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Internet Users Are More Social Than Non-Users

FePe writes "The UCLA World Internet Project has concluded from a study that Internet users spend more time on social activites than non-users. Many other interesting facts can be seen on the page. For example, in the United States 73.1 percent of men use the Internet compared to 69 percent of woman." Also interesting is how net users watch less television than their offline counterparts. Update: 01/16 03:46 GMT by M : Yep, pretty much the same story as yesterday. To be fair, Cowboyneal did say it was news to him. :)

196 comments

  1. Oh my by iswm · · Score: 3, Funny

    How delightfully ironic.

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    Buckethead
    1. Re:Oh my by maladroit · · Score: 2, Funny
      from the news-to-me dept.

      Gotta love it ....

    2. Re:Oh my by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Statistically-speaking, a four point difference in a study isn't enough to account for error. This means the numbers are virtually identical.

    3. Re:Oh my by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Funny
      from the news-to-me dept.

      Perhaps if he'd read the story when it was posted yesterday it wouldn't be.

    4. Re:Oh my by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I were Cowboy Neal, I wouldnt read this horseshit site either.

    5. Re:Oh my by Peeet · · Score: 1

      Y'know, I didn't see yesterday's story, so I for one am glad for dupes, sometimes it helps people see stories that they miss.

      -P

    6. Re:Oh my by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Y'know, I didn't see yesterday's story, so I for one am glad for dupes, sometimes it helps people see stories that they miss.

      So look at the "Older Stuff" panel prominently placed on the front page. If I've been too busy to waste time here I generally skim through those when I come back. Besides which this story was hardly newsworthy the first time around.

    7. Re:Oh my by mwood · · Score: 1

      Hoho. Of course *we* all knew that, but now it's been blessed by science. Good news.

      How many conversations have *you* had, or how many alarmist articles have you read, which basically boiled down to, "how can you spend hours playing with that email stuff instead of interacting with *people*?" :-O It's like there's a sizable group of humans with a cognitive deficit which leaves them incapable of believing in the reality of anyone not physically present. Scary.

  2. DUPE! by herrvinny · · Score: 3, Informative
    1. Re:DUPE! by fliptout · · Score: 0, Redundant

      And slashdot editors are paid for what? Seriously.

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    2. Re:DUPE! by Adam9 · · Score: 4, Funny

      The editors were too busy having a social life perhaps? ;)

    3. Re:DUPE! by Squirrley · · Score: 0

      are they paid?

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    4. Re:DUPE! by t0ny · · Score: 1

      Just when people were starting to believe the mods werent total and complete idiots (ya, right), they go and screw it up.

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    5. Re:DUPE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Informative? Who's the genius who modded this one up?

  3. online dating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Its because of the online dating sites, obviously.

  4. Social user here! by meta-monkey · · Score: 0, Redundant

    As a matter of fact, I'm such a social Internet user, that ten minutes I emailed cowboy neal to tell him that this story is a dupe! Of course it somehow made it out of the Mysterious Future anyway. Great job, Cowboy Neal!!

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    1. Re:Social user here! by jargoone · · Score: 1

      The link says something like "See any serious problems with this story? Email our on duty editor." Apparently they have a different idea of "serious problem". That, or the story queue is like the bases on Alien(s?). There's a time limit, after which you can't cancel the story.

  5. 'course! by pumpknhd · · Score: 5, Funny

    What are they thinking? That we just sit around and read /. all day?

    1. Re:'course! by fuzzbot77 · · Score: 2, Funny

      don't you ? :)

    2. Re:'course! by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      Clearly the /. editors don't.... DUPE!

    3. Re:'course! by GCP · · Score: 2, Funny

      Apparently Cowboy Neal doesn't waste a lot of time reading Slashdot.

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  6. And they often do copy themself by TheSunborn · · Score: 1

    And they do often copy themself because it is so easy to do online

  7. Spend more time on the internet, Cowboy! by mekkab · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Then you might spot the dupes before they happen!
    Or get enough friends to back you up when you dupe!

    --
    In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
  8. Internet users also have worse memory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
  9. Of Course... by SpiritualRemains · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course there's more men on the internet than women. There's more male oriented porn than female oriented porn out there.

    SR.

    1. Re:Of Course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure thats a cause and not an effect?

    2. Re:Of Course... by AEton · · Score: 1

      I just heard NPR reporting on this UCLA study tonight. (Ha! Slashdot beat NPR by a day!) The researchers they interviewed took an interesting look at the results; by focusing on cross-cultural similarities, they found that almost everywhere there was a gender gap, 8% on average, in favor of men using the Internet. What that has to say about a patriarchal technological world and the increased male access to or fascination with technology, we should leave to the radical feminists - but it was a remarkable result.

      This probably goes for nations where porn is illegal and therefore not the main purpose (object, I should say, in keeping with its association with 'objectification') of one's Internet use. Wait, what am I saying? When does that happen?

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    3. Re:Of Course... by agent+dero · · Score: 2, Funny

      maybe because more men life pr0n, myself included.

      I've only met a couple of women EVER that were into pr0n, well, actual women, not those "online women" ::cough::nerds faking it::cough::

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    4. Re:Of Course... by denks · · Score: 1

      I thought they had done studies showing that women online were actually more likely to look at porn than males. Dont have any links unfortunately

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    5. Re:Of Course... by TheAntiCrust · · Score: 1

      I knew a girl who liked to come over to my house and watch lesbian porn with me. I wish I still knew her =/

    6. Re:Of Course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Female orientated porn? The hell is that? The Lifetime channel?

    7. Re:Of Course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Speaking of, how is your mother?

      *rimshot*

    8. Re:Of Course... by darxyde · · Score: 1, Funny

      The internet would be of only passing interest to most (non-academic) men if otherwise.

      Exploring ones depravities in a (semi) anonymous environment sure beats the hell out of making your perversions known to the local Adult Shop attendant.

      "erm.. yes, i'd like to see your collection of Japanese midget amputee shizer movies please. yes, the ones with the well-hung diarrhetic farm animals..."

      Yes. well. you get the picture.

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    9. Re:Of Course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Female orientated porn? The hell is that? The Lifetime channel?

      Let me explain. You know how you're watching a porn movie, and they're totally zoomed in on a pussy shot, and suddenly your view gets blocked by a large cock? Totally gay, right? Ruins the experience, right? Imagine you were a woman, and you constantly got those pussy shots while you wanted to see some cock.

      I never got the point behind regular (one guy, one girl) porn movies. Like I really want to see another guy get laid. Give me lesbian spank inferno any day of the week, thank you very much.

    10. Re:Of Course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me explain. You know how you're watching a porn movie, and they're totally zoomed in on a pussy shot, and suddenly your view gets blocked by a large cock? Totally gay, right? Ruins the experience, right?

      Let me get this straight. The sight of a cock immediately renders something gay? So, are we gay when we take a piss? Or how about masturbating? Or even if we're having a threesome with a pair of cheerleaders?

      This is troubling, indeed. I never knew I was gay until now. :(

  10. ha ha by wwest4 · · Score: 2, Funny

    news-to-me dept.

    holy double entendre batman.

    1. Re:ha ha by 1lus10n · · Score: 1

      i think i have seen a new slashdot ism being born before my very eyes ......

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    2. Re:ha ha by fraudrogic · · Score: 1

      According to this a double entendre is sexual in nature.
      So was this a Freudian Slip? Are you experiencing sexual feelings for Cowboy Neal?

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    3. Re:ha ha by wwest4 · · Score: 1

      maybe the original one.

  11. w417.... by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 3, Funny

    Social != Taking showers

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    True story.
  12. Why is this a shock? by BoldAC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Like we come here for the articles?!?!

    We all come here to socialize and share ideas.

    Yes, even the trolls.

    This is social.

    Sure I go out with friends and family several times per week... but this is a form of socialization as well.

    We all need a little geek "fix" every once in a while.

    No shock here.

    AC

    1. Re:Why is this a shock? by PateraSilk · · Score: 1
      We all need a little geek "fix" every once in a while.

      Allelujia, brother.

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    2. Re:Why is this a shock? by asparagus · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's just how it started...I needed a little 'geek' fix now and then. And then a little became more and more, till now a little ain't a little no mo'.

      But it's all good. My friend Randy says he's going to show me something called 'crack'. He says it's a thousand times better than the internet. I told him he's never visited stileproject. I'll be back soon with the results.

    3. Re:Why is this a shock? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Yes, even the trolls.

      BWAAHAHAHAH *blows nose* I LOVE YOU TOO AC!! I will scream it from the top of the montains!

      "Yes! Say it! AC vas my boyvriend!"
      -Young Frankenstein

  13. no we are not by Triumph+The+Insult+C · · Score: 2, Funny

    i am an internet user and i am not social

    so, that study is wrong

    slashdot editors, please remove that misleading title. it might make people think this is a reliable source of info

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  14. What kind of social activities? by Ignorant+Aardvark · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Online people may spend more overall time in "social activities" - but a lot of these social activities probably don't really count. Is someone who spends 6 hours a week in a chat room socially better off than someone who spends 5 hours a week hanging out with friends at a mall?

    Another point to mention: I watch TV at least as many hours as I am on my computer. Why? All of the rooms that I have computers in also have TVs in them, and I always have a TV on in the background when I'm on the computer.

    1. Re:What kind of social activities? by Fweeky · · Score: 1
      Is someone who spends 6 hours a week in a chat room socially better off than someone who spends 5 hours a week hanging out with friends at a mall?

      I work on a computer most of the day; as luck would have it, I can sit on IRC at the same time and talk to most of my friends. I can feed my desire for meaningless chatter, intelligent conversation, gain sympathy and respect, get support when I'm feeling down, share (often deeply personal) problems and do the same for others. Much of this in time where other forms of social interaction are either much less significant or just unavailable.

      Maybe if I only spent a few hours a week on IRC it would be less rewarding, but as it is I can fit in hours a day easily. It spills out into real life too, and that's a whole bunch of real life friends I wouldn't have otherwise. Not bad for something that I can fit into short breaks working which would otherwise be spent staring into space, eating junk, mindlessly reloading /., etc.
    2. Re:What kind of social activities? by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1
      Online people may spend more overall time in "social activities" - but a lot of these social activities probably don't really count... It would appear, perhaps due to some insecurity in my brain, that you are implying that one form of socializing is better than another, I guess the implication being chat rooms are inferior than malls.

      As a married person, I am often compelled to leave my dungeon to socialize with our friends. Usually one of these destinations are chosen: movies, bowling (yeah really), local outlet mall or a bar/club. Most of these activities, if done with enough zeal to make them fun, usually detract from actual social interaction. In fact some activities (noteably movies and clubs) are very hostile environments to trying to communicate.

      Yet while I may be playing everquest on 2 machines simultaneously, have IRC running on a 3rd, some work project running on a 4th, my wife and 2 cats constantly interrupting, I think I know and understand my internet friends far better than anyone "in the real world". Our conversations are far more productive in most senses of the word, we've kept coming back to the same place for 7 years. Sometimes our conversations are more intellectual, sometimes they're more supportive or informative, sometimes they're about paris hilton's latest slutcapade...but I think they're free of the usual social self-conciousness that seems to lurk amongst "real life encounters", and the message always gets across.

      I think to get away with that statement you bear the burden of proof on a number of things: that socialization is actually healty and beneficial (I'm not there yet), what level of socialization is healthy and beneficial, what defines socialization (and quality). To my hard science directed brain, this whole line of thinking (article included) is bunk, I have a hard time finding value in all sociological pursuits and even most psychological pursuits. I entertain it because many believe in this in the same way that others believe in God. I don't understand it, but it may be worth it to try occasionally. I get angry though when I detect that perhaps I'm the victim of a backhanded compliment, which is often the case of sociological surveys.

    3. Re:What kind of social activities? by weileong · · Score: 1

      I work on a computer most of the day; as luck would have it, I can sit on IRC at the same time

      Does your boss know? :-)

      I'd worry about your productivity!

    4. Re:What kind of social activities? by crabpeople · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Online people may spend more overall time in "social activities" - but a lot of these social activities probably don't really count. Is someone who spends 6 hours a week in a chat room socially better off than someone who spends 5 hours a week hanging out with friends at a mall?"

      um yes, yes they are. Do you live in suburbia or something? who hangs out at malls?!? you like rampent consumerism, advertising, unwashed masses and zombies?

      "Another point to mention: I watch TV at least as many hours as I am on my computer. Why? All of the rooms that I have computers in also have TVs in them, and I always have a TV on in the background when I'm on the computer."

      isnt that great your majesty. listening to tv is not the same as watching it. the aricle is trying to make a point that the majority of internet users aren't social outcasts who sit around watching tv or hanging out at the mall.

      it didnt say all users so i think your safe.

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    5. Re:What kind of social activities? by mwood · · Score: 1

      Always remember that there is a person in the "real world" at the other end of that packet stream.

    6. Re:What kind of social activities? by jafuser · · Score: 1

      I'd have to guess that people who are hooked on MMOs probably account for contributing a lot to these kind of statistics. Instead of going home and watching TV, they get right online and spend the next 8+ hours socializing

      That's got to add a little bit to the numbers... =D

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    7. Re:What kind of social activities? by sharkdba · · Score: 1

      All of the rooms that I have computers in also have TVs in them, and I always have a TV on in the background when I'm on the computer.

      Hmmm... Having the TV on and actually watching it is not the same.

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    8. Re:What kind of social activities? by Fweeky · · Score: 1
      I work on a computer most of the day; as luck would have it, I can sit on IRC at the same time

      Does your boss know? :-)

      I think so.

      *waves to him across the IRC channel*

      (well, he's not really my boss, but he's the closest thing I have ;)
      I'd worry about your productivity!

      You know what they say; you don't miss what you've never had ;)
  15. dupe checker by Kilka · · Score: 1, Redundant

    So why isn't there an automatic dupe checker in the ./ engine ? Anybody know ?

    Kilka

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    1. Re:dupe checker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because there ISN'T a "Slashdot engine". It's just a collection of badly designed, badly written perl code. Hell, it's a wonder stories even APPEAR on the front page at all. MySQL? Bwahahah! (Why do open sores morons always choose MySQL over PostgreSQL?)

  16. Just a quick question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If slashdot "subscribers" get to see the stuff before the fact, why not let them vote a story a dupe BEFORE it's posted to the site?

    I mean, it could just be a delay of 30 seconds for each vote until a certain threshold is reached, but christ! It's almost as bad as the trolls sometimes.

    My .02

    ~ Eric

    1. Re:Just a quick question by gmby · · Score: 1

      Haven't you heard yet? There are no "subscribers."

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  17. all geeks use the internet by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 5, Funny

    (geeks are internet users)=> (internet users are super social) => (geeks are the most internet savy) => (Geeks are Socialite GODS)

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    I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
    1. Re:all geeks use the internet by wheresdrew · · Score: 0

      But with all the talk for FOS software, P2P networks and open standards, shouldn't that read socialist gods?

  18. It's not even off the "Older Stuff" sidebar by jxg · · Score: 1

    For shame, Cowboy.

  19. Did I say they do often copy themself by TheSunborn · · Score: 0, Redundant

    And they do often copy themself because it is so easy to do online

    But not in slashdot. Because there it just make a "This exact comment has already been posted. Try to be more original..."

    1. Re:Did I say they do often copy themself by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      That might be a pretty good addition to the Slashcode. Something like "this same link has been used in a recent story (provides link). Would you still like to post this story?"

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  20. Despite being a dupe. by fuzzbot77 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is true... We have got so much more communication of course.. We can talk VoIP/IRC IM email to our hearts content. If anything computers / internet has made it cheaper to communicate with people we would not normaly communicate with. Only for the cost of ISP charges.. which usualy works out cheaper than dialing up some one on your home phone. Is this story a suprize. Not for those of us that are used to it.. Its the uneducated general public that have been misinformed that believe that computers cause you to be anti-social.. Well thats my 2 cents.. I am sure there will be people that dissagree

  21. Re:HELP! I AM HOLDING MY ERECT PENIS IN MY HAND by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    chop it off with a big axe

  22. Well, at least it's more than 2/3 of woman... by baltimoretim · · Score: 2, Funny
    73.1 percent of men use the Internet compared to 69 percent of woman.

    What, has some magician sawed this poor woman into pieces, and failed to reattach 31% of her? And, while he desperately Reads The FM on how to complete the trick, she surfs the 'net?

  23. "internet users" by senatorpjt · · Score: 3, Funny

    Remember, they're talking about the 73% of the population that sends email around, they're not talking about the hardcore geek population. I don't even think these people should be counted as "internet users" any more than you would call someone who pumps their own gas an auto mechanic.

    1. Re:"internet users" by addaon · · Score: 1

      You're using "users" in the "crack users" sense, yes?

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    2. Re:"internet users" by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Are they saying that 73% of the entire male population uses the internet? That number seems quite high to me, especially with a large aging population that probably doesn't used the internet. Is there some age category for this I'm missing?

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  24. dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  25. It's a dupe by TheOnlyCoolTim · · Score: 0, Redundant

    So there's two stories about some bore ass study but not one story about the fact that goatse.cx has been censored. What the fuck? I know there have to be about 300,000 submissions about the goatse story too. Are the editors in denial of goatse man? He's just a guy with a big anus. You get over seeing it pretty soon.

    Tim

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    1. Re:It's a dupe by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Yeah, what the hell is up with that? I mean, part of the fun of /. is dodging the goatse links. This is an important story! Also, it would be the only time, ever, that a story itself would link to goatse.

      Speaking of which...here's a great idea. Let's say /. links to a website I control on their front page, slamming the hell out of my web server. I think I'd just make it just load goatse for 'em. Suck that, /.

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    2. Re:It's a dupe by TheOnlyCoolTim · · Score: 1

      I think Somethingawful does that on any request that has slashdot as a referrer. I guess they'll just have to use tubgirl now.

      Tim

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  26. 73 vs 69 percent by lukior · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised that this number is so close. I've been told time and time again that men like computers and women don't and yet this study has internet usage almost equal and i'm sure the 4 points is within the margin of error in the poll. Maybe geeks won't be alone for too much longer. Then again who am i kidding.

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  27. Wow by Torinaga-Sama · · Score: 1

    People must read a lot more than I do to so quickly recognize a dupe.

    I would say most of the internet users (sic) I know are pretty social. It IS a means of communication isn't it.

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  28. does... by pvt_medic · · Score: 1

    posting a response mean that i am being social according to their standards?

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  29. Reruns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Internet users don't need to watch TV, because they can get their fill of reruns on Slashdot.

  30. Re:Old fucking news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    actually slashdot was very prompt-they reposted this dupe while the original is still in the "older articles" box on the front page, displaying the incredible speed of the editors' incompetence.

  31. Internet Users are More Social... by KalvinB · · Score: 1

    still.

    Stay tuned to Slashdot for continued coverage on how sociable internet users are.

    Ben

  32. Those Anti-Slash.org folks don't need to try very by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hard to convince others that Slashdot just fucking sucks.

  33. Re:HELP! I AM HOLDING MY ERECT PENIS IN MY HAND by fuzzbot77 · · Score: 1

    can i just say...... ouch!!!!!

  34. So what if it's a dupe? by Fortunato_NC · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I mean besides boring others and fragmenting discussion, thus depriving some of potentially critical insights. Other than that, there is nothing wrong with dupes! And even better, it gives us a second chance for First Post!

    But seriously - I think this study is one of those self fufilling prophecies - some geek whose friends told him he spends too much time online was like, "I'll show THEM!" Then he designs a protocol and a study, and lo and behold, but frequent Internet Users are actually MORE social!

    Or, it could be that Internet Users (on average):

    1. Have more income than non-users.
    2. Have a better education than non-users.
    3. Have more leisure time than non-users.

    All of these things contribute seriously to "being social." After all, if you're technologically illiterate, you probably aren't working in a white collar job that's all about networking. You're probably slinging hash at a Waffle House, hoping the truckers don't spit at you tonight.

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  35. MODS ON CRACK - NOT REDUNDANT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    was the first post to point out the dupe

    1. Re:MODS ON CRACK - NOT REDUNDANT by Pyrrus · · Score: 1

      maybe he got moderated down because the only
      thing more annoying than dupes is a bunch of whiney
      bastards complaining about them.

  36. RAID in action! by denks · · Score: 1

    Redundant Array of Inexpensive Dupes!

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    1. Re:RAID in action! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its not inexpensive if you have to constantly pay, as a subscriber, to see thse dupes.

      I want a refund of my money.. I'm seriously considering contacting my state's Attorney General because this has got to be violating laws

    2. Re:RAID in action! by Squirrley · · Score: 0

      and yet you don't even use your account to post?!? wtf ?

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    3. Re:RAID in action! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      obviously I don't want to be modbombed by Michael Sims or similar

    4. Re:RAID in action! by denks · · Score: 1

      You are getting your subscriptions worth. This RAID setup ensures that the article remains available, even if one of the copies is taken off.

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  37. First Repost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (of the year)

  38. We're all social in some way. by Thinkit3 · · Score: 0
    Otherwise there would be only one entity.

    Music and Love: a deist theory.

    Love seems clear, but what is music? Here, it is meant as harmonious randomness. And those are the main themes in this theory of everything.

    About skeptics. Skepticism is the way to distinguish truly wrong theories from others. Nothing here can be shown to be false currently.

    Free Will.

    • Can generate randomness.
    • Seeks love and music.
    • Are all identical.
      Free Will as a concept does not change from person to person.

    God.

    • Can generate true randomness.
    • Has no storage or input.
      Without storage or input, God remains outside of time. This gives him the power to generate an entire universe all at once.
    • Outputs quantized information.
    • Seeks music.

    God, then, actually has a subset of the powers of every sentient being. God cannot love, cannot store. God is essentially a random number generator. This is a deist philosophy.

    An entity is the self. It consists of free will coupled with storage.

    This is the "soul" concept common in religions.

    • a. The amount of entities is finite, unchanging, and even.
      There can be no creation or destruction of them. See the story below for why it should be even.
    • Each has no beginning.
    • Each has no end.
    • Each has a non-quantized infinite storage of previous (quantized) input from seats of consciousness.
      It is infinite because there was no beginning to the storage. Because it is infinite, it contains all that can be experienced. However, it is ordered by time.

      It can only be added to, never deleted. It has been shown that completely erasing memories, while interesting to science fiction, is very hard to do. No matter what part of the brain is damaged, there remains some recollection of ingrained memory.

      Scientific testing of this hypothesis is difficult. Remembering a specific address or phone number would be conclusive proof, but that is not the nature of this storage. It is more the stuff of dreams--fleeting.

      Output is not stored. The output may be fed back as input and stored, though. Note that God has output but no storage.

      Sorry, L. Ron, there can be no "out of body" experience.

    • The storage cannot be shared directly. It must go through systems.
      Telepathy can be thought of as a direct sharing of this storage between minds. Skeptics have convincingly shown no paranormal exchange of information.

    The beings spoke of in the beginning were not entities until the universes started.

    A seat of consciousness is the physical carrier of the entity.
    The seat presumably is somewhere in the brain. As many animals do seem sentient, it is probably in an older part of the brain that evolved long before humans. We are finding that all sensory information converges on certain areas such as the thalamus. This is part of the limbic system--an evolutionarily old system--which holds promise when looking for the seat of coniscousness.

    A system, a "sentient being", is the fusion of one entity with one physical seat of consciousness.
    This, then, is a sentient being. Humans are sentient beings, but likely not the only ones. The weight of evidence shows that areas associated with sentience are shared with many other animals.

    Artificial intelligence will, thus, always be just that--artificial. No network of connections between computers will ever be conscious. This is a refutation of strong AI.

    • It has a beginning.
      Likely in the womb. It may be inactive (unconscious) initially, which would be significant. When it becomes active, this is when sentient life begins.
    • It has an end.
      The system is not just inactive-
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    1. Re:We're all social in some way. by jared_hanson · · Score: 1

      Were you going to give credit to this guy?

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  39. Yay! I'm normal! by webslacker · · Score: 1

    Spending 12 hours in a chatroom! IM'ing all my friends (I don't know what any of them look like) several times a day! Connecting myself to Kevin Bacon (takes eight degrees for now) on Friendster!

    I just KNEW someday someone would vindicate me and tell everyone that these were not anti-social activities!

  40. question by pvt_medic · · Score: 1

    what if i have a TV tuner card in my computer and watch tv as i use it, does that count as both or just one.

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  41. Re:Old fucking news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, I knew I read it _somewhere_. Maybe not CNN after all. Kudo's to Slashdot for posting timely material. Now don't ban my fucking account, cocksmokers! ;-)

  42. Liars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who is really going to answer 'I sit unwashed in a darkened room masturbating and hitting refresh entirely too often.'

  43. Just Think. by SomeOtherGuy · · Score: 1

    Only about 10,000 /. users could have told you this was a "the old one was not even cold yet" dupe. I say we donate about 5 bucks apiece to a paypal account -- and send one of the 10,000 all of the stories 10 minutes before you post....and we can work as the new /. "dupe bot" cluster.

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  44. And they often do copy themself by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 2, Funny
    And they do often copy themself because it is so easy to do online

    It surely is.

  45. Re:Old fucking news by Richard+Allen · · Score: 1

    mod parent as -1 Envious

  46. But.. by Transcendent · · Score: 1

    often forgetful of where they've already been. ;)

  47. Why is this surprising? by kaiwainz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For me, I maybe lucky to watch 1hour of TV at night, and that is *if* I am lucky whilst on the other hand I would much rather prefer surfing the net, looking for news that interests me and possibly chat to a few friends.

    I completely agree with the UCLA, the people I find that are the *least* socially active are those who are couch potatoes where as for me, I'm able to surf for the information I want, get it straight away then go off and do something else where as if I watch TV, I would have to sit through ads, a couple of feel good news stories just to get to the news story that I could be interested in.

    With that being said, however, yes, there are people on the internet who hide behind their computer screen, too scared to face the world so instead they create a whole new persona specifically for "online communication".

    Now sure, Internet is great for communication, however, like any form of communication, one has to take it in moderation. Simply restricting yourself to online friendships is neither healthy or longterm.

    Now, if we all lived in isolated vacuums then I am sure it wouldn't be so bad but unfortunately these people take their anti-social leanings into work, the net result? you end up with a handful of possibly talented employees but can't work together with others to solve problems.

    In IT we spend WAAY to much time worrying about skills when what the concerntration an universities and other training institutions ensuring that balanced people are graduated who not only know their "stuff" but also have the soft skills required for work that requires close colaboration.

  48. n07 m3 by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 1
    Also interesting is how net users watch less television than their offline counterparts.

    I don't know about everyone else, but thanks to my handy TV tuner, I have a tendency to watch TV (or pre-recorded shows) while chatting and surfing the net. I'm three time as efficient at wasting time than most!

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  49. What about.... by TheWart · · Score: 1

    Does it say anything about internet users posting more dupes than non-internet users?

  50. Hey, Rocky! Watch me pull a dupe out of my hat! by 87C751 · · Score: 1
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  51. Its better to be anti social. by Adolph_Hitler · · Score: 1

    Why waste your time with ignorant people? Most people are ignorant and stupid. Its annoying to even be around most people. Why be social?

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  52. I e-mailed the god damn editor. by sam_handelman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I stay home on Thursday night, in spite of the legion of sophisticated bisexual women clawing at the door to my Manhattan apartment, putting aside a rich evening of culinary, cultural and sexual exploration of the kind that all geeks regularly enjoy, in order to selflessly devote myself to keeping slashdot running smoothly.

    I e-mail the on-duty editor with a problem - as I am instructed to do.

    I do so with at least ten minutes to spare before the story actually goes live.

    What does the editor do? Absolutely nothing!

    What is the point of even *having* an on-duty editor if they can't filter out duplicate stories! Jeez!

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    1. Re:I e-mailed the god damn editor. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mmmm...sophisticated bisexual women...

  53. "Internet Users Are More Social Than Non-Users"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Go to he-- er, wait, are you sure that's not anti-social?

  54. Re:Old fucking news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Envious? It's the middle of January and I'm walking around with a sweater on, and chuckling at CNN reports of you fat-assed AmeriKKKans freezing your balls off at -40 weather. Plus, I'm surrounded by beautiful, slim-waisted asian women on a daily, constant basis. Oh, and I've been watching your almighty dollar decline for months. Envious? Bwahahahah!

  55. Re:Mods: by Squirrley · · Score: 0

    you must be new here...

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  56. That's not cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Internet users in China report an average of 7.7 online friends who they have never met in person -- more than twice as many as any other surveyed country.

    Now I know that people from Southern China are generally shorter than average, but that decimal count was uncalled for.

  57. Ironic /. poll? by utlemming · · Score: 1

    Has anybody else noticed the irony of this letter and the /. poll today -- your greatest failing as a nerd.

    It was somewhat embaressing as my room mate looked at the poll and then said, "You can't check a single one, can you." Yup, it was a said day when a /. poll did not have an option to be a complete nerd.

    One the flip side it was rather interesting about the fact that they said that the internet has no social benefit. It is rather awkword in the wording and was very ambiguious. It seems to say to me that the internet is not considered a reliable source of information -- maybe it is my University, but I am encouraged to do my political science research on a computer so that I can get the latest up-to-date information.

    Oh well...

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  58. and in other news.... by mercuryresearch · · Score: 1

    recognizing this as a dupe indicates that you have a well-developed social life!

  59. television by mabu · · Score: 0, Troll

    99.9% of television is crap. You'd live a healthier life by stuffing food up your butt and trying to shit out your mouth. It's nice to know that Internet-savvy users are more aware of this than most of the moron populace.

  60. Better than TV by miketang16 · · Score: 1

    I'm going to ignore the whole dupe thing and attempt to actually reply. My family usually expresses dismay at how much time I spend on my computer. My usual rebuttal is if I wasn't on the computer, I'd be watching TV, and personally I think using a computer is MUCH more intellectually stimulating than watching television.

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  61. 69%?? by achurch · · Score: 1, Funny

    So why is it I can't seem to locate any of this supposed 69% of women on the Internet?

    Oh, I know--they're using a different Internet! I feel much better now.

  62. Re:d035... by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 1

    I'd be more interested if trolling counts as social. Seems pretty anti-social to me, but how could such a study account for this?

    Oh, and, uh, ignore my sig.

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  63. Less TV == more social by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Considering that the average American watches four hours of television per day [centredaily.com], I'm not sure the average person has much time left for socializing. Anything that reduces the amount of TV watched, including using the Internet, is likely to improve how social that person is.

  64. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  65. Japanese Public Bath by chocolatetrumpet · · Score: 1

    Social != Taking showers...

    unless of course you are in a Japanese Public Bath House!

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  66. dont get your hopes up... by alexdm · · Score: 1

    i bet 80% of the 73% of women are RL manginas!

    1. Re:dont get your hopes up... by lukior · · Score: 1

      Hehe thats true. Now with the addition of voice chat to games like CS i can have more of a surety the the female nick is actually female. Although I can't use a female sounding nick it becomes impossible to play with all the 14 year old kids trying to hit on me. I had the nick Adrien Barbobot which is a joke of of Sealab 2021.

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  67. Social? by newt_sd · · Score: 4, Funny

    How social can it be I have read this in eight different online news sources already!!

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  68. more social or more desperate? by cribb · · Score: 5, Funny
    Obvious computer Geek walks into local mall wearing a t-shirt, and after getting lost and fighting a bit with himself decides to actually talk to the shop assistant:
    Hi, where's the computer dept
    Assistant:
    Third floor, on your right
    Geek:
    Oh, do you know if they sell Netgear LN-234STs over there?
    Assistant:
    Sorry, you should ask the computer dept. people about that
    Geek looks at assistant's t-shirt:
    Do you know that thinkgeek sell a t-shirt just like this one, with "all your base are belong to us" written on it

    Assistant looks at Geek and walks away as fast as possible.

    Geek goes to the computer dept. and immediately finds other geeks talking about the new iPod, joins in in their conversation, and together they flood the assistant with questions about the technical specs of all the mp3 players around, and keep trying to persuade him that the iRivers are better because they are firmware upgradeable to support OGG/Vorbis.

    A few days later, assistant fill in poll about computer users, and in the Comments section fills in:

    They ask a lot of questions, talk way too much, and never buy anything. and what's with this "Does it run on linux" question, what is Linux in the first place?


    A few days later slashdot story appears, claiming that geeks are more communicative than other people.
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  69. new type of socializing? by LuxFX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I agree with the study -- but you do have to consider chat rooms, discussion boards, etc. to be socializing. And I do think they are, but it's a new type of socializing.

    I am an introvert. I'm happy to be an introvert. I hate going places with lots of people, and I tend to be the quiet one if I'm ever in a group of people. But I do a lot of discussion boards. The amazing thing is that online socializing does not mess with my introversion. I'm comfortable submitting comments to discussion boards where I wouldn't be comfortable speaking out at a get-together.

    So maybe the stereotype is right AND the study's results are right. Maybe it is our definition of being social that is being put under the microscope.

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    1. Re:new type of socializing? by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      I am an introvert. I'm happy to be an introvert. I hate going places with lots of people, and I tend to be the quiet one if I'm ever in a group of people. But I do a lot of discussion boards. The amazing thing is that online socializing does not mess with my introversion. I'm comfortable submitting comments to discussion boards where I wouldn't be comfortable speaking out at a get-together. So maybe the stereotype is right AND the study's results are right. Maybe it is our definition of being social that is being put under the microscope.

      That's a good post. WAY too much time is wasted in "real" social interaction situations on appearance, "sizing up the competition", politics, establishing first impressions based on superficiality, etc. But we already knew that, didn't we? I suspect that you'd mostly agree with my statements above and I wonder why your website requires Flash to view it.

    2. Re:new type of socializing? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      "The amazing thing is that online socializing does not mess with my introversion. "

      Which is why it is important to emphasize the difference in the two types of socializing. Now to dwell on your introversion, but when you are online, you are missing out on most of the risks of being social IRL. So while its great that you've found a way to be social in some way, it is important to realize that it doesn't fix the problem of you being uncomfortable with lots of people around, which is what really needs to be addressed.

      But I agree, the definition of 'social' is one that will continue to evolve as the Information Age continues.

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    3. Re:new type of socializing? by LuxFX · · Score: 1

      ...and I wonder why your website requires Flash to view it.

      Because I'm a flash developer, that's my 'portfolio' page, and I need to impress clients. :)

      No flash here: http://www.birnamlabs.com (the side biz I have not much time for anymore)
      or here: http://www.luxfx.com (blog)

      You're absolutely right, traditional 'social' activity requires too much 'social protocol.' Think about how much energy is wasted by people in trying to maintain a superficial look, and wasted in the struggle with peer pressure.

      Even in human cliques there is the position that can really only be described as 'alpha male' and in traditional socializing to much effort is spent in competing or maintaining this position. So many poor decisions have been made as a result of these social protocols. Sad!

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  70. What qualifies as "Internet Use"? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Also, what quantifies "internet use"? For this study, I'm assuming that means time spent in front of a web browser. Does ssh'ing into a linux box halfway across the world count? What if it's across the same city? What if it's under my desk? Does checking email count? What if I download my email and read it offline? What if I print out my email and then read it? (no, I don't do this, but I know execs that do) What if I'm at my computer, playing nethack, but I'm signed into Trillian?

  71. Re:j4p4n353 publ1c b47h by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 1

    Or the Turkish ones that I see on all those European travlling shows on TV.

    I was really taking a jab at RMS more than anything else =)

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  72. Re:d035... by pvt_medic · · Score: 1

    leave that one for the philosophers.

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  73. No big surprise by Do+not+eat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I used to be an anti-social geek until I discovered the internet. Upon discovering how easy it is to communicate with people when not face to face, I learned to like people and interact with them. I was able to hide any apprehension, and by subverting this I gained real confidence in myself. This of course translated over well to the real world, and now I consider myself a people person. And no one thinks I am a geek. So this article comes as no surprise to me, and I'm sure that I'm not the only person in this boat.

    1. Re:No big surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My story is the same as yours. :)

    2. Re:No big surprise by The+One+KEA · · Score: 1

      Amazingly, this sounds quite true. During most of my school career I had trouble talking to people because I had nothing in common with them (I was ionterested in computers, everyone else was interested in something else). When I found the Internet and began registering on discussion forums and mailing lists, it really helped me. Now I'm in college and I have no problems relating to people and finding a common ground.

      Hooray for the Intarweb!

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    3. Re:No big surprise by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      What's really odd is that this is the type of situation that is supposed to happen at home with your family and extended family, low-stress low apprehension interaction that is. Apparently with today's nuclear families and constantly working parents, kids just don't get the normal socialization at home that they're supposed to. Introducing the new extended family... the internet. Very interesting indeed.

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  74. more social activities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With IM's I always have friends to talk to. I've have 6 convo's open right now. Here, take a read:

    Me: ..so I say "RTFM"
    Internet Friend: lololol!!! 0wnz3r3d!!!
    Me: Right. OMG.
    Internet Friend: Wha--?
    Me: FP on /.
    Me: Again!! Booyah!
    Internet Friend: kewl. g2g, ttyl
    [Internet Friend has signed off.]
    Me: Alright, talk to you later!
    [User is not available.]

    As you can see, my conversational skills are highly developed. And I chat online for several hours a day so of course I'm more social (than MOST people).

  75. What .... by bizitch · · Score: 1

    is this thing "Television" you speak of?

    Seriously -

    Its true - My TV consumption is way way down ...

    Slashdot now fills that hole in my day !

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  76. That IS the engine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That IS the engine, dickhole. And people use MySQL because it's lightweight, easy to setup, configure, and maintain, simple, fast, and functional.

  77. Yup, internet users are more social than non-users by ALLXSTHINGS · · Score: 1

    ...ELIZA told me so! HREF="http://www-ai.ijs.si/eliza/eliza.html"

  78. Agreed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    After working all day answering people's stupid questions and fixing their computers that they've blown up while trying to do stupid shit, I usually don't want to have anything to do with people once 5pm rolls around, or on the weekend.

    I was off from December 19th until January 5th, my longest vacation in years, and I barely left the house. In that time I read 6 novels, wrote some more of the interface for my home automation stuff, played video games until my vision was blurry, and slept (I even set the alarm a few mornings just to have the pleasure of turning it off, rolling over, and going back to sleep).

    At the end I actually went 5 days straight without leaving the house for anything. When I got in the car on January 5th to return to work, it actually felt weird to drive.

    Summary: Best. Vacation. Ever. I can't wait to do it again in 48 weeks or so.

  79. Well duh! by mog007 · · Score: 1

    Yep, pretty much the same story as yesterday. To be fair, Cowboyneal did say it was news to him. :)

    Well DUH! If it ain't a dupe it ain't news!

  80. Re:Old fucking news by Richard+Allen · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Envious? It's the middle of January and I'm walking around with a sweater on, and chuckling at CNN reports of you fat-assed AmeriKKKans freezing your balls off at -40 weather.

    Ahh ... the good life ... CNN!

    Plus, I'm surrounded by beautiful, slim-waisted asian women on a daily, constant basis.

    On a daily, constant basis? Dude, tell your sisters to go out and meet somebody!

    Oh, and I've been watching your almighty dollar decline for months. Envious? Bwahahahah!

    Yeah, it's really affected life here in the states. The 'ole declining dollar! Now whenever I go to Asia on vacation it costs me an extra $1.38 for a 2 bedroom mud hut.

  81. Internet users more social??!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a FSCKING DUPE you asshat!!!

  82. And they often do copy themself by denks · · Score: 1

    And they do often copy themself because it is so easy to do online

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  83. Sounds like... by hungsolo · · Score: 0

    The /. editing crew isn't spending enough time online. If they were, they'd be socializing and sharing story posts. ;-)

  84. OMG MOD PARENT PLUS ONE MILLION FUNNY!!!1~~!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And people use MySQL because it's lightweight, easy to setup, configure, and maintain, simple, fast, and functional.

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    No seriously dude, FUNNIEST POST EVER! PLEASE tell us more jokes!

  85. I didn't realize... by DarkRecluse · · Score: 1

    I didn't realize it, but I guess squatting in IRC and bb's belittling others for my own amusement is a social activity!

    Maybe they should differentiate between social activities that are beneficial to all...and fun.

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  86. To be fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...my 24.1" LCD monitor has PIP, and I watch TV while I surf. Hate to skew the stats...

  87. Thank $DEITY for the Internet by r_j_prahad · · Score: 1

    I'm a paraplegic. This is the most socialization I can get.

  88. Magical Number by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Uhhh.... did he say 69...? Ughhhh.... hehe...."

    "Shut up Beavis, you asswipe!"

  89. PORN DOES NOT COUNT by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1, Funny

    Look now, socializing with porn does not count.

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  90. This is because by JCMoney · · Score: 1

    everyone who doesnt use the internet lives in a cave.

  91. Whats the big deal? by Rydell · · Score: 1

    My question is, why does every one get so bent out of shape when there is a dupe posted?

    Most of us (non-subscribers) arent paying to view this site, its not like our hard earned dollars are being spent to read duplicate news stories every day. Even then, how bad is it to notice the slip-up and hit the "Back" button?

    1. Re:Whats the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Even then, how bad is it to notice the slip-up and hit the "Back" button?"

      That requires far more effort than bitching about the dupe. Reason being you can get mod points for complaining making it worthwhile. I think a cool way to fix this is to not give any mod points for dupe stories. Of course no one will ever mod me up so I'll just go back to posting tubgirl and goat.cx links and trolling.

  92. Here's the real reason why! by cobe98 · · Score: 1

    Cowboy Neal was too busy jacking off to the Wired.com website www.goatse.cx

  93. Better than looking for a job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would rather spend my time communicating with nerds on slashdot than pounding the pavement for a 9-5 job that will never materialize in this economy.

  94. I'm social! by shadowmatter · · Score: 1

    I knew it! I knew it! My mother always told me I was less social, but the second I saw this article I brought her down into the basement so she could read the article for herself! I sure proved her wrong!

    - shadowmatter

  95. They didn't correct for social class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They said it before, I'll say it again. They didn't correct for social class. Internet users are richer than non-Internet users. Richer people read more books, for a variety of reasons. They probably also have more friends: middle and upper-middle class careers tend to rely heavily on socialization as a means of advancement. (From what I understand, socializing is the whole point of life for the upper class.)

    It's sort of like someone saying that the average programmer has more facial hair than the average non-programmer. Programmer beards aside, there's another confounding factor, one I think we're all WAY too familiar with. ;)

    And if anyone knows where I can find a counterexample to that last one, let me know ;)

  96. We're socially-enabled lazy @#$#s by eamonman · · Score: 1

    > Also interesting is how net users watch less television than their offline counterparts.

    If only we were chameleons, this wouldn't be a problem at all. :)

    Anyways, I think that the internet has people be more communicative simply because it's the laziest form of communication. ytalk/irc/IM/MMORPG-ing is simply the easiest way for fat lazy bums like me to keep in touch with everyone. If arpanet never happend, then I suppose I would be still have to do what I did 10 years ago to socialize; drive/bike over to friends' places or pay expensive long distance bills to talk with distant relatives/friends.

    The internet is makes us more social but less lazy. I'm not at all conviced this is good.

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  97. More men on the net by Felinoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Quite a few high school guidence counclers actually believe wemen can't make a successful carrer in technical fields and will actively discurage intrest in those fields.
    When the guidence councilers ultimately desides what classes the students get to take that bies will effect the class attendence of the technical classes. Reasurence from the teachers that it's not a problem dose not help.

    Equally famaly members will also discurage girls from getting involved in computers becouse "It's too complex".

    This is less and less over time. Each generation has less interfearence as we learn just how important computers really are in the world today.

    We can thank peoples addatudes twords wemen in the 1970s and 80's for the limited representation of wemen on the Internet today.

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    1. Re:More men on the net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did your guidance counselor have anything to say about your spelling? ;-P

    2. Re:More men on the net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      holy shit... where'd you learn to spell?

  98. Well yeah by carcosa30 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Obviously they are, like duh.

    They're counting Everquest and Yahoo Chat, right?

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  99. Re:No, I'm New Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, I wrote a post a month or two ago saying "Are you new here?" and I was waiting for you to show up and reply, but you didn't! I was so disappointed! You let me down, man.

  100. Don't you hate it... by Dylbert · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ...when people start saying something in the topic of their comment, and then finish it in the body?

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  101. Internet geeks are social by nature. by mac+os+ken · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Geeks are social by nature. As a defense mechanism they usually move in herds when leaving the sanctity of their computer desks. In the untamed world (the mall or school hallways for example) the likeliness of a geek to be singled out and picked on by a predator/bully is divided by the number of fellow geeks in the group. Hence the the geek uses safety in numbers, a trait found only in intelligent social animals.

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    1. Re:Internet geeks are social by nature. by Wiseazz · · Score: 1

      I whored myself to the football team (doing homework - nothing else). Nobody messes with the football team's pet homework bitch.

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  102. Another blind man describing how elephat looks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And that it!

  103. Day? by Hartree · · Score: 1

    No, we read it at 4 am, too.

  104. Why yes... yes I do by The+Tyro · · Score: 1

    I sometimes come here for the articles... but also, as you rightly mentioned, for the conversation.

    Seriously... if you can sort the wheat from the chaff, you can learn things here. Even as a terminally-degreed professional, I find this website valuable (I also double-check facts to be sure they're not BS). The level of expertise of the people that regularly read and participate here is substantial (and the trolls simply make for cheap, lowbrow entertainment... thanks guys!).

    Believe it or not, you can also meet people... I've found I'm not the only healthcare professional (physician) who reads slashdot; I've met other docs, paramedics, radiation technologists, etc... all of whom have expanded my knowledge about various topics. The non-medical hard-core EE/code/kernel geeks have led me to good books, websites, and reference works on non-medical technical subjects.

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I love this place, trolls and all.

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  105. IRC is really sociable... by Tomeck · · Score: 1

    [09:00] wow, slashdot says we're sociable! [09:07] heh [09:25] damn idlers. Yeah, always chatting away on IRC...

  106. we should all just post the same things again... by thegnu · · Score: 0

    it'll will help give mr. neal a feel for the general ambiance of breaking news.

    oh, i kid.

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  107. all the women by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hang out in "hot or not" websites.

    fellow geeks, take that has a hint to be noticed by internet-savvy women.

    or not.

  108. Along with this, another idea... by bloggins02 · · Score: 1

    I was thinking, duplicate stories often have the same links to websites, quotes from people, etc..., so couldn't someone write a patch to slashcode that searches the previous N articles for similar links or strings of words (much like is done with plagiarism catchers)?

    It seems that that would at least pull up a list of similar stories and the admin could look at them and say "Yeah, this is a dupe, I see the other story right here, from 2 days ago," and hit "cancel".

    Just a thought.

    Oh, and a note for people who ask "why do we care?" Well, dupe's wouldn't be a big deal if it weren't for the comments. For those that enjoy reading or making comments, duplicates mean that the discussion is spread accross two (or more) different stories. That's not cool.

  109. Social interaction goes beyond IRC by Chatmag · · Score: 1

    The Pew Internet Life Project issued a similar report recently, suggesting that Internet chat usage had shown only a modest increase.

    We recently published our years end list of the top ten chat topics for 2003, and have seen a very good growth both in Chatmag and Internet chat and discussion sites in general. Two years ago, our estimate of functioning chat rooms were at about 750,000. End of 2003 estimates are at about 1,325,000. We now include 'blogs and discussion groups such as Yahoo! Groups and MSN Groups in our listings, to reflect the changes in social interaction.

    Online game playing, while not in itself "chat" offers players the opportunity to talk to each other. According to statistics from 2002, an estimated 50 million people around the world were playing online games that year, and the number is expected to grow to 114 million by the year 2006. Online game playing is the Internet equivalent of "poker night" or board gaming with friends.

    According to Alexa, the two year ranking for Slashdot rose from a low of about 1750 to todays rank of 881. In that same time, Chatmag's rank was at about 230,000 two years ago, with todays ranking of 43,656. Other social networking and related sites have shown a similar increase in users, suggesting that the reports do not delve into all aspects of social interaction.

    When Pew and The World Internet Project look at usage, they do not consider sites such as Slashdot, Kuro5hin, Ryze, or Ecademy as "chat" sites, although the primary function of such sites are to promote dialog.

    Social interaction is evolving from the traditional IRC chat room toward more focused integrated sites, such as interactive games, 'blogs and Slashdot-type sites.

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  110. Well, they are more social, but... by 911GT3 · · Score: 1

    ...have these people more sex? Too much TV or iNet, WAYNE?. Make more sporty activities, you'll become much more of the real "social contacts"... ;)

  111. But this doesn't test slashdot users specifically by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    The study does not address slashdot users and their antisocial tendencies. I bet the scores would be hire for normal internet users if slashdot users were put into their own antisocial group.

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  112. confusion by tsunamifirestorm · · Score: 1

    A: people on-line are more sociable B: more men are on-line than women so that means... men are more sociable then women... hmm so i guess grunts count as communication now visit my band www.netzermusic.com

  113. Which part of woman does not use Internet? by sharkdba · · Score: 1

    For example, in the United States 73.1 percent of men use the Internet compared to 69 percent of woman.

    Ok, let's see: 69% of woman uses the internet. She puts the head into it, she must use her arms, and I would guess the main body part (chest and hips included). So what's left? The legs! Yes, the legs are out of internet for the woman.

    Just wonder how they did calculate the number. Is it mass or volume?

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  114. How does it compute? by aixguru1 · · Score: 1

    Socializing? Hmm, lets break this down shall we... "41 percent of users in the United States are online an average of 10 hours or more per week..." Ok, so there are 168 hours in a week. The typical geek seems to spend 10 hours a day sleeping, or 70 hours a week. If you spend 3 hours a for meals (1 for breakfast, lunch and dinner)thats 21 hours. The average work week for a full time employee in the computer industry is typically 50+ hours (we'll go with 50). Most folks have to drive on average 30 minutes a day minimum to work as well. That makes another 3.5 hours a week. So far folks, we are left with 23.5 hours. Let's pretent that most of us actually bath daily and spend around 45 minutes on personal cleanlyness per day. That means 5.25 hours is spent with grooming. Now, lets estimate that you spend another 4 hours a week doing things like laundry and grocery shopping and various other life activities. Now we are left with 13.25 hours total. I space out a minimum of 15 minutes outside of work. Most people do. So lets just round down to 13 hours. So, no we take out the 10 hours for the internet and we are left with 3 hours to socialize. 3 hours! Barely enough time to meet some friends for a movie. Not enough time to drive to any reasonable location to hang out. Enough time to hurt your hearing in a loud dance club. It is definately not enough time to spend with your lover (if ya have one)! So by my estimation this socializing must take place at work and while you are stuffing your face during meals! I would be interested in seeing exactly how they got their numbers.

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  115. Self-plagirism... by Thinkit3 · · Score: 1

    Ah ha!

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