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Going Cyberpunk

goingincirclez writes "Cnet has an article about the development of a "Neuro-chip". This can be implanted in the brain and is currently being researched for medical uses. The article makes a brief mention the composition of pictures on a computer based on signlas receieved from the brain. Couple this development with the information in this Wired article from last October, and I can't help but wonder how far we are from literally being able to record dreams and thoughts?" On a similar note there are stories about a temperature-sensing implantable microchip and a scientist who claims he can tell whether you've committed a crime.

212 comments

  1. The John Ashcroft implantable microchip by Ikoma+Andy · · Score: 3, Funny

    "98.6! Take him away, boys, he's guilty of somethin'!"

    1. Re:The John Ashcroft implantable microchip by dkf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've no problem with this so long as we screen all our elected representatives, judges, lawyers and police officers before starting on anyone else...

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    2. Re:The John Ashcroft implantable microchip by grub · · Score: 3, Funny


      I've no problem with this so long as we screen all our elected representatives, judges, lawyers and police officers

      That would be useless. Reptiles don't generate internal heat.

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    3. Re:The John Ashcroft implantable microchip by buswolley · · Score: 1

      actually they do. I mean the bodility chemical reactions cant all be endothermic, and probably predominately exothermic. However, a reptiles blood is not used to move heat throughout the body.

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  2. Perfect tool for "Minority Report" !!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Bush is sure to buy it for "Homeland Security" and "Total Information Awareness" !!! Constitution and Bill of Rights fed into the Enron Paper Shredder !!!

  3. Imagine this idea by Rooked_One · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Right now, we are limited to a mouse and keyboard to compete in games like quake 3.

    Imagine that all you would have to do is hook a little matrix type needle in your head and you could compete based on pure reflexes and just how fast your brain can work, and not on a malfunctioning optical mouse.

    Geez, when I think of it like that, there could be all sorts of implications for something like this from being a lie detector to measureing IQ.

    1. Re:Imagine this idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah yes, I can see it now...school children get tested for IQ at an early age, and the smart ones get put in accelerated classes and the dumb ones get put in normal classes. It sounds nice, but I can already hear the people whining about little Johnny not being put in a class with the 130+ crowd when he scored 85-90. Actually, that's the way public school works now isn't it, only with more politcal stuff than I mentioned.

    2. Re:Imagine this idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      ...measureing IQ

      70

    3. Re:Imagine this idea by Deth_Master · · Score: 1

      yeah, then you could install this and not even need a monitor
      w00t

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    4. Re:Imagine this idea by cap'n+foolsy · · Score: 1

      and imagine how interactive pr0n could be

      kobe tai virtual blowjob... hah!

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    5. Re:Imagine this idea by Anonymous+Hack · · Score: 5, Funny

      You know, the whole "Matrix-type needle" thing bugs me. It's so... clinical. I want a fuckin rock'n'roll guitar jack in my head a la the Shadowrun RPG. If you're going to plug your PC into your head the least you could do is make sure it's a fashion statement and not some kinda wimpy little pin interface.

      I can see it now:
      Dell jack - Comes in beige plastic and lasts about two weeks.
      Toshiba jack - "It's not a jack, it's a mini-jack." For the mobile computing professional.
      Sun jack - "We don't sell jacks." You need com.sun.java.io.jack installed on whatever other jack you have.
      Sony jack - Comes with integrated DRM to fry you if you download MP3s to your brain.
      VIA jack - Mini-ITX version implants the whole PC in your head.
      IBM jack - It's square. And comes in clusters.
      Apple jack - Mmmm yum. Comes in translucent tangerine, but doesn't actually do anything because all the connections are wireless.

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    6. Re:Imagine this idea by SpaceJunkie · · Score: 1

      You forgot a couple: Microsoft Jack - Its big, its black and weighs about 5 kilos - and has some wierd green blob. This also containts integrated DRM. Nintendo Jack - its cute and has little mushrooms or electrocuted yellow mice on it. Time Computers Jack - Stability not guaranteed.. Probably would end up causing skin infections when fitted...

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    7. Re:Imagine this idea by mystran · · Score: 1
      Once we have fast enough processors in small enough size, I don't really see a reason why we couldn't use serial connection. If we use normal stereo plug with signal, ground and power, why not ?

      It just means that the processor inside your brain has to be able to decode the signal on the fly.

      The nice things comes when we can do this bi-directionally. To see, hear, taste and feel what a computers sends you is nice, but how about when you can control the computer with your though.

      Drug dealers are not going to like this though, as it makes their chemical alternatives look inflexible and boring.

      Wonder when we get MicroSoft Visual Psychedelics with DirectBrain acceleration.

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    8. Re:Imagine this idea by Bicoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Would you really want a cranial jack? Or would you want to go wifi? Part of me would rather not have an unsightly USB port on the back of my skull, but then, being plugged in all the time woulf make you more vulnerable to hacking. When someone hacks your PC, it's not a huge deal...at worst, you have to reformat your hard drive. But if they hacked your brain...

      I see this mainly as a way to have true input/output from a cybernetic prosthesis, allowing the fake leg to do real things. Maybe hardcore MMOG players (read: otaku) would get it as well so they could truly live in those environments and escape reality. Other than than....do people really want the privacy of their own thoughts violated? A mindreading device would crash and burn because everyone has their own secrets they don't want anyone else to know. Though black market industry might take over...consider the House of Blue Lights from Gibson's Burning Chrome. Or chips in two people's brains (one monitoring input and one controlling output) so that one of the people is basically experiencing and controlling the other body. I could see a lot of market for THAT for government, celebrities, and big business...want to go somewhere but you don't want to have to be followed by bodygards? Use a puppet body so no matter what happens to the body, you're still safe at home.

      Regardless, this is more likely to become a black market technology. You can use it in too many unethical ways that would never be approved by law but still have both the $$ and desire to be done.

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    9. Re:Imagine this idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd go stark raving mad.

    10. Re:Imagine this idea by Herkum01 · · Score: 1

      unsightly USB port on the back of my skull

      God Dammit Bob, your dangling again! Can't you get that fixed?

    11. Re:Imagine this idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello verison? Yeah, i need a T1 line run into my skull...

    12. Re:Imagine this idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. And then you get a little power-failiure and end up with a hard boiled brain.

      Sweet!

    13. Re:Imagine this idea by Peterus7 · · Score: 1
      But then again, if one figured out how to program images INTO the human brain....

      *Student sits down in chair, plugs USB cord into jack on back of his head*
      *Flashy lights*
      "Hello class, today's lesson will be on..."

      Think of the possibilities.... Or even better, send a porno STRAIGHT to the brain. Hell, a full adventure. Screw the holodeck, this is better.

      There is no spoon...

    14. Re:Imagine this idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But people would hack it so Kobe Tai bites yer pecker off and you can't turn the game off!

    15. Re:Imagine this idea by Zirnike · · Score: 1
      "Or would you want to go wifi?"

      Wifi? Man, could you imagine women wandering around with a gadget that sees what guys are thinking about? 'Me naked... Me naked... Me naked with... I don't even want to know why I'd be with Janet Reno...'

      "Or chips in two people's brains"

      Why make it one way? Trade bodies with your SO for a night. Really figure out what turns her on. Find out how annoying it is to not be able to reach the stuff on the top shelf. Or in reverse, learn a whole new skill, learning to sit without sitting on 'the boys'.

      How about something else: Go, do laundry in 'record' mode. Next time you do laundry, playback. Computer interrupts for your help if something goes wrong. So you can play a 'movie' or whatever. Or or those who don't like to exercise, have the computer work out while you surf the web.

      For the kinky: You now have to obey orders. Unless you're either insane or very trusting, you'd have some sort of override, but otherwise... 'Your arms and legs cannot move. Your mouth is as sensitive as 'other bits' normally are. Prepare to be kissed'

      For work: You can visualize nice models in space. Makes things like checking for fit, altering designs, incredibly fast. How about designs that you want to 'look cool' but you aren't good enough at drawing to do? Or work with 2 chips: Something's broken? Let me take a look. Forget 'doubleclick on 'My Computer'...

      Man, I'd love one of those. So, would I really want one? Hell, yeah.

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    16. Re:Imagine this idea by dcmeserve · · Score: 2, Funny
      How about something else: Go, do laundry in 'record' mode. Next time you do laundry, playback.

      I'd tend to think that would fall under the category of "if you could do that, you'd already be able to build a robot to do it."

      Or or those who don't like to exercise, have the computer work out while you surf the web.

      Now that I like the sound of!

      For work: You can visualize nice models in space.

      Ok, I'm thinking Cindy Crawford -- but then it's not so great with the space suit in the way.
      What does that have to do with work, by the way?

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    17. Re:Imagine this idea by Max+von+H. · · Score: 1

      "Or chips in two people's brains (one monitoring input and one controlling output) so that one of the people is basically experiencing and controlling the other body. I could see a lot of market for THAT for government, celebrities, and big business...want to go somewhere but you don't want to have to be followed by bodygards? Use a puppet body so no matter what happens to the body, you're still safe at home."

      I suggest you read Neal Stephenson's "Interface", co-written by Frederick George. It's about a politician running for president getting a brain implant after a stroke. I'm not telling any more :)

      It's a good read which raises some issues that are not so far-fetched in regard of recent biochips development.

      Sadly, it is also the book containing the largest amount of typos I've ever witnessed, almost one each page! It seems to be recurent with Stephenson's book; weird. Anybody else noticed this?

      Cheers,
      max

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  4. if there is anything that Tom Cruise has taught me by AssFace · · Score: 5, Funny

    its that only shaved psychic genetic freaks that float in a comatose state in a vat underground can tell me who has committed a crime.

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  5. record your dreams... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...how far we are from literally being able to record dreams and thoughts?

    What is that?

    It's the Matrix.

    1. Re:record your dreams... by GamezCore.com · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't know about you, but some of my dreams are better left forgotten... and some could just get me in trouble with the Mrs. ;)

      I'll pass on the ability to TiVo my nights sleep.

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  6. 5th Amendment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If (and I'm stressing that if) this becomes "widely accepted", couldn't one simply refuse to allow oneself to be tested, as it would really just be another form of self incrimination, which we are protected from by the 5th Amendment? After all, each of these little "brain spikes" would be like the defendant muttering "I did it" each time he was shown a card with evidence on it.

    1. Re:5th Amendment by leonardluen · · Score: 1

      also what happens when lets say you were only defending yourself, but the little brain reader 9000 says "hey he knows a bit too much about the crime scene...he must have killed her!"

    2. Re:5th Amendment by Rewtie · · Score: 2, Informative

      In the article, it states that the suspect agreed to the test. So, yes, we (in the USA anyhow) would still be protected under the 5th Amendment.

      Not that I see this technology going to use in many other countries...

      "We have eyewitnesses stating that the gunman was tall, white, with blonde hair."
      "So what? This guy wants to run against me next year. I say he did it, and he must be put to death."

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    3. Re:5th Amendment by gilroy · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Blockquoth the poster:

      If (and I'm stressing that if) this becomes "widely accepted", couldn't one simply refuse to allow oneself to be tested, as it would really just be another form of self incrimination, which we are protected from by the 5th Amendment?

      Sure. Just like your right to refuse a breathalyzer test if pulled over by the cops. Except, of course, that if you exercise this right, the state is allowed to revoke your driving privileges effectively immediately. It won't take long before refusing to take the test will itself be taken as a confession.
    4. Re:5th Amendment by Eimi+Metamorphoumai · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I hate to be pedantic (actually that's a lie, I love to be pedantic), but if you were only defending himself you still did kill her. If that's the case then don't try to pretend you didn't, but instead claim self defence. In which case the machine would be of no use, since what happened wouldn't really be in question, merely the motives and intentions and details. There are plenty of strong arguments against brain fingerprinting, but that's the stupidest one I've heard yet.

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    5. Re:5th Amendment by Greyfox · · Score: 1

      "Enemy Combantants" do not qualify for Bill of Rights protection.

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    6. Re:5th Amendment by mshiltonj · · Score: 1

      couldn't one simply refuse to allow oneself to be tested

      Don't count on it. If it is possible to do, the state can compel you to do it. Don't think the Bill of Rights can protect you -- that's outdated thinking. We are in a new era now.

    7. Re:5th Amendment by LucidityZero · · Score: 2, Interesting
      It won't take long before refusing to take the test will itself be taken as a confession.


      Not sure where you live, but here in Virginia refusing to take the test already IS a confession. Been that way for some time. Same thing in Maryland and DC.
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    8. Re:5th Amendment by SpaceJunkie · · Score: 1

      English law rights already have similar things in place. In the UK silence is basically an admission of guilt. You are not told "You have the right to remain silent", you are told "Anything you do not say now may later harm your defence" or something like that. IANAL - could someone better grounded in this give us a more accurate quote please?

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    9. Re:5th Amendment by wowbagger · · Score: 1

      All the 5th prevents is the government forcing a confession out of you.

      If you plead the 5th, the court and the jury are quite legally allowed to accept that as an admission of some form of guilt - hence why refusing to take a blood alchohol test is grounds for losing your license.

      That is also why DA's will frequently give amnesty to a defendant - by saying "OK, nothing you say on matter X can be used against you" your 5th amendment rights no longer attach. So the government can say "OK, you can no longer take the fifth about what you and Joey did, since it cannot be used to incriminate YOU. If you fail to answer these questions, you will be found in contempt and locked up until you comply."

    10. Re:5th Amendment by andyt · · Score: 4, Informative

      In the UK silence is basically an admission of guilt. You are not told "You have the right to remain silent", you are told "Anything you do not say now may later harm your defence" or something like that. IANAL - could someone better grounded in this give us a more accurate quote please?

      "You do not have to say anything but it may harm your defence if you do not mention now, anything you later rely on in court. Anything you do say will be given in evidence."

      We lost the "Right to Silence" in the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994. Under the new laws, although we are under no obligation to self-incriminate, the court can now make inferences as regards to silence under the following circumstances :

      1) Failure to mention a fact when questioned under caution before charge which is relied on in defence.

      2) Failure on being charged with an offence or informed of likely prosecution, to mention a fact which it would have been reasonable to mention at the time.

      3) Failure or refusal to account for objects, substances or marks found on your person, in or on your clothing or otherwise in your possession, in the place where you were arrested (if asked).

      4) Failure or refusal after your arrest to account for your presence at a place at or about the time the offence is alleged to have been committed (if asked)

      info from : Liberty UK

    11. Re:5th Amendment by The+Mgt · · Score: 1
      In the UK silence is basically an admission of guilt.


      AFAIK just in England and Wales.
    12. Re:5th Amendment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It's unfortunately seen as a right to have a driver's license. It isn't. It's a privilege. The government regulates this for the protection of everyone on the road. And, you sign a contract with the government that says that you will give a breathalyzer test whenever they demand it of you, else they can (and will) revoke your license.

      They can't do this with basic rights; that would violate the Constitution. They legitimately can't put you in jail or any such if you refuse a breathalyzer test.
      Unfortunately, I fear that I most post this anonymously, as in the past, people have misconstrued my statements as trolls of flamebait.

    13. Re:5th Amendment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would insist that several other people be tested, to compare my results against.

      Has this guy tested out "brain fingerprints" from a criminal involved in a crime vs. an investigator, who could also have similar responses to the same images? What about responses from people exposed to similar, but not exact, situations?
      Are they fingerprinted to see if similar images from other crime scenes evoke similar responses in the suspect?

      Then, of course, you'll eventually have criminals-to-be that "train" themselves for this test, so that there is enough noise in their head that they would argue that a positive test is not conclusive, just like truck drivers who will knowingly sleep deprive when taking their "baseline" skills reaction tests so that when they really are bad, they're still within limits.

    14. Re:5th Amendment by gilroy · · Score: 1
      Blockquoth the poster:

      "You do not have to say anything but it may harm your defence if you do not mention now, anything you later rely on in court. Anything you do say will be given in evidence."

      We lost the "Right to Silence" in the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994. Under the new laws, although we are under no obligation to self-incriminate, the court can now make inferences as regards to silence under the following circumstances :

      Every once in a while I read something that reignites my admiration for those dead white guys who crafted the United States Constitution (and its Bill of Rights). There's no way this sort of right should be removable by a simple law. Now if only the modern successors to Jefferson, Hamilton, et al, had one-tenth the political vision and backbone...
    15. Re:5th Amendment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      "the state is allowed to revoke your driving privileges"

      I believe the subtle difference here is that driving is not a right. many seem to be confused on this issue (and are likely the same crowd jauntng around with cellphones jammed to their heads).

    16. Re:5th Amendment by rark · · Score: 1

      Not that I particularly agree with it, but driving is a privilege that can be revoked by the state more or less at it's whim.

      Innocence is not.

      Which is not to say that I don't think it won't be tried, but that the legal issues are significantly different and there is probably a prayer of the Supreme Court striking it down if someone is convicted solely because they refused to take the test.

  7. No reading of minds yet by AntiFreeze · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Quoth the article:

    "For example, you could put slices from brain nerve cells on the chip, apply drugs and see how the nerve signals" and cells react to a particular drug, he said in an interview.

    So reading one's mind is still _far_ in the future. That said, it's still a very cool technology which will allow for more information on how the brain works, and hopefully some serious medical advances.

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    1. Re:No reading of minds yet by blindcoder · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And that's a shame.

      Is there anyone else out there who sometimes when coding has the feeling:

      Dammit... I have all that code in my brain, and now I have to type away hours on the keyboard to put it into my 'puter.

      I really hoped that this feeling would finally be able to subside...

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    2. Re:No reading of minds yet by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      That effect may be coming much sooner than genuine Mind Reading (if it's even possible).

      Mind Reading (as the term is commonly used), implies that the subject's actual, abstract thoughts are understood. This could possibly be more difficult than creating a self-aware AI.

      Using some kind of neural-uplink to accelerate your data input speed is a drastically easier challenge- a foolish, wealthy person could even trying having one installed today (no guarantees of fitness or safety, though!)

      Look at research like the CyberMonkey. (It mentions a biochip as a less invasive, higher resolution way to perform the procedure)

      A willing human could get a bundle of electrodes buried into his cortex, and plugged via a USB interface into your computer. Then, with a lot of practice against a program that gives visible feedback, the subject could learn to control the eletrodes enough to manuver a mouse or keyboard equivalent.

      Any guesses as to how many of his existing muscular systems will be paralyzed by the tampering?

    3. Re:No reading of minds yet by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 1

      Any guesses as to how many of his existing muscular systems will be paralyzed by the tampering?

      The brain is super redundant. I'm guessing with enough research it would be possible for the chip to be connected up in such a fashion that it become a true extension, rather than a replacement to already existing motor skills.

      Then again, maybe not. But if we have directly wired internet access, who needs motor skills anyway?

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    4. Re:No reading of minds yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, actually the typing doesn't take much time at all, compared to the thinking about the problem.

    5. Re:No reading of minds yet by MacJedi · · Score: 2, Informative
      A willing human could get a bundle of electrodes buried into his cortex, and plugged via a USB interface into your computer. Then, with a lot of practice against a program that gives visible feedback, the subject could learn to control the eletrodes enough to manuver a mouse or keyboard equivalent.
      There are a number of technical problems that have yet to be solved. Firstly, there's biocompatibility. Any extracellular electrodes implanted in the brain get "walled off" by plaques remarkably quickly. And of course, as this happens the signals from the electrodes become weaker and weaker until they are useless

      Secondly, there's the problem of spike sorting. There is, AFAIK, no fully automatic way to detect and sort spike trains from multiple-extracellular electrodes in real-time. (ie to be able to tell how many neurons are "talking" to any single electrode.)

      Finally, the level of plasticity in the adult brain is an unknown quantity. Primate studies are suggestive, but there doesn't seem to be a consensus on how to best have a machine "talk" to the brain. Should we have the brain learn how to do it? Have the machine learn to do it? Some combination of these? What about for paralytics-- how do you train someone to use a very specific part of the brain. Remember that you're recording from at best a few hundred cells!

      Any guesses as to how many of his existing muscular systems will be paralyzed by the tampering?
      Probably surprisingly few if you have a good neurosurgeon. And if he is paralyzed to begin with it might not matter.

      /joeyo

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  8. Most important use: by Ann+Coulter · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Orgasmatron. This, and a replacement for addictive drugs, are the most important functions of cybernetics. And fortunately, they are pretty easy to implement, as opposed to mind transfers or the like.

    1. Re:Most important use: by Ravagin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Man, I want me a tasp. The thought of sitting quietly in a corner of the Commons and remotely inducing orgasms in my fellow students fills me with sadistic glee.

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    2. Re:Most important use: by Glock27 · · Score: 1

      Heh, wireheads unite! I wonder when the organ-legging will begin...oh wait it already has.

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  9. This reminds me of Shadowrun by netwalkr · · Score: 1, Insightful

    When I can run a rollover cable from my head into the console port of network devices then start the neurological version of tera term I'll be in nirvana.

  10. An upside... by The+G · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You know, I'm glad there are scientists out there who can tell whether I've committed a crime. Because with all these bizarre and incomprehensible laws out there, I sure as heck don't know when I have. Perhaps if I get one of these chip things it will tell me when my code touches a patented technology or happens to break some loser's copy-protection technology from the mid-80s.
    --G

    1. Re:An upside... by glenrm · · Score: 3, Funny

      Could you sus out the size of the chip they would have to insert in your meat bod to hold the tax code, ouch!

    2. Re:An upside... by ch-chuck · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You pull an old tv out of the attic and check it out, thinking it might sell on eBay. Just as you turn the UHF knob toward the upper end of the dial a paralysing shock knocks your hand numb and a loud thought-voice says, in a friendly, evenly modulated female tone, "I'm sorry, you were about to tune into a frequency band used for private unencrypted voice conversations, prohibited by federal law. I cannot allow that to happen Dave."

      Next day during a break at work, you come across, in the dark fringe areas of the web, a very large prime number - suddenly your field of vision blacks out with a searing headache and the same thought-voice says, "I'm sorry, you were about to view a number which, when uncompressed, contains information that may be used to circumvent video copy protection, prohibited by federal law. I cannot allow that to happen Dave."

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    3. Re:An upside... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      If it's the report I ran into last year, even his real claims were rather thoroughly debunked. He wasn't much more accurate than an ordinary lie detector test. I believe that the voice stress analyser did a better job. But people keep trying, so sooner or later they'll at least be able to decide if you believe you comitted a crime.

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    4. Re:An upside... by CommieLib · · Score: 4, Interesting

      'There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. When there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. ... Create a nation of law-breakers, and then you cash in on the guilt.'

      -Ayn Rand "Atlas Shrugged"

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    5. Re:An upside... by Kwil · · Score: 1

      Pfah.. telling whether you've committed a crime (at least in the US) is easy.

      Since the very act of creating code is obviously something that would only be done by evil terrorists, hackers, or microsoft employees, then you are a criminal.

      See? Easy.

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    6. Re:An upside... by alexpage · · Score: 1

      Christ, you'd think I could at least configure it to get my damn name right... ;)

  11. -=What Is It To Be Human?=- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Is approaching faster then we think, we shouldn't fear changes, we should embrace them. I think we all know what this annoucement means, we've known this was coming for a long time. However, the rest of the world did not. Most people are completely ignorant to changes like this, they live in there own little world, and when that world is threatened, they turn to violence and religionism. They try to stop scientific progress.

    The long term applications are many, but so are the negative uses. I think we should establish exactly what it means to be human, and concentrate on preserving it. Is it our DNA? No. Is it in our appearence? Again, No. Our Limitations? No. So what is the essence of being human?

    I believe, that, in the future, we will change our DNA, enhance ourselves with technology, but not so much that we don't resemble humans any more in form. What is really important, is we preserve that spark that is humanity. Our ambitions, ethics, our yearning for knowledge, Our many differences...

    -A Sixteen Year Old High School Student.

    1. Re:-=What Is It To Be Human?=- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep! I guess I should register at slashdot, I visit this site every day... ;)

    2. Re:-=What Is It To Be Human?=- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remind me... why does it matter whether we're human or not?

    3. Re:-=What Is It To Be Human?=- by Nakanai_de · · Score: 1
      So what is the essence of being human?

      I wrote a paper on this in college, or, more specifically, on Shirow Masamune's answer to this question, as presented in Ghost in the Shell . In fact, a lot of the posts relating to this story pertain to GitS. Direct-to-brain data ports, "ghost" hacking, the nature of humanity... Granted, I'm shamelessly plugging here, but I think the manga is something every /.er should read.

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      Sono koro, bokura wa, sore ga sekai no shinjitsu da to shinjite ita.

  12. Increase brain usage? by Dagowolf · · Score: 1

    I find myself wondering if advances like this could lead us to ways to increase the percentage of our brain that we use. I believe, and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, that we use somewhere around 10% of our brain. Imagine if a few microchips and such could elevate that to 25%.

    1. Re:Increase brain usage? by benwb · · Score: 4, Informative
    2. Re:Increase brain usage? by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 0

      If there's any truth behind the 10% brain-usage myth, it may lie in the difference between kinds of cells in the brain.

      We've all heard of neurons, the interesting ones, with a blob of chemical receptors on one end and a multi-centimeter electrically-conductive tail on the other.

      But also there are neuroglyia (doubt I can spell that). They account for most of the mass of a brain, but are not believed to engage in important checmical or electrical reactions.

      Nonetheless, they at least serve the purpose of keeping the neurons properly supported, with correct amounts of spacing between them. So even if most of the brain's cells don't carry nerve impluses, it's incorrect to say they're not being used.

    3. Re:Increase brain usage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, the 10% thing is a myth. not sure what the origin is (maybe the glia vs neuron thing mentioned previously), it may also be derived from really early neurophysiology studies that found very little spontaneous activity in the cerebral cortex in aneshetized animals. that doesn't mean the tissue isn't ever being used, it just means that the animal wasn't doing anything to use it at the moment of measurement. and w/r/t previous posts suggesting that this is a mind reading device, keep in mind that even if we could record from millions of neurons at once (still a fraction of the total in mammalian brains) we wouldn't know what to do with that much data, and we probably wouldn't recognize anything important in it anyway. just some pessimism...

    4. Re:Increase brain usage? by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      Which 90% of your brain is dispensible?

      Or, how often have you seen a doctor say "The car crash has dammaged your wife's brain, but fortunately it's part of the brain that she dosen't use!"

      In other words, this is a myth.

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    5. Re:Increase brain usage? by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 1

      Actually we use 100% of our brain... just people haven't figured out what 90% of it does...

      --
      Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
    6. Re:Increase brain usage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We only use 10% of our brains, but there's a 90% chance that's wrong.

  13. Um... Has anyone NOT committed a crime? by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With laws like the U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T. act and the DMCA, hasn't pretty much everyone broken the law now? It hardly takes a scientists to tell whether someone's a criminal these days. Hell, it's been true for decades that the tax code is so fiendishly complex that no one can understand it, let alone comply with it fully. And if all else fails, there's always the speed limit laws...

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    1. Re:Um... Has anyone NOT committed a crime? by Rewtie · · Score: 1

      The article basically says that the suspect is shown images of the crime that only the person who commited the crime would know.

      We're in trouble if they use this technique on petty crimes... rolling through a stop sign, taking a pen from the office, speeding, downloading wares/mp3s...

      --
      Ever Onward, Forward Bound
    2. Re:Um... Has anyone NOT committed a crime? by SpaceJunkie · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I would be sure that the chip would probably only sense guilt. Its certainly would not be difficult to sense a lie. So I dont think DMCA violations would be quite the same.
      But then surely- when someone is twisted enough to be a serial killer- they may feel no remorse or guilt for their crime.. But they would still be hiding something- and very aware of that fact. So in times of a major crime- you would end up rounding up all the people with something to hide - asking them direct questions and seeing if they are lieing. Of course - there is the possibility that someone could so much of a psychopath that they can lie without triggering the same mechanisms. I am not a neurologist or psychologist - but someone who is that far damaged my have incompatible brain chemistry or physiology.

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      OrionRobots.co.uk - Robots From sol
    3. Re:Um... Has anyone NOT committed a crime? by SpaceJunkie · · Score: 1

      I could see the UK and US turning to testing for AL-Qiada or other terrorist program training at point of entry for asylum seekers and immigrants. Of course that woudl mean a tightening of laws and other deterrents/security to stop illegal immigrants who would not be tested.
      Not that I am expressing any opinion here- just what could happen.

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      OrionRobots.co.uk - Robots From sol
    4. Re:Um... Has anyone NOT committed a crime? by sckeener · · Score: 2, Informative

      In the 80s, the FBI said 99.9% of the population have committed a federal crime worthy of jail time.

      With laws like the PATRIOT act and DMCA, I'd say they are going after that .1%

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      "Only one thing, is impossible for god: to find any sense in any copyright law on the planet." Mark Twain
    5. Re:Um... Has anyone NOT committed a crime? by The+Mgt · · Score: 1

      Polygraph tests are not admissible as evidence in the UK as they're not considered to be in any way reliable.
      I can't see 'brain fingerprinting' gaining any acceptance here for the same reason.

    6. Re:Um... Has anyone NOT committed a crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sounds like bill cilt-on

  14. Implantable may be, but will you survive? by lhuiz · · Score: 1

    This new chip might well be implantable in the brain. But see this comment from the chip's inventor's press release: "The cell tissue is not damaged in this process and can be kept alive over a period of several weeks."

  15. Imagine...! by I)_MaLaClYpSe_(I · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Just imagine all the horrible ways in which this technology could be abused!
    And as we all know, everything you can think of will be done! What can YOU think of?

    *shudder*

    If there is one lesson we can learn from history, it is that we dont learn from history ~ dont know whose quote

    1. Re:Imagine...! by SpaceJunkie · · Score: 1

      Has anyone here read "Fallen Dragon" by Peter Hamilton. In it, they get a captured terrorist to expose his actions by putting him in a simulation without him knowing. They accurately observe his abilities and reactions and use it to gather leads to his organisation. This is a much simplified rendering - but that would be self-incrimination alright.

      But the positive use could be rapid extennded learning programs. Imagine a neurochip technology which would allow us to learn didactically- much like Neo does at the beginning of The Matrix. Yet another technology explored well by Peter Hamiltons SF.

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      OrionRobots.co.uk - Robots From sol
    2. Re:Imagine...! by leonardluen · · Score: 1

      you don't need to be a brain surgeon in order to abuse technology.

      look at a pencil...just think how many ways that could be abused!

      Oh my god, i could write down a plot to murder the , and then give it to all my co-conspirators so they know my plans...

    3. Re:Imagine...! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can think of using this as a device to force the people who would abuse it to be in a living hell. Torture, without damaging the body it's attached to. And, according to you, it will be done, because I just imagined it. Yay! See you in hell, DMCA, PATRIOT fiends! And yes, my mind is a vault of horrors. So I know about a quarter of the ways this will be abused already.

      History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes. (Mark Twain)

    4. Re:Imagine...! by Tackhead · · Score: 2, Funny
      Has anyone here read "Fallen Dragon" by Peter Hamilton. In it, they get a captured terrorist to expose his actions by putting him in a simulation without him knowing. They accurately observe his abilities and reactions and use it to gather leads to his organisation. This is a much simplified rendering - but that would be self-incrimination alright.

      Yeah, but that was Back in the Red, by Rob Grant and Doug Naylor, wasn't it?

      (Ah, the world loves a bastard!)

    5. Re:Imagine...! by Taicho · · Score: 1

      That comment is about the most dumbafied line text I have read in a long time...

    6. Re:Imagine...! by deemah · · Score: 1
      Imagine a neurochip technology which would allow us to learn didactically- much like Neo does at the beginning of The Matrix.

      This approach would only really work well as a subsidiary learning technique. There's just more to learning than the mental side.

      I can imagine using this to learn vocabulary and grammar rules when studying a new language, however to speak the language, one needs to learn the muscle movements to make the sounds as well. This secondary part couldn't be taught without physical practice.

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  16. I want to see VR rigs by SpaceJunkie · · Score: 1, Funny

    Imagine neurochip VR rigs. This could bring us into a new era of neuromancer style enhancements.
    One of the big problems posed by VR and AR(augmented reality) was that display devices were always complicated, expensive, and head mounted binocular displays were absolutely foul to use - I have used them enough to say I think they are awful. So far desktop VR has the market share because of these factors.
    I really could see some fantastic AR applications - like a doctor seeing body schematics overlaid when operating - meanwhile all vital signs of the patient are displayed in another corner.
    I wont continue with all the applications - as I am sure we already have a few billion.
    I wonder where Prof. Warwick is in all this - its really his realm...
    Anyway - I will be buying one once they are available...

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    OrionRobots.co.uk - Robots From sol
  17. Imagine this in (what was) Palladium - by Omkar · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Error 404 - It looks like you were thinking if Windows Palladium security protocols are breakable."

  18. In the beginning was the THOUGHT by solendril · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Now what REALLY matters is the interface. It's not much good to have a computer wired to your cortex is all you can do is type on your brain's command line.

    What will make this take off is a thought-processor. An interface device that allows the computer to read your mind. The real challange will be in signal filtering; I don't want to speak for anyone else, but I think about a lot of random crap during the day. How to distinguish legitimate commands from my daydreaming about travel or movies or p0rn?

    Whoever invents this will make Einstein look like a small time celebrity.

    1. Re:In the beginning was the THOUGHT by I)_MaLaClYpSe_(I · · Score: 1

      I am sure you could learn to use the chip like you use your voice: You command, what is said. No problem there...

    2. Re:In the beginning was the THOUGHT by solendril · · Score: 1

      Oh sure, you could use your voice. But that's only a very small step. What I meant was that the true power of the technology wouldn't be unleased until you had a direct mental link.

      A voice activiated chip is essentially no different from a command line, but a thought? Now that's a whole nother ball game.

    3. Re:In the beginning was the THOUGHT by Rewtie · · Score: 1

      Let's just hope MicroSoft doesn't get in the running for the OS. I'd hate to have my brain bluescreen.

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    4. Re:In the beginning was the THOUGHT by SpaceJunkie · · Score: 1

      What about some kind of avatar/fly through 3d interface? The problem is - with the exception of SF - I have never seen a satisfactory one work yet...
      What was the name of that GL based fly through interface for Linux anyone?
      I really thought that even our desktop VR could have dived us into a world not unlike the Neuromancer matrix when we dip into cyberspace.

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      OrionRobots.co.uk - Robots From sol
    5. Re:In the beginning was the THOUGHT by I)_MaLaClYpSe_(I · · Score: 1
      No, I didnt mean using your voice to transfer the data from the chip to the outside world. I meant, lets say, the chip is capable of sending EM signals, ok? Correct me, if Im wrong, you said, that you would send off the chip anything that comes to your mind. Correct?

      Now I say you could easily learn to control what excactly the chip emittes, in the same way as you can control, what your voice emittes. Got my point?

    6. Re:In the beginning was the THOUGHT by axxackall · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I you want an interface to deterministic system (like computer) then you have to train you brain to think more deterministically (like using interactively interpreted programming language).

      Voice, GUI are not good for it as they are interfaces designed for pre-existed I/O devices as hands, mouth, ears and eyes.

      What would be a real improvement is some virtual-reality navigation interface. However, it won't substitute programmable sctable interface.

      But look, if you smart enough then GUI is not enough for you on your today's PC - you run CLI with good shell (at least BASH, using a mix of Perl, Python and Tcl). For example, on GNOME you use nautilus and other GUI stuff for navigation, but you allways create your on scripts, batch files, menu items etc.

      The more important question is: what scipting language to use in brain? I think that this time it should not be imperative language. I would prefer something more mathematical, like Haskell. Perhaps I would use Lisp for driver extensions on that chip. And I'd like to keep many of personal database records in Prolog.

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    7. Re:In the beginning was the THOUGHT by linuxhack · · Score: 1
      It's not much good to have a computer wired to your cortex is all you can do is type on your brain's command line.

      What? I've already done this. I have command promt right in front of me.

      Let's see...
      $ cat /proc/cpuinfo
      processor : 0
      cpu family : 936569265910
      model : 69230642
      cpu THz : 1466.418
      cache size : 256 GB
      fdiv_bug : yes
      hlt_bug : yes
      coma_bug : no
      bogomips : 292263054187341.90

      1466 THz? I can run Mozilla. I wonder if they support this architecture...
      $ cat /proc/loadavg
      0.000 0.000 0.000

      That can't be good.
  19. Why a chip? by joel8x · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Who in their right mind would get a chip implanted in their body? With technology advancing as fast as it does, you would be outdated in a couple of years! A better Idea would be a port that can be easily accessed that can support future upgrades without surgery.

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    1. Re:Why a chip? by Rewtie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why a port? They suffer the same technology advancement as a chip. SCSI, SCSI-II, UltraSCSI, SuperFantasticWoweeSCSI... USB, USB2... PCMCIA/PCMCIA2... technology simply will not stand still.

      Now, a piece of re-imprintable silicon would be an interesting concept. Something that sits just beneath the epidermal layer, and is "flashable", thus reprogrammable. That would be interesting.

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    2. Re:Why a chip? by axxackall · · Score: 2, Interesting
      For that port you need a port controller (aka SCSI, Firewire, USB or other I/O) and that requires the chip. And you need a smart controller in orer to constantly adapt to constantly adaptable brain.

      Your SCSI controller is not too diff from what you had 5 or even 10 years ago. Why? B/c since the beginning it has been designed right.

      Same thing here, once the neuro controller will be designed righ, you'll upgrade mostly your gateway software.

      P.S. I wonder if the IP address of our brains will be IPv6, when will we need IPv8 ?

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      Less is more !
    3. Re:Why a chip? by patch-rustem · · Score: 1

      Don't panic. The article says "you could put slices from brain nerve cells on the chip". It should be easy to move you're brain slices, to you're lasted hardware without the need for surgery.

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    4. Re:Why a chip? by SpaceJunkie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How about an "Industry Standard Bioport"... One that needs to be nicely lubed up before interfacing... Hehe...
      But to avoid standard port and interfacing problems - how about complementing the imprintable sillicon idea(aboce posting) with some kind of broadband wireless system - thus eliminating plug in ports... 802.11b in my head. Of course given current safety concerns over mobile phones - it might be better to have the antennae implanted in your arm than annywhere near your head...
      That also gives us a whole new paradigm of mobile communications - datavising! Cool - use your technology to contact your mates, send them images, text or just thoughts... Maybe even patch them to a real time feed. How long before we see something like Sensorium Movies? A long time maybe - but at least we acknowlegde the possibility now.

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    5. Re:Why a chip? by Glock27 · · Score: 1
      A better Idea would be a port that can be easily accessed that can support future upgrades without surgery.

      Like many such devices, a port requires an interface between two different kinds of signals, in this case a signal coming from the computer, and the signals that the neuron understands in the form of weak electrical currents (or chemicals) hitting the right spots in the neurons (to sum up my knowledge on THAT subject;).

      This chip provides a form of that interface, in that it can detect neural activity (I doubt this chip can stimulate activity in the other direction). In a sense you're right in that there will be a progression in the development of these chips and their implementation/implantation in animals, and then humans (this is probably a textbook case of the value of animal research). The trick is really to provide some kind of interface that provides communication with the computer without damaging existing biological structures. It might take more than one implant in order to achieve holodeck-like full sensory immersion (although this is one of the few ways to believably achieve it).

      I'm sure there would be the usual bandwidth issues and so on. Perhaps (as an earlier post suggested) a simple voice interface would be easier to implement. Then we could all experience schizophrenia. ;-)

      [voice from nowhere interrupting sex]
      "This is Bill Gates IVclone. You MUST INSTALL THIS CRITICAL WINDOWSISME SECURITY UPDATE NOW! YOU CAUGHT A V-MAIL INLOOK DISTRIBUTED VIRUS AND ARE FLOODPINGING OUR HEADQUARTERS!"

      Ah, the wonderful world of the future. I can hardly wait. ;-)

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    6. Re:Why a chip? by Dh2000 · · Score: 1

      Hell no!

      Imagine having to wear a hat EVERYWHERE!

      think about it.

    7. Re:Why a chip? by SamSpectre · · Score: 2, Funny

      Uh, no thanks. The last thing I want is a Microsoft Service Pack applied to my brain. Can you imagine the EULA for that?

    8. Re:Why a chip? by MxTxL · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, while everyone is dreaming and throwing around crazy cyberpunk ideas, i'll throw one out. Sure it's equally as unlikely as anything everyone else is spouting off about, but somewhat cool none-the-less.

      Instead of implanted chips or ports, just inject people with a trillion or so microscopic robots. Kinda like the idea of 'mites' from Stephenson's 'Diamond Age'.
      Probably, these little suckers would be too small, to do more than one task, but for that one task they could be really adept and each one (or each hundred or so) could have it's own job. One batch could be 'go seek out the visual cortex neuron 148 and report back what it's doing' and other batchs would have other equally important tasks. Some for input, some for output, others for infrastructure, conceivably others for security, etc... The lot of them work together as a little P2P network passing short-range messages and eventually it all gets reported back to the central computer... which could then do all the nifty ass crap that you can imagine by being brain-linked to a computer. Infinite recall, knowledge, processing, simulations... you're in the matrix now.

      The little critters wouldn't ever be obsolete cause you could replace them from time to time by getting a shot... there is a lot of redundancy, and (assuming you have the micro technology to make them in the first place) would be probably pretty damn cheap to make and use.

  20. Lie detectors said the same thing 20 years ago by selderrr · · Score: 1

    here's what google thinks about such classic lie detectors.

    My guess is that in 20 years this chip will turn out to be a hoax tool that had people scentenced for nothing. I say drop it.

  21. Hell Yeah! by mschoolbus · · Score: 1

    ...makes a brief mention the composition of pictures on a computer based on signlas receieved from the brain.

    No more sneaking away to watch my pr0n! =P

  22. We are one step closer.. by leerpm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    to The Matrix :)

    Seriously though , as science gets better and better at capturing our thoughts and dreams the applications for such technology are limitless. Imagine playing a video game that could adapt to your thoughts.
    "Grand Theft Auto 10: Drive any type of car you can think of."

    1. Re:We are one step closer.. by leonardluen · · Score: 0

      so then does "grand theft auto 10" still have hookers?

    2. Re:We are one step closer.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously though , as science gets better and better
      at capturing our thoughts and dreams the
      applications for such technology are limitless.

      I agree wholeheartedly, although the illuminating examples
      of how "limitless" the applications are seems to be limited
      to alternative ways of controlling Quake. Of course there
      may be some other trifling applications, eg. research into
      brain related disorders (Alzeimer's, amnesia, Parkinson's
      disease) or alternative interfaces for the disabled
      (quadriplegics etc.).

      Are there any other non-gaming related applications that
      folk's can think of?

    3. Re:We are one step closer.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Grand Theft Auto 10: Bitchslap that ho any way you can think of."

  23. uhm, sorry :) by Scarblac · · Score: 1

    In Cyberspace Russia, all those hackers will try to port Linux to YOU!

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    1. Re:uhm, sorry :) by stever1975 · · Score: 0

      or even scarier the hackers could try to port you to linux.

  24. Wasn't that Keanu? by Rewtie · · Score: 1

    Oh, wait. No, that was a shaved psychotic geek freak who floated in a comatose state in a vat above ground. My bad.

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  25. Two questions... by Jack+William+Bell · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Suppose you could get a chip inplanted in your brain that would allow you to control a computer with thought. Two questions:
    1. Would you be willing to be a beta tester?
    2. Would the answer to question One depend on the operating system in ran?
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    1. Re:Two questions... by SpaceJunkie · · Score: 1

      My answers in short:
      2 - Damn straight..
      I would want to know exactly what the capabilities of any software I would run on my local neural nanomics would be. To be honest I see open source as the only thing I could trust for this. Would you want to give ayone a back door into your brain?
      Commercial software vendors would have to take a great deal more responsibility for their content and legal issues and licensing than they are now - all the while being more open and ready for questioning.
      Also the software would have to be thouroughly testing in a sandbox/testing environment before it could go near my brain... And safeguards would be needed in such a way that if the OS crashes - then although it may leave me temporarily without my extra services - I would still be able to use my brain normally - and issue commands to reboot and diagnose the system.
      I would also only trust robotic surgeons for such an implant - yet again thoroughly tested. I trust human surgeons little enough as it is.
      Were all these conditions met- then yes I would beta test software. The hardware would need to be solid though..

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    2. Re:Two questions... by Hellkitten · · Score: 1

      1. Would you be willing to be a beta tester?

      That would depend on what it could do. And it would depend on how many people died/went insane during tests before the beta

      2. Would the answer to question One depend on the operating system in ran?

      Yes. It would have to be open source if I should trust it. It may be developed as a cathedral instead of a bazaar but I would not trust it if I couldn't inspect it myself. If you hide it you have a reason to, and in this case that wouldn't be profit since the money could be made from the hardware

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    3. Re:Two questions... by Thurog · · Score: 1

      Yep and Yep.

      I'd be first in line to get me a direct neural interface to my Debian box, but I sure as hell won't test how literally the term BSOD has to be taken in this case.

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    4. Re:Two questions... by shadowpuppy · · Score: 1

      1. possibly
      2. oh yeah! I'd be really paranoid about this bit. It would have to be opend source so continuous and wide spread code review was possible. I'd also be happier if cirtical parts if not all of it were proven correct.

    5. Re:Two questions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not even Alan Alda

    6. Re:Two questions... by wantedman · · Score: 1

      1. Yep

      2. Yes, I would hate to have to remember

      mv -arm rm -zipper - button -pts -underware /halt
      aim -verbose /toilet

      whenever I need to urinate, urgent times require easy to use gui's...

      and I'll have to wait until the latest driver inorder to shake...Althought it will be better and more stable than MSshake...

  26. How is this different from the work of others? by 91degrees · · Score: 1

    I believe Kevin Reading at the University of Warwick started with a similar chip. While this was perceived by many to be a publicity stunt, others pointed out that it could be the first step towards improved quality prosthetics.

    My understanding is that this chip has recently been upgraded, such that he bcan not only turn on the light in his study, but can also use this to control his TV. The main purpose though is to allow him to send neural messages.

    Of course, I personally am critical of this device. Parts of it are trivial, and it's a debasement of science, but the ability to fire lasers out of his eyes sounds downrightr dangerous, even if these are only low power beams. They could still be used to blind someone.

  27. Ethernet to the back of the head. by Compaqed · · Score: 1

    I don't care about a working computer in my brain. I just want working Ethernet out of my head and just upgrade the machinery outside of my head.

    "Imaging thinking about reading Slashdot"

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  28. Now... by Vampyre_Dark · · Score: 0

    Now you won't even need 1 free hand...

  29. And how is this cyberpunk? by Lethyos · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I didn't know that subjecting yourself to mental control and monitoring was cyberpunk. Geez, I guess it's time for us to wake up and stop being so anarchist!

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  30. Implantable PDA's coming soon? by rrkap · · Score: 1

    I just hope when I get a PDA implanted in my brain that it isn't running windows.

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  31. I LOVE a challenge! by titzandkunt · · Score: 0


    "I can't help but wonder how far we are from literally being able to record dreams and thoughts

    Ok, I'm on it. You document the protocols: I'll record the dreams. Deal?

    T&K.

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  32. "Brain fingerprinting" by The+Creator · · Score: 1

    Is that where you take the brain out, dipp it in ink and then roll it across a piece of paper?

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    FRA: STFU GTFO
  33. You are now entering the justice zone.... by Atrahasis · · Score: 1

    ...surely anyone who watched Red Dwarf can see the inherent failings of a quantitiative method of detecting guilt.

  34. Success was scaring the guy into confessing by asmithmd1 · · Score: 1

    Like almost all lie detector success stories the subject thinks the lie detector is working and is tricked into confessing. Show me real double blind experimentation that shows this thing works, otherwise this is just a high-tech diving rod.
    Track my cell phone in real time!

    1. Re:Success was scaring the guy into confessing by BJH · · Score: 1

      Diving rod? I think you mean divining rod.

  35. I'm not sure about recording dreams and images by nfk · · Score: 1

    If I understood the article, it doesn't mention composition of images, as in creating an actual picture on the computer, but rather visualizing the electric impulses as colored images on the computer. In that case, translation between signals and the actual data would still be out of reach until more is known about how the brain functions. About the crime detection through brain activity spikes, I would like to know how sure they are of the correspondence between those spikes and knowledge of something, and how likely it is to score false positives, of people who haven't committed the crime but react to the evidence, for instance because the objects may mean something to them, unrelated to the crime.

  36. A constant slapping by Marco_polo · · Score: 2, Funny

    If I had a chip in my brain that allowed people to see what I'm thinking, there should be a law stating women aren't allowed within 20 feet of the monitoring equipment.

    *SLAP*
    YOU PIG!!!
    *SLAP*
    .

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    I am the lord of the pun. Dance Knave!
  37. Not so easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I dont think that the way neo is learning at the beginning of the matrix could be realized easily.
    One of the main problems here might be that pure information is useless for your brain. In order to learn, you have to combine facts with feelings (or other things you know that are already connected with emotions).

    But say, if the chip could connect the act of remembering the provided information with positive feelings...

  38. Thermometer? by Root+Down · · Score: 1

    On a similar note there are stories about a temperature-sensing implantable microchip...

    Yeah, I saw one at Rite Aid just the other day. It's called a digital thermometer and you implant it for 30 seconds - lo and behold it tells you your body temperature. Why would physically (ie: surgically) implanting a device be of any greater benefit?

    1. Re:Thermometer? by decepetion · · Score: 1

      If it had an external display, it would ruin foreplay:

      Guy: Am i making you hot baby?

      Girl: *pointing to forehead* Can't you read?

    2. Re:Thermometer? by Bvardi · · Score: 1

      Hmm... two applications I can think of off the top of my head would be for deep sea divers (monitor core temperature while diving to prevent hypothermia onset), possibly medical uses to monitor patients on a semi-permanent basis as well. (Problem with current choices is they mean you either have to stick something in an uncomfortable spot or measure surface temperature... which doesn't tell you what the core body temp is)

  39. PPOR? by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Great! So when will we finally have PPOR's?

  40. Petty? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't recall the article saying anything about 'petty' or 'nonpetty' crimes...it just says crime.

  41. The Terminal Man by JThaddeus · · Score: 1

    Time to dust off my copy of Michael Crichton's "The Terminal Man". Or maybe score a copy of the 1974 movie with George Segal.

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    "Love is a familiar; Love is a devil: there is no evil angel but Love." --William Shakespeare ('Love's Labors Lost')
  42. Master of Orion by dolo666 · · Score: 1

    I've got plenty of credits and now with these neuro-interfaces I can start building pleasure domes. Thanks!

  43. No one understands the brain by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 3, Informative

    can't help but wonder how far we are from literally being able to record dreams and thoughts?

    If you read material on brain research, you'll quickly come to the realize that we have no idea at all how the brain works. The theories are widely varying and contradictory. The chip in this story is a hack, like shocking a dead frog and watching its muscles twitch. You can do it without any kind of clue, but going from there to a full understanding of things is a gargantuan leap.

  44. Expensive, but... by barryfandango · · Score: 4, Funny

    The prohibitive cost of a sub-cranial interface could always be reconciled by having banner popups in your field of vision.

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    In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane. -Oscar Wilde
  45. Re:GET SOME PRIORITIES by LucidityZero · · Score: 2, Funny
    Quoth:
    The worst spacial incident in recorded history occurred only a few weeks ago and you people are talking about neuro-chips?!?! My GOD, people, GET SOME BLOODY PRIORITIES!


    We DO have priorities. Implantable neurochips are WAAAAAAY cooler than space ships. :D
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    Sig.i>
  46. olde news.. by grub · · Score: 0


    I already have a chip in my head.. one night I was walking home.. and a.. bright light, yeah a bright light was cast on me.. a huge shape then hovered over me.. it must have been 50.. no 100.. maybe 400 meters.. well at least 800 meters across.. it didn't make any noise...

    errr..

    ahem... sorry, my tinfoil had was slightly skewed. All better.

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    Trolling is a art,
  47. Dream recording huh? by DirkDaring · · Score: 1, Funny

    Does this mean videos would leak on the net like the Pam & Tommy Lee video? Just what do they dream about? What does Britney Spears dream about? Or Ozzy Ozbourne? On second thought... I don't want to know.

  48. Decisive by ralico · · Score: 2, Informative

    To Quote a section of the Yahoo article:
    From a scientific perspective, we can definitively say that brain fingerprinting could have substantial benefits in identifying terrorists or in exonerating people accused of being terrorists," Farwell said"

    Sounds like a definite maybe?

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    SCO to Hell
  49. yay by koan · · Score: 1

    I can see a whole new era of virii and *hacking* people over clocking their brains ETC.
    Hmmm...maybe a virus that causes you to speak what ever the author has programmed.

    --
    "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
  50. Rules after having brain-chip implanted..... by Dragon213 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Rule 1: Never give your brain-node's IP to Slashdot!!!
    Rule 2: See Rule 1

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    --CypherDragon
    1. Re:Rules after having brain-chip implanted..... by Herkum01 · · Score: 1

      Never give your brain-node's IP to Slashdot!!!



      The real-life equivalent, never work for a corporation.



      The requests for meeting attendance, corporate emails, congratulating Julie for her baby or bob for bowling 100, followed by warnings of impending doom for the company if the CEO cannot get internet access to reach E-Bay, make a potential slashdotting look like a smoking break in comparision.


    2. Re:Rules after having brain-chip implanted..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is your brain. This is your brain on slashdot. Any questions? :)

  51. heh :) by papasui · · Score: 1

    Guess this really gives new meaing to the Billy G. Borg Icon.

  52. A question by Bendebecker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What if a kid is thinking about porn and soem computer neuro-chip creates a picture of what he's thinking about? Would it be a crime for him to look at the pictures he himself created? Would the police try to use these chips to monitor your activities? Would an employer get sued for sexual harassement for picturing his secretary nude?
    This reminds a lot of 'Forbidden Planet' were an entire race of beings is wiped out by their own subconcious thoughts. Some things in the mind should stay in the mind.

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    There's a growing sense that even if The Future comes,
    most of us won't be able to afford it.
    -- Lemmy
  53. Missing the point by Jabber3776 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Really let's think about it. If we can record our dreams and thoughts, especially for those of us that do our best writing in our head and can never seem to get it on paper, it could be a useful tool. What about those that are deaf and blind? A way that would have the ability to reconnect the broken links. The possiblities are endless. It's not about creating super human machines; or making big brother. It's taking science and and medicine a step further. A way to help build new and better interpersonal commuinications for those that have trouble with this.

    1. Re:Missing the point by koan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dreams require interpetation, even if you could record them you would need a machine or software that could interpet it, if you could do that then AI would be possible at that point.
      Other than that you're stuck with on/off and basic items liek that.
      I'm no expert but I play one on /.

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      "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
  54. Can you say microsofts by Monofilament · · Score: 1

    NO i don't mean the Mega Corporation headed by Billy Gates... I mean the implantable chips William Gibson wrote about in the Neuromancer. I liked how he made them almost more fashion than functional.. and many times both.

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    Who makes you Sig?
  55. One step at a time... by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 3, Funny

    The problem here is that most of humanity still needs to have a BRAIN implanted before they can start thinking about brain enhancing chips.

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    --- Ban humanity.
  56. Who?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's Kevin *Warwick* of the University of *Reading* &^)

    Check out his page here

    1. Re:Who?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, it's Reading Warwick of the University of Kevin.

  57. I am a criminal ... by Col.+Panic · · Score: 1
  58. George by UncleAwesome · · Score: 2, Funny

    Its not a lie if you believe the lie.

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    Blah Blah Tacos
  59. Sure, laugh now guys, while you can. by Xilinx_guy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It's easy enough to poke fun at the crude brain implant IC's developed so far... It will be a whole lot less funny when the state of the art advances to the point where they start to become actually useable. Right now, high tech corporations boost the effective IQ of their employees by buying them the best computers and software available. We all benefit from this and enjoy the perks of having a nice fast machine and the latest software. What do you think will happen if implant IC's can be shown to boost effective IQ by 30 or 40 points? Or rather, if it boosts design productivity by 50% or more? They guys who have implants will be in tremendous demand, while those who lack them will be consigned to writing technical documents, or customer support. It could get downright nasty, trying to compete with guys who can literally outthink you by a wide margin by virtue of their hardware link. It's bad enough that we are starting to see tech jobs moving to India and other 3rd world sweatshops, but brain implants will bring the digital divide to a whole new level. All this carping aside, I sincerely want an implant. Voice recognition sucks, and fingers and mouse are rarely fast enough to do everything I'd like. Once they've been shown to be medically safe, I'll probably take the plunge. Maybe in 10 years, but I hope in 5.

    And to answer the unspoken question: Can FPGA's be used in your brain? I say this: Get Real. Current FPGA technology has no possible application. Maybe in 5 or 10 years, when we have conquered the leakage problem, and have developed fuel cells that run on glucose. But I don't see it, since an ASIC dedicated to brain interface functions will be a far superior solution. FPGA's may evolve into a future computing fabric, so they may have useful applications in external hardware, but it will be a very distant descendent of FPGA's that are finally used for in-body implants.

  60. Hacking Own Brain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thats all great, but when can start using my lazy ex navy dolphin to get this leaky 80 gigs of Farmacom data out of my head?

  61. Re:GET SOME PRIORITIES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yu are all very stupid to want human created electronics right next to your brain.....

    Seriously..at least get your upgrades from the original manufacturer.....

  62. I can see some scary things happening... by Bvardi · · Score: 2, Funny

    Knowing this crowd, if you actually had implantable computer chips it wouldn't be long before you would see the following: 1. Somebody running linux and a webserver from their brain. "Pass me the tylenol, my heads' been slashdotted!" 2. DRM the hard way... your vision blanks out whenever you see material you haven't purchased. 3. A beowulf cluster of human brains... of course if you did this in your average marketing department you still wouldn't end up with much....

  63. Mandate brain implants to close the analog hole by Anonym0us+Cow+Herd · · Score: 2, Funny

    At a press conference today, the RIAA announced that it is happy to hear about the development of this technology. The RIAA plans to contribute funding to the development of brain implants that can recognize whenever you hear, see, or even think about any copyrighted material. "In order to fund this project through to completion", said Hillary Rosen, "we will need to raise the prices of CD's. But not to worry. This price increase is only temporary."

    The MPAA did not return our calls prior to press time, but it is widely anticipated that the MPAA will also be creaming their jeans over this news.

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    The price of freedom is eternal litigation.
  64. Obligatory Douglas Adams reference by Country_hacker · · Score: 1

    But then where would we store the penguins???

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    Never give any object more potential energy than you want it to have.
  65. more than THOUGHT by fopa · · Score: 1

    What will make this take off is a thought-processor

    I was thinking just the opposite, what would really do it for me is storage. I want a chip to monitor and record all my memories and allow me to access them. I'll keep my brain for doing all the thinking.

    Think how amazing it would be to have perfect photographic memory. You could learn all languages and be the world's expert in all academic subjects. It wouldn't automatically make you more creative, but you would be great in science because you'd be so good at pattern recognition.

    Of course storage cpacity of the human brain is a long, long way off. Just think of all the multimedia we recieve and record in real time every minute of our lives. And all that gets stuffed into our little skulls for storage. Sure we forget a lot, but the amount we retain is blows awy current computer storage capacity.

    Yeah, maybe someday processors will be able to SIMULATE human though, but I think the real goal should be a human brain with compuer storage.

    1. Re:more than THOUGHT by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      I want a chip to monitor and record all my memories and allow me to access them.

      And then have those memories read out in court.

      "Defendant! Did you or did you not exceed the speed limit on July 1 last year?"
      "No!"

      "hmmm...your SuperSmartMedia chip says you did. Bailiff...take him away!"

    2. Re:more than THOUGHT by anagama · · Score: 1

      Think how amazing it would be to have perfect photographic memory. You could learn all languages and be the world's expert in all academic subjects.

      I'm not sure. This would be like having access to a great reference library but it wouldn't amount to understanding. For example, you might be able to store a text on speaking Spanish, but to use the information it contains, you would have to understand it first. In order to get the Spanish grammar info into your thinking brain, you are going to have to read it, study it, and learn it.

      In order to have fast understanding/learning/etc., there would have to be some black box which changes the stored information, into "understanding", and then feeds that to your brain. Otherwise, it's nothing more than a fancy encyclodedia.

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      What changed under Obama? Nothing Good
    3. Re:more than THOUGHT by UpnAtom · · Score: 1

      As I understand it, the brain is far better at pattern recognition than any computer.
      Dave.

  66. GITS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Four Words , Ghost in the Shell

  67. Dumbest thing I have ever Heard by diablobynight · · Score: 1

    What if they show you pictures of a crime scene and you had seen something very simmilar, years earlier? Would your brain not spike instant recognition, like when you see someone you swear you know and it turns out not to be them. And how can they tell the difference between a spike of recognition and a spike of fear or repulsion, I would be rather repulsed if someone described a murder to me, accompanied with pictures.

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    Anonymous Cowards - Oh God, How I hate you
    1. Re:Dumbest thing I have ever Heard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I don't particularly believe the guy in the article has solved these problems, I do think it may be possible to detect the arousal pattern of recognition in the brain. It would simply take a lot of work, and a lot of EEG recordings of the patterns of firing in a person's brain as they go through recognition. When you're dealing with conscious awareness of things there are a few things you can say about patterns of arousal that are pretty consistent in people.

      Not all of the crime-scene stimuli need inspire revulsion; many could be neutral to a new observer. What you're looking for is the electrical pattern that corresponds to that very characteristic feeling you get when you first recognise something. This has to happen before you can be revulsed, or decide to lie, or any other response. So (for instance) one might look for rapid processing that starts in the visual cortex and passes forward through well-established pathways. Now it's true that currently an EEG can barely establish something like that (though an MRI certainly can), but with finer realtime signal analysis and a large library of subject reactions to compare against I believe it's possible for a computer to do this. Yes, it's a statistical determination, but so is fingerprinting (which is largely untested scientifically despite our reliance on it) and DNA analysis. You can't say "X did Y", but you can say "99.9% of people would only respond in this characteristic way if they had prior knowledge".

      So I wouldn't discount it, but I wouldn't go investing in this guy's company today either.

      Disclaimer - I have a B.S. Psychology and a continuing interest in this sort of stuff. But I don't do brain science in a lab.

  68. Re:GET SOME PRIORITIES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    -1 (Religious babble)

  69. Just a thought... by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1
    Some have commented that the inner workings of the brain are still an unknown. But I wonder if this might not be a good thing.

    There's some thought out there that our basic sentience may have its source all the way down to theoretical quantum effects in the structures of the brain. The tiny effects are then amplified into macroscopic results via chaos theory (butterfiles affecting the weather and all that). The macroscopic results are, of course, all the annoying, pig ignorant and stupid things people do every day.

    This is sheer theory, but it is discussed in many places. There's a decent book on it: The Quantum Brain by Jeffrey Satinover. A controversial subject, but interesting. Not sure I buy it but I remain open minded.

    Regardless of the source, these learning and adaptive processes inside our little brains are dense and difficult to fathom, but we might not have to *completely* understand them. If these chips can provide an interface that is at least in the general ballpark of what the brain wants to deal with, the adaptability of of our brains may rise to the occasion and optimize the link for us.

    There may not be such a thing as a standard chip interface. Each one may have to be tuned and programmed for the individual user. People with highly adaptive brains may get a discount because the chip vendor doesn't have to do as much work. ;-)

    If we can make this work, we can all be like John Doe over on Fox and have mountains of knowledge at our mental fingertips. Maybe that's a good thing.

    Of course, the information is only as good as it is. [CLICHE]Garbage in produces garbage out.[/CLICHE] You could raise a group of people in isolation and download a complete alternate history to their infomation chips.

    Then again many people today believe alternate versions of history through which they have actually *lived*, so we don't need chips to create legions of deluded ideologues. ;-) We seem to have that ability built into us. Maybe it's just quantum weirdness...

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    --- Ban humanity.
  70. Not too bright a scientist? by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Brain fingerprinting works by measuring and analyzing split-second spikes in electrical activity in the brain when it responds to something it recognizes. ...if a suspected murderer was shown a detail of the crime scene that only he would know, his brain would involuntarily register that knowledge. ... A person who had never seen that crime scene would show no reaction.

    So the detail is blood in a clawfoot tub. Maybe you have a clawfoot tub? Maybe you watched a dozen different movies with blood/tub scenes. Maybe you have the same exact Teledyne Waterpic that the murder victim has hanging in his shower. You could recognize anything for any number of reasons. Not only that, but your memory changes over time. After 23 years that guy could have been imagining innocence scenarios for so long it looked to the scanner like he was innocent.

    Sorry, I don't buy it at all.

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    Operator, give me the number for 911!
  71. Phht by LastToKnow · · Score: 1

    and a scientist who claims he can tell whether you've committed a crime.

    Hah. I can tell if you've comitted a crime.

    You have.

  72. No, I'm not nodding off.. by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...I had to reboot my brain.

  73. Monkeybrain Joysticks at Brown University by joelparker · · Score: 2, Informative
    Great chip. The next step is to figure out what to actually do with these new I/0 capabilities.

    My former undergrad prof, Dr. John Donoghue at Brown University, is at the cutting edge of research into neural implantable interfaces.

    Monkeys Demonstrate Thought-Controlled Computing

    Monkeybrain Joysticks Excerpts:

    A rhesus macaque monkey at a Brown University laboratory can move a cursor on a computer screen just by thinking about it - playing a pinball game in which every time a red target dot pops up, the monkey moves a cursor to meet the target quickly and accurately. The monkey plays the game mentally, controlling where it wants the cursor to go by thinking.

    The primary research Nature article is Connecting cortex to machines: recent advances in brain interfaces

    Cheers,
    Joel

  74. Way to overhype a strory... by Mac+Degger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Go /.! Now you don't even bother to have the submitter read the article!

    The Infineon chip doesn't connect to the brain. You put tiny slices of brain matter (neurons) in the chip (in a suspension inside the chip) and can then run current through those slices. No direct brain connection at all. And of course, those signals through the neurons on the chip can be recorded and put on screen...but no "recording of signals from the brain"...dunno where he even got that from. Must be on crack.

    Still, it's a cool development; as the article says, we can now do better research over a longer period of time, for a better picture of how neurons work.

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    -- Waht? Tehr's a preveiw buottn?
  75. Re:Sure, laugh now guys, while you can. by macshune · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, here's one link to a glucose-powered fuel cell. Enjoy!

  76. Like the squid god or crud puppy? by maddogsparky · · Score: 1

    Or chips in two people's brains (one monitoring input and one controlling output) so that one of the people is basically experiencing and controlling the other body. I could see a lot of market for THAT for government, celebrities, and big business...want to go somewhere but you don't want to have to be followed by bodygards? Use a puppet body so no matter what happens to the body, you're still safe at home.


    Remote control of another person's body just seems...creepy. It would be a whole new way of "selling your body" that is probably worse than the current method (i.e. prostitution).

    On the other hand, it would be the holy grail of women seeking a way to make men understand what childbirth is really like. ;)

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    science is a religion
  77. Re:GET SOME PRIORITIES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't know that - the OP might mean "get your upgrades from Nature, and the evolutionary process". Less likely admittedly, but actually a good point. ;)

  78. Please... by Quadriceps · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Everyone is letting their imagination run away with them. Not that that's a bad thing (that's the premise of great sci-fi) but there's nothing in the articles to suggest we'll have microchips implanted to record thoughts or USB ports on our skulls any time soon. As an MD I know a little something about neuroscience as well as implantable devices, and can assure you those scenarios are least a hundred years off, and probably a lot more. We have barely scratched the surface of how memory and thought are encoded, much less capturing that data.

    Both of the articles discuss observing only electrical activity. While useful, it is analogous to an EKG, just a graph of currents that can tell us the heart rate yet gives us little functional info beyond that. It can't tell you what the blood pressure is, or what the quality or quantity of the blood components is. The devices described are only a little more invasive than a device already in use to diagnose certain brain abnormalities: the electroencephalograph (EEG). It may diagnose epilepsy and sometimes causes of dementia, can suggest the occasional tumor and can tell us a person is brain dead. That's about it. It certainly doesn't tell the world what you're thinking, your sexual preference, or your illicit file-sharing habits.

    The article on brain fingerprinting makes clear (at least to me) that the machine is of the same concept as a lie-detector test, though perhaps more advanced and reliable. IMHO, the test is not self-incriminating any more than that damning fingerprint you accidentally left at the crime scene.

  79. stil far away from a breakthrough by neowintermute · · Score: 1

    About the neuro-chip...

    This is definitely an advancement in imaging, but as far as making something useful out of the "pictures" that it produces, we're still a long way off.

    Henry Abarbanel at UCSD has been doing research on lobster ganglions and crayfish tails and has found that most of the signaling between the brain and the body that actually contains information and feedback is nonlinear and dynamic. So, to look at what areas of the brain are doing what will involve figuring out how that nonlinear, dynamic, chaotic signaling is happening, and then figuring out how the brain interprets it.

    So, if you're thinking that we're not far off from seeing people's dreams, think about this: this chip just lets you see what neurons are active. That's the equivalent of watching having a movie of the transistors in a CPU, and trying to figure out the linux process scheduling algorithm. But its more complex than that, because linux is not nonlinear chaotic data. (well, not usually)

  80. ummm...this was done about 7 years ago by daBuddha · · Score: 1

    http://www.biochem.mpg.de/mnphys/publications/publ ications-e.html

    http://www.biochem.mpg.de/mnphys/

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  81. refusing to cooperate by dten · · Score: 1
    Quote from the article:

    However, just like lie detector tests, the technique requires the cooperation of the subject. A suspect could simply refuse to cooperate by closing his eyes and refusing to watch the prompts flashed on the screen before him.

    Can you say "A Clockwork Orange"?
  82. MS Beta Tester by redmobius88 · · Score: 1
    If MS Xp "Crainal Edition" was the operating system, I wouldn't be the beta tester.

    I can see it now, the legions of MS controled consumers chanting and worshipping Gates.

    Man 1: I installed the newest service pack, and I can't use my left hand.

    Man 2: Yep, its obsolete. You have to upgrade your hand to MS "Hand"

  83. A nation of criminals... by MamasGun · · Score: 1

    Wow...one of the few Rand quotes I can back 100%. Actually Frank Zappa illustrated this predicament in a much more entertaining way in his rock opera Joe's Garage. Universal criminality. The Central Scrutinizer. Illegal Rock N' Roll. Appliantology. Plooking. It's a hoot.

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    "But you've already got a DVD. It lasts forever....In the digital world, we don't need back-ups..."
    -- Jack Valenti
  84. It exists already :) by umofomia · · Score: 1

    Orgasm at the touch of a button... too bad they don't say anything about whether it works for men too.

  85. Obsolescence by Bowling+Moses · · Score: 1

    So what do you do when serial/parallel/PS2/USB ports get obsolete? Do you continue to have them and add another port to the back of your head? Will your head eventually look like the back of my 'puter? Would it be cool or lame to have all those ports? Yeah man check out this cool retro AT keyboard connector I got implanted into my forehead last week. I type and words come out my mouth!

  86. Brain Waves to surf by applejacks · · Score: 1

    It's more likely that interpreting the
    signals externally would be a better solution.
    Nothing medical science does is ever better than
    what is natural. I know this, I've seen this,
    and so have you.

    Watch them rebuild a person's jaw. Jagged
    piece of boen are shimmed in. Eventually,
    it will look normal but underneath it really isn't. So you go to get wetwired with a
    nifty piece of molded sand. The port is
    wide open on the back of your head. You decide
    to visit the ocean and take a swim. Careful,
    that salt water may have some crazy effects
    on your new 486 dx brain chip controler port.

    I'll wait on a solution from Motorola or IBM.
    Screw having 'Intel inside'(tm) stamped
    on my head. I bet you get the complimentary
    barcode on the back. Wait they have
    microwave transmitters now right? Gilette
    purchased a bunch and Matel or somebody.

    l8r

  87. Reason to be worried by Danta · · Score: 1

    No, not yet. Nevertheless I am still skeptical in regards to the real purpose behind this research. We should not forget what the Max Planck Institute has earlier stood for:

    "Ironically, the three Kaiser-Wilhelm institutes that were beneficiaries of Rockefeller largesse were to eventually play important roles in the development, implementation and exploitation of the racial programs of the Third Reich including murderous experiments and the exploitation of the dead. Kaiser-Wilhelm scientists joined with the Nazi state in pursuit of the goal of improving the people's health (Volksgesundheit), the major emphasis being on eugenic and racial purification. The resulting collaboration between science and the Nazi state not only legitimized the policies and programs of the Hitler regime it resulted in the exploitation and mutilation and murder of untold thousands of innocent victims by physicians and scientists associated with some of the world's leading universities and research institutes. The participation of scientists associated with the Kaiser-Wilhelm Society enhanced the credibility of the Nazi state's program of scientific terror and murder."

  88. Wowsers! by LoneWlf · · Score: 1, Interesting

    All I can say to this is 'Wow' I mean not only exciting but scary, and way cool. I've always wanted to run my computer by thought waves, it would be much faster, I mean, we've finally gotten to the point that my WPM isn't faster than the computer, and now it doesn't even keep up with it, at least if it were thought-fast, I'd have a chance...

    -LW

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  89. New Scientist on such chips by WatertonMan · · Score: 1
    New Scientist has a fascinating article on neural chips this week. Unfortunately it isn't available to non-subscribers or I'd post the link. (It is one of the main articles and not a news story)

    It was going through the problem of how your immune system attacks most neural implants and methods for getting around this. You end up with "fuzzy" implants that don't look anything like science fiction stories typically portray them. They are still having problems with electrical signals because of the fuzziness. Still it was a very interesting article and suggested that these things will work different than we may have expected.

  90. And when they get their "signlas" crossed? by plnrtrvlr · · Score: 1

    I'm just curious about that... It's bad enough that we gat our "signlas" crossed all on our own, what's gonna happen when we're all running a chip with some Microsoft product?

  91. Windows for your brain. by eniu!uine · · Score: 1

    Blue screens of death are truly blue screens of DEATH. If you forget one thing, you forget everything. Bloat takes over all that unused brain matter.
    If you replace body parts more than five times you have to buy another brain unless you pirate a corporate brain. Microsoft owns your soul and that may change at any time at their option.

  92. UK: How to keep your right to silence. What to say by SomethingOrOther · · Score: 1

    Keep this script in your head for when stoped by the police in the UK.

    Police: I am arresting you for XYZ. You do not have to say anything but it may harm your defence if you do not mention now, anything you later rely on in court. Anything you do say will be given in evidence

    You: Exactly what have I been stopped for and how serious is this?

    Police: You are being arrested for XYZ, you will be taken to the station and XXXX, you could face YYYY, you are in deep shit sunshine. (they will try to make you nervous)

    [Police will then start asking questions]

    You: Based on what you have just told me and how serious this is, I belive I shouldn't say anything untill I have spoken to a lawyer

    By saying this (getting the copper to say you are in trouble and its serious) and then saying you are sufficiently worried to need legal representation, the police/courts will have a VERY difficult task in being able in infer anything from your silence.
    It'll give you a bit of time to see a lawyer and think up excuses!

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  93. more in the same vein... by Grahf666 · · Score: 1

    serial experiments lain is another amazing anime that deals with very similar issues. the series' creators ask us to imagine what reality would be like if the real world and the "wired" world became connected, with no hardware interface required. Mind blowing to say the least.

  94. This is completely unrelated by olethrosdc · · Score: 1

    The Neurochip does not have anything to do with the article about sensing criminals.

    Let us see... first of all the neurochip is based on technology developed in caltech 5-10 years ago. What does it do? It allows single (or a small number of) neurons to connect to the chip, so that their signals can be accurately measured. Now, everyone, remember how many neurons there are in the brain. Alright? Measuring a bunch of neurons does not help a lot really. It does not have anything to do with 'reading your mind'. Especially when the part of the mind that is being 'read' is only one part in a billion. So, why is the neurochip important? Because it allows to measure and send signals to neurons without using electrodes. In fact, instead of putting an electrode in the brain, you take a slice of the brain and put it in the chip. They used SLUG BRAINS, for gods sake. This is not an implantable chip! It is the reverse! It is about studying neurons in an isolated environment.

    The temperature-reading implantable chip is basically just a digital thermometer with a radio! It is a device for animals! It is an implantable device, but does not have anything to do with the brain.

    The guy that did the criminal analysis research used a very well known mechanism whereby there is a particular spike in activity whenever someone sees something that he recognizes. Again, this has nothing to do with implantable devices and especially nothing to do with temperature. It is a short-time-scale electric potential.

    This story really really sucks. It presents three completely unrelated links that it somehow glues together. Get a grip!

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