short period of time.
This is the same guy who "helped" SGI lose a significant part of their already niche market by forcing the company to switch platforms away from what they did best.
I wonder how much MS is paying him for what he's doing now? But I'm not bitter.
"Suppose you were an idiot..... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeate myself."
is this? If you try to access the Quantum website anything else that MSExplorer, you get a nice popup: "We have determined that your Web browser and/or computer's operating system may not support the navigation system of Quantum.com. We recommend that you either upgrade your Web browser to the most recent version or use our site map to browse our site." As Explorer is not available for Linux -thanks god ;D- that means that Quantum workers cannot access their own website...
I think this proves they were lying in every concievable sense. There is already a product available which will componentize Windows 98/98SE/ME, and the same company is working on doing the same with 2k/XP.
If I could get away with as much prejury as Microsoft, I'd be able to do all sorts of fun stuff.
"I accuse you of robbing the bank!"
"It's impossible for me to have robbed the bank!"
"Oh. Very well. Here's a slap on the wrist(With a healing rod) and a few bucks for your troubles."
It's been a long time.
D'oh! My HTML is gone!
www.litepc.net is the evidence.
It's been a long time.
From the interview, when asked how his style, while at Microsoft, was different from others:
People outside the company liked working with me. For example, if someone raised the subject of Linux, I didn't jump up and scream. I said, "Talk to me about why you like Linux, and let's talk through this."
This is telling. IMO, if 'linux' is a scream-inducing word at Microsoft, then the company must be really scared. After all, screaming is an irrational, emotional response that doesn't lend itself to effective problem-solving.
'Intellectual Properties' are uncontrollable in the wild. To base an economy on them is just stupid.
Yet Quantum's site launches a popup window to tell Mozilla users their browser may be incompatible. If they are going to use Linux, shouldn't they support the popular Linux browser?
That is pretty much my point, "dumb", as I've used it, includes "lazy" and potentially includes "impatient", however I think the point that most end users don't want to learn something new and challenging needs to be made. Its just a fact, not a value judgement (well, not entirely).
You just made a judgement that has no value!
The "dumb" bit lets companies which provide services that do everything for you prosper.
Actually they are smart to so this. Unless the person will profit in some resonable way, why should that person spend their free time fighting with a unsupported hardware,software when they could spend that time doing somthing with their family, promoting or working on their business, etc, etc. Like you said, they buy software, hardware that the company did everything for them.
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?mode_u=off&mo de_w=on&site=travelocity.com
The site travelocity.com is running Netscape-Enterprise/4.1 on Solaris 8.
I just looked at a Quantum Guardian 4400 NAS device recently.
It's a 1U rackmount system with four IDE drives, a custom motherboard that sports a 1Ghz PIII and two onboard gigabit ethernet controllers, usb, a serial port, and two onboard promise IDE controllers.
The NAS boots linux (a 2.4.18 variant) off of some kind of flash chip and then uses linux's software raid and LVM to manage the drives. The drives are formatted using the XFS filesystem
You use a small self-contained java application to initially set the IP address, and thereafter you can use a web browser to administer it. It has features up the ying-yang, including various backup options, automated updates, failover, load balancing, and synchronizing with peer NAS devices. It supports a full suite of filesharing protocols and has quota support, access control, etc.
You can even enable an SSHD server and log in, although I haven't been able to find the root password yet. I don't know if quantum will provide it willingly or if you will have to aquire it yourself.
I benchmarked it's NFS performance against similar configurations we've built in house and it is well optimized for latency and bandwidth in the ranges allowed by gigabit ethernet. In particular there were no lengthy pauses that we sometimes see on ext3-based systems.
I was impressed with how well they were able to polish the box and make it appear that so many different, complex filesharing subsystems and features were seemlessly integrated.
Another one spewing the mantra that Linux will never be successful as a desktop OS. Many have said it, and I don't know who uttered it first but
"Linux is inevitable."
Research shows that 67% of those who use the term "research shows", are just making shit up.
Apple certainly could have used the Linux kernel and much of the GNU software rather than BSD. Which by the way, you are incorrect in stating that it was based on FreeBSD. Only with the newest darwin release (used by OS 10.2) is it actually based on FreeBSD code. Previously it was based on a much older branch of BSD and Apple brought in some features from FreeBSD.
In any case, the point is that if Apple had used Linux and GNU then they would have to release their modifications to GNU utilities and Linux under the GPL rather than taking BSD licensed code, modifying it, and releasing the changes under the more restrictive APSL. They would still have been completely free to run their own windowserver and other proprietary software on top of Linux.
What exactly is it about the GPL that seems to just scare the shit out of most commercial developers? Please quit spreading FUD about how we should all make our code "free in the truest sense of the word" under a BSD license. The arguments have been gone over several times, and the only thing I've ever gotten out of them is that as a free software developer I'm supposed to be a charity to everyone in the world. Sorry, that's not how it works for me-- I expect in return for showing you some of my code that you show me some of yours.
Your whole world centers on evangelizing Linux whenever you can. You only hang out with other Linux people, and you see everything through Linux-tinted glasses.
You even have sex with Linux men, sometimes multiple partners.
And I prefer a microwave oven, if the task at hand is warming up some food.
Settle down guys, prefering unix for a task that unix is good at is not newsworthy.
The site travelocity.com is running Netscape-Enterprise/4.1 on Solaris 8.
The HTTP server, sure. The actual applications are running on lots and lots of SGIs. If I remember correctly, Travelocity was buying a few new 32-processor SGI systems every quarter for several years.
I write in my journal
Or atleast hurts the company he works for/owns somehow. Just google hime for some lovely tales about him nearly destroying SGI, F*$%ing HP up, lowering Microsoft's sales.
Now, bigger and harder
He never actually says he likes Linux better. He says: " consider myself an advocate of whatever allows us to achieve our goals most effectively. And today, for us, that certainly is Linux ..."
/. headline says he "prefers Linux." I'm sure it will say that same thing when this story is posted over the weekend....
Of course, the
-- Hobbits suck!
What exactly is it about the GPL that seems to just scare the shit out of most commercial developers?
The part about how you have to give away your source code for free to anybody who asks for it, even if you so much as link to a GPL-licensed library at compile time. I'm pretty sure that's it.
Besides, who needs the headache of working with the GPL when there are perfectly good BSD-licensed alternatives available? That's why you see commercial (and widely used) operating systems incorporating BSD code, but not GPL code.
I write in my journal
I know that Ford has a stake in Mazda - but I wondered how it worked. I own a 1994 Ford Ranger. Now, when I bought the truck, Mazda small pickup trucks looked different, but yet still similar enough to Ford Rangers that you could easily confuse the two (the main tipoff was the third brakelight). Later, Ford introduced the Ranger Splash and other "curvy" Rangers (and trucks across thier whole line - personally I think it makes them look stupid, but that is my opinion) - the Mazdas remained the same. However, in the past couple of years or so, Mazda pickups seem identical to 1994-1995 Ford Rangers - I mean, if you sat my truck next to a 2001-2002 Mazda Pickup, you would swear they were the same vehicle. I am sure there are differences (perhaps mainly under-hood, and elsewhere), but they seem similar enough that you could swap-parts, etc.
I just want to know if Mazda and Ford is more closely related than I think - or do they swap designs, etc - plus, whether I could "upgrade" parts in my current truck with "new" Mazda parts, etc (and before you bash the Ranger - yeah, I have heard horror stories, but - my Ranger has 114k miles on it, and is still running great)...
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this is just my understanding of the grandparent's post and the GPL versus the BSD license. i don't intend to start a flame war, ok? if i'm wrong, correct me. it's the only way i'll learn... if a large company was to do what with linux (under the GPL) what Apple did, they would invest a signifigant amount of cash into development costs to produce a desktop focused, user-friendly OS. under the GPL they would have to release their source. this would put competitors at an advantage and also allow a free release of their OS making it difficult to profit. for free software and open-source developers the GPL is great. it allows us to learn and grow from the existing codebase. but for a publicly traded company, it simply does not make sense. why would i spend money on OS X if i could get all the source for free? or for that matter if another company could get Apple's source (Apple is only an example) and produce a similar product which they release for free. again, if am i wrong correct. but this is why i think the BSD license is more attractive to commercial developers.
Sorry, I know this is way off topic... but I've gotta get this off my chest.
Why do so many people hype the idea of Linux on the desktop? Linux has survived (and grown for nearly 12 years) simply by appealing to a niche market of computer enthusiats who didn't want to play ball w/ the big guys.
In those (nearly) 12 years, non-enthusiasts have seen that they could put this particular product to use as a development/admin/server tool. Meanwhile, the enthusiasts have continued to tinker, modify and play w/ their "toy" (I do not use the term "toy" in a derogative sense!) to the point that it has become an alternative to computing standards (i.e. Windows/Mac OS).
But, that does not mean that the burden of responsibility to change YOUR feelings of computer use falls into the hands of the Linux development community.
If you don't like the way Windows works -- contact Microsoft. If you think that the Mac OS is too/not enough something or another -- contact Apple. Vote w/ your credit cards. Don't demand that Linux eradicate your unhappiness with whatever system you've chosen to use in the past. It 'aint gonna happen.
Look, in the long term, 12 years is an awfully small amount of time for a hobby project to become what it is today: A very robust operating system w/ practical applications for software development, systems administration and networking solutions. It also happens to make a damn fine desktop for someone willing to put the time and energy into it. But it's completely unfair to expect the hard working development community (who rarely sees any compensation -- other than kudos from their colleagues) to create a perfect desktop environment for every technophobe on the planet.
If you want the perfect Linux Desktop solution -- Take the time to learn to do it; that's the beauty of Linux. If you don't have the inclination to do that, then hire a (team of) Linux developers to design one for you. Otherwise, sit back and enjoy the show.
Computers should be useful. Using computers should be fun. Linux is useful and fun. Where's the problem?
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>>I think there's one scenario in which Linux could become a viable desktop alternative.
#SickNotWeak
You would have to release the source to any modifications to GPL'ed files (or files directly derived from GPL code). You woudn't have to give away the kitchen sink though, if you made a proprietary window manager you could keep the code fro that, so long as you developed it from the ground up.
For an example see NVida, they make driver level programs and they have avoided the GPL thus far.
Hilariously some moderator with an inflated sense of self-worth and a serious anti-Microsoft axe to grind went through and marked one of my posts redundant, one offtopic, and one flamebait (all the same person). What a waste of moderation points.
Thank you! Finally someone around here who just wants to know what the deal is instead of spouting off ill-informed opinions.
You are partially correct and partially wrong, just like the parent to my post (the great-grandparent of this post). Yes, the GPL requires that one release the source under GPL to anyone who receives a binary (in practice that means everyone, including competitors). But you have to understand that the GPL specifically stops at the linking level. That is, if I combine my code with GPL code then my code falls under the GPL. Now the LGPL is a bit different. The LGPL actually will allow me to link non-LGPL code with the LGPL library/libraries so long as the end user can replace the LGPL portion with a newer version such that he can fix bugs in it. In practice this usually turns into dynamic linking, although technically one could provide an archive file of everything except the LGPL library and allow users to link that with a newer version of the library to produce their own executable with the newer version included.
So, let's say I start a company called Orange computers and I take GNU and other free software, make it into an easy to use desktop system and sell it. The big question is: Do I have to release my code? The answer is actually REALLY simple. /IF/ my code links with GPL code, yes. If I link with LGPL cdoe I must allow the LGPL portion to be replaced. If I don't link with any (L)GPL code, I can do whatever the hell I please. So let's say I improve some GNU utilities like "ls" and "find". I'd have to then release my modifications under the GPL. And if I improve glibc (the GNU LGPL C library) then I must release those modifications. But if I write software /using/ glibc or gtk or gnome libraries or any other LGPL libraries then I do NOT need to release my code. So in short I merely need to release code that I have built other code upon. I do not have to release the code for the entire system just because I included some (L)GPL software along with it. In fact, Apple (and friends)'s claims that they use BSD because they are afraid of GNU is a complete and total lie. Hmm.. does anybody remember which compiler the BSDs use? Oh yeah.. GCC which is GPL software (and the earlier versions were in fact written mostly by RMS). Indeed, the original NeXT system used GCC as well.
Did Apple release their changes to gcc? You bet! Did the fact that they built everything using gcc and included gcc along with proprietary software on the developers CD require them to release all their code as GPL? NO IT DID NOT.
So in short, I am extremely sick of the BSD bigots claiming the GPL is viral and evil and that we should all switch to BSD. I don't doubt at least some of these (supposed) BSD supporters are Microsofties trying to give the GNU project a bad name. The sad reality is that GNU is the only chance that programmers and users have left. Look at the alternatives. A bunch of people spreading lies about how the GPL requires all software to be free of cost and how the only way to make money on software is to bet the farm on Microsoft. Look at how many software developers now have to retool from VB to C# because Microsoft on a whim has decided they should move from one really really shitty quiche-eater language to a halfway decent quiche-eater language. At least with GNU you aren't fucked when MS decides they don't like you or that MS needs to change its strategy.
It's like Dennis Leary says. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife? Fuck that, you covet his wife, his car, his house, because you know what pal, he's coveting every INCH of your shit. The GPL provides a way to ENFORCE sharing of code where a company would normally consider it a potential loss of property. I just hope people wake up and smell the maple nut crunch!
Not to anybody - only to those you distributed a binary to. Modify to your heart's content, but you only have to make source available to those you sell a binary. Of course, they can then release it freely, but you still only have to provide a written offer to give source at cost (ie, CD reproduction plus shipping and handling) to anyone who receives a binary.
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Can't wait to see the MS "spin control" on this one. "Well, when you factor in long term preferences and TCO, you see that what he really meant to say was..."
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This proves that you must remove Microsoft employees from the Redmond campus, with their families, to a safe, neutral location if you want to get truthful answers from them regarding Linux.
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whatever the new situation demands.
A big believer in the when in Rome...he appears
to be.
OK, in the interview, Rick said that he doesn't see Linux as giving Microsoft competition in the desktop. And you are right-- most users are impatient and lazy, but I still disagree about Linux on the desktop, although I agree that for now most desktops will remain with Windows.
The basic problem is that although the core operating system is quite capable on the desktop, several obstacles remain--
1) lack of really easy installation/dependency resolution/deinstallation of software. RedHat and Debian have been making great advancements in this area but there is still a gap with Windows. Basically-- if I want to install some application I should not have to go out to sourceforge, search for, and download several packages-- this should all be able to be handled automatically by the installer.
2) Lack of familiarity-- for a basic end-user unfamiliar with any computer, Linux is not any harder today to learn (except for installing software) than is Windows. My parents use Linux and neither has much computer knowledge. Almost everyone I have set down in front of a computer running KDE or GNOME can perform basic tasks, but they feel uncomfortable and don't really know what they are doing. I am sure everyone here can relate to the last time you decided to do something new, and panicked when you realized it was beyond what you knew.
3) OU-based policy enforcement (similar to GPO's in Windows 2000). Linux as it stands right now is probably better for the corporate desktop than NT4. But for a large enterprise, being able to administer all users in an OU, forcing the installation of a set of software packages on next login can be very helpful.
In the end, a corporate desktop is, to its user, just another appliance. Of course that appliance is built inhouse by the IT department.... But the fact remains that it is not poorly suited to that environment.
I suspect that once more corporations start to move to Linux desktops, OEM's will start offering it as an alternative OS. And then it will be strong in the consumer world too.
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It's possible I haven't really considered the larger picture here. After reading your post -- and taking looking around (from a different view point), I suppose I can see what you're talking about.
Of course, I also view it from a slightly different point anyhow (running YDL on PPC) -- so I don't often pay heavy attention to the angst of the x86 world. Maybe I should open my eyes once in awhile, eh?
*Opens eyes for the first time*
OMG! Bill Gates is a dick!
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thank you for an informative post. man, slashdot would be so much nicer if everyone (or at least most people) was/were like this.
Rick Belluzzo at different time was a head, and had destroyed Silicon Graphics/SGI and HP. Then he went to Microsoft, did nothing of value but was paid a giant amount of money as a "loan" that was promptly "forgiven", and Rick himself was gently kicked out when the "loan" story became widely publicized.
Both HP and SGI were Microsoft's major indirect competitors -- they were producing large servers along with Sun and IBM, and now neither HP nor SGI have a working servers division, their native architectures are abandoned, their servers are not anymore significant players anywhere. SGI also was a direct competitor to Microsoft in workstation business, now workstations are no longer produced, after a major fiasco with an attempt to produce a Windows-based workstation using SGI technology. Also I am not sure what role Rick Belluzzo played with selling SGI patents and software to Microsoft that is now being used to prevent the development of OpenGL, and leave Microsoft at the controls of pretty much everything 3D.
All this looks like he either was Microsoft's puppet from the very beginning, or that he is clueless moron who can't make a single business decision without being influenced by Microsoft. Since at Microsoft he did precisely nothing, "loan" looks suspiciously like a payoff for this shining example of service that he did for Microsoft while being a trojan horse in other companies.
I have no idea what mentally deficient people can place him into a CEO position anywhere -- and I should better steer away from anything that Quantum will produce under the management of this crook.
Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.
One guy who used to work for Microsoft prefers Linux for some applications. In related news, a former salesman for Pfizer likes to save money buying generic drugs, a retired Ford line worker drives a Toyota, and RMS uses BSD sometimes (yes, the last one is true and verifiable).
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
Linux prefers Ex-Microsofter. couldnt stop posting ... :)
Yes sooner or later everyone needs to come to the open source platform ....
Chris ,
Php Programmers.
Second - I do not to comment on moderation. However, in this case I feel it's important to make an exception. Reducing an argument to absurity is a tool of discourse going back to the days of Plato - hardly troll material.
Wauw, how leet! Another anti-microsoft being on this planet, and this one even came straight from microsoft! That's so great! Another one that hates microsoft but loves linux! The shitty microsoft-alternative that's a fucker to install! It just rocks my desktop! Yup, making some nice progress here! Bunch of kids..
The rate at which Free and Open Source desktop applications, suggest that unless business models change or vendor lock-in can be ported over to .NET, Microsoft's ability to charge may diminish non-linearly.
It would be interesting to know the right math to predict when the tipping effect will occur.
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