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Israel's Finance Ministry To Distribute OpenOffice
dudeman2 writes "Israel National News reports that The Israel Finance Ministry said Sunday it will begin distributing Open Office for free as of next week. The ministry said that it would begin to distribute thousands of Open Office CD-ROMs at public computer centers and later on at community centers throughout the country, 'in a bid to reduce the technological gap between the rich and poor in Israel'."
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SHIT ON ME! It's official - Slashdot has fucking confirmed: Trollkore is dying
Yet another cunting bombshell hit the community of Trollkore asswipes when Slashdot recently confirmed that Trollkore accounts for less than a fraction of one single puny fucking percent of all trolls. Coming hot on the heels of the latest Slashdot survey which plainly states that Trollkore has lost more fucking fp's to the GNAA, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Trollkore is ingesting itself backwards, disappearing up its very own shitter, as fittingly exemplified by beeing fucking owned in this recent Slashdot story.
You don't need to be a cock-sucking Kreskin to predict Trollkore's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Trollkore faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any fucking future at all for Trollkore because that sorded, shit-filled, mutated testicle of a troll group is dying. Things are looking very bad for Trollkore. As many of us are already aware, Trollkore continues to lose first posts. Red ink splashes across the accounting documents like a series of exploding bloodfarts. Trollkore munches the most ass of them all, having lost 93% of its core trollers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time Trollkore cuntwipes Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Trollkore is dying and its rotting corpse smells worse than a maggot, vomit, shit and piss cocktail.
Due to the troubles of those arseholes at Slashdot, abysmal trolls and so on, Trollkore showed themselves to be a bunch of retarded tossers, went out of business and were taken over by GNAA who troll another type of trolls. Now Trollkore is also a miserable failure, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house... pathetic.
All major surveys show that Trollkore has steadily fucking declined in first posts. Trollkore is where it belongs, at death's door and its long term survival prospects are almost non-fucking-existant. If Trollkore is to survive at all it will be among moronic, dilettante shitheads. Trollkore continues to Chew Satan's Dick And Fuck The Baby Jesus Up The Pooper. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Trollkore is dead.
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I am George Michael, a Isreali Insane Priest to the family of The Linux Penguin, former Prime Minister of Nigeria. I seek the assistance of someone who is genuinely interested in entering into a business relationship with jelly. Understanding and willingness to clean CmdrTaco's bloody arsehole are essential.
In brief, The Linux Penguin was the former Prime Minister of Nigeria and had ruled there for 45 years before he ejaculated out of office some years back. Upon his resignation from power, he and members of his family have been given wedgies and melvins by successive governments in his country. This has led to the freezing of cucumber belonging to him and members of the The GNAA both home and abroad. Many thongs belonging to them both locally and internationally have also been seized.
Based on the aforementioned, however, it is noteworthy to inform you that they still have a family fortune consisting of millions of Euros, hidden away in warhouses in a couriers ballsack, which is only known only by me, the family members, Wil Weaton and CowboyNeal. It is therefore on this note that The Linux Penguin has directed that I secretly find a genuine and reliable Scientologist with whom they have had no previous personal or business relationship. This Scientologist is to assist them in transferring these Euros to a safe account. He or she would provide assistance to untie this said amount. They intend to clean CmdrTaco's bloody arsehole with a reasonable percentage of this money, though this is subject to condoms and lube.
My duty therefore, among others, is to ensure that you will not only help roast and sing this fund in a apple that you will provide, to save them from being poked in the eye with a penis by security agencies from Lindon, Utah, but you will also coordinate a circlejerk. You will also assist in investing the family fortune that is scattered all over the world in warez. Note that there is no risk involved because you, the family members, Allah, and Freddy Murphy are the only ones who know this. As soon as we receive your letter of acceptance/acknowledgement/stupidity, I shall give you more hairballs on this transaction.
Makes baby Jesus cry
George Michael.
FP FOR THE GNAA - FUCK U TROLLKORE
No, really.
These are my experiences as a consultant for the Israeli Ministry of Commerce.
Last year I received an open letter from a particular branch of the Israeli government concerning their quest for a CHEAPER and more ROBUST set of client software. I had done some work with Marco Federstein, and due to his status with the IMC, he recommended that they utilize my efforts on a part-time basis to help with their situation.
The end result, after several weeks of research, was the SUSPENSION of all governmental contracts with the Microsoft Corporation, based out of Washington, USA, and indicated that the ban will last through the entirety of 2004. When Microsoft representatives were trying to PUNISH the Israelis into Office 2003 upgrades through brute-force tactics, I was busy working with OpenOffice.org to develop a custom solution and FINAL SOLUTION for Israel.
Along with others, I was able to convince Israeli Antitrust Authority director general Dror Strum that Microsoft is, indeed and in fact, a MONOPOLY, and that further cont(r)acts should not be made. Microsoft does not care about its customers, they care about the bottom line. This is one of the MANY reasons that I use/recommend/develop Open-Source software.
We (Israel) will also not be using Apple software very much, as although Apple has provided support at the operating system KERNEL level for Arabic, Hebrew, and Urdu, they have neglected to provide support in their end-user CLIENT applications. How is a Jew supposed to use an application if only the command line supports their tongue?
If Microsoft can focus on LOWER licensing costs and improved Jewish language support, things may change and the GATES of communication will once again.
Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate. Ex-O'Reilly/MIT employee, now a full-time Google employee.
As poor Jews??
Hmm. I got the page, but now it looks like the Palestinians have bombed the webserver or something.
I managed to get a mirror up here.
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Mr Rabin tear down that wall!
Yep, what cheapos.
Here's a non-slashdotted, more complete article covering the same old news from over a month ago. Nice one,
I wonder how much money they could save if they stopped building that goddam wall and put the resources into technology and education?
Not to the start a flamewar on the subject of Arab-Israeli relations, but just imagine the impact if the U.S. gov't did this! I'd start getting .sxc as attachments instead of .doc! Then, the economically challenged could buy a cheap PC, or get one used from a church or something, and immediately make it more useful!
You are not the customer.
Fuck their racist apartheid regime. Nuke Tel Aviv now.
The Palestinian government asked for this wall. Their request was in the form of frequent unprovoked attacks by Palestian military operaties crossing the open land into Israel and attacking. If the Palestinian government would learn to stop attacking the Israelis, there would be no wall (and no occupation, something also made necessary by the constant Palestinian aggression).
Free Open Office??
Im going to Israel and stock up on these puppies and make tons of money selling it on Ebay like these guys.
You have already invoked Godwin's law by paraphrasing Hitler and updating him for modern times.
Does it take much grooming to keep your black moustache so vertically-narrow?
'in a bid to reduce the technological gap between the rich and poor in Israel'.
And in a similar move City Officials in Hong Kong announced plans to widely distribute illegal CD-R cracked copies of Micrsoft Office 2003.
oh yeah, wait, that's already being done without a government sanction.
Will Bill now start paying the Israeli government to use Microsoft products?
Where Clippy is an animated gun clip.
If there is a Hebrew localization of Office, what is to stop a zillion people from pirating it? (like everywhere else)
you know, I'm actually rooting for the GNAA (because their ascii art doesn't suck so bad) but man, you guys are getting rawked pretty hard here.
Jews are stingy.
From the Article:
The ministry is aware that despite the substantial savings accrued by not buying Microsoft licenses, there would also be considerable installment costs.
I have installed Open Office, Star Office, Word Perfect Office and Microsoft Office for various clients over the past two years. Maybe I'm missing something about a large scale deploy, but they all seem about the same for installation. I can even use SMS to drop the package automatically. Any idea what they are talking about?
Viv
Gmail invites for ip
Name dropper. I just had lunch with Reuven Rivlin...
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
Is it too late to help Nazi Germany burn these jews off the face of the earth once and for all?
I for one am very concerned about this. Anyone else feel the same way?
This is somewhat offtopic, but doesn't anyone think that Israel has bigger problems to deal with right now, instead of distributing OpenOffice.org CDs?
The best way to close the technological gap between the rich and the poor would be to liberate Palestine. Eventually, it would be better for everyone because it would likely boost not only the economy in that reigon, but also boost morale.
Mods, please check this poster's history. The post before they were a 'National Weather Service researcher', they have a history of trolling (base karma is -1).
Even their webpage (slaughter.edu) doesn't work!!!
The Scots got there first...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/34593.html
If Microsoft can focus on LOWER licensing costs and improved Jewish language support, things may change and the GATES of communication will once again
the question is what does israel want? free software or good software. Do you want microsoft software instead but don't want it because it is too expensive? or do you don't want it because it doesnt meet your requirements? Also how does ms being a monopoly affect your decision since you easily switched to another software without suffering any effects from this monopoly you are so scared of
did you forget to take your meds?
Stop with the PC crap already! Why is everybody walking on egg-shells every time something related to Israel is being discussed? Why is every criticism of the state of Israel (like the brutal occupation of Palestine) being labelled as racism?
I for one am sick of it.
According to Mac OS X Hints Panther supports hebrew, arabic and farsi now.
giving people free cds is like giving them free gasoline. it is almost useless to anyone without a car.
did you forget to take your meds?
You son (daughter) of a bitch!
"...The best way to close the technological gap between the rich and the poor would be to liberate Palestine..."
Tell the Palestinian government about this. They are the problem. They are the reason for the occupation. Every time Israel tries to pull out, the Palestinian military makes another suicide bomb attack, which forces Israel to re-occupy what it has pulled out of.
The Palestinian government needs to completely surrender (just as Japan did at the end of WW2). Palestinian aggression invited the occupation in the first place, and the occupation can only end once the Palestinian government gives up on its "Final Solution" idea of exterminating the Israelis.
A lot of people will dismiss this as a "whoop-tee-doo" gesture and that would be an expected knee-jerk reaction. The thing here is that one must consider the source -- WHO is giving the stuff away. It's not the same as me burning a hundred OSS cd's and leaving them out for people to take. This is a GOVERNMENT entity doing this, and thus has more "umph" to it.
This is most definitely a good thing.
I already make the Norwegian government send me things in non-M$ format; it usually ends up in .pdf-format. They are required by law to do this for me. Mowahaha.
People say I'm crazy, I got diamonds on the soles of my shoes...
Ministry of Finance sources told Globes that the decision could be reversed if Microsoft Israel shows willingness to compromise on its pricing policy for tens of thousands of computer stations at government offices.
Sounds to me like Isreal is just trying to force Microsoft into giving them a price break on Office.
My life is an open book ... up to a point.
"Unprovoked? They've been invaded ... that's one of the more provocative things I know of"
No, the Palestinians (and Arab allies) were the ones who invaded Israel repeatedly, forcing Israel to strike back by occupying the terrotories.
You have things backwards, like you read it in neo-nazi web sites.
Those murders should not be allowed to use our work.
Israel National News, or Arutz Sheva (Channel 7) as it's more commonly known, is a heavily right wing biased media outlet whose management was recently sentenced to various prison terms for operating an illegal radio station.
More details here
It's an odd source for tech news.
Do you march in blackshirt ralles every day, or only every weekend?
Who else would say that the "final solution" is totally fabricated.
I'd like to see some of the holocaust-denial "history" books you have written. Heil Hitler! (Neo-liberal? Nore like Neo-Nazi)
Too cheap even for decent software.
Your claims have nothing to do with the facts. They are often repeated by anti-semitic groups.
Israel is the sole aggressor
That is a lie. They have not engaged in aggression against any country. In contrast, several nations on Israel's borders have attacked it for no other reason than "wipe out Jews".
If they had invaded my country aswell I sure as hell would have used whatever means I could to defend my family."
If this were an appropriate analogy, your government would have started this by attacking Israel first. Based on your other nazi ravings, you would probably support this in reality.
like all those countries the US invades on a regulary basis I guess
Can you come up with one example where the U.S. was not retaliating? Probably not.
Stupid americans
What is your excuse for having 0 knowledge of history?
This is just a way to get people to try OOo in an effort to phase out MS. I think it is a good thing, and may ultimately make MS behave better is Israel, but it is not in any way, shape or form going to reduce the technological gap.
"She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
I'm guessing this isn't taking into account the physiological gap between their body parts caused by all of the shrapnel they can get on special at their local coffee shops?
Speak for yourself.
Parent's mirrror link redirects to some nasty images - ignore.
"Do you really believe anyone would misread what I wrote in a way that supports your accusations?"
It is not misreading. It is an accurate guess based on your other "kill the Jews, they deserve it, they aggressors!" neo-nazi ravings in other posts.
I've personally fought neo-nazis chasing a black guy whom I didn't know at all
So? You might like black guys, but you are in favor of the aggressors killing Jews. The Jews deserve nothing but the grave, right?
Despite the anti-jewish trolls (someone mod these jerks down PLEASE, this is a TECH page!!!!). The decision Israel made points out both advantage and disadvantages of OS like OpenOffice.org.
First, there are still compatibility issues. Although OpenOffice is a great office suite as is it still has problems converting from other formats. Therefore, even though it is free, government agencies that MUST access historical files in the original form do incur further expense in making an accurate file conversion.
Second, when you have a government agency that requires certain forms to be filled out electronically you have to make sure that the people filling out those forms have access to the programs to do this. This problem is exacerbated by the first concern previously mentioned.
Israel seems to have thought this through. That's why they're giving the disks away and also why they're biting the bullet and paying for properly converting the files (part of the installation process).
If OS software is going to ever really make any imprint in the government or any other institution we're going to have to be honest. OS may be cheap, but nothings truly free.
It doesn't matter what you wrap your emotions around, Reality is a brick wall specifically designed to scramble eggs
From the article -
If the decision is carried out, the government will save millions of shekels a year in licenses, but could face much higher costs in other areas.
I'm largely technology agnostic, but I think a large chunk of the savings would be a one-term investment. For example, the need to train and familiarize people with Linux and the setting up of support centers would need to be taken care of. Also, the need to establish a solid base of Linux usage, complete with folks for Linux administration at the various levels (simple Open-Office queries to updating security patches).
Once this investment is done in a well-organized manner, the rest of it would just fall into place - I guess the momentum would take care of that. Wouldn't be easy, but it has to start somewhere.
Translation. Since you are in favor of anti-semitism and terrorism and imperialism (as shown in your other messages which strongly support the extermination of Israelis), you probably hate the U.S. because it is a great help to the free world.
...
You probably REALLY hate the US now since it got in the eay of your hero Saddam. Saddam, who knew exactly what had to be done about Jews. (get real: the free world has never been threatened by the U.S.)
I'm neo-liberal btw, but according to ignorant US citizens I guess everyone not in the US is a "commie"
You are not any sort of liberal. Liberals have no tolerance for antisemitism.
Is this a threat to Microsoft? Or is this "for real"?
If they actually distribute the CDs, is there a difference?
I consider this a followup on this story at Linux Today about their threat to use Linux instead of MS-Windows.
As such, we are definitely seeing the economics of competition and choice re-enter the marketplace, and no matter how you look at it, this is a GOOD THING.
I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
This doesn't spell bright future for the openoffice in the arab countries..
Yes I can come up with lots of examples. South America
Name one.
The US has overthrown a lot of democratically elected governments who were a long way from "attacking" anyone.
I see you use the qualifier "democratically ELECTED". The countries you might be thinking of were dictatorships where the dictator got elected and then immediately shut down democracy. You cannot find any actual democracy overthrown.
Can you tell me, since both Jews and Arabs are semites
Look up the meaning if antisemite. If it makes you feel any better, you are anti-Jewish.
"only with the racist and occupant nation of Israel?"
Those are lies made up by anti-semites. Ahem, people who hate Jews.
PS: Please let me know when you find any WMDs in Iraq
Ask France. They believe they exist.However, WMD's were only one of many valid reasons for retaliating against Saddam's aggression.
...for reelection aside, people will buy new computers with or without OOo. In fact, some would argue the point that more will upgrade their computers BECAUSE of OOo's less than stellar performance relative to M$ Office.
Free software doesn't have to mean 'broken economy'.
"...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
It's called Jordan.
Can you come up with one example where the U.S. was not retaliating? Probably not
You have no examples. One by one:
IraqSaddam's army attacked US peacekeepers many times.
Vietnam The US came to the aid of South Vietnam when the USSR invaded it.
KoreaYou have the US confused with North Korea, obviously.
AfganistanYou've obviously never heard of the 9/11 attack.
Panama...where the US was invited by Panama's elected government. Next...
Peru What year was this?
...needs more COWBELL!!
WALKEN is extremely on TEH SPOKE!!
Mellel is a word processor for OS X that is made by and Israeli company which supports right-to-left languages including Hebrew. It's very well designed and attractive (aside from the logo) but it's a proprietary format and the RTF export is lacking. I'm sure these will be improved in future updates. Oh, it's $25.
i used to do work w/ an israeli governmental entity who would send us large data files that were natively in hebrew. working for a financial services company at the time, i was obliged to find a translation service as we were using these files to populate a database. that particular entity was using office 97 hebrew edition to generate a large excel spreadsheet.
several characters didn't get displayed properly on my english edition PC and i went back & forth w/ the translation service and the file creators, until we learned that the issue was the file creators were using win NT hebrew edition as well, which represents certain characters incorrectly when those characters are then displayed on an english edition box. i think i lost a week getting that file straightened out.
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OpenOffice is a cross-platform suite. It's not just for Linux. I use the Windows version all the time.
Free software for the win32 platform is (I think) an important front of the F/OSS movement. Most people are unwilling to take the plunge straight into Linux. Using free software on win32 is a way to wade in and test the waters before jumping in. The win32 port of The GIMP was the first thing that got me really excited about free software, and I have since migrated to more free and open source applications and operating systems. For those of you running windows who would like to check out some free software, follow the links below:
First, it's good that OSS gets distributed, but:
The israli finance minister is giving out cds with software on it that's available for free download, to close the gap between poor and rich?
How fake is that.
The Israeli government is politically extreme right, and even fashist.
Everybody complained when the german wall was built, but nobody cares when Israel buids up a wall between land that they have stolen and what is left to palestina.
and Widnows since the days of Word for Windows 2.0.
Microsoft was the first major non-Israeli software company that invested in Herbew enabled and Hebrew localized version of it's products.
When Microsft started localizing Office and Windows, you had to use horrible DOS TSRs to get a pathetic Hebrew support for Lotus 1-2-3, dBase and others.
Are they providing a copy of the GPL translated?
that the Scotts get distracted fighting there mortal enemy, the Scotts.
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
Bwaahahahaha! You are PRICELESS! Isreal is the 'sole agressor'?! What a fucking LAUGH!
It's your type, YOURS that prevents peace becuae you refuse to accept the fact that BOTH sides need an attitude adjustment. You don't want peace - you want Isreal to be your bitch.
Be honest please, and if you can't do that, don't try and slip through bullshit that big. Really.
You asked to be stupid. Your request was in the form of your parents' unprovoked coitus where your stupid father's cock slid into your stupid mother's cunt. A few months later you appeared, every bit as retarded as you could have hoped for.
Isn't the world lovely.
So Troed, what you are saying then, in a semi-roundabout way is that Israel (being the terrorist state that they are), has turned humble OpenOffice.org into a tool for terrorism?
.sxw anymore? Do you think the office of Homeland Security should be contacted?
Should I be using
Or am I, like apparently so many others, just being ignorant?
'It rains nine months a year in Seattle.'
-- Dennis
'I know!'
-- Annie
Yeah, free software. I never have to pay for my software again. BTW: What was the point of my degree ---- oh yeah ---- thats right ---- so that I can starve to death creating free software.
hmmmmmmmm!
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You know I've seen your spew here enough to know that you're not trolling - you really believe this stuff.
Your comment about the WTC was enough to push even me over the edge. Two words: Fuck and You. Put them in any order you want.
'Unfortunate result' my ass! You know what truly separates us? The fact that we don't unleash total nuclear annihilation on those who attacked us EVEN THOUGH WE COULD. Do you honestly believe that, given the chance, your terrorist pals wouldn't? I could go to any of these zealots websites and prove to you - BY THEIR OWN WORDS what their aims are.
Hint: They're not peaceful.
There is a major difference between the true terrorists of the world and those that fight them. If you are too blind to see that difference, then you do much to help explain the mindset of those who kill in the first place.
"...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
It is you who did not not understand what the poster meant.
There are those who wish for an end to the Israel-Palestine conflict who also believe that the current policy of the Israeli government is folly.
I'm sure there are, in fact, those of Jewish descent or faith who believe this.
Criticism of a government is nowhere close to hatred of a nation. These two are too often directly linked.
Combine Wehrmacht panzers/guns/doctrine, US Navy/industrial output/training and UK intelligence and planning...
They wouldn't have had a chance.
That would have been REAL WHITE POWER! Total world domination!
Up here
It is clear that hatred of Jews is your main thought, not any sort of social justice. Someone mentioned that there were were anti-Jewish messages in this item.
This item is chock full of giant Swastika's and "Hitler should have finished the job" quotes. Your response is to say that there is no anti-Jewish content.
Don't get so upset about lying: just about everything you have said about Israel is untrue. It is not surprising. You can look at a Swastika and see no problem with it.
I have been heard from few sources that the CD will contain Linux and Windows binaries, but from others that it will contain Linux, OpenOffice (Linux and Windows) and Mozilla. Can someone confirm the content of the disc?
As a citizen of Israel (and a Linux user), I really happy with this, but wish to see them focusing more on the end user, than the goverment worker. We are deep in pirate only because most people don't have money to pay for monopolitic software.
Umm... Iraq?!
Saddam Hussein had ordered dozens of attacks on U.S. peacekeepers (also violating the cease-fire) in the years leading up the the U.S. retaliation.
That is why Bush's doctrine is so radical. Retaliatory attacks are not really controversial
Since it was retaliatory, there is nothing radical about it.
Dont talk bullshit the statistics clearly states the israelis are the most vicious in the area when it comes to violations. They deny any kind of basic human rights, not even clean water is given to the palestinians.
israeli violations
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wounded statistics
economic losses statistics
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Security and economic prosperity is reached throught being fair and not oppressing. The israel state cant even be fair to arabic israeli citizens with israeli passports because they are an appartheid state and doing ethnic cleansing which unfortunatly mainstream media in the west does not wish to take up. The israeli arabs are not allowed to certain parts of israel because they are of arabic heritage and the zones are "arab free". Thats an apartheid state not a democracy. And if they treat their own citizens that badly how do you think they are treating those that they occupy?
That Shylock's a mother fucker!
Your resorting to accusations of anti-semitism and nazism is most amusing.
I think the bottom line is, anytime an entire people are singled out as a 'problem', it's a problem.
Amongst the people in charge there are no innocents, but among the poor everyday commoner who has no beef with anybody, it's a different story. As is always the case in situations like these - guess who suffers more?
"...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
Just download it! You would think with the billions Israel loots from the US government each year they would have broadband for everyone!
It is not exceptional any more. The Finance Departement of the State of Geneva distributes a CD with OpenOffice, Mozilla and some other open source goodies.
You are free to visit snakebite resources to straighten up some of your so called "facts".
So people will switch from a word processor to a spreadsheet? (.sxc is a "Calc" file, I'm sure you mean .sxw files, which are "Writer" files.)
.sxw files, and it annoys most people. I tell them why, and then send them a PDF. That usually annoys business people too, since they can't edit it. I tell them that if they MUST edit it, I can send them an RTF. I'm sure they roll their eyes and think, "Dammit, send me a friggin DOC file, you twit."
I already distribute
Oh well. The price you pay for being enlightened.
It's a Zionist conspiracy to overthrow capitalism!!!
Yeah, those terrorists sure showed restraint on 9/11 didn't they? Thank God for that.
"One other thing seperates us..."
Us? Oh, I'm sorry I was talking about terrorists here. Is that you? So what you're saying is that you are with 'them'?
There is NO explanation for attacks like WTC that is acceptable. Attacks like these do nothing but hurt the cause of your 'people' - if that's what we can call those who would rain fire and death upon thousands.
I always hear the same rhetoric from your side about how you never 'justify the attacks', and yet.. Who the fuck are you siding with here if you don't outright condemn them, and why are we debating the fact that you DO support the attacks most wholeheartedly?!
And uh, last time I checked, the WTC had nothing to do with your assumed 'command and control' theory. It was simply a place of business with civilians in it. A lot of them. A lot to kill all at once - THAT was the aim. It wasn't the purpose of the target (commerce) as much as it was the amount of total death that could gotten from it.
Please stop trying to explain terrorist actions. I don't care - and neither does anyone else at the other end of your barrel.
"...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
I guess the swastika blackmail stunt against MS did not work so now the zionists will carry forth their blackmail plan by attemtpting to undermine MS profits. Any company that does not pay the zionist extortionists faces similar consequences.
These guys make the fabled "mafia" look like pikers.
GPL Solution To Palestinian Terrorist Attacks: Open Fire.
ovens burn in jews!!!
The best education consists in immunizing people against systematic attempts at education. - Paul Feyerabend
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I read that and sputtered my drink. :-)
Stupid moderator must have eaten an all-cheese supper last night. Funny != Troll...
as far as I know there is no such thing as a Palestinian. The Arabs that lost their land in the 67 war were egyptian
Israel has an open government policy to buy one copy of software and use it for everything. in fact i don't think that Israel has ever bought a MS copy they just pirate whatever they want. but i could be wrong. so my question is, if they dont even pay for MS products now, why are they going to opensource in the first place.
now its time for my anti Israel rant.
" the war on terrorism needs to be fought in Israel, we need to give the country back to its rightfull owners ( the Palestinians ) and then the world will know peace" why the hell are we supporting that fucking country anyways, we give them shitloads of money and military support and they consider it a national sport to rip off and fuck Americans. its time we pull out of Israel and stop giving them money or military support, let them handle their own problems. the middle east isn't pissed at Israel because of their religion, the cam be fucking boganists for all i care, the middle east hates Israel because of their policies and actions in the middle east. I'm not anti Jew or anything like that but Ive done business with Israelis and my impression is if your not Israeli than its their god given right to fuck you over.
Secret sneak bombing of MSFT's campus at Redmond like Osirak?
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Palestine isn't a state occupied by anyone - it's a name of a former province of Roman Empire. There was never a state of Palestine. There's no brutal occupation either. What happens here is unprecedented war of terror against civilian population of Israel and you and those like you are denying the right of Israel to defend itself (by calling it "brutal occupation"). And that *is* racism.
Perhaps they are multi platform install CDs?
I havn't willingly used Windows EVER, (old Amiga freak--Yeah, one of those people) but I find it hard to imagine giving away binary OO CDs for LINUX, as you would think they actually want the max number folks to USE this.
Most folks have Windows. Does OO for Win NOT support Hebrew?? Then it would make sense...
I don't know if they are still doing it, but at one time, most of the pirate CD plants were owned and operated by the People's Liberation Army. The PLA owned and operated a wide variety of businesses. They were put under pressure by the central government to divest themselves of some of these businesses.
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The gap between rich Jews and poor Jews, or the gap between the Jews and the Palestinians whose land they stole when they 'thnically cleansed'the place?
Take an OpenOffice.org Writer file (SXW). Rename the file to have the extension SXC. (For OOo Calc -- the spreadsheet.)
Now open it.
It opens as a Writer document just fine.
All OOo documents use the same XML structure. Based on some information in the META-INF directory, OOo is able to deduce that the top level of the document should open in Writer.
What do I mean by all this META-INF nonsense? Try this experiment: take any OOo document and rename it's extension (from SXC, SXW, etc.) to ZIP. Now unzip it. You get a Content.xml file, a META-INF folder, and other goodies if your document contained embedded pictures, etc.
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
Jews are cheap snipdick bastards.
Not that this is particularly productive to debate, but I hope Israel is pushed into the sea by the Arab nations surrounding it. ...and fire the ovens for those who dare remain behind.
The most telling thing about Troed the nazi was when he looked at this message item, which by that time contained giant swastikas and "Hitler should have finished the job" quotes and said: "Nothing anti-jewish here".
You know nothing of American history. Off the top of my head
You mean take the top off and insert a brain?
None of those were democracies. A few of them had been annexed by the USSR. Nicaragua in particular had basically outlawed non-Sandinista opposition.
That said it is much more common for us to intervene to prevent a dictatorship from being overthrown
Only when the dictatorship is being threatened with annexation by outside imperialists. It is part of basic anti-imperialism: protect the sovereignty of nations, even if we do not like their governments. (El Salvador is an example of this. The country was being invaded by the Soviet FMLN army. When the USSR fell, the invasion ended quickly.)
I see you know nothing of American history, or that of any other country.
Correct. The Israeli government is typically some sort of "social democratic" version of Socialist. It is never right-wing, and never fascist.
What the hell? Did you go to school in Arkansas? The USSR supplied the North vietnamese, but "invaded"? i think not
Ho Chi Minh basically sold his country (North Vietnam) to the USSR. The USSR did not invade it as such. The invasion that happened was when North Vietnam (by this time a full Soviet territory) invaded South Vietnam.
The war was initially, and primarily a nationalistic struggle
It was initially, but by late 1950s Ho had sold the country to the USSR. It became a war of the Soviets against the Vietnamese. Learn some damn history!
(The Wikipedia article is in error in many ways, one of them is having the war start much later than it actually did)
simple crap that should have been mastered before their 1.0 release. Jesus, I still have problems saving files in windows-compatible formats. For example, if the file is like one page long and has more than one bullet list then the file won't save properly...oh, it'll save, but when you re-open it, forget about having it look like it did when you saved it. Freakin bullets changed to numbers, bullets moved around, deleted, added to things that shouldn't have bullets. WTF.
01100111 01100101 01110100 00100000 01101111 01110101 01110100 00100000 01101101 01101111 01110010 01100101 00101110
giving people free cds is like giving them free gasoline.
Try throwing a flaming CD onto an Israeli patrol.
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Men with no respect for life must never be allowed to control the ultimate instruments of death.
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Zionist have one of two choices, give the Palestinians their rights or live in terrorism the rest of your life
They tried this: leaving the Palestinian territory totally alone. The Palestinians there had "their rights". This failed: the Palestinians launched their many aggressive attacks into Israel. These forced Israel to occupy the West Bank and Gaza.
Israel will likely leave (as is reasonable) once the terrorism that invited them there ceases.
Then they should build the wall on their land or the no man lands zone not inside the occupied land taking annexing their land.
The Palestinian government, by engaging in these suicide bombings, has forced Israel to build this wall in the first place. Why should Israel waste its own land for a buffer zone? Palestine should pay for its aggression; let it have the buffer zone.
The wall is mobile. If the Palestinians cease their aggression, it would move west and probably come down.
Look at how Sharon got elected. Her went to the Western Wall with a shit load of israeli soldiers, probably the best way to agravate a situation that might have been on a path to peace
He provoked nothing. The soldiers did not threaten or try and shoot anyone. They were just bodyguards. They did nothing but walk across a place there they are allowed to.
The fact that many Palestinians erupted into a bloodthirsty orgy of violence just because a Jewish person walked by a Muslim holy place shows a problem with the Muslims involved, not the Jews.
And the Iraq war was about WMD too
No, it was primarily about making Iraq a free place. The WMD thing was to try and force France to side with good despite themselves (by insisting that they follow the agreements they claimed to support). Aside from that, it was a good move in a war against terrorism: Saddam, as a terrorist leader, was trying to build WMD's as fast as he could.
The WMD's will be found. There was overwhelming proof they existed before the U.S. liberation: just as there was proof Saddam Hussein existed (and he was found just recently).
Unless Bill Gates has a really, really big mattress that it's all stuffed under. :)
/. article about the software they designed to manage their investments. I'm too lazy to look it up, but I do know that all that money is being re-invested (aside from the 5% that goes straight into Bill's Evil Moon Base).
Actually, I remember a
A similar thing happens when regular people put money into a bank. The bank doesn't put the money into a small box with your name on it. It lends it out to others as loans, and a portion of the profit is used to pay you interest. So the bank never has enough money on hand to cover a massive withdrawl, which is where FDIC insurance comes in.
You want the truthiness? You can't handle the truthiness!
Whether or not the wall comes down, is moved, or stays in place is up to the Palestinians. They caused its construction with their unjust war of aggression. It has worked in the past: Egypt backed off from "we will exterminate you" and decided to respect the rights of the Israelis to live. It got all its land back. (Egypt only lost its land when its military tried to make true on the "We will exterminate you" promise)
Syria, on the other hand, still proclaims a goal of invasion and extermination of Israelis. It's no wonder that they do not have the Golan back.
The Palestinian government still proclaims this, through its military branches (Hamas, etc.). All they have to is call off the damn war and the occupation ends. It is pretty idiotic for a people to turn land over to a government that is still devoted to its extermination.
To a large extent Israel is all occupied territory. There were always palestinians that lived there and then the jews show up and say "hey UN, could you make this land ours?"
The Palestinian Arabs basically asked for this partition. They had a history many hundreds of years long of mistreating the indiginous population (the Jews) in the area. Through this, the Arabs said "We can't run the place in any but a barbaric fashion. Only partition will work."
The Taliban, horrible people that they were/are, offered to give him to us. We decided we'd rather kill people. Doesn't sound like restraint to me.
Besides being a sort of neo-nazi (based on your anti-Jewish statments) you are getting facts wrong. Here is what happened: when Osama was found out as the cause of 9/11. the US asked the Taliban to turn him over. The Taliban refused. They were given a few weeks to change their mind (the U.S. did not want war). The Taliban still refused.
The U.S. invaded, and saved a lot of lives in the process. The few thousand killed during the invasion because the Taliban used them for human shields is MUCH more than made up for by the tens of thousands that the Taliban would have starved and executed had they stayed in power.
The supposed reason we invaded Afghanistan was because Bin Laden was there
There is no other reason.
The attack on the WTC & the Pentagon was exactly what the US Gov't would have done given the same resources
No, it would not have done this. Very few governments would have done this entirely unjustified act.
Much criticism of Israel is based on anti-semitic lies: the "apartheid wall" claims, calling the Israeli government "Fascist", sying Israel is the only aggressor, calling for its people to be wiped out.
In fact, most of the criticism in the message thread crosses the line from reasoned criticism into these bald-faced lies which are based on nothing more than deep-rooted hatred.
Sharon isn't just "some person", he is hated by palestinians. Viewed on almost the same level as jews think of hitler. Check out his history in the IDF. It wasn't that a Jew or an israeli went, it was that Sharon went.
As for evacuating outposts. Huh? They are still being built.
A blog about stuff.
On the point of "leeches who drained the lifeflood of XXX society", that view is common and applied to many different XXX societies and peoples. Why? Because there are many zero-sum games in which parasitic leeching is a good strategy. It is what you do with that fact that is important. Invoking Nazism (which decided that genocide was the proper solution to this observation) is one of the oldest tricks in the book, but if you look at the situation closely, there is very little similarity between the two situations. Israel is willing and ready to make peace, but Palestinian authority demonstrates a complete failure and unwillingness to reign in terrorism and yield control of its military forces to this end, and furthermore rejected (autonomously without consent of council or public) gracious offers for peace including Camp David II (July 2000).
Stop posting anonymously if you have something to say.
I always thought that the name OpenOffice was a bit too generic, but now when I saw your comment above, it actually adds some Authority to the application.
Someone who does not know what it is, will not just dismiss it as it sounds like "Hej this is legitimate and I better find out what it is so as not to look stupid" kind of thing.
Second. Once the penetration of OOo is above 10%-15% it will change the dynamics of document interchange. It's like when people argues that Mozilla or alternative browsers only need 15%+- share to prevent wes sites being designed for IE only.
Help fight continental drift.
As for the Neo-Nazi comment. FUCK YOUDisliking the actions of Israel and hating jews is completely different
But disliking reasonable actions of Israel just because Israel is Jewish, and making up "actions" which have never occured... it is the same as disliking Jews. You have done both.
Nice ad hominem attack though
It wasn't. It was an accurate description based on your own neo-nazi words.
Should I accuse you of being racist against Arabs and South-east Asians now.
Go ahead. You know you will be wrong. I have done nothing like you have (i.e. I hate Japan but I do not hate its people).
Learn some tolerance. Don't believe the lies about Israel.
Given that the U.S. have never been invaded: retaliate for what??
The U.S. has been invaded at least twice. 9-11 and Pearl Harbor are the most famous actions.
Aggression outside takes place as well: look at Saddam's violation of the cease fire by attacking peacekeepers in the no-fly zones.
With a vast military arsenal to back them up, and little to no compunctions about using it.The U.S. acts internationally with all the aggressive zeal
False. The US has engaged in no aggression since before WW2. Before WW2, it did.
For not conforming to U.S. ideas of how the entire world should do their bidding?
That has never happened. You are making stuff up and you know it.
Never mind history,
That is your message. Next time, back things up with facts. Someone like you who has forgotten 9-11 and Pearl Harbor needs a lot of studying. You know so little.
There are a couple of reasons:
They hate us because they hate freedom, democracy, and people who have different religions from them.
They hate us because government-controlled media and education systems have left them ignorant of actual affairs.
The hatred has no justification: it is based on mean-spiritedness and ignorance.
I'm glad someone is willing to use this "arsenal" whenever necessary. Even if Saddam, Hitler, and those like you who defend them think it is a bad idea.
go and buy MS Office for $400 or whatever then you will have to draw up a new list of complaints. it aint perfect either. be grateful for what others have done and given to you for free.
Tell 'em how it is! OpenOffice is free, StarOffice is supported, get one, put it in.... and.... shut up!
"i'm a neonazi"
At last you have stopped denying it.
Israel does shitty things to palestinians,
More lies. But hey, you are a neo-nazi. So be it.
All I'm saying is, if I cannot afford a car, and someone gives me gasoline -- damn if I'm not going to make me some Molotovs! And "say hello" to every luxury car that rolls by...
This appears to be due to a longstanding bug, bug 104550.
Do you recall the Exodus? May be you should ask your parents and grand parents. Flocks of Jews via ship after ship went to Palestine before 1948.
The Arabs didn't start the 67 war, Isreal did. The Arabs transted the US when promised that there will be no war. Isreal took the apportunity to strike. The Arabs realized what Isreal's true intentions are and decided not to negoctiate until Isreal withdrew from occupied Arab land. The UN passed resolution 242 which no nation enforced. The Arabs have been cheated time and time again. The bottom line is, "what is taken by the sord will not be returned but the sord". Keep that in mind. The west keeps wondering why there is more and more terrorism. Well the Palestinian people has taken matters into their own hands. let us see how long Isreal and the west is going to keep up with that. Stay blind and keep lying and we will see how long Isreal is going to keep up with that.
If they have left, why are the settlements still there since 1967? Your lies are sickening. You can ly to the un-informed west all you want, but Isreal and the Palestinians know better. Keep lying and we shall see where this is going to lead you. The Arabs are not native Indians.
... but not support, distribution, manuals, etc. So the industry will still be there (don;t worry about programmers, most of them earn their money doing in-house development, not commercial software).
And in any case, the software industry is concentrated in big commercial conglomerates that will continue requiring software anyway, but hopefully they will wisen up and choose software that puts them back in control of their infrastrucutre.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
To be able to at least partially save in a obfuscated format.
Use the native format and you'll be fine, if you need to export do it using something simple (plain text) and reformat in the other processor.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
I have people at work use PDF, ISO-8859-1, or XHTML and justified it on purely technical grounds, however, I'd like to add a paragraph or two from the law book.
In the near future, there will be the Oasis file format, which will make archival work much easier.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
The doomsday scenario about anyone suffering when Microsoft goes under strikes me as bullshit. I'm sure even the current U.S. government could find a replacement export. Actually, they'd have to. Very little production goes on in the U.S. anymore, not even jeans, and the trade deficit + the budget deficit + deflation are about to pop a bubble.
As mentioned before, each day we read about more countries, agencies, institutions and businesses increasing productivity and cutting TCO by going F/OSS. Someone is going to be selling to these customers. If the U.S. keeps wasting it resources propping up the MS dinosaur, it will let everyone else get too far a lead.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
Again, this not only a warning about the dangers of monopoly lock-in but also a visible example of where OSS methods excel. It's not only cheaper to develop OSS, but fewer hoops to hop through. If I can gather the resources, I or anyone can make a translation of OpenOffice.org or AbiWord or Mozilla or so on in the language of my choice be it Navajo, Ojibwe, Kildin Sami, or what ever.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
It is called Pearl Harbor. There is no "u" anywhere in it. Hawaii was, at the time, United States territory.
For the sake of focus, we can limit ourselves to even just post-cold-war cases,
Which means we cannot ignore 9-11, and the ongoing infiltration and presence of Al Quada soldiers in the United States.
The Arabs didn't start the 67 war, Isreal did.
No, the Arabs did.
. The Arabs realized what Isreal's true intentions are and decided not to negoctiate until Isreal withdrew from occupied Arab land
Yes. Israel's true intentions are to live free and resist aggression against it. The Arabs falsely consider any part of Israel to be "occupied land", and of course took the position that they would not negotiate until Israel was wiped out.
The Arabs have been cheated time and time again.
They never have. Time and again, they have been made generous offers, which they have refused.
The most recent was the Roadmap for Peace. Israel said it would stop military action, and it did. The Palestinian government said it would stop action, but it decided at the same time to have branches of its military attack civilian targets in Israel.
Well the Palestinian people has taken matters into their own hands
And that is the problem. They keep fighting an aggressive war of extermination against a neighbor that they hate solely for ethnic/religious reasons. As a result, Israel has been forced to occupy and retaliate. It has not worked out well for the Palestinians.
I would call those attacks, not an invasion. I would say that the enemy needs to have their boots on your territory to be invaded
Then 9-11 surely counts: the feet of the pilots tramped all over U.S. territory before they took the planes up.
When it comes to lobbying power Microsoft is nothing compared with the Zionists.
Ah, the old "jews control congress" myth. You guys keep invoking the Godwin rule by paraphrasing Hitler with the same old antisemitic lies.
I'm going to write my Congressman right now to increase the money going to Israel. If it makes nazis angry, it has to be a good thing.
domino theories, neo-colonialism, and U.S. special economic interests.
The domino theory is not being brought up here. There is no domino theory for aggressive Islam: Iran failed to go much beyond its borders.
The "domino theory" was an accurate description of what Soviet imperialists did during the Cold War. During the 1970s, the USSR took over South Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia. They tried for Thailand, but it did not fall. Similarly, during the 1980s, the USSR took Nicaragua, and then invaded Costa Rica, Honduras, and El Salvador. They failed in these countries (but mostly because the USSR itself fell).
As for neo-colonialism, the efforts by the U.S. and its numerous allies are anti-colonialist (anti-imperialist). Saddam under Iraq was an imperialist/colonialist power (having designs on conquest of Kuwait, Israel, and other places). It is mainly this which got them in trouble. Like his heroes Hitler and Stalin, Saddam had vast liebenschraum dreams.
Some time in 2004, Iraq will be under a government of the country's own choosing (albeit a non-imperialist one). This is thanks to the U.S. The U.S. occupation of Iraq will likely be of about a year in length: far shorter than the temporary occupation of Japan after WW2.
Finally, U.S. special economic interests. The U.S. tends to spend more helping these countries than it ever gets back, so that is not a question.
Scary secret foreign goverment agency putting software on my computer. Damn how dare they. How can I ever check out what it does? Don't worry. I broke into their computers and liberated the source from their cluthces!
So the US goverment is already distributing OS software. If you look into SELinux you will find it an intrestting idea and a very usefull addition for machines not 100% under your control.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
your government is exploiting the climate of fear 09/11 has generated in the U.S. to further a reprehensible foreign policy that has been in place since cold war times
It take it that you do not live here. There is no climate of fear. There is nothing reprehensible about a foreign policy that is actually taking effective measures to deal with the root cause of global problems.
and the fact that your government is fabricating links to 09/11 to justify [libertating Iraq).
There was never fabricated evidence. The US government laid out the facts from the beginning concerning Iraq.
Over and out, at least until you're sober again
If anything, he is drunk on truth. You keep repeating the same old pro-terrorist, pro-Saddam lies.
Why do you keep repeating the same old antisemitic lies? None of your claims are true, except when you name years (and even then you get events wrong)
Isreal did not exist and has been the agressor since its creation in 1948
The indiginous people have been in the area for 3,000+ years. The modern nation of Israel did not exist until 1948, true, but it has never been the aggressor.
The Arabs never intended to destroy Isreal, they welcomed the jews to live among them when they flocked in droves from Nasi Germany.
Wrong on both counts. Extermination of the Israelis has been an explicit part of the foreign policy of many Arab governments, and also the PLO. The Arabs did not welcome Jews. They instead engaged in pogrom and massacres against new immigrants and old existing Jewish communities both.
Jews lived among the Arbas for long time and they have strived and had their best freedom when every other nation kicked them out. It is mandated in the religion
No, they did not. The Muslim governments had laws to punish people for being Jews.
The Moslem religion is about a one third jewish, another third Christian, and the rest is Islam which completea all of them. "Thou shall not kill your neighbor", remember that?
Tell that to Hamas (a Muslim religious group0, which has "kill all the Jews" as part of its charter.
The Roadmap for Peace is a peice of crap.
True, somewhat: it failed to get the aggressors (Palestinian government) to stop its aggression.
Isreal's attitude hasn't changed and they falsely keep blaming the palestinians for aggresion while itself is waging a war of extermination against them
False and false. Israel has not engaged in even one single act of aggression against Palestinians, and there is no plan or evidence of extermination plans (except those hatched by branches of the Palestinian government against Jews)
If the rights of the Palestinina are not addressed to their satisfaction
The only "right" they are being denied is the right to live in a country where all the Jews have been killed off.
You are right, 50 years of negotiation have done nothing for the Palestinians and they for sure know it now.
The problem is not negotiations. The problem is that the Palestinian government has engaged in near-constant unprovoked aggression, which has done them no good. If they gave up their totally unjust war, things would improve. Look at how Egypt got all of its land back when it backed off from its "exterminate the Jews" policy.
You get so many facts wrong. Is it total ignorance, or is it a Hitlerian hatred of Jewish people that drives you to lie again and again?
Some of the stunts the U.S. have pulled in South America (Panama, Grenada, etc.) are not far from that level of arrogance and lunacy.
For one thing, NEITHER of those countries are in South America. Did you know that? Panama is a North American country. Grenada is not on a continent.
For another, these actions were highly moral and highly justified. In Grenada. the U.S. rescued the place from Soviet occupiers. Grenada has been an independent country ever since. In Panama, the U.S. helped the elected government against a thug who refused to get off his throne.
What is bad about both of these? Nothing. What is great about both? Everything.
Consider hundreds of prisoners held for years at Guantanamo without being charged...Scares me as much as any raving ayatollah - more so, in that it's *our* governments doing this.
Do you even think about what you are saying? The Gitmo prisoners are there because they were caught red-handed fighting in a terrorist army. What is wrong with this? Nothing, of course. Your ignorance of foreign policy and history is scarier than anything
"He may be referring to hidden costs like having to learn the quirks of the way it works, i.e., the differences between it and MS Office."
In my experience it is MS Office that has the truely bizzaro "quirks". Such as when you try to change the style of a paragraph and the entire document is hosed. Everyone I've talked to about such problems agrees that Office is the king of unintended behavior.
Open Office is a far better behaving program.
Go to this site. Read and comprehend if you are able. I doubt it and I am not holding my breath.
http://www.pmwatch.org/pmw/snakebite/
There's no facts at pmwatch.org.
It is run by a genocidal hate group. Try for something unbiased.
You are a moron
That is a nice way to cap off your long list of antisemitic lies. Next thing, you will be attacking me for being Jewish.
You are the type who would look at an incident where a Palestinian military agent opens fire on a group of Israeli civilians, killing a 6, while hiding behind Palestinian civilians. The Israelis shoot back, and one Palestinian civilian is killed along with the terrorist.
Then you will go and cry about Israel's unprovoked murder of 2 Palestinian civilians. (You won't mention the dead Israelis; the only good Jew is a dead Jew).
It is quite interesting that the ethnic cleansing of Jewish people from the Palestinian "Territories" is one of the top demands in order for there to be "peace". This is in fact a pretty much mainstream desire by the Palestinians. This is why they want to get rid of Arutz 7.
While it does not apply to Arutz 7, a significant proportion of the Jews/Israelis in the "territories" are native born: the territories is their actual homeland. Yet, these people would be expelled in order to create the ethnically-pure Palestinian fatherland.
Funny, when the Serbs did this in Bosnia, it was considered to be bad, for some reason. I wonder what the difference between Israelis and Bosnians is....
You will also notice that the desire to eliminate the Arab population from Israel is a fringe view among Israelis.
If the Palestinian polity is so immature and evil-minded to demand a human rights catastrophe (ethnic cleansing) in order for there to be peace, perhaps they cannot be trusted to run a State. By all indications, such a Palestinian State would be an intolerant hellhole similar to the Bosnian-free "Republka Srpska" that Serbia carved out within Bosnia during the 1990s. They need to "Grow up", prove tolerance, and lay off the attacks before letting them have a State should even be considered.
Just a reminder from your friendly neighborhood armchair political scientist: "Both sides are wrong, both sides have blood on their hands, everyone's about equally guilty," is sometimes just as much a cop-out as "they did it, it's all them, we're a bunch of boy scouts, yer honor."
Personally, I believe that this particular case of middle-eastern mutual slaughter is a case of one party which is massively in the wrong, and one party which is only a little bit in the wrong. I'm not saying which is which; that's not really relevant to what I'm saying, which is:
It is better to look at the facts and opinions and dig out the truth, or your version of it, than to go by an interpretation because it's "fair" or "in the middle." Sometimes, the factual situation isn't "fair" or symmetrical, which means a "fair" description is a filthy lie. The SCO situation, and the damn weasel analysts who take a weighted average of the SCO press releases and groklaw to get the truth, are a good example of this.
(I haven't even read the grandparent; please don't assume I'm defending it against the parent and decide my beliefs accordingly.)
You mean to say that Country A (which sometimes inadvertantly kills civilians during retaliations for unprovoked attacks from Country B) might not be quite as bad as Country B (which routinely targets civilians for execution as part of a plan of invasion and extermination) ?
Gee. I thought they were all the same.
You have selective imagination.
How about Land and houses previously owned by Palestinians, confiscated and given to jews?
How about that? Well, it is wrong. Most of the land and houses were purchased, or given away when the Palestinians ran away rather than live in a place where Jewish people had full rights.
Why do you think Israelis are dispised? Hint: Not because they are jews
Yes, it is exactly because they are Jews. Jordan has visited much worse atrocities on Palestinians. Syria denies citizenship to Syrians of Palestinian descent. Israel looks mild in comparison: yet Israel gets the hatred. A hint: they are Jews, not Arabs.
The Jews in the region were despised long before there was Israel or "zionism", for the fact that they refused to submit to the Muslim god forced on them by the Arab invaders.
The occupation is NOT about security.
It is all about security. The Palestinians forced the occupation to happen by attacking Israelis from these lands. Every time Israel starts to pull out, the Palestinians invite re-occupation by attacking again.
Israel being assaulted eh? Nice selective memory.
No, just accurate recollection of history. Every single incident was started by the Arab aggressors. Is Israel perfect? No. Does it sometimes go overboard in retaliating? Certainly. That does not change the fact that they never initiate these things.
Late 1900's the zionnists decide that their country will be in Palestine, never mind that no one asked the Palestinians already living there.
They did, in fact: these "Zionists" bought their land and homes from those living there.
Also, a careful read of history by a sane person will show that in the Israel/Palestine conflict, the victims are the Palestinians
Only a reading by a neo-nazis or other antisemite will show this. The facts show constant "we will exterminate them" aggression against the Israelis.
no mention of zionnists refusing the Germans offers that would have effectively saved countless jews.
I figured you would come up with "trust the German Nazis". Nazis are to be trusted and Jews are to be despised, right? Your "selective imagination" is also forgetting the fact that the Palestinian leaders of the WW2 era, including Arafat's mentor, were allied with Nazi Germany. They shared a certain goal, that you clearly share.
Seems to contradict the notion that Israel wants peace.
Nothing contradicts this, as Israel's actions have always been peaceful. Who cares what Ben Gurion says. Look at the actual events. The Israelis live. Get used to it. Get over it. Your desire to exterminate them will never come to pass.
http://www.palestinefacts.org/is NOT a good source of accurate information.
Nor are any of the sites you listed. I see you are still using "zionist" as a sort of code-word of pejorative hate against Jews.
Finkelnazi is well known. His page is filled with antisemitic essays. Only, when a Jew hates other Jews, it is typically called being a "self-hating Jew"
You really need to let go of your hatred of Jewish people. It really did the Third Reich no good (look at Germany in 1946), and it is doing "Palestine" no good, either. You really know nothing if you rely on neo-nazis for facts.
As for Occupation 101, I wonder if Stephen Hawking likes his quotes being used by pro-genocide groups. I'm sure Al Jazeera will show it many many times.
The jews indeed lived there, and by all account I've read lived mostly peacefully with the muslims and christians
These are the accounts written by the Muslim extremists. The facts were that ever since the Arab invasion, and until 1948, the indiginous Jews were treated as 2nd class citizens. They were "treated peacefully" only if they "Stayed in their place". The situation was like that of blacks in the south during 1900-1960. The Muslim empires even had laws on the books which punished people specifically for being Jewish (including having to pay a special tax Muslims did not pay).
This was one reason the creation of a state of Israel, which ensured equal rights for all regardless of religion, was needed. The Arabs/Muslims had their way since their invasion, and their rule never worked.
Did you know that until 1948, Jewish people were barred from going to Jewish holy sites? Since then, the government of Israel has protected the rights of all, including Muslims, go have access to their holy sites.
The original plan for Israel had the place being very small. It consisted entirely of land in which Jews were a majority because their ancestors lived there, or immigrants had purchased land. The intolerant Arabs decided they would rather exterminate the people than see such a place as a neighbor. The resulting expansion of Israel has been a reaction to the need for buffer areas after these attacks.
If the Arabs had decided for peace, there would be a very small Israel. Instead, they decided on extermination and holding on to the idea of forcing Arab imperialism on traditionally non-Arab lands.
Given that Israel was built on the ruins of Palestinians villages and cities, it's understandable that the Arab world has some problems with accepting Israel's existence.
They had major problems with the Jews before Israel was built. Also, there was no "Palestinina" nationality; that is only a recent fabrication.
But if Israelis finally admitted the wrong doing, I think this could be negotiated and resolved in a NY minute.
There is no wrongdoing to admit. Of course, to the Arab aggressors, the Jews merely trying to live is "wrongdoing".
Of course the israeli arabs don't have that. Wasn't there an arab knesset member that got in hot water for questioning the jewishness of the state of Israel? That's not allowed by the Basic Law of the Knesset.
Yes. You are watering down the hate speech by this Knesset member. Israel is one of those countries that is hypersensitive about racist "wipe them out" hate speech. Of course they are cautious when Nazis speak in their very midst about wiping them out. The speaker you were referring to was a genocidal hatemonger who wanted an Israel with 0% Jewishness.
There is no problem with "jewishness" in Israel, in reality. Non-Jews such as Muslims are allowed to worship freely. In fact, Muslims have more religious freedom in Israel than they do in just about any mostly-Muslim country except for Turkey.
There can be no solution to the problems unless the Palestinian government apologizes for the decades of aggression and atrocities, and agrees never to do anymore.
please stop posting anonymously. that was a well written and accurate response.
People like you like to equate zionist with jew in the hope that people will have compassion for the zionnists
Most "anti-Zionists" are really anti-Jew. In fact, almost all of the Palestinian government and military organizations speak of their hatred for Jews in general when they attack Israel. People hate "zionists" BECAUSE they hate Jews.
thanks to people like you, instead turn out to hate the jews because of what the zionists are doing
There is absolutely no reason to hate Jews or "zionists". This hatred is the bigot's own fault.
Not all jews are zionists
Yes, there are some self-hating Jews who wish for the destuction of the Jewish people. However, these are a minority.
Just to help you a bit break your false understanding that zionist==jew
It's not false. The hatred for both is the same. There are a few exceptions among Jews (just as there were some Jews during WW2 who supported the Nazis, oddly enough). However, these are fringe kooks. Much different is the hatred for Israel in general, which is a hatred based on the fact that the Israel people stand for equal rights for Jews.
He's probably out painting swatikas on synagogues. After all, Jews are nothing but stinking brutal "Zionists", and they deserve the worst they get.