New Testing Version Of Linux 2.6

James A. A. Joyce writes "It's all up now at the kernel archives. Get the full 2.6.0-test2 or a patch, whichever suits you. We need to test those new kernels! Hop to it!"

Comments

fp

[CubeDude213]

fp I can't wait to get the new version.

Tphphph

[Anonymous Coward]

Linux suxors! (don't mind me, just adding to the noise)

do you see that!

[Anonymous Coward]

/me watches the bandwith-o-meter explode

Re:do you see that!

[chihowa]

No kidding! I had just checked kernel.org minutes before this story was posted. I began the download before the story, only to see it drastically slow down halfway through. So I checked Slashdot, and here we are!

Re:do you see that!

[Anonymous Coward]

Its still downloading at a reasonable 57 kb/s for me, on a 512Kbit connection (64 kb/s max).

Re:do you see that!

[Uber Banker]

I think you have your K and k the wrong way around.

But it holds up for me fine too.

Re:do you see that!

[IWannaBeAnAC]

err, wouldn't that be the 'b' and 'B's ? 57 KBytes at 512 Kbits/sec ?

Re:do you see that!

[Uber Banker]

Indeed it would... i should stay off the crack on a Sunday...

Re:do you see that!

[gantrep]

When I downloaded test1, a couple weeks ago I think, I remember noting that kernel.org had some nice bandwidth; I was downloading it at about 200kb/s. So yeah that is a pretty big dip.

Re:do you see that!

[caouchouc]

kernel.org should get into the habit of making .torrents available given how every test release from here 'till 2.6.0 will wind up on the front page of /.

Re:do you see that!

[Anonymous Coward]

err, wouldn't that be the 'b' and 'B's ? 57 KBytes at 512 Kbits/sec ?

Just to be pedantic, there is no "K" prefix as a multiplier, it's "k" for kilo.

So it would be 57kB at 512kb/s =)

Re:do you see that!

[Kenard]

They should release things like this on a P2P network. Then the download would have sped up. ;)

Re:do you see that!

[jmaatta]

Why do I always see a post like this when a new kernel is out? :)

Re:do you see that!

[IWannaBeAnAC]

Really? I thought all 'large' ( > 1) SI prefixes were capital letters. K = 1,000, M = 1,000,000, G = 1,000,000,000, T = ... etc etc

Re:do you see that!

[IWannaBeAnAC]

Oops! I'm wrong. See ssomeone who knows what they're talking about.

Re:do you see that!

[chihowa]

Most likely a combination of karma whoring and first post excitement. It's really unavoidable. I am seeking treatment, though.

Fresh off the cob!

[Limburgher]

Of course, I've still got bits stuck between my teeth from the last release. Should have remembered to type 'make toothpick'.

Re:Fresh off the cob!

[yroJJory]

Of course, I've still got bits stuck between my teeth from the last release. Should have remembered to type 'make toothpick'.

Isn't that just an alias for "make clean"?

Re:Fresh off the cob!

[Limburgher]

No! Common error, though. 'make toothpick' satisfies a dependency for 'make clean'. You can't 'make clean' until you 'make toothpick'. It's just too difficult. :)

Re:Fresh off the cob!

[yroJJory]

Sorry. I guess I ran "make mistake".

Re:Fresh off the cob!

[jfortier]

But that's the thing about makefiles. If you type make clean, it should make toothpick and then make clean.

Re:Fresh off the cob!

[NotQuiteReal]

Damn, y'all are geeks.

oh. never mind.

Re:Fresh off the cob!

[Limburgher]

That's one way, but I chose to seperate those two targets for code portability. For example, in another app, I 'make toothpick' and 'make moistened_peas' as preparation for 'make little_model_bridge'.

Re:Fresh off the cob!

[gantrep]

Haha, you guys are so funny.
Don't forget the classic:

make love
make: *** No rule to make target `love'. Stop.

Re:Fresh off the cob!

[leviramsey]

Of course, I've still got bits stuck between my teeth from the last release. Should have remembered to type 'make toothpick'.

Making 'make...' jokes is a sign that you haven't 'make whoopee''d in a long time...

Re:Fresh off the cob!

[minkwe]

Actually it should be:

make love
make: Don't know how to make 'love'. Stop.

Re:Fresh off the cob!

[Jerk City Troll]

BONGHITS WILL FIX MY MAKEFILE

Re:Fresh off the cob!

[Anonymous Coward]

please mod the previous post funny too!

Re:Fresh off the cob!

[Hard_Code]

Shouldn't you use automake? ;)

GNAA Blow Goats

[Anonymous Coward]

Worthy cause my ass.

First post

[Anonymous Coward]

And I was the first post on slashdot about it too. YOU FAIL IT!

ffdsafsda

[Anonymous Coward]

fcxvx ds fdsafadsfsda

Heh.

[MrBiiggy]

That has to be one of the worst spiel's ever.

New in 2.6

[bethane]

Being a LKML lurker, here are a few of the new features.

In-kernel Module Loader and Unified parameter support: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rust y/patches/Module/

Nanosecond Time Patch: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0210 .3/0793.html

Fbdev Rewrite: http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0111 .3/1267.html

Linux Trace Trollkit (LTT): http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0204 .1/0832.html

statfs64: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=103 610918825614&w=2

POSIX Timer API: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=103 553654329827&w=2

Shared Pagetable support: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=103 498293902006&w=2

Hotplug CPU Removal Support and Kernel Probes

Re:New in 2.6

[zifty]

The full changelog is here.

Re:New in 2.6

[Anonymous Coward]

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visit whitehouse.gov

Re:New in 2.6

[samhalliday]

Linux Trace Trollkit

is that for real? or is it the obligatory intentional-typo ;-)

Re:New in 2.6

[Anonymous Coward]

Hi,

I'm the Bob Goatse, can you add me to your mailing list. Thanks.

My name is GoatSe.CX my e-mail is GoatSe.CX.

Re:New in 2.6

[Anonymous Coward]

New in 2.6 (Score:5, Informative)
by bethane (686358) on Sunday July 27, @07:09PM (#6547182)
(http://slashdot.org/~bethanie/journal) Being a LKML lurker, here are a few of the new features.

In-kernel Module Loader and Unified parameter support: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rust y/patches/Module/

Nanosecond Time Patch: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0210 .3/0793.html

Fbdev Rewrite: http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0111 .3/1267.html

Linux Trace Tollkit (LTT): http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0204 .1/0832.html

statfs64: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=103 610918825614&w=2

POSIX Timer API: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=103 553654329827&w=2

Shared Pagetable support: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=103 498293902006&w=2

Hotplug CPU Removal Support and Kernel Probes

Re:New in 2.6

[Anonymous Coward]

Hi
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docter and get tested for H.I.V. guess what? I GOT H.I.V.

Right now I'm kinda sad that I ruined my life just for sex, it wasn't
even that great. I just made this page to let people know not to
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Re:New in 2.6

[Anonymous Coward]

That's sad.

If you are trolling, please, don't joke about that stuff.

Re:New in 2.6

[Uber Banker]

Agree... that is sad... but natural selection is like that...

Re:New in 2.6

[Anonymous Coward]

Toolkit

Re:New in 2.6

[Anonymous Coward]

I just spoke to steve on the phone, it's true. The dude sounded pretty depressed, we spoke about Star Wars Glaxies and stuff he's a cool guy. Kinda sad story, scares me.. I've met two girls online, but they live in college with me.

Re:New in 2.6

[Anonymous Coward]

You're a fucking insensitive little cock sucker. I hope your mom gets raped by some nasty negro jail breakers and pray to god that this happens to your dad

Re:New in 2.6

[antiMStroll]

...Linux Trace Trollkit...

Hmmm, sounds like something that'll be useful around here.

Re:New in 2.6

[Clith]

a URL-ized version of an informative posting

Being a LKML lurker, here are a few of the new features.

• In-kernel Module Loader and Unified parameter support
• Nanosecond Time Patch
• Fbdev Rewrite
• Linux Trace Trollkit (LTT)
• statfs64
• POSIX Timer API
• Shared Pagetable support
• Hotplug CPU Removal Support and Kernel Probes (no link provided)

Re:New in 2.6

[Anonymous Coward]

nanosecond support. Took long enough.

Re:New in 2.6

[Anonymous Coward]

Mod that as troll, the LTT is Linux Trace Toolkit.

Re:New in 2.6

[kasperd]

Linux Trace Trollkit
is that for real? or is it the obligatory intentional-typo ;-)

I'm pretty sure I saw that exact same "typo" when 2.6.0-test1 was released (or was it 2.5.75? or was it ...).

Re:New in 2.6

[Anonymous Coward]

I just sent him an email. I hope I can speak to this guy.

-luciano.

Re:New in 2.6

[Anonymous Coward]

Why are there so many Darwinian parrots on Slashdot who love to go on and on about "natural selection" to assert their own superiority?

I don't know who they are fooling.

It would be fitting for you to contract HIV. But I would not wish such a horrible thing upon anyone. For you see, I have a soul.

Peace be with you,
-luciano.

Re:New in 2.6

[Anonymous Coward]

you mean whitehouse.com ?

Changelog

[CNeb96]

http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/Change Log-2.6.0-test2

IP Violation

[Anonymous Coward]

But is it SCO free?

Re:IP Violation

[NanoGator]

"But is it SCO free? "

Sign this NDA and I'll tell you.

Re:IP Violation

[Anonymous Coward]

YES!
Old McBride he had some IP
IBIBM
And that IP it was not free
IBIBM

With some SCO code here; Some SCO code there
Here a SCO, there a SCO; Everywhere a SCO SCO

The linux kernel had SMP
IBIBM
And that code was from Project Monterey
IBIBM

The linux kernel had NUMA
IBIBM
Then someone spread rumours
IBIBM

The linux kernel had JFS
IBIBM
And Christoph Hellwig did his best
IBIBM

Old McBride owns none of that
IBIBM
How we'd love to see THAT contract
IBIBM

With a lawsuit here; A counter-suit there
Sue a SCO, sue a SCO; Everybody sue a SCO SCO

Re:IP Violation

[Anonymous Coward]

I think so, but I did notice that pppoe was buggy. Perhaps SCO code could have caused that.

Re:IP Violation

[Anonymous Coward]

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Born in Finnland, it grew up in Europe, Australia and many other countries worldwide.
It`s the community`s baby.
And it will never be imprisoned by imperialistic american money shitters.

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Here is a link

[Billly Gates]

Look right here for a link.

Sincerly Mcbride CEO of SCO

Re:Here is a link

[Anonymous Coward]

Did SCO hire ESR to do their graphics?

Re:Here is a link

[Anonymous Coward]

um who/what is ESR ?

Re:Here is a link

[Anonymous Coward]

What is ESR? It's a company, Environmental Science and Research Ltd

Re:Here is a link

[Anonymous Coward]

Excellent, a voluntary punching bag! Hey Bill Gates, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat and club you over the head with it as if you were a harbor seal.

Gee, I wonder whether the real Bill Gates reads /. Well, in case you do, I dare you to come within 1 mile of me you pustulent pile of shit. Right about now I would take great pleasure in killing you. Bring it on scumbag. I'd love it. My phone number is 508-230-7032 My address is 27 Hilltop Lane, South Easton, Ma. My name is Allan Bevins, and yours is mud, dead fucking mud.

Re:Here is a link

[Anonymous Coward]

Crown Research Institute actually, more of an SOE than a company, but still very company like. Ok, what the hell, they're a company, just a gov't spinoff company.

But I agree with the parent, Eric's managed to put some ugly graphics on that site somehow. Move over Eraserhead.

Re:Here is a link

[gl4ss]

ehh billy, all i could find from their ftp was:
kernel-source-2.4.19.SuSE-106.nosrc.rpm 10496 KB 9.5.2003 13:32:00
kernel-source-2.4.19.SuSE-133.nosrc.rpm 11067 KB 9.5.2003 13:32:00
kernel-source-2.4.19.SuSE-152.nosrc.rpm 11418 KB 9.5.2003 13:32:00
kernel-source-2.4.19.SuSE-82.nosrc.rpm 10228 KB 9.5.2003 13:32:00

Re:Here is a link

[Rysc]

Who is ESR? ESR is Eric S Raymond. For all the juicy details, ask your friendly neighborhood Google.

Re:Here is a link

[nulleffect]

ESR -> Eric S. Raymond, the guy who is a megalo gun-nut and happens to be the president of OSI.

Woo Hoo

[Anonymous Coward]

So you think they'll finally have USB support added to Linux so I can just plug in my digital camera and have it work instantly, like in Microsoft(r) Windows(r) XP Professional or MacOS X?

Re:Woo Hoo

[caluml]

Nope, they're said that they're never going to support that, because people shouldn't be plugging cameras into webservers.

Re:Woo Hoo

[sirmikester]

Its not a kernel issue as it already supports USB. You'd have to have a service(daemon) running that would scan the USB ports on your computer for any changes and then have it load a program to download the pictures off your computer.

Re:Woo Hoo

[Anonymous Coward]

It'd be nice if that daemon could be something integrated into the OS so that the USB camera could be seen as an external hard drive and used as such. You know, like how Windows and Mac do it.

Re:Woo Hoo

[sirmikester]

I'm sure that Windows and Mac OS X run USB Camera detection as a service. I doubt that the functionality is in their kernels. They're just setup in a way that makes the whole process transparent. You could setup linux to do exactly the same thing, I'm sure that this will be (or already is) a feature in Lycoris, Lindows etc...

Re:Woo Hoo

[grennis]

What?... so you are saying... no?? yes??

Hell, I dont even understand your answer. You really expect this to be a mainstream OS?

Re:Woo Hoo

[Anonymous Coward]

It's actually that the USB host driver supports "external hard drive" as a device type. It isn't anything more sophisticated than that.

But I guess implementing that would be too much for Linux developers. But hey, you've still got 30-odd filesystems and window managers to choose from!

Re:Woo Hoo

[The Analog Kid]

There is a hotplugging script for stuff like that, its how I've seen a lot of distros autodetect during install, Knoppix and Gentoo being an example. If you have Gentoo, its I think

emerge hotplug

The only thing you need is Support for hotplugging in the kernel.

Re:Woo Hoo

[Anonymous Coward]

This is not a kernel issue, it is a userspace issue. The kernel already supports USB devices, and has for a long time (although USB is much improved in 2.6). The program gphoto supports over 100 different digital cameras. I use it with my Canon S30. I can just plug the camera into a USB port, launch the program, and view the thumbnails/exif data from whatever is on the camera. Piece of cake. (mmmm..)

PowerPC?

[SHEENmaster]

I use an Apple iBook2 as my primary desktop, with an x86 for a server/renderer. Is PowerPC/Sparc/etc support focused on early or late in the development cycle? Should I expect the file I'm downloading to compile, or collapse?

Re:PowerPC?

[Cheesy Fool]

Compared to 2.4.X these are the problems i've seen. No cpufreq scaling, alsa doesn't work too good and preempt doesn't work properly (mouse stutters).

Re:PowerPC?

[Cheesy Fool]

Forgot to say thats on an iBook2.2.

Re:PowerPC?

[NanoGator]

"with an x86 for a server/renderer."

What kinda rendering are ya doing? Just curious, I'm a Lightwaver and they only recently have Linux support.

Re:PowerPC?

[Anonymous Coward]

He didn't say he was running Linux on the x86.

Re:PowerPC?

[The Analog Kid]

Yes I've had problems with ALSA, it worked just all distorted when playing some songs, it was more apparent in some then others, like Fly By Night by Rush is terrible. When using the OSS drivers everything is a crystal clear as in Windows.

Re:PowerPC?

[Anonymous Coward]

Which sound chipset exactly?

Re:PowerPC?

[Zork the Almighty]

Fly By Night by Rush is terrible.

So what's that got to do with ALSA ?

Re:PowerPC?

[The Man]

I can't speak for ppc, but I can talk a bit about sparc and sparc64. sparc64 is a first-class port managed continuously by David Miller. It generally tracks progress of x86 fairly closely and can be expected to work at almost any time. sparc(32) however, is barely hanging onto critical mass and 2.6 will, sadly, probably be the last seriously supported kernel for that platform. Development will happen late in the cycle and it's unlikely to work at all before 2.6.2 or so. I'm working on it now, as are a handful of others, but we don't have a lot of time and debugging takes a long time on such slow systems...

Re:PowerPC?

[G3ckoG33k]

I think that was meant as a general warning - never play anything with Rush. At least I haven't done it, as far as I now. And even if it shouldn't affect ALSA at all, one may better be on the safe side.

Re:PowerPC?

[jrockway]

PowerPC is working fine over here. test1's ALSA was broken, but test2's might not be. I haven't tested that yet. There should be build available from PPCKernel.org soon. I just submitted one.

Re:PowerPC?

[Anonymous Coward]

What kind of system?

Re:PowerPC?

[XO]

ALSA works great, as far as I can tell, although I am doing everything thru the OSS compatibility modules. Preempt is awesome. If you're having problems with it, I'm guessing you're using Debian, and you need to un-nice your X server.

Coincidence?

[Anonymous Coward]

This is announced at the same time we have a poll asking the number of times the OS on your main computer crashes. If this IS "from the crashy-crashy" dept. then I'd have to say this is an interesting coincidence. Or is it?

OT: New Worm?

[Anonymous Coward]

Hey, I'm noticing a lot of IIS sites getting hosed today, returning Server Application Error pages. Anyone know of any new worms or anything going around today?

2.6.0-test1 was really boring

[Bruce Perens]

I decided to test 2.6.0-test1 on one of my primary servers. After building the kernel, I had to install the Debian module-init-tools package (required to manipulate kernel modules in 2.6) and edit /etc/modprobe.conf to alias what module to load for my ethernet cards and for the PS/2 mouse driver (the "mousedev" module). And then it just ran. It's been serving perens.com for days.

I am also running it on my Vaio U-101 (a Pentium 4 600 sub-laptop that fits in a fanny-pack).

Bruce

Re:2.6.0-test1 was really boring

[Zero_K]

Did I see you in OS Revolution????

Re:2.6.0-test1 was really boring

[cscx]

Do you know offhand if this can run straight-away on Debian-stable without upgrading any other dependencies (like for instance, GNU libc)?

Re:2.6.0-test1 was really boring

[rf0]

Unfortunatly test-1 had a problem that if you had an XFS root fs it didn't mount. Firstly it tried mounting as UFS then Resier. Haven't seen ins -test2 has fixed it

Rus

Re:2.6.0-test1 was really boring

[Bruce Perens]

I guess I should have mentioned that I almost always run "unstable". I've always been imnpressed with its stability! I've had a down day once in about 10 years due to a bad Debian package.

I have no information regarding running it on "stable".

Bruce

Re:2.6.0-test1 was really boring

[Anonymous Coward]

I haven't seen "Revelution OS", but yes, that's the Bruce Perens of Toy Story/Debian/HP/whatever fame.

Re:2.6.0-test1 was really boring

[Anonymous Coward]

Hehe! I saw Revolution OS last night! He looks different there than on his website... longer hair. :)

Re:2.6.0-test1 was really boring

[dossen]

What problems are there with XFS?

(pts/0)dossen@leela:~$ mount
/devices/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part4 on / type xfs (rw,noatime)
proc on /proc type proc (rw)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw)
tmpfs on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw)
tmpfs on /var/run type tmpfs (rw)
tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,size=256m,nr_inodes=64m)
/devices/ide/host0/b us0/target0/lun0/part3 on /mnt/win type vfat (rw)
usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)

(pts/0)dossen@leela:~$ uname -a
Linux leela 2.6.0-test1 #1 Fri Jul 18 23:56:44 CEST 2003 i686 unknown

It works for me.

Re:2.6.0-test1 was really boring

[Anonymous Coward]

perhaps other contrainsts are required for the failure.

Re:2.6.0-test1 was really boring

[MicroBerto]

Bruce, you're a great guy. However, I think you need to google around and learn to tie a tie better. It is important for when you have to suck up to corporate douchebags, like it or not :-(

Best wishes bruce! Up the irons!

Re:2.6.0-test1 was really boring

[Anonymous Coward]

MicroBerto, what's a douchebags, and also are you a fashion consultant? Can I send you a (not naked) picture of mine, and can you say what to improve?

Re:2.6.0-test1 was really boring

[Anonymous Coward]

After building the kernel, I had to install the Debian module-init-tools package (required to manipulate kernel modules in 2.6) and edit /etc/modprobe.conf to alias what module to load for my ethernet cards and for the PS/2 mouse driver (the "mousedev" module). And then it just ran. It's been serving perens.com for days.

Well, Linus did say there would be less time needed than the 2.4 series pre-releases. Maybe the kernel developers did a better job fixing loose ends before releasing the pre-release. As for modules... never did trust them. I still prefer compiling everything into the kernel.

Re:2.6.0-test1 was really boring

[fshalor]

No problems on debian stable... I'd just moved the backup server to 2.6.0-test1 for "testing" and two days later found out I had one day to backup all of our systems PRONTO for a poweroutage for the entire weekend.

Video is a little twitchy if you're running an ATI board and a KVM switch. (It wigs out on first switch.) Other than that, it's fast and rock solid. USB-2.0 works with an external drive.

I wrote 9 DVD's with it and copied 30 G's over to a usb drive without a problem. 4 of the 9 DVD's were backups from over a network.

Can't wait to throw test2 on the box.

Oh, one wierd clock error, but it didn't crash anything out.

Re:2.6.0-test1 was really boring

[laa]

At least it ran on my Debian-testing. As stated previously module-init-tools had to be installed, and some tweaking in /etc/modules and /etc/modutils was required, but that's about it. Some scripts in /etc/init.d generate non-critical messages when shutting down, and my automounted partitions don't get unmounted. Apart from this I haven't noticed any problems.

Re:2.6.0-test1 was really boring

[ViGe]

I guess I should have mentioned that I almost always run "unstable". I've always been imnpressed with its stability! I've had a down day once in about 10 years due to a bad Debian package.

As Debian turns 10 years next month, I just have to wonder: Have you had your first "down day" yet?

Re:2.6.0-test1 was really boring

[isorox]

obviously you never did an "apt-get remove libc6" when you came home drunk one night.

Re:2.6.0-test1 was really boring

[BlueWonder]

martin@feynman:~ > su -
Password:
feynman:~ # apt-get remove libc6
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
a2ps aalib1 adduser adjtimex alsa-base alsa-modules-2.4.20-6
alsa-modules-2.4.21-1 alsa-source alsa-utils alsa-xmms anacron apache
apache-common apt apt-show-source apt-show-versions apt-utils at audacity
autoconf automake1.7 autotrace barcode base-files base-passwd bash bc
bible-kjv bible-kjv-text biff bind9-host binutils binutils-dev bison
bittorrent blender bsdgames bsdmainutils bsdutils buffer build-essential
bzip2 ca-certificates calc cdda2wav cdrdao cdrecord cdtool cflow
checksecurity console-common console-data console-tools console-tools-libs
coreutils countrycodes cpio cpp cpp-3.3 cracklib-runtime cracklib2 cron
cutils cvs db4.1-util dc debbugs-el debconf debconf-utils debhelper
debianutils debmake deborphan debsigs debsums debview defoma devfsd
devscripts dh-kpatches dh-make dialog dict dict-devil dict-easton
dict-elements dict-foldoc dict-gcide dict-hitchcock dict-jargon dict-vera
dict-wn dictd dictionaries-common dictzip diff diffstat dlocate dnsutils
doc-base dpkg dpkg-dev dpkg-dev-el dselect dsniff e2fsprogs eboard ed
electric-fence elisp-manual emacs-lisp-intro emacs21 emacsen-common enscript
ethereal ethereal-common exim4 exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light
expect expectk fakeroot fdutils fetchmail ffmpeg figlet file fileutils
findutils finger flex fontconfig fortune-mod fortunes fortunes-bofh-excuses
fortunes-min fping freeciv-client-gtk freeciv-server ftp fvwm g++ g++-3.3
gawk gcc gcc-3.3 gdb gdk-imlib1 gettext gettext-base gettext-el gimp1.2
gimp1.2-perl gimp1.2-print gnuchess gnuchess-book gnupg gnuplot gperf grep
grep-dctrl groff groff-base grub gs gs-common gsfonts gsfonts-x11 gtksee gv
gzip hdparm help2man hostname html-helper-mode html2text iamerican ibritish
icmpinfo id-utils ifupdown imagemagick imlib-base imlib-progs indent info
ingerman initscripts iogerman ipmasq iptables iptraf ircii ispell jackd
jhead jpeginfo jpegoptim jpegpixi kdelibs-bin kdelibs4 kernel-image-2.4.20-6
kernel-image-2.4.21-1 kernel-package kernel-patch-2.4-preempt
kernel-source-2.4.21 klogd ksymoops lame less lesstif2 libao2 libart-2.0-2
libarts1 libasound2 libatk1.0-0 libaudio2 libaudiofile0 libautotrace3
libblkid1 libbz2-1.0 libbz2-dev libc6 libc6-dev libcap1
libcompress-zlib-perl libcupsys2 libcurl2 libdb1-compat libdb2 libdb3
libdb4.0 libdb4.1 libdb4.1-dev libdns8 libdps1 libesd0 libexpat1 libfam0c102
libfluidsynth1 libfontconfig1 libfreetype6 libft-perl libg2c0 libgcc1
libgcrypt1 libgd-gif1 libgdbm-dev libgdbm3 libgdbmg1 libggi-target-x libggi2
libggimisc2 libgii0 libgii0-target-x libgimp1.2 libgimpprint1 libglib1.2
libglib2.0-0 libgmp3 libgmp3-dev libgnutls5 libgnutls7 libgpmg1 libgtk-perl
libgtk1.2 libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-common libgtkxmhtml1 libid3-3.8.3 libid3tag0
libidl0 libidn9 libimage-info-perl libio-string-perl libisc4 libjack0.50.0-0
libjack0.71.2-0 libjpeg-progs libjpeg62 libjpeg62-dev libkpathsea3 libkrb53
liblame0 liblcms1 libldap2 liblocale-gettext-perl liblockfile1 libltdl3
libltdl3-dev liblwres1 liblzo1 libmad0 libmagic1 libmagick++5.5.7
libmagick5.5.7 libmikmod2 libmldbm-perl libmng1 libmpeg1 libnasl2
libncurses5 libncurses5-dev libnessus2 libnet1 libnet1-dev libnetpbm9
libnetpbm9-dev libnids1 libnss-db libogg0 libopencdk4 libpam-cracklib
libpam-dotfile libpam-modules libpam-pwdfile libpam0g libpam0g-dev
libpango1.0-0 libpango1.0-common libpaper-utils libpaper1 libpcap-dev
libpcap0.7 libpcre3 libperl-dev libperl5.6 libperl5.8 libpisock4 libplot2
libpng10-0 libpng12-0 libpng12-dev libpng2 libpng3 libpopt0 libpstoedit0
libqt3c102-mt libreadline4 libreadline4-dev librecode0 libsasl-modules-plain
libsasl2 libsasl7 libsdl-mixer1.2 libsdl1.2debian libsdl1.2debian-oss
libsmpeg0 libsndfile1 libssl-dev libssl0.9.

Re:2.6.0-test1 was really boring

[idiat]

I assume you mean "nearly" ten years rather that "about" ten years, it's not debians birthday for another two weeks yet :)

More hot news!!!

[InfiniteWisdom]

Somebody just submitted a patch!!!! Go download it from the bitkeeper NOW!!!!

I just installed FreeBSD

[Billly Gates]

Grrr.

I love Linux but hate most of the bloated distro's. However I would love to see how real time and fast this new kernel is. Also I heard you do not have to do a "make modules" when compiling.

Anyway back to my long instant-workstation ports installation.

Re:I just installed FreeBSD

[Anonymous Coward]

Gentoo/Debian is/are your/the friend/answer.

Re:I just installed FreeBSD

[rf0]

Try Debian. A small install is around 96Mb and if you install a customer kernel should 200 Mb (Excluding source)

Rus

Re:I just installed FreeBSD

[cscx]

Use Debian, make-kpkg is your friend!

Re:I just installed FreeBSD

[Anonymous Coward]

Um, there are plenty of non-bloated distros like slack.

As for "make modules" you can still use the command to make the modules, but you can also just type "make" after you set up your '.config'. which will do the kernel and modules. "make bzImage" will still make the kernel only as well.

Re:I just installed FreeBSD

[Bodhammer]

This is one of the best recipes for a tight install I have used:

The Very Verbose Debian 3.0 Installation Walkthrough

This will give you a minimal but extremely stable install. If you want newer stuff you can shift to "testing" or "unstable". Unless your are doing cutting edge stuff, this install is bulletproof!

Re:I just installed FreeBSD

[damiam]

Actually, a minimal Debian install is like 25 MB, IIRC. Of course, that's with nothing but bash, the gnu tools, apt/dpkg, and the kernel, but sometimes that's all you need.

Re:I just installed FreeBSD

[Anonymous Coward]

The End of FreeBSD

[ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]

When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.

Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.

FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.

It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.

So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.

Discussion

I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.

From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.

There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.

Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.

Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?

Shouts

To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.

To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. I

Re:I just installed FreeBSD

[Penguin Follower]

"Also I heard you do not have to do a "make modules" when compiling."

Well, I don't know about that. If you type "make modules" it does indeed do something. However! Typing "make dep" gets you a message saying that it is no longer required ;)

Re:I just installed FreeBSD

[phoxix]

This got modded up to interesting? Excuse me?

Sunny Dubey

Re:I just installed FreeBSD

[Anonymous Coward]

fuck/you

Re:I just installed FreeBSD

[antiMStroll]

Nice link. Tx.

Re:I just installed FreeBSD

[Anonymous Coward]

FreeBSD is dead. Linux is dead. Mac OS X is the future. Think Different. Think Better. Think Apple.

Re:I just installed FreeBSD

[rowanxmas]

25MB...the gnu tools

and if you don't install emacs its like 5MB.

Re:I just installed FreeBSD

[makapuf]

Actually, even a Mandrake has a minimalist install of about 100MB. (only core packages, no X, but you get python, perl+usual suspects)

Re:I just installed FreeBSD

[fafaforza]

Baking powder?

Re:I just installed FreeBSD

[discogravy]

While I'm a big fan of this guide, and have used it myself, the post that references it is misleading -- or at least, not totally accurate. You do not need to upgrade to unstable/testing to get the latest version of a specific package. Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to include an apt repository for the packages you want (e.g., gnome2.2, kde3.1, mozilla-firebird, etc,) and then do apt-get update, and apt-get install whatever-it-is. Check apt-get.org for apt-get repositories for newer stuff. Adding new stuff to older versions of debian may break stuff, caveat emptor.

Re:I just installed FreeBSD

[shaitand]

ok I love linux, but I can't resist.

So the kernel make process has finally caught up with every other package in existance?

Re:I just installed FreeBSD

[shaitand]

actually from my understanding the kernel has finally caught up with the other packages worldwide.

you can now ./configure
make
make install

you can still compile just the modules or just the kernel with the usual commands but they aren't needed accomplish this anymore.

Changelog?

[Feztaa]

I can't find one on kernel.org, would anybody mind telling me what they fixed between -test1 and -test2?

Re:Changelog?

[ibjhb]

http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/Change Log-2.6.0-test2

Phew .... who made teh fahrt!

[Anonymous Coward]

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We suck.

[caluml]

Current bandwidth utilization 67.69 Mbit/s

Is this all we can do? Is this Slashdot, or what...

Re:We suck.

[neurostar]

Is this all we can do? Is this Slashdot, or what...

I'll just browse over there and hit "reload" a bunch of times... :D

Re:We suck.

[T0t0r0_fan]

Seriously, I think that's just a compliment to the mirrors...I never remember having speed problems getting any kernel version. We'll see about 2.6.0 stable, though :) I think an "officially stable" one would change that :) Btw, I think it's slowly climbing up now :)

Re:We suck.

[Anonymous Coward]

reload? are you saying you use netscape or mozilla? what you meant to say is "refresh"!!!

Re:We suck.

[rodbegbie]

It's almost like they deliberately released it on a Sunday evening, when /. reading is relatively low.

Let's see them release a new kernel on a Monday morning at 9am. That'd get their bandwidth pumping.

rOD.

Re:We suck.

[rastos1]

The comment #6547230 was placed on a wrong place. It should be here since it reads:

This was fixed in 2.4.18 ... :-)

The AMD and Nvidia Issue (mem=nopentium)

[Anonymous Coward]

This was fixed in 2.4.18, correct? Was this fix foward-ported to the development kernel so that I can safely boot without using mem=nopentium and have no fear of my X locking?

Thank You

Re:The AMD and Nvidia Issue (mem=nopentium)

[James_Duncan8181]

I am running an AMD 1600+ and a Geforce 4200. I have run 2.4.18bf, 2.4.20, 2.4.21, and 2.6-test1 without problems.

Re:The AMD and Nvidia Issue (mem=nopentium)

[The Analog Kid]

I have a 2500+ and a 5600 Ultra and no problems under the 2.6-test1(also using ACPI) though my networking doesn't work without a patch. I have a Broadcom 4401, has it been fixed yet?

Re:The AMD and Nvidia Issue (mem=nopentium)

[tlk nnr]

Yes, it was fixed: AGP GART pages are removed from the linear mapping with change_page_attr.

HERE YOU GO

[YOU ARE SO FIRED!]

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=105 932590109238&w=2

And you're fired.

Excellent! Time to upgrade..

[Fu Ling-Yu]

As we do not get access to many news site in China, I very happy to read this story on here.

Upgrading kernel is important for stability of system to run our university and other system.. so I will now instruct technical people to upgrade kernels on mission critical machine straight away!

Will using 2.6 be a big improvement over our existing 2.5 boxes? Also is upgrading to PHP 5 beta a worth while idea?

Re:Excellent! Time to upgrade..

[caluml]

PHP 5 is being integrated into the 2.6 kernels - should provide a noticable boost for web servers.

Re:Excellent! Time to upgrade..

[glockenspieler]

As we do not get access to many news site in China, I very happy to read this story on here.

Hmmm, apparently endless SCO rants and bamboo bicycles is not the type of subversive speech that the Chinese government feels is worth blocking.

Welcome to slashdot!

Re:Excellent! Time to upgrade..

[Anonymous Coward]

You again? You like your 1000+ key keyboard for entering Asian languages?

Exactly how many accounts on Slashdot do you have already?

Re:Excellent! Time to upgrade..

[Anonymous Coward]

That's because we never say anything important here.

Re:Excellent! Time to upgrade..

[Anonymous Coward]

Stereotypical chinese grammar mistakes? Check.

Silly questions meant to start a flame war? Check.

A subtle comment about the great firewall of China, to which most people are against? Check.

Moderators who obviously didn't realized the give-away name "Fu Ling-Yu"? Check, Check.

>0x5e610

Re:Excellent! Time to upgrade..

[Nighttime]

Will the moderator who moderated this as interesting please read the original poster's name out aloud a few times until the penny drops.

Re:Excellent! Time to upgrade..

[RichMan]

If you are running mission critical machines they should be running the latest 2.4 version.

2.5 is an experimental kernel set. 2.6 is supposed to be the stable inclusion of 2.5 technologies. This is a 2.6 test version so it is not expected to be stable.

Re:Excellent! Time to upgrade..

[Anonymous Coward]

you SO don't have a sense of humour... (im JUST guessing, but are you a ham-ear-ican?)

Re:Excellent! Time to upgrade..

[samhalliday]

(wipes tears from eyes...) i wish i had mod points :-D

i can't believe how many people replied to this with serious advise...

Re:Excellent! Time to upgrade..

[leviramsey]

I salute you! Bravo, Dr. Fu Ling-Yu!

hooray!

[larry bagina]

having ACLs as a standard feature will be fantastic.

I wonder if the ACL haters will have a foxhole conversion.

Re:hooray!

[GirTheRobot]

I am sure ACL's are merely an option. I installed Gentoo this weekend and the default sources came with the GrSecurity patch, which includes POSIX ACL's (among other things like a non-executable stack, buffer overflow protection, and randomized program PID's).

Changelog text here.

[Anonymous Coward]

Summary of changes from v2.6.0-test1 to v2.6.0-test2
<acme@conectiva.com.br>
o wl3501: new wireless driver for Planet WL 3501 802.11 PCMCIA card
After a long while, and with wireless becoming a hot topic, at leastfor me, I get back to work on this driver, Aristeu, Niemeyer, Marcelino,
this will finally be integrated! Whee! :-)
<agrover@groveronline.com>
ACPI: make it so acpismp=force works (reported by Andrew Morton)
<acme@conectiva.com.br>
o wl3501: reorganization
. use enun instead of tons of #defines
. put the initial smp locking, still commented out
. use some defines for magic numbers
. break the rx_interrupt routine in multiple inlines for each signal type
. CodingStyle cleanups
. Activated the stupid loop, will now try without it, works? kill this stupidity
<acme@conectiva.com.br>
o wl3501: fix the bug that prevented us from reliably using MTU ~> WL3501_BLKSZ
<acme@conectiva.com.br>
o wl3501: use eth_copy_and_sum, assorted cleanups
<acme@conectiva.com.br>
o wl3501: disabling the stupid loop for now, working well...
<acme@conectiva.com.br>
o wl3501: uncomment spin_lock usage, working well, have to stress this thing more now

<acme@conectiva.com.br>
o wl3501: remove comment about supporting wireless extensions
It will, but is not supporting now, just some basic skeleton is in place.
<acme@conectiva.com.br>
o wl3501: remove stupid loop
<acme@conectiva.com.br>
o wl3501: add locking in the interrupt handler
<acme@conectiva.com.br>
o wl3501: move some variable declaration to where they are needed
<acme@conectiva.com.br>
o wl3501: tidy up wl3501_ioctl
. check if the device is present, bail out if not
. move the buffer to the place where it is used
. check the size of the firmware buffer passed from userspace
. make wl3501_write_flash return -EIO on failure, 0 on success
<acme@conectiva.com.br>
o wl3501: initial batch of support for wireless extensions and ethtool
<acme@conectiva.com.br>
o wl3501: implement some more wireless extensions
Also reorganize wl3501_card struct a bit to avoid wasting some bytes.

This time get_sense and set_wap wireless extensions were added,
work in progress, ya know 8)

<acme@conectiva.com.br>
o wl3501: restructure netdev handling and kill card_start abomination

<acme@conectiva.com.br>
o wl3501: update tx statistics

<acme@conectiva.com.br>
o wl3501: more wireless extensions: {get,set}_nick and get_freq

<acme@conectiva.com.br>
o wl3501: remove leftover debug from get_freq

<acme@conectiva.com.br>
o wl3501: create channel to frequency table and use it in get_freq

This table was obtained from the Planet WAP 1000 Access Point web
interface, accessing it over this driver after I ran nmap against
the AP box that is now only with the wireless interface, i.e. all
accesses to it are over this driver :-)

<acme@conectiva.com.br>
o wl3501: do proper tx throttling

. check if queue was stopped when receiving interrupt tx confirmation,
prior to calling netif_wake_queue.
. stop the queue processing if there is less than 2 tx blocks in the
card, with this I get no drops in pktgen, whee! 8)

<acme@conectiva.com.br>
o wl3501: subtract one from this->channel to get the correct frequency

<acme@conectiva.com.br>
o wl3501: implement get_rate wireless extension

For now returning a fixed rate of 2 Mbit/s, that is by far
the most common for this thing, but perhaps this card can
work at 1 Mbit/s and so I have to find out from were to get
this info, without documentation coding drivers is, humm,
"fun" :-\

<acme@conectiva.com.br>

three questions

[Anonymous Coward]

1. How'd you evade the YELLING filter?
2. Was that conversion automated?
3. DOES IT RUN LINUX ?????

Re:three questions

[Uber Banker]

1. It is clearly '***'Michael'***' attempting some form of bad parody.

2. ???

3. Soviet Russia imagines you in a Beowolf cluster of PROFITable Natalie Portman pics running on *BSD you insensitive clod.

Real time vs. Fast

[Anonymous Coward]

You really can't have it both ways. Although a real-time OS gives the impression of being fast because of the low latency of the system, in fact it is quite a bit slower than non-real-time systems because the scheduler comes into play many more times than normal. It is possible to make an OS so real time that the system simply doesn't have any time to process any system calls because it is too busy pre-empting itself via the over-active scheduler.

Since Linux isn't (and never will be) a real-time OS at the Linus-level releases, this isn't a problem. However, it has been the experience of quite a few companies who tried RT-Linux that their systems mysteriously crashed. It turns out that the Linux kernel just isn't prepared to have the scheduling thread pumped up as high as the companies wanted. Of course, they could have simply raised the latency, but then they wouldn't have been any better than WinCE for latency.

It's too bad that Linus isn't interested in hardening the kernel for real-time. But then again, that was never really his stated purpose and there are many other kernels out there that are real-time and do a great job at it.

Who needs real-time on network servers anyway?

SCO

[WolfieN]

I wonder how many more lawsuit claims will come from this release..

Wont't boot for me

[Anonymous Coward]

I'd love to test this but it won't boot for me as I have some kind of drive manager on my 60GB DeskStar drive. My partitions don't show up. Support for drive managers eg OnTrack has been removed in 2.6. Does anyone know how to remove this from a drive non-destructively ?

Re:Wont't boot for me

[NoRemorse]

i think if you do a 'low level' formatt it should remove it but *shrugs* im not sure what the hell im talking about these days...

Re:Wont't boot for me

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't know if it's possible to remove it non-destructively. You could try using a boot floppy, creating a backup of your MBR then rewriting it with a proper one. The floppy must boot before the drive manager loads.

Re:Wont't boot for me

[Anonymous Coward]

Boot with the old kernel, backup data, then boot with the new kernel and fdisk/format the disk and restore the backup. Get rid of that ontrack garbage, it hasn't been needed since circa 1995.

Attention moderators

[Anonymous Coward]

moderate parent -1 troll, everyone else fucking ignore him. His name for chrissake - Fu-Ling Yu. Foooo-ling You? Durrr if you respond to this asshole you're showing that you're a huge retard.

Re:Attention moderators

[Restil]

You were saying?

-Restil

Re:three questions ANSWERS

[Anonymous Coward]

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Question

[tomstdenis]

I have 2.4.21 installed right now, what branch is 2.6.0 based on?

I'll wait for 2.4.22 :-)

Tom

Re:Question

[Anonymous Coward]

Well :
- X.(2n+1) are development (unstable) branches, and - X.(2n+2) are stable branches, based on the unstable of the same X and n value.

So this basically means that 2.6 is based on the latest revision of the 2.5 branch.

Re:Question

[MrByte420]

2.4.xx is the current stable release 2.5.0 = the current relase of 2.4.xx at the time they started the development series The last 2.5.xx became 2.6.0-test1 which sooner or later becomes 2.6.0

Re:Question

[Anonymous Coward]

Be precise, tom. Since you're running your own kernel variant, it's proper to include the full version number. In your case, that's 2.4.21-manham

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[Anonymous Coward]

just one opinion

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[Anonymous Coward]

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[Anonymous Coward]

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SPARC64 seems to work

[tugrul]

I just built and booted it on my Sun Ultra 60. CONFIG_PREEMPT seems broken on SPARC64, but after I removed a redefined symbol in ffb_drv.c, everything else seems to work.

One interesting note is that the sun/type5 keymap/keyboard settings for the console/XF86Config don't work anymore. Had to revert to the kernel keymap for the console, and xfree86/pc101 for X11. Also had to change /dev/sunmouse::BusMouse to /dev/psaux::PS/2 in XF86Config, but the middle mouse button doesn't work now. Gonna figure out that later when I get a chance.

Re:SPARC64 seems to work

[Anonymous Coward]

I just built and booted it on my Sun Ultra 60. CONFIG_PREEMPT seems broken on SPARC64, but after I removed a redefined symbol in ffb_drv.c, everything else seems to work.

Beautiful. Hack here and there, code away without a plan until it "seems to work". This is basically the mentality behind linux coding. Famous quote:

Some systems seem to have the philosophy of "If it works, it's right". In that light NetBSD could be described as "It doesn't work unless it's right".

I know why I never look back and don't even miss it.

Re:SPARC64 seems to work

[Anonymous Coward]

Well, that's only true if you consider a dying OS like NetBSD to be "working" at all.

Re:SPARC64 seems to work

[Eil]

I'm not familiar with Sun hardware, but perhaps try 'IMPS/2' for the mouse type in XF86Config.

A minimum level of stability needed

[mnmn]

I use Linux for a very multipurpose server... SNAT, pppoe, tokenring+ethernet+atm+arcnet+slip, apache+php+perl, postgresql, Nvidia and hordes of other stuff I cant think of now. The test1 crashed for me as I was configuring the networking portions.

For setups like me, I couldnt test Linux beta versions. The server is really not mission-critical but I believe 2.6 will keep crashing for me till version say 2.6.15 or something. I'll be trying to add my contributions to the community but not at such an alpha stage.

Works under Debian Woody 3.0

[spaceturtle]

It worked under a completely unpatched Debian Woody DVD-R install, so I would say yes. I had some problem with VT support, but I think that was a configuration issue with the kernel rather than a dependancy problem.

Actually you don't need this much...

[oGMo]

You could use modutils and, say, gphoto2 along with a script to do it for you.

Since there's likely a specific USB driver, just insert a post-install line (post-install drivername command ) and when you plug it in, the module handler will start things going for you.

Since you're the one writing the script (which doesn't really have to be more than a gphoto command telling it where to put the pictures), you can make it as robust as you like... for instance, set up a file with camera ID to username mappings, and drop stuff in ~user/.photos-incoming or something.

If it's a camera that Linux sees as USB storage, the same thing pretty much holds, but you'll have to just run cp and put them where you'd like... no need to compile gphoto.

To bring this back on topic, I can't wait to check out 2.6, but I'm still in the middle of configuring test1. ;-(

You forgot...

[leonbrooks]

"Remove support for The SCO Group lawsuit"

"Emit mocking laughter when incoming TCP profile matches SCO UNIX"

"Increment World Domination progress meter when incoming TCP profile matches Linux"

Re:You forgot...

[Anonymous Coward]

How about DDoS sco.com, that is a module we all should load.

Re:You forgot...

[iendedi]

We could play an MS game and add:

"Randomly drop packets when incoming TCP profile matches MS Windows"

-- Seriously, I worked at Sun back in the days of Sun/MS warfare over Java and we were able to prove that Exchange servers would randomly drop emails going to or coming from sun.com... That was some bizarre shite...

You might be looking at it in the wrong way....

[NerveGas]

You're *exactly* the type of person who will make the best tester, precisely because it *will* crash for you. It's the tiny bugs that only show up under bizarre/rare combinations of features and usage that can be the most pesky.

Now, I'm not saying you should run a non-stable version on your server, but what about setting up a spare machine simply to replicate what's being done on your server?

Not only will it help out kernel development, it will also mean that you will get a stable kernel for your server sooner.

steve

Re:You might be looking at it in the wrong way....

[mnmn]

Thats exactly my point. The people who are in the best position to really test the kernel are the ones who require at least some level of stability to run at least for a few days before a crash. If I had a mission critical server, I'd just run 2.4.21. If I had redundant servers, I could run a test server in parallel, but I have one overloaded Pentium1 that connects 5 networks together and is a file/web/database/game server.

I ran some of the 2.5.x kernels on this, some of which actually worked and I submitted some bugs, most of which were reported already. I understand the importance of contributing back and enjoy being myself on the bleeding edge (I use samba 3 etc, most appications are beta), but struggling with a kernel that doesnt even compile, and one that does, but doesnt boot is complicated to deal with, and currently given my job, I dont have the time to work out patches or chase the bugs.

My point is that most of the contributions will be sent back to the team when the stability level is about the same as say 2.4.2, where people really want to use the new features and believe a FEW of the bugs need ironing out. After the major ones with 2.6.test2 has been ironed out, the team should expect a surge of bugreports and contributions.

Theyre doing an excellent job by the way. I've high hopes and expectations of 2.6

Re:You might be looking at it in the wrong way....

[NitroPye]

I do not know why so many people had issues with 2.5 even compiling. I ran 2.5 exclusivly on my gentoo machine. Granted I was using the mm patchset on the 2.5 vanilla kernel but I never once had an issue. Just some small changes systemwise (alsa and nvidia) for running it. I must say if you want to get into development of, or even testing of unstable kerenels look into gentoo, they make it incredibly easy with already included patches for the nvidia drivers on new kernels and so on. Only complaint I had is every 6 hours after an emerge sync i would have a new kernel sources update waiting to be installed.

Re:You might be looking at it in the wrong way....

[Anonymous Coward]

>I do not know why so many people had issues with 2.5 even compiling

Because they have different hardware than you.

Linux

[Anonymous Coward]

This is me while i fight the Linux kernel.

Re:Linux

[Anonymous Coward]

Was I the only one who had a hard time watching that all the way through?

I can't! I can't make it all the way through!

Re:Linux

[arkane1234]

Considering it was a wmv file, I had trouble, definately.

This is a start.

[AntiOrganic]

Now if they'd only get rid of that BitKeeper crap, with the project leader that insists on trying to screw us at every opportunity, we'd be set.

Re:This is a start.

[AntiOrganic]

I'm not trying to start a flamewar, just referring to this:

On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 03:51:36PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
> > If you are trying to copy BK, give it up. We'll simply follow in the
> > footsteps of every other company faced with this sort of thing and change
> > the protocol every 6 months. Since you would be chasing us you can never
> > catch up. If you managed to stay close then we'd put digital signatures
> > into the protocol to prevent your clone from interoperating with BK.

http://lkml.org/archive/2003/7/19/175/

Re:This is a start.

[darketernal]

Larry McVoy (the BitKeeper guy), you must admit, is in between a rock and a hard place. He's an honest guy trying to make a buck and keep it. But these days it's hard to market software to one of the earliest, really really big GPL'd projects. He is definitely marketing to the wrong crowd, specifically a crowd containing many Free software zealots.

Alan Cox refuses to use Bitkeeper, FWIW. But I kind of feel sorry for Larry...

Re:This is a start.

[10Ghz]

Yeah, how dare they use the best tool for the job!

How is McVoy "screwing people over"? He lets them freely use Bitkeeper. Some people then assume that that gives them the right to bitch and moan all the time about it and try to copy it's functionality. It seems to be that McVoy has done everything he could do to accomodate the needs of the Kernel-hackers (BK==>CVS-gateway etc.), yet some people keep on whining.

If BK is so bad, why don't you get up on your fat ass and write a better replacement?

2.6 is now available in Debian Stable!

[Anonymous Coward]

[This post was made at 13 May 2006]

Re:2.6 is now available in Debian Stable!

[Joey Vegetables]

Well, given all this SCO nonsense, it's funny that Debian may be the only Linux distribution *not* affected if a brain-damaged judge decides to rule that the 2.4.x series are illegal.

Alien pictures!

[ratfynk]

If you did plug a usb camera into a web server you might get to actually see the spaced out google eyed Martians that are really the reason why the Linux kernel works so well.

Issues not disscussed in kernel documentation

[spaceturtle]

Here are some issues not discussed in the kernel documentation, that need to be resolved before technical users who know nothing about the kernel (like me) will be able to test the kernel in any meaningful way...

How to configure support for Virtual Terminals?

Using an install straight from the Debian Woody DVD-R, it can compile, boot and get to X. However there is absolutely no output from "loading kernel...", to the start of X, and cntl-alt-f1 gets be to an unchanged screen, not a login prompt. I know that VT support is not enabled by default (why?), but enabling VT and console on VT does not make any difference. Same thing happens with Mandrake 9.1.

Are compile errors for default configuration OK?

I thought I may have accidentally removed something required for VT support. So I made a completely default install, i.e. "make config" and hold down enter for all questions. However, this would not even compile on gcc 3.95.4 from Debian Woody. Are drivers that don't even compile enabled by default, or is the statement in the docs that any gcc 3.95.x where x>3 will be ok, out of date?

Would getting the .config file from a working install of 2.6-test help?

If so do you have a link?

Why does make modules_install complain about missing dependencies?

Why doesn't it just make the dependencies? What are we meant to do about this?

Also, is NTFS write support ready for end-user testing in non-mission critical situations?

Re:Issues not disscussed in kernel documentation

[Anonymous Coward]

WTF..... gcc 3.95.4

Re:Issues not disscussed in kernel documentation

[vinsci]

In Linux 2.6 the old NTFS driver support was removed and new better code installed instead. The NTFS write support is there, but very, very limited; the only good use for NTFS write support I know about is Topologi-Linux, which allows you to run Linux installed in a large loop-mounted file on an NTFS disk (don't need to partition your MS Windows disk to try out Linux, yet get a full "normal" install).

See http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.htm l#write for more info on the old vs new NTFS support in Linux.

BTW, the kernel config help is outdated on this subject and gives seriously wrong advice. Hopefully we can fix that soon.

Re:Issues not disscussed in kernel documentation

[spaceturtle]

>WTF..... gcc 3.95.4 Doh... I meant gcc 2.95.4

Re:Issues not disscussed in kernel documentation

[|<amikaze]

However there is absolutely no output from "loading kernel...", to the start of X,

Is VGA Console support turned on?

Re:Issues not disscussed in kernel documentation

[Archie Steel]

About the console issue: is it a VGA console? If so, do you have a recent 3D card with 128MB of on-board memory and a system with 1GB+ of RAM? This has been a long-standing framebuffer bug for which a patched kernel is now available (2.4.21). I thought that this fix was included in 2.6, though. I hope so, otherwise I won't be switching until the patch for it is available...

Re:Issues not disscussed in kernel documentation

[Cooper_007]

The virtual terminals thing happened to me too.
Turns out that in the "Input Device Support" section, you must have "Input devices" compiled in. I had it set to module, and unfortunately that doesn't cut it.

Once you've set that, enter the "Character devices" section. At the top there will now be a "Virtual terminal" item which you can select. Once you've done that, you'll get the familiar scrolling of kernel messages.

I didn't get any compile errors, but then I went into the top level makefile (2.6.0-test1/Makefile) and changed all "gcc" and "g++" entries (3 total) to gcc-2.95/g++-2.95 which could account for something. You can also run "make V=1" to get the old, verbose output so you might get a better idea of what's causing the problem.

The dependencies thing I'm still working out myself. I suspect it's why the sound's not working yet.

In all, I'm quite pleased with 2.6.0-test1's performance on my system.

Cooper

Re:Issues not disscussed in kernel documentation

[Joey Vegetables]

Another issue I haven't seen discussed yet - which gcc version(s) should be used to compile the kernel?

raid

[thrift24]

Does anyone know if there is anything diffrent w/ xfs or raid in 2.6? I tried out 2.6 beta 1 with my striping raid which is all xfs(just software raid on hpt370 card)...When I booted into 2.6 my keyboard didn't work, so i booted back into 2.4.20 and my raid was absolutely insane(no files showing up), so I rebooted once more into 2.4 and it fixed itself...Anyone have any idea why that would happen, can I expect better behavior with 2.6 beta 2?

Well..that's nothing compared to..

[Anonymous Coward]

That's hardly nothing compared to Enlightenment desktop shell project's bandwidth usage since it changed it's look now! For those of you interested in it, check it out here!.

Re:Well..that's nothing compared to..

[Anonymous Coward]

What's the point? Duke Nukem Forever will be out before those guys finish DR17.

You know that you're a nerd when....

[sonicattack]

..you actually let out an a reverbing "Aaaah" when you read this kind of headline.

I didn't.

So OK, I did. But I was already running 2.6.0-test1-mm2 with the O9 scheduler patches.

Re:You know that you're a nerd when....

[darketernal]

For the record, O10int, the latest iteration of the orthogonal scheduler patches, is now available at kernel.kolivas.org/2.5.

People are raving about this one. I'd try it, but I'm kind of waiting for a 2.6.0-test2-mm1 which will probably include it anyway :)

And you're not a Linux kernel nerd until you echo subscribe linux-kernel | mail majordomo@vger.kernel.org :P

Grrr damned Linus and his timing

[DamnedMouse]

I just finished compiling and rebooted into 2.6.0-test1-bk3 and then went to check kernel.org to see if the 2.4.xx tree had changed to 22 stable and voila there it is -test2 and I was REALLY mad!
But I've compiled -test2 now and I hope it works -test1 did :)

A new kind of karma whoring...

[NightHwk1]

Grab kernel 2.6.0-test2 via Bittorrent here

Re:A new kind of karma whoring...

[ameoba]

You might want to consider setting one up when 2.6.0 hits

Exactly. This is Slashdot.

[JeanPaulBob]

Meaning only 5% of us actually use Linux.

Scheduler patch

[awptic]

The scheduler in 2.6 is still having some problems with interactive programs; XMMS skips frequently when switching desktops or running a CPU intensive program in the background. Ingo Molnar put together a patch which seems to fix this nicely, I highly recommend patching the kernel before using it if you're running linux on the desktop. the patch is available at http://people.redhat.com/mingo/O(1)-scheduler/sche d-2.6.0-test1-G6

Re:Scheduler patch

[GigsVT]

XMMS skips frequently when switching desktops or running a CPU intensive program in the background.

I get this with Red Hat 8.0 also on one of my boxes. Haven't tested to see if it does it on 9 too. 8.0 is unstable enough for me.

Re:Scheduler patch

[Anonymous Coward]

I though this was included in 2.6 ?? Confused ??

Re:Scheduler patch

[reaper20]

I had this problem with test1 but it seems that test2 has fixed it for me so far, no skips.

Re:Scheduler patch

[StarHeart]

Not sure exactly if it made a difference, but I am not running test2 with sched G6. xmms seems to be run much smoother.

Thank you for mentioning it.

Re:Scheduler patch

[Anonymous Coward]

Yea, I get the same problem in 9.

Re:Scheduler patch

[oever]

Why run G6 when there's G7?

Re:Scheduler patch

[XO]

XMMS skips frequently when switching desktops IF THERE IS NOTHING ELSE HAPPENING. It's amazing. The more load I put on the system, the less XMMS skips. :)

/.'ing soon... impending doom

[radoni]

with a link on /. to perens.com it won't be serving for much longer :)

good to hear fellows checking out the bold and for-all-good-purposes "experimental" kernels in real situations.

Re:/.'ing soon... impending doom

[suwain_2]

2.6 supposedly has way better file handling and overall handling under high loads. Maybe he's actually testing to see if this is true. ;)

Re:/.'ing soon... impending doom

[Bruce Perens]

I have been slashdotted many times. It's going to saturate both DSLs (768 Kbit and 128 Kbit) before the system has to work hard.

Bruce

Re:/.'ing soon... impending doom

[XO]

Yeah, that's the way it goes, Bruce. I've been telling people that for years, here on Slashdot.. it's always the bandwidth not the servers. My 486sx/25 could handle a slashdotting.. the network traffic would never get there enough to freak it out.

bad idea

[NightHwk1]

Ok, so kernel.org wasn't affected much..

I'm taking this torrent down due to lack of downloading.

WebHosting with 2.6 kernels

[rimu guy]

If you want to try out the new 2.6 kernel, I'd suggest you do it with User Mode Linux. You can load it up on your PC without having to change the host kernel and play around with all the cool 2.6 features.

Note: use the UML patch from the author, Jeff Dike, vs. what is in the kernel.org source which is old and crufty. Jeff's patches are much more up to date and more widely used.

BTW: if anyone out there wants to try out their hosting on a 2.6 kernel (just to see how it goes, or as part of a 2.6 testing program), then I'm making a 2.6 kernel option available on my UML hosted Virtual Private Servers.

Yes, SCO Does own Linux

[Anonymous Coward]

But I do to. And you. And the next person here. And so on. So does Bill Gates. Only problem is that Bill never learned to share.

I have yet to get this working...

[silvaran]

I've tried three of these, 2.5.74, 2.6.0-test1 and -test2. Every time I boot up the kernel (bzImage from arch/i386/boot) it says "Uncompressing linux... OK " and that's it. Nothing else. I would really love to get this to work out, especially the native ALSA support (my sound card works great under ALSA, not so great under OSS). I'm wondering if perhaps some of the stuff I've compiled in is inhibiting the boot process.

I have IDE support compiled right in, my CPU is set up correctly (x86/Pentium-II), I'm not using anything fancy like initrd et al, I have ACPI and APM enabled, nss what else I can mention.

Installed module-init-tools and converted over my old profile (just had two aliases for my network cards), depmod runs w/o any problems (I remembered to pass in the symbols for the new kernel).... argh.

Re:I have yet to get this working...

[Amon Re]

That is because you you didn't enable virtual terminals in your config. Make sure you have the options CONFIG_INPUT=y, CONFIG_VT=ys, CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=y and CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE=y.

Re:I have yet to get this working...

[Garion911]

Make sure you have Character Devices->SUpport for console on Virtual Terminal enabled.. If you don't, you wont see anything.. But you kernel actaully was booting.

Re:I have yet to get this working...

[Anonymous Coward]

taken from

http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-user@gentoo.o rg /msg12506.html

Also, note that you must compile in support for
* input devices (Input device support->Input devices),
* the virtual terminal (Character Devices->Virtual terminal),
* vga_console (Graphics Support->Console...->VGA text console)
* and the vt_console (Character Devices->Support for console...).
* Otherwise, you will get the dreaded "Uncompressing the Kernel"
* error.

Re:I have yet to get this working...

[silvaran]

Thanks Amon.. I had CONFIG_INPUT as module as I'm used to the old config organization in menuconfig -- thus I thought the input was related solely to USB. When it's disabled, you don't get prompted for virtual terminal or console on virtual terminal.

Thanks again :).

UML version of the kernel 2.6test2??

[uwh1]

Hi, did anybody try to compile the uml version of the kernel? I can not do it, I get a funny error: root@trabi linux-2.6.0-test2 # make linux ARCH=um make[1]: `arch/um/sys-i386/util/mk_sc' is up to date. CC arch/um/util/mk_task_kern.o In file included from include/asm/thread_info.h:13, from include/linux/thread_info.h:21, from include/linux/spinlock.h:12, from include/linux/capability.h:45, from include/linux/sched.h:7, from arch/um/util/mk_task_kern.c:1: include/asm/processor.h:66: `CONFIG_X86_L1_CACHE_SHIFT' undeclared here (not in a function) include/asm/processor.h:66: requested alignment is not a constant arch/um/util/mk_task_kern.c: In function `main': arch/um/util/mk_task_kern.c:13: structure has no member named `regs' make[1]: *** [arch/um/util/mk_task_kern.o] Error 1 make: *** [arch/um/util] Error 2 Does somebody have a clue what I do wrong? I thought, the uml version is an achitecture like x86, so the X86 stuff would not be needed. Uwe

You need a test server.

[Population]

Never try anything new on your production machines.

Have a test server configured exactly (or as close as you can get) like your production server.

Always test new software on the test machine before putting it on the production machine.

This is important whether you're running Linux or Windows or whatever. Even when you're testing new versions or updates of apache or PHP or perl or postgresql or whatever.

Running untested (by you) code on production servers is guaranteed to bite you eventually.

Just save yourself the lost time and headaches and get a test box.

Your time and data are worth far more than the cost on a test box.

Re:You need a test server.

[broeman]

bu then again, without any production the tests won't be comprehensive enough. Important stuff on a stable (file)server, and then use a unstable (when you are in the mood, multiple kernels is possible at boot) client machine with all your production happing (also servers). Linux has its power in the major testing happening for servers and desktops by the many users using it for daily work/play.

Re:You need a test server.

[HiThere]

I don't know about you, but I have about 6 computers, counting the one's that I can't allow to crash. And not one of them is the same as another. Different CPU models, different RAM sizes, diffe...

The better computers CAN'T be used for anything but work. The best computer is mine, so it's both work and development, but it needs to be stable enough and complete enough most of the time. And some of the applications needed only work with specific kernels. (Well, two of them. One I'm planning to put into VMWare and run it in emulation...but that means that the machine it runs on has to use a system version that will run VMWare.)

So I can test things on non-essential systems, but I can't test anything on the systems are are critical. I suspect that this is a quite common situation.

When it comes time to do an OS upgrade, I do it with trepedation. Get the software running on the OS version installed on a non-critical system (meaning underpowered). Test. Make the backups. Then try a test on the new system, and hope that it will work as well as on the test system. (And parts of this are always compressed under time pressure...there's never enough testing.) But I can't even *think* about testing on a new kernel until certain software works on that kernel.

I don't see a way around this. Sometimes it's always going to be..."We aren't ready enough, but the current testers aren't giving us any new information. So put it into wider circulation." (Paraphrasing Linus upon the release of the 2.4 kernel.)

Thank you goes to...

[inode_buddha]

James A.A. Joyce. I should have been keeping closer track I guess, but I was still trying to do 2.6.0-test1 with the -mm2 and the -int7 patches. Thx for the info, I'll get back to you on it!

FWIW, I read the kernel ML daily and I can say that the kernel team strongly desires end user feedback in the form of commentary and bug reports (not flames!)

They're looking for all the possible "oddball" cases (AKA "corner cases") and also for extreme loads such as huge files/filesystems, throughput, mem and net bandwidth, fs integrity, etc.

Regular users should participate; Linus has said that his focus is still on desktop usability and responsiveness. Anyone else who is interested should make sure to enable the -preempt option as well -- amazing performance!

Damn... now I need to try -test2.

Compiling It?

[suwain_2]

It's been ages since I last compiled a kernel (2.4.18 when it was 'hot off the press'), and I don't remember all the steps. (I always manage to get them in the wrong order.) Furthermore, the compiling instructions are apparently different for 2.6?

Searching on Google -- even with the "2.6" or "2.5" -- yields some instructions on 1.0 series kernels that trail on for pages and pages. Can someone post a verbose summary of how to build the kernel under 2.6? (I know the basics, of course. Just the make commands and such.) I doubt I'm the only one who would benefit.

Re:Compiling It?

[tkdack]

Untar kernel sources

cd /path/to/kernel/sources

make menuconfig
make bzImage modules modules_install

cp arc/[your arch]/boot/bzImage [appropriate place]

modify lilo/grub config, run lilo if required

get the new module-init-tools and install them (debian can apt-get them I believe, gentoo just emerge them)

reboot, enjoy.

Re:Compiling It?

[Anonymous Coward]

reboot, enjoy.

Um..... more like
reboot, be in hell for the next 12 hours.

Re:Compiling It?

[Anonymous Coward]

Go to the task bar; click on "Start" then "Linux Update"

Re:Compiling It?

[suwain_2]

Thanks a bunch. Can't wait to get started.

Re:Compiling It?

[Anonymous Coward]

$ make xconfig
$ make
$ make modules_install
$ make install

setup a lilo entry, run lilo. Done.

PARENT IS A GOATSE EMERGE SCRIPT!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

DO NOT1 TYPE1 EMERGE1 HOTPLUG111111!!!IT WILL L11OAD GOA4TS1E AS Y11OUR WALLP11APER AND CA11NNOT BE REM11OVED1!!!11111
11

111111111111111

Virtual terminals missing?

[cbiffle]

If your VTs are missing (and chances are pretty good that, if you can get into X, you can't start an xterm) you likely forgot to mount the devpts filesystem.

Try `mount -t devpts devpts /dev/pts` and see if that resolves it; if so, add the appropriate entry to your fstab.

Re:Virtual terminals missing?

[bartvh]

and how are you supposed to type that if you have no console and you can not start an xterm?

Re:Virtual terminals missing?

[Anonymous Coward]

Error: Keyboard not present. Press F1 to continue.

easter egg from long ago

[devphil]

Some versions would print:

$ make war
make: *** make love, not war

Re:easter egg from long ago

[Benley]

Make fuck, not kill!

(an old George Carlin joke if you haven't heard this before :)

Why don't they use bittorrent?

[Anonymous Coward]

Is there a reason they don't use bittorrent?

You'd think this would be the exact kind of thing that would benefit from a bittorrent addition. The bittorrent files could be generated automatically. And moreover, they're targetting the one demographic (people who would actually install the 2.6 prerelease test kernels) who would be willing to download an entire program just to download a 30 MB file quicker.

Re:Why don't they use bittorrent?

[__aavhli5779]

It's pretty clear that Bram's intention with BitTorrent was exactly for situations like this; a file is posted with a huge surge of immediate demand (i. e. slashdot linkage) and download speeds become intolerable.

I'm sure the kernel.org servers are quite formidable, but with a BT-based solution everybody could be happily downloading 2.6-test2 at a steady clip.

Re:Why don't they use bittorrent?

[Anonymous Coward]

http://www.freecache.org/

Re:Why don't they use bittorrent?

[Anonymous Coward]

Try http://alsutton.force9.co.uk/

It keeps track with releases :)

Re:Why don't they use bittorrent?

[SpeedBump0619]

It's pretty clear that Bram's intention with BitTorrent was exactly for situations like this; a file is posted with a huge surge of immediate demand (i. e. slashdot linkage) and download speeds become intolerable

The better question is why don't the slashdot moderators create BitTorrent links for such stories? Hmm, I guess that would imply a modicum of respect for the bandwidth usage foisted onto their targets, so nevermind.

Re:Why don't they use bittorrent?

[shaitand]

Perhaps the moderators are busy enough as it is?

Re:Why don't they use bittorrent?

[tjpromo]

Linux users and respect for others? I don't really see those two things going together. Most Linux users download music they didn't pay for, steal movies they didn't buy or rent, and spend as much time hacking Microsoft servers as they can to prove they are unreliable. So respecting bandwidth usage when your a college kid who still lives with his parents over the summer isn't something you often consider. Luckily dumb college kids never figure out how to hack through NAT so, I am doing fine. But I wouldn't expect sites to stop getting slash dotted anytime soon.

xosview problems?

[42forty-two42]

I tried running xosview, but it hung. gdb shows:

bdonlan@bd-home-comp bdonlan $ gdb `which xosview`
GNU gdb 5.3
Copyright 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "i686-pc-linux-gnu"...(no debugging symbols found)...
(gdb) run
Starting program: /usr/bin/xosview
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...

[time passes...]

^C
Program received signal SIGINT, Interrupt.
0x4017af39 in std::basic_istream >& std::operator>> >(std::basic_istream >&, char*) () from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.2.3/libstdc++ .so.5
(gdb) bt
#0 0x4017af39 in std::basic_istream >& std::operator>> >(std::basic_istream >&, char*) () from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.2.3/libstdc++ .so.5
#1 0x0805d6fb in strcpy ()
#2 0x0805d195 in strcpy ()
#3 0x080561d4 in strcpy ()
#4 0x08054949 in strcpy ()
#5 0x08055a9a in strcpy ()
#6 0x402217a7 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6

top shows it comsuming a lot of cpu time while it's hung.

Re:xosview problems?

[Anonymous Coward]

If top shows it using lots of cpu cycles then it is most likely creating an overflow you should report that to the dev people. The 2.6 might have a libc.so.6 runtime error with xosview, or it could be a common resource use conflict.

RPM stuff does not work with RH9 and 2.6.x

[Anonymous Coward]

Does anyone know how to fix the rpm stuff in RH9. When I try to double click in kde, I just some cpu usage and then nothing. It would seem I get this error message in messages

error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - Resource temporarily unavailable (11)
error: db4 error(11) from dbenv->open: Resource temporarily unavailable
no packages
rpmdb: unable to join the environment

Re:RPM stuff does not work with RH9 and 2.6.x

[CjKing2k]

You don't need kernel 2.6.x for RPM to break. I have this happening in my university department every time an RPM command is run and I can't find out why.

Re:RPM stuff does not work with RH9 and 2.6.x

[Anonymous Coward]

It works fine when I'm using 2.4.21. The rpm stuff works and the updatedb works ok. It's just in 2.6.x. 8*(

Re:RPM stuff does not work with RH9 and 2.6.x

[Anonymous Coward]

I just spent some time configuring options and compiling 2.6.0-test2 and have the same problem.

I had to roll back to 2.4.21 since this was a serious issue that I couldn't live with. So much for testing.

Re:RPM stuff does not work with RH9 and 2.6.x

[Anonymous Coward]

Have you "upgraded" glibc recently? I had similar problems when I applied the glibc patch to a redhat system. Of course, they don't tell you to use the "i686" version of the patch rather than "i386" so you can completely hose your system if you're not careful. Very poorly documented by Redhat.

Otherwise, try some chicken blood and a panicked email to Alan Cox. 8-)

changelog typo

[Tokerat]

• use enun instead of tons of #defines

Does the eNun have to take a vow or is it just pretend like Sister Act? ;-)
(Score: -1, Poster is a Dumbass)

Better tell me...

[SharpFang]

when/where to gfind a .deb - patched version - I'm not going to corrupt my dependencies...

Re:Better tell me...

[darketernal]

Dependencies? Nothing depends on a kernel-image-*...

Just build it from source, and install the bzImage, System.map, and modules, make symlinks, run lilo if that's how you do it, reboot, ..., PROFIT!

I can probably make-kpkg one, but I can't be arsed to right now.

Re:Better tell me...

[SharpFang]

Technically...

But lm-sensors, alsa, modutils, losetup, devfsd and several other packages are very kernel-specific and stuff depends on them. Some of them are strictly version-specific (install patches) and some are just required in new versions after certain threshold (since about 2.5.60 new version of modutils is needed.)

GNU/Linux. Computer.

[donsaklad]

For the type of neophyte consumer who might have considered an iMac, where can you buy a GNU/Linux computer other than Walmart already set up for the home user?...

mod parent up +5 insightful

[Anonymous Coward]

you know you want to.

What's new?

[0x12d3]

Anybody know of any neat new features?

Re:Exactly. This is Slashdot.

[Creepy Crawler]

That's what the web stats always said BEFORE slashdot went corporate.

It's quite embarassing that ONLY 5% of your user base, ON A PRO-LINUX SITE, uses Linux.

What it shows is, that Slashdot is a site where loosers TALK about Linux, not actually use it.

As one last note, the 5% statistic is the Worldwide average of Linux users is.

Other replys obvious troll are morons, wrong too

[Ayanami Rei]

USB mass storage is supported since late 2.2, as is the interesting "hotplug" interface.

Plug in the camera, and it appears as a SCSI disk. If you have autofs turned on, it should "just work".

With modern Gnome and KDE, it's as easy as plugging it in and double-clicking an icon that appears on your desktop.

Check the changelog...

[Ayanami Rei]

I think they unified a lot of the keyboard driving code and they may have attempted to remap type 5/6 keys into the USB scancode HID equivalents to make it easier for configuring X, etc.

(someone might want to correct me)

mousepad

[peripatetic_bum]

does anyone know why the synatics mousepad in most laptops does not work in 2.6?

Thanks all!

Re:mousepad

[ILEoo]

You have to update your XFree86 synaptic driver, see: http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index. html

Re:mousepad

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't know about you, but the problem w/ my Presario 1675 (kernel [2.5.53 - 2.6.0-test2]) is that the internal PS2 port is not even being detected. Not even w/ the event driver I'm able to read from the synaptics pad. 2.4.x kernels, even 2.4.21 works OK.

Re:mousepad

[ILEoo]

Did you remember to enable synaptic on kernel?

Re:Exactly. This is Slashdot.

[moncyb]

Pro-Linux site? I thought this was the anti-M$ one. Oh wait, this is just the fake bait site for trolls and M$ shills.... Nevermind. ;-)

If you are a MS windows junkie eat this!

[ratfynk]

Use windows update;
then watch as some app gets broken or your computer slows down to shit, and worst of all YOU CANNOT REMOVE YOUR shit ass windows update without a re-install. What Windows junkies do not know is that us poor stupid linux users can use more than one kernel config, we can tweak installs, reconfig stuff and customise to our hearts content, 2.6 is no different it just gives users the ability to try it out and find the bugs real fast. Keep watching how many get squashed with just this /. article. Then eat your heart out.

Re:If you are a MS windows junkie eat this!

[The Spie]

Use windows update; then watch as some app gets broken or your computer slows down to shit, and worst of all YOU CANNOT REMOVE YOUR shit ass windows update without a re-install.

Bullshit. That's what the rollback feature is for. And guess what? It's GUIed, simple to use, stated in clear language that EVERYONE can understand, and works perfectly. That's when you have to use it. I have used it a grand total of once since I installed XP a year and a half ago, and that was due to Stupid User Error rather than something being broken.

When was the last time you ran Windows, crunchie? Sure as hell wasn't XP (or even ME), otherwise you'd never have made such an asinine statement.

TS

Re:If you are a MS windows junkie eat this!

[nagora]

stated in clear language that EVERYONE can understand, and works perfectly.

Nothing is so clear that some idiot won't get confused and no piece of software of any complexity works perfectly.

When was the last time you ran Windows, crunchie? Sure as hell wasn't XP (or even ME), otherwise you'd never have made such an asinine statement.

Well, I don't know about "crunchie" but I gave MS 20 years to get it right before moving on. I don't see why they deserve any more chances than that.

TWW

Re:If you are a MS windows junkie eat this!

[The Spie]

Nothing is so clear that some idiot won't get confused and no piece of software of any complexity works perfectly.

Of course, you're not questioning the fact that rollback is there, which totally invalidates your first position. Playing sematic games with my response doesn't change the fact that you were wrong.

I gave MS 20 years to get it right before moving on. I don't see why they deserve any more chances than that.

Then why didn't you say that you were posting from past knowledge and put in a disclaimer that "I haven't run Windows since XXXX"? All you did by ignoring the rollback functions that have been in place since 1999 is make yourself look like a complete ass. And a crunchie.

Re:If you are a MS windows junkie eat this!

[nagora]

Of course, you're not questioning the fact that rollback is there, which totally invalidates your first position

You seem to be mistaking me for the OP. I was mearly pointing out that your statement is hyperbole. Which it still is.

What the hell is a crunchie (apart from a chocolate covered bar of honeycombe)?

TWW

you can keep your old kernel install too !

[ratfynk]

Sounds like another silly anon coward that replaced the kernel rather than doing the sensible thing and keeping the old 2.4 config as well. It is the first release it is going to take time. Read all documentation an the changes before config, and always back up your old kernel. The first law of Linux. This aint windows you have a choice! Oh sorry you could do that with XP, well sort of,

LVM 2 ?

[mbyte]

Anyone had success with 2.6.0-test* and LVM2-stable ? LVM2 allways bombs out with some strange compilation errors :(

NEW?

[Anonymous Coward]

So, whats new in this release, and is it worth it to recompile my whole system?

Re:Other replys obvious troll are morons, wrong to

[TrancePhreak]

With modern Gnome and KDE, it's as easy as plugging it in and double-clicking an icon that appears on your desktop.

Ewwww, how mac-ish. Isn't there some other way to have something like that show up? I like a clean desktop, except for the programs that hide it.

Let's just be friends

[CGP314]

We need to test those new kernels! Hop to it!

Why is this relationship always about you.

Re: Fannies

[Anonymous Coward]

I am also running it on my Vaio U-101 (a Pentium 4 600 sub-laptop that fits in a fanny-pack).

Guys please, I know what fanny means in America but here in the commonwealth lands it means something *very* different.

does software raid 10 work?

[Anonymous Coward]

filed bug report almost 3 months ago, was still broken in -test1.

Broadcom support?

[Anonymous Coward]

No support for Broadcom gigabit adapters yet! These are included on the Asus Deluxe motherboards, and are quite important for people like me :) The tg3 drivers seems to have replaced it but can't initialise. Does anybody know if bcm5700 is available for 2.6 anywhere?

BroadCom 4401

[Anonymous Coward]

The ChangeLog says that the b44 driver has been reworked and should work now. I didn't have time to test it yet.

Why dependancies don't work.

[spaceturtle]

I found why at least one of the symbol dependancies failed. The nvidia driver requires the symbol agp_memory_reserved. Adding the line
EXPORT_SYMBOL(agp_memory_reserved);
to generic.c fixes this. Presumably the other dependacies suffer a similar problem.

This raises an issue, why would Linus release a kernel with hundreds of missing EXPORT_SYMBOL statements for end-user testing. I can think of two answers:
1. Opps, well thats what testing is for.
2. These symbols are now private. If this breaks drivers, somebody should fix those drivers.

2 sounds more plausible to me.

Why sound isn't working.

[spaceturtle]

Also OSS is depreciated in 2.6. ALSA doesn't seem to support my sound card. Maybe using the depreciated OSS support would help.

And using the term...

[gosand]

Making 'make...' jokes is a sign that you haven't 'make whoopee''d in a long time...

And using the term "whoopee" is a sign you are 40+ years old.

Re:And using the term...

[spun]

No, using the term "make whoopee" is just a sign that you know how to "make joke" because "make love" had already been used and "make sex, make f**k, etc." don't "make sense."

Re:And using the term...

[gosand]

No, using the term "make whoopee" is just a sign that you know how to "make joke" because "make love" had already been used and "make sex, make f**k, etc." don't "make sense."

Sounds like "make redundant" then, if those terms had already been used.

Why no changelogs on kernel.org?

[daveman_1]

I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice the changelogs have been missing from kernel.org's home page over the last few releases of 2.6.0-test. In case anyone else is interested:

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=105 932590109238&w=2

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...

[gosand]

I don't lurk on the LKML. I don't know how many people here do, or how many would understand what they would read there anyway. I have a CS degree, and have been using Linux for several years now. I am not a kernel person. But wouldn't it be more beneficial to the Linux kernel to have more people use the test versions?

I would love to do some testing on the new kernel, but I don't download it. Why? Because to me, testing is not just using something. If I knew what was updated in the kernel, I could test it better. The changelog may have a good description of the change, or it may have a few word cryptic sentence. Without following the kernel list, or keeping up with every change, I am lost. I suppose I could wait for someone to post a summary of the changes, but that may not happen. I just don't understand why the information doesn't come from the kernel maintainer. Would it take that much more time to do a quick write-up of the changes, in addition to the changelogs?

So there will be comments like "Just wait for your distro to upgrade the kernel, n00b!" and other childish remarks. I wonder how many of those people actually upgrade their kernel and know what they are doing, or if they just do it to seem cool in their little online world. I'll bet most of them have no idea what they are doing. I at least admit that I don't see the need to test out development versions of kernels, because I haven't been given enough information to know what to test.

Even when new versions of the kernel are officially released, there is no good information about what has changed. Changelogs don't cut it. If it was some huge complicated thing, I would understand, but it would be trivial for the kernel maintainer to give highlights of the changes. That is where the information should come from, IMO. I am sure all the fanbois will take offense, but it is constructive critisizm, not bashing, and should be taken as such.

Noticed one thing

[UltraWide]

You do not have to run make dep anymore ..
And it seems like the modules get compiled at once as well.

Or am I wrong?

Re: 2.6 with USB external drives

[Jon Abbott]

I've been hoping that 2.6 allows me to boot off from my external USB/Firewire hard drive. The 2.4 series kernels (at least on my PC) won't recognize the drive until after INIT loads, which means that I can't have the root filesystem on the USB drive. I've heard that 2.5/2.6 fixes this, so right now I am in the middle of compiling the kernel for testing this out. If anyone else is curious about if this works or not, please reply to this post, and I'll reply back when I am finished testing things out. My end hope is to have a bootable CD that I can bring along with the enclosure, which would kickstart the Linux installation on the drive.

One more interesting thing to note about 2.6 -- when configuring the kernel, it doesn't disable ACPI power management when you disable the master power management setting. The first go-around with the kernel resulted in tons of ACPI error messages on boot-up.

Re:Exactly. This is Slashdot.

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah, that's what I've been saying all along. That's because there is lousy Hardware & Software support in linux. It's going to come down to the point of if you want to use a computer, you're going to have to use a M$ Product.

SCO may be right about their claims of IP theft in linux, and even if their isn't, how can it be prevented? It can't , so theres always a threat that there may be someones IP in the code, and don't give me any of that information wants to be free bull, because that just means you don't want to pay for anything.

I know, I know, you pay big time money for your hardware, but, if there was any way of ste^h^h^hcopying it like you can software, then you /.ers will do that as well, because you don't want to pay for anything. Just one more thing to say, THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH.

More than twice that large.

[autechre]

bobb:/# apt-get install emacs21
.
.
.
0 packages upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 156 not upgraded.
Need to get 13.2MB of archives. After unpacking 42.0MB will be used.

Eeesh. But yes, Debian is great for installing only what you need (you can even use auto-apt to install it as you need it). The base system doesn't even include less or man, last I checked. But that's OK since things are so easy to install.

Also note that newer Red Hat installers will not run on older machines, and I don't know if every distribution can be installed over a serial connection. So Debian may be a good choice for other reasons.

Re:More than twice that large.

[shaitand]

rh 9 will install without issue on a p1... if the box is older than that (actually if the box is older than a p2 400) it's cost me far more money to install the os than it did for the box anyway.

Re:More than twice that large.

[Pharmboy]

im putting rh9 on 4 different dual ppro 200s as we speak. (ibm pc server 325) with ram varying from 128mb to 512mb. It works slick as can be, and each can handle more traffic than a t1 can throw at it.

It DOES take a while to install, mainly do to older cdrom and scsi drives (8x and uw40, respectively) but its mainly do to the bloated nature of rh9, which insists on an install of at least 1gb if you DONT install X.

Personally, I still like 7.2 best. RH is getting feature bloat more and more with each release. Even apache 2.x that ships with it takes up an extra 4mb for the parent and an extra 100-200k nonshared for each instance unless you do alot of tweaking. thinking about downgrading to 1.3.x for my static stuff.

But yea, it runs well with just a little patience.

Re:More than twice that large.

[shaitand]

I agree about the bloat, on the other hand rh 9 marks some important differences in time (for me at least). Mostly in terms of defaults. Cups is default now, postfix, etc. I'm a lazy sob and normally install on p4's not p1's, and drive space is cheap. So for me at least just the time saved by them picking a few better defaults makes it a better choice than 7.2, 7.2 either I custom it, or uninstall half the system and install the appropriate packages. It was alot more trim though.

Usually in place of 7.2 I'll install clarkconnect, which is actually 7.3, picking no options. Kill their admin interface and install webmin, and further customize from there (clarkconnect already uses alot of the same defaults rh9 does but doesn't really give you much of anything in terms of custom install. You just point apt-get at a better repository and your set :)

Re:More than twice that large.

[Pharmboy]

actually, due to redhat's recent decision to NOT support OSs 1 year after a new version comes out (even tho I PAY for the service, direct to redhat) I may be moving to another distro anyway. Debian is one obvious choice. Part of the problem is that I, just like you, am very lazy, and like the easy install of RH.

Typical to bitch that way, I just simply want my cake and eat it, too ;)

Re:SI

[E_elven]

It could in theory have been Kelvin-barns.. so it'd be something like 10^-28 m^2 per second at 57 Kelvins -this clearly refers to the areaic speed of electric current on a wafer in a good temperature.

Re: 2.6 with USB external drives

[Jon Abbott]

OK, now for the update... For anyone who is curious, using a stock 2.6.0 when trying to boot a USB device doesn't work (at least on my system). Here is a document that explains the reasons why -- there isn't enough delay before INIT starts to load. The solution is to add a patch to the kernel that continually retries loading, at one second intervals.

I know it was flamebait, but oh well.

[JeanPaulBob]

SCO may be right about their claims of IP theft in linux, and even if their isn't, how can it be prevented? It can't , so theres always a threat that there may be someones IP in the code

As people have pointed out time and time again, this threat is always there, whether you're dealing with open source or closed source. The difference is that open source provides accountability; the code is out there in the open for anyone to see. If there's an IP violation, it can be caught.

With closed source, that accountability just isn't there. Microsoft could be copy-and-pasting the entire Linux kernel into XP, ME, or 2K, except for the fact that they crash too much.

Though I suppose they could have a crashAtRandomInterval() method as camouflage... Hot dog! I'm onto something here. I gotta blow the lid on this thi>SDnaI&n389cK8kd(FK#ld9:f3]}"#l

NO CARRIER

Re:Exactly. This is Slashdot.

[iendedi]

Meaning only 5% of us actually use Linux.

Err.. no.. I think it means that only 5% of us either work on the kernel or, alternatively, are stupid enough to patch our kernel everytime a new patch is released...

S-ATA

[xjqkojqxj]

What is the state of S-ATA support, with and without RAID?

Re:Exactly. This is Slashdot.

[JeanPaulBob]

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Admittedly, it was pretty sickly to begin with...

RTC access

[rompe]

Did you compile RTC access for applications into the kernel and configured XMMS to use it? That helps a lot, even on slow systems.

Would a 4 proc SS1000E help you out?

[SHEENmaster]

I recently acquired one at auction. Contact me if you're interested in it.

MOD PARENT UP INSIGHTFUL

[Anonymous Coward]

I concur!

cryptoloop subsystem?

[Jerk City Troll]

I tried 2.6.0-test2 today and I am a little confused. It appears to have cryptoapi+cryptoloop built in, but I am unable to mount my encrypted file systems. I've been using kernel crypto to mount physical disks through a loopback cipher for some time now using util-linux 2.11. What changed in 2.6 that the old technique for doing this no longer works. Is util-linux 2.12 required to make this work? Any help?