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Best Way To Manage Growing Console Clutter?

An anonymous reader writes "Being the owner of several actively-used consoles, I have found myself in a perpetual state of tangled cords and controller 'land mines' when it comes to my living room. With each console supporting four controllers, and a couple of games having their own unique peripherals, this is becoming more and more of a problem. It's not so much that there isn't a place for all of this. as it is that there isn't a place that's visually pleasing, big enough to survive the growing collection, easy to use, and most importantly, cheap. I find myself having to untangle cords or digging through a box/drawer. no matter what solution I try. What have Slashdot readers resorted to when it comes to keeping all of this in check?"

169 comments

  1. Wireless Controllers? by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Well, I've resorted to just accepting a cluttered mess of wires that trips people and animals up. I think you've found that solution as well so we're pretty much on the same page.

    You could go out and buy yourself wireless controllers. Other than those wires, the power and A/V plugs should be able to be routed through the back of any reasonable entertainment center furniture.

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    1. Re:Wireless Controllers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, Mr. Poopstain aren't you full of the obvious statements today. Yup, there's another jackass conservative taking up space with mindless blathering.

    2. Re:Wireless Controllers? by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 1

      Wireless is OK but it only goes so far. What you need is to put each console in its own room, with its own TV.

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    3. Re:Wireless Controllers? by Masem · · Score: 1

      I've found that wireless controllers, in the extra time for signal delivery and conversion, can actually affect gameplay on some titles (example would be the PS2 title Amplitude -- I can perfectly play it with a wired controller, but the timing is screwed up with a wireless one). Plus they suck batteries badly. It could be due to the quality of the controller, but I've tried a couple and run into similar problems.

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    4. Re:Wireless Controllers? by Mirkon · · Score: 0, Troll

      I'm not sure what PS2 third parties have to offer in terms of wireless control, but Nintendo's first-party Gamecube Wavebird is an excellent product - no visible lag, and amazing battery life (I've had it for months, maybe a year, and only replaced the batteries once).

      Of course, there are times when it cuts out for a brief moment due to what I can only assume is interference from the other miscellaneous wireless signals blasting through my home, but nothing's perfect.

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    5. Re:Wireless Controllers? by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 0, Troll

      Well beyond wireless controllers or putting the controllers away after a gaming session is over, what other solutions can you offer?

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  2. If you've a Gamecube... by thdexter · · Score: 1

    Wavebird controllers are a godsend.

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    1. Re:If you've a Gamecube... by HeaththeGreat · · Score: 1

      Exactly. After I bought my first wavebird, I sold off my other wired controllers and bought wavebirds for their place. I think the controller plays better, and I really don't care about the lack of vibrating capability.

      As controllers go, I found that it was best to built custom holders for each type of controller out of coat hangers and the secure them to the shelves that I keep all of my consoles on. I originally started going this with my n64 controllers about 6 years ago, and it works pretty well with my dreamcast controllers as well. I don't have a ps2 or xbox, but I'm sure you could conjure up something.

      -Heath

  3. wireless? by cheezus · · Score: 1

    don't ps2 and xbox have wavebird equivilants by now?

    not exactly cheap, I guess, but the only way to get rid of the cord problem is to get rid of the cords

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    1. Re:wireless? by BigBir3d · · Score: 2, Interesting

      not exactly cheap, I guess, but the only way to get rid of the cord problem is to get rid of the cords

      Or to have a standardized controller port (USB?) that you could plug in any controller of your choosing for any system? I would love to be able to use a PS2 controller for everything...

    2. Re:wireless? by Yogger · · Score: 3, Informative

      I would love to be able to use a PS2 controller for everything...

      You might want to try something like this then: http://www.hartsunlimited.com/supxbcon.html There are a couple of adapters available so you can use ps2 controllers on gamecube and xbox, but I haven't seen any that go the other way.

    3. Re:wireless? by EvlG · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This would never happen for consoles.

      The whole idea of a console is to have a standard, fixed platform. This includes controller layout. The only way this is achieved is having every system come with the same controller.

      Think back to playing PC games with gamepads or joysticks. You never know which button is assigned to do what by default. Instead you have to try and correlate the game's controls with the gamepads. It's a clumsy mess. With a standardized controller, you always know that A is accept/fire/shoot/punch/etc, B is go back/kick/drop bomb/etc. The moment you deviate from this, games get difficult to just "pick up and play" because there is no convention that makes sense.

    4. Re:wireless? by Deflagro · · Score: 2, Informative

      Lik sang apparently has a box that will allow you to use any kind of controller on the xbox. Magic Box It's not for everything, but it is interesting.

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    5. Re:wireless? by JediSB · · Score: 2

      Gamestop sells something similar. I've seen it in their brick and mortar stores as well.

    6. Re:wireless? by lvdrproject · · Score: 1
      Sigh. If i could use the GameCube controller on all of my systems, i would. But it doesn't have enough buttons to use on the PS2, as far as i know.

      PSA: The GameCube controller owns us all. Best controller ever. It's really the only thing the GC has going for it at the moment. :/

    7. Re:wireless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NO! The gamecube controller is rather smallish and not large and manly like the x-box controller.

      Who cares how comfortable it is when people corollate penis size with controller size.

  4. Easy. by Oen_Seneg · · Score: 4, Funny

    Give me your consoles. You can't have console clutter without consoles.

    1. Re:Easy. by VRisaMetaphor · · Score: 1

      You laugh, but this is actually a good solution. After living through the tangle of multiple prior generation consoles, I made a conscious decision this time to choose one and stick with it. So I did my research, chose one, and never looked back. Takes a lot of self control, but it works. Avoiding the mess is a higher priority for me.

  5. I have one thing to say... by Battlegeek · · Score: 2, Informative

    wireless controllers. Has helped quite a bit. No longer does my dog get tangled in the cords that run from tv to coffee table, or controller cables that run from table to couch. Now the consoles can sit safely on a bookshelf on the other side of the room, with the cables all nicely hidden. My new problem is keeping up with the controllers now, its like keeping up with another remote.

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    1. Re:I have one thing to say... by E_elven · · Score: 1, Funny

      Wireless controllers? Goddamn Slashdot crowd. Listen, why don't you JUST PUT YOUR DAMN TOYS AWAY when you're done with them instead of leaving them on the floor? Geez.

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    2. Re:I have one thing to say... by th3space · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thanks, mom. ;)

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  6. How I deal with Console Clutter by YomikoReadman · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have 3 consoles and a DVD player running on 1 TV. For all the AV cabling, I have a junction box which deals with that quite nicely. They run around $20 at a Best Buy or some other gaming store. For Controllers, I usually have them all stored unless they are actually in use, with the exception of my GCN. I have Wavebirds for that. I'd like to go the wireless route with controllers for the other 2 systems, but Sony and MS have yet to put out a decent wireless controller. Currently they are all IR based, which tends to be exceptionally laggy, short on range, and the controllers themselves lose the feel of the original controller. When they get a Wavebird equivilent, I'll probably grab those to deal with the rest. Oh, and for power cables, Belkin sells a set of velcro ties for cable management for $5 or so. A PC supply shop should carry those.

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    1. Re:How I deal with Console Clutter by kaisyain · · Score: 2, Informative

      Currently they are all IR based, which tends to be exceptionally laggy, short on range, and the controllers themselves lose the feel of the original controller.

      Huh? I don't know of a single IR controller for the Xbox. My Pelican Eclipse is RF, works from at least 20 feet away (the farthest that I've bothered to use it), and hasn't ever lagged that I've noticed. As for feel...that's a subjective thing. I don't have any problems with the Pelican Eclipse, though.

      No it isn't OEM but who cares? I like it and it works fine for me.

    2. Re:How I deal with Console Clutter by alatesystems · · Score: 1

      Does it have the memory card thing on IT so you can plug the headset into it for live? That's what I really need. A wireless controller is useless for live if you want to use the communicator unless the memory card slots are on the controller instead of the plug.

      Chris

    3. Re:How I deal with Console Clutter by realdpk · · Score: 1

      The Logitech PS2 wireless controllers are quite nice. They're bigger than the standard PS2 controllers, but maintain basically the same "feel" in terms of layout, except the d-pad is a full circle. Admittedly that makes fighting games tougher.

      I use mine on my PC (via a cheap adapter) and the PS2. The batteries, with force feedback off, last me 2 weeks or so, and I do play a lot.

    4. Re:How I deal with Console Clutter by YomikoReadman · · Score: 1

      I've given the Logitech PS2 controller a go, as well as the Pelican for the XBox. My issue with both of those is that they are both significantly larger and/or shaped differently enough to ruin the feel of the original controller, which I noted in my original post.

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    5. Re:How I deal with Console Clutter by JediSB · · Score: 1

      but Sony and MS have yet to put out a decent wireless controller.

      Sony and MS have NEVER put out a wireless controller. The only way to get a wireless controller for those systems is to go third party.

      Currently they are all IR based, which tends to be exceptionally laggy, short on range, and the controllers themselves lose the feel of the original controller.

      Not true. Pelican makes pretty inexpensive (around $40) wireless controllers for all three systems and they are all RF based. As far as the feel of the controller, I can speak from experience with Pelican's Xbox controller. It looks and feels VERY similar to the Controller S, but it has an added benefit of extra black and white buttons on the shoulders. Very handy. Judging from pictures, their wireless PS2 controller stays pretty true to the PS2 Dual Shock 2 design.

      The downside to wireless on the Xbox is that Xbox Live is pretty much impossible as the headset plugs into the memory card slot on the controller. But the wireless controllers, to make room for the batteries, move the memory card slots to the receiver, plugged into the console.

      IGN has give both the Xbox and Ps2 wireless controllers from Pelican very good review scores.

    6. Re:How I deal with Console Clutter by YomikoReadman · · Score: 1

      IGN is actually the only site I've seen give them a good review. Everyone else trashes them for the same reasons I don't like them: They are simply way too big. The controller is nearly as large as the original XBox controller, which, IIRC has been discontinued. I could be wrong about this, but I haven't seen one in a store for over a year at this point. As for $40 and up being inexpensive, keep in mind that Nintendo sells the Wavebird for around $30, and keeps the exact same feel as the original controller. To me, and most others, that is really the deciding factor on the utility of a controller.

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    7. Re:How I deal with Console Clutter by ericrolph · · Score: 1

      I completely disagree. The Logitech wireless controller that operates on radio frequncy is better in hand and look than even the Xbox's s controller and I'm a huge look and feel freak: I own many Apple products.

  7. Well... by Vaevictis666 · · Score: 4, Informative
    There's two problems here - one in front of the TV, and one behind.

    If you're only using one TV, I greatly recommend you get a multi-RCA switcher, and plug all the consoles into it, and it into the TV. Then just make sure your cables are neat and the switcher is moderately easy to get to to switch to a different console.

    As for controller woes, I might suggest a shelving unit (maybe a smallish bookcase). Each console gets a shelf and then lay down the law about rolling controllers up and putting them on the shelf when done. Otherwise go cordless, as others have suggested. Another thing that would greatly help is color-coding the controllers - get a couple pieces of colored tape (or paint or something) and stick some on both ends of the cord. So the first player controller gets a piece of red on the console side of the cord and the controller side of the cord. This makes finding the right controller oh so much easier than tracing the tangle.

    Maybe/Maybe not an issue with the various cordless models, if they have a visible switch (for switching broadcast channels) on the top I wouldn't bother, but if it's on the back or inside (like my Firestorm PC gamepad, in between the batteries) then stick something on the front.

    1. Re:Well... by Alizarin+Erythrosin · · Score: 1

      Multi RCA? What century do you live in? All my consoles run at least s-video, with the PS2 and Xbox (Yes I finally broke down and bought one... Crimson Skies is awesome) running optical audio cables.

      The only switcher box I've found so far that switches optical, s-video, and component is $100 at Best Buy, and I'm not buying it just to switch 3 consoles. The DVD player runs through the receiver in it's own plug set.

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    2. Re:Well... by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Some of us have cheaper TVs. For that matter, I got my TV just before Sun Electronics started going out of business, and it only has a coax input!

    3. Re:Well... by Ass,+Ltd.+Ho! · · Score: 1

      What century are YOU in? Why not just plug all your consoles and DVD player into your receiver? Sounds like a pretty lame setup you've got there to me.

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    4. Re:Well... by Alizarin+Erythrosin · · Score: 1

      Um... I do. It's just that I can free up some other inputs for other devices if I use a switcher... I mean, I already have to walk up there to turn the console on and change games (if needed).

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  8. a drawer in the cabinet. by Oriumpor · · Score: 4, Informative

    Each console has a single Wireless Controller if only because even having 3 chargers is a big deal in a cabinet. However, if your cabinet has a free drawer you could probably get 6-7 chargers in a 32 inch TV cabinet drawer. I don't have a whole lot of room for even chargers so having friends over to be able to use the extra 3 slots on my consoles is a big deal, so I just pull the cords outa the closet for the time being, and the ensuing spiderweb traps all from passing through the living room.

    If chargers were smaller, or perhaps even controllers smaller this wouldn't be such a big deal. But having to put the whole controller into a charging station is a passive waste of space, as opposed to the active waste of space of cords (wrap up controller, store in cabinet/desk/etc etc.)

    It really depends on your situation.

  9. Re:Simple... by Mike+Hawk · · Score: 3, Funny

    This begs the question: Then WTF are you doing in the games section?

  10. Re:Simple... by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    For someone who is so excited about the prospect of having "real life" experiences, you certainly are wasting a lot of time communicating with people who may or may not exist. Want to share your opinion about what people should be doing with their days? Get off that chair, turn the computer off, and go stand on a soapbox on the street corner.

    Video games are a viable means of entertainment just like movies or music.

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  11. Get a console server by ar32h · · Score: 1

    Really, this is slashdot after all. Just buy a console server, or use your linux box as one. I have an old Honeywell console server that works great for text based games. You may need one of a more recent vintage to handle graphics.

    Seriously though, why can't the game console manufacturers agree on a standard? Console game support for USB HID devices would be really nice.
    I have a dream... one controller per person, no matter the console or game.

    1. Re:Get a console server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oddly enough another company has the same dream. Eleven Engineering has been working on a technology they call Spike for quite some time now. I'm not sure it will ever come to market, but it is definitely worth checking out.

      Eleven Engineering - Spike

  12. Solution: one console by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1

    Get ONE platform, either a G5 or super duper Athlon PC, and run on it programs and plug-in attachments that enable it to emulate and access media for all platforms.

    Sounds silly? It's already the norm for standup arcada game fans, who run hundreds of games on MAME instead of filling their house with fridge-sized arcade consoles.

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    1. Re:Solution: one console by Gr33nNight · · Score: 1

      Yeah, thats a great solution for those with a gamecube, ps2 and xbox. Not to mention all the fans that like to have a *real* snes, genesis, turbografx-16, sega saturn, master system, and nes. The mess of wires behind my tv is scary sometimes :)

    2. Re:Solution: one console by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then when I want to play Wind Waker, or Project Gotham 2, or Soul Calibur 2, then I can just fuck myself, right? But I'll have access to all the games I've played and beaten years ago. I just have to give up the extremely immersive entertainment I've come to expect. I like this!

      Note for the sarcasm impaired - guess what this post is!

    3. Re:Solution: one console by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      Better solution. No consoles. Not quite sure if this is what you're leading up to, but emulation is far superior to a real console if you take the time to set it up right. As an added bonus, the older systems can be emulated with virtually no effort. (SNES, NES). Playstation takes a bit more effort and N64 takes a LOT more effort.

      Want to make console gaming better and unified under one platform with no clutter? Emulate. Note: this post is not an encouragement to pirate games. I buy mine. I legally own every ROM I have. Maybe Nintendo should make a ROM downloading service like iTunes so that piracy isn't as vehemently associated with the word "emulator" as it is today.

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    4. Re:Solution: one console by EnglishTim · · Score: 1

      That's only good if you want to play console five years old or older. There aren't any sufficiently good PS2/Xbox/NGC emulators yet. I' not even sure anybody's got a DC emulated well yet.

    5. Re:Solution: one console by nephariuz · · Score: 1

      A modded XBox also works exceedingly well for this. MAME's been ported, along with emulators for all major 8 and 16-bit consoles (even the N64 one works fairly well). The only big limitation to this approach is that you only have 64MB of RAM available, so large Neo-Geo games are out.

    6. Re:Solution: one console by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kawa-X will get around that problem. It uses virutal memory so you can run the larger CPS2 and Neogeo games. Those games run pretty slow though, so they aren't perfect.

    7. Re:Solution: one console by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      True, but nevertheless the argument stands. The more people who become emu enthusiasts (like me) the more rapidly the concept will develop and become widely accepted.

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    8. Re:Solution: one console by IM6100 · · Score: 1

      I suppose it depends on what kind of 'standup arcade game fan' you are. Some of us find joy in keeping old game hardware running, intact, with original circuitry. It becomes a matter, of course, of keeping a stock of ttl chips and old SRAM parts and whatnot around, and having a good oscilloscope and docs, but isn't this a nerd website, and not just another gamer salon?

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    9. Re:Solution: one console by EnglishTim · · Score: 1

      I think that regardless of how many people are into emulation, you're never going to get reliable emulation of current console systems, simply because you're not going to have enough power in your PC to emulate a console until it's already been replaced by something new.

    10. Re:Solution: one console by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      Unless of course the big companies (namely Sony and Nintendo) recognize the demand and start offering public support for emulators.

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    11. Re:Solution: one console by EnglishTim · · Score: 1

      I don't see that ever happening. The console manufacturers value the control they have over their console systems very highly - they'd much rather you buy a real console.

      Also, the technical problems still exist - current PCs just don't have the power to emulate the current generation of consoles. (I suppose the possible exception to this is the Xbox, as the CPU itself would not need emulating...)

    12. Re:Solution: one console by Kethinov · · Score: 1
      Your point about console makers wanting to control their hardware (much like Apple wants to control their's) is valid. I disagree with the entire philosophy personally. We should have the freedom to choose our own platform whether it's console gaming or OSX. There are advantages to limiting your product to specific hardware, yes, but I see platform unity with a little extra work as more desirable than 4 different platforms that all work reasonably well out of the box. A niche, no doubt, but the demand is there and isn't going away.

      However, your technical point is not valid. The hardware in the PS2 and the GC is no better than most people's PC hardware. Any realtively modern computer could handle a well written GC or PS2 emulator. See specs below. (A dual opteron could run them both at the same time and laugh ;)

      Official PS2 Specs:
      CPU: 128 Bit "Emotion Engine"
      System Clock: 300 MHz
      System Memory: 32 MB Direct Rambus
      Memory Bus Bandwidth: 3.2 GB per second
      Co-Processor: FPU (Floating Point Multiply Accumulator x 1, Floating Point Divider x 1)
      Vector Units: VU0 and VU1 (Floating Point Multiply Accumulator x 9, Floating Point Divider x 1)
      Floating Point Performance: 6.2 GFLOPS
      3D CG Geometric Transformation: 66 million Polygons Per Second
      Compressed Image Decoder: MPEG2
      Graphics: "Graphics Synthesizer"
      Clock Frequency: 150MHz
      DRAM Bus bandwidth: 48 GB Per Second
      DRAM Bus width: 2560 bits
      Pixel Configuration: RGB:Alpha:Z Buffer (24:8:32)
      Maximum Polygon Rate: 75 Million Polygons Per Second
      Sound: "SPU2+CPU"
      Number of voices: ADPCM: 48 channel on SPU2 plus definable by software
      Sampling Frequency: 44.1 KHz or 48 KHz (selectable)
      I/O Processor
      CPU Core: Current PlayStation CPU
      Clock Frequency: 33.8 MHz or 37.5 MHz (selectable)
      Sub Bus: 32 Bit
      Interface Types: IEEE1394, Universal Serial Bus (USB)
      Communication via PC-Card PCMCIA
      Disc Media: DVD-ROM (CD-ROM compatible)

      Official name: Nintendo GameCube
      MPU (microprocessor unit): IBM Power PC "Gekko" (The Gekko MPU integrates the power PC CPU into a custom, game-centric chip.)
      Manufacturing process: .18-micron copper-wire technology
      Clock frequency: 485 MHz
      CPU capacity: 1125 Dmips (Dhrystone 2.1)
      Internal data precision: 32-bit integer and 64-bit floating-point
      External bus bandwidth: 1.3GB/second peak bandwidth (32-bit address space, 64-bit data bus 162 MHz clock)
      Internal cache:
      * L1: Instruction 32KB, Data 32KB (8 way) L2: 256KB (2 way)
      System LSI: "Flipper"
      Manufacturing process: .18-micron NEC-embedded DRAM process
      Clock frequency: 162 MHz
      Embedded frame buffer: Approx. 2MB Sustainable Latency : 6.2ns (1T-SRAM)
      Sustainable latency: 5 ns (1T-SRAM)
      Embedded texture cache: Approximately 1MB
      Texture read bandwidth: 10.4GB/second (peak)
      Main memory bandwidth: 2.6GB/second (peak)
      Color, Z buffer: Each is 24 bits
      Image processing function: 2.6GB/second (Peak)
      Other: Real-time decompression of display list, HW motion compensation capability
      The following sound-related functions are all incorporated into the System LSI:
      Sound processor: custom Macronix 16-bit DSP
      Instruction memory: 8KB RAM + 8KB ROM
      Data memory: 8KB RAM + 4KB ROM
      Clock frequency: 81 MHz
      Maximum number of simultaneously produced sounds: ADPCM: 64CH
      Sampling Frequency: 48 KHz
      System floating-point arithmetic capability: 10.5 GFlops (peak) MPU, geometry engine, HW lighting total
      Actual display capability: 6 million to 12 million polygons/second (display capability assuming actual game with complexity model, texture, etc.)
      System main memory: 24MB sustainable latency 10 ns or lower (1T-SRAM)
      A-Memory: 16MB (100 MHz DRAM)
      Disc Drive: CAV (constant angular velocity) s

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    13. Re:Solution: one console by 42forty-two42 · · Score: 1

      You neglect emulation overhead - for each instruction in the emulated box you're probably executing a few dozen instructions of the host processor, probably with a computed jump to mess up pipelining too. Since the XBox uses an x86 processor, it can be emulated without this overhead (e.g. with a modded version of vmware)

    14. Re:Solution: one console by EnglishTim · · Score: 1

      Sure, PCs are more powerful than the consoles, but you tend to need at least an order of magnitude more power to emulate a foreign processor, simply because you've got to interpret every instruction as it comes in, which is pretty costly.

      So, for a PS2 you'd need at least a 3Ghz machine just to emulate the CPU - and yes, we've got 3Ghz machines now. However, much of the PS2 power comes from it's two vector units, and you're not going to have enough spare power to handle them as well. PCs just aren't powerful enough yet for reliable emulation.

    15. Re:Solution: one console by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      It's a chicken and the egg problem. If Sony sponsored the development of a more perfect emulator, you wouldn't need as beefy a system to accurately emulate the console. The power in the hardware is there, the software simply needs refinement.

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    16. Re:Solution: one console by EnglishTim · · Score: 1

      Sure, a large team working on the problem might help, but I don't see that it can help you that much - basically with a 3Ghz PC you've got to:

      a) grab a EE instruction
      b) decode and jump to appropriate handling code
      c) execute in handling code
      d) increment program counter
      e) jump back to a)

      in ten or less instructions. Don't forget there's two pipeline-befuddling jumps in there. Also, you've got to do something similar with each of the vector processors, which adds on the neccesity to do up to 8 floating point operations per 10 instructions. All of this is assuming that you've never got to stall for memory accesses, either...

      It's not a case of optimisation, more a case of it just not being possible.

      Also, you have to consider that for Sony it's going to lose them money. Sales of their emulator would eat into console sales and piracy would eat into their emulator sales. Also, as software, the bar for playing pirated games on it would be much lower than it is with the console. So basically for anyone with a sufficiently powerful PC, a broadband connection and a 'flexible' morality it'd end up being:

      a) d/l PS2 emulator
      b) d/l crack and NOCD patch
      c) d/l images of games

      And Sony doesn't get a penny. It just doesn't make sense.

    17. Re:Solution: one console by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      Piracy is a valid concern, but arguing that developing on their own hardware is the only defense against mass piracy is flawed. In either situation, people are still going to pirate their games. It's just a question of whether it's sooner or later and to what extent. I'd wager there's just as much Playstation piracy as there is native computer game piracy, all things considered.

      And that still doesn't change the fact that I do have a sufficiently powerful PC and I refuse to invest in other platforms. Therefore because console gamers refuse to port their games to other platforms or support emulation, they have lost my business until an emulator is developed and I have a reason to buy their games.

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    18. Re:Solution: one console by EnglishTim · · Score: 1

      Well, the point I've been trying to make is that you probably don't have a powerful enough PC to emulate a PS2, and that it just doesn't make financial sense for Sony to do a PC PS2 emulator.

      Whether game developers should port their games to another platform is another matter, but porting to other platforms is always expensive and may only sometimes make financial sense.

      Scant comfort to those who don't own the right platform though, I know!

    19. Re:Solution: one console by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      Actually I've just recently looked into PS2 emulation, which is finally starting to mature. I'll need to rent a copy of FFX or something to see if it's any good though.

      I suppose I'll always hold my ground that the PC is the universal gaming platform, no matter how much in the minority it may seem at times.

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  13. Condensing Clutter by neostorm · · Score: 1

    The biggest help I found was to build myself a Mini-ITX system capable of emulating everything from my Coleco Vision to my N64. That eliminated about 80% of my clutter right there. I built my mini system into an old NES shell, bought some great joypads that had enough buttons to suite even the clunkiest contollers (FYI: that's the N64 which ranks in with a whopping 9 actual joy buttons (not including things like Start and Select), an arcade joystick set and keyboard and mouse.
    All my consoles went up on the shelf with all my games put away (with my rare ones on display). This allows the systems to have a much longer life, the controllers and carts don't get worn from use, and I can sit down and play almost 20 years worth of gaming on one box.

    As for my next gen and unemulated consoles I have two boxes: one for peripherals and one for power/video cables. I try to keep everything in the best organization possible. Compact, but not wound so tightly that it damages the cords. I usually only keep one controller out per-console unless I know people are coming over. When not in use I have a designated slot for each controller on the side of my entertainment center that keeps them out of the way but easy to access quickly.
    As for the active cords for everything, I made sure to bind everything cleanly behind the TV ad hang them out of the way. I also grabbed a label-maker from the electronics store one day and labeled every connector for power and video that was attached to my TV. I have about 4 switchboxes and a receiver, and having labels for eveything keeps it much more organized.

    That's my trick. I highly recommend getting a receiver if you don't have one, as they do wonders for organization and ease of use. After all that I mainly just tried to eliminate the least-used or older systems first and compensate with emulation, which works great. And just for the record I don't pay much mind to the "legal" issues of emulation invovled. I figure when you own tens of thousands of dollars of hardware and software it becomes moot.

    1. Re:Condensing Clutter by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 1
      Geez, you bastard! I was gonna do that (as soon as I got the $)

      I got the idea shortly after discovering my pile of broken NESs in my dad's basement (3 in all), then seeing the nesPC on mini-itx.com...

      What motherboard did you get for it? How much memory? Is it running Linux or some form of windows?

      My plan for my gamebox is to have it do everything: MAME/Console (NES, Genesis, SNES, etc)/Handheld(Gameboy, Gamegear, etc)/ Video (DVD, DivX)/MP3 server

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    2. Re:Condensing Clutter by neostorm · · Score: 1

      I grabbed the VIA EPIA M10000 MoBo with the 1Ghz Nehemia CPU. The whole setup (minus controllers and peripherals) only cost be ~$300 I believe. Very cheap for such an efficient little machine. It runs damn near everything perfectly, with very little slowdown on the most demanding games. (With the exception of a few N64 titles).

      For controllers I found the Thrustmaster Firestorms to be great, but they still lack the precision of a true console on the directional pad and one of them mysteriously broke with very little use. I would have stuck with the Playstation controllers using the USB adapters, but the PS controllers lack 1 button to make it usable for an N64 title (and I don't think I was able to map the Select/Start buttons to compensate. Might be wrong on that).

      You might want to hold off on getting one though, currently you can get a mini-ITX system with a slot for a P4 CPU up to 2.5+ Ghz. In addition to that there are video cards now that support component out (HDTV / Progressive Scan TV video format), and they're very much worth getting if you have a nice Sony or Panasonic Television.

    3. Re:Condensing Clutter by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 1
      Hmmm, I wasn't aware that there were any mini-ITX motherboards that could handle anything over 1ghz (at least I didn't see anything on the mini-itx.com site last I checked).

      How'd you do it for 300$? When I priced out my components (PSU, DVD-R (it was 10$ more than the DVD-ROM), mobo, RAM), it came out to around 500$ with 90$ for shipping.

      I've had lots of ideas dancing in my head for this project. Currently I'm helping my friend with 2 projects of his: Coctail MAME cabinet and a full-standup. Because of that, I have this crazy idea to build myself a MAME cabinet, but use the little nesPC as the core, and make it removable so I can take it to a friend's or use it in another room.

      While surfing the other day, I came across a russian site that had schematics (in english and some in russian) for wiring your parallel port for nearly every console's controllers, and I was toying with the idea of having a massive adapter mounted either on the side of the NES or inside the cartrage hole for all that.

      Btw, you didn't answer my OS question... What OS you running on your NESbox? ;)

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    4. Re:Condensing Clutter by newsdee · · Score: 1

      very little slowdown on the most demanding games. (With the exception of a few N64 titles)
      Are you using a PCI graphics card? With an Epia M 933 Mhz, its hard to get anything 3D to run decently... 2D is fine though.

    5. Re:Condensing Clutter by neostorm · · Score: 1

      Ah, sorry I forgot about the OS question. I'm running Win2k with a heavily modified shell (graphically speaking). All my Emus launch from pushbuttons on the desktop and there's no clutter at all. The start menu and all other OS features are hidden unless you Ctrl-alt-del or hit the windows key.

      About the price... This is an estimate, but I think I paid about $200 for the Motherboard and chip, about $100 for the DVDROM, $20 for the Power Supply... I think the ram was around $80, so I guess that's more around $400. This was about a year ago, so prices are probably down now I'd suspect. I overshot my initial estimate, sorry.

      As for the P4 chipsets: EPIA themselves don't have a P4 motherboard but there are some that are Mini-ITX formfactor as far as I know. Two friends of mine have these and I believe the Motherboard model is CFI-S86. Let me know if I'm mistaken...

      Another friend of mind went the controller-conversion route, rewiring his SNES and NES controllers for his PC. I love the original gamepads more than anything, nothing ever seems to match a systems original pad in quality, but since I built mine to keep space down I wanted to choose one pad that would work for all games (with the exception of the arcade stick, of course). I shopped around a lot for those. Aside from the choice I made I don't think anything beats the PS controllers, so if I didn't have that choice I'd definitely stick with them and four USB converters. Sweet stuff.
      I can't do the standup cabinet either because I like to sit and relax when I play. Hehe.

    6. Re:Condensing Clutter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, it's the onboard chipset, which is why I say the N64 games suffer the most.

  14. Re:Simple... by dJCL · · Score: 1

    Sorry, the friday after new years is slow, I'm the only person in the office and basically have to be here all day because a client could call. After work I am headed out to have dinner with the GF, tomorrow night I'm taking her to a hockey game(go sens!), and I do martial arts 3 nights a week...

    And Why am I in the games section, well, I do play them sometimes. I played a game for at least 1 hour last night(first time in a few weeks, just to kill some time). My friend just moved and held a week long lan party, I showed up for an evening there too( operation flashpoint, great game for team play.) And yes, I think my point apply to some of my friends too.

    The other answer is because I am subscribed to all sections on slashdot for those days when work is slow, like today. Usually I would not respond to an article like this.

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  15. Two Part solution by Prien715 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The first part is to get wireless controllers for your gamecube assuming you've got one.

    The second thing you can do is get a universal adapter which runs for like $15 at radio shack. It has one output (S-Video and RCA) for the TV but 3 inputs (X-Box, GC, and PS). Simply plug the adapter into all three and you've now replaced the 3 wires going from your TV to your consoles with one.

    You can get rid of consoles you don't use. For example, I think the X-box is kinda useless. Since its best two games (KoTR and Halo) are both out on PC (and there's no other good exclusive games), it's a great reason to turn it into a Linux box.

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    1. Re:Two Part solution by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      There's Crimson Skies and MechAssault. Those are good exclusive games. Oh, and all the cross-platform games look and play best on XBox. And, natch, there are tons of exclusives coming up that look great.

      The bigger question is what do you have against the XBox?

    2. Re:Two Part solution by alatesystems · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I wish I could mod you -1: Troll.

      You obviously haven't played many xbox games. Either that or you're a big RPG fan. Personally, I hate RPGs, and I'm glad there aren't that many for the xbox. I love Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge, Project Gotham Racing, Jet Grind Radio 2, Project Gotham Racing 2, SSX Tricky(yes i know it's on ps2), and all my other games. The online play on the xbox is superior as there is a standard. All your friends are on your friends list no matter what game you play and you can send cross invites and just do voice chat without even having a game in at all! The graphics are visually superior in every way to the ps2, except for ssx tricky. I think they ported that directly from the ugly jaggy ps2 version. The best looking game out for the ps2 is Socom II, and it doesn't even compare to one of the first and flagship games for the xbox: Halo: Combat Evolved.

      There are a lot of games out for the xbox now, even though it was a couple years behind the ps2 in its release. I know you think it makes you a "cool guy" to diss microsoft on slashdot, but their console really is great and so is Microsoft Game Studios. I think it used to be Bungie, but man, do they ever crank out some awesome games!

      Just because a console has 2 cross-platform games doesn't make it useless. I love my xbox and I have stopped playing pc games altogether.

      Chris

    3. Re:Two Part solution by Golias · · Score: 1
      I'm also a big fan of the M$-built X-Box. (That dollar sign instead of the S... always funny.)

      The DOA games alone makes it worth owning. I like fighting games, and DOA3 is still more fun to me than SC II. The only PS2 game I was even a little jealous of was GTA3, and it has now been ported. Anybody who owns both a PS2 and an X-Box will usually want the X-Box version of anything cross-platform due to the superior hardware performance the X-Box offers.

      I'm not slamming Nintendo or Sony here at all. Each console has its own strengths, but the X-Box is far from useless.

      I hardly play PC games ever anymore, and once that became the case, I found no need for a Windows system in my house. If anything is "useless", it's a Windows PC.

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    4. Re:Two Part solution by Phil+Wilkins · · Score: 1

      > The DOA games alone makes it worth owning.

      Yep, those jiggling titties get 'em every time.

    5. Re:Two Part solution by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Okay, so what you said is that you're not a fan of RPGs. You hate them. I don't like them either so don't think I am replying because I have some love for RPGs. In the next sentence you say, "I'm glad there aren't that many for the xbox." Here's where I lose track of your argument.

      Certainly you must recognize that RPG games can drive sales for a particular console. You should know that SNES sales were driven, in part, because of Square's relationship with Nintendo. So, given that we know RPG games can help sell a console and you obviously want games to continue to be produced for your XBox, why would you be happy about the fact that there weren't that many RPGs available for the XBox? It doesn't make sense to me. I'm happy to see either an exclusive game for the Gamecube or PS2 that is highly regarded and sells well, even if I have no interest in playing it, because it helps to solidify my consoles place(s) in the marketplace. In conclusion, I find your statement rather silly Chris.

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    6. Re:Two Part solution by Yorrike · · Score: 3, Informative
      Oh, and all the cross-platform games look and play best on XBox.

      Is that why the GameCube version of SCII sold more than the Xbox and PS2 versions?

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    7. Re:Two Part solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's because Link is a lot fucking cooler than Spawn or whatever Tekken joker they had for the other versions.

    8. Re:Two Part solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But... but... I only *got* an XBox so I could watch all the DivX videos I pirated on my TV! It's the cheapest HTPC available!

    9. Re:Two Part solution by alatesystems · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I would hope developers would produce quality action games rather than RPGs. RPGs bore the hell out of me and I try to get into them, but I end up not caring and then that passes into anger that I wasted a period of my life inside the game.

      Games like Midtown Madness 3 is what gaming is about to me. It's a quick game I can pick up without thinking about what level I am and instantly play with online and real life friends on xbox live.

      EA makes some awesome games and they need to pull their finger out of their ass and introduce online play on the xbox.

      I don't see how my statement is 'silly', but rather not in accord with yours. You're right though; anything that helps the xbox sales is a good thing to attract developers of hopefully non-rpg games. As for your snes comment, no I did not know anything about squaresoft's relationship with nintendo. I knew after I played Legend of Zelda on my gameboy and then later traded it for kirby's dreamland(another awesome game, I loved it 400 times better than zelda), that RPGs were not for me. I played games like lethal enforcers(guncon) and mario brothers on my snes.

      Chris

    10. Re:Two Part solution by DeadScreenSky · · Score: 1

      Yeah, like that isn't a feature of every recent Namco fighting game, too...

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    11. Re:Two Part solution by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Again, we already established that you don't like RPGs. There's no need for you to continue to mention that in any reply.

      You claimed to be happy that there were few RPGs for the XBox and would hate to see any come out for it. Why did you say that? Did you not realize that improved XBox sales are a good thing for even a person like yourself who does not enjoy RPGs?

      Your statement was silly because it shows a lack of thought about the larger state of affairs. You were basically saying you only wanted to see games that you enjoyed released for the XBox - a silly stance to take as it is a sure thing that MS can't maintain a market with 'just Chris.' Apologize for your silly statement any time now.

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    12. Re:Two Part solution by Golias · · Score: 1

      If all I wanted was Jiggle, SC II would have been more than good enough for me.

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    13. Re:Two Part solution by alatesystems · · Score: 1

      Please re-read parent. It answers the questions you pose. Also, this is getting to be a nastily nested thread. If you wish, you may contact me via email.

      Chris

    14. Re:Two Part solution by johnwroach · · Score: 1
      No, it's because Link is cooler than Heiachi (sp?) and Spawn. Combined.

      Personally, I buy all my cross platform games for the X-Box because I HATE memory cards.

    15. Re:Two Part solution by Yorrike · · Score: 1
      Yes. This is my point. The claim that cross platform games play better on Xbox is clearly flase, as I have provided an example to disprove it.

      Anyone who replies to me saying "no, it's because Link is better than the other exclusive characters", is only strengthening my case.

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    16. Re:Two Part solution by johnwroach · · Score: 1
      No, you said the Gamecube version sold better. It happened to feature a very recognizable mascot. Brand recognition=sales.

      Even if the GC version sold more copies because it played better (which has still not been decided) you cannot refute a claim such as that with one case.

      and besides, I wasn't disagreeing with you at all. Your case (apparently that cross platform games do not play better on the XBox) is currently not under dispute. My point was that I prefer the XBox verstion so I won't have to shell out more money for a new memory card for every sports game (or whatever)I buy.

    17. Re:Two Part solution by Yorrike · · Score: 1
      Fair enough.

      That hard drive will get full at some point though : )

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    18. Re:Two Part solution by johnwroach · · Score: 1

      The solution is obvious: I'll have to buy another XBox. One for games, and use the old one for all the CD's I rip to it but never listen to.

  16. Wireless by CokoBWare · · Score: 2, Informative

    I solved my console burden with crazy wires by buying wireless controllers. The wireless controllers make a huge difference for convenience sake, and I still am using the same batteries 4 months later on one of my controllers. It does cost money, but if you make video games your serious hobby, consider this option. I recommend Mad Catz brand for the PS2, and I would seek reviews for other console wireless controllers. Also, ask people at your local video game store, as they will likely have experience or reactions from gamers who use them.

    1. Re:Wireless by pilott · · Score: 1

      I don't know if if you got a good one, or I just got a bad one, but the mad catz wireless ps2 controller I got was worthless for playing any kind of action/reflex game whatsoever. I tried playing GT3 with it and gave it up after 2 minutes, because the analog sticks were not tracking. I did but it when it first came out (900 MHz wireless, I think, with a little docking station) and maybe they have improved since then, but this is one controller that has been collection dust since I got it.

  17. My solution by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 3, Informative

    Put. Everything. Away. Every. Time. Finished an epochal 4-way multiplayer session of Halo? Unplug all the controllers, wrap the cords up, and put them away in drawers or cabinets. Yes it takes 2 minutes, but this to me is preferable than having a tangled mess of controllers, AV cords, etc. The consoles themselves sit in a nice AV cabinet with the cables going to a switch box, with enough slack in the cables to pull the consoles out of the rack and onto the floor during use. After use the console goes back into the AV cabinet, with controllers safely stowed in drawers of the AV cabinet.

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    1. Re:My solution by nephariuz · · Score: 1

      Second that. I have about 10 Sterilite 40-gallon plastic storage drawers tucked in my closet. Each holds a console, along with all its cords, controllers, and games. When I want to play a Gamecube game, I just bring that drawer into the living room, hook up the console, plug in the game, and go. When I'm done, I throw it all in the drawer, and take it back to the closet. A switchbox with A/V plugs in the front can help with this. I use a Sony SB-V55A, which has the added benefit of auto-switching to my VCR, DVD player, or console as soon as it receives a new video signal from one of them.

    2. Re:My solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this worked well in my college dorm..you start it..it catches on..all good.

  18. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd hate to see your real-world counterpart for a game of Tetris. ;)

  19. My answer: emulators by jvmatthe · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I propose using consoles to emulate other consoles, thus keeping the number of necessary consoles to a minimum. Still, there will be some clutter, but it will be greatly reduced.

    I can currently play Atari 2600, Atari 5200, NES, Commodore 64, Genesis, GameBoy/GameBoy Color/GameBoy Advance, DreamCast, PSX, PS2, and GameCube games all using just three consoles: my Dreamcast, PS2, and GameCube. I could include the Sega Master System and NeoGeo Pocket in there, if I had games for those systems. (I don't do the piracy thing.) If I were willing to live with some slowdown, I could add the SNES to that list. There are MAME packs too, but I've not tried them and can't speak to their quality.

    That's a lot of gaming from just three consoles, so I'm fairly happy. It takes some effort, though. You can read about it in my last Slashdot post which has links to all the important stuff, like modding a PS2 and how each of the emulators works.

    Of course, the real solution is apparently to use an Xbox. Unfortunately, I've got qualms about doing that (see discussion here, esp. the comments below the story). Others don't.

    Then again, you can also go with a tiny PC next to the TV. I'm seriously considering that, although it wouldn't get rid of the DreamCast, PS2, and GC, since they're not emulated (sufficiently well) by any system yet.

    1. Re:My answer: emulators by KevetS · · Score: 1

      Getting a tiny PC next to the TV may be an option... but a modded Xbox will give you just about all the functionality you'll need to be using it for anyway. Our modded Xbox plays Atari, C64, NES, Genesis, SNES, GBA, MAME games all great. It even is able to handle some n64 games but now that we have a Gamecube we can use that to emulate the n64 games (how do you think they got ocarina of time and majora's mask to work on the GC zelda disc they gave away? emulators of course!).

      Not to mention that it's also turned into a media server to play Divx movies and any other media we have shared to it over our LAN. It really is quite useful to have all that in one box running with the same controllers. So right now just about all the gaming we do is on the Xbox or Gamecube. My PS2 is just gathering dust as just about all the games I want to play have an Xbox equivalent now which looks and plays better anyway.

      Having said all that... our cords still lie all over the place since we have extension cords for all the controllers... 4 for xbox, 4 for gamecube.. it gets messy unless we actually put everything away. That's really the best way to do it. I would love to have 4 wavebird controllers for the GC but that would not only be like $200 I bet but it would interfere with my precious 2.4ghz wireless network also. I'll keep my cords for now, thanks.

      Now all I need is a television that can do 1080i and preferably with 5+ sets of inputs so I don't have to worry about using that pesky switchbox all the time. Then, life will be good ;)

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    2. Re:My answer: emulators by aflat362 · · Score: 1
      Emulation is not even close to the real thing. I wouldn't dream of giving up my original NES. Sure, I could play super mario on my PC or on pretty much any console that emulation makes possible. But I'd still know that the Graphics, Sound and tactile controller response just aren't the same.

      I have an Atari 2600, NES, SNES, N64, GCN, PS2, Sega Master System, Sega Genesis, PC gaming machine and a total of 171 original copy games. I wouldn't accept emulation as a substitue for any of them. So I have the GCN, PS2 and N64 on my main TV because I play them most and I rotate the other consoles when I want to play them on a smaller tv in my bedroom.

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  20. Re:Why do you need all those consoles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why does having a large collection of games mean someone wastes their life playing them? People have huge movie collections but you wouldn't really consider them to be sitting on their asses watching movies all the time, right?

    You're a fool to respond to an article like this with you're "gamers = people with no lives" attitude, so lay off other poeples hobbies because they probably waste less time in life than people trolling such as yourself.

  21. Re:Simple... by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 2, Insightful
    That's all well and good but here's the thing. Why take the girlfriend to watch a hockey game when you could be playing hockey instead? You see, your original statement was that video games are a complete waste of time and that people should dump them in the garbage as soon as possible. You may have overstated your position but that is what you said so I'll work from that. Video games can provide a nice form of entertainment. While I would agree with you that video games should be played in moderation but most entertainment mediums should be enjoyed in moderation.

    Since you were playing video games just last night, your original post is quite hypocritical because it basically showcased the idea that no one should be playing video games, ever. You may try to shift this position slightly now but that was your original point.

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  22. Get this by NickV · · Score: 2, Informative

    You want this. It's great for handling multiple video cables and audio cables. I've had others, but this one does component, ethernet and optical audio too! It's really great (unless your tv has 7 video inputs already that is!)

    Also, get yourself a wireless controller for all your consoles, and get a nice cabinent that holds them all, so all the cables would go behind the wall unit. My set up is surprisingly clean, even though I have 3 consoles, a dvd player, a audio reciever and a computer... even the girlfriend approves! (as long as she gets to play monkey ball)

    1. Re:Get this by e.m.rainey · · Score: 1

      We need one of those, but with an IR remote so we can program our monster universal remotes (like the MX-500 from Home Theatre Master) to go to the right switch. 'Course, that'd run a couple 100 after that.

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  23. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Real life sucks, escape is fun, nothing release anger like shooting somthing in the face. Especially if you are a tech at an ISP, so go preach somewhere besides the game section of slashdot.

  24. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So basically you're just someone who has too much time on their hands, and despite having no business commenting on a scene that is admittedly not your own, you feel like you have the right to pop in and critisize others' hobbies?

    Rrrrriiiiight... Get back to work, you!

  25. Buy stuff by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

    Go to Ikea for storage thingies, and to Radio Shak for an audio/video source selector, get the wireless controller for you, and roll up the cords around the controllers you aren't using most of the time, put those in a drawer.

    What I do is that I keep the cords plugged in the wall and the tv's source selector, and when I want to use a console, I just get the right power cable (allready plugged in the wall) from behind the couch and the right AV cable from behind the tv, plug it in the console and away I go.

    I either keep the consoles I use rarely in a cabinet or drawer and the one I use a lot (the ps2) stading up in a corner next to the TV (takes up less space standing up than lying down).

    This, of course, means taking a minute to set up and 2 minutes to put away after use (when needed).

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  26. Re:Only one way to remove console clutter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah.. how quaint. Once again some fool gives the ol' compensation of machismo for understing or common sense.

    "I'm a real man! I don't play your silly games! Games are for kids! I fuck chicks!"

    Please...

  27. Our Solution... (XBOX, GC, PS2, Genesis, DC, N64) by Hollinger · · Score: 1

    And one more that I've forgotten...
    We have all of the above, and anywhere from 2 to 4 controllers for each system. They all go to a RCA switch (available from Wally World or Best Buy or anywhere else, for that matter). One useful thing I've discovered at Best Buy: Various companies sell multi-system adapter universal cables similar to this one. This will neaten up the snake nest behind your TV, if you can manage to cluster all of the machines (or as many as is convenient) in one spot. One word of warning: The PS2 appears to ground the audio channels when it's in "standby" mode, killing the audio signal from any other console that happens to be plugged into the same universal cable. We have to keep the machine "off" by flipping the switch on the back to keep this from happening. When off, it lets the line float.

    With that said, you could put a drawer or bin next to the TV with all of the controllers (we keep ours on top of our entertainment center in semi-neat rows according to system). You just have to remember to unplug the controllers when you're done playing.

  28. Even better... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just use YOUR girlfriend. That way she takes all your money and time, I still get laid, AND I get to the end of Final Fantasy.

    My life is at least twice as good as yours is! =D

  29. Console Clutter Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    You'll need:
    - A big TV cabinet with plenty of component shelves and a big drawer
    - An A/V switchbox
    - n number of power strips
    - Coffee tables with drawers
    The way I manage mine (7 consoles with multiple controllers each -- including keyboards, light guns, maracas, etc...) is to put one or two consoles (depending on size) on each components shelf with only one controller stored with it. Each has it's cables neat run through the back of the cabinet and to one of the power bars, and either the co-ax daisy chain or the AV switch. I keep a second controller in one of my coffee table drawers for when someone else wants to play. All other controllers are stored, neatly wrapped up, grouped by system, in the big drawer. Games are stored on DVD and CD racks, or on bookshelves -- however shape dictates.
    When I'm playing a system, it might get a little messy, especially if 4 players are in, but it's easy to clean up afterwards so my wife doesn't complain much. My home theatre is not a fantastic one, but it supports my 7 game systems, plus a Sony receiver with 5 speakers, DVD changer, digital cable box, and a hook-up for my PowerBook so I can play iTunes through the stereo.
    I have room to add at least 3 more consoles before things get really tight.

  30. I am the clutter by fm6 · · Score: 1
    Junction boxes are very nice. They're even a necessity if you have more than 1 device that you need to plug into your TV. I bought mine so I wouldn't have to fiddle with the cables to bypass my settop box -- like when I want to record a scrambled or digital channel and watch an ordinary channel at the same time, or vice versa. Difficult to see how they help with cable clutter, though -- you actually need more cables to use them.

    Cable clutter is an issue with me, both for my TV and my computer. I've tried using conduits and ties, and various storage thingees, but they don't work for me. Judging from your description of your setup, your main weapon against clutter is an orderly mind and orderly habits. Everything else is just tool. Which is cool, but not much help to those of us who are neatness-challenged.

  31. Why don't anyone Think Of The Children!?!1+1+ by Fizzl · · Score: 0, Troll

    You have your living room choked full of this electronic goodnes and even dare to boast about it on the frontpage of /. ?!
    Think about all the starving ethiopian kids who could have been saved if you donated the money of the XBox to them instead of whining here how bad you have it when the wires tangle!

    And why don't these guys work on something usefull for everyone, like Linux, instead of this useless piece of HurdBSDobscureInterestingProjectNotMainstreamNerdi ty?!

    Sheesh...

    (I'm drunk. I have Karma to burn. I hate Slashbots.)

  32. Um, try the Logitech conrtoller. by moebius206 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I must first admit that I haven't paid much attention to any wireless controllers for the PS2 that have come out since.

    But check out Logitech's Wireless PS2 Controller. Its uses the 2.4ghz spectrum, not infra-red. My receiver for the unit is always behind the 1/2" oak doors of my entertainment center. The reach is more than sufficient.


    In fact, here's a quick little review:

    It comes with all the features of your standard ps2 controller -- same button config, vibrations, and analog/digital controls. The controller itself is slightly larger than the normal ps2 controllers, and once in your hands feels horribly large and heavy (due to the 4 AA batteries in it). But you get accustomed to it pretty quick. In fact, because its wireless, its more or less all I use now. Its shape is slightly more open than the ps2, as well.. it kinda feels more comfortable to me now.

    The fact that it uses 2.4ghz instead of 900 mhz makes a HELL of a difference in lag (push button, a second later something happens). I refused to buy a wireless controller (such as the Mad Catz controller) until something came out running at least at 2.4g. That said, there is still some lag. Nothing as bad as the 900mhz controllers I've tried, but laying fighters like DoA, Guilty Gear, etc will bring notice to the slight lapse immediately. Rythym games, some racers, and anythign else requiring spot-on reflexes are also subject to the occasional problems. It really depends on the game. I can play Robotech: Battlecry with no noticeable lag, but I have issues in REZ. Fresh batteries can sometimes help.

    For all other games, it works great. Your typical platformer's are fine. I've used mine all the way through half of the Legacy of Kain games, Jak and Daxter, Devil May Cry, etc without a hitch. RPG's, of course, are fine as well.

    Don't let the advertised battery life (50 hours, for the lazy) fool you. That's with EVERYTHING turned off. Analog, and vibration, and assumes you are playing a lengthy-dialogued RPG. I've change my batteries at least 5 times this past year, with RPG's accounting for about half of the game time. Playing something that involves a lot of button mashing will obviously suck the life from the controller.

    In fact, that's my biggest gripe. Why oh why Logitech couldn't put Lithiom Ion batteries in this thing, and give it a cradle to recharge in every day is beyond me. Wouldn't that be perfect? Just like your modern day cordless phones. Again, playing with a fresh set of batteries makes all the difference. I know switching them out 5 or so times a year doesn't seem like much, but that's only because I am cheap and sacrifice some lag on the controller response for extra battery life. I also NEVER have the vibration turned on (I don't miss it much, but if it were fully charged every day via a cradle, it would definitely be on). Its really just a nuisance.

    Mind you, keeping an eye on your battery life is no where near as annoying as cables everywhere.

    I just wish I could find something as good for my beloved Dreamcast, whose controllers cables are the shortest in the world.

    1. Re:Um, try the Logitech conrtoller. by realdpk · · Score: 1

      I bought three sets of 1800mAh NiMH batteries for my controllers. They've "paid for themselves" already, since I haven't had to buy about ~15 sets of alkalines. The rechargables, with charger, cost between $13/set and $20/set.

      If you go the wireless route (I too highly recommend the Logitech) I'd definitely suggest investing in a few sets of rechargables. Not only will you feel better about what you're doing to the environment (heh ;) ) but nothing beats the convenience of not having to rush to the store to get more batteries.

    2. Re:Um, try the Logitech conrtoller. by scot4875 · · Score: 1

      The fact that it uses 2.4ghz instead of 900 mhz makes a HELL of a difference in lag

      Ummm ... what? 2.4 ghz signals travel at the same speed as 900 mhz signals. And even if they didn't, you're talking about a distance so short that it wouldn't make a difference. The 'lag' has everything to do with the quality of the transmitter/receiver, and nothing to do with the frequency.

      I've change my batteries at least 5 times this past year

      Wow. Using my Wavebird (which, admittedly, doesn't have rumble), I've changed batteries twice in the ~20 months I've owned it (and once was last week). And that's certainly not because I don't play it very often ... Judging from some of the games I went through on a single set of batteries, I'd guess I put at least 250 hours on my last set of AA's.

      The only problems I've had are, like you said, not having a cradel and rechargable batteries. Also, I've got a 900Mhz phone, and whenever it rings it interferes with the controller. Doesn't hurt much, since most of my gaming is in the late evenings and nobody's calling, but still an annoyance.

      --Jeremy

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    3. Re:Um, try the Logitech conrtoller. by moebius206 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The fact that it uses 2.4ghz instead of 900 mhz makes a HELL of a difference in lag

      Ummm ... what? 2.4 ghz signals travel at the same speed as 900 mhz signals. And even if they didn't, you're talking about a distance so short that it wouldn't make a difference in overall performance. The 'lag' has everything to do with the quality of the transmitter/receiver, and nothing to do with the frequency.


      There's a lot more interference experienced by 900mhz devices than 2.4. Or perhaps its a throughput issue? I don't how much information is exchanged for the ps2 controllers vs the gamecube's. But there is a difference between all the ps2's popular 900mhz controllers and the 2.4gigs. That's not to say that it isn't simply a better transceiver. I just associated the performance with less interference.

      Wow. Using my Wavebird (which, admittedly, doesn't have rumble), I've changed batteries twice in the ~20 months I've owned it (and once was last week). And that's certainly not because I don't play it very often ... Judging from some of the games I went through on a single set of batteries, I'd guess I put at least 250 hours on my last set of AA's.

      Yeah, well obviously its an engineering difference. I mean, the wavebird requires 2 AA batteries where this logitech requires 4! 900mhz devices DO consume less power, as well. As you know, power consumption is more about how much work the controller is doing. Playing 250 hours of RPG's is not like playing 250 hours of a platformer, and certainly not a fighter or most racers. And besides, I never said "my wavebird eats 5 sets of batteries a year". Just that this particular Logitech controller eats them -- and realdpk said himself he's had to recharge at ~15 times in the last year and a half. Believe me, I wish it was as miserly. I'll be the first to get in line and claim that the wavebird is practically perfect in every way (Poppins!). But this thread was talking about controller's other than wavebirds, right?

      I would prefer Sony to put out its own wireless controller, much like the wavebird. I would bet on it consuming less power, having a charger, and there being far less latency. I think Sony announced that the PS3's controllers *would* be wireless...

  33. Yawn... by BTWR · · Score: 5, Funny

    There's always SOMEONE...

    Slashdot: Which portable gaming system is the best?
    Asshole: Get a life, fatass, and stop playing games. Oh yeah, and I have a girlfriend!

    Slashdot: New Dreamcast games available!
    Asshole: Well, you shouldn't be playing videobasketball anyway! Play the real one instead, fatass! Did I mention that I have a girlfriend?

    Slashdot: I have a simple question, one which, surprisingly does NOT require innane social commentary... how can I make the growing amount of wires cluttering up my console slightly neater?
    Asshole: You're so fat and dumb. You've probably never even SEEN a real football before. And I'm so smart and intelligent, I'm gonna mention that I have a girlfriend, and then I'll say how I don't do lame videogame sports but I'd rather play them for REAL! Oh, and instead of playing hockey, I'm going to mention in a reply to one of my own posts that instead of following my own advice/criticisms and going out and playing a sport instead of doing a passive activity, I'm going to take my girlfriend to SEE a hockey game! The calories are just burning away! Yay!

    1. Re:Yawn... by gangien · · Score: 1

      Well, you shouldn't be playing videobasketball anyway! Play the real one instead

      It's interesting, I play(ed) semi-pro football, and I think a lot of geeks would be surprised about how many video games they play. Seriously, they'll talk smack about how they whooped someone at madden 2k4 during practice. It is mostly sports games they seem to play, but occassionaly another type of game slips in there.

    2. Re:Yawn... by Ty · · Score: 1

      Grats on falling for what was obviously a troll, fatass! Get out and get some sun, you've probably never seen it!

  34. Re:Simple... by dJCL · · Score: 1

    Um... Jenga?

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  35. How handles are you? by Fizzl · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Spiral wrap
    Some JeesusTeippi might also help.

    The brilliant minds who have no grasp of simple mechanical solutions....

    (Yup, still have Karma to burn)

  36. Must... resist... urge... by JFMulder · · Score: 1

    ... to.... troll....
    Sell them and get a life! ;)

    Seriously though, one of my frist has a cabinet dedicated to his consoles, in addition to the one he has his home theater equipment into. I guess that's the easiest way to solve the problem.

    Appart from selling all of them. ;)

  37. Binding cords by cgenman · · Score: 1

    To expand upon the poster above, bind your cords. If you Zip-tie all your power cords together, all of your RCA cables, etc, until you have little discrete functionality units (I am Jack's VCR Inputs), you can eliminate a lot of clutter. Zip-tie those down to your rack / display unit, and they hardly count as clutter at all. Label all of your cords... It takes longer now, but it will save you lots of probing later, when you are less likely to be worrying about making a mess.

    Lots of little special-use attachments? Keep them in a box separate from everything else, so that those NegCons don't clutter up your regular area. Lots of controllers? Wind them up and put them away.

  38. Switch to PC/Mac gaming by JeffTL · · Score: 1

    Evidently you already have a computer, so next time you get a computer, get a really nice one and quit buying more consoles. Retain the current ones if you want, but buy no more.

  39. A question about NiMH rechargeables by moebius206 · · Score: 1

    Forgetting any problems from half-lifing, how well do they perform? Maybe its me, but I've noticed that they just don't perform as consistently as alkaline. I'd still like my Li-Ion :)

    1. Re:A question about NiMH rechargeables by realdpk · · Score: 1

      They don't last as long as the alkalines I've used, but I haven't had any problems with them losing capacity over time. Then again I've only had them for about a year and a half. When they start to die, they seem to drop off pretty quick, making me think they are operating at a good voltage up until then, which seems like a good thing. (But I'm no chemist. :)

  40. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree whole heartedly, nothing is more satifying than sitting around with your friends sniping people out of ghost and warthogs(Halo) in a big 16 person CTF.

  41. The Penny Arcade solution... by Thornae · · Score: 2, Funny

    You'll probably end up like this.

    Actually, the PA guys have a section called The Hookup, which may be of some help...

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    1. Re:The Penny Arcade solution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      "The Hookup" is a load of ass. It's just a marketting vehicle for Monster Cable, which has bought the websites' proprieters mind, body and soul.

      Monster Cable does not increase quality of your system by a noticable amount, it's a massive hoax that I can speak against from personal experience. I have a several thousand dollar setup in my living room and the first amount of cash I dropped on a Monster cable setup was the last, as it was absolutely no different than using generic gold-plated connectors bought from Radio Shack. This isn't a troll it's the truth. Just thought I'd share.

    2. Re:The Penny Arcade solution... by Golias · · Score: 1
      Monster Cable does not increase quality of your system by a noticable amount, it's a massive hoax that I can speak against from personal experience... This isn't a troll it's the truth. Just thought I'd share.

      A little googling around of stereo and A/V equipment reviews will back up what the AC is saying here. Monster Cable has never proven any level of superiority over cheap, generic cable made with like materials in a third-party double-blind test, and they never will, because there really only are a handful of cable-pulling companies in the world, and Monster buys it all from those companies just like everybody else. If you paid money for anything from Monster, I'm very sorry, but you were ripped off.

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    3. Re:The Penny Arcade solution... by Thornae · · Score: 1

      Meh, fair enough. I've never actually checked their stuff out, being in the wrong country and all, so had no idea.

      The strip is still relevant, though... (=

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    4. Re:The Penny Arcade solution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you paid money for anything from Monster, I'm very sorry, but you were ripped off.

      Not if you bought it second-hand... I have a set of Monster cables for PS2 that I got at a local game store as pre-owned for $5.

      They're still no better than the others, I'll grant you, but if they're $5 I'd pick up another set.

  42. The system in my house. by EnglishTim · · Score: 1

    We have these three pods from Ikea that double as storage and children's seats* - here's a picture (safe for work, I promise!)

    We have one of these for each console, and the games and contollers are stored in them (Apart from the Steel Battalion one, which has to be stored seperately...).

    There's a rule in our house that whenever you've finished with a console, you take the game out and put it away, remove the controllers, wrap the cords around them and put them away as well. Depending on the console, sometimes you have to disconnect it and put it away as well.

    At first it sound like a pain in the ass, but really it takes two minutes once you've finished playing and it makes a great difference to the room, as you don't have some tangled spaghetti of chord lying about under your TV.

    So anyway - three rules:

    1) Have some dedicated storage for your consoles
    2) Always remove controllers
    3) Always wrap the cords around the controllers. This stops them tangling when stored.

    Problem solved ;-)

    * I originally thought they would be fine as adult seats as well, but the one I tended to sit on has a bunch of huge cracks in the lid...

  43. what's performance like? by *weasel · · Score: 1

    my only experience with wireless controls is on the PC, and wireless mice are -not- good for gaming.

    are wireless gamepads for consoles better? and how are the batteries? how long can you play on one charge? 6 hours? 10 hours? how's the range?

    i mean, i've read the specs, but i've learned not to trust them for things like functional range, response time, and actual battery life.

    any honest reviews are quite welcome.

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    1. Re:what's performance like? by hikerhat · · Score: 1

      I've got the wavebird for game cube. I love it. It is an RF controller, so you don't have to be pointing it at the receiver or anything like that. It feels exactly like the stock game cube controller, except no rumble pack. I got it the same day I got the game cube, so I've never used the wired controller, so I can't really compare. But I don't notice any lag with it. The box claims 100 hours battery life. I haven't measured it, but I'm able to go a few weeks on a set of batteries (2 AA). I've heard the wireless controllers for other consols aren't very good. I only have a game cube though.

    2. Re:what's performance like? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The wavebird is perfect, and first-party. You can't go wrong with it. I can't say anything about the ps2/xbox 3rd party ones however. I'd put the stats at 100+ hours, with at least a 20 foot range, instant response

    3. Re:what's performance like? by memco · · Score: 1

      The wavebird is an excellent controller. I've replaced the batteries twice in the year and a half I have owned it. I haven't noticed any lag or interference yet. I haven't used wireless for any other system, but if it was like the wavebird, I'm sure they'd be used over wired controllers.

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  44. Emulation is the sincerest form of flattery. by rev0102 · · Score: 1

    The family entertainment center used to be a rat's nest of cords and wires for various consoles. We now have a much larger piece of furniture (mame arcade cabinet), that runs Atari 2600, Nintendo, Super Nintendo, and Nintendo 64, in addition to standard mame games, all of which can be played from either 2 Nintendo 64 controllers (very comfortable for everything but mame, imo) or from the actual arcade controls. Cleaned up the wires nicely, but at a cost of about 42 cubic feet of living room space for the cabinet. :)

  45. Here's what I do... by True+Freak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I currently have 17 console systems...all hooked up to the same tv.

    I have a wall dedticated to the tv...with the tv in the center. I put a short shelving unit on each side of the tv and my speakers on the outside. I have a cloth tacked to the back of the shelving units so that you can't see any wires from the front. My wife hates wires so I have managed to not have a single wire visible...with the exception of in-use controllers of course.

    To hook them all up to the tv I have one "Parent" switch box with several "Child" switch boxes off of that. I have all my systems and switch boxes labeled very clearly so visitors know what to push to get the system they want.

    For storage of controllers etc...I picked up several small plastic baskets for about $1.50 each at Target. Each basket is big enough to hold all the accessories for at least one system. I stack all the baskets on a shelf in my closet.

    For power...this is the hard one...I am currently using 6 power strips...but this is something I'm fixing right now. I just picked up the supplies to make my own 60 outlet power strip. Along with the 17 systems I also have 2 computers, the tv, couple dvd players, stero, etc...

    This all makes for a very clean and easy to use setup...just don't look behind the tv :)

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  46. Question in the same vein. by Masem · · Score: 1
    I've got all 3 systems, and a cable box, and using a nice console box mentioned elsewhere that takes multiple component, s-video, and composite video, as well as RCA and digital audio, to switch between systems. I've found cables for all 3 consoles that do the s-video conversion, but am interested in going to component wherever possible (I've found solutions for the PS2 and XBox, nothing yet for the Cube). If this was all going to one TV, I'd be ok, as I can use both the component and the s-video without a problem, but I've got a weird two TV setup (one is for an office-like area, one is the living room TV where I exercise). At this point, only one TV can take s-video and not component. As it is now, I have everything using s-video, and have a s-video relayer with multiple s-video (and composite and RCA audio) out to take the output from the switcher box to both TVs/reciever systems. The PS2 and Xbox component cables are such that if you use them, you can't do composite or s-video, so I would not be able to use those on the component-video-lacking TV, but I need to have them on both.

    In other words, I'm looking for a way to convert component video inputs to s-video (or even composite if necessary), such that I can take the component video output from the PS2 and Xbox and make it s-video, while still having a passthrough on the component signal ideally (I figure that since the component cables are simple RCA-type jacks, you can Y-them to split the signal, so I could do this instead), or something that will upgrade the s-video signal to a component signal, again ideally with some passthrough. This way, I can use the devices with component video on the component-video tv, while still having s-video handling on the older TV.

    And yes, this does produce a nice mess of cables, but they're mostly hidden from view. :-)

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  47. Put them all in one case ... by doublesix · · Score: 1

    http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/supergeek/story /0,24330,3381725,00.html
    The following systems are installed in the Boxx:
    Atari 2600
    Nintendo Entertainment System (8-bit)
    Microsoft Xbox
    Nintendo GameCube
    Sony PlayStation 2
    A custom PC

  48. Put consoles near couch by magic · · Score: 1
    I keep my DVD, VCR, and consoles on a separate equipment rack that is hidden behind the couch. The TV is across the room, and a single cable runs from my switcher/RF modulator to the TV. This keeps the clutter hidden away and means you don't have to sit in front of the TV, either.


    The only remaining clutter is the controller cables, and I think the wireless controllers are a great suggestion for that problem.


    -m

  49. Wireless baby! by Mean_Nishka · · Score: 1
    I had the same problem.. I have both an Xbox and a Gamecube and was forced to keep both units on the floor because of a lack of space. I bought some pelican G3 wireless controllers for the GC (for next to nothing due to a buy.com price mistake) and went with a the Logitech controller for the Xbox (which is a masterpiece by the way).

    The result is that I not only cleaned up wire clutter, but I also managed to get my consoles off the floor and out of reach of the dog. Both controllers work great, the only downside is the xbox controller doesn't support the headset without a wire being strewn across the room. Otherwise it's good stuff!

  50. Ikea! by SpookWarfare · · Score: 3, Informative

    This shelf from Ikea (Heri) squeezes nicely into a corner and perfectly accomodates all four consoles (from top to bottom: GameCube, Dreamcast, PS2, Xbox). Pair it with wireless controllers and you're good to go.

  51. Heh. by jermyjerm · · Score: 1, Funny

    For someone so up in arms about another person preaching on how people should spend their time, one certainly wouldn't think that you'd do it yourself.

    Get off that chair, turn the computer off, and go stand on a soapbox on the street corner, indeed.

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    1. Re:Heh. by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 1
      Wow, you really showed me, didn't you?

      Been watching and waiting for your moment to pounce? How does it feel now that it is here? You should tell all your friends how you put some guy on the Internet in his place!

      Oh wait, no you didn't.

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    2. Re:Heh. by jermyjerm · · Score: 1

      I just wanted another dose of that sarcastic wit. It's genius as always. Reminds me of my 13 year-old cousin, in fact.

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  52. I am no troll by Prien715 · · Score: 1

    I said "kinda useless". Not "completely useless". I happen to dislike crossplatform releases for the X-box because I think out of the 3 major systems, it has the worst controller and although I've played with 3rd party ones, none of them (that I've seen) compare with either the GC or PS2. (And even then, I despise playing FPS games without a keyboard and a mouse.) Graphically, I don't give a damn. (I stop noticing graphics after the first 5 minutes of playing). I want good gameplay. I'd rather play tetris than dead or alive beach volleyball. Online stuff is mostly superior on PC as its been around longer and doesn't have a subscription fee.

    I also didn't about half these games on X-box. One of my friends has an X-box and I've played all the games he has for it and they were wholly unimpressive. But then again, he prolly has bad taste in games (doesn't even own any of the nintendo games for GC...except Luigi's mansion).

    No, I don't hate MS as is apparent by my sig. However, I do think of all the consoles, their games are currently the weakest. PS2 has sheer market share (lots of variety) while GC has the best multiplayer of any console (I use PC for online so no X-Box draw there) and has won the Gamespot game of the year two years in a row for its single player offerings. A couple good racing games (I've never tried them as I mentioned) and a decent flight sim (again, wouldn't an actual flight stick be better?) don't make it the best console.

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    1. Re:I am no troll by johnwroach · · Score: 1
      (again, wouldn't an actual flight stick be better?)

      So buy one.

      But I gotcha. Not nearly the selection a PC has. I remember back in the good old days you could buy all kinds of wacky controllers for consoles. Powerglove, anyone?

  53. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the real answer is that you're a large bag of penis.

  54. eBay. by IM6100 · · Score: 2, Funny

    My solution was eBay. All the kids have their Christmas dollars right now to spend, so I listed both of our Playstations on eBay. I shopped one of them out today, am still awaiting payment for the other. If you have a good portfolio of games, it helps to 'bundle' a few good ones with each console you list.

    Problem solved.

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  55. component video switching by jaredcat · · Score: 1

    I find that my biggest problem with a/v clutter is running out of component video ports. My receiver only switches 2 component video sources, and I don't really want to spend a bazillion dollars for a receiver that can switch 3 or 5. I'd rather have the best video quality than resort to using RCA cables or even SVIDEO for my various a/v devices-- so right now I just end up getting up and pulling wires in and out every time I want to switch devices.

    Does anyone here know of a company making a really basic component video switch? Preferably one that doesn't suck.

    1. Re:component video switching by geekboy2k · · Score: 1
      If you read Penny-Arcade's "The Hook Up" he talks about component video switchers, I guess there is some question of them passing a HD signal... Kind of ruins the reason to have component. Here is a component switcher, not sure how it works (if it passes HD or not), but for $100 I guess you can't ask for much.

      http://www.consoleaccessories.com/unv004.asp?img=b #largeimg

      I would be interested to find out how that particular accessory works though... I myself am probably going to get a decent reciever and use a few of the inputs on that, or go with some really High Quality extension cables and make an "extension box" to plug one console in at a time...

    2. Re:component video switching by rotciv86 · · Score: 1

      Yamaha makes a home theatre device that converts all video ins into component video out. I think it's the rxv-1400 series. Cost was around $800, keep in mind thats just the receiver.

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  56. Re:Why do you need all those consoles? by Phil+Wilkins · · Score: 1

    Got bicycle, am fit, got wife, been outside, just came back from a long walk, now I intend to sit down for a bit, and rescue that goddamn princess again.

  57. Wire ties by WapoStyle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I got some hair rubber bands, pulled the entertainment center out so I could get behind it and wrapped the cables up and tied them to the exact length they needed to be to reach from the console to the TV, or console to outlet. It's not exactly a techy way to do it, but it sure looks a lot nicer than before. As for controller cables, GameCube is easy. Wavebirds are awesome, get them. As for PS2 and Xbox, I know logitech makes a decent wireless pad for the PS2, but they are very expensive at $60 a pop. I don't have an Xbox so I'm not sure if anyone is making decent wireless controllers for it.

  58. The only real solution.... by perf_monkey · · Score: 1

    Build another room for all of your stuff. I have a dedicated game room...it is sometimes also called my bedroom but there really isn't much point in sleeping if you have 3+ game consoles.

  59. Use the Xbox to emulate the classic consoles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use the Hacked Xbox to emulate the classic consoles. You can get an emulator for allmost all of the consoles up to the previous generation. That will greatly clean up the place.

    For me I dont need to keep my nintendo, snes, Turbo Graphics 16, GBA, N64, atari, and 100 arcade machines in the living room. :)

    1. Re:Use the Xbox to emulate the classic consoles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But then, when you buy a new game for any of those systems, you have to go through the trouble of dumping the fair use copy by yourself, and then loading it onto the Xbox.

      Oh, you're not buying those games? And for those games that you do own, you're downloading copies of these games instead of duplicating them yourself? Well then,unless you're tlaking about original game CDs for CD-based systems, you're pirating, in which case your solution works fine.

  60. Muti Console Controller by Zevets · · Score: 1

    My friend has a multiconsole controller, that is essentiall a PS2 controller except it has a cord that splits up into three(PS2, GC, XBOX) at the end. Unfortunatly I do not know the name, but they exist. He said the controller was pricey, and I believe it costs $40 online to $50 in a store.

    Otherwise go wireless, as countless others have suggested.

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  61. I exceeded the run-length of S-Video... by Kris_J · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Three switching boxes with a couple of meters of cable between them, the consoles and the TV do not a signal make.

    I have approximately 12 different working consoles that I'd like to have hooked up. Switching boxes and a couple of nice deep TV cabinets will mostly do it for you, but I had to settle on four hooked up to the TV plus the Dreamcast and PC hooked up to a VGA monitor after Matrix Reloaded looked awfully green and dull due to about 8m of cable and two swtiching boxes between my PS2 and my TV.

    As for controllers, I have one for each console usually sitting on top of the console itself while not being used. I disagree with the "pack everything away" approach, as you spend more time going in an out of drawers. Also, if you don't play one particular console for a while, you lose the controllers.

    Anyway, my current setup isn't ideal, but given my limited space I don't mind it so much.

  62. Drawers by Jebediah21 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My solution would be to get one of those four drawer wheeled contraptions at Target or wherever. Put one console and controllers / accessories in each drawer. Put a hole in the back of the drawer for any cables that need to reach the TV / net / power. Open the drawer when playing a game, close it when your done. Outside of the drawers use cable ties to keep things tidy.

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  63. Forget cordless controllers.... by SamSim · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...when is someone going to come up with a tidier solution around behind the console stack? What I want is a kind of wireless solution - you get a matched pair of modules, each at most one inch cubed; one plugs into the back of your console, the other into the back of your televison/switchbox/whatever. You get a set of these instead of a cable with every new console you buy, and can choose whatever of the many styles of output connector you want... and maybe you'd be able to tune them using a set of tiny digital switches (not an analogue dial of course)... and that way, there are NO WIRES AT ALL (except for power). Would it be so hard? You could even bring out the equivalent of ordinary SCART cables (or whatever) along those lines, and use them for your bog-standard television signal, or TV-to-VCR connections. It'd be amazing!

    1. Re:Forget cordless controllers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Link sys is workin on it... http://www.linksys.com/press/press.asp?prid=139

  64. Re:Why do you need all those consoles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry Phil, but the Princess is in another castle.

  65. just a thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What i'v found to be the best way to keep the mess down is.... ziploc bags. One cord per bag its just that simple

  66. Re:Simple... by dave1212 · · Score: 1

    Making you a /. friend, as I grew up in Ottawa. Cheers, go Sens!

  67. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Usually I would not respond to an article like this.

    Then why the hell did you this time besides to:

    1. Stir some shit up in a discussion where you had no real point in posting

    or

    2. Open your mouth and remove all doubt that you're an asshole?

    The reality would seem that both of those are related. You must be one sorry little bastard, because you know, the SMART people in life keep their mouths shut when opening them would remove all doubt and don't have to go around bragging randomly that they have a girlfriend or boyfriend as the case may be to people who you don't know and most likely don't give a shit to know you.