Blizzard Births BBS

why in my day... by faeryman · 2003-02-21 19:24 · Score: 4, Funny

Why, in my day, when it was a blizzard we didn't have no fancy BBS. We had to walk 15 miles (uphill bothways, of course) to the nearest house to trade our warez. All we could afford was one piece of paper though, and we had to write the zeros and ones on it. Bah, kids. Zzzzzzz....

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Re:why in my day... by antiprime · 2003-02-21 19:30 · Score: 2, Funny

ob You had zeros? We had to use the letter 'o'.
Re:why in my day... by Anonymous Coward · 2003-02-21 19:34 · Score: 1, Interesting

You may be joking, but I can really remember walking miles through blizzards to trade Apple ][ software in the early eighties. We did have floppy disks by then, though, and being as we didn't live on a Klein bottle it was only uphill one way.
Re:why in my day... by Jason1729 · 2003-02-21 19:39 · Score: 2, Funny

We were so l337 that we used *both* sides out our piece of paper.
Re:why in my day... by UniverseIsADoughnut · 2003-02-21 19:51 · Score: 4, Funny

>>You had zeros? We had to use the letter 'o'.

yeah but 'o' is smaller then '0' so you had more compact code.

anyone ever think printing out something like windows or FreeBSD in 1's and 0's on 3 foot wide paper and making wallpaper of it would be neat.
Re:why in my day... by ubugly2 · 2003-02-21 19:53 · Score: 1

did you punch holes in it?
Re:why in my day... by Troll_Kamikaze · 2003-02-21 19:59 · Score: 4, Funny

All we could afford was one piece of paper though, and we had to write the zeros and ones on it. Bah, kids. Zzzzzzz....

Sheit, kid. When I was growin up we didn't have no paper... had to smear the ones and zeroes on birch bark with the bloody stumps of our fingers.
Re:why in my day... by Anonymous Coward · 2003-02-21 20:04 · Score: 2, Funny

I remember hearing that the single-sided paper wasn't safe to use on both sides, even if you punched a hole. It must have been true...why would the paper manufacturers lie?
Re:why in my day... by Jason1729 · 2003-02-21 20:05 · Score: 4, Funny

We had to punch one hole in it to double-side it.
Re:why in my day... by Anonymous Coward · 2003-02-21 20:19 · Score: 1, Funny

Yeah, whatever. I remember hearing that about condoms too. Both the hole-punching and the turning inside-out to use both sides. Someone's always trying to double their sales!
Re:why in my day... by Anonvmous+Coward · 2003-02-21 21:57 · Score: 4, Funny

I'm confused by this article. Do we like or hate Blizzard this round?
Re:why in my day... by ExEleven · 2003-02-22 03:17 · Score: 1

Jebus, a wall paper, with all the stuff in either you could cover a lot more then that. How about a compiled Linux 0.01 kernel binary, in binary, for a wallpaper, or maybe somthing a bit newer (1.0?) Its not a bad idea either way, im sure someone from think geek will see it.
Re:why in my day... by Lumpy · 2003-02-22 04:21 · Score: 1

you had to punch 2 holes. 1 for the rotation sensor and one for the write protect tab location.

BTW, Verbatim disks usually didnt have the second side of the floppy media coated. so it was hit am miss while the 3m floppies were always coated.

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Re:why in my day... by rusty0101 · 2003-02-22 06:01 · Score: 1

Is the binary for Linux large enough that if the bits were mapped to an image, it would work as a background image? No real need for compression, you would just link to the actual binary, with a header to make it look like a bitmap.

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Re:why in my day... by kasperd · 2003-02-22 07:02 · Score: 1

Is the binary for Linux large enough that if the bits were mapped to an image, it would work as a background image?

I typically use kernels of size 2-3MB in uncompressed form and 0.7-1MB in compressed form. I typically use a screen resolution between 1024x768 and 1600x1200, if you use a black/white picture that is 96-234KB. So the kernel is certainly large enough to make a black/white picture for your background. If you want 24-bit truecolor image it might be difficult to fill your entire screen.

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Re:why in my day... by rusty0101 · 2003-02-22 07:12 · Score: 1

Tile, center or stretch, choices choices. Or I could use 8 bit color, or greyscale...

Next, how much would stay the same between minor and major revisions...

-Rusty

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Re:why in my day... by Phroggy · 2003-02-22 07:53 · Score: 1

We had to punch one hole in it to double-side it.

You had a puncher? Ha! Kids these days! Why, back in my day, we had to cut the write-protect holes out of our floppies with a pair of kitchen scissors!

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Re:why in my day... by Polyphemis · 2003-02-22 09:22 · Score: 1

[DanaCarvey] AND WE LIKED IT THAT WAY!! Smeedily feedily smeeeee! [/DanaCarvey]

Out of Curiosity by Adolatra · 2003-02-21 19:24 · Score: 3, Interesting

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what ultimately happened to the original CBBS referenced in this article?

Re:Out of Curiosity by yppiz · 2003-02-21 19:33 · Score: 5, Funny

Few know this, but CBBS, running on its original hardware, is the comments server for slashdot.org.
--Pat
Re:Out of Curiosity by Candlelight · 2003-02-22 03:18 · Score: 1

Not sure now, but I recall calling it in the mid 90's (for old time sake) and it was still running... using the original software. I rmember calling my first BBS in the late 70s, and the fever resulted in massive phone bills, and setting up my own BBS. An expensive hobby no dobt, but a hell of a lot of fun. Candlelight

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Re:Out of Curiosity by MsWillow · 2003-02-22 07:06 · Score: 2, Informative

I'm not sure what happened to the *original* CBBS hardware, but several years ago, Randy Suess sold me one of the old hard drives, a 10-meg one, that had been used in *a* CBBS. He also sold off a bunch of S-100 boards, and an old chassis, so I suspect the original CBBS hgardware was sold off, over the years, as parts no longer needed.

Randy's running Chinet nowadays, and last I heard, Ward had CBBS. You could always ask Randy, if you're curious.

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Re:Out of Curiosity by ka9dgx · 2003-02-22 13:32 · Score: 1

I just saw it about 3 hours ago, at the 25th anniversary party. It's not complete, (no floppy drive) but it is being watched over.
--Mike--

BBSs were great: by Globe199 · 2003-02-21 19:26 · Score: 3, Interesting

I loved owning a BBS.

Until I realized that using OS/2 on a 486 with 8 MB of RAM, and playing Doom under Windows under OS/2, all the while running WWIV in the background, was not such a good idea.

Globe199

my heroes by Army+Eye · 2003-02-21 19:27 · Score: 2, Interesting

What are these guys doing these days? Maybe they can come up with something to get the BBS scene going again. I miss it.

Re:my heroes by josh+crawley · 2003-02-21 19:33 · Score: 1

What are these guys doing these days? Maybe they can come up with something to get the BBS scene going again. I miss it.

Kinda when the thing called the "Internet" made BBS'es defunct. The long distance charges really sucked.

Who cares about BBS'es when you can set up telnet accounts for friends along with talk (or IRC).
Re:my heroes by Anonymous Coward · 2003-02-21 19:45 · Score: 5, Interesting

Think "meta" - route around the Internet.

Work with your neighbors. Build a wireless network using the common pool of equipment. You're not allowed to let other people on the Internet through your connection (check your AUP - many ISPs say something like this), but nothing says you can't let them get to things on your own network!

Start creating content that only exists on the 'wireless' side of your network. Get other people to do the same. When enough compelling content exists on the "other" net, people will find their own way to get to it.

Incidentally, this also sidesteps another problem that many people face on their home connections: "no servers". You're serving inward, not outward, so that never becomes a problem.

I ran a BBS from 1990 to 1999 and shut it down due to a lack of interest. The fundamental concept of a bulletin board where people post about stuff is still needed - stare at your monitor for awhile if you don't believe it. Bring it back at a neighborhood level and you'll find the community that's been waiting all this time.
Re:my heroes by Army+Eye · 2003-02-21 19:45 · Score: 2, Interesting

I know, it makes no sense. The Internet can do everything a BBS can do, and better. But BBSes were still cooler.
Re:my heroes by haroldK · 2003-02-21 20:46 · Score: 2, Informative

Why do I keep seeing stuff like this here? If you like BBSs, join one. I'm a member of one and I run one. Mine doesn't have that many users, and is only up for testing purposes, but the other one I'm on has 17 users and 27 rooms as well as a LORD clone (Scary Caverns). There are many others out there with many more users.

Seriously, if they're cool, use them.
Re:my heroes by Black+Rabbit · 2003-02-22 00:08 · Score: 1

Maybe those days aren't so far off! The way the Internet is getting more restrictive and more expensive, the old Fidonet may prove useful once again!
Re:my heroes by gmack · 2003-02-22 04:16 · Score: 2, Informative

ARE still cooler. Some still exist. Some friends have one running at telnet://bbs.mysticone.com
We even have registered Tradewars and LORD.

It's like... the BBS days minus the long distance charges(and multi node is suddenly much cheaper).
Re:my heroes by scott1853 · 2003-02-22 06:50 · Score: 2, Funny

And by doing everything over a telnet session you get the nostalgic feeling of using a 9600 baud modem while on your broadband connection :)
Re:my heroes by Bakaneko · 2003-02-22 10:46 · Score: 1

Any good Linux BBS servers? I notice that's running Synchronet on Windows... I've see a number of BBS packages for Windows, but blessed few for Linux...
Re:my heroes by gmack · 2003-02-22 11:21 · Score: 1

I've seen some but the problem is the complete lack of door games for linux.

Most of the BBS software hasn't been updated in the past few years so tends to be for either DOS or windows.

I actually tried it with DOSemu but had a problem with connections remaining open if the player kills the telnet sesstion without logging out.
Re:my heroes by ka9dgx · 2003-02-22 13:36 · Score: 1

I'm trying to get Ward back into assembler programming. Tales of 61k operating systems might help. ;-)
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Re:my heroes by netringer · 2003-02-22 15:20 · Score: 1

They're still working in Chicago. Ward is a systems engineer who happened to be assigned to my workplace. I walked in and found him toiling away in our computer lab.

Read more from when this story was mentioned a few days ago.

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Re:my heroes by Old+Uncle+Bill · 2003-02-22 15:33 · Score: 1

Telegard was the BOMB! And long distance charges? Obviously you never heard of Code Thief? I really, really miss those days of the BBSes. A real sense of community.

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Re:my heroes by Old+Uncle+Bill · 2003-02-22 15:36 · Score: 1

Oh yeah, almost forgot, the guys who started this board used to log into my BBS. Nostalgia will kill you, it really will... I remember when the only reliable board was running Wildcat over at the now named Careerline Tech center.

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Snow day... by vspazv · 2003-02-21 19:30 · Score: 5, Funny

I wonder if the internet would even exist if those guys had had girlfriends during that week snowed in.

Re:Snow day... by mbadolato · 2003-02-21 19:46 · Score: 1

I wonder if the internet would even exist if those guys had had girlfriends during that week snowed in.

Considering that they had nothing at all to do with the Internet, I'd say yeah it probably would...
Re:Snow day... by DarkKnightRadick · 2003-02-21 21:04 · Score: 1

They may have not had anything to do with the internet we know today, but they are indeed the fathers of the BBS, which evolved into the internet, after a fashion.

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Re:Snow day... by rusty0101 · 2003-02-22 06:26 · Score: 2, Insightful

Actually what became the Internet already existed. ARPAnet existed, and I seem to recall it celebrating it's 30th birthday in the last couple of years.

What the BBS provided, respective to the Internet, was a bunch of people who had some experience administering equipment that connected computers over the telco PSTN. Many of these people started their own ISPs or went to work for new ISPs when it became obvious that the internet was the way of the future.

Running a BBS gave you experience with user accounts, privledges, various chat and application options, modems, and in some cases even billing. In many cases it also provided you with a crash course in customer relations or even what has become known as Customer Relationship Management, as you usually were the tech support for your BBS.

If you did not back end your BBS with a network of some sort, other than fidoNet or RHYME, you probably did not have experience with routers, or file servers. The vast majority of BBSs were single systems with 1-4 modems attached. If you wanted more than four modems you would have to buy special cards that would allow 8, 16 or even 32 serial ports per card. These cards may have been expensive, but in most cases they were less expensive than the added computer, network equipment, etc to add more phone lines.

If you participated in one of the back end file and message passing services, and there was not a local hookup with another BBS, you almost always ended up paying monthly $100+ phone bills.

-Rusty

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Re:Snow day... by Forgotten · 2003-02-22 07:18 · Score: 2, Informative

No, it really didn't. It seems that way to many people because they started on BBSes, then moved to dialup shell account access and eventually SLIP and PPP access. But on the actual network side of things, there's little connection between BBSes and the Internet. Some big multiline boards became small ISPs, but that's really more like repurposing old equipment. The only real connection I can think of is between Waffle boards and other UUCP systems, and those notably weren't really ever part of the BBS scene - precisely because they were leaf nodes to the Internet instead. There were FIDONet gateways and such in the early nineties, but rather than evolving they mostly just did out as cheap, real net access came along and the sysops lost interest.

The relationship of the BBS scene to the ARPAnet/Internet is really one of parallel evolution or microcomputer imitation of what the real iron had already been doing for a decade. It didn't evolve into anything - it died out, as many parallel evolution strains do. I'm not dissing it exactly (you can probably tell I was right into BBSes) but it was the toy version, and the people involved basically outgrew it and left it behind.

Damn Blizzard!! by Nyktos · 2003-02-21 19:33 · Score: 4, Funny

First BBS's, and then Warcraft!!! What next?? Some sort of fancy persistant universe?? CRAZY!!

Slow News Day? by Quaoar · 2003-02-21 19:34 · Score: 4, Funny

Two stories from three decades ago...I guess Linux can only have so many kernel updates to report about...

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Re:Slow News Day? by Phroggy · 2003-02-21 20:16 · Score: 1

Two stories from three decades ago...I guess Linux can only have so many kernel updates to report about...

Just wait til 2.6 is released (or did I hear they're gonna call in 3.0?); they'll release an update every couple of weeks.

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Re:Slow News Day? by Anonvmous+Coward · 2003-02-21 21:55 · Score: 1

"Two stories from three decades ago...I guess Linux can only have so many kernel updates to report about..."

Not to worry, Mozilla will have a minor version update soon. Soon there'll be much rejoicing!

Ahh Those were the days by Saoi · 2003-02-21 19:38 · Score: 5, Funny

single character commands, harsh bootings, sounds like my kinda system, pity I wasn't born yet :(

Re:Ahh Those were the days by antiprime · 2003-02-21 19:49 · Score: 5, Funny

Get drunk to simulate the slow response time, then try to navigate through your favorite modern windowing shell without using a mouse, tie the power cord to your ankle to simulate random rebooting that you somehow blame yourself for: exactly the same effect. For advanced nostalgia, futz with your monitor and display settings so everything's a shade of green and black.
Re:Ahh Those were the days by Scrameustache · 2003-02-21 22:45 · Score: 1

Get drunk to simulate the slow response time

I'll drink to that!
: )
Cheers!

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Re:Ahh Those were the days by BinBoy · 2003-02-21 23:23 · Score: 2, Funny

If you wanted a color monitor, you could buy one of those plastic covers that made the white text look amber.
Re:Ahh Those were the days by RedCard · 2003-02-22 02:03 · Score: 1

...single character commands, harsh bootings,...

BBS?? Heck, sounds like my ex-girlfriend.
Re:Ahh Those were the days by macrom · 2003-02-22 02:56 · Score: 1

BBS?? Heck, sounds like my ex-girlfriend.

Don't you mean BBW? The 'W' and 'S' keys are so close together I can see how such a typo could be made.
Re:Ahh Those were the days by FuzzyBad-Mofo · 2003-02-22 04:46 · Score: 2, Interesting

..tie the power cord to your ankle to simulate random rebooting that you somehow blame yourself for..

So you're saying that you had a Spectrum or Timex/Sinclair? <rimshot>

My Commodore had color graphics, rarely crashed, and had no mouse. It needed no mouse. CBM BBSs' were neat, because they could do color PETSCII graphics and even animated screens made from the graphics characters. It was similar (and possibly superior) to ANSI graphics, but this was at a time when the IBM PC had a green screen and a beeping speaker.

5 million solders? I dont think so. by DaPhoenix · 2003-02-21 19:41 · Score: 5, Interesting

"The answer was two weeks later, when the Computerized Bulletin Board System first spun its disk, picked up the line and took a message."

"Christensen wrote the BIOS and all the drivers (as well as the small matter of the bulletin board code itself), while Suess took care of five million solder joints and the odd unforeseen problem."

Okay time for quick math.

60 secs a min * 60 mins a hour * 24 hours a day * 14 days (a fortnight) = 1209600 seconds.

5 million solders / 1209600 seconds = ~4.13 solders per second.

Aint no way in hell he did that by hand.

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Re:5 million solders? I dont think so. by DaPhoenix · 2003-02-21 19:48 · Score: 1

By the way, honestly, what kind of sentence is this!?

"Christensen wrote the BIOS and all the drivers (as well as the small matter of the bulletin board code itself), while Suess took care of five million solder joints and the odd unforeseen problem."

What the heck is the odd unforeseen problem! The author might be refering to later in the article where they design a mechanism to detect an incomming call, start the floppy drive, etc, but they dont mention a problem beforehand.

Seriously I expected 'more better' proofreading out of ZDNet :P

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Re:5 million solders? I dont think so. by Student_Tech · 2003-02-21 20:02 · Score: 1

I think 5 words a second is resonable.
300 baud ~ 300 bits/sec
each character is about 10 bits (8 + start/stop bits)
so it is about 30 characters/sec
using normalish 5 characters word
30 characters/sec / 5 characters word = 6 words /sec
Even at 8 bits/character it would still only be 7.5 words/sec. And all of this doesn't count spaces between the words.
Re:5 million solders? I dont think so. by DaPhoenix · 2003-02-21 20:17 · Score: 1

honestly what the heck are you replying to? That has nothing to do with the claim that "Suess took care of five million solder joints"

To quote Captain Murphy, "Your an ass."

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Re:5 million solders? I dont think so. by DaPhoenix · 2003-02-21 20:21 · Score: 1

no that'd be me. Okay so forget my last post.

In the words of the french guy from sealab...

"Aww beep."

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Re:5 million solders? I dont think so. by teamhasnoi · 2003-02-21 20:25 · Score: 2, Funny

Sorry, that was a typo. It was supposed to be, "Suess took care of five million soldiers, joints, and the odd unforeseen problem."
I'm guessing that Suess was a huge pothead, and traded dope to the soldiers in exchange for the hardware. The "odd unforseen problem" was when he ran out.
It's all right here in this web site. Just don't /. it. Five million soldiers don't take kindly to DoS.
Re:5 million solders? I dont think so. by Phroggy · 2003-02-21 20:25 · Score: 2, Informative

Another example is "Three-hundred baud is around five words a second - you can read faster than that". First of all it's more like fifty words per second, and no, you generally can't read novel material faster than that (and I've tried, on live chat with a 300 baud connection when other people were using 2400bps modems - and I'm a fast reader).

Um, dude, yes, you can read text at 300bps. You might have trouble reading a novel at that speed, but you can certainly read text from a chatroom (or teleconference, as they were called in those days). Assuming N81 (no parity, 8 bits per byte and one stop bit), that's 33 characters per second, which is about 5 words or so. Maybe 6 or 7 if they're short.

If everyone else was at 2400bps, 300bps may have seemed fast if you were also trying to type at the same time the text was coming in. That was kinda challenging.

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Re:5 million solders? I dont think so. by DaPhoenix · 2003-02-21 20:25 · Score: 1

Point well taken.

Note to self, be sure to reread before posting after a long night of festivities ;)

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Re:5 million solders? I dont think so. by Leeji · 2003-02-21 20:32 · Score: 1

Where are my Mod +Funny points when I need them? :)

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Re:5 million solders? I dont think so. by automag_6 · 2003-02-21 21:39 · Score: 1

Yes, it was an exageration. However, I'm pretty sure you could float solder that much. For those that don't know what float soldering is, you heat the back of the board, (or not, works both ways) then you simply lay your circut board on a vat of molten solder. The solder will stick to the metal, and the green boards we are all familiar with repel solder. You then remove the board, and within seconds, the solder is cool, and the board is ready for use. In industrial applications, a line of boards can be 'floated' across a vat of solder, in production line manner, hence the term 'float solder'ing.
Re:5 million solders? I dont think so. by Mike1024 · 2003-02-22 00:14 · Score: 4, Funny

Hey,

Suess took care of five million solder joints and the odd unforeseen problem... 4.13 solders per second.

Aint no way in hell he did that by hand.

He did not do it all by hand,
he did not do it with Ayn Rand,
he did not do it for a band,
he did not do it to command.

He could have used a solder bath,
that could have worked with your math,
or may have used another path,
for the figures which cause your wrath.

Michael

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Re:5 million solders? I dont think so. by Pharmboy · 2003-02-22 00:23 · Score: 1

Um, dude, yes, you can read text at 300bps. You might have trouble reading a novel at that speed, but you can certainly read text from a chatroom (or teleconference, as they were called in those days). Assuming N81 (no parity, 8 bits per byte and one stop bit), that's 33 characters per second, which is about 5 words or so. Maybe 6 or 7 if they're short.

And thus abbreviations were born. ie: :) lol, rofl, btw, wtf

I also think 300 baud modems are partially to blame for L33+ 5p34k, in some way. I wonder how many people claim to have invented that. Algore perhaps?

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Re:5 million solders? I dont think so. by Billly+Gates · 2003-02-22 04:05 · Score: 1

No he purchased his micro-computer as a kit. The only soldering he did was to add an aditional 8k of ram.

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Re:5 million solders? I dont think so. by Phroggy · 2003-02-22 07:37 · Score: 1

And thus abbreviations were born. ie: :) lol, rofl, btw, wtf

This is exactly right. "A/S/L?" came from AOL chatrooms though.

I also think 300 baud modems are partially to blame for L33+ 5p34k, in some way.

I don't think so - l33t sp34k doesn't save characters, and certainly doesn't make things easier to type (or read). I think it evolved from the warez crowd (the ones who deliberately misspelled "wares" with a "z").

I wonder how many people claim to have invented that. Algore perhaps?

I'm not sure, but I've heard people pronounce "warez" as "war-ez" instead of as "wares", and swear up and down that they know what they're talking about. Morons.

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Re:5 million solders? I dont think so. by Pharmboy · 2003-02-22 08:23 · Score: 1

I'm not sure, but I've heard people pronounce "warez" as "war-ez" instead of as "wares", and swear up and down that they know what they're talking about. Morons.

Yea, warez is NOT a city in Mexico, lol.

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BBS Games by Jason1729 · 2003-02-21 19:46 · Score: 3, Interesting

What I really miss about BBS's were the game doors, Especially Tradewars and GTWar. I know people run Tradewares via telnet not, but it's just not the same thing. I got to know the other players and it was more fun because it was personal.

I still hold a grudge against Telus because they bought the company that bought the ISP that bought my BBS to shut it down and harvest their customers. I even cancelled my ClearNet cell phone when Telus bought them.

Jason
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Re:BBS Games by xmutex · 2003-02-21 19:49 · Score: 1

Don't forget The Pit!

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Re:BBS Games by CodeMunch · 2003-02-21 22:48 · Score: 1

Nucleus, Octapode, Other?
Re:BBS Games by CodeMunch · 2003-02-22 11:27 · Score: 1

I started out on a few of the smaller ones & then ran into Nucleus and just stuck with it. Alas, I can't remember any of the names of the smaller BBS either except for one i frequented in Manitoba called CompuTech.
Re:BBS Games by Jason1729 · 2003-02-22 12:51 · Score: 1

Toronto actually, and the BBS was Canada Remote Systems. They were bought and killed by I-Star who wanted to try and convince the users to subscribe with them. At the time, I was already using Interlog internet service as an ISP. Interlog's backbone was connected through I-Star, so I cancelled my Interlog account and told them exactly why.

I-Star was bought by PSINet, and then both PSINet and ClearNet were bought by Telus, so I cancelled my ClearNet phone and told them exactly why.

I know the companies don't care and probably got a laugh out of it, but it was still fun to tell them off.

Jason
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My idea for bringing a new form of BBS back by zymano · 2003-02-21 19:47 · Score: 1, Interesting

The phone manufacturers could add some software and modems and then why not have a convergence of technologies like France had with minitel but with cellphones and all other types of phones. Have you ever called a local store to find a certain product but too late and they they had closed ? If you could just call their personal BBS/OS then you could see if they stocked what you were looking for and store hour times.

There you have it. If these idiot electronic companies could get together with a plan to install this stuff then i think life would be easier for everybody. I don't think it could be done without government prodding though.

Re:My idea for bringing a new form of BBS back by awing0 · 2003-02-21 21:34 · Score: 1

We have this technology, it's called the internet. It's not worth the trouble for most stores to setup an entire interface for customers to see their stock while they aren't open. That's why it won't happen. Government prodding? Are you suggesting to make laws against not having a publically available electronic inventory? And if the store is closed, what good is knowing they have it in stock when you have to wait till their open to buy it!

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Re:My idea for bringing a new form of BBS back by gregmac · 2003-02-22 12:31 · Score: 1

Yes, it certainly makes more sense to dedicate a business phone line, get some system running with a modem, and install some old no-longer-in-development software (though, you could always continue development yourself, it's not like that takes a lot of time) in order to be able to show one person at a time your price list in ASCII. And all they have to do to find it is somehow guess that you have a BBS, open up their phone book to find the number, and install a program capable of using a modem to dial up.
Of course, I'm being optimistic here and assuming people even HAVE modems still.. (i only ever put a nic in my new systems).

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Bulletin: by $$$$$exyGal · 2003-02-21 19:47 · Score: 2, Funny

Bulletin:

Bill brainstorms bulletin board before bedtime. Blizzard buoyed brainchild.

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Flashbacks???? by sickboy_macosX · 2003-02-21 19:47 · Score: 3, Insightful

I thought This was discussed last week, leave it to slashdot to start beating a dead horse..repeadtedly, until people start complaining.

Not trying to be a troll, just saying hey, we have already discussed it.

Memo To Malda: Make sure your not posting the same story a week later...

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Re:Flashbacks???? by Anonymous Coward · 2003-02-21 20:01 · Score: 1, Funny

That was the 9600bps version. This is the 300baud line. Not everyone's parents can buy them the latest, fastest modem ya know!
Re:Flashbacks???? by DarkKnightRadick · 2003-02-21 21:11 · Score: 1

Actually, the refrenced /. article does talk about the 300 baud modem. :-P

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Some BBS's begat great Internet dynasties by 87C751 · 2003-02-21 19:48 · Score: 3, Interesting

Northwest Nexus, the major ISP headquartered in Bellevue, WA, began as halcyon.com. And halcyon.com was originally a 386, 8 MB of memory, DESQview 386 and the MS-DOS version of Waffle, all running in Ralph Sims' bedroom. With that kit, Ralph was running very close to a full newsfeed to over 100 leaf nodes back in the early 90's. When someone made a DEC Unix box available (it might have been an Alpha, come to think of it), he migrated and I ported BBStevie to big iron for the first time. Soon afterward, halcyon stepped into the ISP business and Ralph got to quit his day job. I recall that Tom Dell was pretty impressed with what Ralph achieved with Waffle. And I think I had a shell account on halcyon until halfway through the decade.

Those were the days...

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I only sigh.... by jlleblanc · 2003-02-21 19:51 · Score: 2, Interesting

I caught the tail end of the BBS era in the mid 90's just as AOL was beginning to ship out their free trial floppies, which everyone else used to get online. Where I lived, AOL didn't have access numbers, so I explored the local BBS'es and learned about modem commands and such instead. (Much better use of time :) Those days were fun.

One slow day in the news world... by pVoid · 2003-02-21 19:58 · Score: 3, Funny

Man, this article reminds me of the simpson's episode where bart picks up a magazine of "Find Waldo", and all you see in the picture is this big empty room with waldo in the middle, to which bart says "man he's just not trying anymore"...

The article is a dupe, and it's not even a karma whore, it's a single line, with a single link.

I'm not really complaining though, so don't think I'm a troll or something. It's just good to have a sense of humour about ourselves every once in a while.

Re:One slow day in the news world... by jericho4.0 · 2003-02-21 20:20 · Score: 4, Interesting

I'll back you on this.
This is a dupe. From what? Three or four days ago. Yesterday we saw a multiple dupe about some interview Bill Gates gave 8 years ago.
I realize I'm not paying anyone for the right to post this, but someone is paying the editors, no? Christ, start _trying_ to look like pros, at least. Take a fucking journalisim class and discover the concept of journalistic responsibility. I, for one, am tired of seeing dupes that anyone who actually reads the damn site could recognize.
IMHO, slashdot needs to produce a mission statement that clearly states what slashdot is. Are you news? A gossip site? A bunch of kids playing in Mom's basement?
I realize that 'go start you're own site if you don't like it' is a valid response to this post, but I simply don't understand the lack of professionalism I see here. We are talking about 20 posts a day kids, get with it.

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Re:One slow day in the news world... by lkaos · 2003-02-21 21:18 · Score: 1

In all fairness I imagine it has to do with co-ordination. I don't think that the /. editors read every article on /. like some of us readers do. In fact, if the editors are like most folks, they probably want to do something completely different from /. on their off-time.

So, with a bunch of editors, it's only natural for things to get lost. Most of the time, the dupes have titles that could easily be mistaken for different stories.

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Re:One slow day in the news world... by Big+Mark · 2003-02-21 22:46 · Score: 2, Funny

Yesterday we saw a multiple dupe
Three identical stories == tripe?

-Mark
Re:One slow day in the news world... by JordanH · 2003-02-22 08:05 · Score: 1
- I don't think that the /. editors read every article on /. like some of us readers do.
The editors read /.? Are you kidding? Those guys made millions when they were bought out by Andover some years back. They don't sit around like a bunch of losers reading /. anymore.
Uhhh... hmmm...

Never would have known... by cabra771 · 2003-02-21 19:58 · Score: 5, Funny

that those damn people at Blizzard not only killed all my social skills by releasing Diablo and Diablo II, but now I learn that they got me hooked even earlier! Damn all those BBS's I used to visit!!!

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New door? by MystikPhish · 2003-02-21 20:02 · Score: 1

Am I the only one that saw the title and thought, "Cool! I wonder if they'll provide a door to Warcraft or a Warcraft version TradeWars?"

Damn I spent too much time BBS'n.

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Makes me wonder... by Mattcelt · 2003-02-21 20:28 · Score: 1

...what great things will the blizzard of 2003 spark into being?

I'd bet $10 that this time it has something to do with porn, though... Heh.

Re:Makes me wonder... by Anonymous Coward · 2003-02-21 20:39 · Score: 1, Funny

"This time"? Are you suggesting BBSes didn't have anything to do with porn?

Kids and Doors (True Story!) by romper · 2003-02-21 21:17 · Score: 5, Funny

In the late 80's my parents took away the monitor to "ground" me from playing Tradewars 2002 on the local BBS.

Of course I could blindly launch telemate from DOS and knew how to turn on the printer log and start the dial-up.

The printer didn't even have ink! We had to read the carbon copy.

You kids now with your fancy monitors and colors.

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Hey! Mozilla is only 4 years old! by Netscurror · 2003-02-21 21:23 · Score: 1

I didn't know what Chris Blizzard was doing in 1978! Wow!

Speaking of BBS.. by xchino · 2003-02-21 21:26 · Score: 1

Anyone know the cheat codes to Legend of the Red Dragon? Zandorf14 is killing me while I sleep every night, and that damn bar wench still won't put out..

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Re:Speaking of BBS.. by Geburah · 2003-02-21 21:44 · Score: 1

Funny LORD story for ya. Back in our BBS days and addicted to Legend of the Red Dragon, we would anxiously await 12:00 at night to make an attempt be the first to log on and reap the rewards. Problem was, there was one kid called Darklord that was the neighborhood rich kid and he had all the up-to-date hardware. He ALWAYS made it online first and hogged all the monsters... Therefor, he always got to do certain things in the game that others couldn't. Well, me and and a buddy did a little amateur social engineering and got his modem line number. At 11:59, we wardialed his phone line. He didn't make it online. We did, and finally got to enjoy the benefits of being an early bird. :) Well, that wasn't to exiting, but hey! We felt really smart then! You know how nostalgia is! Plus, I gotta keep my posting up. Tryin to get me some mod points. ;)

It was GREAT! by xchino · 2003-02-21 21:30 · Score: 4, Funny

Oh man, I remember how great those days were. Sitting for hours on end chatting away, playing door games, downloading shareware, adn :)(&(& )_& (*
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Re:It was GREAT! by Anonymous Coward · 2003-02-21 21:54 · Score: 3, Funny

True story.. I once got banned from my favorite BBS for swearing in the chat room. the word ass appeared TWICE in a fit of line noise..

Re:so what by TeknoDragon · 2003-02-21 21:44 · Score: 1

uh... rather on-topic rather than off...

to think, normal people get it on

nerds invent the BBS

Re:Weather. by OneFix · 2003-02-21 22:22 · Score: 1

Umh, actually no...this was before most of the error correction schemes that appeared after the technology hit 14.4Kbps...

Before that, when you would pick up a phone, the modem would drop carrier almost instantly.

However, one of the kewlest things I've seen was what I was able to do with my Vic-Modem (C= 64)...the modem was a 300 baud modem, but you could force the modem to renegotiate @450bps after you were connected (for some reason it wouldn't dial out @450bps)...but this was so kewl at the time...imagine being able to squeeze out an extra 50 MegaBits from a 100 MegaBit NIC today...very kewl stuff at the time...

As for the most resilient modem I've seen...it would have to be my old LineLink ProModem 144e (from my Amiga days)...the thing still works...

how appropriate by Anonymous Coward · 2003-02-21 22:30 · Score: 1, Funny

I've been trying to download the Diablo 2 expansion pack because the weather's been so terrible. ;)

Not the only thing... by liquidsin · 2003-02-22 00:09 · Score: 2, Funny

...conceived during that blizzard. I was born in November '78, roughly nine months after the blizzard. From what I know, the snow was so deep you couldn't leave the house for days (weeks?) on end. Thank you blizzard, for leaving my parents with nothing much else to do but have sex.

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Re:Not the only thing... by dacarr · 2003-02-22 02:00 · Score: 2, Funny

A blizzard? You were lucky! Here in southern California, in 1978, we had to make do with a really nasty rain storm and flooding in Yorba Linda.

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Your wish is granted by ch-chuck · 2003-02-22 00:26 · Score: 1

I just googled for "atari bbs telnet" and found this, clicked the link and was logging into BBS Express! It is part of a 'telnet bbs' webring so there's bound to be lots more. this one looks good, ten nodes, cable. Enjoy.

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Usenet Born at the Same Time - Synchronicity by Futurian · 2003-02-22 01:29 · Score: 5, Interesting

The impetus to electronically intercommunicate was strong. Usenet was born in 1979, one year after the creation of the CBBS. I was an undergraduate at Duke at that time, and recall being shown a prototype of the project by Tom Truscott. The early messages included arcane comments about operating system programming for "Unix wizards". I told Tom it was excellent, but with my limited horizons I internally felt that the early games "adventure" and "Zork" were more exciting. In retrospect, Tom Truscott, Jim Ellis and the other creators captured the zeitgeist and deserve lavish praise. A full Usenet feed topped 500 gigabytes in 2002, a mind-boggling size circa 1979, and the leviathan keeps growing.

Tom and Jim were great people. They were enthusiastic, friendly, and helpful even to a "lowly" undergraduate. They were always trying to improve Usenet and spoke extensively about how the data structures of the news program had to be redone. Even in 1979 more sophisticated structures were needed to scale up and handle the growing number of news articles. The Duke graduate school did not have a budget item for long distance telephone calls to swap Usenet news items. Luckily, Bell Labs charitably became a hub of the early network and subsidized the long distance calls.

Jim Ellis enjoyed reading SF and his programming skill helped make one positive SF scenario, inexpensive fast electronic communication, come true. I never had a chance to thank him for all his help and for suggesting I read "Shockwave Rider" and "Forever War". Thanks - via the celestial internet.

Re:Usenet Born at the Same Time - Synchronicity by sirinek · 2003-02-22 04:44 · Score: 1

A full Usenet feed topped 500 gigabytes in 2002, a mind-boggling size circa 1979, and the leviathan keeps growing.

How much of that is spam? :)

siri

Interesting by FIT_Entry1 · 2003-02-22 02:50 · Score: 1

cuz the blizzard of '72 gave birth to ME!

Brings Back Memories by Chronos56 · 2003-02-22 03:08 · Score: 1

During the mid 80's a friend and I created the "Deadlock BBS Construction Kit" for the C-64. Seeing this thread brought back a lot of memories. We never made a fortune on the program but we did have fun.

I did a quick Google search and found the BBS software mentioned several times with good comments. Its nice to be remembered kindly.

Jim Johnson

Telegard by !Xabbu · 2003-02-22 03:27 · Score: 1

Some of you will remember that bbs program.. it came out a year or two after I started calling out to the boards. I'd love to see what would have happened with this software if someone had of made it open source. Alas.. everyone liked the idea of OS but nobody wanted to release TG under that license. Telegard embodied everything I loved about bbs software. It had almost everything I needed until I switched from DOS to Linux.

Time goes on and we keep on reinventing ourselves..

http://www.clockworkorangebbs.org/bbs

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Here is some more info by Billly+Gates · 2003-02-22 03:39 · Score: 2, Informative

He worked as a consultant for IBM. Whenever you bought IBM mainframes and or mini's a consultant usually came with the purchase. My father purchased 1 mainframe and several mini's back in 79 and happened to recieve Christensen as a consultant.

Anyway the link is here written by Christensen back in 88. Amazingly his old cbbs program for cp/m ran for 15 years before being retired!

He tried to get my father to join his bbs but my old man didn't have a pc or I should say Micro-computer back in those days and did not see the fun in it or understand why anyone would need a computer at home. Back in 78 the pc's did not have any off the shelve software like development tools( besides Microsoft Basic), spreadsheets, or games. Christensen's z-80 computer for example only had 16k of ram, an editor and assembler compiler. Thats it. My father only knew cobal and IBM 360 assembler so he couldn't really program it.

Anyway how it got started was that he loved to share diskettes and tapes with his buddy in Michican. The blizard of 78 was real bad. My parents could not leave the house for close to a week and snow drifts almost reached the roof. It took 2 days for my father to clear out a path to his car. We had close to 5 feet of snow. Anyway as the story goes he couldn't share the diskettes with his buddy so he decided to develop a way to use a phone line and a cbbs was born.

He also came up with the idea of using phone lines before modems were around. Back in the early or mid 70's he was playing with a spectograph and was analzying analog data over an ethernet line. Out of curiousity he examined a phone line and saw striking similarities when examing the wave forms. He wondered if it were possible to use phone lines as a poor mans wan. He began working on a modem and hayes beat him to it before he was done.

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the blizzard of '78 also by mikesab · 2003-02-22 03:41 · Score: 1

let to the birth of me.

When was the blizzard? by AKAImBatman · 2003-02-22 03:52 · Score: 2, Insightful

Erm, am I the only one who remembers that the "great Chicago Blizzard" was in '79 not '78? Don't believe my rusty old memory? See for yourself.

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Re:When was the blizzard? by AKAImBatman · 2003-02-22 03:54 · Score: 1

Here's an even better link.

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Re:When was the blizzard? by Anonymous Coward · 2003-02-22 08:10 · Score: 1, Insightful

Only the slashdot story is mistaken, of course. Christensen says "January 16, 1978 was a very snowy day." and the ZDNet article says "Winter in Chicago means snow, and lots of it. Twenty-five years and one month ago saw a doozy of a storm."

Christensen obviously remembers it wasn't "The Blizzard Of" or he'd say it that way. The ZDNet article is iffy; they might have it wrong, but didn't say enough to pin them down. This oiliness is called "Professional Journalism". The slashdot article is simply wrong, since saying "The blizzard of" instead of "A blizzard in" clearly implies a great event.

Moral: Ignore any text you see on slashdot, RTFA, and then do some light background research.

online discussion systems on mainframes by thvv · 2003-02-22 04:20 · Score: 3, Interesting

BBS-like functions were provided by
various mainframe timesharing systems well before
1978.

Multics had an online threaded discussion system
called "continuum" (later renamed "forum") which
I used while housebound during the Massachusetts
blizzard of 78. The Multics machine wouldn't
fit in my apartment though: I had a TermiNet 300
dialed up to MIT's Honeywell 6180.

Multics continuum was first written in the mid 70s
in order to bid on a RFP for the Executive Office
of the President of the United States
(we lost the bid, IBM got it).
At the time we were told that the capability
desired was similar to a discussion system on
the Dartmouth timesharing system.

The PLATO system at University of Illinois
had a threaded discussion system in the 70s,
as did a similar system, forget its name, at
Stanford.

Can you come up with some pseudo-Seuss for... by yerricde · 2003-02-22 04:55 · Score: 1

Seuss Enterprises submitted an amicus brief supporting the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act.

Now can anybody translate that brief into the verse style of Dr. Seuss?

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funny you should mention... by vena · 2003-02-22 06:18 · Score: 1

remember Renegade? the Telegard hack? well have a look here.

who knows how far the project will actually get, however, as it appears to be lying dead in the water right now. perhaps some exposure on /. will help it get off the ground.

Re:i wish i lived back then by MagusSlurpy · 2003-02-22 09:35 · Score: 1

Hey, it's "l337." G0d, j00 4r3 s0 /\/3\/\/8i3. :D

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Re:Anyone else hate? by Lord+Bitman · 2003-02-22 10:03 · Score: 1

I did, but I don't bother talking about it. People who talk about their happy childhoods bug me, because they are just talking about what they wished they were doing instead. You want to go build another tree fort and hang around with 8-year-olds? Nobody's fucking stopping you. Go ahead and do it, and stop whining. Micheal Jackson does it, why the fuck can't you?

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I remember well the blizzard of '78 by Ezekiel68 · 2003-02-22 13:47 · Score: 1

I was 10 years old. We had no school for (it seemed like) forever. On other winters we would build snow forts but in '78 each kid on the block had his own personal snow palace, thanks to the plowing. We didn't see our curbside mailbox for a couple of weeks.

There were t-shirts, "I survived the blizzard of '78."

That's what I recall.

Ezekiel68

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Re:TW2002 in 80's? by romper · 2003-03-01 12:01 · Score: 1

It might not have been TW2k2 then (there were enough "space trading games" around), but the story itself is true.

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