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BitTorrent Blamed for Matrix2 Downloads
MartyJG writes "The BBC are running a story on how Matrix Reloaded is available via P2P. This time BitTorrent is taking the heat for the distribution - even though there's no company behind it to drag over the coals. The story speculates about the source of the copy, suggesting it's from a film or digital source rather than a cinema-screen-leech." Despite this piracy, the flick has made over $365M already. Including my tickets. Twice.
Great work guys. I'm downloading Matrix: Reloaded right now with BitTorrent and the whole thing is about to get Slashdotted. Thanks.
Someone plz post the bit-torrent link? :)
No I didnt spell check this post...
Let's see the MP** go after this one....
Maybe the copies are another form of control... Give us a grainy low res version to excite us and then grab the $8 admission to the movie.... The matrix has us!
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy people in the world?"
The Matrix Reloaded is available through BitTorrent? Wow, thanks BBC, I never would have known that without that story! Now I just gotta find that .torrent file...
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Without a company to go after, it's only a matter of time before the MPAA goes after a few users a la the RIAA over the last couple months. Considering that studios put oodles more money into a major movie release than a music CD, they have plenty more to "lose" from P2P trading...
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Their lawyer was quoted as saying 'This one is the exact same thing as the last one. Same gimmicks, same fast-food mysticism. I believe we have a strong case for plagarism'.
I guess next you will tell me that people use Kazaa for porn.
Most of these early bootlegs are filmed on a VHS camcorder with people's heads in the picture. If I was planning on seeing Matrix in the theatre, I wouldn't download a garbage version. If I wasn't planning on seeing it in theatres, I might consider it, but I'd probably still wait for the DVD. How does this hurt them?
Slashdot subscriptions have real added value... subscribers can get their copy of Reloaded before the whole site gets /.ed
The writeup says it all: The friggin' movie has made 365M already! Not to mention to utter PILES of cash from all the merchandizing and cross-promotion...
I don't know what it cost to make, but to whine that "a few hundred million isn't enough, those bastards are ripping us off" doesn't leave me with a whole lot of sympathy.
How much is enough, Hollywood?
I've paid about $30 so far to watch The Matrix: Reloaded. Reloaded has provoked many philosophical debates. Is Neo a genuine Jesus-like messiah? Is there a Matrix within a Matrix? Then there is speculation on what will happen next. Is it so wrong, after paying $30 total to see it in theatres, to download a low quality telesync just to double check your facts for arguements sake?
Movies like the Matrix, Lords of the Rings etc are social events. People will watch it in the cinema among their friends family no matter how easy it is to get at divx copy.
Those hundreds of Agent Smiths that Neo had to fight were actually multiple streaming BitTorrent threads. It all makes sense now.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
So all I can say is: Bah.
Hoist Number One and Number Six.
The story speculates about the source of the copy, suggesting it's from a film or digital source rather than a cinema-screen-leech.
Wow, sounds like the culprit is an insider! Perhaps someone should contact these guys and point out the "inadvertant error" in their analysis before the real criminals get away?
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This is pure nonsense. There are about 6 different versions of Reloaded floating about online but all the ones I've seen are Telesyncs.
There aren't any screener versions or similar online yet... believe me, I'd have looked!
At the end of the day, I can't imagine any Matrix fans are going to download the movie rather than seeing it on the big screen and/or buying the DVD.
I've tried getting the movie 3 times with eMule, and each time it wasn't Matrix but a porn movie. The female characters were reloaded alright, but not the Matrix ...
I guess I'll just go the theater to see it.
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
You'd actually want more people trying to download it at the same time... because that provides many more upload sites at the same time.
Bittorrent is a really clever technology... I was able to download RedHat 9.0 in minutes rather than hours when it was made available.
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Considering that some people are seeing the movie more than once and how much it has grossed so far, complaining about illegal downloads seems so redundant, it's almost laughable !
I'll take a bet 95% of people who have an illegal copy of the movie have paid to see it.
There's no substitue for seeing a movie like the matrix on a big screen.
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Though it's true the Matrix Reloaded is a far better film to see on the BIG SCREEN than in some cheesy little window on my PC, my enjoyment of it that way (and I took my wife with me to see it too!) did not contribute anything towards the 380 million dollars it has collected to date. Why? We snuck in! Never pay to see a movie at a megaplex... just leave your coat in your car and claim you're returning from a cigarette break. It's the punk rock thing to do!!
The flag just makes more sense than the constitution. - Judas Gutenberg
Becuase Bruce Almighty made more money than them....they have to come up with some excuse for a shitty Jim Carrey movie beating them. Wouldn't you?
Rob
"Digital piracy has become a real menace," - Jack Valenti (see, I RTFA!)
I'd say SARS is a real menace. Or AIDS. Or rednecks in the white house. How many people has my piratred copy of Matrix 2 killed? Injured even?
OK, there was the Russian. But I didn't know he was standing there when threw the CD.
Clearly ones and zeroes are dangerous things. We shouldn't be teaching these things in school. Think of the children! Won't someone think of the children!
Oh, the humanity.
Jack Valenti must not have a very good grip on reality if he thinks my vain effort to figure out if Carrie-Anne Moss shows either of her no-doubt perfect nipples in that one scene is in any way dangerous to civilization as we know it. Fucktard.
-- I wanna decide who lives and who dies - Crow T. Robot, MST3K
No, but many non-matrix fans will download it just for the sake of seeing it, instead of waiting to rent it at blockbuster.
The rental industry is getting killed by movie piracy online. If you're a fan of a film, you'll go to the theatre to see it.
But all those so-so films that you tell yourself "I'll wait and rent it", can now be downloaded free-as-in-hobo at your leisure.
Of course we only need justify this the same way as we do with MP3 'sharing'; Why should I pay to see a movie that only has one good character and the rest is filler?
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In other news, the Associated Press is reporting that 85% of Matrix2 bootleg bytes flow over Cisco routers. Therefore, Cisco is to blame for bootlegging. Several users reported that their Cisco products simply began downloading a Matrix2 bootleg without their permission.
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The copy of matrix reloaded they are probably talking about is a telesync by centropy. It is shot whith a dv cam in a theatre, with a direct audio feed, encoded to svcd, 3 cd's, and has been all over the net for over a week...
Release the DVDs earlier, and people will buy them instead of downloading. And those who still download probably wouldn't have bought a DVD anyway - for them the choice was a) don't have it or b) pirate it. They were not open to choice c) 'buy it' in the first place. That is the fallacy that the MPAA/RIAA rely on when citing "piracy concerns" - they assume that everyone who has Item X would have paid for it if it were not available in pirated form; that is a faulty assumption.
The fact that large-scale movie piracy (and indeed, any piracy) is happening is an indicator that people are largely unsatisfied with the current prices and/or distribution methods.
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Apart from the obvious one that the 'low quality DVDs' are probably exactly the same data that is being touted as a high quality bit-torrent file...
There was no 'co-ordinated worldwide release' for Reloaded, here in Britain we got it a week an a half later than the US.
There were a whole host of pirate versions on alt.pictures.binaries.divx before the film was even released over here.
As for a solution to the problem, I've seen the film at the cinema, and I'd buy it on DVD, but guess what, there is no legitimate DVD yet.
I'd be tempted to download a divx as a stop-gap until the DVD is released (in it's final, most complete version) but I know that divx files rarely play back with sound even with the latest 5.05 release of the divx codec for Mac.
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So if they go after ONE person, they also have to go after the other 700 million people downloading as well because not one person is more accountable than any other. It's entirely balanced distribution, and finding the original contributor is all but impossible after it has been released to more that one machine. I dont think they could drag anyone to court and honestly answer why the other 699,999,999 people aren't there as well, it would be discrimination.
-- the source of the copy, suggesting it's from a film or digital source rather than a cinema-screen-leech--
Howabout going after themselves? I remeber a few days before Episode II came out I had a copy...and it was terrible. Sure I watched it and was wowed but when the movie came out I still went and saw it. Now if YOUR OWN COMPANY leaks a pristine digital copy it seems to me that the problem is your own company and not a file format (.torrent). And as many people pointed out, Ive seen matrix twice now and I garuntee you anyone searching out reloaded on bit torrent is A. a huge fan and B. will or has already shelled out to see it.
If they start to sue individual users since there is no company ill boycot the 3rd movie. Just like ill never buy a CD again (i support my artists by buying a tshirt at concerts, that is where they make money) the only thing you can do these days is vot with your dollar.
You guys (and gals) talk so much shit about the MPAA but who pays their salaries? You do. Everytime you see the matrix / LOTR your paying their lawyers to hunt people down. Never forget that.
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Newsgroups are where it's at. All three cd's of the Centropy SVCD release are in many of the alt.binaries groups.
Criticising BitTorrent shows just how clueless these guys are. Always aim at the end-user sharing program, and never at the underlying violators who are hosting the actual data being shared. Maybe if they went after Centropy, something might get done, but then again where could we go to download status symbols and be sup4r l33t??
Can't help noticing that it still somehow managed to gross a totally ridiculous amount of money..
I was just way impressed with the extra long fight scenes... I enjoy long fights.
We wouldn't have went out to see it and have a nice night out if I didn't argue it would be good to see. I wouldn't have argued it was good if I didn't download it.
I always make it a point to try and make sure the artist gets my coin if the artist deserves it. Theres so much crap out there, I feel if more people do as I do, then more talented and original artists will be weeded from corporate respawn.
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I've also heard that movie theaters are in far more trouble from video rentals than they could possibly be from file sharing. Who wants to go to some sticky-floor theater and eat overpriced greasy popcorn and pay $10 per person for tickets when you can rent a DVD and watch it on your home theater with your friends for less than the price of one ticket? Viewers are starting to figure that out.
These days I hardly ever go see big-release movies in the theater. I saw Spiderman and LOTR 1 and that's about it. Oh yeah, Attack of the Clones because a friend dragged me to the theater. I haven't seen LOTR 2 yet and I'm looking forward to seeing it, but I'm going to wait for a DVD rental. If that puts another nail into the MPAA's coffin, I'm all for it.
I beg to differ. I downloaded Fight Club off of some file sharing network a couple years ago. I heard it was good from a friend, but never got around to watching it. I was extremely impressed, so I bought it later that week. The same thing happened with Donnie Darko. There's something just *good* about owning a movie you know is good.
Yeah, I downloaded the Matrix Reloaded using bit torrent. But I also watched the movie twice in the theatre and refused to watch the download until I had seen it in the theatre. And I'm willing to bet most of the people who downloaded it watched it in the theatres as well.
This is especially true for this movie because so much of the draw is the visual effects and the whole theatre experience. It was well worth the cost of the ticket to see it in the theatre.
I would never replace the theatre experience with a poor-quality download.
$365mil is a lot of moolah; it needs a comparison.
Let's assume the worst case scenario*: Every college student in the united states downloads the movie and don't pay their $7 to see the movie in a theater. There are about 5 million college students**, so that works out to $35 million. That's ten percent of the total. And that total is still rising -- the movie hasn't been out that long, and the DVD is still far away.
* Ok, this isn't the worst case - sorry to be us-centric and imply that college students are the pirates. But, this is their propoganda and I'm following it to the MPAA's extreme.
** 1.3 mil college bound seniors * 4 = guesstimate
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Piracy: a crucial part of viral marketing.
Pirates have been given a bad rap, historically. History is written by the victors, remember. Many of the pirates from the great sailing age freed slaves and the indentured, set up their own kingless mini-republics and functional anarchies, and would appear more modern to us than their other contemporaries.
See this excert from TAZ on pirate utopias or this article or google it. And of course if you're really into the spirit of things, you could goof around reading No Quarter Given.
"They vilify us, the scoundrels do, when there is only this difference, they rob the poor under the cover of law, forsooth, and we plunder the rich under the protection of our own courage. Had you not better make then one of us, than sneak after these villains for employment" - D. Defoe
Damn those pesky terrorists
The Matrix program just made you *think* you did, so you could believe you were sticking one on The Man. This made you happy and contented so the machines could suck a few more amps out of your neural synapses.
When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
*yawn*. All things can be used for good or evil. Duh. What would be ideal would be for the BitTorrent folks to publicly denounce this. Or add a little disclaimer to their page (like Apple did with Rip Mix Burn) saying "We do not endorse or support the use of BitTorrent for illegal activities".
Now, here come the cries of "waaah, censorship, you're a fascist, etc". But think about it for just a second. All BitTorrent would be saying is "look, we created this to solve the problem of distributing things like ISO images to hundreds of people. We didn't create this to help you download the matrix. We stronly encourage you not to use it for that". That's not censorship, nor is it selling out. (Unless, of course, they really did create BitTorrent specifically for downloading movies.) They can't actively prevent you from downloading illegal files, but they can tell you that they think it's not such a bright idea.
Napster, Kazaa, and all the others really couldn't pull the "people can download anything from our networks, not just music" without the entire world laughing. Seeing as how BitTorrent has been used by RedHat and others to distribute ISOs, they actually can pull that argument and have it stick. And I really hope the BitTorrent folks don't pass on this opporuntity. Because then the RIAA has two choices: 1) accuse RedHat and others of supporting piracy by encouarging BitTorrent (which, while it would have MSFT dancing with glee, just isn't going to stick in this day and age); 2) suck it up and realize that tools can be used for both good and evil
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"BitTorent Blamed for Matrix2 Downloads"
Gun blamed for killing spree
Circular saw blamed for rash of new buildings
Gasoline blamed for smog
People kill people with guns. People build buildings using various tools. People burn gasoline in their cars. People illegally download the Matrix: Reloaded.
MORTAR COMBAT!
I bought a NEW DVD from COSTCO no long ago. Got home and discovered I had already purcahsed the DVD previously so I put it on the shelf to give to a friend. Gave it to a friend later on, they cracked the seal, put in the DVD - label matched the cover - and were treated to the hated purple Barney!
:-) Unfortunatly I don't recall off the top of my head which one it was - funny as hell though!
I laughed my ass off when they called me up bitching and insisted on getting the DVD back. I can hardly wait for someone to ask to borrow it
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The majority of their target are probably 20's-30's, working males. Many of them downloading it are probably only filling the gap between when they no longer want to see it in the theater and when they can get the DVD. I did the same thing for LotR:FotR and LotR:TTT. I downloaded the movie, but the second that dvd comes out I"m getting the extended edition. Why? I want to watch the movie now, but I want the actual DVD when I can get it. Will I download Matrix Reloaded? Maybe. Will I buy Animatrix, matrix:reloaded and matrix when they come out on dvd? Of course. (And yes I realize matrix is out, I want to get it w/ reloaded though.)
350 million in a couple of weeks is not "'debilitating' for the industry no matter how they slice the pie.
But hey, at least bittorrent is getting some advertising in.
I do security
thanks to the /. and bbc postings, downloading this bootleg will be in bullet-time.
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the original poster reminds me of an interesting point.
.NET act defines copyright infringement by sending like $1000 in stuff over a 6 month period. since a section of a movie is valueless, doesn't that make .torrent a gray area?
IANAL, but if a user is not sending the entire file, is she/he actually committing a crime by the net act?
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intriguing, at the very least.
I wonder if anybody at the MPAA has bothered to see "A Beautiful Mind"? If they did, they might realize that getting a piece of a really large pie is sometimes better than getting an entire small pie.
The one advantage the movie industry has with piracy is the fact that to really enjoy a movie like The Matrix - you gotta go see it on the BIG screen with Dolby/THX at bone crushing volume
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Try doing that at home without the wife ripping your head off
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The MPAA and the RIAA keep blaming the people who are downloading this stuff, yet they never look at how this stuff gets out there in the first place.
Where can a high-quality version of this movie or any other movie come from than from the people who work with it in their own studios? That's where they need to concentrate their efforts if you ask me.
If it is available to download, then people are going to download it, including myself. But how did it get out there?
Think about it!!
"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit."
OK, you rail against the MPAA but pay twice to see shallow garbage like "The Matrix Reloaded"?
I didn't expect journalistic integrity but I'd like to see a longer-than-10-second attention span..
...for making a movie about Philosophy and then charging $9 to see it. No one with a philosophy degree can afford to pay $9.
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Very funny. I have one. "College student sued for having copy of 'The Matrix Reloaded' on his computer. When asked for his take on the ordeal, he replied 'Copyright violation? Piracy? I thought this
''Internet'' thing was a subscription to a music/movie download service. I mean, what am paying these monthly fees and being forced to look at all the ads for anyhow?"
I can't afford a sig!
And hey, don't let age be a factor in bringing that family. Got an infant!? Grab an extra diaper or two and bring 'em right in with you! After all, what infant wouldn't love special effects blasting at 1000 db with flashing explosions lighting up the room. They were absolutely screaming with joy!
...if they'd put the thing up for grabs themselves to whoever was willing to pay, say 5 bucks for the download. People like myself who really want to see this movie will still be headed to the cinemas.
None of those are digital copys, only DTS but i got the REAL PROPER and its quite good quality.
ESOTERiC Release
REAL PROPER-APM Release
Centropy SVCD Release
Daduck-sn Release
after watching the Matrix in the theatre here in Saint Petersburg, Russia, imagine my surprise that upon taking the metro home, i saw a metro vender selling the mpeg4 CD for $2. full color cover and everything.
as soon as i got home, it was already available on our apartment network. sheesh!
If the movie was leaked from a film or digital source, then it seems to me that the MPAA needs to settle down and take care of itself before they start wagging fingers at everyone else.
How do movies get leaked? Who has access to them? What potential fines/penalties/criminal charges can and should be levied aginast people who actually have physical access to prints or digital copies?
If it was a digital copy leak... how was it done? If it was copied over a network, why wasn't it secured? Why wasn't in ecncrypted to prevent this in the first place?
Seems to me that the MPAA has much bigger problems than a few people who want to copy semi-decent quality rips of their products to watch on little tiny desktop monitors after they've already gone to see it in the theatres and helped make the movie a huge sucess.
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Humans Blamed for Piracy - MPAA Lobbies for their Extermination
Posted by CmdrTaco on 2003-05-27 15:32
Damnit, too late.
When I buy a CD or movie, the bulk of what I feel I'm paying for is quality of the product and the fact that I like the production and want to support the artist(s) that produced it. I personally am out there sampling stuff because I'm board. Being a person who hates spending money, I can admit that I've bought 2 CDs and a half dozen DVDs (and a 'to buy' list 7 DVDs long) because of p2p. Knowing myself, I can honastly say that I would not have bought a single CD, and maybe only one or two DVDs, nevermind the computer to watch/listen to them on...
Say what you want about P2P programs and movie leeching. One of the most notable effects for me was that we don't have to wait half a year anymore in the rest of the world before we get to see a good movie!
The best example is Star Wars I. When this movie was released there were actually people in Europe that FLEW OVER TO THE USA to watch that movie. Can you believe the insanity?
That was also the movie that really rocked the internet for being on the internet _before_ it was released officially.
I downloaded SW1 two days after the USA release and watched it in the public computer room at my university where I drew a huge crowd. Including 2 guys who _had_ tickets already to fly over. (I thought SW1 sucked though. I'm happy I didn't spend money on tickets)
I'm pretty happy P2P movie leeching happened so that I was able to see LOTR in the theater right away. I did buy tickets for that one, and enjoyed it a lot.
I haven't downloaded the new Matrix film nor did I get it on the net. I'm pretty sure the internet version is of low quality so that doesn't tempt me too much. I don't have the need to go to the theater because I think it's probably going to be pretty mediocre if you don't count the fighting scene, so I'll just wait for a DVD release at the movie rental.
Haven't they figured out yet that the people that download this crap will NEVER EVER actually buy the DVD release. If you're going to spend DAYS downloading some crappy copy over a P2P network rather than spend a lousy $10 to see it, then that's sad. My time is worth more than a $10 movie ticket. I'll see it in the theater and buy the DVD when it comes out.
Two things. One, it doesn't take days to download it, it takes hours. Three hours on a broadband connection, if you had actually read the article before speaking ignorantly. Second, the people that rent the DVD for $5 from Blockbuster or at an even lower price from Netflix aren't going to buy the DVD, either.
Oh yeah, one more thing. The guys that download the film can do something else while it downloads. They can click the link, then walk away for three hours while it downloads, and then click the file to start it up. What were you doing while the trailers, commercials, pathetic trivia questions, and advisories not to talk during the movie were playing before the movie started?
If they really wanted to cut down on piracy, all they would have to do is offer zero-day official DVD's - they could have just the movie with no extras for $5. Most people would probably buy that to get a great copy, and also go to the theater as well for the experience...
They can then offer the DVD later with all the extras, and most people would buy that too. At least for movies like the Matrix... it would probably only be a good plan for mega-movies and not smaller stuff.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I've read through most of the posts up here, and while most or either (a) jokes about the Matrix or (b) actually somewhat reasonable in their tone, a percentage, as always are (c) attempts to justify or moralize piracy. This always bugs me to no end, and now I believe I finally have a real logical argument to make against piracy without resorting to the simplistic "it's just wrong" argument...
What you are stealing from a movie company, record label or software developer is a SERVICE that you otherwise would have paid for, not a tangible product, not intellectual property, not potential income, but simply a service.
By way of example, let's say you get a copy of Photoshop. Sure, it's $699 or whatever it goes for today and you wouldn't have bought it anyway. Fine, no argument about lost income then, Adobe can't claim a loss on something they wouldn't have gotten in the first place.
However, you now have the service of that program with no compensation to the author. It's not so much the copy of the program being a problem, but the fact that you aren't paying for the service it provides.
As an admittedly contrived analogy, let's say you grab a guy off the street and make him mow your lawn at gunpoint. You are benefiting from his service without conpensating him. Had you not held the gun to your head, you would have had to compensate him for providing the service. While I admit there is nothing analogous to a gun when copying software or a movie, the argument still holds.
What service does a movie provide? Well, assuming it's not an utter piece of crap, entertainment is of course the answer. Therefore, to get a copy of the Matrix and watch it and enjoy it is deriving benefit of the service that movie provides without compensating those that should be compensated for creating it.
THIS is why piracy is wrong. No analogies to stealing a car, no arguments about lost potential profits, nothing like that. Simply put, a service is being stolen, and that is wrong.
Since this is Slashdot, and everything has to have a Microsoft spin one way or another, let me point out that this is the reason that Microsoft is pushing for a service-based model of the world. If you use Word for an hour, you are making use of the services the program provides for that timeframe. Hence, you are in essence renting it. In fact, to force people to purchase the software as we do today is actually worse for us as consumers in many ways. If you rent a car for a week but only drive it for two hours on Monday, your still paying for that entire week whether you used the car or not. This happens with software too. Microsoft has come up with some essnetially arbitrary value and assigned it to their software. You pay that amount and use it as much as you want. You might think you make out good because you use the software so much that the price seems good, but you also might use it so little that when calculated your paying on the order of $50 an hour or something (I'm pulling numbers out of my ass to illustrate the point, they may or may not be remotely accurate).
Microsoft however recognizes the essential fact that what they are selling is not a tangible product, but the service of a piece of software. This is also why you license software rather than purchase it outright incidentally. By offering software as a service, as the marketing monkeys have told us they want to do, they are in essence charging us for the real thing we are purchasing from them, the service, rather than a convenient representation of that (the software itself in purchaseable form). We will pay for the exact amount of that product we use, not some arbitrary amount. Note that I'm not saying I'm for this, mearly that it is a more accurate way of charging people and in effect is charging for what is actually being purchased, which is not really the case today.
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I guess you need to go out and destroy the Internet, then, huh?
What's this Submit thingy do?
You are wasting your time downloading a pirated movie. Besides... who would like to watch a movie like Matrix on anything less than a gaint screen ?
Cars blamed for drunk driving deaths
Guns blamed for armed robbery
Airport security blamed for terrorism
Music blamed for school shootings
McDonald's blamed for fat people
I could go on...
Maybe GOBBLES got another contract!
perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5, (41*2), sqrt(7056), (unpack(c,H)-2), oct(115), 10)'
Get a clue! bittorrent is not a privacy protecting lawless-idiot hiding p2p client. it is meant for big LEGAL downloads.
In order for bittorrent to work someone has to run a tracker. that is the centralization point. it is the single server on the net making the download possible by coordinating the peers for that download.
Legal entities take note: if you're going to sue someone first, sue the tracker operator(s)! Once that is said and done its EASY to simply ask any tracker for a list of peers serving the content to the world. Those are your next obvious targets.
bittorrent as an application is no different than running a simple web server hosting the content from a legal standpoint. it just saves on hosting bandwidth problems by using the downloading peers as a coordinated distributed cache during times of high load.
I believe it is our fate to be here. It is our destiny. I believe this day holds for each and every one of us...the very chance to download the matrix. When I see thousands of us here, on slashdot, and a program that thrives on distributed downloading, I do not see a coincidence.
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Sounds a bit like big media has made a strategic decision to criticise file sharing whenever their revenues don't meet initial estimates. Works nicely to cover their own overblown estimates and lays the groundwork for more federal intelectual property laws. While in reality the file trading has a negligable effect on their revenues and really they are just seeking legal controls on the medium which will maintain the high equipment costs that will keep the barriers to entry high for small movie makers. This is restraint of competition at it's simplest and most underhanded.
... "I'm at the movies" ... "Watching matrix reloaded"... "yup"... "right"... "uh huh" "do you think I can call you later?"... "oh okay" ... "yup" ... "alright" ... "I'll call you tonight, or maybe tomorrow" ... "bye" And that was the shorter of the two. Not to mention the man that seemed to have no understanding that his constant commentary might disturb those around him... We ended up moving only to suffer the constant questions of a confused 10 year old kid with his father, I can't blame the kid, but the father should have known better.
Also, if they are so concerned about the state of their art, why don't they focus on making the movie theatres enforce a modicum of civility. Last time I went to the movies (for the matrix reloaded) two people's cell phones rang and they answered them... they had conversations that went something like "hey"
A company can't charge $10 a pop for that kind of experience and then complain that they aren't getting all the money you deserve. You deserve what you get.
I really don't understand the "Wanhh, the movie industry isn't giving me exactly what I want exactly how I want it, so I'm going to steal it since they're clearly ripping me off... yet I'm doing nothing wrong" mentality.
I actually help pirate movies and games, and I think any attempt to justify my actions is ridiculous. I know what I'm doing is wrong; I'm not foolish enough to pretend it isn't.
The movie industry has the right to produce crap and distribute it however they like. They have the right to charge you $100 a ticket. And guess what... even if they did, you STILL wouldn't have any right to sneak into a theater or pirate the movie. If you think they're charging too much, or they're taking too long to get the DVD to you.. tough shit. I know it's painful to hear, but you don't have any rights when it comes to movies.. unless you've already paid your money.
It's absurd: Someone makes a product you want, but you don't need. They don't want to sell it to you at the price you would like to pay for it.. and they don't want to give it to you (in DVD form, in this case) when you want to receive it. Too damn bad. It's THEIRS.. they can do with it whatever they please. If you have a problem with it, then don't support them... but it's never justifiable to steal something you merely WANT, simply because you can't legitimately obtain it in a manner that would please you.
That being said... I pirate some stuff because I want it quickly, and half of the stuff I seriously wouldn't buy even if I couldn't pirate it.. For the most part, I just enjoy collecting things. If someone makes a product that I think should be supported, I pay for it. I do not think, however, that what I'm doing is okay. I just acknowledge that I'm not the most morally upstanding person around. Piracy supporters: Stop fooling yourselves.
I just went to the site:
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http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~halm/offline.html
It looks like the MPAA came by and shat all over the project.
Where oh where can I find install links for Bit Torrent now?
It's trying to connect to suprnova.dyndns.org, but they've changed the DNS entries to point to 127.0.0.1. Try pinging it, it'll come back fine from 127.0.0.1.
Matrix Reloaded
1. saw it in the theater
2. saw it twice or more in theater
3. theater, then Divx
4. theater, then Divx, then Matrix box set
5. there is no Divx
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I remember reading an article in the week before the Reloaded was released, that predicted that the R-rating would hurt ticket sales by a little, while also anticipating the movie to be one of the strongests box office draws of all time.
In the past those age-challened would sneak into theatres to see these R-rated films. It was almost a rite of passage. Many of today's kids are more tech-savvy and probably more likely to download a bootleged copy than sneak into the theatre. Yet I cannot recall one case where the MPAA complained about lost money due to people sneaking into theatres. Particularly those big ones with designated exit doors, where one could patiently wait outside until a patron leaves the theatre.
I'm sure the MPAA wouldn't try to crackdown on the theatres with relaxed security, because without the theatres, a lot of revenue is lost. 4 people can happily enjoy a DVD for $20 instead of seeing it in a theatre for $10 each.
Laziness is a virtue, anyone who bothers to tell you otherwise, is clearly lacking it.
Let's make sure that a /. story about BitTorrent shows up every few days on this site so none of the damn tracker sites work. They are as fragile as eggs anyway. The RIAA or MPAA or whoever must be paying .\ to do this knowing that the nerds will post in their comments a web address to "their favorite sites" and that other nerds will gangbang the damn sites. Thanks \..
The DVDs are in production now, getting all the "extra" content together, subtitling and dubbing, coding digital copies for the scene selection jumps, etc. It's a lot of work to get them ready to send to the pressing plant.
The film has to be converted to DVD file format first, because everything else depends on it, and multiple people will be using various copies of this file as they do their bit. All it takes is one low-paid studio gofer in a state of disgruntlement to slide a disk into his/her pocket and walk out the door. Burn a copy and upload it to somewhere and they have their revenge against the PHBs at the studio.
If I had the opportunity to purchase a DVD on the way out of the theatre I would. Purchases are only possible with a ticket, and before you leave the ticket check section. They would milk it. The longer time there is between theatre and dvd release, the more pirating there will be. It will also reduce their potential revenue. Idiots.
Allow me to recommend a film, Rabbit Proof Fence by Phillip Noyce. It's a movie about how the Australian government used to behave with respect to Aboriginals. Kind of like the Matrix, except it's true. And it's not stuuuuuuupid.
Don't be a sheep, see an intelligent movie.
Is it just my stretched monitor settings, but does the photo of Mr Morpheus on the BBC news site make him look a touch tubby?
This is the thing, a good movie will get good reviews, and YES people will still go see movies, until we get two storey screens in our houses. If a movie is crap however, nobody will go see it! And nobody will bother to make even a decent Telesync of it. Look on www.vcdquality.com... there are at least half a dozen rips of the matrix, and maybe one of movies like Daddy Day Care. And I bet you anyone who downloads TMR will go and see it in the theatres as well.