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iRiver Announces 40G Player & Previews 2004 Line
slavitos writes: "Just as we've finished our discussions of OGG support in iRiver players, the company has announced it will soon release a 40G HD player. According to
this source, the new model will differ slightly from the previous 20G one - for example, the 40G player will be 3 mm thicker and 12 grams heavier. The cost of the device has not yet been determined." While we're on the topic of iRiver, thopo notes: "iRiver presented their new products coming spring 2004, here are pictures from the show, including pictures (and specs) of all new models. Especially noteworthy is the IHP-300 which comes with a 2" color TFT LCD and a very classy design. This thing got 'iPod Killer' written all over it." The page is in Korean, but most of the product descriptions in the pictures are in English.
How will this kill the Ipod without Itunes... IIRC Itunes only supports the Ipod.. Or does the Iriver have RTunes?
Food not Bombs is a nice platitude but it breaks down when you notice that the Bombees are usually well fed
The 40 GB iHP-140 is described in English on their Northern Europe website. You have to click on the English flag in the upper right corner.
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and I don't see "i-pod killer" written anywhere on it, much less all over it.
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It sucks that I still won't be able to sync it to my iTunes music library.
I wonder how the price will compete with the iPod Mini.
If Apple is so pro-open source, when are they going to add Ogg Vorbis to the iPod?
the new model will differ slightly from the previous 20G one - for example, the 40G player will be 3 mm thicker and 12 grams heavier.
and have a 40G drive instead of a 20G?
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
At 40GB, why the heck doesn't this thing not only have ogg and mp3 support, but also a few RCA jacks and support a few video codecs? They're licensing WMA anyways, so they could at least use WMV, in addition to all the open MPEG and OGM formats.
40GB is roughly three weeks worth of MP3s, and most people outside of hardcore music enthusiasts will never accumulate nearly that many, and no one but semi-truckers would need to take that much with them. Video would be a very necessary complement to justify that much of an increase in storage space.
maybe when they have the marketing power of Apple, this thing will become an Ipod Killer. Until then, i wouldnt hold my breath.
I think the ability to upgrade by tossing new backpacks (which granted they have been slow to release) onto a player as an ability to upgrade storage makes the Neuros much more attractive than the iRiver.
Be nice if there was a no-HDD included version; standard size 2.5 inch disks can be had mailorder for cheaper than the difference in the various models' prices. All mp3 makers are guilty of this. Of course, that would cut into their nice margins on the high capacity models so we won't see it. sigh
Its cheaper, but not quite as good looking or easy to use as the iPod...as an mp3 player
The killer feature for the new iRiver devices is the recording ability. iPod and a handful of other devices can record voice at a low bitrate.
The iRiver (IHP-120 and i am assuming the new models) can record from a digital input or microphone into a high quality mp3 or wav file.
So in addition to being a decent mp3 platform, it could also stand to replace portable MD and DAT recorders. This is a great thing for musicians and bootleggers. While the onboard mic-preamp isn't the best in the world, it appears to be from what Ive read, suitable for most applications.
Alpine has announced that they will demonstrating at CES the first solution that allows users to connect/control their iPod through their in-car system. They'll be able to view playlist, artists, songs, etc. through the Alpine's receiver buttons. And the connector will also charge the iPod. To get more info, write to ipodready@alpine-usa.com.
the words "here are the pictures" and slashdot should never go together. We all know it never works out in the end.
iTunes claims "over" 500000 songs. Napster claims the same, MusicMatch advertises 360000, and BuyMusic says 327000. How this gives iTunes 10x as many songs as the other three combined is a mystery to me.
Does it require ID3 tags to play and navigate directories of MP3s like the iPOD? Or can I just copy over an artist/album/tracks sorted directory structure and navigate it that way?
Or is it the other way around, I always get confused over stuff like this.
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An imitations walkman that plays excerpts from oog the open source cage man.
What's next? I can see Apple including a color LCD in Ipod2 -- and all will be well again.
;) I would like to see a vendor incorporate the same style mechanisms that Apple used (like the minimalist design that offers a lot of functionality at m fingertips) along with a nice $150 - $250 price tag. That would be cool. So until Apple decides to lower their prices, or a vendor think of an attractive design - this puppy rolls with his CD player.
I, myself do not own an IPod, but I am a man of style and money -- I like style but am low on money
Good day.
There's no mention of the price that it will hit...
Off topic, but I just have to ask:
So far, I've understood most Slashdot trolls, being about gay people of different ethnies, any of the Slashdot crew supposedly doing perverted things or exercising censorship, nazis, fecal matter-related statements of various kinds, things happening to you in soviet russia, ascii drawings, leet talk and even purposedly broken english. Meaning, I understand there nothing to understand beyond the fact that it comes from teenagers, but at least I comprehend the words.
So could someone enlighten me : what the hell is that "on teh spoke" thing ?
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
One of the things that Steve Jobs mentioned in his keynote yesterday before announcing the entirely overpriced iPod Mini is that about 60% of the market is flash players that cost up to $200. 31% of the market is iPods. Approximately 7% of the market is all other non-iPod hard-drive based MP3 players. Nobody knows what an iRiver is. Most people don't CARE what an iRiver is. The iPod name has mindshare right now, and it'll take a lot more than even a massively superior product to dethrone the iPod. If someone wants to make an iPod killer, they have to have iPod killing marketing. Right now, people are using the word 'iPod' like they use 'Xerox' or 'Kleenex', as in "I hear iRiver makes a pretty cool iPod."
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It doesn't matter what it costs, either. The only people following non-iPod HD-based MP3 players are the people here on
http://slushdot.org/mirror/iriver/board.php
Minus all the other crap.
You can't see it right now because of the Slashdot effect, but the PMP-100 is the unit I like. Not just because of the name, it just looks sweeeet. Good-sized display screen, and a 20GB drive, which is easily enough for a decent number of TV episodes / movies.
It does scream out "Portable Porn Device" though.
If I had a dollar for every "iPod killer" that's been announced, I could buy a nice new iPod mini!
I swear I saw this article earlier today, maybe noon EST or so. It was a "mysterious future" article. Then it disappeared. Is there a reason this happens?
I can run Linux on Ipod but will one have the support to house my distro?
make baby jesus cry.
I like the way the iTMS works, but I don't buy much music there, as most of what I want is not on the Big Five. To me, the biggest iPod win is not .m4p (FairPlay burdened AAC) from the Music Store. The big win is the integration between iTunes the music jukebox/ripper/&c. and the iPod. It's seamless; they are really two parts of the same tool.
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Maybe I just need to see it in person, but the photos make it look poorly constructed and cheesy.
The page is in Korean, but most of the product descriptions in the pictures are in English.
Funny, looks like smoke signals from over here.
How will this kill the Ipod without Itunes...
Itunes or not, even Apple have realized that the average Joe doesn't have anywhere near 40 gigs of music.
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Why are they so ugly? The flash memory based models from iRiver look way better. As does the iPod but that's another story.
1. Shuffle still isn't random (just all your tracks in a different order - but always the same order)
2. Doesn't support any type of secure files.
3. DB application can't handle OGG or WMA file tags, so you can only search by Artist/Album/Genre if it's an mp3 file.
4. No on-the-fly playlist ability, and very limited playlist ability at all (only when using the Beta firmware that's been out since November).
It seems that it is you that's hiding... Geez, you've really got some issues, don't you?
I hope they make this one more shock proof, if you wear your ipod on your belt and run with it, it skips after 14 min or so...
Seriously, whats wrong with screws? At least they match the color/finish.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
It appears the first link is dead, here is another one: http://club.iriver.co.kr/column/view.asp?Page=1&Sr chItem=&SrchString=&idx=370
Notice that the IHP-300 supports USB OnTheGo, which probably means you can transfer pics from your cam directly to it via USB cable (no computer involved), that makes also sense considering it has a color TFT screen.
keep it simple.
A 40GB, 1.5" drive?
Damn, I'm getting a chub...
In fact, AAC doesn't really support DRM either. It's a hack using a special stream entity to mark it as encrypted so the player knows to fetch a decryption key (hidden from the user by the firmware/iTunes)
OGG is a container format that has tons of ways to add in custom markings (including arbitrary attribute strings...) one of those could be used in a similar fashion to mark the bitstream as encrypted.
Plus it already plays unencrypted files (the only kind it DOES support is AAC).
So... not a good reason.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
WOOO!
So I'll be sitting in front of a laptop or desktop, probably. And since the drive is like a USB 2.0 removable hard-drive, well, you know, not really an issue. You could even store the Nimo Codec pack, mplayer, or a bootable Movix distro on the drive.
I mean, if it's 40GB, that better be HDTV quality video on there. Otherwise it's a waste.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
Of course it needs to support Ogg...
Steve Jobs's semen is pretty colors? Wacky.
The 20GB player. Here is super-quick review from a professional audio engineer (me).
Pros:
- The output sound is tight, crisp and full-bodied. The level is clean and hot, just the way I like it.
- Plug-N-Play. No drivers, no nothing. Plug the USB cable and it shows up as a HD. Organize files however you like. By ID or standard directory structure.
- The remote has its own tiny LCD dispay. Very cool.
- USB 2.0 file transfer if very fast. I did 12GB while I ate a bowl of cereal.
- Transfer & store any type of file
- Its supports more codecs than I'll ever use.
- OGG support. No DRM
- Digital In and Out!
- Analog In and Out!
- Records to WAV and MP3
- FM Radio!
- Internal Microphone
- External Mic jack (mic included)
- Firmware upgradable
- Quiet and fast
- Its packaged with a real leather case and all the cables and adapters you'll ever need.
Cons:
- The GUI could use some work
- The Joystick can be a pain
- Navigation can be rough
- Issues with Recording time limitations
Its looks like the software faults can and will be upgraded through the firmware.
Overall a great little package. Its not as slick as the iPod. But for less than the 20GB iPod I get a ton of more features.
I've noticed that problem with a few bands, but most of the music I've looked at is complete. One artist I like (Barenaked Ladies) you could even buy the full CD of songs a week before the real CD was released in stores!
I would submit a request for that particular song to the iTunes request section, they really do pay attention to that as whole artists and songs I've asked for have appeared.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I run with mine sometimes, and hike, and keep it in a bumpy car. It has never skipped, not after 14 minutes, not after four hours.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I have heard that the cost of flash memory will soon rapidly decline -- where are the 2 GB flash players? I don't want to carry around a hard disk as it has too many moving parts.
anata sekai o kakumei surush ga nai deshou? Anata no susumu michi wa yoi shite arimasu.
While everyone wants an Ogg playing alternative, why doesn't anyone help out the Linux on iPod team who is poting Linux to the iPod?s ourceforge.net/projects/ipodlinux/
http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/
http://
Or if you think it is stupid to do Linux, do NetBSD or something. It is a high quality piece of hard ware, made to deliver decent sound (no audiophile but...) and the fact is they pay of an OS, VERY small HD, and more.
Is there anything better than clicking through Microsoft ads on Slashdot?
How can people buy ipods as a result when there is no ability to play the Ogg format?
I may not have a math degree, but if the low end iRiver is more than the 40 Gig iPod, I really don't understand "cheaper".
Of course, the Swedish price may not hold and may be artificially high at this point, but that's the only info I have to go on to gauge price. The built-in FM tuner is kind of cool. Looks like a freaking gadget hell though. The iPod is designed a lot nicer IMHO.
Umm, sorry. The Creative Nomad Jukebox 3 has been able to record with high quality line-in for quite some time. In fact, the Nomad Jukebox has the added feature of being able to record straight to WAV files without being degraded by an MP3 encoder. The iRiver, and most other devices, seem to lack this feature. THIS feature is what audio snobs demand, and anything that would replace a DAT recorder is going to have to do at least 44kHz lossless recording.
However, the iRiver has a sweet form factor, and it looks like it has more intelligent features like the ability to act as an external hard drive, something the Nomad lacks.
I see it for $359 by searching on Amazon, I'd say the swedish price is completely goofed at this point.
- ...
- Record From Microphone/Dictaphone to MP3
- Real Time MP3 Encoding
Sounds like this would be very useful for high quality recording of live events, such as concerts. It is small enough to bring (or sneak) into the venue, and able to record high-quality"The new iHP-140 - bringing bootlegging to a higher level!"
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I am no huge propenant of "why can't we all get along", but whenever i see another compnay come out with any sort of decent product, my first thought is not "oh this will knock xyz product from the top spot" but "oh good, now xyz product is also going to have to improve".
This is how our market works (overly simplified, yes). If there was no competition, you would have no reason to improve your product, whatever you came out with would be the only choice.
So instead of constantly assuming something is going to "kill" another product. Just buy the one you like, that has the features you need, make the trade off for the features the other has that the one you are buying doesn't. Most importantly, realize, that once a product has a significant market share, and backing by the company that makes it (a nod to netscape here) it is not going away.
Just keep hoping that there IS someone to compete with apple for the hard drive mp3 market, because if not, then Apple will truly become the "microsoft of music" with all the problems attached to that.
If you are one in a million, then there are six thousand people who are just like you.
It "lets" you use the Alpine stereo interface instead of the highly-praised iPod interface.
It 'lets' you control your music by reaching over to the car stereo instead of tapping buttons on the handheld ergonomic iPod.
It lets you connect a hardwire instead of transmitting wirelessly.
Hmmmm....
I dunno, just seems like more marketing than utility coming from Alpine. Good for Apple probably.
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Since it can play ogg and even encoude audio, it must have more powerful hardware than the iPod. How does this affect the battery, and does the player get hot?
And why can't they hire a competant deigner. it's so damn ugly. As much as i love Apple, they would make even better players if they had competition.
their own website says that it has a 4-line display...then later says that you can read .txt files on it's 8-line display. so, how many is it? you would think that they could get the specs right on their own page.
otherwise, looks pretty spiffy.
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"OGG" is incorrect. The correct capitalization is "Ogg." More info at the official Vorbis news page and the associated Ogg Traffic:
True story.
Why do all manufacturers stick to cd-only ? Ihave been looking for ages for a portable mp3 player that supports dvdr as playback media, without all the extras as movie playback/lcd screen. I currently own a Rio sp-250 mp3 cd player, and i'm just waiting for that to upgrade to something newer. Cds simply are too small t fit all I want to listen to. Anyway just my 2 cents.
Gimme.
Ita erat quando hic adveni.
Are you trying to imply its easier to pick up an iPod and operate it's tiny buttons without looking at the screen, than it is to reach over to a deck that is positioned *for the purpose* of the driver to operate it?
Or are you saying you'd pick up the iPod and look at it while driving?
I'd guess the latter. It's you people that are the cause of most accidents nowadays.
believe you me, watching DivX movies on my palm with its 480x320 screen is annoyingly small, but on a 2" screen, your just asking for it.
First off, let me say I have really enjoyed iTMS and have bought a few hundred songs (to add to our collection of ~400CDs I ripped a few years back) since it began -- a mix of full albums (great old blues artists for example) and singles and one-hit wonders from albums I once owned but *lost/had stolen* many years ago in college. GRRRRR
Anyways, I was thinking recently that the reason there are missing tracks on many available albums might be an attempt to discourage the distribution of purchased music through unsavoury channels...
Rather, we all know that CDDB uses a rather arcane method of identifying a CD -- there is no mechanism for ID'ing a CD built into the disc itself -- CDDB looks at the 'fingerprint' of the disc(the order and length of the tracks) to divine the identity of the disc...
We also know that iTMS allows purchased music to be shared only as a redbook-type CD -- and that CD can then be re-imported as an MP3/MP4 etc...but it loses the id3 info that way because without the original albums 'fingerprint' CDDB cannot identify the newly burned album with the *missing* track(s).
In essence, by witholding a track here and a track there, they are able to limit the ease of distributing purchased iTMS music.
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Then you explain why they own the high end of the MP3 player market.
There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
Marketing.
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I guess you've never been on a real hike then, which can be far more brutal than running as far as shocks to equipment. And I'm quite sure your worst jogging is far less worse than a spors car with a stiff suspension on washboard gravel road for two hours straight. At least I know the CD player cannot handle the first few seconds of that before giving up.
Please do feel free to provide us all with a link about how it sucks for jogging, since it is "All over the web".
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
i am sorry, perhaps you are unfamiliar with how the hard drive works, you see, if you had constant shaking, something where the buffer didnt have time to be filled back up it skips. this prolly wont happen on a hike, or in a car, or even hitting it with a baseball bat (provided it doesn't break) because there are small pauses. where as when you have a giant athlete like me sprinting down the road, its a constant force shaking the ipod. here is ONE link, but you can see others like it on epinions, and ipodlounge.com http://www.epinions.com/content_107354689156/show_ ~allcom/pp_~2
hope this helps, and look, im not putting apple down, i love apple, i have a mac, and it was the best mp3 player at the time to buy, but it needs major improvement, and has no room in a serious sprinters gym bag.
1) Their online store/retail chain is easy to navigate.
2) Their product works well and looks nice.
3) Their product's software interface works well and looks nice.
4) Their jukebox software works well and looks nice.
I think their competitors (Archos, Rio, iRiver, and Nomad?) all fail on 1. Nomad passes 2. Archos passes 3. None of their competitors pass on 4.
Name a competitor that people should be confident will fulfill all these goals, with this caveat: You're not allowed to do any research.
See, that's proof that their marketting is good. But I really honestly feel like they're the only ones with a decent product in this market segment, even after doing some research. It must be all the TV I'm not watching.
There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
I'm telling you that in well over two hours of very constant and rough shaking on rought dirt roads I've not had it skip. Yes I know how HD's work, but with smaller HD's you also need more force for the head to actually hit the platter. And the iPod is not often going to the HD having quite a bit of temporary RAM.
I don't believe it's actually possible for it to skip unless the HD hits the platter, which would destroy the device - it would re-try if it didn't get the sector it wanted. If the user can still play those songs then no skipping is at work. I would tend to believe the other posters in the link you posted to that it was either the original user was trying to play something beyond the capacity of the computing power onboard the the iPod. Frankly though the poster on that link you gave sounded rather like a troll.
Have you really tried it yourself? I am pretty sure it would work from past experience.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Hmmm,
I have an Alpine CD deck that does MP3/WMA. I have an Ipod.
I also have a little remote that sits on the side of me when I drive that lets me tune through the controls without the eyes leaving the road. Only a few buttons, and one I can see whats on the screen.
I could reach over and use the Ipod controls. But wait, why not just use the IR remote that Alpine has been including with all systems for the past two years?
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YAiK = Yet Another iPod Killer
Seems to me that we get another iPod killer once every couple of weeks, so I figure that we needed an acronym for it.
I don't feel that I have to name a competitor.
A competitor will name itself sometime in the next year. It might be iRiver, it might be somebody else. Hell, it might be Sony. They have the manufacturing capacity to eat Apple's lunch if they want to. And in spite of all the hype and hoo-ah, there isn't that much to the 'design' or 'interface' that a cloner can't pump out pretty fast. There are definitely multiple teams working on it.
'this market segment' itself might wither and die. It certainly will if they expect Joe Sixpack to pay $200-400 for a basic playback device. Right now the early-adopter elite are 'the market' and that can't last.
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I see visible screws on the bottom.
Yes, god forbid I ever want to change the battery in my ihp-120, I will be able to do it myself, without damaging the case. Besides, they're nice-looking, recessed, torx screws.
Life is too short to proofread.
You were probably probably thinking of the supply problems at Xmas. That was because no one predicted that iPod would be *the* present of Xmas '03. Supply problems hit any company that becomes the must have Xmas gift. Still it's a nice problem to have!
These devices don't integrate into any software, be it iTunes, Musicmatch, RealOne, Windows Media Player, or whatever. ....These devices don't integrate into any software, be it iTunes, Musicmatch, RealOne, Windows Media Player, or whatever.
Oh come on. You plug it in. It shows up as a drive. You drag files to it. You unplug it. You press play. The filesystem is not proprietary. I'm am connected to it (ihp-120) right now with my Linux box.
You're telling that's harder than setting up Musicmatch or Realone?
Life is too short to proofread.
anyone who buys a mp3 player is wasting their money now. Sony announched Hi-MD.
MD was awesome technology years ago.....except Sony crippled it.
Sony still cripples their NetMD devices (no high-speed transfer from the device).
Enjoy your wait for Sony's newest crippled MD product.
I'll be enjoying my ability to copy both to and FROM my ihp-120 as a standard USB mass storage device.
Life is too short to proofread.
And in spite of all the hype and hoo-ah, there isn't that much to the 'design' or 'interface' that a cloner can't pump out pretty fast.
I agree completely. It's still not accurate to say that the reason they're winning with the iPod is "marketing" right now.
There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
This looks really tempting, especially with the Ogg support, but I just hope they'll support Macs. Currently, the iHP-120 only has limited Mac support:
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MD was good technology. What crippled it was just bad marketing in the US. (Replacement for CDs ... uh no) Anyone who owned MD players would not call the actual hardware crippled by any means, it just got bad vibes from advertising it as something it obviously was not. But in Asia, MDs took off. I agree, NetMD is blah.
Hi-MD will allow copying both to and from using USB. .doc, .jpeg, etc. files will be able to be burned to a disc.
Some pluses for Hi-MD:
1. recording--whether it be concerts or lectures
2. lack of dependence on PC--you can modernize your entire vinyl, tape etc. collection bypassing the PC middleman
3. Battery life--I don't care if you can hold 10,000 mp3s if your battery dies before you play 50 of them
4. Multiple sources--leave a third of your Hi-MDs in your home unit, a third with your portable and a third in your car
5. Dependable--hard drives crash, I've never seen a MD crash
6. Price--you will be able to get an introductory model for $200, that price will only go down with time
that's all I can think of atm
Anyone who owned MD players would not call the actual hardware crippled by any means, it just got bad vibes from advertising it as something it obviously was not.
I have owned MD hardware. It is crippled, deliberately by Sony. Try making a digital copy of an MD created from a digtal source to see what I mean.
1. recording--whether it be concerts or lectures
just recorded a lecture with my ihp-120 today
2. lack of dependence on PC
I have line-in, line-out, fiber-in, fiber-out. A PC makes management much easier, which is something the orignal md players desperately needed. Titleing things was a nightmare.
3. Battery life
16 hours
Your other points are somewhat valid, but I think Sony's missed the boat. Minidisc could have been awesome, *should* have been awesome. Sony killed it. They have internal conflicts of interest being both a hardware company and a record label. I think Minidisc would have made a great replacement for floppy disc drives years ago. Now, between cornice drives, flash ram, dvd-r's and laptop drives, there's not much room for Sony's proprietary format.
I'm sure MD will be around for quite a while as it's developed quite a loyal following, but I don't expect it's market to expand at all.
Life is too short to proofread.
I have owned MD hardware. It is crippled, deliberately by Sony. Try making a digital copy of an MD created from a digtal source to see what I mean. You have to stop it somewhere. It really isn't to much to ask that you own the original digital source if you are making copies (or at least, can getyour hands on it ;))
just recorded a lecture with my ihp-120 today
I haven't read much about your player... does it have a mic in or built in mic? A lot of people will want to use a good mic. Does it record in mp3? Again, most people will want their original source to be of a higher quality.
I have line-in, line-out, fiber-in, fiber-out. A PC makes management much easier, which is something the orignal md players desperately needed. Titleing things was a nightmare.
I was considering getting into the harddrive mp3 player market. Those a definitely nice features. But I'm going to wait till April now :) The last time I looked at mp3 players, you couldn't delete/rename/divide tracks easily on the unit itself. I think the true test for these Hi-MDs is how well you will be able to negotiate the tracks on the actual unit. Hopefully it will allow some sort of grouping system.
16 hours
I haven't seen any numbers for the new portables but old MD recorders were about 3 times that. Players even more-- topping out over 100hours.
This Hi-MD is a big jump. Way bigger then MDLP or NetMD was. IMHO, Sony has given it a second chance, personally I think they will learn from their mistakes from the first round.
40 Gb - 20 Gb = 20 Gb = 21474836480 bytes
12 gr / 21474836480 bytes = 55,88 pico grammes
amazing...
Mark
Pity it's not a DVD player as I stack 8 odd movies onto one disk - but if it works, it's quite some piece of kit.
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for every device that was declared an iPod killer and didn't sell remotely as much as the iPod, I could handily buy an iPod. If only the overpriced iPod jr. that probably will outsell this killer.
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You have to stop it somewhere. It really isn't to much to ask that you own the original digital source if you are making copies (or at least, can getyour hands on it ;)
Minidisc doesn't know if you "own" the source or not. It just assumes that if it's digital, you shouldn't be able to copy it. That is stupid, and a real pain is the ass for musicians.
My iriver will record from line-in, mic-in, internal mic, or fiber-in to either mp3 or wav.
iI haven't seen any numbers for the new portables but old MD recorders were about 3 times that. Players even more-- topping out over 100hours.
Neither my minidisc, nor my gf's have ever gotten anywhere near that amount of time, especially when recording. Does yours run off D batteries or something?
As far as the delete/rename/divide tracks things, that's true at least for my unit. Minidisc did get that right. It's not something I'm too worried about it though. I wouldn't be suprised if a firmware upgrade makes that possible.
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Best Buy sells iRiver products - it's amazing because I've never seen one on the shelf there. They get sold basically as soon as they are received at the stores.
I have had a '395 for a year now and I'm amazed at how many people recognize it (it was a bitch to get, by the way). It is by far the best of the three MP3 players I've ever owned.
I've always felt that iRiver's biggest problem was production; it would be interesting to see how popular they would be if they had the manufacturing resources of Apple.
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Europe has sales tax, usually around 19%. 20GB iPod is EUR 449,00. The 20GB iRiver is EUR 448,00. (Comparing the 20GB versions, since most online stores don't have the 40GB iRiver yet.)
5.495 Kr = 603.02 EUR, the 40GB iPod is EUR 548,99.
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Try teaching your parents how to aquire digital music and then transfer it over to an iRiver device, then report back your findings regarding ease of use.
If someone's spending $400 on an mp3 player, they already have some mp3's or a good idea where to get them. It's a given.
Then all they need to do is drag the files to the drive.
If someone want's to copy a playlist to it, they just drag a winamp playlist onto it.
Perhaps you're asking about support for copying a playlist AND it's assosciated files?
These things are 20GB+! You just copy all your files onto it and leave them there.
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Apple doesn't have anything even close to the distribution channels that a company like Sony has.
Or even Samsung.
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Make your mind up. It was manufacture you were talking about. If you are going for the full picture, the major difference between Sony and Apple is that Apple is currently a rising star, and Sony is a falling one.
Apple is a midget who is reaching up.
Sony is a giant bending down.
Or whatever, maan.
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