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Linus Torvalds about SCO, IP, MS and Transmeta
strmcrw writes " San Jose Mercury News has an interview with Linus. He talks about about SCO vs IBM and gives his opinion on Microsoft. He also shed light on his decision to leave chip maker Transmeta for a Linux corporate software consortium, the Open Source Development Lab."
But some troll probably has a copyright on that kind of messages...
But still I wait...and watch...and pounce
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or does he fail and land in an indescribable sea of poop?
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"Blessed are they that mourn the death of *BSD: for they shall be comforted with an ultradense Linux server from VA Linux, now sold by California Digital Corporation.
"Blessed are the posters of smug one-liners: for they shall inherit an Account Capped at 50.
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"Blessed are the karma whores: for they shall obtain "Score: 5, Insightful".
"Blessed are those who dismiss out-of-hand: for they shall fail to see the Point of the Original Post.
"Blessed are those who seek to associate themselves with the latest techno-fad: for they shall be called 3L33T for at least Another Half Hour.
"Blessed are they which are persecuted for their own self-righteousness' sake: for theirs is the Kingdom of "Ask Slashdot".
"Blessed are the over-eager, who believe that Open Source is a social movement heralding the rise of a new generation: for they shall not realize that There Are No Sacred Cows.
"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for the sake of your Favorite Operating System.
"Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in Heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
THIS IS THE WORD OF THE LORD
1 It will soon be illegal because of SCO and DMCA
2 GPL is anti-capitalist (use bsd instead)
3 Its hard to use (Gnome for example hide all the features that make it useable in its secret gconf database)
4 Its unstable (2.2 is the exception, but unless you apply about 1000 patches and backports its too old to be useful)
5 The software sucks (Openoffice, *puke* at the bloat)
6 The UI is inconsistent (read : gnome file dialog)
7 You have to type commands (None in windows since 95)
8 It doesn't run Windows programs (wine dosen't count)
9 You cannot buy a computer with Linux (Lindows at walmart dosen't count)
10 Linux companies are going out of bussiness (Mandrake for example)
11 RMS is a communist arsehole (note the arse)
12 High total cost of ownership
13 Too many distros
14 Un-american (American software sucks anyway)
15 Its not from microsoft (Therefore it does not have a monopoly in order to succeed)
16 Poor security track record (look at the kernel change logs)
17 Anyone and their 14 year old brother can add (buggy) code (and yes, it DOES sneak through CVS)
18 Even BeOS was better (try it and you will see te light)
19 Eugenia doesn't like it (she dosen't like anything actually)
20 It SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!! (-1, flamebait dosen't change this)
...are almost as bad as the /. editors:
"Linux creator an open source"
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Why should I care what some occasional contributor to the kernel source thinks about this. Granted I'm sure he has some insights, but there are more important people whose opinion's I'd rather hear.
C - A language that combines the speed of assembly with the ease of use of assembly.
Your use of your first post opportunity was extremely ghey. You screeeeeeeeeam lame, girlfriend! Please go and learn to WORK IT GOOD, GIRL before you waste another chance like this.
Mmmmm-hmmm!
From article:
" Do you steal a car in the bright daylight with a lot of people around? Or do you steal a car, go for a joyride at 4 am in the morning when there aren't a lot of people around."
I have visions of that scene from Groundhog day, except instead of Bill Murray and a groundhog driving it's Linus and a penguin...
graspee
SCO...copyright issues...
Can't think of a way to explain it more clearly, so they'll either get it, or mod me down with you. At least you should know that *I* laughed.
Warning: Opinions known to be heavily biased.
Hey gang, Alan Cox here again.
.002++d11, its networking scheme blasts Linux's out of the toilet.
I wanted to let everyone know that I am discontinuing my work on the Linux TCP/IP stack. After admitting to myself that it sux, I felt I was disservicing the community with my niggardly code.
I recommend using FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, or even Darwin, which now compiles and runs under x86. The BSD family of OSes all have much better TCP/IP performance than Linux. Solaris is offered by Sun for cost of media for non-commercial uses, as is SCO's OpenServer and Compaq's Tru64 UNIX (formerly Digital Unix, descended from OSF). I'm not sure if these other Unices (Unixes? Unixen?) have better networking performance than Linux, but it'd be hard to imagine that they don't, e.g., I had nothing to do with creating them.
As much as it pains me to say this, Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 are great network OSes, with a built-in GUI no less. And as bad as the GUI is in WinXP and Win2003, it's a Hell of a lot better than the crusty, poorly-written crap like GNOME and KDE and the window managers avaiable for them.
In fact, I think even the HURD is a better solution than Linux at this point. Even though it's only released at version
I have to go now, as heavy as my heart is, as it's time for my monthly bath. I hope no one is uber-upset by this news; they shouldn't be, as this is a step forward for Linux. Perhaps without my substandard, slavish attempts at being L33T and defecating code, the kernel and its networking performance will benefit from a real programmer and not a DGH (Dirty GNU Hippy) like me.
Thank you.
I thought that he was mostly famous for saying 'whatever' and then just doing things his own way?
Perhaps they are confusing him with RMS.
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It's interesting how the interviewers always seem to go into the same thread of what makes Linux great. Given the history one would never have expected it to do as well as it has; like chopsticks, which were actually invented by immigrant restaurant owners in America's mining communities in the 1800s, Linux has picked up a myth of its own that actually covers the more interesting fact that it was simply a hobby with momentum. It's a bit wierd to think that such a thing has evolved to contend with and possibly displace software actually engineered for the enterprise.
Can't wait for 2.6.
Try not. Do or do not, there is no try.
-- Dr. Spock, stardate 2822-3.
Posted on Fri, Jul. 04, 2003
Linux creator an open source
Torvalds on SCO suit, Microsoft and his exit from Transmeta
Linus Torvalds is the creator of the Linux operating system, the open source version of Unix that is sweeping through the software world in a direct challenge to Microsoft. He is a technical leader and an outspoken advocate of open source development, which allows software users to develop and modify their own versions of software for free. He spoke candidly with Mercury News staff writer Dean Takahashi about the lawsuit from SCO Group versus IBM (where Big Blue is accused of illegally putting Unix code into Linux), on Microsoft and open source development. He also shed light on his decision to leave chip maker Transmeta for a Linux corporate software consortium, the Open Source Development Lab. Here is an edited transcript:
Q: The SCO Group has sued IBM for illegally contributing Unix code to Linux. Do you believe this episode reveals any vulnerabilities in the open source movement?
A: Not really. Open source software is very visible. That means it's very easy to see if there is something wrong. I think that is a good thing. I think the whole point is that, with the kind of transparency you get with open source, people are a lot less likely to ever have intellectual property issues. I compare it to stealing a car. Do you steal a car in the bright daylight with a lot of people around? Or do you steal a car, go for a joyride at 4 am in the morning when there aren't a lot of people around. With open source, there is a lot of daylight. A lot of people looking at the code. You don't really go around and steal things.
Q: There was some mention of the origins of Linux being murky.
A: There has been a lot of rumor. It's more of an allegation. It's complete crap. Quite the reverse. If you look at murky, it's SCO's allegations that are murky. With Linux code, you can see how it's been developed. You can see who applied patches. You can see when they got applied. It's all in the open.
Q: They were referring to the original creation of Linux.
A: No, it's not an issue. Some of the history might be slightly hard to find, but compared to other projects, it's a lot better documented than any proprietary operating system ever. Most of the stuff that has been on public mailing lists is archived.
Q: How about the history of Unix itself. Is it hard to follow?
A: There was a lawsuit between AT&T and Berkeley. AT&T sued UC Berkeley for copyright infringement because the Berkeley version of Unix was made available openly with the Berkeley license. It took a few years but it was shown that it wasn't Berkeley that stole code from AT&T but it was AT&T that stole code from Berkeley, removed Berkeley copyrights, and they ended up settling out of court. So there is no judge that has said so officially but it was believed that Berkeley had done nothing wrong. This is the same code at issue. In that case, there was a clear genetic continuation. Now SCO is trying to use the same code that already failed a test once and to apply it to something where there isn't the same genetic continuation.
Q: For our readers who don't know the origins of Linux, can you talk about how it was written given the existence of Unix?
A: The origin was all written by me. For the first six months or so I was the only person working on Linux. It took almost a year before there was a major contribution from people outside. It's all original code since day one.
Q: The SCO Group has said that you haven't had the highest respect for intellectual property rights. How do you react to that?
A: That's very normal that you always try to twist the truth in lawsuits. The only part that has been irritating is they make it personal. They are showing my e-mails to the Linux community to the press. They called my approach cavalier because I made a joke in an e-mail. OK. Tough. If they can't take a joke, that's their problem. I think it backfired.
Linos Turvaldas is ghey! He likes it up the butt from Ritchurd Stahllmahn!
I enjoyed that IBM started porting Linux to the S390, found that hugely amusing. I thought, OK, somebody has done a few too many drugs.
Alright that made me laugh out loud. And confirmed the fact to the wife that I'm a geek because it did.
Damn you Torvalds...
Linus: M$ is teh suck, SCO is teh suck.
Recently, I've been thinking a lot about where Linux development should head after 2.6 is out. Specifically, I've been thinking about how we ought to make some cultural changes as well as technical changes. Now I'm not entirely sure what directions we should head in as we move towards 3.0, but I'd like to point out a few areas that need to be addressed as well as propose some possible solutions. Nothing is set in stone yet, but these are definitely issues we need to work on.
First off, I don't like a lot of the elitism that does on among Linux hackers. Just because you can tell what the following script does without executing it, doesn't mean that you're some kind of god.
Learning to hack Un*x is an impressive accomplishment, but it's closer kin to solving a Rubik's cube than scaling Everest. If you think using Un*x makes you some kind of super genius who should be feared by mere mortals and end users, either get over it or start using *BSD. *BSD users (and developers) are all complete jackasses, so you'll fit right in.
Secondly, I'd like to address the issue of cleanliness. Quite frankly, the standards of personal hygiene practiced by many members of this community are simply unacceptable. As you all know, I am a fairly clean cut, well-kempt person (I know, I have a bit of a gut, but compared to Maddog, Nick Petreley or ESR, I'm a modern Adonis.), and in the Linux community that is something of an anomaly. Virtually all users of Linux (and all other forms of Un*x) are unkempt, longhaired, beast-bearded dirty GNU hippies, and I am sick and tired of having to deal with them.
The person I have the greatest problem with is that (in)famous communist RMS. Now, RMS may have been responsible for GNU, the GPL, GCC and many other contributions to the computing community, but his stance, as well as stench, displayed in his essays and actions, nauseates me. I mean, with that filth-ridden beard of his, where does he have room to demand that people refer to Linux as GNU/Linux? When he is as clean-shaven as I, he may claim that right, but until then, he should go back to playing his little flute and dropping acid like there's no tomorrow. Honestly, if he doesn't shut his mouth and go back to reading Marx, I'm going to shut it for him. I am sorry to sound so harsh, but a little hygiene every once in a while is a Good Thing(TM). Makes me wish I'd gone with a closed source license back in the day.
Next in line of dirty scuzz-balls I have to deal with, and probably the worst thorn in my side, is Alan Cox, the primary coder of my kernel's TCP/IP stack (ha, what a joke!) and all around dirty GNU hippy. Alan views toothpaste the same way a vampire views garlic. The man's wife (who I spent a few years with at the University of Helsinki) often calls me crying in the middle of the night to complain of the rank, unbearable stench the man exudes after sex. On several occasions at trade shows, exhibitions and beer bashes, I have nearly fainted from the torrent of rotten odor that pours from every inch of his toxic person. Along with the typical GNU hygiene (mis)habits he practices, he also bitches and whines about... well, everything. He lies a lot too; evidence for this can be seen in the fact he almost always wears cheap black sunglasses when talking to people he knows are better than him (such as myself).
And then we come to ESR. I won't reiterate the sewer-dweller like cleansing habits he practices as well, but I would like to focus on his general lifestyle. I like to refer to ESR as AGB or "Arrogant Gas Baron." The man's flatulence is legendary. I honestly believe that given a meal of refried beans and a match, he could reach low earth orbit. If you have to meet with ESR for any reason, arrange for the meeting to be outdoors and try to stay upwind. And his flatulenc
Now when do we see a Transmeta chip that can run both Unix and Windows programs? Seems to me like a waste of the RISC architecture of Transmeta if it only runs Windows/Linux.
I See You Have Been Modded Down, it must have been because you used the word "niggardly". It is a perfectly legitimate word, and I'll be damned if those niggabyte moderators ruin it for us all!
penguins can't drive... and neither can linus...
Linus Torvalds is the creator of the Linux operating system, the open source version of Unix that is sweeping through the software world in a direct challenge to Microsoft.
[Emphasis mine]
From Rob's own http://cmdrtaco.net/
What? You haven't heard of Linux? It's an operating system created by Linus Torvalds, and a band of hacks scattered accross the globe.
[Emphasis mine]
Sorry GNU/FSF/RMS. You're like Rodney Dangerfield; you never get respect...
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- He sounds a bit stressed out. Maybe it's the new job + trying to get 2.6 out the door + SCO and possible depositions + the usual stuff he has to deal with. Or I'm imagining things.
- It's funny how many evolution/ecosystem type metaphors he made - maybe he's been reading the complete works of S. J. Gould or something
> San Jose Mercury News has an interview with
> Linus
Alright, always wanted to know what happened to that round headed kid and his delusional dog! Why didn't Schroeder ever make it as a concert pianist - was it drugs, or did the parental pressure finally get to him? And that little red headed girl - is she working in the "male entertainment" industry somewhere?
And don't get me started on that bossy Lucy...
I don't suppose the questionaire guy likes linux or dislikes microsoft by any chance? "do you think this controlled chaos works against a company like Microsoft?" "That's what Bill Gates is." [A shark] "If you look at how Microsoft is now struggling to deal with Linux, what do you think?" "You want to concentrate on going after one monopoly at a time?" "Do you feel like a religious leader? Or what kind of leader do you see yourself as?" "Any irony that you might be deposed by (SCO counsel) David Boies, who led the case against Micosoft?" [Thanks to slashdot for telling me all about what irony is and isn't.]
If you thought that pathetic excuse of a "joke" was worth laughing at, then, well, feh, I don't know what to say. "Try to get out a bit more" is the best I can do. Hope this helps.
Hey, RMS, what the fuck is up? I'm glad I got the opportunity to perform this interview with you. [coughs]
Hello. I'm glad I got the opportunity to speak to another individual, interested in Free Software, that will eventually reach millions with the message I wish to express in this interview.
Yeah, whatever. Let's get this over with. Firstly, let's talk about the origins of GNU. We all know it's Not UNIX. But where, exactly, did it come from? What was your prime inspiration for such a fine, grand, practical idea?
I'm glad you asked that.
I'm not.
Ah [laughs]. You have a unique sense of humor, comrade!
I know. And don't call me comrade. Or your friend, ally, brother, homey... I don't even like you. Now answer the question.
Ah, [laughs] yes. GNU. Well, after reading the works of Marx and Lenin, and having attended MIT and created several programs (GCC among them, of course) to which the source code was freely (as in speech, and beer) available, I began to see a certain communal effort begin to take shape among the software developers in the labs where I worked. However, the "administration" at MIT improperly thought that, since my works were created at MIT, they, and their source, belonged to MIT. This was in conflict with my embryonic philosphy--
Hey, could you just cut your ideological bullshit and get to the part where you were taking a dump and farted out the GNU / Free Software concept as we know it today?
Ah, I don't think I know what you're referring to. And I certainly don't remember any toilet episodes being involved with the creation of GNU or Free Software.
Oh really? It's hard for me to imagine a toilet not having been involved in the creation of Free Software. No, I'm talking about how one day you were sitting in a stall at MIT's grand restroom facilities, peeped thru the glory hole bored in the stall wall to look for customers, and saw a man's ass tatooed with a bull or yak or something?
WHAT!?
Okay, okay, okay. Let's move on. How about your musical talents? From graphics posted at your homepage, it looks like you're fairly proficient on the flute. How's you obtain that talent?
That's rather simple: just a lot of practice and determination. The instruments you've seen me playing on my website are plan-pipes, actually, and not flutes. I began taking lessons from my father while him and I were still talking. I can play the flute, however, and--
Skin-flute.
Excuse me?
You heard me. Skin-flute. You play the skin-flute. That's why you're so good on those porn-pipes or whatever the Hell you called them. You are a skin-flute virtuoso and can play them like nobody's business. "Master skin-flutist RMS." Skin-flute.
Ah, I think this interview's getting a little off-track from its focus of Free Software and the GNU philosphy.
Of course it is. And why the fuck do you begin every sentence with "ah?" Anyway, I'll indulge you. New question. What's all this I hear about you dropping acid like there's not tomorrow?
Hey, look, I'm willing to spend my time discussing and even debating about the GNU concept and Free Software. I'm a very busy man--
No you're not.
I'm a very busy man and I simply cannot tolerate spending my valuable time digressing onto useless topics, much less helping you slander my good name--
Shut up.
I believe we're talking at cross-purposes here and I wish to terminate this interview now.
I believe your style is cross-dressing and I wish to inform you've been trolled. Do you know what a DGH is?
What? Excuse me? I said I wanted to stop this interview now!
A "DGH" is a Dirty GNU Hippy. You're a DGH. You're a pinko Commy too. Learn to bath, shave, and wipe your ass properly, and we in the Ministry of Love will welcome you with open arms. Good day, Corporal Crapola of the GNU Commando!
Is it me or is Linus kinda BORING? I really wish he would rant and rave a little more, like RMS, that kinda thing really gets the blood moving you know?
The whole "aww shucks, whatever works" angle is putting me to sleep.
C'mon Linus, change the license on the kernel to the MS EULA and rename it LT/Linux and let's get this party started!
Linus summed it up beautifully.
Linux keeps evolving, and diversifying, SCO is ultimately irrelevant. Heres a follow up from IDG http://www.idg.se/ArticlePages/idgnet.asp?id=4636
The one good thing that might come out of this, is there finally enough anger to get some changes in our idiotic patent and copyright systems.
"Given the history one would never have expected it to do as well as it has; like chopsticks, which were actually invented by immigrant restaurant owners in America's mining communities in the 1800s..."
I feel sure that chopstcks were used long before the 1800's
T&K.
Political language
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Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
I agree with Linus that Linux will be damaged if the case is not resolved soon. It already has with assholes like McBride suing everyone who mentions the word Linux.
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Linus Torvalds is not circumcised. This is TOTALLY gross. We need to start a fund to help pay for his circumcision. If we have any funds left over we can have Alan "uncircumcised" cox snipped too.
I can't imagine how a woman could even marry Linus, with his GROSS uncircumcised penis. I bet they don't have sex, and his wife is probably grossed out by his skanky aardvark cock. So lets start a paypal account and maybe Stallman could be linus' mohel.
Thank very much for listening to this important messege.
RMS, is that you?
And confirmed the fact to the wife that I'm a geek
;)
Wife, heh. Next you'll be telling us you've had sex with said wife and have kids.
The coolest voice ever.
Oops, a thousand apologies. I didn't realize that you were logged in as "TrekkieGod". Now it all makes sense.
Set phazers to "nerd 10,000".
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RMS used to live on the 7th floor of LCS. That's where he used to have his office before he resigned in protest over the commercialization of something or another. But they let him keep his office, and he lives there, because he refuses to have an apartment. (Given the rent rates in Cambridge, the assholeness of most landlords, I don't blame him. Rather than live in my office, I chose to move to Texas, and the change in rent rates and lack of state income tax resulted in an immediate %25 pay raise. RMS doesn't have that option because we have the death penalty for people like him down here.)
Anyway, RMS has or had a number or geek chick groupies. I wouldn't call any of the ones I've seen "hot", really -- well except for this one little psycho jewish undergrad from NYC. He would sleep with them on the sofa in his office. That's why he got kicked out off floor 7, and down to the 3 floor, is that the cleaning staff complained about pulling used condoms out from behind the sofas. No joke. You can use this information for trolling if you wish, but it's all true.
RMS has a phobia of water that prevents him from showering. This is part of this post I know from first hand experience, because I myself have observed him taking a sponge bath in the 3d floor mens room in LCS. Apparently once he had a girlfriend who he was totally in love with, and she convinced him to take one shower a week. It was a traumatic experience for him each time.
RMS also has a phobia of spider plants. When RMS starts bothering a grad student and going to his office and talking to him constantly and getting him to spend all his time writing free software, the grad student will complain to someone on the floor, and they'll let them in on the secrete -- get a spider plant in your office. The next time RMS drops by, his eyes will bulge a little and he'll say " Umm. . . I wanted to talk to you about hacking some elisp code . . . why don't you stop by my office sometime ?" and make a hasty exit.
One of his more nasty habits is picking huge flakes of dandruff out of his hair while talking to you. At least he doesn't eat them, like some people I know.
Now, I know everyone loves to make fun of RMS, and I'm feeding that a bit here, so I'd just like to say that I think he really is a genius, on the order of Socrates (another filthy slob who couldn't keep a normal living arrangement, and lived in a barrel) or Ghandi or Ezekiel. Everything he has ever said to me, while sounding naive and idealistic and stupid at the time, turned out to later be correct.
The only thing I fear in his philosophy is his interest in reducing population growth. Everyone else I know of who was obsessed with that "problem" turned out to have facist or totolitarian tendencies, and I think that the problem will solve itself as more and more of the world moves into a middle class type existence.
But on everything else, bitter experiences have taught me he is right. I will not use any non-GPLd or lGPLd software, and I look forward to being able to buy only "open" hardware. I would like to see software patents completely eliminated, and with the development of digitial communication, I see no reason why shouldn't simply repeal all of Title 17 and do away with all copyrights. They just aren't needed. I expect to spend much of my life being paid to write software, and I just don't see copyrights has helping me in anyway.
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Direct quote from the article:
"I think they are struggling to deal with Linux partly because Linux is undermining them the same way they undercut their competition."
I guess the old goose-gander thing should apply.
"Q: You moved from Finland. How do you like living in Silicon Valley.
A: Some parts I love. I have a convertible. I will never ever move to a place where I can't drive a convertible."
Amen brother...
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waste those mod points people! the more you mod me down, the more crap I post
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I don't know anything about the Nobel Peace Prize, but it seems like a good award the world community could bestow upon Mr Torvalds for gracing us with his forsight.
Why read the article when I can just make up a snap judgement?
I've got a Transmeta-based tablet Pc here running Linux...
Current Transmeta CPUs run an emulated x86 instruction set, so you can run your favourite distro as long as it supports the surrounding hardware...
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Burnin down teh house!
They stole my car from a crowded, busy parking lot in the middle of business from a well guarded mall.
Q: Do you like anal sex from other kernel developers?
A: No! I am straight, I prefer getting shitted over by my wife ala tubgirl!
Hah. Very nice.
The origin was all written by me. For the first six months or so I was the only person working on Linux. It took almost a year before there was a major contribution from people outside. It's all original code since day one.
Better hope RMS isn't reading this article, or he'll be PISSED.
"Quoting famous computer scientists out of context is the root of all evil (or at least most of it) in programming." - K
Oh...you're serious...
In that case...::clears throat::
How dare you judge someone based on their preference of a tv show? Why can I say that I'm a fan of the Simpsons without anyone drawing any conclusions, but the moment I mention I'm a fan of star trek I'm accused of not quite being able to differentiate fantasy and reality? Why am I accused of being a nerd because I watch a show with technobabble? But all of this is insignificant next to your biggest mistake. HOW DARE YOU SPELL "PHASERS" WITH A 'Z'?????
Furthermore, there's no "nerd" setting on a phaser. A type II phaser has 16 settings, which range from stun to high levels of heat which can actually vaporize human beings. It has not been shown in any of the star trek episodes of any series that nerds suffer the effects of any phaser setting differently.
Now...::takes a deep breath::...let me give you an advice. If you can't handle the nerdiness, don't browse "news for nerds"
Warning: Opinions known to be heavily biased.
What are you, a freshman Electrical Engineering student who just fails to mingle with the others? Only you, a complete turd burglar, goes by an IC model number.
Looking at the questions in mind, it's fairly obvious that they were set up - ie. that the journalist in question was asking for specific answers (ie. had done his homework properly), but Linus was far too prepared to answer briefly, obviously giving the journalist a reply he'd understand, but not making for good reading.
My wife - who has a fairly good understanding of how open projects work (and has coded both programming languages and html), but is by no means a linux geek - only just understood what Linus was saying, and she's both fairly knowledgable and extremely insightful.
This paragraph, for instance, has so many dependancies (:p) - it requires the user to understand coding, *open source* coding, and have a fairly good understanding of the ethos of.. well, several things. Most readers will *not* be reading with these understandings - if anything, they'll read in *order* to glean these kinds of understandings of something they'll only barely have heard of.
I don't think it's entirely because Linus doesn't speak english natively, either, to fend off potential criticism: I speak three languages, and I know *plenty* of efl (english as a foreign language) speakers who speak english which isn't as good as Linus's (which is excellent) who can explain technical issues with more clarity
In summary.. this is yet another of the problems facing popular adoption of a niche's product. ;)
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Look: About 4 other people have already pointed the "great chopsticks anomaly" out before me - the vagiaries of my browser refresh made it look like I had a clear run. Also, as one poster has pointed out, the OP probably meant the chow mein was a sino-western development in the 1800's, which is not at all contorversial.
At the moment, I'm "+5 Interesting", which is just wrong (in a moral sense).
T&K.
Political language
This could all just go away if SCO said, "We think lines xx - xxx of the Linux kernel violate our contracts/licenses/copyrights." Then it would be easy. The Linux community looks at the code and traces it back to who put it there. The problem is solved (as far as Linux goes) once the code is removed and SCO has their "violator" if there even is one.
As I've said before. SCO isn't in this to do the right thing. SCO wants money and power.
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If any patents could be issued on any part of Minix (not possible anymore, I believe, because it has already been published), then this would mean bad times for Linux under the proposed new EU patent legislation.
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Convertibles and scarfs dont mix!
Someone already died this way!
The Nobel Prize in kickboxing!
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
Then again the catholic religion suggested that the earth only existed for 6,000 years
If you check the facts, you'll find it was Bishop Ulster of Armagh, England. That means he was Protestant, probably Anglican. Not Catholic.
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
No, not sunscreen :) Is Linus Torvalds a Single Point of Failure?
:)
This may be a repeat question (because I intermittently keep up with the Linus issues). However, I considered what would happen if Linus was to... dare I say it... have an accident. I'm not accusing any large software companies of planning anything - for all I know it could be a bus, or a shark.
However, what could be the likely consequences? Would the Linux community become fragmented and collapse? Does Linus have a nominated replacement?
You could ask yourself the same question if Bill Gates disappeared. I'm thinking about the impact of leaders in the past such as Ghengis Khan or Alexander the Great.
Just some ramblings
AC
> I will never ever move to a place where I can't drive a convertible.
Interesting. The country I most closely associate with convertibles is . . . the United Kingdom, which is not known for warm weather. If the weather is too warm, you have to keep the top up so the AC will work; if it's too cold, you keep the top up because of wind chill.
FWIW, I live in Oregon, more than a little to the north of where Linus lives (& very close to the UK in terms of climate). And where -- according to the grapevine -- he has clearly stated he will never live. Although I have driven in a convertible with the top down every month of the year.
Geoff
I think I see a trend here. Maybe for them it really would be easier to muzzle the entire internet than to produce p
About Silicion Valley, Linus says: Genetically maybe not very homogenous
What exactly does that mean?
In those days, Richard Stallman appeared in the wilderness, proclaiming, "Repent, for the kingdom of free software has come near." This is the one of whom the prophet spoke when he said, "The voice of one crying out in the wilderness: prepare the way of Linus, make his paths straight". Now Stallman wore clothing consisting of worn-out jeans and a T-shirt with a leather belt around his waist, and his food was pizza and Jolt. Then the people of Berkeley and all of Silicon Valley were going out to him, and all of the region along the Bay, and they were baptized by him in the swimming pool, confessing their sins.
But when he saw many Microsofties and Appleites coming for baptism, he said to them, "You spawn of Satan! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bear fruit worthy of repentence. Do not presume to say to yourselves, "We have Altair as our ancestor"; for I tell you, The Computer God is able from these circuit boards to raise up children to Altair. Even now the ax is lying at the root of the btrees; every btree that does not bear fruit is cut down and thrown into a fire."
"I baptize you with water for repentence, but one who is more powerful than I is coming after me; I am not worthy to carry his sneakers. He will baptize you with The Kernel and an email. His code fork is in his hand, and he will clear the threshing floor and gather the software into distros; but the vaporware he will burn with unquenchable fire."
Always look on the briight side of life! (whistle, whistle)
and an idiot aswell!
The interview clearly shows that the issue between SCO and IBM has nothing to do with Linux in general.
The trivial bits of code which SCO probably added themselves during the Caldera era does not currently affect Linux or it's distributions.
If SCO miraculously wins an injunction against distributions with the copyrighted code, it will be easily rectified.
Furthermore, if it is proven that Caldera actually introduced the disputed code, which can be verified by looking at past distributions, they should have their pants sued of them.
I think GNU did themselves a disservice back in the late 80s/early 90s by not getting HURD written sooner.
If that had happened then they could have named it whatever RMS wanted. Instead Linus cobbled together Linux, GPL'd the source, and pretty much stole the show as far as naming the operating system.
Yet, much of the success of GNU is the freedom to distribute it WITHOUT permission of RMS (just as long as you provide the source code...). Of course, you can do this with non-GPL code too (*BSD, perl, python) but RMS hacked the copyright system first.
So the real success story is that GNU's bash can be used with Linux, Windows (under Cygnus), or with Mac OS X. RMS might have lost the battle (over GNU/Linux), but he certainly won the war (bash is just one successful example).
My father is a blogger.
I like the comment about visibility, it's true. Software developers commonly take their software from job to job. Who is going to notice if you plug in a wad of code that you wrote and brought from your previous company. After all you wrote it once, you can write it again. Since no one ever sees the source, this sort of thing happens all the time. Linux is different, it's developed in the open inside a glass house. If a developer dumps in code that they stole from work, some one might notice, and it will be fairly easy to track who did it. I'll bet that most major software companies couldn't stand that sort of scrutiny.
The difference between Canada and the USA is that in Canada healthcare is a right and gun ownership is a privilege.
Notepad is Windows and Windows is Notepad.
Notepad/Windows XP (at least that's what I call it).
I am so sick of hearing about SCO.
They HAVE filed a lawsuit, yes?
When will there be an actual legal development, meaning what is the next noteworthy date in the legal proceedings of this case? (Hearing, trial, etc.)
He means Silicon Valley is densely populated by WHITEY.
+1 insightful.
You can find an expanded version of the article here:
link
That's all. It's a question that I've never thought of, and I'd like to see the answer. How old is Linus, BTW?
Political language
And it's pretty obvious that they never RTFAs either.
Python had much of the same problem. Guido van Rossum is so much the center of the Python universe that he and his core developers spent a bit of effort getting the "truck number" above a certain point.
But I don't think it's a problem with Linux. See there's nothing preventing anyone from forking Linux and making a version without Linus' input. It's just that most people support his decisions because it's his project and he's involved.
If he gets hit by a truck, it will certainly shake up core Linux development, but either (a) someone will emerge as a unifying leader or (b) Linux development will wanter off into a thousand different directions: some will die off, some will thrive.
But that being said, let's hope Linus has a long happy life and eventually wins the Vannevar Bush Medal.
My father is a blogger.
Q: Microsoft took out a license from SCO. Do you think that was necessary and that the timing seemed strange?
A: It's not exactly clear what they licensed.
Microsoft's been quite honest about what they licensed from SCO. Significant portions of Interix (the Unix subsystem for Windows) are direct ports of SCO's IP (the stuff SCO actually owns, not just what they say they own).
They weren't funding SCO's lawsuit, but it was a PR play. Now Microsoft can point to all of SCO's chest-puffery and say that they're compliant with SCO's licenses and that if you pick the Microsoft solution, you're safe from all of that liability.
NO CARRIER
At least Duc Tho had the decency to decline the price.
If Kissinger can get it why not Linus Torvalds?
Help fight continental drift.
Linus himself says that there are many branches of the Kernel.
Indeed many branches break off and the developers go back to what Linus is doing, while others don't.
If Linus was to dissappear, there would be thousands willing to take his place. But millions would be arguing who the "ONE" should be...thank God we have Linus!
"Linus Torvalds is the creator of the Linux operating system..."
More misunderstanding. I know it's preaching to the choir, but Linux is just the kernel, and the GNU project deserves just as much representation as does Linus Torvalds for it's creation of low level tools such as GCC. Linus is hardly the sole creator of the base system, although he did write the kernel as I'm sure you know.
"...the open source version of Unix..."
Linux is not a version of Unix. GNU/Linux is a derivative clone of UNIX. The system was initially chosen by the GNU project to be a clone of UNIX because it was the most portable OS at the time. I don't know how closely the Linux kernel compares to UNIX kernels and such, but GNU/Linux is definitly UNIX-like as a result of initial planning by the Free Software Foundation. Furthermore, if Linux was a version of UNIX (all of which must be licensed) wouldn't this whole interview (at least the SCO parts) be pointless since SCO licenses UNIX? Saying it's a version implys that it uses UNIX code, which is what brought us to all this madness in the first instance. Honestly, do these reports even know what they're saying, or do they just run off scripts?
"He is a technical leader and an outspoken advocate of open source development, which allows software users to develop and modify their own versions of software for free."
Notice how they use the term "for free" rather than something like "freely modify". Just a subtle point which I felt was worthy of pointing out. Also, notice the commonly used over-patronage of Linus. I think the media does this, unconciously, to effectivley set the boundaries of acceptable discourse on the amazing social phenomenon that is the movement commonly refered to as the "Open Source Movement," which sets unprecidented examples for healthy human society and interaction in comparison to the failed systems of the past. One can't even begin to draw parallels simply because of this sort-of systematic patronage of one man, and overlooking of an entire movement.
For our readers who don't know the origins of Linux, can you talk about how it was written given the existence of Unix?
A: The origin was all written by me. For the first six months or so I was the only person working on Linux. It took almost a year before there was a major contribution from people outside. It's all original code since day one.
Linus: "I am at the center...
You get a lot of folks bashing on RMS because he politely asks people to at least acknowledge the work of the Free Software Foundation by calling the system GNU/Linux, but here you have Torvalds claiming entire responisibility of the OS, granted in response to a question about SCO's involvement in the origins of the OS, but nonetheless claiming total responsibility. So how can we conclude that RMS is cocky when we have this kind of total disregard for everyone else involved in the development of the system.
Until we stop using terms like Linux meaning the whole OS and Intellectual Property as being every legal issue under the sun, we simply can't even begin to have a logical discussion about the issues at hand, and will only further confuse those who may casually read about these subjects in the news.
After reading this article I really thought about a lot of things, and came to the conclusion that the term "Open Source" is really pointless and should be avoided. If you think about it, all source is open. Propreitary code is open to the developers who work on it. It's just maintained in a system of checks, balances, non-disclosure agreements, and "need to know" prediciments. What you're really talking about when you discuss "open-source" is exactly how open it is, and who exactly it's open to. That's why I think it's better to use the term free when discussing these matters, as it's a more liberating term without the boundaries that "open" source can have. Sure it's "open", but who exactly is it open to? If something's free, it's just free; Their are no heirarchiel limitations.
ChopSuey, which isn't Chinese and hasn't been around for 1000 years.
Step 1: Open hailing frequencies...
Wassup with the "I hate genetic diversity" comment?
You're missing the point. It's annoying to have to constantly remember to refer to "GNU/Linux" because fanatics jump on you for not "giving respect" and for "spreading this lie." It's bizarre and extremist, as if I'm not giving credit or appreciation in my mind for GNU.
Linux is running all my drivers, talking to all my hardware, managing my memory and my processes. It is controlling my computer as an operational system. You can take GNU out of the equation with a bit of work and Linux will still go at it.
I choose to use Linux. It just so happens GNU tools are included on the distros I use, but I'm not choosing to use Linux for those GNU tools, I'm choosing to use it for the kernel, its hardware support, and so forth. If all of GNU was replaced, I'd still be using that Linux kernel. That's the difference, my motivation for using it.
I use Office and Dev-Cpp almost exclusively on Windows, but I don't say Office/Bloodshed/Windows, because I'm choosing to use Windows, and I just happen to have to use those apps all the time under Windows to get anything done.
You guys are like religious fundies, I swear. Loosen up. I can already hear your responses now.
"Sufferin' succotash."
In this case, the childish thing to do is
to claim credit for the whole operating system
and disegard the giants that came before you.
I am afraid it is not childish to claim credit
that you earned. It is, however, childish
to claim the whole thing as your own.
We can live without Linux, but it is not worth
living without GNU and the spirit of Free Software!
http://www.eetimes.com/sys/news/OEG20030703S0026 Did the People ask to see the code?If they didnt will they have to sign NDA?Interesting things keep coming up.If it is just between IBM and SCO why do they even need to concern themselves with CELF?
I suppose I could just go look it up, but did Linus really start working for Transmeta six years ago? I wasn't reading Slashdot six years ago, but I remember Slashdot talking about his move there. It doesn't seem like that long ago...
Of course, the fact that 'six years ago' sounds to me like the Dawn of Time says something about the rate of change in this industry...
OK, to avoid replying to my own post: the author of _Just For Fun_ says that he began working at Transmeta in February of 1997. And I suppose he would know...
More misunderstanding. I know it's preaching to the choir, but Linux is just the kernel, and the GNU project deserves just as much representation as does Linus Torvalds for it's creation of low level tools such as GCC. Linus is hardly the sole creator of the base system, although he did write the kernel as I'm sure you know.
You could still use Linux without GNU tools. Linux is the kernel that is controlling my freaking laptop. It is operating my computer into a usable state. I can replace bash, GCC, and all the rest if I wanted.
Linux is not a version of Unix. GNU/Linux is a derivative clone of UNIX.
Ah, a "GNU/Linux" weenie.
He said "open source version," which is another way of saying it's the open source counterpart, clone, whatever. Version wasn't meant to be so literal.
The system was initially chosen by the GNU project to be a clone of UNIX because it was the most portable OS at the time. I don't know how closely the Linux kernel compares to UNIX kernels and such, but GNU/Linux is definitly UNIX-like as a result of initial planning by the Free Software Foundation. Furthermore, if Linux was a version of UNIX (all of which must be licensed) wouldn't this whole interview (at least the SCO parts) be pointless since SCO licenses UNIX? Saying it's a version implys that it uses UNIX code, which is what brought us to all this madness in the first instance. Honestly, do these reports even know what they're saying, or do they just run off scripts?
You posted an entire insane diatribe over the non-literal use of the word "version." Go see Terminator 3 and relax a bit.
Notice how they use the term "for free" rather than something like "freely modify". Just a subtle point which I felt was worthy of pointing out. Also, notice the commonly used over-patronage of Linus. I think the media does this, unconciously, to effectivley set the boundaries of acceptable discourse on the amazing social phenomenon that is the movement commonly refered to as the "Open Source Movement," which sets unprecidented examples for healthy human society and interaction in comparison to the failed systems of the past. One can't even begin to draw parallels simply because of this sort-of systematic patronage of one man, and overlooking of an entire movement.
Maybe they just liked the idea of free stuff.
You get a lot of folks bashing on RMS because he politely asks people to at least acknowledge the work of the Free Software Foundation by calling the system GNU/Linux, but here you have Torvalds claiming entire responisibility of the OS, granted in response to a question about SCO's involvement in the origins of the OS, but nonetheless claiming total responsibility.
He claimed responsibility...for LINUX! You injected "OS" and went off on another GNU rant. The two letters "OS" were not even uttered. He did not claim total responsibility for "everything."
So how can we conclude that RMS is cocky when we have this kind of total disregard for everyone else involved in the development of the system.
Because RMS didn't have anything to do with the original code of Linux, and it WAS all Linux those first six months. What is your friggin' point? Next.
Until we stop using terms like Linux meaning the whole OS and Intellectual Property as being every legal issue under the sun, we simply can't even begin to have a logical discussion about the issues at hand, and will only further confuse those who may casually read about these subjects in the news.
You are so clearly biased.
Linux is my operating system. I'm not afraid to say it. It is the software that is managing all the of the hardware in my computer, providing drivers, making sure memory is taken care of, managing all of my processes...GNU tools are in there along with a bunch of other things. I could replace all the GNU tools with other software and still use Linux. Linux is operating my system, whether or not G
"Sufferin' succotash."
Linus wouldn't fuck things nearly as bad as Carter.
This whole lawsuit is just a waste of time anyways. Any day now we'll all be using HURD, right?
"Q: There was some mention of the origins of Linux being murky."
A: There has been a lot of rumor. It's more of an allegation. It's complete crap."
Don't you just love it when Linus dispells all those rumors???
GO LINUS!!
SCO isn't trying to get a buyout from IBM. Could MS have paid for their SCO licenses by buying options on the company. They may be letting SCO raise the ruckus over the SCO IP contributed to Linux through IBM, then swoop in when the stocks are as high as they'll get, purchasing a majority of SCO with M$ cheap options; thereby making a few hundred million and the AT&T Unix source.
MS Unix 2005 Anyone? Using a windows like interface but a Posix client too. Unix services emulated above the microkernel?
What do you think?
LInux. Li-l-li-li-li-li-li-li li nux.
SCO's a freakin' freak but I ain't got time to care
I've got Linux. Li li linux, yeah.
Etc. Etc.
Like what I said? You might like my music
GNOME is part of GNU, it is not an outside project.
When we say GNU, gnome is already included, and
we cannot imply that GNOME is some other contributor.
GNU has contributed a lot of things, including GNOME.
As for as I know, the few lines of code through which
Caldera/SCO claimed that they were injured
has been traced to FreeBSD ! Which strongly
implies the it was *SCO* who stole the code from
Free Software. (After all, what did you
expect from these esteemed excecutives?)
The temperature has been consistently between 20 and 25 C here in southern Finland this week... with some decidedly convertible-incompatible showers, though. The few convertibles that are there are out in the traffic, trying to make the best of the short season. I guess the convertible owners need large garages around here. Must be fun to go visit your convertible in the garage in February when it is -20 C outside and whip yourself over the money you spent.
"Linux is my operating system. I'm not afraid to say it."
Or afraid of looking retarded either apparently. What part of the word SYSTEM don't you understand? Linux is a KERNEL, fucknut. Doesn't help that all you other retards modded this drooler up either. Jesus wept.
Linus stood on his shoulders.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Serious companies are providing quality enterprise systems with Linux and many other big and famous ones are using Linux on their daily operations.
Do you consider Google and Amazon stable?
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Lets ask him to answer to technical questions with vague ideas, double meanings and random musings.
Any other brilliant ideas?
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
It is also a pity that French does not have a word for entrepreneur.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Look Coward, these people are acting in their roles of corporate assholes, and their corporation have publicly known addresses where they can be contacted as such.
Behaving like you do, Cobarde, and hiding behind anonimity (which is not such, I am sure that somebody with a good team of lawyers could track you like nothing) just shows how childish some people can be.
Shame on you Mr Coward.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
-- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
of a stupid cheap Linux zealot who doesn't know shit about technology and has just tried linux a couple of weeks ago because it's "cool". You're still lost in config files and random crashes of KDE don't yet piss you off because (oh, dear) it doesn't crash the kernel.
I've been using Linux at home for the last 5 years or so and I'm well aware of its strengths and weaknesses. Weaknesses must be admitted to be fixed. And the attitude of people like you is a barrier for this to happen.
It's pretty clear that Linus is talking about the Linux kernel to US. But not to most people. The problem is the interviewer keeps on referring to Linux as if it's a clone of UNIX -- an entire set of OS' -- when it's really a drop-in replacement for UNIX kernels, to be used with FS/OSS (e.g., GNU). Linus never corrects him in that regard.
social sciences can never use experience to verify their statemen
Try getting any work done with just the Linux kernel.
In the modern world, "Operating System" means the kernel and all tools needed to manage files on your computer, install software, etc. You can't even partition your hard-drive with just the Linux kernel.
There is a fucking reason why there are two different words -- Operating System and Kernel. It's because they describe TWO separate things, one of which is a sub-set of the other.
social sciences can never use experience to verify their statemen
You can also use a car-engine without the body-frame, tires, and seats that make up the entire car, as well. Try getting anything useful done with it.
It is true that you can make a Linux-based OS without the GNU toolset. There is precisely one Linux-based OS, to my knowledge, that doesn't use the GNU toolset. So get real. Also, since the vast vast majority of them do, calling the set of OS' GNU/Linux is reasonable.
It is relatively clear to us that Linus was taking credit for starting the Linux kernel. Obviously not so clear to the interviewer, nor anyone else who read that article, since he kept on making parallels between the UNIX set of OS' and the Linux kernel -- which is analagous to UNIX kernels, not UNIX OS'.
social sciences can never use experience to verify their statemen
The goatse store.
Use ISO 8601 dates [YYYY-MM-DD]
Proletars of all countries unite!
I'm sorry what did you say? You are not the communist?
Sorry again. Sounds very like early communist, just the idea to brainwash about is different ;)))
I have seen too much of this crap lately and I think this guy might be onto something.
For those interested, memes are pretty cool; Take a look at the book "Thought Contagion".
Okay, this sounds like pure cognitive dissonance. You're so fond of iptables and /proc that you're accepting bash, Gnome, printf, and all the other extraneous GNU "tools" that you're forced to install as well?
When Linux started out, the goal was to build a hobbyist OS. Linus used to ship a C library, shell, and most of the other parts of a real and complete OS. People started getting sick of the duplication of effort, though, and one by one replaced the non-kernel parts with their GNU equivalents (or just used them in the first place), until now we have a system which is mixed GNU and Linux, with GNU predominating. Because of this bizarre history, though, it's still called "Linux," and the old references to "Linux the OS" are still in use, even though they're no longer accurate.
I used to be aware of this and not care; after hearing some of the distortions, irrelevancies, and outright falsehoods ("Gnome is not part of GNU") that people come up with to explain why the GNU people don't deserve much credit for "Linux," I've decided that RMS is right and calling the OS "Linux" is misleading.
I'm sorry you feel that way. It seems to annoy some people even to mention GNU (I'm not sure why), but this stuff about "Linux" being mostly GNU is actually true.New company, coming soon to a www.fuckedcompany.com page near you.
Manipulate the moderator system! Mod someone as "overrated" today.
Linus never clarified the difference between the kernel he started and the entire OS.
Isn't that what we have RMS for?
Personally, however, I entirely agree with you, but you don't go far enough. My OS is KDE/XFree86-X11/GNU/Linux, and I'll advocate the death of anyone who dares shorten such a prestigious name for matters of convinience. The XFree86 and KDE projects have done just as much for my OS as the GNU project, so they too should be honored in such a way.
Really?!?! Where did you hear that?
What LINUX operates is a FREE system, not the paid distros.
It is funny to see many companies that start creating new software for free, and then end asking for money for what everybody got used to use...
To be a fan shouldn't be a part of the opensource.
Rwe obliged 2 save our future by choosing:O3 hole-greenhouse effect instead of accepting everydays gossip-nonsense chat?
No, you don't just "chill" in response to plaguarism and intellectual dishonesty. That is a pretty serious thing, and it's going on all over the place. This is the second fuck-nut (the guy who wrote the article) who has said that Linus invented the "Linux OS". Whether this is by ignorance or malice is irrelevant -- ignorance of intellectual dishonesty is no excuse. No, the world isn't going to come to an end because people are being intellectually dishonest. The world also wouldn't come to an end if I said that I invented the airplane. It would not, however, be right.
social sciences can never use experience to verify their statemen
help I am being held captive in a chinese fortune cookie discussion factory started by Linus Torvald!
OH THE SHAME I fell off the wagon and use sigs again!
In the RISC vs CISC debate, RISC won : all CPUs these days are either RISC, or RISC cores with a CISC layer on top. Same sort of thing seems to be happening to linux's monolithic kernel. I see 14 kernel threads on my compter.
-Philip