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Top of the Crops 2002
Steeltoe writes "For those deeply familiar with crop circles, 2, they are truly an amazing wonder of the world. Not only are they getting unnervingly complex and beautiful, but last year researchers found themselves dumbfounded by an ET-face with an accompanying encoded CD-disc, 2, 3! Clearly, there are not enough wonders in the world, but lack of wonder and excitement! If you like adventure, you cannot turn your back on this, 2! Check out the cool circles of 2002 at Crop Circle Connector and at Circlemakers 'Top of the Crops 2002', or even take a physical *gasp* tour during the high-peak season next summer and see for yourself!! Only imagination may tell what will pop up from the crops in 2003."
I wonder when people will realize you can make these things with a 2x4 and a piece of rope? I'm from Nebraska, we've got a lot of corn there... So, well, its just fun, ya know? -Bill
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Huh?
...Bill the Cat, Jenna Jameson or Osama bin Laden. Wake me up if things change...
Blarf.
Makes me wonder how long it will be before someone hacks together some control units, a lawn tractor, and a gps system and some randome patteren generator software and creates an autonomous crop circle generator.
How cool would it be to drop off this contraption in the middle of a field, set some width/height parameters, and let it run free, just to see what you could come up with. Maybe even have it draw fractal patterns or somthing.
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Columbia, South America. Know why? 'Cause not even aliens will mess up their special "crop." Or maybe it's cause the dumbass drunks plodding around fields wearing snowshoes all get shot for damaging the crop and being mistaken for theives.
there's no mystery at all behind crop circles. I remember seeing a tv show about them a few years back, and they're just made with wooden boards, string, and a bit of geometry. They even showed a group of people making one.. impressive what can be done with this method in a few hours, but certainly not a mystery as to how or who/what makes them.
so i could increase the font size to the point that i could actually click on those 1-character long links, 2, 3!
I recently came across this press release on NASA's satellite monitoring of wheat fields, cunningly disguised as a project to aid agriculture (yeah right!). I fear for the poor crop-circle artists. Can even the stealthiest stalk-stomper evade the watchful satellite's malevolent eye?
Nevermind, the public would still say it was alien crop circles made to prove that NASA faked the moon landings, as was written in the email I got proclaiming that I would get 14 million longer penises in Nigeria because of the government conspiracy to spy on us using the IR receivers for our television remotes.
As long as religion reigns, ignorance will be our biggest social problem.
'cause i have a hard time seeing enough drunken frat boys to do the job in one night getting those lines straight.
C'mon, I want photos of the circle perpetrators! I can't believe that in this era of cheap technology that someone hasn't camcorder'd yay-hoos stomping around in their field in the act of making crop circles. Or, after hearing their dog barking at 2 AM, driven down the road to inspect their fence and photographed idiot kids in the process of throwing their 2x4's into a pickup before racing off. Forget the ET's - Circulate enough photos of the real circle makers and this one will go quietly into the dark night of historical obscurity.
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Clearly, there are not enough wonders in the world, but lack of wonder and excitement
What kind of English is that?
an ET-face with an accompanying encoded CD-disc
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So did someone read off what was encoded on the disc with ET? I bet it reads something like this:
Microsoft End-User Licence Agreement
(1) This licence entitles you to limited-use rights to this crop circle
Reliable, Great Value Hosting: $7.95/mo 2.4G/120G
Curse words written by pre-pubescent extraterestrial hooligans to express rebellion and pent up sexual frustration.
For the thousands reported every year, the vast majority go completely undetected
The current scale of crop circles no longer impresses me. Maybe one on the scale of hundreds of miles in the Sarah desert would. Or maybe on the Greenland icecap done in yellow snow.
There were wooden planks, ropes, and even geometry.
Apparently, according to Slashdot, these items still exist today. Whoah, blows the mind!
I guess I had better call the local newspaper and tell them to stop the fuckin presses.
not for long buddy, not for long..
It's not another one of those free AOL CDs is it!?!
So when do you think Aliens will break the DeCSS code of the E.T. DVD then have George Lucas and the MPAA fial a lawsuit in intergalactic court for illegal copies......
Tell me that and I'll be interested in Crop Circles. Till then I'll stick with my latest copy of Aliens.(note this is a joke...)
that they are the work of mutant gophers who have discovered art!
as taken from this ranting article
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the pen is mightier than the sword, the sword is mightier than the court, the court is mightier than the pen.
From http://www.paradigmshift.com/pecs.html a section from the crop circle website (the first link in the story):
Anomalous EM measurements - By doing a fluxgate magnetometer survey of several formations, Colin Andrews determined that the very center of these circles measured 40-50 nano Teslas. This is 10 times the radiation level of a normal field.
It looks like this was a cut-n-paste from http://www.infosourceresearch.com/tmatt/excerpt3.h tml
where they add:
"Inside the seven patterns, Andrews reported in a recent Sightings Online interview, the magnetic field registered up to 300% of the planet's normal field. "
Statements like these are hard to credit, since the earth's magnetic field is around 0.5 gauss which is 5x10^-5 Tesla (or 50 microTeslas). Magnetic fields don't qualify as "radiation" by any means either. There may be something interesting about crop circles, but the association with crackpots probably scares away real research.Guys claiming that they thought up a X-box like console in 1991.
I'm sure that by that you mean, "Thought up a console", since that site could not have gone more out of it's way to stress that it wasn't anything like an X-box.
Hey, maybe you can't be bothered to read the sites either?
I don't understand this phenomenon. Are human beings responsible for this or are they acts of animals or extra terestrial's. Serious replies Only!
they are truly an amazing wonder of the world.
No, they're either desperate scams by farmers about to go out of business or declare bankrupcy, scam artists hoping to sell books("LOOK! ALIENS! Oh, by the way, I have a book all about crop circles, $20!) or pranks by local bored (high school, college) students. It is -well- established that they're made by someone with a wooden plank, a helper, and a rope between them. The motives may differ, but the source is always the same- humans. They're also very easy to make without anyone noticing- you can't see very far into a field, so you could do it in the middle of the day.
Ever notice these crip circles just tend to gravitate towards farmers who aren't doing well financially, NEVER appear anywhere else(like random fields, forests, mall parking lots, etc..) and those farmers usually just happen to charge admission or sell stuff?
Besides, they'd have to be some pretty goddamn stupid aliens to a)have nothing better to do or b)think it's a real way of "communication"
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Only imagination may tell what will pop up from the crops in 2003.
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Ni.
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No, he said what he meant. That story was a hoax. $5 for 1 MB of RAM in 1991 my ass.
Since the aliens obviously reverse-engineered our CD technology in order to send us this message, they are in direct violation of the DMCA.
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/1155650
Hard to believe so much effort is wasted on crop circles. The thing that is less known are the "obvious fakes". The elaborate designs that include things like coats of arms and such that are just as elaborate as the abstract designs but don't get the press because they are in fact obvious fakes. These types of shapes are traceable for thousands years in the British Isles. It's hardly surprising that it's the hot bed of such activities. Things like the chalk cuttings have been a part of Britian since before the Romans found it. One that shocked everyone was the computer chip and face shape. Startling until you see a wider shot and find they are a hundred yards from a radio telescope. Space aliens or bored astronomers? The biggest slow down in recent years was during a ban on movement in the farmlands due to Mad Cow Disease. A farmer was called and asked by an unknown caller if the ban had been lifted. The farmer informed the caller it had. A crop circle miraculously appeared the next day in his field. Aren't there enough amazing things in the world without having to invent more?
Hmm....Mowing crop formations into my lawn just doesn't have the same effect.
I need a bigger lawn!!!
Oh, yes, very much so. And yet I can't seem to stay away. This must be how real tabloids make money: You know it's BS, but it's mildly amusing BS and you're bored.
Also, I read at -1 so I get the bonus of the occasional inventive troll.
here that fits my favorite insects. :)
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
Then again, maybe the no-doubt huge bandwidth bill they will receieve after being linked to from /. will be slightly offset by the contributions it (may) also bring(s)..
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Yeah, they might get spammed with goat sex links, but if I were over there, I wouldn't be holding my breath. Poor bastards.
5) "I downloaded this off Kazaa!" 4) "Dude, can I borrow this CD?" 3) "All your cropcircles are belong to us" 2) "Copyright, Evil Alien Masters, INC" 1) "Look, Ma, I'm on SLASHDOT!"
Wow. Bullshit works as a fertilizer. Who'd a thunk it?
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I didn't know that GIFs could have layers. Your photoshop skillz amaze me.
"What the hell?!?" yourself.
Now, maybe it's just me, but how on earth can a JPG have multiple layers?? (a la PSD-format you claim it does)
I think there is a greater chance your claim is, "an obvious hoax."
"this is a really good piece of cantoloupe."
These things should stop. I constantly wonder about the farmer whose crops have just been crushed. Those crops represent lots of money that the farmer uses to buy more things for their farm. It's a valuable asset. Sure, this time money for compensation was left, but many times the pranksters aren't so generous.
(As a side note though, it's interesting that something like this is only devestating to cultures that rely on agriculture. Agriculture, while it's great for mass production of food, is a "place all your eggs in one basket" bet with nature. Horticulturists also have some of the same worries, but not as many. Pastoralists mostly gather their vegetables from nature. Hunter/gatherers have a very varied diet, and lots of mobility.)
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#include "frickin_lasers.h"
I swear... back in MY day, it took my buddies and me hours of backbreaking work with ropes and planks to make these. Nowadays any punk with a pirated copy of Photoshop can do it...
Just no appreciation for the craft anymore...
"last year researchers found themselves dumbfounded by an ET-face with an accompanying encoded CD-disc"
Let me guess: It was only readable on a Mac, right?
From one of the sites (using the ASCII character set to interpret the "binary" data strip arranged as a circle): "For those not yet familiar with the decoding, the full message verbatim reads: ?Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES. Much PAIN but still time. BELIEvE. There is GOOD out there. We OPpose DECEPTION. Conduit CLOSING. Acknowledge.? The author continues: "Backing up the 'request' idea is the fact that following the 0110 segment, the data strip itself continues for one complete revolution, which seems to be inviting us to use it ourselves for a reply. We would have been able to impress about eighteen letters into this unused strip, saying something like 'Wow. Message received.'"
If you will notice, nearly all of these things are in fields that have tracks - parallel lines through the field. Is this a machinery (tractor, harvester, irrigatation) track? ANYHOW, if you look closely, the track always intersects the design in the center, or at a node that could be the "pivot point" of the design. Why does the design always align with the tracks? Could it be that this is the ingress and reference point for a clever ground crew? NAW, the aliens just like fields with tracks and the symmetry of aligned patterns!
I'd love to know how you did that seeing as the source picture is a JPG (hint: JPGs don't have layers, furthermore once you collapse a photoship image there is no way to tell it ever had layers).
Also, did they photoshop every frame of the video of the same crop-picture?
[disclaimer: I still think it was done by hoaxers]
This sounds to me like the Extra-Terrestrial version of "Cow Tipping."
IANAL... But I play one on
"It's in binary:"
ASCII or EBCDIC?
Well, it would be kind of hard to make a crop circle in a parking lot, since nothing much grows there, wouldn't it?
/Styx
Wow, that was easy to find. it took all of 5 minutes to find the site handing out the .mil adresses on google.
what sig?
And the link to, or at least the name(s) of, these amazing filters is where????
I AM, therefore I THINK!
It seems some pranksters go to some pretty dangerous lengths to create crop circles. I'm not sure my health and limbs are worth a stupid prank like crop circles, but I guess I'm not those people.
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#include "frickin_lasers.h"
and assumptions out there. 99% of the posts I'm seeing here are people who have heard something once or twice on the radio about some hoaxters with a tow-by-four, and who have made up their minds and decided that every single instance of a crop circle all over the world, past and future, can be explained away by that one method. I had expected a little more from the Slashdot crowd.
I am one of the biggest skeptics out there, but I always try to balance it with an open-minded analysis of all available facts. Looking at all the factors involved, it seems to me that calling every single crop circle instance a hoax with confidence is just impossible. Let's run down some factors here:
Numbers: First off, there's the sheer number of these things occurring all over the world. They often show up in areas where the locals have never heard of the crop circle phenomenon and don't care when they do. They show up in areas where everyone is so poor that no one has time for stupid practical jokes. They show up all over the world.
(This factor, in and of itself, I do not offer as complete evidence.)
Size: Some of these crop circles are huge. A pair of people may be able to flatten a circle 75 feet across in a few hours during the night, but even a team of people wouldn't be able to finish some of these things in one night.
(This factor, in and of itself, I do not offer as complete evidence.)
Precision: There is an amazing level of geometrical precision to many crop circles. They aren't all just flattened circles, they're quite often fairly complex geometrical patterns. And they're huge, layed out on flat ground with nothing high nearby to get up on and observe the progress of the pattern. I have a distinctly hard time believing that anyone could create a pattern that precisely in the dark. Even in the daytime, without precise surveying instruments and some way to measure and mark off every single arc of the pattern, it would be really difficult. Certainly more than a few hours work if it was just a pair of people.
(This factor, in and of itself, I do not offer as complete evidence.)
Evidence on the ground: In the types of crop circles that aren't immediately identifiable as hoaxes (yes, there are hoaxes, and they are almost always easy to identify, go check out some of the links), there are strange phenomena that happen inside the circles. The stalks of plants are bent without being broken. Have you ever tried to bend the stalk of any plant like grass, wheat or corn to a 90-degree angle without breaking it? Personally, I don't know of any way to do it.
There's also evidence of odd things like stunted growth within the circle and things not growing there even months or years after the fact. I'd love to know how a two-by-four could do that.
(This factor, in and of itself, I do not offer as complete evidence.)
History: Crop circles didn't just start in the last couple of decades with a couple of 40-year old guys and a board. There are instances of them a long ways into the past. I'd be willing to bet that the "original" hoaxters who claimed to have done some of the circles had gotten the idea from something they heard or read about that had already happened. I think the hoax is the fact that they believed they'd started it all.
(This factor, in and of itself, I do not offer as complete evidence.)
Human nature: The nature of the human animal is pretty set, and always has been. There are a lot of things that just don't jive if you make a blanket statement that every circle is created by a single person or set of people. People crave attention and recognition. Do you know anyone who knows someone who actually made a crop circle? No? The larger the circle, the more people it would have taken to create it, and the more chance for some dumbass to get drunk and start bragging about he and his buddies getting together and making "that big crop circle on the south side of town".
Saying that human hands created every crop circle ever made would also mean that there are a lot of copycats in the world. A lot of people who just love the idea of crop circles and think nothing would be more fun than going out and making their own, and then never telling anyone about it for the rest of their lives. Why? I don't buy it.
I see several people posting about how "somebody should just catch those dumb kids in action and show it on video, and all this would go away". So you know a lot of groups of teens who are organized, motivated, knowledgeable in the correct use of things like surveying instruments and laser distance measuring devices, or even know how to run a tape measure with the necessary precision to create a beautiful mathematically complex geometrical pattern 200 feet across in the space of a few hours? The idea is just ludicrous. Ever think just for a minute that there might be another reason that no one has been able to "catch them at it"? I'll let you ponder that one.
(This factor, in and of itself, I do not offer as complete evidence.)
Taking all of these factors into account, I, the skeptic that I am, find it scientifically implausible to believe that crop circles are a purely human-derived phenomenon.
Ever think for a moment that there might just possibly be things out there that we don't understand yet? That science doesn't yet have the answer to everything? That everything can't just be explained away on a moment's notice without examining all the evidence? Extra-terrestrials don't even have to enter into it. There are things right here in our natural world that we just don't yet understand.
I think that the treatment of the poster is deplorable. Everyone seems to be just immediately writing him off as a kook (like the first post) and not even bothering to examine the history and wealth of physical evidence about this phenomenon. Yes, there are plenty of kooks out there, but they can't all be kooks. That's like classifying everyone on Slashdot a troll because some trolls happen to post here.
As I said in the beginning, I had expected a little more openmindedness and intelligent discussion on Slashdot (yeah, I know, silly me, but it does happen here). I hope that a few of you who thought you knew everything will just take a few minutes to read the articles, and think, and wonder about our endlessly amazing universe, like the poster of the article suggested.
I used to provide support for that system. John Deere isn't the only company to provide GPS and Data recording for farmers though.
Theoretically the satellite could drive your tractor for you. Once you did a pass of the field that information was stored in a type of flash card, the system would beep at you, or let you know when you were not driveling in a row. It would also record things like moisture, elevation, and yields.
This type of system is pretty slick for farmers, but it's still in the really expensive mom & pop farmer can't afford it just yet stage.
There's more but it's been a while since I've done this so I don't remember the specifics.
'Pleasure is the Disease, Pain is the Cure' - Lilith
...but I have to admit that the pranksters have a lot of creativity and talent. Some crop circles out there look downright cool.
// file: mice.h
#include "frickin_lasers.h"
Ok everyone, check your access logs. Find any requests for an ASCII chart from a strange UA and post it here. Obviously they must be using old mac's as we learned from independence day.
I am typing this post with a device that is installed in my brain. It's wireless, and can be transmitted on to your Web site with relative ease.
We're also very good at making sure the only people that ever see any really substantial evidence (in the rare event that one of us screws up and leaves some) are judged as insane.
Lastly, but not least, we are so very insanely advanced that we use... er, uhm... *cough* fields of wheat *cough* ...to erhm... communicate.
"To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit." -Stephen Hawking
2. Crop circles occur only in countries with agricultural surpluses.
For every 100 cropcircles, there is 1 which is not obviously made with human boards pushing down on wheat/straw/whatever. These cropcircles have the wheat bent at 90 degrees and interleaved upon one another. This is something that, even with the most advanced equipment, is pretty much impossible to do, and is the reason crop circles are truly interesting phenomenon.
Just like for every 100 guys who throw a plate into the air and take a picture, there is one who actually saw something unexplainable. Separating the signal from the noise, and realizing that there is in fact actual signal amongst the noise, is the first step towards understanding what it means to be a true skeptic and a rational, open-minded, thinker. Doubting for the sheer sake of doubt and assuming something to be false without any proof is ignorance and is a bastardization of what it means to be a skeptic and a scientist.
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To me this stuff is at least 99,999% bunk. There is the universal claim that these circls are too symmetrical or spiritual to be handmade. The believers claim that there is no way for human beings to make these symbols without leaving obvious trace to human presence.
Last year a german TV magazin (stern tv) decided to evaluate that. After finding out that it was possible, they... well, they became alien and just did it. A large field was picked, the "impressions" were made with such other-worldly gadgets as tree logs, rope and a bunch of carbon-based glucose operated water bags.
The result: crop circles indistinguishable from all the other ones that are worshipped all the time. All the german esoteric elite piled up at that field, people sold the t-shirts and posters, and everyone believed that the god-forsaken place of Schönwalde was location to extra-terrestrial visits.
http://www.fosar-bludorf.com/kornkreis/
Scroll down a bit to see a picture of the circle in question. Interestingly enough (and although the creation of the circle was filmed) the site which has the picture is part of the "believers" who are not going to abstain from their initial belief that it is the work of alien visitors. Notice any weird feelings when looking at it? Well, if it is hunger it might be for a reason, the pattern has been taken from a salami pizza, the weird thingy coming out of one of the outer circles is a deplaced pepperoni.
Well, the wackos running the site are currently bashing the TV magazine people for obstructing the truth and stuff like that. A bunch of the wackos have found magnetic anomalies ("up to 1000%"), dehydrated soil but no burned plant matter, silicium chipping ("broken off a spaceship") or measured modulated signals on obscure frequencies. Some people just WANT to believe...
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At the response in this forum. It seems to me that any good scientist closely examines the evidence presented before concluding anything, and also considers any possible explaination without bias or emotional influence. I hear people spouting off about a lack of science on /. lately yet I see little evidence of so-called scientific approach in response to this phenominon. If you've closely examined the evidence and reports first-hand and feel qualified to give an analysis, by all means go ahead and share, otherwise consider the quality and usefullness of your comments before crying "hoax".
While some of these circles are obviously faked, there is surely enough mystery here to generate legitimate discussion -- some of those circles are hundreds of feet across and contain patterns that seem to be not only beautiful but original. I can imagine some ./ readers are unable to comfortably walk 800 feet (the diameter of the last pattern I looked at) never mind produce a pattern of high complexity in the middle of night in a dark field with flawless geometry while leaving little trace of disturbance. I can imagine few organizations that would be able to pull this sort of stunt off -- certainly none that I have worked for! Whoever or whatever is doing this has my admiration.
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In any case. . . Crop circles. .
There are, to my knowledge, four entirely different parties making circles. I'll start from the lowest and work my way up.
1. Pranksters. There's quite a scene actually, of circle makers with an internal social protocol similar in ways to graffiti artists who spray paint buildings and boxcars. --Often, artists will leave their 'tag' on a crop glyph, or even tag other glyphs to claim ownership. In any case, it has been conclusively demonstrated that with a slat of wood, a length of twin, a tape measure, (and a policebox full of eager engineering students), one can construct very convincing circles of the most remarkable geometric complexity. --Some circle makers even leave weird objects at the centers, up to and including radioactive residues, etc. Humans are smart, and they are good at playing tricks, and many crop circle researchers are entirely willing to be fooled. A happy and kind of infernal madness.
2. Non-pranksters. Ooh, those pesky military dudes! (Or whoever. Blackops or somebody.) Always trying to obfuscate and mislead. The same types are responsible for replicating cattle mutilations in an effort to mislead and misdirect. (Getting more done before 6 A.M. and all. There's no life like it!) --Though probably not with $400 military slats of wood and $500 military tape measures; there has been a great deal of fast advancement recently in our realm by way of technology. Alien assisted, in some cases. --The crop glyph with the Alien head and the CD thingy was one of these. The garbled word, "BELIEvE" was just that; a garbled word. (Way to go, guys! Wishful thinking, the identity stamp of the greedy & the self-obsessed, will getcha every time. Bush drools for a reason kids, debauchery will do that to you. A rule of thumb: Bad-guys use coke.)
The psychology behind the alien head & CD glyph: To the susceptible: "Trust the 'good and friendly' greys." To the regular folks: "Crop Circles are scary and weird. Don't trust them."
3. The Scary Bad Aliens Themselves! Sometimes called 'fourth density' aliens, depending on what sources you look at. They inhabit the level of reality directly one step above ours, where time is a direction which can be navigated backwards and forth. They eat negative emotions when in their corner of reality, and absorb cow and (east-indian human child) plasma when in ours pulling the Men in Black thing. "The Vats are Real." They have set set us up to live in eternal misery, and when the big day comes, it's harvest feast time to the tune of 6 billion very unhappy humans clinging to bibles filled with wrong-headed messages which got garbled way back in the dark ages. Mmm. Yummy fear.
Anyway, there are supposedly not too many circles directly made by this bunch, but you can identify the ones which have been; The plants in such circles are microwaved and sort of fried and grow funny after the event.
And last but certainly not least. .
4. The good and all knowing entities. --From a another two levels up, called 'Sixth density' (Or 6th harmonic, or vibrational frequency, or whatever depending on your preferred source and level of service.) "We are you in the future. . !"
Proper circles made by this Yoda-like bunch are supposedly messages documenting the nature of reality in these end-of-times. --Not that I've been able to make head or tail of them. Math isn't my strong suit. (Though, weirdly, precious few are even making the attempt.) "Your media resists. Why?"
Oh yeah. How to tell a 'real' circle from a fake one, (aside from the perfectly bent stalks and no foot prints, versus the wake-of-carnage system preferred by the slat of wood and ball of string kids). .
"One thing to look for would be growth disruptions to the area. Real circles do not disrupt the creative principle."
A quick side-note to all those who are on guard here: The creepy Scientologists and Moonies, etc., I figure, were set up in order to obfuscate and sound a eerie and somewhat similar, (although selfish and thoroughly dispicable), message. --And to be generally creepy and culty and all that. Ignore those ass-wipes. Travolta and Cruise are royal dinks and should be considered as such. The real story is far less stupid, though still startling. Essentially. .
The world is going bye-bye within the next decade or so; global war, economic depression, rich New World Order jerks scrambling over the duped hoards as the ship goes down under the weight of hungry aliens, comet impacts, ice-ages, famine, cats & dogs living together; mass hysteria. (I believe Bill Murry may even be hosting.) Anyway, it's already underway, led by George, "See the Bad Nurse Make Disease" Bush. --Deny it if you will, but everybody can feel it on a gut level. All the little subconsciouses are chattering away. --And it's going to get much, much worse. So buckle up!)
Have no fear though. When time is circular, (as I am assured it is), all ends are also beginnings. If you don't get smeared by a comet or shot in the head by a Nazi reincarnated as an Israeli, beam-weaponed by an invading alien giant, or just ass-fucked by an American zombie, then you're going to witness some really neat stuff when the Big Shift comes. So get your closets cleaned out, and your heads and your hearts in order. It's all about awareness, baby!
-Fantastic Lad --mod THAT!
The current spy birds do not stay active all the time. The spend most of their life in sleep mode. It would be too expensive to just let them roam over the earth seeing whatever happens to be in their FOV.
If you want to learn more about them, look up the "Keyhole Satallites" in google. You can take what is public knowledge and apply a dash of Moores Law to come up with some pretty scarry stats on the newest models. Although, I'd guess that the true power in the Keyhole birds lies in their ability to view in the infra red or ultra violette ranges. Or maybe even use lasers to pick up audio from space.
I'd rather you do it wrong, than for me to have to do it at all.
Milk Hill 2001 (scroll down, it's the 3rd one)
Possibly made by the same people but with only 3 arms in the spiral
Perfect geometry? The spiral arms don't even have the same number of circles in each arm. The Milk Hill formation has 13 circles on five of six arms of the spiral; the other arm has only 12. The 3-arm spiral has two arms with 11 circles and one with 12.
Stand in awe if you like, but jeez, this is obvious BS that these things are anything like 'perfect'.
Why you trying to turn my world upsidedown? I don't want to believe it so I won't wont and no shred of evidence will make me think otherwise.
ps: this is sarcasm.
Am I the only one who is as unconvinced by the arguments of the Believers as those of the Unbelievers?
:-)
Having read (at least some of) the links, I'm fascinated, if irritated by conspiracy theories outnumbering the circles themselves.
The doubters I have seen so far in this forum are yet to present convincing scientific evidence against -- and out-of-hand dismissal or ridicule doesn't count.
One thing I am sure of is that there is an explanation, even if we haven't found it yet, and this (no, I don't believe it's done simply with planks and ropes) would be interesting in itself.
At least there's some damn good art there
must use quantum encoding / decoding :-)
Has anyone tried to figure out what the CD says? :)
c rabwood2002sac.jpg, it's fairly clear to see that the marks are evenly spaced. There's an obvious smallest unit, which the others are multiples of.. So, take the smallest displayed unit as 1, and the absense of a unit as 0, the whole thing could be broken out to binary...
:)
Well, seriously think about it. What are the possibilities.
1) It was an alien.
They'd be trying to convey a message.. So it should be easy to decrypt.
2) It was a hoax.
Someone wants bragging rights. They're not going to go through all the work of trashing that field (great work though), and not make the obviously intricate CD mean *something*.
Looking at http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2002/Crabwood/
But, do aliens know ASCII to Binary translation?
BTW, have another look at the pic. It's not rings, it's a spiral like a record.. The beginning and end are solid, and taper up and down from nothing. The bumps are too infrequent to even attempt to simulate an audio record.. That'd just make pops..
Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
The first crop circles, a couple of decades back were very simple. Were these authentic? If so, how come we never see crop circles like those anymore? Did the aliens get into a race to outdo each other with Mandelbrot sets? OTOH, if those first crop circles were among the 99% bogus, we have now a case of an authentic phenomenon that is copying a hoax(?!?!?!?). Could happen, but very curious.
This isn't as much "normalization" as it is "don't take so many drugs when you're designing tables."
Please
http://www.randi.org/jr/020102.html
Just scroll a little ways down.
It was one of the links posted in the story here
"For those not yet familiar with the decoding, the full message verbatim reads: "Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES. Much PAIN but still time. BELIEvE. There is GOOD out there. We OPpose DECEPTION. Conduit CLOSING. Acknowledge."
Science. It's not about proving it true, it's about trying to find evidence that a theory is false.
.First prove that:
Make up theory.
Try to disprove the theory.
If it's proved false, don't go trying to prove it true*.
1) these crystaline forms in crops when you heat them to 1700 degrees.
2) that these patterns do not appear in crops outside the circles.
*well rephrasing the question is standard practice...
I would ask you now to reference Option #2 in this slashdot poll.
--meh--
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
Finally. Some sense. Thank you for explaining to these freekin idiots.
/.'ers are so quick to spout drivel and trash without first exploring a little bit.
Its simple folks. Lots of them are created by humans. No doubt. Lots of them cannot possibly be created by humans alone. They are too precise and carry too much meaning.
I have been studying crop circles for a while and have read lots of information.
Did you know that..
1.) Even though very very precise, the shapes are not perfect. For instance, if there is a shape of a circle, it will not be perfectly round. It will have measurements similar to what a perfect circle would look like if it were projected DOWN on the surface of the earth from about 200 miles up in the air. Sorry, I couldn't find a link for this information, it came out of my books. Don't ask me how they do the math to arrive at this conclusion, its way beyond me.
2.) The ground under the plants which have been flattened in the geometries contains traces of chemicals and compounds which indicate extreme heat. The ground right next to it, under stalks which have not been bent or flattened looks perfectly normal. Go Here and here.
3.) There was one or more formations in which a porcupine was found in the very center, flattened and dead. Its Quills were arranged in the same spiral pattern as the circle. Go Here.
4.) in 2001, a formation appeared near a radio telescope. In 1974, Carl Sagan and some other folks transitted a message out into space. The formation appears to be a reply. go Go Here and here.
5.) The formations themselves contain information in the order in which they are created and their location. Much study has been done on their relevance to each other by their physical location. No links to this that I am aware of.
There are tons and tons of little stories like that that individually don't mean much. However, taken together, paint a pretty different picture.
Its very sad that so many of you
Much of this information isn't on the Net. It is however, published in a number of books.
A very good one is by a fellow named Freddy Silva, its called "Secrets In The Fields". Its clear that he has an axe to grind, but you cannot discount the information in it.
Paul Vigay has a good site Here
I believe that something is going on here which needs further research.
Open up your minds folks. We ain't in the dark ages anymore.
I'm still waiting for an "All Your Base Are Belong To Us" crop circle. Why hasn't anybody done it yet?
Repeal the DMCA!
MAN, are you seriously disturbed.. Maybe time to spend less time reading webpages, and doing some yoga and meditation on your own. You'll only get confused by reading from lots of different sources. It helped for me.
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/
I do very much believe in God, and also in evil spiritual beings (Satan and demons). I'm pretty sure all of them would have the capability to do this.
First, I'll admit that I am not a scientist, haven't seen these, and am going by what I'm reading in the linked articles here. And I haven't read anywhere near everything linked.
BUT
First, about the cool geometric designs. I'm kind of reminded from this passage from Romans:
Now, about the encoded message on the disc, which some people missed from the explanation here.
First, does anyone know about the evidence surrounding this thing? Does it have the microwaved plants & such, that make it pretty clearly not a prankster?
If it were possible to write that one off as a prankster, I might be inclined to do so. After all, why would God use a retarded looking alien to get a message across? (Ok, so He'll probably slap me soon if it is indeed Him!
But the message (if you ignore a couple questionable bits and the inconsistent capitalization) is interesting, to say the least. The Bible talks about a time when a great deceiver will make a treaty with Israel, after which will come a time of Tribulation on the earth. Many signs indicate that that time could happen relatively soon.
I think that message could be talking about the false gift of peace from this great deceiver
I think that any message like this that COULD be supernatural should be compared to the Bible to tell whether it is from God or Satan. And as far as I can tell, this lines up with what the Bible says. But I still can't get past that retarted looking alien.
I hope I don't come off as looking extremely gullible or stupid here. I don't know more about this than most of you. I'm just adding this to the list of possible responses, and also to see if any other Christians have opinions on the matter.
Can I have some of what your smoking ?
A slashdotting - you get the stick first and then the carrot !
... for putting this story in the correct category. You might like to educate some of the other editors here about which category UFO/Paranormal stories are supposed to be posted to.
Because if they did they'd now that an ACK character is used to acknowledge receipt of a transmission not to request acknowledgement.
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Here's what I think is likely. There's a group of secret, elite crop circl creators. They started off small and simple, but their techniques have improved tremendously and have extended their efforts across the world. Whatever mundane method it is that they use causes a lot of those wierd things mentioned in the article above. Perhaps they have some fascinating machinery to produce the effect, or some chemicals, or both. I can explain the nausea, etc, easily: people who encounter these things and cannot explain them will be mentally affected. They will feel confused, amazed, scared, whatever. This translates into physical chnages.
Consider also the other wierd magnetic effects, noises, radiation, etc. Whatever method is being used to create the circles leaves this residue - whether it be alien or human technology. Just because the devices used to create the circles is unknown does not mean it must be used by aliens. After all, America and Britain can't even prove for certain that Iraq has WMD. What happened to their amazing technology and uber spies? We need you Mr. Bond.
I consider this the most likely scenario. If aliens, then why do they never visit us? I know that many claim that they do through channeling or mediums, but this is easily dispelled - these methods have been used for the last 4-5000 years for communicating with spirits, the dead (supposedly) and much more. Whatever it is that they communicate with, it is a liar and uses the same method for different deceptions. The answer is not aliens. We are supposed to be amazed by the amazing technology of these supposed aliens, yet they must resort to crop circles? No, I don't think the answer is there.
The answer seems to lie in the fact that the crop circles are changing and evolving. If it were aliens that knew so much, their methods would be rather stagnant if the crop circles are a common method for them to achieve whatever it is they are trying to. Changing crop circles over time seems to me only explainable by forces or labor that is learning it's art, changing its methods and improving. Sounds like a human influence to me.
Of course, I don't pretend to know the answers. These are just my musings on the topic. These circles impress and make me curious as much as the next person. I don't deny the possible existence of aliens, but I think it is very very unlikely, and even if there are, none of what we've seen so far appears to originate from outside our planet. Lets consider the possibilities, keep an open mind and see what we can learn.
Did you ever do stuff like this? The equipment that the MIT students used were pretty dangerous, and very difficult to build. I have to wonder why a prankster would go to that length.
// file: mice.h
#include "frickin_lasers.h"
1. Create Crop Circles
2. ???
3. Profit!
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No matter how fast light travels it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for it. (T. Pratchett)
My jaw dropped when I saw the alien face and disc. Remarkable! Very clever technology must have been employed in order to pull this off with such precision. The execution is flawless! I'm very impressed.
Certainly this is no ordinary rope-and-plank job, One wonders if the thing was perhaps a clandestine practical execution of a tech student's exam project?
The site of the artwork may be close enough for the DGPS beacon at the Bristol Channel to have helped the punters get the edges of the rectangle aligned so precisely, but presumably a laser sighting device similar to the ones used by land surveyors could have been sufficiently accurate.
Once the rectangle corners had been defined and the circle perimeter traced, it may have been fairly trivial for two operators, or teams, to traverse the sides of the rectangle in parallel with the Device running a straight line from side to side and flattening the crop row with variable force (or width) according a predetermined bitmap courtesy of photoshop and some clever artistry. I'd love to see the original bitmap and compare with the finished formation.
You can see a thin groove at the center of each scanline in the closeup ground photos, which seems to be a wheel track. The device design is unknown, so we don't know if it had 1,2 or even 4 wheels. A rope could have been its suspension from above, though you'd think that would have caused variations in pattern density with the rope at the edges being more taut.
It would need to be somewhat heavy in order to flatten the crop and have enough mechanical force to gradually engage and disengage the crop flattening part of the mechanism during the course of each row. Perhaps the device was guided on twin taut ropes from either side of the formation, or perhaps guided optically by lasers.
From the closeup pictures the pattern looks like it was applied in one direction alone, so perhaps returning the cart to the other side was a waste cycle instead of using bidirectional 'printing'.
Interestingly, the wheel groove of the spiral is between the spiral pattern bands, as opposed to centered in the middle, so a different machine may have been used here, perhaps operating concurrently with the alien portrait scanline 'printer'.
The question remains how the row alignment came to be so spot on both in terms of row spacing and 'horizontal hold' from row to row : The vertical details are quite precisely in sync from row to row, so the tech and methodology used is indisputably excellent.
I hope eventually the artists and hoaxers come forth and reimburse the farmer for his losses, and reveal their clever technology. I think that would make for an interesting read.
No big headed bog eyed Alien's better come to my field.... Off my laand you big headed slimy skined f**k.
I doubt that intelligent life, alien or human, would fall for the "false gift" of [b]altenating caps[/b].
"Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES. Much PAIN but still time. BELIEvE. There is GOOD out there. We OPpose DECEPTION. Conduit CLOSING. Acknowledge"
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
From the article:
A major transformation occured in 1990 when the circles became complex pictograms composed of straight lines, angles and spiral rings (see Barbury Castle formation below right).
Or was it simply the widespread adoption of global positioning systems that allowed people to make much more complex designs? I know where I'd put my money.
How long before a cropfeild filter comes out on photoshop?
how does one change his
The "aliens did it" explanation is still a vastly wilder conclusion to jump to than "people did it".
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Now that would be cool.. rearrange all the cars into a nice pattern..
Course you'd probably have to set fire to them to get a helicopter to fly over and look at it to notice...
the behind the scenes documentary - 'The making of the crop circles'
"Free software as in beer, copy protection as in racket" - Telsa Gwynne
Take two thumbtacks, a piece of string, a pencil, and a pad of paper. Stick the thumbtacks into the paper. Tie the string into a loop, then drop the loop onto the tacks so that they are both inside the loop. Now, put the pencil inside the loop as well. Move the pencil outward so that the loop is stretched tightly into a triangle. Now, keeping the string tight, move the pencil around the thumbtacks, and draw with it... Voila, you got an ellipse. And you didn't even need GPS.
If they can miss a basic thing like ellipses, which they should have learned in Algebra 2, I wonder how reliable the rest of their site is...
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It has long been said that standing in or near a crop circle gives you a funny feeling. Sensations such as a gentle buzzing in the ears, feeling warm on cool days and static discharge when touching other people are said to occur.
I have had similar feelings. Once I visited a crop circle and felt a sensation that made me give the farmer £5.00 to have a closer look at the circle. When I left the field I felt a sensation that made me approach the travelling crop circle shop and pay £15.00 for a poster of a crop circle. The was an overwhelming feeling of being drained, not my energy or spirit, but my wallet. Strangely enough I didn't get any feelings of an alien presence....
I'll be the first fool to cross where angels fear to tread - namely to argue with someone who wouldn't know a logical argument if it bit him in the ass. But hey, isn't that what slashdot is for?
Hypothesis: All crop circles are made by human beings.
Evidence: (as taken from this post, apparently a Difinitive Source) "99% of the posts I'm seeing here are people who have heard something once or twice on the radio about some hoaxters with a tow-by-four." From this statement we can confirm that a) there are hoaxsters out there who delight in the media attention they get from creating crop circles, and b) this knowledge is widespread and by no means a new thing. It's knowledge so common that every farmer out in the middle of nowhere with a short-wave radio or a TV posesses it. Keep in mind that I come from a rural area, and yes, every farmer in the world has some kind of contact with the outside world, even in the poorest parts of it.
Knowing this, and knowing that there are almost as many scams as there are suckers (for reference: PT Barnum), one could easily come to the conclusion that a tiny minority of farmers could easily account for every crop circle there ever was, especially considering the amount of attention said circles get. More interesting is how any evidence about their appearance (sudden or otherwise) is purely subjective on the part of the owner of the field and his neighbours, who were likely involved if there was a conspiracy against yonder city folk. Even more interesting is how crop circles have been getting more and more complex over time, probably in direct relation to media coverage and its availability to rural people.
The size and geometric precision and/or complexity can easily be explained by the fact that yes, farmers and other rural citizens are indeed clever, even intelligent. In fact, about the only thing that you can discern from the existence of these patterns is that they were made by someone with a little knowledge of geometry, indicating an intelligence of some kind. To assume that this sort of precision is beyond human beings is insane. We are obviously capable of much more than this. If you want an excellent example of what simple people can do with simple tools, the pyramids in Egypt were built by them. We don't know exactly what methods they used, and we aren't exactly sure why they did it that way because the process was largely undocumented (or the documents were lost), but they did. Sound familiar?
Already, we have a means, a motive, and an opportunity. All it would really take to create one is for a single person to say "hey, I can do that," draw up a coherent plan for doing so, get support from as many as four surrounding landowners for corroborating statements and labour, and then do the deed on a Sunday. This is far from a complicated plan, and the engineering/landscaping/surveying work is admittedly easily in the grasp of human beings. It's in fact so simple that it could conceivably be done without the landowner's knowledge or consent.
So now we've narrowed it down to two possible choices as to who implemented this plan. On the one hand, we have human beings. They're already there, they're intelligent enough, and they have a reason to do it (namely, because there's plenty of fools out there who would believe that it wasn't people). Alternatively, we have some other, non-human force at work here. Perhaps aliens, or perhaps gods. Assuming aliens, it would take them a great deal of effort to get here, and then the only way they attempt to communicate with us is by making mysterious patterns in wheat fields in the middle of the night, or when noone is looking otherwise. Moreover, these patterns can only be deciphered from the air and consist of very simple geometric shapes (well, until recently anyway). This is by far the most preposterous way to communicate. It is open to so much interpretation as to render itself completely meaningless, unless it is merely a code known only to the aliens themselves, not unlike the human activity of warchalking. In this case, it's merely interstellar graffiti and thus completely irrelevent to us.
The entire argument boils down to the exercise of Occum's Razor: The simplest explanation is the usually the right one. The simple explanation is that people did it as a prank, it caught on and only they know how they do it, because it's an exercise left up to the prankster. The best alternative explanation is that something that noone can see, and with methods some of us can't comprehend, made these things for deliberately mysterious reasons. This latter explanation isn't even my own, but the same one presented by the sort of kooks you can expect to try to explain the phenomenon with aliens and UFO's and ghosts. It is for this reason alone I can definitively say that every last crop circle is made by humans, because the alternative means a leap of faith so large that only a sucker would make it.
"No problem. I have the capacity to do infinite work so long as you don't mind that my quality approaches zero."-Dilbert
So you've got a whacking great picture of an alien and an encoded message which clearly indicates intelligence on the part of it's creators. But having apparently ruled out humans as the likely creators I'm not supposed to think there's an implied alien intelligence behind it? Perhaps it's ghosts? As I said, regardless of unexplained features, human beings remain the most plausible creators. Lack of a total explanation for how humans could have done it is not evidence that it was done by something else.
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"Fairy rings" of mushrooms may also occur this way (mushrooms are the reproductive organs of the underground fungus).
Someone with a biology background, please correct me if I am wrong on the whole fungus thing.
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Is Slashdot trying to become a tabloid? First the SOHO bullshit, then crop circles. What's next? Creationism? Phrenology? Reading tea leaves?
Believing in this crap is no different than believing a spammer will give you a 12 inch penis. Oh, he'll give it to you all right, you just have to bend over first.
I'm the urban spaceman babe, but here comes the twist... I don't exist
As the UFO sightings, many of the crop circles can be explained beeing a clever hoax but there's some that can't be explained by just bending the crops with something mechanical as a wood board or a piece of rope. Take a look at a serious study on the subject and it will give you one thing or two to think about it.
Faith can move mountains. I prefer dynamite.
I was wondering these days. There are lots of spying satellites in the sky. Most of them just shoot everything in the field of vision and sends it to the ground, don't they?
Would it be possible that some bored analyst dealing with those pictures could backtrack such circle in time and find out what happened before the circle apeared?
I remember that someone was trying to recreate this markings and it took them several hours of works, so the time window would be pretty wide.
Robert
Bastard Operator From 193.219.28.162
The US Government is clearly behind these, at least the more recent and highly complex ones. It is most likely just a calibration test of some new microwave weapons we're developing, being used from fully cloaked airships quietly hovering above fields. Simple. Furthermore, they're trying to make them as complex as possible to keep us busy wondering about aliens, knowing intellectuals like to cause trouble. Really, they're planning to take over the world. :) I'm dead serious. It makes perfect sense. And if you were American, wouldn't you be proud?
What is your sig "carrying a torch only makes your right arm tired" from?
tv is the final knowledge centre...
wow, +4 informative, you're a genius
I also learn how to gamble on tv too and how the crappy loosing deadbeat USA stockmarket works too.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
My favorite bit:
in the Sarah desert
Sarah, a stark beauty, hotter than you might believe, has always left a dry taste in my mouth due to her hostility toward men. Once fertile, now barren, she drifts aimlessly in the wind, never looking quite the same the next time you see her.
You, MonkeyBoyo, are a poet. But maybe I'm biased (see sig).
I read it as:
crYOgenically freeze yoUR body bEfore mArch second. we will amalgaMate OR destroy all nOn-frozeN life then.
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But I counted the circles in the Milk Hill formation, they all have 13 circles. I counted several times. From the angle the picture is taken, the circles at the very end of the arms on the farther side of the picture look a lot smaller than the ones that are closer, so you may have skipped them. But, they all have 13 circles. Besides I think if someone was going to go to all the effort to spend their entire night out there making this thing they would pay attention to the details, like fuked up symmetry, missing circles, etc.
"They won't see a thing" (ever again)
-- particularly if they were looking upwards at the time
The obvious is blinding, that's why no-one sees it coming.
They are a steganographic (sort of) signalling mechanism used by International Terrorists (TM) (and funded by the Axis of Evil (TM)) to communicate with each other.
You see, they know that they only have to make one of these circles and the press (or the Swirlies (TM)) will report it. The intended recipients only need to look it up in their Magic Decoder Ring (circle, actually).
"Method for Secret Communication Utilizing Simple Materials Found Around the Farm."
Do I have a grace period before I file?
<silly-parody>
There are an amaizing(sic) number of closed minds and assumptions out there. 99% of the posts I'm seeing here are people who have heard something once or twice on the radio about some "slashdotters" often with a computer running something called LLinnuchs (try to find that on Google!), and who have made up their minds and decided that every single instance of slashdotting all over the world, past and future, can be explained away by that one method. I had expected a little more from the crop circle circle.
I am one of the biggest skeptics out there, but I always try to balance it with an open-minded analysis of all available facts. Looking at all the factors involved, it seems to me that calling every single slashdotting a hoax with confidence is just impossible. Let's run down some factors here:
Numbers: First off, there's the sheer number of these things occurring all over the world. They often show up on websites where the locals have never heard of the slashdot phenomenon and don't care when they do. They show up on websites where the owner is so poor that there is no money for stupid practical jokes. They show up all over the world. (This factor, in and of itself, I do not offer as complete evidence.)
Size: Some of these slashdottings are huge. An adolescent script kiddie may be able to hit a single website a couple hundred times during the night, but even a team of people (less than a thousand or so) wouldn't be able to finish some of these things in one night. (This factor, in and of itself, I do not offer as complete evidence.)
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And so on. The rest is left to the diligent reader's imagination.
I'd laugh at this and urge modding up for "Funny" but I suspect the poster is serious.
I like this line from the third "2" link:
By definition, hoaxes are forgeries, and forgeries require originals from which to copy. So what is this 'unknown force' that creates genuine crop circles?
If you buy that, I've got a nice screen capture from C-Span of George W. Bush shaking hands with Osama Bin-Laden on the floor of the Senate last Monday, 2003. Contact me and we'll discuss the price, I'm quite good with Photoshop.
My personal theory on what creates genuine crop circles has to do with the chemical action of certain fermented biomasses on carbon based bipedal life forms. More amazing than those odd creatures who create this art is those who find need to invent amazingly complex theories to prove the phenomenon "genuine".
If other people don't, it's their loss, I say.
Why are human beings so scared of crop circles? Why do human beings think that all crop circles are hoaxes? Rhetorical questions, I know. Idiots will respond.
Human beings don't know their ass from a hole in their ass. But they always act like they do. Ignore the scientific proof found at many crop circles, and you act like a typical human being.
I'M NOT SAYING ALL CROP CIRCLES ARE MADE BY ET! I'm not even saying that ANY crop circle HAS been made by ET. But hear what your mind feels comfortable with.
If you don't know the difference between a 'genuine' crop circle and a physically-created hoax circle, then congratulations: you're stupid. Why are most of the posts on this topic so ignorant sounding? Again, rhetorical.
What's a second? An hour? A day?
It has much more to do with
the Earth's rotation than with cesium.
(the more original version)
Why are human beings so scared of crop circles? Why do human beings think that all crop circles are hoaxes? Rhetorical questions, I know. Idiots will respond.
Human beings don't know their ass from a hole in their ass. But they always act like they do. Ignore the scientific proof found at many crop circles, and you act like a typical human being.
I'M NOT SAYING ALL CROP CIRCLES ARE MADE BY ET! I'm not even saying that ANY crop circle HAS been made by ET. But hear what your mind feels comfortable with.
If you don't know the difference between a 'genuine' crop circle and a physically-created hoax circle, then congratulations: you're stupid. Why are most of the posts on this topic so ignorant sounding? Again, rhetorical.
What's a second? An hour? A day?
It has much more to do with
the Earth's rotation than with cesium.
Come on people! GENUINE crop circles are NOT made with ropes. There are plenty of physical changes in the structure of the crop itself that are NOT POSSIBLE using physical methods of creation.
This reply is not intended to belittle the parent post. But I felt it appropriate to remind people that GENUINE crop circles are NOT made with ROPE.
Shall I say it one more time?
What's a second? An hour? A day?
It has much more to do with
the Earth's rotation than with cesium.
A wilder theory is that this is leading to some sort of social control. In the past you had religion and the fear of eternal damnation to keep people in line. More recently it's been a fear of communism. Fear of "evil doers" is not very salient today. So how about fear of aliens? Gov't spacecraft masquerade as aliens, probe some butts to make it seem real, flash some lights across the sky, the motive being to keep people in line.
Do some research if you hear terms you don't understand. Like "strange energy disturbances" - you don't have to play dumb - you can figure out what it means.
For example, this information might educate you.
Or maybe this will. Don't blame me for the background image.
Oh yeah, don't whine about the sources. If you don't like the information, either do some research yourself or continue being ignorant.
Also, a Google search can do wonders to assist in the removal of ignorance.
Whatever "ignorance" means.
What's a second? An hour? A day?
It has much more to do with
the Earth's rotation than with cesium.
This post should alleviate your confusion: Come on people, use your brains.
For additional understanding, I will keep it simple. HUMANS with rope and sticks are responsible for creating HOAX circles. EITHER ET OR HUMANS with advanced technology are responsible for creating GENUINE crop circles.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
What's a second? An hour? A day?
It has much more to do with
the Earth's rotation than with cesium.
Doesn't much matter. The reason circles are astride tractor tracks is that they provide an easy way for the pranksters to walk in and out without leaving evidence of their visit.
You're right, but that's a very different point from the original poster's: he said that the tracks were used as guidelines for the circles, which in many cases is obviously incorrect.
This isn't as much "normalization" as it is "don't take so many drugs when you're designing tables."
Jeebus Hates them crop-circles. Hate dem BAD. They Of da DEBIL! OOOh, he hate circle-demons! Dem demons gots nothing to do but messs up the corn! Corn is God's and Jeebus' crops! Holy it is! Grows in Iowa! Demons try to take Jeebus' Corn! Roll it up and ssmoke it! Preciouss stop them, make them stand the cropsses back up again! Makess them pay. no more ssilly circlesses.
When I open my eyes, I see them. They're on Crossing Over with John Edwards.
Actually, it looks an awful lot like one edge of that pattern lines up with the track.
Not to mention that they couldn't finish it in one night! What kind of sloppy aliens are they?
Apparently all the yahooing on /. is to mask the
... the scientific community is,
fact that, actually, those who make fun of this
and other supernormal subjects are in the minority
(a very tiny minority).
That minority may like to think that it is the
voice of reason in a world gone mad, but as others
have noted well
if anything, more rabid than the Puritans of
Salem. Burning witches is their stock and trade.
Everybody is entitled to their own pet theory (at least as long as the present powers-that-be refrain from setting new precedents ... a few more days, maybe).
/.), such a heretic stands subject to persecution more rabid than that wreaked by the Puritans of Salem.
... I'll hunt around for it). Peer review has degenerated into a cat and mouse game of fudge factors and political favoritism. Scrutiny is meaningless if there is an unwillingness to think differently.
All this discussion brings to mind Thomas Kuhn and his book, "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions."
Be forewarned, people, anyone who dares gainsay the scientific crowd (in evidence is one proudly on display at
Burning witches is a scientist's stock and trade. One should not be surprised at that. They tell you repeatedly that no theory is sacrocanct, no assertion is above scrutiny, only peer review based upon the least common denominator of the hypothetico-deductive/analytico-inferential method can purify.
The problem is, hypothetico-deductive/analytico-inferential methods are shoddy logic and, besides, haven't been endorsed by mainstream academics for at least 70 years (I'm thinking of a quote from the Chair of MIT's Physics department while Richard Feynman was attending
This forum is an illustration that one should not be surprised at any scientific community's astounding ignorance. One should rather be astounded when someone is given a proper hearing.
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Decent post, except for the off-topic last sentance.
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I was looking at some photos and come to the conclusion that I would be able to paint these crop circles using Photoshop or PaintShopPro into some photographs of corn fields within a few hours. Also, of many crop circles there seems to be only one photo.
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In particular, I'm quite skeptical of your claim to be "one of the biggest skeptics out there." Available evidence in the above post indicates that you are quite credulous.
Check your facts prior to flaming, eh?
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