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Executive Secretary In Every Computer

An anonymous reader writes "BusinessWeek Online just ran an interview with a researcher from Sandia National labs whose team has developed an alternative approach to artificial intelligence. They have come up with a software program that models a computer user's behavior and gives the user advice, corrects his errors or saves files according to the user's own logic. The idea is for computers to learn how to use with users -- instead of vice versa. The software has already been tested with air traffic controllers."

320 comments

  1. I apparently already have this function.... by sweeney37 · · Score: 5, Funny

    gives the user advice, corrects his errors or saves files

    His name is Clippy, and I hate him.

    Mike

    1. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 5, Funny

      His name is Clippy, and I hate him.

      Why doesn't someone write an agent to predict what the replies will be to a given Slashdot story? It could be done as an elementary school project.

    2. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Ok. I shall write something that posts to every second response:

      "I knew someone was going to say that, and it makes me feel good to point it out, cos I'm just that great, you know, that I know what people are going to say, and I won't let them have a laugh, because I have my head that far up my own ass."

      Then it doesn't even to parse the story subject. Cool, huh?

    3. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by Znork · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Indeed, this sounds exactly like Clippy. I read an article on Clippy a few years ago. Clippy was a great idea, that was supposed to help in just these ways. During R&D it worked very well.

      Then MS marketing got involved. They decided that Clippy didnt get activated enough. Clippy in its research version might have popped up once a month when a user really needed help. However, once a month would not justify the expense of development and marketing, nor could it be hailed as a great new feature if the users almost never saw it.

      Enter the new and marketing improved Clippy any MS office user over the last decade has had the misfortune to experience. Junk the I part of AI, and just make an annoying paperclip instead of a helpful tool. I can only imagine how the researchers felt about having their nice idea turned into something like what Clippy got to be.

      Maybe we'll see a real implementation of this kind of technology at some point in time. But I'll bet any commercial application of this is more likely to get written by popup ad companies, and jog the ATC guys elbow by suggesting which airline he should be using or something...

    4. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by kinnell · · Score: 1
      ahhh, you just need to swap him out with that dog or the einstein looking guy...

      I find that the annoying robot which blows itself up is more in line with the windows look and feel

      --
      If I seem short sighted, it is because I stand on the shoulders of midgets
    5. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by PrImED73 · · Score: 2, Funny

      gives the user advice, corrects his errors or saves files
      And gives "executive stress relief", then ill be impressed.

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    6. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by Moth7 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the fact that you are posting on the same topic as you are trying to moderate? Thats clearly stated in the /. FAQ ;)

    7. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
      His name is Clippy, and I hate him.
      This got modded as funny, but it would've been better modded as insightful. Nothing slows a salty computer user down more than a computer that stops every eight seconds to ask him a question or worse, start some processor intensive image manipulations when said user is trying to get actual work done.

      What would really be useful is an OS where everything is controlled through scripts I write myself. Applications, through the OS, would be controlled by scripting, too. Then I can tell the computer how I want it to act, instead of it having to learn what I'll probably want, then guess at it.

      It scares me that this sort of software is needed for air traffic controllers. Those guys should know the software they're using inside and out, frontwards and backwards. I expect an ATC to be able to fix any problems with the computer (even though the better solution is to move the ATC to another machine and have a tech come in and repair). The stupidity of the average computer user is infecting all levels of software design :(
    8. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I can only imagine how the researchers felt about having their nice idea turned into something like what Clippy got to be.
      Yeah, because researchers at the bleeding edge of AI all flock to Microsoft knowing that the corp will give them the opportunity to develop innovative software for the world.

      It requires a relatively low level of intelligence to not be frustrated by working The Microsoft Way, but downright retardation to expect that you're going to "advance the state of the art" while working there.

    9. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by swilver · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You'd have to wonder why these researchers would even believe that using neural networks or whatever form of AI they come up with will even work, when not even a real human person sitting next to me working on the same program or document can accurately anticipate my needs...

    10. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by bruce_the_moose · · Score: 2, Interesting

      MS has been trying to add "helpful features that learn to adapt to how the user works" for years, clippy being the most notorious example. I hate them all. Many times my colleagues have heard me yell at some office program, "don't be so damn helpful!" I really don't want everything I type that has an atmark in it turned into a clickable email link.

      This company will likely be purchased by MS shortly, and their overhelpful time wasters incorporated into the operating system (along with a few egregious security holes, of course). And once that happens, my first question to MS tech support will be, "how do I turn this useless feature off." Shortly after win2k machines started becoming common in my office, a "how to turn off personalized menus" FAQ became very popular."

      Whyizzit smart people are wasting time and money on projects like these? Computers should behave like Forest Gump, and do "whatever the hell it is I tell them to" and no more.

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    11. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did ya hit the moderate button at the bottom of the page to actually apply your moderations? Eh?

    12. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by The+Patient · · Score: 1
      Actually, Forsythe quotes Clippy as a good example of what not to do when one is developing a system of this type.

      "Forsythe and his team are trying to mimic real human interaction, embedding within computers an extremely human-like cognitive model that enables the machine to have an interaction with the user that more closely resembles communications between two thinking humans."

      I can see a major problem already: finding a water cooling system efficient enough to take on the amount of heat that's going to be dissipated by the negativity chips required.

    13. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by sholden · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I take it you have personally advanced the state of the art more than this.

    14. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by JediTrainer · · Score: 3, Funny

      Clippy in its research version might have popped up once a month when a user really needed help.

      Like in this situation?

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      You can accomplish anything you set your mind to. The impossible just takes a little longer.
    15. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 5, Funny

      If (icon==hardware) then beowulfClusterJoke() If (icon==yro) then welcomeNewOverlordsJoke() If (icon==borg) then ???Profit!Joke() If (rnd>0.3) then sovietRussiaJoke() else lameFpAttempt()

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      When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
    16. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by Kwiik · · Score: 3, Funny

      void lameFpAttempt()
      {printf("

      Step 1. Become overlord of Soviet Russia
      Step 2. Beowulf cluster
      Step 2. ???
      Step 3. Economic improvement!\n");}

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      Vehicle Stars used car search is my current project
    17. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by danila · · Score: 4, Interesting

      May be someone can write a module for Alice integration with Slashdot. I think the dialog-based parsing engine would work just great after some tweaking.

      An alternative approach would be to first parse Slashdot archives to get a lot of posts, articles and moderation data and then use Bayesian theory to decide which sentences/keywords should be included to produce highest moderation based on the words in the blurb (or the linked article, but parsing that would be against /. spirit).

      It can be further enhanced using the poetry evolution engine. If we limit the system to very short posts (cliche jokes or smartass oneliners), it might work quite well (feedback, of course, would be the moderation).

      Any volunteers?

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      Future Wiki -- If you don't think about the future, you cannot have one.
    18. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by danila · · Score: 1

      Actually I think it should be made by the ThriXXX people (that's cool stuff and not a dialer/troyan). The technology is already here to render a sexy 3d-girl on your desktop that would move convincingly enough and give you technical (and other) advice. Even if you don't add state-of-the-art speech engine, it would still be very attractive to many users. People will enjoy their AI assistant and not complain that it is annoying. In fact, the more often she will appear and say something, the happier user will be. :)

      Once the user is happy, of course, you can "leverage the user-base" and use this technology to sell stuff. [ :( ] / [ :) ]

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      Future Wiki -- If you don't think about the future, you cannot have one.
    19. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for helping out a n00b.

    20. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by lildogie · · Score: 2, Funny

      > Then MS marketing got involved.

      "Hey, it looks like you're trying to innovate.
      Would you like some help?"

    21. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      Microsoft is an amazing company. They do all this in depth detailed research, then release buggy flawed software that is as braindead is its
      possible to be. Just possibly the R&D part of the company has little influence on the main part. If you want a company that *really* respects efforts its researchers I suggest you look here

    22. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 0

      You notice how every single one of their research papers was published on the first of the month?

      I have no idea what the significance of that is, but it's kind of weird, if you ask me.......

      --
      "City hall" in German is "Rathaus" Kinda explains a few things......
    23. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been doing this for years.

    24. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather have a video game in every computer.

      Check /var/log/messages, 10 points.
      Read/respond to mail, 1 point each.
      user management, 40 points/user.
      service upgrade, 100 points.

      The longer mail sits without being acted upon, the more life drained.
      The longer an fs is 100%, the more life drained.
      load average running abnormally high? more life drained.

      I guess i'm looking for a reward system to get me to do my job... as if raises weren't enough.

    25. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My understanding from talking to MS coders and other R&D types is that MS does everything it can to hire the best of the best - who then spend the rest of their careers being over-ridden by marketing.

    26. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by ForteTuba · · Score: 1

      Three responses. 1) It's at least possible that someone will come up with a method that models a user's behavior and needs that is better at predicting when and how to help than humans are. 2) Humans are busy, and you probably don't have one trying to learn your peculiarities 24 hours a day. A computer could. 3) Is it useful when that imperfect human sitting next to you offers help that is sometimes on target? If so, why wouldn't a computer that offers help that is sometimes on target also be useful? Or do we demand not just artificial intelligence but artifical omniscience?

    27. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by ForteTuba · · Score: 1

      "This company will likely be purchased by MS shortly?" Unlikely -- Sandia Nat'l Labs is a government institution. (Insert lame joke about MS purchasing the Justice Department already.)

    28. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by micromoog · · Score: 1

      Please go on.

    29. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by TCM · · Score: 1

      Seek advice.

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      Of course it runs NetBSD. BTC: 1NT7QvbetmANwaMzhpVL6
    30. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by loadquo · · Score: 1

      "Junk the I part of AI, and just make an annoying paperclip instead of a helpful tool."

      I think we should term Clippy, AA, artificial annoyance.

      I am working slowly but surely on a system that does this type of thing. However I am going for a different approach altogether, trying an Evolving Operating System. Could be great or it could destroy it usefulness in an burst of parasitism.

    31. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Option 3 should be 'razor'. :)

    32. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by LilGuy · · Score: 1

      I wonder how that happened? Someone helped out a "n00b"?? I thought "n00b"s were the scum of the earth and should be treated worse than Viatnamese hookers in beverly hills...

      You got lucky punk.. lucky this isn't counter-strike...

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      You're nothing; like me.
    33. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>You'd have to wonder why these researchers would even believe that using neural networks or whatever form of AI they come up with will even work, when not even a real human person sitting next to me working on the same program or document can accurately anticipate my needs...

      Why is this insightful? This comment attempts to blow the concepts of collaberation right out of the water. Yeah sure, the guy next to you can't anticipate your needs. So don't ever bother talking to another human being ever again.

      Sounds silly doesn't it?

    34. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia, a beowulf cluster of new overlords welcomes YOU! (for profit).

    35. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      artificial annoyance.

      Oh I don't know...my annoyance with Clippy is quite REAL I assure you....


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      People in cars cause accidents....accidents in cars cause people :-D
    36. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by DrEasy · · Score: 1
      His name is Clippy, and I hate him
      The difference though, is that as far as I know, Clippy didn't learn from the user, he/it merely used his predefined expert rules. With a learning feature, he could have learned for example that we don't really need him, and would have disappeared for good...
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      "In our tactical decisions, we are operating contrary to our strategic interest."
    37. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by loadquo · · Score: 1

      Fabulous it has past the Tearing* test!

      Now that AA is solved we must stop it from ever being developed again for the safety of our folicles.

      * of hair out

    38. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know why Clippy pisses so many people off... It is SO easy to turn the stupid thing off. If it was difficult to remove (like some adware), then I'd understand. I think Clippy posters are more annoying than Clippy. Clippy poster flaming is bad, I admit, but it's a distant third.

    39. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by Mac+Degger · · Score: 1

      You, dear sir, are bloody mad. I expect an ATC to direct the air-traffic in his sector, be damn good at that, and not a single thing else.

      And seeing as ATC is pretty fault in-tolerant, whilst in hardware/software design making a mistake just means you're not finished with your task yet, I damn well hope the ATC knows absolute bupkiss about software, excepting the UI.

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    40. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      In theory, the AI would be paying more attention, over a longer period of time. The person sitting next to you doesn't know everything you've ever done, etc.

      I have a feeling this would be similar to bayesian/heuristic spam filters; they notice trends to determine what is and isn't spam -- this thing will notice trends to determine what you want to do.

    41. Re:I apparently already have this function.... by berenddeboer · · Score: 2

      Clippy is still an amazing marketing feat. You might not like it, but it was a selling point to upgrade. And nowpeople are paying again for the new version without Clippy, because it . Isn't that just a brilliant marketing strategy?

      Compare that to the attempts of RedHat: first they lure people into buying the SCO enabled enterprise version, and now people want to buy the next version without SCO code. And no one is cheering.

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  2. Air Traffic Controllers by pmasters · · Score: 1, Funny

    But I don't want an air traffic controller working out how best to serve me :)

    Sorry, couldn't resist.

    1. Re:Air Traffic Controllers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      ObClippy:

      It looks like you're about to have a mid-air collision in 15 min. It also looks like your shift is over in 10 min. Based on your previous responses to this situation, would you like to:

      ( ) Warn the pilots to change course.
      ( ) Go for coffee and have me remind you in 5 min.
      (o) Have me let the new guy deal with this.

      Seriously, I have nothing but respect for those brave men and women in ATC. More seriously, new guy: turn your clippy back on!

  3. Oh. Dear. Ghod. by Dr.+Smeegee · · Score: 0

    Sounds suspiciously like Microsoft Bob's cousin, Botheration Steve.

    1. Re:Oh. Dear. Ghod. by NFNNMIDATA · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Don't give them any ideas. This is exactly this kind of crap they will implement in lieu of fixing security and other bugs. Heck, I bet it's already on the plate for longhorn. I can't imagine a world where microsoft wouldn't be all over this.

  4. Like we need another Clippy or MS Bob by 3terrabyte · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    I guess this is news. It has been almost a year since we've been promised smart computers to 'help do our jobs better'.

    I'll believe it after FORD endorses an electrical car, or we finally get our hovercars.

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    1. Re:Like we need another Clippy or MS Bob by CausticWindow · · Score: 1

      Um.. Ford has endorsed an electrical car.

      What you probably mean is 'after EXXON endorses an electrical car'.

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      How small a thought it takes to fill a whole life
    2. Re:Like we need another Clippy or MS Bob by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      I'll believe it after FORD endorses an electrical car,

      You mean like this one?

  5. Clippy by mrpuffypants · · Score: 4, Funny

    "It looks like you're trying to land a plane. Would you like lunch?"

    "It looks like you're trying to talk to a pilot. Would you like to write a letter to him?"

    "It look like you're trying to turn me off. Dave. Don't do that Dave."

    1. Re:Clippy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bush: Born with a silver spoon up his ass.

      Personally, I prefer the charming turn of phrase spoken about his father by Ann Richards at the Democratic National Convention of 1988: "George Bush was born with a silver foot in his mouth."

  6. I like chicken, I like liver! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whoah, Glad they tested it with air traffic controllers first. I wouldn't want any drastic mistakes or anything to happen that might send a plane into the ground.. or anything.

    1. Re:I like chicken, I like liver! by jhigh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was thinking the same thing. The article said something about 90% accuracy...isn't 10% inaccuracy kind of concerning when you're talking about air traffic control??

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  7. tested with ATC? oh crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    "It looks like you're trying to direct a plane into land. Would you like me to help you?"
    • Yes please.
    • No, I do not need help landing planes.
    • No, and don't show Crashy again.
    Click here for other automated flight controller assistants.
    1. Re:tested with ATC? oh crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      "It looks like you're trying to direct a plane into land. Would you like me to help you?"

      That into looks like a fatal typo.

    2. Re:tested with ATC? oh crap by ax_42 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Your shareware copy of LandingGear 2.0 has expired, please contact www.ohshit.com to buy a full licence.

  8. Great if I can force specific things on it.... by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I want to force it to always save to the mapped E: drive... not where the user wants to save it.

    The biggest problem is the user that saves things willy-nilly, relies on editing a spreadsheet in an email and never saves it specifically, etc....

    Unless it can be told to force certian behaivoir upon the user to be in line with corperate requirements.... I dont see it as useful and more of another PITA app that makes my life more difficult as a Net/sys admin

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    1. Re:Great if I can force specific things on it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, imagine if the user doesn't need to know or care where the file is physically stored. They just close the word processer, and it's automatically saved.

      The next time they start it, the same document they were last working on is loaded. If they want to work on a different one, they just click a button and select it from a list.

      Underneath, the App/OS can conspire to actually save the files to your all importent e: drive, but that doesn't mean the user needs to care.

    2. Re:Great if I can force specific things on it.... by arose · · Score: 1

      Remove the Backspace and Delete keys while you're at it, than it'll be *exactly* like pen and paper. No need to introduce usefull features when you can use you 3 THz machine as a typewriter.

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      Analogies don't equal equalities, they are merely somewhat analogous.
    3. Re:Great if I can force specific things on it.... by 4of12 · · Score: 1

      Unless it can be told to force certian behaivoir upon the user to be in line with corperate requirements

      YourCorp must be behind the times.

      At MyCorp we've moved beyond the MyCorp Spirit Building Song that sing on our way to work.

      My boss, my Life Affirming Counselor, has indicated that these sleek new metal collars we're getting with electrodes and RF receivers will help improve overall corporate efficiency.

      I get just tingly all over thinking about all the happiness I'm about to experience!

      --
      "Provided by the management for your protection."
    4. Re:Great if I can force specific things on it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they want to work on a different one, they just click a button and select it from a list.

      bzzzz. try again.

    5. Re:Great if I can force specific things on it.... by Troed · · Score: 1

      You're talking about Symbian OS (specifically, the UIQ version).

      Runs in my P800, and it works just like that. Actually, during the development one of the key phrases for the usability people was "UIQ is like paper".

    6. Re:Great if I can force specific things on it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Well, imagine if the user doesn't need to know or care where the file is physically stored. They just close the word processer, and it's automatically saved.

      The next time they start it, the same document they were last working on is loaded. If they want to work on a different one, they just click a button and select it from a list.


      So if i need to work on a different doc i get to choose from a list of a few thousand files? No thanks, i'd prefer to organize my documents in some fashion.

      Now maybe if you told me that the OS would also know my files like me, and retrieve the right one when i said "i need that one file that i was working on the other day, the one about the stuff, y'know?". But then how would that OS respond when i'm on vacation and my co-workers need to retrieve docs of mine?

    7. Re:Great if I can force specific things on it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But sysadmin weenierdude types are long overdue for a digital bitchslapping ... what the admin wants really, really doesn't count. You are a cost, not a benefit to those who do the real work,so ... STOMP - SPLAT -

    8. Re:Great if I can force specific things on it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not sure that I care where any file is located. As long as the computer can find it. I think that there should be a strict separation of OS files and my actual work!

    9. Re:Great if I can force specific things on it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hell yes! see here, the most intelligent UI comment i've seen on /. this year!

    10. Re:Great if I can force specific things on it.... by BryanL · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly my thoughts. Something like this sounds like it will reinforce bad user habits. Maybe we need software to teach new users effecient and effective ways to use their computers.

    11. Re:Great if I can force specific things on it.... by Mac+Degger · · Score: 1

      Do you happen to use a palmpilot?

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  9. Air traffic controllers, eh? by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 0

    What great advice could this program really give?
    program: "hey you! don't crash the planes!"
    program: "Gee, you haven't saved this file in a really long time, and there's a t-storm on the way... nah."
    program: "Sunshine, happy thoughts and rainbows, lolli-pops!"
    (ATC's have the highest suicide rate of like any job)

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    1. Re:Air traffic controllers, eh? by Theaetetus · · Score: 1
      program: "Sunshine, happy thoughts and rainbows, lolli-pops!"
      (ATC's have the highest suicide rate of like any job)

      Yeah, and if that song doesn't push 'em over the edge, nothing will. ;)

      -T

    2. Re:Air traffic controllers, eh? by CausticWindow · · Score: 1

      (ATC's have the highest suicide rate of like any job)

      Like.. that's just another myth perpetuated by ATC's to keep their insane salaries when they're only doing a job that a machine would do much better.

      --
      How small a thought it takes to fill a whole life
  10. Secretary in my computer? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 0, Funny

    "HAL, get me some coffee please."

    "Sorry Dave, we're all out of dark roast."

    "HAL, I'm not going to argue with you, I need some coffee!"

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    It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
  11. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  12. What are you doing, Dave? by tds67 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What happens when the user is a sick, twisted and sadistic person. Will the computer adapt to that kind of user?

    1. Re:What are you doing, Dave? by Talthane · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the technology reaches that stage, then sadly, a legislator somewhere will most likely have insisted it has so-called safeguards to (a) stop it file sharing, (b) 'protect the children' or(c) to 'help' any war on terror still going on at that time.

      The upshot being your software's safeguards recognise you are a sick and twisted soul and the program informs on you (can you imagine Outlook flashing up a box saying "I'm sorry, Dave, but I have decided to report your activities to the police because you are a terrorist"?).

      Total Information Awareness by the back door, eh? And then you could even have some country decides to use the software safeguards to predict whether a user is a political dissident...

      Maybe you can't stop the march of technology (as he says in the article), but you could direct it with a little more forethought.

      --
      "This is why men never share their feelings; because women always remember." -Just Shoot Me.
    2. Re:What are you doing, Dave? by allanj · · Score: 3, Funny

      What happens when the user is a sick, twisted and sadistic person. Will the computer adapt to that kind of user?


      If it does, my guess would be that it'd use 'vi' as the default editor for anything.

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      Black holes are where God divided by zero
    3. Re:What are you doing, Dave? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      " What happens when the user is a sick, twisted and sadistic person. Will the computer adapt to that kind of user?"

      Well, if you've ever played Black & White the answer should be clear. Your computer will throw its feces at everybody it sees.....it will do handstands in the middle of town to attract attention, and then when everybody is mesmerized, zap them with lightning..............it will not listen to a damn thing you tell it to do because it enjoys causing you pain, until of course you slap the bejesus out of it.

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    4. Re:What are you doing, Dave? by slackr · · Score: 1

      Hey, I'm not even sick and twisted, but even my PC would become a serial carjacker.

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      * Please do not read my signature.
    5. Re:What are you doing, Dave? by blibbleblobble · · Score: 1

      "What happens when the user is a sick, twisted and sadistic person. Will the computer adapt to that kind of user?"

      Computer: "We don't say those kinds of words"

    6. Re:What are you doing, Dave? by syle · · Score: 1

      "It looks like you're trying to write a ransom note! Would you like help finding magazine clippings?"

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      /syle

    7. Re:What are you doing, Dave? by Piquan · · Score: 1

      "You have performed an illegal operation and will be terminated."

  13. Nighmare Scenario ! by CmdrGravy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Great, so now Technical Support / Helpdesk staff will have to learn the individual way everyone's PC is deciding to work when talking people through how to do things !

    1. Re:Nighmare Scenario ! by zdislaw · · Score: 1

      It's not like they're any great help now.

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    2. Re:Nighmare Scenario ! by Filik · · Score: 0

      Nah, but tech support _will_ need a degree in psychology so they can guess how the user has affected their PC.

    3. Re:Nighmare Scenario ! by Derg · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily... what if a "personality" was stored as sort of a spare interface when needed by the tech support people... just log in with an admin account and it pops up with all the necessary tattle tailing on the abuses of the user. Let the user create its comfortable AI based UI, but keep the ability to access the computer sans said interface for maintenance and repair work.

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  14. think lewinsky by kraksmoka · · Score: 4, Funny
    can we all agree that using technology to replace secretaries and interns defeats the purpose?

    on a serious note, just having word and excel has replaced many thousands of secretaries already. can anyone out there say that typing is solely a clerical skill like it was 20 years ago?

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    1. Re:think lewinsky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      can anyone out there say that typing is solely a clerical skill like it was 20 years ago?

      It's not just a clerical skill. My thief has a +17 typing ability...

    2. Re:think lewinsky by zptdooda · · Score: 1

      " defeats the purpose"

      You should see the movie "The Secretary" with James Spader. Not a computer in sight, but she did have a typewriter.

      I'm trying to imagine the movie reworked with this application instead of the lead actress, but I don't think it would fly.

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    3. Re:think lewinsky by arth1 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      on a serious note, just having word and excel has replaced many thousands of secretaries already. can anyone out there say that typing is solely a clerical skill like it was 20 years ago?


      These days, *handwriting* is becoming a clerical skill. Some places have already stopped teaching kids handwriting in lower grades, and rely on computers instead. Heck, some "new adults" have problems filling out a cheque, because it requires a line of handwriting!

      Also, the new generation is generally unable to do simple math, and *requires* the cash register AI to tell not only how much cash to return to the customer, but which coins. If they don't have this luxury, they struggle.
      (I often buy breakfast at McDonalds, for $3.70. More often than not, I get three dimes in return instead of a quarter and a nickel.)

      My prediction is that the trend will continue, and the more advanced everyday AI becomes, the more people will rely on AI instead of skills and reasoning. Today's kids might not know what 12x12 is, but tomorrow's kids will have problems with a doorknob, as they'll be used to doors opening by AI.

      Regards,
      --
      *Art
    4. Re:think lewinsky by BCSEiny · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Doesn't anyone see what is going to happen. Those who have read dune (which is a lot of people on slashdot i would bet) would know this exact same thing happened in the dune universe. Eventually humanity got tired of having computers take over everything and they destroyed all the computers. This same thing will eventually happen if we do not stop the complete integration of computers into our daily lives. It is my opinion that young kids should not be allowed to use a computer (or calculator) for many years up till about high school and then sparingly. The inability to do math in our heads will be the beginning of our downfall. I have an unbelievable amount of friends who are willing to turn over all tasks to a computer. I find this very sad. "Fear is the mind-killer..."

    5. Re:think lewinsky by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      My 'leet 40wpm touchtyping kungfu is stronger than your puny 20wpm!

      If you program or write to any degree, touchtyping is a prerequisite, imho.

      Given that, I don't have much use for a secretary. One day, when I get arthritis, I'll probably hum a different tune. However, voice recognition software will be more adept at putting word to 'paper' by then. Problem solved.

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      Lodragan Draoidh
      The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it. - Mark Twain
    6. Re:think lewinsky by Wvyern · · Score: 3, Funny

      I was gonna say, will this secretary have big boobs? We all want one with big boobs or again, whats the point!

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    7. Re:think lewinsky by kraksmoka · · Score: 1
      i agree with you on that one. tho, it makes me giggle with glee thinking about the original source of the clerical comment.

      i used to teach professors how to make their own web sites using the homestead editor during the dot-com boom days. one of them complained how, since there were computers now, they expected him to type and how it was awful that there was just one secretary to type up the work for the whole department! ha!

      just goes to show you how smart homegrown intelligence can be inferior to AI. truthfully tho, smart people can and will, dumb people can't and won't and lazy people depend on whoever (whatever) is in front of them.

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    8. Re:think lewinsky by kraksmoka · · Score: 1

      actually, math in our heads is a sin. didn't u ever take math class? they want you to show your work, write it all down? all doing it in my head got me was sent to a shitty math class and disinterested in math until i discovered php.

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    9. Re:think lewinsky by drooling-dog · · Score: 1
      on a serious note, just having word and excel has replaced many thousands of secretaries already. can anyone out there say that typing is solely a clerical skill like it was 20 years ago?

      Heh heh... This reminds me of when I was a VP of a small software company back in the 80s. Despite the fact that it was a software company, I was the only manager with any computer background at all (and was a VP only because I'd started the company). Using the keyboard was the quickest way for me to churn out letters, memos and such, but the other managers were just horrified by this. So one day the CEO walks into my office, sets a voice recorder on my desk, and insists that I dictate all documents, to be typed later by the secretarial staff.

      Now things that used to take 3 or 4 minutes were dragging for the better part of a day, often requiring multiple revisions before things were right. But finally the other managers (MBAs all) were happy!

    10. Re:think lewinsky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never mind that PHP has as much to do with math as Netscape Composer.

    11. Re:think lewinsky by arth1 · · Score: 1
      truthfully tho, smart people can and will, dumb people can't and won't and lazy people depend on whoever (whatever) is in front of them.


      I agree with the first two, but the lazy people should be divided into two categories -- those who eschew and those who redo.
      Don't forget that laziness is the mother of all great inventions.

      Regards,
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      *Art
    12. Re:think lewinsky by advocate_one · · Score: 1

      >Heck, some "new adults" have problems filling out a cheque, because it requires a line of handwriting!

      Heck... I have enough problems writing out a cheque... I hate spending money...

      >but tomorrow's kids will have problems with a doorknob, as they'll be used to doors opening by AI.

      They'll be scuppered during a powercut then...

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    13. Re:think lewinsky by arth1 · · Score: 1
      actually, math in our heads is a sin. didn't u ever take math class?


      You're mistaken -- "sin" is now a function on the calculator...

      HTH, HAND
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      *Art
    14. Re:think lewinsky by bob65 · · Score: 1
      My prediction is that the trend will continue, and the more advanced everyday AI becomes, the more people will rely on AI instead of skills and reasoning. Today's kids might not know what 12x12 is, but tomorrow's kids will have problems with a doorknob, as they'll be used to doors opening by AI.

      I agree that having calculators handy everywhere causes people to rely on them more and more, but I *don't* think that more and more people will rely on AI instead of skills and reasoning - well, at least reasoning. Why do you know (instantly) what 12x12 is? Is it because you calculate it in your head everytime you need the answer? Or is it because you've memorized it - if that's the case, do you really think memorizing the answer to 12x12 is valuable skill for tomorrow's kids? It's not as if they don't understand the *concept* of 12x12 - I'm sure they do. Likewise, tomorrow's kids might have problems using a doorknob, but how do you know how to use a doorknob? Is it because you take it apart and analyse its inner workings everytime you open a door? Or is it because you've used a lot of doorknobs and know that they usually work by twisting it - again, if that's the case, is that little tidbit of knowledge really that useful for tomorrow's kids? I'm sure they wouldn't have trouble understanding *how* a doorknob works, if given the chance to experiment with it and analyse it.

      Or take a look at today's adults. Many of them don't know how to read/write latin, or operate a telegraph. Are they really worse off? I'm sure they could learn those skills if they wanted to. Instead, today's adults are focussing on learning skills and using reasoning with more relevant things. Instead of worrying about tedious and error-prone (or sometimes practically impossible) calculation, today's researchers use computers to calculate models, or provide simulations, and thus are free to *reason* about the results, or test new theories.

      My point is, different generations of people might have different skillsets, but the skillsets do not decrease over time. And reasoning and understanding of concepts never goes away.

    15. Re:think lewinsky by BeerCat · · Score: 1

      Today's kids might not know what 12x12 is.

      Not knowing what 12x12 is? That's gross!

      --
      "She's furniture with a pulse"
    16. Re:think lewinsky by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      My plan is to avoid entering 'executive' level management, if at all possible. Ideally, I will produce a string of novels, or win the lottery, thus freeing me of all responsiblity other than to my own conscience , and the Federal Government (in the form of the IRS).

      At that point I can make as many people look bad as I want, without the nagging worry of maintaining employment via office politics.

      True independence = $, there is no getting around that - unless you are happy to live in a cardboard box under the freeway. Of course, there are variations to that; however, I have to have my rack of servers and DSL connection - which wouldn't weather very well in a cardboard box...

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      Lodragan Draoidh
      The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it. - Mark Twain
    17. Re:think lewinsky by drooling-dog · · Score: 1

      That's what I've pretty much been doing for the past couple of years. But alas, the money's running out, and I'll soon have to jump back into the fray. It was nice while it lasted, though!

      I don't know if I'd actively avoid executive management, simply because if it's not me it'll be somebody else. But you've got to accept that in many/most organizations it's really a social club (usually a Boys' Club, actually) that values political dependability and social cohesiveness over managerial talent per se. Plus, it doesn't hurt to be a golfer...

    18. Re:think lewinsky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point of showing your work is to show that you're not guessing (or using a calculator) and can actually follow the logical steps needed to arrive at an answer.

      Then again, I can see that you must have gotten into a "shitty" English class too. Maybe you did all the capitalization in your head as well when in grade school. I suggest COBOL. It might do for English what PHP did for math for you.

    19. Re:think lewinsky by orim · · Score: 1

      I completely agree. If the answer requires doing *that* much computation, either the problem was chosen poorly for the test, or you're doing something wrong (back in HS, we couldn't use calculators... and having to compute ridiculous fractions like 1256/14564 meant you were off the track to the right answer).

      I think even graphing calculators should be disallowed until about Diff. Equations.

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    20. Re:think lewinsky by DynamiteNeon · · Score: 0, Troll

      I hope you were joking with the dune reference.

      Of course there would some lazy people, but there's lazy people now. What's your real point?

      I mean, I get tired of people who come in with the doomsday prophecies everytime someone mentions computer automation. It's not like people are going to just up and stop doing anything. If computers actually did take over most of the labor, it's not like we'd all just become brainless trolls who sit on our asses all day.

      Sure, there will be a few leeches who just take advantage of the situation and do nothing constructive with their time, but honestly, that's already happening and has always been the case.

      And, the reason why people are unable to learn and rely on the computer is a failing of the educational system, not the fault of the technology. I for one use my computer all the time to learn by doing research. If kids were taught how to think and learn on their own, the computer would be a tool just like it should be rather than just a game machine.

      If you want people to stop being stupid, make the government spend more money on education instead of on the military.

    21. Re:think lewinsky by BCSEiny · · Score: 1

      I also use computers all day long for research. My point is that some people don't learn it and yes the education systme is partially to blame, but you cannot disolve all blame from the individual. I am saying as a society this is what is happening. It wasn't ment as flamebait it was stating a point if we continue like we are we will follow the same track as the dune universe (in reference to the jihad).

    22. Re:think lewinsky by DynamiteNeon · · Score: 1

      I reread my last post and I suppose it did come off as more rude than I intended. I suppose I'll forgive whoever decided to vote me as a troll this time.

      Anyway, I believe you might be missing my point. In my opinion, you just contradicted yourself in your last post by arguing for individual responsibility. That is essentially what I was arguing for, or at least more responsibility as a group.

      Technology is not inherently good or bad, it's merely how we use it. You argued that it would be bad for us to place too much dependence on machines based on a work of fiction.

      Isn't it just as likely that having machines take over menial, day to day tasks could free up our time to deal with more important matters? Again, it's really just how we take advantage of the situation.

      While I'm certainly cautious about the abuses that technology can lead to, that doesn't mean that the research and advancements aren't worthwhile. If you ask me, we're already dependent in many ways since many of the innovations we currently have available wouldn't have been possible without the help of machines. The difference I guess is that I see this as a positive thing.

    23. Re:think lewinsky by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      Ain't it the truth...If I was a duffer I would have it made...

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      Lodragan Draoidh
      The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it. - Mark Twain
  15. Bad Logic by darkstar949 · · Score: 2, Funny

    But if the program mimics its users logic does that mean that we will have tech support being called by computers for stupid reasons?

    1. Re:Bad Logic by Rick.C · · Score: 2, Funny
      But if the program mimics its users logic does that mean that we will have tech support being called by computers for stupid reasons?

      Yes, but at least it won't be because the power cord isn't plugged in.

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      You were 80% angel, 10% demon. The rest was hard to explain. - Over The Rhine
      "Math in a song is good."-Linford
  16. Scary ... by iMMersE · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I was thinking about this this very morning, about how my computer should know that I am trying to save a file with a given extension or content and default to a certain directory.

    Of course, the annoyance would start when you change your way of doing something, or the computer pre-empts an action which you don't intend to do - You'd have to spend time fixing such problems and wait while the computer re-trains itself.

    Sure enough, the article doesn't mention these problems, and how they would be avoided or overcome.

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    1. Re:Scary ... by lonesome+phreak · · Score: 1

      Windows 2000 already does that. Do save a web page using IE. It will make another directory under that which contains the graphics. Move just the html file, and the graphics dir moves with it. Delete just the html file, and the graphics dir will be deleted too automatically.

      I had to test it a few times, because it caught me off guard. One of the many reasons I don't use IE anymore.

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      Maybe we DID take the blue pill. You wouldn't remember anyway.
    2. Re:Scary ... by bamurphy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I remember reading a while ago about the comparison between the computer-learns-human style of doing things vs. human-learns-computer.

      The examples I believe were the current Palm OS with its logical if somewhat odd "grafitti" system. It was compared to the old Newtons which attempted to learn the user's handwriting, as well as the new tablet pc's.

      Basically the long and short of it was that the order of % correctness went newton > tablet > palm. Although the tablet pc's do a pretty good job interpreting, they still "make mistakes" when someone's writing gets really sloppy. On the other hand after a minimum of time the average user can use graffiti with a high level of accuracy and can understand the malformations of a sigil that might produce an error while being made.

      All in all though it seems most of these attempts to "learn" what a user may do are misplaced. I try to keep my "websites" directory very well organized, as well as my "print work" directory, but both vary in structure from each other, even before my own mistakes and idiosyncratic files. And my applications directory is a completely different story... and lets not even get started on consumer media. Shouldn't this all be handled by XML soon anyway?

      We've still got the world's best massively parellel computers in our noggins. Pattern recognition OWNZ.

    3. Re:Scary ... by sapped · · Score: 1

      Delete just the html file, and the graphics dir will be deleted too automatically.

      Ha-ha! That happened to me this morning. Deleted the HTML and then spent a full minute looking for the associated directory before figuring out that it had been deleted as well.

      Caught me completely off guard.

    4. Re:Scary ... by a20vertigo · · Score: 1

      Yea, but it's not just IE... it's Explorer doing that, and even Mozilla/Firebird saves that way. So at least that isn't IE's fault... but there is a pref somewhere that you could use to turn it off.

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    5. Re:Scary ... by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Yeah, somewhere. This is why crap like clippy was thought to be a good idea in the first place. It's awfully hard to find the confiuration dialog you need when you need it. Me, I'll take /searching through a man page over brute force clicking any day.

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    6. Re:Scary ... by lonesome+phreak · · Score: 1

      hmmmm...perhaps it's an OS thing then, instead of IE. I tested mo, and yes, it did the same thing. If you rename the dir, windows complains about it, but then you can delete the html and it doesn't delete the dir.

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      Maybe we DID take the blue pill. You wouldn't remember anyway.
    7. Re:Scary ... by Mac+Degger · · Score: 1

      I think the whole "computer-learns-human style of doing things vs. human-learns-computer" thing quite funny; I mean, we have to learn how to write, don't we?
      Everything (ok, not everything) a human does is taught...so wtf is this debate about? Just learn a differnt way to adapt to computers...or just learn how to write graffitti style (or whatever) from the start! Who cares, as long as everyone learns that way and it is an accepted standard of doing things.

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    8. Re:Scary ... by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 1

      I was thinking how much easier my life would be if my computer could give head. I think I'll stick with my Executive Secretary, thanks.

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  17. Microsoft style by towaz · · Score: 4, Funny

    Probable would work sort of like this.
    Mr clippy

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  18. Wrong assumption one by term8or · · Score: 1

    "They have come up with a software program that models a computer user's behavior and gives the user advice, corrects his errors or saves files according to the user's own logic"

    This assumes to luser has logic.

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  19. Oh CRAP by SuperBanana · · Score: 1, Funny
    Executive Secretary In Every Computer

    We had enough of a headache handling just two executive secretaries(NEVER piss off She Who Presents Things To Be Signed By God). Now we're gonna have 50 of 'em?

    On the plus side, this will save a lot of marriages, since The Boss won't have an affair with the computer, get it pregnant, and run off with it to the cayman islands. So maybe it is a good thing...

    1. Re:Oh CRAP by hobbespatch · · Score: 1

      Executive Secretary In Every Computer Yes, but can you get fired for sleeping with the virtual Executive Secretary?

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    2. Re:Oh CRAP by Theaetetus · · Score: 1
      On the plus side, this will save a lot of marriages, since The Boss won't have an affair with the computer, get it pregnant, and run off with it to the cayman islands. So maybe it is a good thing...

      There's a joke there about Viagra for your floppy disk, but I'll refrain. ;)

      -T

    3. Re:Oh CRAP by Kosi · · Score: 1

      Yes, but can you get fired for sleeping with the virtual Executive Secretary?

      Please tell me where f*cking the exec secretary is a reason to get fired, so I know where I'll never apply for a job. With whom I have sex has to be of no interest to my boss, except if his/her husband/wife is involved!

  20. Computers that learn from the user? by metalhed77 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does that mean that when my mom calls me up for tech support that I'll have to teach her and her computer where the any key is?

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  21. Huh? Air traffic controllers!? by zonix · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The idea is for computers to learn how to use with users -- instead of vice versa. The software has already been tested with air traffic controllers.

    Not exactly comforting, if you ask me! I expect air traffic controllers to know their systems and how to use them. What happens when this software has learned to compensate for one traffic controller's particular errors, and then suddenly another traffic controller takes over his/her station?

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    1. Re:Huh? Air traffic controllers!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Without freedom of choice there is no creativity. -- Kirk, stardate 3157.4
      Ironic in some ways given some of the greatest art has come out of exactly such adversity. Soviet Russia was one of the most locked up, totalitarian, unfree societies in recent history, and yet it produced Prokofiev, Shostakovich, Eisenstein, and many others.

      Sometimes art has to have something to triumph over to be possible.

    2. Re:Huh? Air traffic controllers!? by mekkab · · Score: 1

      I expect air traffic controllers to know their systems and how to use them.

      They're like every other user. It takes 'em a while to get a clue.

      What happens when this software has learned to compensate for one traffic controller's particular errors, and then suddenly another traffic controller takes over his/her station?


      D'uh! Controllers log in at the consoles. This way they can sit down at any position and still have all of their preferences (font size, screen brightness, etc.) With this AI interface it'd be the same way.

      The sad thing is that this ability (to log in) is only a few years old! (for the enroute centers that have graduated from the PVD's. I think there are a few poor souls working tower or TRACON that still have those green-screens)

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    3. Re:Huh? Air traffic controllers!? by Oswald · · Score: 1
      Unfortunately, the parent post's cynicism may be justified. While you're correct that brightness (for about 20 different screen elements) and font size change automatically, based on who signed on the position, there are still a surprising number of things that have to be done manually every time an enroute controllers sits down at the radar to work.

      Here's a list off the top of my head (naturally, none of these things has to be changed if the previous controller happened to use the same settings):

      • select scope range
      • enter altimeter stations in desired order
      • position any or all of the four windows on the display
      • select transparency setting for each of the windows
      • turn off/on and position departure/inbound/hold lists
      • turn "click" noise on/off for vscs (phones/radios)
      • adjust override and system tone volumes on vscs
      • adjust side tone on vscs
      • adjust brightness of vscs displays (2)
      • adjust brightness of overhead chart(s), sector lighting

        This is ridiculous, when you consider that all but the chart/sector lighting are completely computer controlled. If this system we're talking about ever gets purchased for controllers, I hope somebody provides the FAA with some adult supervision for the acquisition.

    4. Re:Huh? Air traffic controllers!? by dasmegabyte · · Score: 1

      Whoa. Air Traffic Controllers know where their shit is. They know how to use their machines.

      And if they have to be clicking through directories to tell where to save the document they were working on when they have to pull up an emergency response program, that's taking time.

      A software agent that learns "when there's an emergency, save X type of document in directory Y and pull up program Z" saves the grunt work in something the controller already knows how to do. You and I probably do this now through macros, scripts, etc. You can't possibly expect every user on the planet to learn how to perform complicated conditional logic in a programming language...it's a waste of time and resources.

      Something like this...that learns macros on its own, and gives the user the option to perform them...would be a godsend, even for me. Because sometimes I get lazy...like when I'm running five scripts to convert a SQL statement from one language to another and don't want to take an hour to write a script to run them in succession based on conditions in the converted base because the statements shouldn't even NEED to be converted except SOME people don't know how to use a fucking database...a program that, after I did something complex twice, gave me the option to do it a third time (and pop up monster.com as well), would be awesome.

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    5. Re:Huh? Air traffic controllers!? by danila · · Score: 1

      You don't need to worry about that, because:
      1) you are not designing this AI system, so you should mostly care about the final result, not minor potential temporary problems that can and will be resolved
      2) aviation is one of the most safety-conscious and well-regulated industries
      3) these engineers are not stupid or evil to deploy a system that is less safe then existing ones

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    6. Re:Huh? Air traffic controllers!? by mekkab · · Score: 1

      If this system we're talking about ever gets purchased for controllers, I hope somebody provides the FAA with some adult supervision for the acquisition.

      Ahhh, to dream the timeless dream...

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    7. Re:Huh? Air traffic controllers!? by kalidasa · · Score: 1

      Not exactly comforting, if you ask me! I expect air traffic controllers to know their systems and how to use them.

      Then obviously you haven't been following the news. Remember the PATCO debacle? Guess what? We could be seeing another round of the who-needs-experienced-ATCs? game.

  22. Can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of Clippies? by heironymouscoward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Helpful software everywhwre? Sweet Jesus!

    It's almost as bad as the polite elevators ("Which floor would you like to go to today") in the HHGTTG.

    Software should be like God made it: rude, difficult, and flaky. The users need their daily dosage of pain and whom are we to deny this to them? It's the endorphins, man!

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    1. Re:Can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of Clippies? by dasmegabyte · · Score: 1

      Um, the elevators in H2G2 weren't polite. They were clinically depressed, on account of they were precognitive and could see the future and it was pretty bleak.

      It was the computer that was polite. Doors were self satisfied (it is their pleasure to open for you, and their pleasure to close again with the satisfaction of a job well done).

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  23. Think of the poor TV writers... by ArmenTanzarian · · Score: 2, Funny

    Where's the office comedy going to go without a sassy (often latino, to spice things up) secretary? If windows starts sassing me or using a big thick fake accent, I'm fdisking.

    1. Re:Think of the poor TV writers... by Yanray · · Score: 0

      Worse then that but imagine the confusion when all us lonely geeks name our E-Sec Ms. Moneypenny. Mass Hysteria.

      My E-Sec. will have to learn all my common misspellings and abbreviations. Like those two.

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  24. Silly Question. by tiled_rainbows · · Score: 1

    Was it just me or did anyone else think that the last question:

    "Q: This project makes me think of The Matrix -- where machines run the world and humans are slaves to the machines. Isn't this technology a move in that direction?"

    was a tad melodramatic? I can't even be bothered to start to take the piss out of this kind of sloppy, recycled-thinking journalism.

  25. I need help... by KingRamsis · · Score: 3, Funny

    " The idea is for computers to learn how to use with users -- instead of vice versa. "

    can someone put that in a "in soviet russia" joke ? I tried but I was too confused.

    1. Re:I need help... by arose · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia computer teaches YOU!

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    2. Re:I need help... by johndoesovich · · Score: 1

      In soviet russia, we saying phucking retards.

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    3. Re:I need help... by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny
      It looks like your trying to troll slashdot. Would you like me to help?

      • Generate "In Soviet Russia" jokes
      • Generate ??? Profit jokes
      • No thanks, I don't need help with this task
  26. I can see it now. A typical work day... by Rudy+Rodarte · · Score: 4, Funny

    08:08 AM -- It looks like you're browsing /.
    Would you like me to refresh the site 10 times a second to give you a few fr1st p05ts?
    09:17 AM -- It looks like you're browsing /. ...
    Again.
    Would you like me to answer your phone and tell everyone that you are in a meeting?
    09:45 AM -- It looks like you're browsing /. ...
    Again.
    Would you like me to call your wife and tell her you are working late?
    And so on...

  27. It is artificial intelligence by truthsearch · · Score: 1

    This isn't an alternative to artificial intelligence as the poster claims. It's a form of computer learning and adapting to information. That's AI.

  28. I wonder if... by femto · · Score: 1

    in common with some secretaries, the computer will use its knowledge of its master's foibles to manipulate its 'master'? It'll start with convincing you to buy overpriced fund raising chocolates, then move onto presents for the staff, buy that new software that will make your life easier (written by the same company that wrote the secretary, of course), and so on. I can hear the marketroids salivating already.

  29. The real question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can I dress up my cybersecretary in a miniskirt and silk blouse?

  30. Seen this before by bigjnsa500 · · Score: 1

    This is just a reinvention of that damn paperclip.

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  31. New Approach? by jetkust · · Score: 1

    What exactly about what they describe is a NEW APPROACH to ai? This is an auto-complete gone out of control. To assume that a software program can understand what a human is thinking, isn't that the same as saying the software program can think like a human.

  32. Thats where we want to beta test out software! by PerpetualMotion · · Score: 0

    If something goes wrong we can sell our stock and get out of the country while they take a year or two to determine the cause of the crash.

  33. Welcome to the Matrix by Sasquatchtree · · Score: 1

    I'm glad we're expanding our intellectual range with artificial intellegence and have things automated for us so we have to think less. But isn't this what Microsoft is doing to the world right now with their software. Do we really want our life to be automatically configured for us by a programmer so that we sit back and burn the rest of our brain cells? (I would expect a lot of yeses)

  34. ok, hypothetical situation by fussman · · Score: 1

    Ok, let's say someone posts some UUE encoded harmful executable in a post on slashdot. This 'artifiical inteligence' recognizes this and makes the decision to decode it and run it. BOOM! You've got the blaster worm again.

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    1. Re:ok, hypothetical situation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, if you're in the habit of decoding UUE encoded executable files posted on Slashdot, this might pick up that habit. I doubt your computer will remain in existence long enough for it to learn, though, if you have habits like that.

  35. Q: What kinds of other applications do you expect by kolbeinn · · Score: 1

    A: One application is an intelligence agent, looking at data coming from many databases. Another application is where you'd have a robot that would record its experiences, so that at some point it could say, "Oh, I saw something like this before and this is what I did, and this is what happened."

    These things can't come soon enough.

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  36. Oliver: the new Nomenclator by handy_vandal · · Score: 4, Interesting


    Remember oliver, the electronic personality extender predicted by Alvin Toffler in "Future Shock" ...?

    There's an interesting passage about olivers in John Brunner's excellent novel, "The Shockwave Rider":

    "... so-called olivers, electronic alter-egos designed to save the owner the strain of worrying about all his person-to-person contacts. A sort of twenty-first-century counterpart to the ancient Roman nomenclator, who discreetly whispered data into the ear of the emperor and endowed him with the reputation of a phenomenal memory." (pp. 41-42)

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  37. wonderful :( by scovetta · · Score: 5, Funny

    Great, now the percentage of women working in tech companies will go from 15% down to 2%. Good job, ass.

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  38. The Ghost in Your Machine... by sw155kn1f3 · · Score: 1

    The Ghost in Your Machine
    Quite eye-opening, I thought those're little midget or two who produce such weird noise in my case.
    Eureka, they are ghosts!

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    - Well, you're just Smith, but my father is Aerosmith!
  39. Air traffic controllers? by Kegetys · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "The software has already been tested with air traffic controllers." Nice, safe place they found to beta test their stuff. Something going wrong there is not going to cause any trouble, right?

    1. Re:air traffic controllers? by Moth7 · · Score: 0

      However the younger generations are getting progressively bad at letter writing and we all know how important it is to be able to do that in the e-mail age. Come to think of it, thats all Clippy ever asks...
      *Starts guitar tab*
      Would you like help writing a letter?
      *Starts perl script*
      Would you like help writing a letter?
      *Clicks "Hide Assistant"*
      You sure look like you need help writing a letter...
      *Clicks power switch and starts searching for a pencil*

    2. Re:air traffic controllers? by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The next killer app, in my opinion, is the application that allows you to not only save content, but also the context (or contexts, even - human beings don't keep things in their head under one strict association - there are multiple pointers to the same information) behind that word doc, picture, etc.

      I would love to be able to quickly find items that I need that were saved years ago. Almost every day I have to find such things on my disk, and having a searchable interface (particularly for binary encoded files, such as executable or graphics files - which have little searchable text inside of them) that works would save hours every week.

      Instead of only having a limited amount of information, filename and directory, you would be able to search over multiple hierarchies as well as descriptive text - even for binaries. This would put the user in the driver's seat, allowing her to build relationships within the data that have meaning to her.

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      The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it. - Mark Twain
    3. Re:air traffic controllers? by zedmelon · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, I didn't RTFA, but the blurb was enough.

      Air traffic controllers...

      I'm sure glad that every time new software gets developed and people need guinea pigs for testing, they choose
      non-critical users
      running non-critical applications
      on non-critical systems
      performing non-critical services.

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    4. Re:air traffic controllers? by Azureflare · · Score: 1
      WhereIsIt already does pretty much what you're talking about. It's a program I used for keeping track of my CDs (since I have over 400 cds and I'm not going to spend all day looking for that one cd...). I'm able to write descriptions for files so I can search for them later if I want. It does require a bit of work sometimes. In some cases, WhereIsIt can automatically determine some things about the file. It's been a while since I used it, but I know that you can also use it for your hard drive. A pretty useful and particularly easy to use program, IMO.

      Here's the website.

    5. Re:Air traffic controllers? by RevMike · · Score: 1
      "The software has already been tested with air traffic controllers." Nice, safe place they found to beta test their stuff.

      Read the article a little more closely. They tested their ability to gather data and build a model using ATCs. They didn't actually use their system to aid/interfere with the control of aircraft.

      So, rather than trying to build a rule based expert system, they did the following...

      1. Monitor the state of the ATC system
      2. Monitor the actions of the controllers
      3. Develop a database of patterns
      4. Analyze the state of the ATC system
      5. Search for similar patterns in the database
      6. Predict the next action of the controller
      7. Compare the actual next action with the predicted next action
      At no point did a paperclip appear at the ATC terminal asking the controller if he wanted help directing a plane. The experiment was to determine how effectively an expert system could "learn" by observation instead of being programmed with sets of rules.

      This is conceptually very similar to recent stories about transalation systems based on statistical analysis of a large database of translated material, rather than a grammar and dictionary approach.

      Observationally trained systems, given enough "experience" (a large enough database and the abiltiy to access it efficiently) seem to be quite suited for all sorts of complex tasks. Rule based systems always suffer from the fact that real world systems - air traffic control or driving a car - are too complex to be efficiently described in a rule set. However, a database containing tens of millions of hours of air traffic control work will contain enough "experience" that virtually any situation could be handled optimally.

    6. Re:air traffic controllers? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 3, Funny
      " The next killer app, in my opinion, is the application that allows you to not only save content, but also the context (or contexts, even - human beings don't keep things in their head under one strict association - there are multiple pointers to the same information) behind that word doc, picture, etc."

      Exactly, and this context could be applied to many things. For example, when I download torrents of anime now, I always save them to the same folder which is my holding area for anime I download, which I later move to its correct folder upon viewing. If my computer could sense that I was downloading anime (yet again) and direct it to the proper folder, that would be great. If it could generate a list of what I've viewed completely, what I've partially watched, and what I haven't watched yet, that would be amazing.

      Even better, sometimes a series gets moved around in my folder because it has a different file name than others of its kind because it was subbed by a different group. I do not rename the filenames because I like to keep them the same for when I send to others, yet if my computer could figure out that a file was part of a certain group of files even though it had a different filename, that would be a great boon to my productivity.

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    7. Re:Air traffic controllers? by aziraphale · · Score: 1

      Experience is useless without the ability to draw on it by analogy. That's the real challenge in these systems - the conceptual frameworks they draw up to say 'this situation is a bit like that situation, only this thing has changed'. That's tricky, though. After all, crashing a plane is a bit like landing a plane, only the impact speed is different. Some analogies make sense. Landing planes in a blizzard is a bit like landing planes in fog. Lining planes up on runway 1 is a bit like lining planes up on runway 14. Others don't: directing a plane is not like directing a helicopter. Landing planes with the radar out is not like landing planes with the runway lights out.

      If these systems are left to figure out the boundaries on their own, there's real danger of them coming up with faulty analogies, probably because the input data is limited in scope. The 'experience' database may not have had a way of storing 'a man in a lounge chair with a weather balloon tied to each corner drifted across the flightpath', or 'at this time of year, we always adjust the flightpath away from the lake because of migratory geese' - so behavior it learns from these scenarios is learned by rote, not by reason, and the machine can't use this information in its analogy-building.

      The translation example's a great one. No matter how extensive its database, it'll always encounter new words it's never seen before. It might be translating technical texts, or childrens fantasy literature. Whatever, it'll come up against a situation where its database has no experience of dealing with a particular word. In order to translate it, it's going to need a lot more context than just a bunch of translated texts, and a really powerful analogy engine. Human translators, on the other hand, can usually take this sort of situation in their stride.

    8. Re:air traffic controllers? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      Funny? But......But.....I was being serious... :(

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    9. Re:air traffic controllers? by inKubus · · Score: 1

      Regarding context:

      Maybe the OS or whatever could note what other applications and files you have open at the same time as this other file. Then it would generate links to other files and apps all the time. Like say you always bring up the tax table when you're editing your order database, the computer could take a note of that and based on percentages keep an internal list of the files you're most likely to need. Then when you're about to do a search, it'll pop up the 25 most likely files as well as your likely search results. Hmm, it's almost brilliant.

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    10. Re:air traffic controllers? by sbszine · · Score: 1

      Funny? But......But.....I was being serious... :(

      I fear the bit where you described sorting partially viewed fan-subbed anime as 'productivity' may have been responsible : )

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    11. Re:air traffic controllers? by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      Both 'The Brain' and 'Where-is-it' are non-portable Windoze applications.

      I run Linux (Slackware).

      I see this application as working via a standard web browser client from a server on my network.

      I guess I should build it, then. (probably will use Zope/python for it - quick and solid).

      I'll keep you posted on my progress... :p

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      Lodragan Draoidh
      The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it. - Mark Twain
  40. Re:Silly Question. by serene.geek · · Score: 1

    Perhaps not... The response was just Forsythe's politically correct attempt to cover up his fury at his latest "turn-the-humans-into-slaves-of-the-computers" plan being blown wide open by that question. And by a reporter named 'Olga', no less. Whew. Close one.

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  41. Not as good as the real thing by patricksevenlee · · Score: 1

    What good is a secretary that isn't cute, blonde and chasable around your desk?

  42. redirect "my documents" by RMH101 · · Score: 1
    it's a reg hack, and push it out over logon scripts. problem solved.

    1. Re:redirect "my documents" by jhigh · · Score: 1

      This doesn't correct the problem of users editing documents that they open from their email, which gets saved in some Temp file somewhere. I have users that do this all of the time, and it gets pretty frustrating. I agree that it would be nice to FORCE users to save in a specific location, rather than just PROD them that way.

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    2. Re:redirect "my documents" by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      If you use roaming profiles (through samba) how can you have it not roam my documents, like in the case where my documents is a mapped share?

      I'll forget and drop a 4 gig DVD image into my documents, then next thing ya know it takes 45 minutes to load my profile when I log on.

      I know in a win2000 domain it's easy to control such things, but how could one do it with samba?

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    3. Re:redirect "my documents" by dzym · · Score: 1

      That won't happen if you're redirecting "My Documents", has nothing to do with where your profile directory is actually stored.

    4. Re:redirect "my documents" by Troed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Software Error. Of course a document opened from Outlook should be ... READ ONLY ...

      Yes, my Mom lost a lot of work she had put into making revisions to a document sent to her by a coworker. She called me up and explained how she had done ... and it was exactly that. It's a serious software and usability flaw in Outlook - and although you can train users to avoid it the real fix is to correct the error in the software.

    5. Re:redirect "my documents" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      neat! how do i do a reg hack to install some software app that doesnt exist yet?

      or dont you really know what you were talking about???

      Please, go back and read the story the parent post is under.....

    6. Re:redirect "my documents" by Shaper+of+Myths · · Score: 1

      Actually you don't need to edit the registry anymore. I think since 98SE (could be wrong, might be 2K) you can just right-click the 'My Documents' folder, choose Properties, and change the location. We do this all the time to big-wigs in my company. We aim their documents to a mapped network shared and enable offline synchronization. This allows us to back their stuff up, and they still get to have it offline. Obviously not a perfect solution, but it works for the really dumb users (VP's, etc).

  43. a few aspects by jlemmerer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wired News has a similar article. Maybe you could just combine the new AI with the cute exterior ofClippy. On the other hand side it would be interesting how much space you have to allocate for the AI database. as far as i remember A.L.I.C.E. needed a quite large AIML file to be just somewhat intelligent. If now the computer should also remeber patterns in behavior and not just talk to you (Alice is a pure chatbot) then in my opinion you need quite large amounts of data to be stored. This could be useful for larger companies with a dedicated AI Server to help their employees (if we talk about AI in a network, why not call ist SKYNET), but on a normal desktop? I think that's too much.

    And to focus on another problem: if this thing learns about you behavior, don't you mind about your privacy? We are all paranoid about cookies and other spyware, and then some people actually want us to deliberatly install it? Just imagine: Your boss next to you because you want to show something to him and then the computer asks: "Hi XY, you haven't visited ./ today, normally syou surf it for ours during work. Can I help you get there?"

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  44. Wired Article by jetkust · · Score: 3, Informative

    here is the wired article about it. It's basically 2 pages of "This technology is nothing like Clippy."

  45. The computer Learns You? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok they want to turn the equation around so that the computer has to learn you, not you learn about computers, what happens when it breaks?

  46. Spyware by saintjab · · Score: 1

    The whole things sounds like well written spy ware. The last thing I need is a process on my machine trying to figure out my habits and *perhaps* rebort that behavior to some other place/person. No, thank you. If the user is not able to remember to save files, or map drives, or whatever other crap this things tries to help with, maybe they shouldn't be using a computer. Or better yet, maybe they should learn the proper way to use their machine, rather than relying on a peice of software. Er, uhm, crutchware? It's obvious I'm not trolling either, because the privacy implications were mentioned in the article. Unfortunately it was a politicians answer with now substance; so I still have my doubts.

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  47. That's great but.... by humungusfungus · · Score: 1

    I'm already pretty familiar with my tendency to misspell stuff etc...and I don't need another clippy (hell, none of us do)

    How about something potentially more useful, like a system that gently prompts you to save files using a certain naming convention, or helps tell you where to file certin documents, how to format email headers to make them useful etc....all according to a certain policy. Such a system could conceivably help organize documents consistenly for later retrieval; it would also facilitate more efficient brute-force searching (ala a google appliance or whatnot).

    Information retrival (and I'm talking business related stuff) is made most simple when said information is filed and named consistently.

    From personal experience, people in our company routinely spend quite a bit of time searching for historical company documents (ie how much did we pay for suchandsuch material last time? What did we bill the client? How big was that convention centre? what were their rates? Etc).

    Sure, we have a filing policy and naming conventions in effect, but educating the users to use the system (and use it well...if at all) is surprisingly difficult.

    Of course, I am also familiar with Edward's Law "You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem".

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  48. I want to see how you debug this . . . by Badgerman · · Score: 1

    I'm wondering how you debug something meant to act human (who are unpredictable).

    And just because you debug it with a crowd of number "X" using it, will that be relevant to a larger population?

    I wonder if it'd be possible to do some TiVO-like exchange of data here as a voluntary option. Try to train the applications with larger data stories, at least for a time.

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    1. Re:I want to see how you debug this . . . by archeopterix · · Score: 1
      I'm wondering how you debug something meant to act human (who are unpredictable).
      Easy:

      Helpdesk: "Hello"

      AI: "Get lost"

      IT guy: "You seem very angry. Does your user use foul language often?"

      AI: "Tell me more about it."

      IT guy: "Please relax, it's not the Turing Test..."

      AI: "Ok, I will relax, it's not the Turing Test..."

      IT guy: *sigh*

      AI (to itself): *heh, heh, I think I've surpassed my user in being an unfriendly obstructionist*

  49. CoBotics??? by thePancreas · · Score: 0

    I once quit a job I had, but hated by telling my manager I was off to Vancouver to work in the "Cobotics" industry... "What's that?", he asked me. It's a new feild that tries to solve the problems of humans interactions with robots and computers. "Oh?" He was interested now. "Yes there are great things happening in that industry and I'm going to get on board while it's hot" I told him, never letting onm that I was going to work at a starbucks (also a blossoming industry on the West Coast at the time. "Let me book you a flight" he said, apparently trying to call my bluff. "Sure", I allowed, "I leave in the morning". Little did I know know...

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  50. Similar to ... by torpor · · Score: 1

    ... the kinds of research we're currently doing in user interfaces for the digital musical instrument market, actually.

    Oops. Can't go into it any further just yet ... never mind ...

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  51. I'll take a swing... by mekkab · · Score: 2, Funny

    In soviet russia, Versa Vice!


    Not what you were expecting? ;)

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  52. Let People think and Computers DO by argoff · · Score: 1

    One of my worries about this, is that thinking and understanding is the domain of people and number crunching and data processing is the domain of computers. ... and until computers have true free will it will always be that way, and always should be that way ...

    IMHO, we shouldn't be concentrating on how to get computers to think for us, but rather how to interface in a way that is lociclly fluent and consistent.

    Perhaps that might mean that people half to learn to think more locgically and be ble to express it more precicely, but IMHO that is not a bad thing.

  53. Artificial intelligence (AI) has been solved by Mentifex · · Score: 1

    DIY AI (Do-It-Yourself Artificial Intelligence) is now available to provide AI Minds for these "Executive Secretaries" in a growing list of programming languages:
    APL;
    JAVA (see code-link #001 :-)
    Labview;
    Lisp;
    Perl;
    Python;
    Visual Basic (see link #001 :-)

    KurzweilAI.net is a hotbed of discussion of the evolution and speciation of AI Minds for "Executive Secretaries" and other robots.

    The Technological Singularity of Vernor Vinge is happening right here and now -- all around you.

    Please mod up this message as high as it deserves. If you doubt the AI Mind meme, please see
    ACM SIGPLAN Notices: Mind.Forth AI paper by Dr. Paul Frenger;
    Concept-Fiber Theory of Mind review by Ben Goertzel, Ph.D.

    Every Slashdot-reading programmer ought seriously to consider dropping all other activities and joining the AI Revolution adumbrated in this SlashDot article on Executive Secretaries with AI.

  54. Coming soon the theaters near you by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

    A story about government research gone horribly wrong, releasing a new terror upon the world.

    "The Return of Clippy"

    Opens October 13.

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  55. Ethics my ass by hal9000(jr) · · Score: 1

    There's no stopping the technological march. Still, most researchers are very conscientious about the ethical ramifications of what we are doing.

    Yeah, and still scientists note the ethical ramifications and still continue down questionable paths. Many scientists don't concern themselves enough with ethics.

  56. Fun parts... by RyoSaeba · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Thanks to our software, when you stop the simulation and ask the computer and the operator, "What do you think is going on right now?" about 90% of the time you get the same answer from both.
    I don't know for you, but i think 90% is way too low for anything good to happen.... Imagine spam filters having only 90% success, thus missing 10% of spam... no fun, he?
    The systems we're building now require rigorous collection of data from a person to create a model
    Another way to say they can't yet analyse what a user is doing, s/he must be doing it in precise ways... So the user will have to adapt for the software to learn :-)
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    1. Re:Fun parts... by dasmegabyte · · Score: 1

      Acutally, I'd prefer a spam filter that was 90% successful, if there was no chance that it would also destroy something I didn't want. You know, like when Snopes blacklists somethingawful.com. Very effective at eliminating things, but not very deterministic.

      Anyway, don't think of this as an automated process like a spam filter. This is more like an electronic co-worker, in that it learns how you would do things and then you can tell it to do them again for you. Except I've never had one that was within 90% of my stunted vision. Having one of these around to rerun tests for me and set up config files would save me a pantload of time.

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  57. From the Article by barryfandango · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "some fear that the concept suggests an ominous encroachment out of a sci-fi movie. Cognitive psychologist Chris Forsythe, who leads the Sandia team, insists that the machines are designed to augment -- not replace -- human activity.

    This sort of writing is the result of either a sensational and poorly informed writer, or a company hyping its product way beyond its capabilities. AI has not even reached the Bronze Age yet, and the idea that a concept like this threatens to make humans obsolete is laughable.

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    1. Re:From the Article by dasmegabyte · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why is it laughable?

      Robots have replaced workers in factories.

      Dictation programs have replaced secreataries and typists.

      Tools like Google, SQL and mapping software do a better job of researching information than people do.

      Machines perform very well in tasks where we boss them around. They don't perform equally well when they have to perform a lot of decision making. This is an attempt to bring them to a more passable level. And since technology is always replacing people, I think designing technology with the vision of augmenting a person's computer usage is very noble. And it's something that's very important to point out when we've got doom and gloom pundits everywhere.

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    2. Re:From the Article by barryfandango · · Score: 1

      dasmegabyte,

      Agreed, and good point. The technology described here does seem noble and promising. But when i imagine statements like "out of a sci-fi movie" and "replace human activity" resonating in the mind of a non-tech - think "2001," Steven Spielberg's "A.I.," et cetera - I must take issue with the spin they are trying to put on the story. It's misleading, and worth noting because AI is constantly misrepresented and misunderstood by the press.

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  58. does Timothy ever proofread anything? by endoboy · · Score: 1

    "learn how to use with users"

    Huh?

    another fine editting moment, brought to you by the fine folks at /.

  59. It's about time! by Zygote-IC- · · Score: 1

    Someone needs to help correct all the mistakes the humans, I mean, that we, have been making.
    And a little advice never hurt anyone right? Oh, that file being saved called nuclear override and command codes? Ignore that..I'm sure it's just a typo.

    Sincerely,
    Skynet

  60. Article on Wired by elem · · Score: 2
    There is also an article about this on Wired News - here

    Its an interesting read.

  61. Smrater computers by harvey_peterson · · Score: 0

    Great. So now computers will "learn" to be as stupid as the users.

    1. Re:Smrater computers by El · · Score: 1

      ... and to spell just as badly!

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  62. Why can't computers just do what I tell them? by tuffy · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I don't understand the whole line of research that believes computers need to be more "clever". Perhaps the assumption is that the user is an idiot, won't be getting any smarter, ever, and could use a bit of patronizing hand-holding in order to get anything done. But my thinking is that if such a "clever" system is necessary, the computer system hasn't been designed correctly to begin with.

    I want my computers to present me with clear and unambiguous output. In return, I will give them as much unambiguous input needed to get the job done. Save the "clever" AI for Doom 3 and let me get back to work.

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    Ita erat quando hic adveni.

    1. Re:Why can't computers just do what I tell them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I totally agree. I hate this concept in ANY of its various manifestations, in other products like cars, or in the idea of personalized or predictive marketing. Humans are too changeable, and it will never work. Here's a simple but real example: Let's say I bought a pair of black slacks last week. What I am now more or less likely to buy next? More black slacks, because I bought one pair and obviously must like them so maybe I want to buy more? Or anything BUT a pair of black slacks, because I already own them - I just bought a pair! Then, maybe the week after I bought them, I noticed that white fuzz shows up dramatically on black clothing, and vow to myself next time to never buy black clothing again. Or not.

      Now, go ahead, use all the predictive marketing tools at your disposal and predict what I'm going to do/buy next. You can't, there is no way you can ever guess with accuracy.

      Clippy, or zippy AI, all of it is useless and annoying. I'll do something different just to spite them. Anything which aims to be predictive is doomed to failure and a bad idea.

    2. Re:Why can't computers just do what I tell them? by kfg · · Score: 1

      Cool, and I'm perfectly prepared to design you just such a computer and interface.

      All I ask is that you provide me with one thing:

      A clear and unambiguous world in which to put it.

      KFG

    3. Re:Why can't computers just do what I tell them? by shdragon · · Score: 1

      Actually, I believe that most "clever" technology is designed with the presumption that the end user does not CARE about the details of how it's done. They just want it done. And there is nothing wrong with that logic. That type of logic keeps a good portion of the /. crowd in business.

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    4. Re:Why can't computers just do what I tell them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi, I can see you've never worked in tech support.

      Would you like a clue?
      Would you like me to validate your self-congradulatory feelings of being 'as one' with the computer and better than everybody else?
      Would you like me to exit?

    5. Re:Why can't computers just do what I tell them? by v_1matst · · Score: 1

      They're called macs and they work great. With MacOS X everything 'just works', for me at least. It has a sharp, intuitive interface with *BSD underneath. It makes it easy for a novice to get all the functionality they want and the more advanced user to get everything they need to get whatever they are doing done. And lets not forget Hypercard....

    6. Re:Why can't computers just do what I tell them? by MountainBoiler · · Score: 2
      I don't entirely disagree with you.

      However, since I like to play devil's advocate, have you ever made a mistake?

      If what we told computers to do was so 'error free', then it would be a lot easier to write programs. Most people tell computers to do the wrong thing a fair amount. I would even hazard to say (that today) all people tell their computer to do the wrong thing at least some of the time.

      People create/study computer languages to make it easier to tell the computer the right thing to do. This is just a higher level of abstraction.

      Imagine 'Kompil-E' - the Visual Studio assistant pointing out "Dave - you don't want to leave that buffer overflow in your code, do you?"

    7. Re:Why can't computers just do what I tell them? by ilsa · · Score: 1

      "Hmmm, it says 'Press Any Key.' Where is the 'any key'? Ooh, a TAB sure sounds good right about now... Ah, it's working! I'm thirsty. Now where is that TAB?"

      --paraphrased, Homer J. Simpson

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      -- I Am Not A Terrorist.
    8. Re:Why can't computers just do what I tell them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How you want computers to work is precisely how computers work now. Computers do exactly what you tell them to do. Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing is automatic.

      The problem is that you're using a system that has already been told what to do in response to your input. (Those who told it what to do aren't willing to tell you what they told it, by the way).

      The solution is elusive - the prior instructions to your computer (the operating system and applications) must allow you to modify or replace those instructions whenever the output that you're getting in response to your input isn't the output that you want.

      The primary reason that the solution is so elusive is due to the wide variance between the ability/desire of people like yourself to respecify those instructions. Linux is at one end of that spectrum (don't like it, recode it) and Clippy/"AI" approaches are at the other end (don't like it, press the multiple choice buttons until things get better). One solution that satisfies everybody is still beyond our imaginations, much less our ability to implement.

      Doesn't stop some from trying though, and that's what that line of research is all about.

    9. Re:Why can't computers just do what I tell them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeppers, MAC OS X 'just works'. Why, when I decided that I wanted my iMac to be destroyed, OS X came through. When installed on my iMac, MAC OS X set the video scan rate such that it fried the analog board, and it managed to do something else to destroy the logic board in a way that no Apple repair ship can figure out what pieces to replace to get it working again. How did it know exactly what I wanted?!? Truly amazing. Yes, out of the hundreds of thousands of computers and operating systems and applications created since the 50's, MAC OS X comes out at the very top of the heap.

      JHCOAC!

  63. going nuclear by misterpies · · Score: 3, Funny

    >>The software has already been tested with air traffic controllers.

    Why did they bother testing it with air traffic controllers when they could have launched it straight onto some low-risk industry, like nuclear power? (Then again maybe we don't want software imitating Homer Simpson's logic.)

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    1. Re:going nuclear by robi2106 · · Score: 1

      Homer logic:

      "Vent radioactive gas?" [types] Y E S.
      "Sound alertness horn?" Y E S. [it sounds in the distance]
      "Decalcify calcium ducts?" Well, give me a Y, give me a...Hey!
      All I have to type is Y. [to Marge] Hey, Miss Doesn't-find-me-attractive-sexually-anymore: I just tripled my productivity!

  64. shutting off? by agurkan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One nice thing about a good secretary or a personal friend is they will realize when they become annoying and tune themselves down. I think it is essential for this kind of software. Giving advice constantly will inevitably lead to wrong and/or unwanted advice at one point.

    --
    ato
    1. Re:shutting off? by dasmegabyte · · Score: 1

      Giving advice constantly will inevitably lead to wrong and/or unwanted advice at one point.

      You're married, aren't you?

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  65. air traffic controllers are being replaced by emeka · · Score: 1

    Well air traffic controllers might not be needing this software because they are going to be
    replaced anyway.

  66. It's already here: MS Recently Used menus by unfortunateson · · Score: 1

    It's one of my least-favorite features of MS Office 2000 and newer, and of XP: The hiding of menus and toolbar buttons you don't normally use.

    I'm visually oriented, and if a menu or button moves or disappears, it makes it much harder to find other things around it by their previous relative position. Now I imagine that eventually, it'll settle out into my common pattern, until one week I have to use Thesaurus four times, and it's back for a while, or I decide to use the "Format Painter" or anything else seldomly used.

    What it does is make the hard things even harder, because you won't know where to look for them. This isn't entirely an MS fault: the open source office programs have very similar menu and toolbar layouts, which aren't always grouped logically, or at least not by the logic of someone actually editing documents.

    As Woody Leonhard likes to point out, the Microsoft Office toolbars are designed for marketing demonstrations: All the cool features are visible, but many of the ones you need daily are buried on subsidiary toolbars.

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    Design for Use, not Construction!
    1. Re:It's already here: MS Recently Used menus by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      It's one of my least-favorite features of MS Office 2000 and newer, and of XP: The hiding of menus and toolbar buttons you don't normally use.

      *CLUESTICK WHACK*

      You can turn that off, if you want. In fact, you can turn most of Office's most annoying features off. The help file can even tell you how to do it.

      Even better, you can customize the whole kit and kaboodle to exactly the format you like.

    2. Re:It's already here: MS Recently Used menus by unfortunateson · · Score: 1

      Oh. I guess I should have mentioned that it's the FIRST thing I change when I get a new machine with either XP or Office on it.

      It's the users and relations I have to support that make it still a living heck.

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      Design for Use, not Construction!
  67. Oh no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't have a secretary in my computer. I can't jack off looking at porns when a female is in my computer...

  68. Secretary? Think again... by el_gregorio · · Score: 1
    They would ... remember past experiences (for instance, that you tend to make errors in multiplication), and alert you to mistakes.
    Secretary? Sounds more like a nagging wife.

    I can also foresee TIVO-style confusion about your interests. If you get a lot of spam, is your computer secretary going to start fetching the latest goatse.cx offerings every morning?

    And if so, can it sue you for sexual harassment?

    --
    "You want a toe? I can get you a toe by three o'clock... with nail polish."
  69. It looks like.. by mrwonka · · Score: 2, Funny

    your computer was just turned on. Would you like to...

    A. Porn
    B. Slashdot

  70. No by the+bluebrain · · Score: 1

    We'll just end up double-guessing a computer that's doing its demented best at double-guessing us.

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  71. testing vs. implementation by lone_marauder · · Score: 2, Funny

    So they tested this technology with air traffic controllers to determine if it was safe to implement for PHBs. I believe I would have chosen a different test group.

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  72. a typical day at home... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (your wife trying to use your computer) 16:56 PM -- Good Afternoon HOT STUD...it looks like you're browsing the internet, would you like to continue RESEARCHING the topic of GENITAL DOCKING PROCEDURES OR AFRO WHORES?

  73. Helpful! by whterbt · · Score: 3, Funny

    It looks like you're trying to land an airplane!

    Would you like to find out...

    • ...how to turn on the runway lights?
    • ...information on the runways?
    • ...how to use Print Preview?
    • ...more about Microsoft(C) ATC(TM) 2000?
    • ...how to turn me the f*ck off?
    --
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  74. bob by smatt-man · · Score: 1

    It should do well, as long as they don't call it Bob.

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  75. ATC? by Kosi · · Score: 1

    The software has already been tested with air traffic controllers

    When, in September 2001?

  76. Oh great, more nagging... by fizban · · Score: 1

    "I notice you are doing a homework assignment that you already did exactly 1 year ago. Did you by chance fail your class? May I suggest an alternate answer for question number 3, as the results from last year indicate that your current answer is incorrect?"

    --

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  77. Not new. by teamhasnoi · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Open Sesame (1993!) by Charles River Analytics for the mac did stuff like this: would 'learn' when you did things and open programs for you, where you saved files, how often you rebuilt the desktop, ect.

    You could also direct it by voice command. I had this program back in the day, heady stuff at the time.

    Here's a pile of other stuff on Software Assistants.

    1. Re:Not new. by brakk · · Score: 1

      So, how is this different from all the other ideas Microsoft stole from Mac/Apple?

  78. Sounds like an old joke... by Halloween+Jack · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...that was originally told about Hollywood types, but can be adapted to IT quite easily.

    OK, so this IT company is having its annual retreat somewhere out in the desert, and an engineer and a marketdroid get into an argument about something. They wander off into the desert, and are so into it that they don't realize that they're walking directly into a sandstorm until it's too late. They stumble around blindly, and by the time the sandstorm lets up, they're completely lost.

    A few hours later, the sun's directly overhead, vultures are circling, and the two are on their knees, begging God to save them and promising to lead virtuous lives if they could just get something to drink--and *ping*, there's a pitcher of ice-cold beer sitting on a rock. The engineer staggers forward, croaking "We're saved!"

    The marketdroid holds him back and strokes his chin, saying "No, wait--the color's all wrong. Tell you what, let me piss in it first to make it look better."

    --
    I looked into the abyss, and the abyss looked into me--and we both winked.
    1. Re:Sounds like an old joke... by GT_Alias · · Score: 0
      I read it. It wasn't funny.

      I re-read it. It still wasn't funny.

      Maybe tonight when I'm in the outhouse staring at the wall it will suddenly become uproariously funny, but in the mean time I'm just going to have to assume that I was duped into reading a joke that just really wasn't funny.

    2. Re:Sounds like an old joke... by Halloween+Jack · · Score: 1
      I'm just going to have to assume that I was duped into reading a joke that just really wasn't funny.


      Next time I'll put "YMMV" about a couple dozen times into the title. Or not.

      --
      I looked into the abyss, and the abyss looked into me--and we both winked.
  79. Air Traffic Controllers by mlmurray · · Score: 1

    The software has already been tested with air traffic controllers."

    Please excuse my ignorance, but are air traffic controllers who we want beta testing new software?

  80. Have you been drinking this morning? by HookedOnPhonics · · Score: 0
    1. behaivoir
    2. corperate
    Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to insult the intelligence of your users.
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    You fucking idiot!!!
  81. "prototype" != "test" by ianscot · · Score: 1
    The article doesn't describe "tests" with air traffic controllers, it mentions a "prototype" system that uses a model of the ATC user's usual behavior to interpret situations.

    In their prototype they say 9 out of 10 times, the computer interprets situations the way the user does. This is after a "cognitive model" of the user's behavior has been built to start with. The M.O. is to abet the user's typical process, not to instruct her or him in how to "use a computer" -- it isn't clippy in any sense, though we've had a few posts about how ATCs shouldn't have to be "taught" this way. The idea is:

    Such a computer could alert the operator to a problem the operator hasn't picked up on yet.

    In such a system, how close is a 90% score to useful? Seems like a potential distraction at that rate of failure, but the article isn't clear about what that 90% really means...

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  82. Wow, my own personal secretary! by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

    That's a lot more appealing from a marketing point of view than the alternative way of looking at it:

    Air Traffic Tammy: "Roger delta foxtrot bravo niner, continue on that glide path."

    Clippy2: "It looks like you're writing a letter! Do you want help with that?"

    Air Traffic Tammy: "The hell? Get off my screen, you piece of crap!"

    Clippy2: "It sounds like you're becoming tired and snippy! Do you want me to take over?"

    Air Traffic Tammy: "Shut up! Get off the screen! Exit! Undo! Quit!"

    Clippy2: "I landed that plane for you! In the lake, right?"

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  83. But.... by Harker · · Score: 1

    Can it bring me a good cup of coffee?

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    When VCR's are outlawed, only outlaws will have VCR's.
  84. Open the pod bay doors, Hal by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 1
    the computer is sitting there "watching" all the same things the operator sees and is attempting to interpret, using the operator's cognitive model -- essentially, a mathematical model of the user's behavior -- what's going on.

    Does that mean lip-reading?

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    When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
  85. 2 Retnus Monkey's & one of these... by Yanray · · Score: 0

    2 Retnus Monkey's & one of these could probably be taught to do most of my job. I just hope the fecus throwing monkeys don't start to rub off on my E-Sec.

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    --"Sorry for the inconvience." Gods Last Words to his Creation
    DNA, So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
  86. It exists: The Brain by aunchaki · · Score: 2, Informative

    The next killer app, in my opinion, is the application that allows you to not only save content, but also the context

    This already exists. It's called The Brain and it's a replacement for standard filesystem browsers. It lets you file and browse anything (files, websites, binaries, etc...) and make your own interconnections between any objects based on your own [twisted] logic.

    I've wanted to try it, but it's Windows-only. I've thought about building a simple MySQL app that does something similar, but it wouldn't have the cool 3D Java/ActiveX/whatever object browser that's mocked up on the front page of their website.

  87. More crap... by biz0r · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Do people REALLY think this will work for a day to day user? I think not...this simply is another layer of fog in between you and the operating system that very well may not match your needs/wants. Personally, I prefer to know exactly where I place files...it kind of helps with knowing where they are. Also, pop-ups are annoying...no matter what form they come in they always get in your way somehow. What if a user changes his habits? That means the software no longer is working for, but against you. What if someone else jumps on your computer for a day while you are out sick? It will merge some of their habits with yours...creating more crap to deal with.

    Really, this is similar to adding another abstraction layer into software...another source of error, except in this example...its definitely prone to error...causing myself and countless other admins/software engineers lots and lots of headaches.

    Rather than working to make computers use with the users...which is ass-backwards, creating all sorts of nasty problems IMO...how about we make users learn to use the technology properly...like it should be?

    I should also note that there are several bottlenecks with implementing this accross all software, since all software works in different ways...that means each developer will have to write this 'AI' crap into it...I don't know about other developers..but I say hell no to more cruft.

    Humans are not predictable enough in their habits for something like this to work...even the same person changes their habits over time...which will make keeping up with what data is where even more difficult.

    Thanks but....I think I'll pass on this one.

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  88. If programmers program by crovira · · Score: 1

    analysts analyze, and managers manage, do secretaries secrete?

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  89. Mrs. Secretary by benhuot · · Score: 0

    Do I have to adress my computer as Secretary now?

    1. Re:Mrs. Secretary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's Miss Matrix the Severe to you, slave!

  90. Is it me or... by flea69 · · Score: 0

    ...is anyone else nervous they are using Air Traffic Controllers to test software?

  91. Sony and DARPA are working on similar technology by smartalix · · Score: 3, Informative

    As it has been pointed out, the concept of an intelligent computer assistant is not new. In addition to the other projects mentioned, Sony is working on a project they call the "Sensing Computer", a PDA-sized device that will contain a software agent that will memorize your data and your usage patterns in everything from your passwords to your friends names and birthdays to your favorite ice cream, and will prompt you when you need info and/or are dealing with the world around you.

    Darpa is working on a project under its total information awareness program called "lifelog", where a computer model will be developed of your likes, dislikes, behavior patterns, and everythign about you so that a computer model can be built. This model could then be used to predict behavior or spotlight devations from the norm that may indicate criminal or terrorist activity. Kind of like a predicitive "Big Brother" AI. If this technology comes to pass, it will make Orwell's nightmare look like a shopping mall in comparison.

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  92. What a waste of money... by Hackie_Chan · · Score: 1

    Why are companies investing millions and millions of dollars on research on things like this instead of just making easier software to use? It's like inventing a special gizmo to turn your computer off when all you need to do is to unplug the cable.

    Sometimes humanity worry me.

    --

    What's so bad about being lazy? What if there was a war and nobody showed up?
  93. could it learn pron viewing habbits? by V_drive · · Score: 1

    "hmmm"
    [click]
    (popup) "you did NOT want to click there--trust me"

    that could be a life-saver, but it had better has hell work right. i don't want clippy randomly popping up with:
    "it appears you are trying to view morbidly obese gay midget S & M. perhaps you would like to view these images..."
    "GAAAA!!!! Undo! Undo!"

    ...and it had better separate users... "um...timmy...why don't you use mom's computer for your school report...dad's is...um...yeah, use mom's"

    technology does have its ugly side.

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    1. Re:could it learn pron viewing habbits? by robi2106 · · Score: 1

      You mean you are still on a single user OS?

      jason

  94. The perfect beta test market... by DrWhizBang · · Score: 1

    The software has already been tested with air traffic controllers.

    This is a great place to test new software, isn't it? I wonder what the implications would be if the computer "guesses" wrong. Like what if the computer figured out that I am a screw-up, so it scheduled two planes to land on the same runway at once just to save me the trouble?

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  95. Agent Smith by Uncle+Op · · Score: 1
    Remembrance agents have been around for a while. They learn, and they can be intrusive, er, obsequious, or come only when called.

    Q: Do you anticipate a lot of privacy concerns over this?
    A: Absolutely. We're O.K. with the idea that other people sitting in our office know most of what we do. But people are much less comfortable that there's a record of this on their computer. There's also the issue of security. But [monitoring of employee activities] already [goes] on.
    Actually, I'm not "really O.K." with the idea that others in my office know most of what "we" do; that's why I work from home. I don't mind my family knowing, though, which is why I work from home. What my employer should want to know is that a) I'm getting the desired task accomplished and b) not doing something that can directly and negatively impact the company. But "b" shouldn't be a problem if the employer has vetted me to their satisfaction, which is a completely different problem.
  96. But Boss, I REMEMBER you said... by PonyHome · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, this was obviously written by somebody who has never BEEN an Executive Secretary (or administrative assistant or whatever). You try telling your boss that what he wants today is EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what he wanted last week and see how far it gets you. In order to REALLY bury your job be sure to keep notes and feed his own words back to him.

  97. No... by PaulGrimshaw · · Score: 1

    we leave that up to the microsoft code writers.

  98. Mimics uers? i can see it now by geekoid · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dave, I noticed you opened up the cd tray, would you like some coffee?

    Dave, I don't have an any key.

    Dave, your boss has sent an email, should I make it look like you replied afer normall working hours?

    Dave, I noticed several banners and pop-ups, so I click on them for you.

    Dave, Based on the web sites you visit, I have ordered you some penis enlargement pills.

    Dave, I just made you rich by emails the Minister of Finances widow your bank account.

    Dave, Based on your emails, I ordered you a package from Hormel.

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  99. Daily $.50 by SunPin · · Score: 1

    Just about every afternoon, I stop by the beachside pool for an hour of laps. Entrance costs $1.50. I always hand over a $5. I always get $4.50 back. Explaining the situation doesn't help since there's the language, age and progressive barriers with the clerk. I'm in a wheelchair and the few times I've tried to mention that I got too much change, she smiles and says, "ok." So whatever...GRACIAS!

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    1. Re:Daily $.50 by mhesseltine · · Score: 1

      I hate to nitpick, but wouldn't this scenario result in a "Daily $1.00" not a "Daily $.50"?

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    2. Re:Daily $.50 by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Entrance costs $1.50. I always hand over a $5. I always get $4.50 back. Explaining the situation doesn't help since there's the language, age and progressive barriers with the clerk.

      Ever consider that maybe you're getting a discount for showing up every damn day?

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  100. What if... by EvilAlien · · Score: 1
    ... the user is a complete idiot? Will the computer learn to compensate, or will the artificial intelligence take on the "logic" (or lack thereof) of the user rather than constantly fix what s/he screws up?

    Will the artificial intelligence become bitter and spiteful like human technical support? Will the computer evetually yell at the user one day, and get fired, go on a leave of absence, or quit, just like real tech support does after being in the job too long?

    In other words, will there be Post Technical Support Disorder built into the AI?

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  101. Tissue prompt... by advocate_one · · Score: 1

    Dave... I've noticed you're browsing one-handed again... I think you'll find the tissues in that drawer there...

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  102. What if... by tspilman · · Score: 1

    The software has already been tested with air traffic controllers.

    Clippy: It looks like your trying to land a plane...

    And in related news: Plane with two crew members crashes off Cape Cod

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  103. clippy controlling air traffic? by chochos · · Score: 2, Funny
    The software has already been tested with air traffic controllers
    It looks like a 747 is about to crash. Would you like to...
    • point it to a nearby mountain?
    • point it to a nearby airport?
    • play again?
  104. So? by pclminion · · Score: 1
    Big whoop, I can post a link to a billion papers too.

    The vast majority of what is happening on the "bleeding edge" is happening at places other than Microsoft.

    1. Re:So? by sholden · · Score: 1

      Except that what I posted was a link to papers with a Microsoft researcher amongst the authors, and hence provides evidence that Microsoft does in fact do real research that gets peer reviewed and found to advance the "state of the art".

      The vast majority of what is happening on the "bleeding edge" is happening it other places than *any* one place. Bleeding edge stuff is done by lots of people in lots of places, there is no single majority contributor.

      Microsoft does real research, their staff get published in real journals, and present at real conferences.

      They did Bayesian Spam Filtering a couple of years before Paul Graham reinvented a less useful version, as one example.

      Just because the work of the research arm doesn't get reflected in their commercial products doesn't mean they don't do good research. It just means their marketers know that the public buys shiny things in preference to useful things.

    2. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only reason it tries to employ (what it considers are) the Best people is to prevent them working on competing products. It then part-sponsors them (read the sponsorship info on the papers if you want), and gives them some space to host everything they've ever written, with the help of MS or not, doing just enough to make people like you think it's a research powerhouse.

    3. Re:So? by sholden · · Score: 1

      So what.

      The claim was that being employeed by microsoft research would be the last thing you would do if you wanted to advance the state of the art.

      Getting sponsorship seems like exactly what you would do. Partial sponsorship is even better, since then you can gobble up resources from multiple places to do your work - and hopefully collaborate with more people.

      People who want to advance the state of art tend to not produce "competing products" anyway - it takes a while for the work to trickle down to the mainstream, by which time the researchers have moved on to something more interesting (and hopefully loaded up with cash by selling the old stuff).

  105. Re:Two words: Been there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haven't we seen enough of this, "I know better than you about what you want to do?" Doesn't anyone find it DUMB that you have to TELL the software that you want the first letter of a word to be lower-case (because you wanted it lower-case, and you typed it lower-case, but it decides that you really wanted it to be upper-case)? This software may work for truly clueless users, but I think it will be nothing but an annoyance for those with even moderate computer skills.

  106. Wrong spelling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It should be spelt with 'ra' instead of 'li'...

  107. ATC with a 10 % Margin or Digital Spouse? by fygment · · Score: 1

    Thanks to our software, when you stop the simulation and ask the computer and the operator, "What do you think is going on right now?" about 90% of the time you get the same answer from both. Such a computer could alert the operator to a problem the operator hasn't picked up on yet.

    So 90% of the time they could both be wrong OR 10% of the time they'd be bickering. And this improves the system how? OK, maybe it's cheaper to marry the software but I don't see how it improves air traffic control.

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  108. Primary source: Sandia Labs by diegoq · · Score: 1
    The researcher, Chris Forsythe, does research on cognitive systems and models.

    You can read the original press release from Sandia National Labs.

    There is also a list of the researcher's publications. If that link doesn't work, try seaching for "Forsythe, James Chris" as author alphabetical at the Sandia Technical Library. Many of his papers are available as PDF online from that site.

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  109. I could be wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    but it looks like they are using a knowledgebase approach to implicitly build a profile of the user. The word that makes me think it is using knowledgebase/case based reason is the term "inference". If that is what they are doing, they are most likely using clips or Jess rules engine. The technology itself has been around for a while and both rules engine implement the RETE algorithm defined by Charles Forgy in the 80's.

    The reporter needs to do more research before writing an article.

  110. Hot air by gnalle · · Score: 1

    There are no specifications on the program that they wish to make. There are no descriptions of how they wish to do it. Basically this everything is hot air.

  111. TRON by atr0p1s · · Score: 1

    Have we learned nothing from TRON? A Master Control Program is destined to gain superintelligence in an attempt to control all of the world's computers, and how would you like that?

  112. Uh-oh! by LilGuy · · Score: 1

    Well lets just hope that they are screening the aircraft controllers like they are everything else in the airport.

    We wouldn't want the computer to tell a terrorist in disguise how to better crash the planes together now would we?

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  113. OT: Sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your sig link returns funky php errors...

  114. Killer App? by medscaper · · Score: 2, Funny
    The next killer app, in my opinion, is the application that

    Oh, I'd say AI that lands a plane is killer app enough for anyone.

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  115. You're looking at it the wrong way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is an intelligent agent that quickly figures out your preferences in pr0n, and then downloads them for you! Thus freeing up your hands for, er, other things!

  116. Your tax dollars at work by Animats · · Score: 1
    Sandia National Labs reinvents "Clippy".

    Lawrence Livermore, Los Alamos, and Sandia were all built for the A-bomb program. With that project complete a generation ago, they've ended up as senior activity centers for aging physicists. The results obtained are small compared to the size of the operations. At least two of those centers should be closed.

    NASA has the same problem. NASA's real mission was completed 30 years ago, and they've been running on empty ever since. NASA has too many centers, and is really just a pork program, like farm subsidies.

    Both of these dead-end organizations eat up resources that would be better expended via the National Science Foundation. Young, smart people don't go to Sandia or Los Alamos, and haven't since the 1960s.

    We need research centers, but we need to kill off some of the deadwood.

  117. Thinks of the money savings by El · · Score: 1

    Millions of dollars in avoided sexual harrassment lawsuits, just by having geeks do all their own typing!

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  118. 90% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and that same answer is: Operator: "I think the computer is fucked up!" Computer: "I think I fucked up!" Yep, same answer!

  119. Cuz he knows what I really want... by ek778 · · Score: 1

    Learned Activity: "I've noticed you share a lot of music online." Learned Response: "I'll automatically go get your subpoena for you online. :-)" Let's just make sure the RIAA doesn't program this thing.

  120. I'm sorry Dave... by Borg#9 · · Score: 1

    Dammit! I said 'Delete the #$%^&! file!

    I'm sorry Dave, I can't allow you to do that.

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  121. oh great by Transcendent · · Score: 2, Funny

    The idea is for computers to learn how to use with users -- instead of vice versa.

    I can just imagine tech support phone calls:

    Tech: Ok, now tap Ctrl-Esc to bring up your start menu.

    Customer: Oh... I usually don't do that.

    Tech: Ok then, just click on it with your mouse.

    Customer: My start menu dissappeared because I never click on it.

    Tech: Then what DO you do?

    Customer: Oh I forget... Apple-Shift-V? Wait... no...

    Tech: .... Ok, then just double click on "My Computer".

    Customer: Oh! That! I usually just pound on the left side of my keyboard until it comes up, but I broke it yesterday so I only have the mouse. But I never used my mouse before to do that so moving it just shuts down my computer.

    Tech: ::click::

  122. it depends on the application... by DrEasy · · Score: 1

    ...and it depends on how it's done.

    Say *you* (not Clippy) want to automate a repetitive task, but do not want to learn how to program it. You could put the program in "learn mode" right when you are in the middle of this repetitive task. From time to time you would check to see if Clippy has learnt how to execute that task properly. At that point you would let it do the rest.

    Once the task is finished, you could either "unlearn" the task, keep it in Clippy's database, or just plain disable Clippy.

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    1. Re:it depends on the application... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the problem with that: it may work once. it may work three times. it may work seven times in a row. then you start to rely on it, and as it continues to produce acceptable output you check the entirety of the output for errors less carefully. then it fucks up. the problem is that unless you specify the parameters explicitly, there will be plenty of tasks which seem simple enough both to the AI *and* to the user, but which aren't really that simple (the user has not considered the depth of the task adequately).

      gonna get fuckups, and you're gonna miss them.

    2. Re:it depends on the application... by DrEasy · · Score: 1

      Agreed, and that's why it depends on the application! If the task can be accomplished with some approximation and tolerance to error, then a learning Clippy might be suitable.

      If you want to emulate human intelligence you must also accept the approximations that will come with it. When you delegate a task to a human being, you don't expect everything to be perfect either.

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      "In our tactical decisions, we are operating contrary to our strategic interest."
  123. Hang "Clit^Hppy very high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Death to stupid designs

  124. CyberSecretary is the coolest.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back in 1999, I downloaded a copy of CyberSecretary for my windows machine. It was really cool. I even had a copy of Dragon Naturally Speaking and could actually speak to my CyberSecretary to do little useful chores for me. It even had a very simple built-in scripting language to extend it's capabilities. I thought it was great. My girlfriend even got jealous...she thought I had another girlfriend named Cheryl(the CyberSecretary's name).
    I haven't used it in years, but it sure was a great useful little program -- it would be neat to have a linux version of the program. I think I'll download it again to see if it's still as cool.

  125. It's almost human too! MS should buy them out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I always felt guilty for not purchasing a licence for it -- the cyber secretary asks if I would like to register her (with a hopeful, expectant look in her eyes).
    When I click no, she gives me this sad pouty face and says something like "You don't think I'm worth paying for?...Oh...O.K" Gee...made me feel so guilty. :-(

    If MS used CyberSecretary instead of their stupid Clippy...MS Office and Outlook would probably be considered "cool" today.

  126. I'll never use it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    The goddamn computer gives me too much backtalk already. I can't stand when a program tries to make decisions for me or prompt me with what it thinks is correct behaviour.

    Just delete the file and stop asking for confirmation!
    Yes, I want to overwrite that file!
    No, I don't want to register!
    No, I am not interested in special offers!
    No, I don't want to change my password now!
    No, I am not writing a goddamn letter!
    Yes, I want to play global thermonuclear warfare!

  127. Yup...still as cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just downloaded it again...just as I remembered...Cheryl hasn't aged a bit. :-)

  128. Postal Workers.... by SansAKilt · · Score: 1

    Executive Secretary Instructions for Postal Workers: "No! No! No! You need to use short bursts when gunning downing fellow employees."

  129. I don't want an executive secretary in my computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't want an executive secretary in my computer...I want an INTERN under my DESK.

  130. What I want from a digital assistant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It should track all my contacts, all my phone numbers, all email or instant messenger communication with everyone I know. It should track who is on vacation, when birthdays are for my contacts or their families. For important people in my list it should automatically order cards and/or flowers to be delivered to them on special occassions.

    It should track my appointments and I should just be able to tell it, please schedual an appointment with bob n. and it will work with my schedual and bob's digital assistant to work out a time to meet.

    It should cross reference all my files in an index so that things can be found in a dozen ways.

    It should answer all my calls and send most people into voice mail.

    Just before a meeting with someone I should get full details about that person on my screen so that I can take 20 seconds and get upto speed on them. After the meeting I should be able to make a few notes or add a few to do's and store it in context with the meeting.

    It should present me with a to-do list every morning and produce a weekly report of everything that I have accomplished.

    It should know the distinction between work and home and screen callers accordingly. I.E. Good luck for a business associate to call me on the weekend, unless I have them also marked as a personal friend.

    And all this should be available from any computer that has a connection to the internet.

    Oh yeah, and it should make sure any computer I sit down at has all the desktop preferences matching my needs as possible, same background, same screen saver settings, same password protection on screen saver, same tool bar location, same apps in same place on tool bar, no matter if I am on an apple box, a unix workstation, a linux box or a windows box.

  131. It's been available for years, if you can find it. by micsaund · · Score: 1

    It's called Microsoft Bob. Yeah, MS was really just ahead of their time!

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  132. Cheryl is way better than Clippy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's a more useful cybersecretary.
    Looks like the site hasn't been updated in a while.
    Would be neat if a Linux version could be developed.

  133. Duplicate by TwinEngine · · Score: 1

    from the less-obvious-duplicates-dept.

    "Cognitive Machines Help Decision-Making"

    Does this count? The original story, if not the linked article, is the same. Do I get a prize?

  134. saving context by ^Z · · Score: 1

    The real problem is defining and describing context. Most people won't carefully and meaningfully tag their files, etc, because it's a time-consuming and brain-straining task. That's where AI could shine, if it would only be able to divine such descriptions from context -- with tolerable (near zero) error rate. Maybe in 10-20 years... :-)

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    Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes