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Mozilla 1.6 Released

Jack Comics writes "Asa Dotzler of the Mozilla Foundation has announced this evening the release of Mozilla 1.6. The Mozilla 1.6 release notes can be found here."

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  1. Keep 'em coming... by natron+2.0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    More security fixes and the ability to reload the source view...nice.

    1. Re:Keep 'em coming... by cujo_1111 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is very nice. Mozilla continues to get better with every release. Like AMD, it just needs some more public exposure...

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    2. Re:Keep 'em coming... by iammaxus · · Score: 5, Funny

      "...the ability to reload the source view"

      Great! Now it's so much easier to read slashdot the Hardcore Way

    3. Re:Keep 'em coming... by ender81b · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Shudder. Ancient HTML 3 code... oh the horror.

      As an aside, Anybody know when Moz will officially be branched off into firebird/thunderbird components? I thought this was supposed to happen around 1.6 apparently I was wrong.

    4. Re:Keep 'em coming... by typhoonius · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, the Eolas "president" (it's a one-man operation) is only going after Microsoft specifically to promote "alternative" browsers such as Mozilla. At least it'll give us an IE patch; it seems like the only way to get Microsoft to update the thing is to come up with a lawsuit. Anyone have patents on a "Faulty DOM Implementation"? Or maybe someone with a patent on "Buffer Overflows" could take out the whole company.

    5. Re:Keep 'em coming... by teamhasnoi · · Score: 5, Funny
      HA! I cut the cable to my monitor and I read Slashdot by looking at its VERY ELECTRONS!

      Not really. I have a nice old lady read it to me, 'cause I'm scared of the Metal Ones.

    6. Re:Keep 'em coming... by hendridm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That is the impression I got from the roadmap too: "Deliver a Mozilla 1.4 milestone that can replace the 1.0 branch as the stable development path, then move on to make riskier changes during 1.5 and 1.6. The major changes after 1.4 involve switching to Mozilla Firebird and Thunderbird ..."

      Apparently "after 1.4" means several versions after 1.4. The Mozilla roadmap is as clear as mud (pretty diagrams though). The Firebird roadmap is much more concise.

    7. Re:Keep 'em coming... by brasten · · Score: 5, Informative

      From what I've been reading, more people are interested in the suite over the *birds than originally anticipated, so they'll be keeping it around for a while.

      However, most developers working on the suite are focused primarily on the Gecko engine, with very little work being done on the front-end of things. Since the *birds are obviously Gecko-based as well, they are essentially being worked on by most Mozilla developers, even if indirectly. So it's not like the *birds are missing out on much development effort.

    8. Re:Keep 'em coming... by el-spectre · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wuss. I hold my hand near the ethernet cable and use induction to surf the web...

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    9. Re:Keep 'em coming... by bluephone · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try this: http://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/webdevel.ht ml#generated_source It's a bookmarklet that takes the current page, and shows you it's source in a new window, without reloading. It's not the EXACT source from the server though, it's the cleaned up onebeing displayer. It's as close as we get, currently.

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    10. Re:Keep 'em coming... by Malc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "From what I've been reading, more people are interested in the suite over the *birds than originally anticipated, so they'll be keeping it around for a while."

      Grrrr. This is a pet peeve of mine. Why do so many people find the word "suite" to be synonymous with "monolithic app"? There's absolutely no reason. The suite can consist of the *birds where each component runs in its own process space. There are plenty of other tightly coupled suites out there that do this very well. Why would anybody want to run it all in one process space? It was a fundamental architectural mistake made by Netscape a decade ago, and just pure foolishness when the open source Mozilla team copied it!

      As far as most users are concerned, they click an icon on their desktop (or in the app) for whatever they want to do, be it browsing, mail, IRC, calendaring, etc. A window appears and they do their thing. Why does it matter if that window comes from the same process or not? It doesn't. In fact, it's preferable if it doesn't. Crashes, or blocking actions won't tie up or interfere with the other process(es) (which is a major problem with the current suite).

      Once the *birds implement the same functionality from a UI and extensions perspective, and the same integration with each of the other components as the current suite, there is no reason to continue with this monolithic monstrousity. I like the Mozilla products. I use the components (mostly mail/news and browser), I want the suite. I don't want a monolithic single process app.

    11. Re:Keep 'em coming... by Oliver+Defacszio · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's hardcore? Pff. I just read Slashdot on Monday and know what's going to be posted on Friday.

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    12. Re:Keep 'em coming... by T-Ranger · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thats easy. More SCO stories and dups.

    13. Re:Keep 'em coming... by brasten · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Once the *birds implement the same functionality from a UI and extensions perspective, and the same integration with each of the other components as the current suite, there is no reason to continue with this monolithic monstrousity."

      Yes, I happen to agree with you... being a Firebird/Thunderbird user myself. I don't think whether the current suite is a monolithic monstrousity or a multi-process paradise matters to some. There are - apparently - those who desire the integration between components that the suite has to offer.

      Hopefully, someday soon, the individual birds can acheive the same level of integration with each other while remaining separate processes... When that happens, the "Suite" will simply be the full collection of *birds. Until then, the single-process application lives on.

    14. Re:Keep 'em coming... by ebrandsberg · · Score: 2, Funny

      I stare into the fiber port on a 10-gig switch!

      Now where did I put my glasses?

    15. Re:Keep 'em coming... by benjamindees · · Score: 2, Funny

      I love it: abusing one inept branch of the government to make up for another. Take that, Ghandi.

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    16. Re:Keep 'em coming... by WuphonsReach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Some of us wish that Firebird had multiple processes so that a crash in one window wouldn't wipe out the other 4 windows with half a dozen tabs each....

      (A habit that you form once you have a tabbed browser...)

      Thunderbird 0.4 has worked well for me for the last month (replaced Moz 1.4). It's finished enough that it's useable for me at least.

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    17. Re:Keep 'em coming... by yomegaman · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm posting this by whistling into the phone!

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    18. Re:Keep 'em coming... by abertoll · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why would anybody want to run it all in one process space? Because... you can keep common parts of the program loaded into memory for faster startup.

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    19. Re:Keep 'em coming... by walt-sjc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I just wish they would do more for performance. I've got 2 identical machines - one runs Debian Sid with galeon, Mozilla, firebird, konq, etc. The other runs Win2K. Debian is my main desktop and I use Galeon (which is Mozilla based for those of you unfamilar with Galeon) as my main browser.

      IE loads the exact same pages almost instantly, where it can take several seconds for ANY of the linux-based browsers to load - some times as much as 10 times longer. It seems to be mainly an issue with tables.

      For example: go to the the asterisk users mailing list, scroll down, click on a message, then click back. See how long it takes to re-render the cached page? Horrible. Try the page in IE and Mozilla. Konquerer is fastest of the linux browsers on this page.

    20. Re:Keep 'em coming... by iantri · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Opera can restore all your tabs if it crashes..

    21. Re:Keep 'em coming... by badmonkey · · Score: 5, Informative

      I just read yesterday in the firebird documentation that it has a 250 millisecond pause built in before rendering so as to not have to reflow the page as much as bytes stream in. It can be deactivated as in the instructions here
      So that'll make it a little faster I think

    22. Re:Keep 'em coming... by bluGill · · Score: 2, Informative

      In addition to the above comments: that is what fork() is for. I know Mozilla runs on Windows which doesn't have fork (at least it didn't last I checked, I don't know what posix services provides windows though), but why should I suffer on unix which does.

    23. Re:Keep 'em coming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      And don't forget more SCO stories and dupes.

    24. Re:Keep 'em coming... by swv3752 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have a win2k machine at work with Moz 1.4 and IE6. I think it is a P3 700mhz 512mb RAM.

      Trying the parent's mailing list- Moz -9 secs to load. IE- 15secs. We have a caching web proxy on a fast pipe. I tried Moz first.

      Click a message then go back- Moz 2secs, IE 2secs.

      IE does start displaying content faster but the complete load is from cache takes nearly identical amount of time. Seems to me that performance is adequate.

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    25. Re:Keep 'em coming... by jonadab · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > Why do so many people find the word "suite" to be synonymous with
      > "monolithic app"?

      Because most of the components of the suite are not available as *birds yet.
      Navigator (if the browser itself is all you use) can be replaced with Firebird,
      and the truly adventurous can replace Messenger with Thunderbird, and Composer
      (which to me was never useful anyway) is I *think* available as a Thunderbird
      extension, but that's about it. Sunbird last I checked is so far a non-starter,
      and then there are the other components... where are they in the *bird series?
      They remain... unimplemented. Okay, I think DOM inspector is available as a
      Firebird extension, but then you can only use it to inspect Firebird; you
      cannot, for example, use it to look at the Thunderbird XUL (for theming
      purposes). So, basically, the *birds are still lacking that.

      It's not the monolithicity of SeaMonkey that keeps people using it; it's the
      fact that it's essentially *complete* (well, except for Messenger, which is
      still missing quite a number of critical features, but that's another thread).
      The *birds are still very alpha; there are whole *categories* of features
      that nobody has even *looked* at implementing in them yet.

      If all you want is the browser, Firebird can be used as a replacement for
      Navigator (though to get the full functionality of Navigator you have to
      install about twenty extensions and a small handful of minor things are
      still not up to snuff), but if you use the SeaMonkey whole suite, there is
      no non-monolithic replacement available yet from Mozilla.org.

      That is why people continue to use SeaMonkey.

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    26. Re:Keep 'em coming... by Vincman · · Score: 2, Informative

      goto your current firebird-profile and create or edit a file called: user.js

      enter this:

      // This one makes a huge difference. Last value in milliseconds (default is 250)
      user_pref("nglayout.initialpaint.delay", 0);

      in the file and save it.

      Other speed-improving tweaks to be added to the same file are:

      // Enable pipelining:
      user_pref("network.http.pipelining", true);
      user_pref("network.http.proxy.pipelining", true);
      user_pref("network.http.pipelining.maxrequests", 100);

      // turn on timer-based reflow management
      user_pref("content.notify.ontimer", true);

      // sets the allowed time between reflows in microseconds
      user_pref("content.notify.interval", 100);

      // set the number of reflows to do before waiting for the rest of the page to arrive
      user_pref("content.notify.backoffcount", 200);

      More tips, extensions and themes for firebird can be found on http://texturizer.net/firebird/

  2. Any news on AmiZilla? by Amiga+Lover · · Score: 4, Funny

    How are efforts in AmiZilla going? Is the Amiga Mozilla port any closer?

    1. Re:Any news on AmiZilla? by mios · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sorry ... the developers moved over the the ComiZilla project ... they figured the port to the Commodore-64 would be more useful.

    2. Re:Any news on AmiZilla? by StarWreck · · Score: 2, Informative

      That seems to be highly doubtful, the Commodore 64 only has a 1MHz 6510 processor and 64K ram, upgradeable to a 20MHz SuperCPU with 16mb ram. The Amiga on the other hand can be upgraded to Dual Processors (233MHz PPC and 50MHz 68K) with an additional 128mb of ram. Hell, if you're feeling extra giddy you can even get an additional SharkPPC accelerator that gives you an extra 450MHz G4 processor and AGP graphics(9800 XT anyone?). Just in case you were wondering, all 3 processors can process seperate threads at the exact same time. Isn't that amazing? Yep, the Amiga's dead all right.

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    3. Re:Any news on AmiZilla? by lortho · · Score: 2, Informative

      A lot of people don't realize that this actually is half-serious... the foundation originally offered about $4000 to anyone who could successfully port Mozilla to the Amiga, and the sum has steadily grown since.

    4. Re:Any news on AmiZilla? by Saven+Marek · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey give the guy a break. All he's saying is his machine isn't 10 years out of date like everyone else thinks

      it's only 5 years out of date!

  3. Where is 2.0?? by smd4985 · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is all good and well, but I'm looking forward to Mozilla 2.0, which will integrate the superior FireBird and ThunderBird.

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  4. Am I the only one... by revmoo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who has been tempted to do a string replace on the mozilla source, replacing all instances of 'mozilla' with 'mozirra'? :-)

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    1. Re:Am I the only one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, if you're going to do it, at least get it right...

      MOJIRA!!!

    2. Re:Am I the only one... by el-spectre · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Godzilla" is a poor translation to english. The original japanese name sounded like "Gojira". It's entirely possible the dude was playing on that.

      Ah, the courage and wisdom of AC.

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    3. Re:Am I the only one... by Onan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, to be really pedantic, there isn't a sound that maps directly to either the English R or L, there's a single sound that's about halfway in between the two. Hence the tendency of Japanese speakers to swap them in both directions; to someone who has spoken only Japanese, it seems like an arcane distinction between two tiny variants of the same sound.

      Romanji tends to transcribe the sound as R, but they're both equally accurate.

    4. Re:Am I the only one... by bugbread · · Score: 2, Informative

      Time for me to be pedantic: romaji, not romanji. But good post.

    5. Re:Am I the only one... by jesser · · Score: 3, Funny
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    6. Re:Am I the only one... by fbg111 · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's also no "zi" sound; that's pronounced as "ji" even though it is occasionally written "zi."

      Actually there's no "ji" sound either. Again, the Japanese pronunciation doesn't map to any English syllable. In English, we say "ji" with our tongue at the roof of our mouth. In Japanese they say it with their tongue at the very front of their mouth, right behind their front teeth gums. It sounds more like a mix of the English sounds "zi" and "ji". The Hepburn romanization uses the letters "ji" to denote this mora (one beat, roughly equivalent to a syllable), but because of that, every English speaker who learned Japanese under that system is speaking with a gaizin accent.

      Newer systems such as the Jordan romanization (Eleanor Harz Jordan) attempt to correct this problem by using the letters "zi" to represent the mora, but with the disclaimer that "zi" is not the correct sound either and is only used to remind learners not to say "ji". The correct sound is actually a combination of "zi" and "ji" pronounced with the tongue at the front of the mouth.

      Once you understand that, then it doesn't really matter how you romanize "Mozilla", whether it's "mojira" or "mozira", since you know that in this case neither mora "zi" nor "ji" is a phonetic spelling, but rather a symbolic representation of a sound that doesn't exist in English. The spelling only matters as a reminder for learners who have not yet mastered the new sound.

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  5. awesome by McAddress · · Score: 3, Funny

    I see the browser wars being rekindled. oops, never mind, those are the flames being thrown at me.

    1. Re:awesome by PReDiToR · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The browser wars have already been won.

      FireBird has beaten IE and we are just waiting for the inertia to bury the old stalwart.

      Are you telling me that you aren't waiting with baited breath for tonights nightly 0.8 build that really says 0.7+ in it?
      The fact that there are nightly builds and every week a couple of builds optimised for Athlon/P4 or older processors should entice you to at least try it, free of charge, and see if it actually works for you.

      Most people that have tried it are still trying it, and a fair number of us have it as default browser.

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    2. Re:awesome by spacecowboy420 · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's plausible, he is the

      "PReDiToR"

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    3. Re:awesome by TechnoPops · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Firebird has won the browser wars? That's quite the statement to say, since it seems IE still has a good ~85% chunk of the market. I think it still needs to carve quite a big piece out of Microsoft's share before we can start claiming any victories.

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    4. Re:awesome by PReDiToR · · Score: 2, Informative

      Thank you AC, I stand corrected and have every intention of remembering this lesson.
      Please, log in and say hi, so I can add you to my friends list. It would be interesting to see if you can teach me anything else.

      bate1 (P) Pronunciation Key (bt)
      tr.v. bated, bating, bates
      1. To lessen the force or intensity of; moderate: To his dying day he bated his breath a little when he told the story (George Eliot). See Usage Note at bait1.
      2. To take away; subtract.

      [Middle English baten, short for abaten. See abate.]
      Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

      bated

      \Bat"ed\, a. Reduced; lowered; restrained; as, to speak with bated breath. --Macaulay.


      Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.
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  6. Fantastic! by PovRayMan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Another release of Mozilla is a great thing, but I've been personally more interested in Firebird / Thunderbird. As we all know Mozilla will eventually fully break up into the seperate projects, and my interest is completely oriented on the progress of Firebird / Thunderbird.

    Firebird is a great browser about to hit 0.8 and stepping closer towards the great 1.0 release that took Mozilla years to obtain. Thunderbird is still in need of lots of work, but the progress is fantastic and I exclusively use it even in its immature state.

    For the Mozilla devs who browse /., thanks for all your hard work in making free software that suits my wants and needs. Keep up the great work!

    1. Re:Fantastic! by HanzoSpam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Firebird is a great browser about to hit 0.8 and stepping closer towards the great 1.0 release that took Mozilla years to obtain.

      Well, yeah, but you have to consider Firebird uses the Gecko rendering engine, the same as Mozilla. Having a pre-written rendering engine wasn't an advantage enjoyed by Mozilla.

      Thunderbird is still in need of lots of work, but the progress is fantastic and I exclusively use it even in its immature state.

      I've been using it across Linux, Windows, and MacOS X, and I haven't had a single problem with it. I'm not really sure how much more work it needs, since it seems pretty clean of bugs, unless they're planning on adding some more features.

      I hope not. Creeping featuritis has been the death of too many fine pieces of software that were fine just the way they were.

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    2. Re:Fantastic! by Phleg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Having a pre-written rendering engine wasn't an advantage enjoyed by Mozilla.

      *ahem* Netscape ring any bells?

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  7. 200l 700 by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can't believe that development is still chugging along with Mozilla despite the fairly recent dismemberment of Netscape's Mozilla team.

    I just hope that can get XUL to become a cross-platform standard for web applications. Some people don't mind using web interfaces, but I would prefer an application that looks like a real application (native widgets and all) wherever possible.

    Are you a web coder? What are you waiting for? Start using XUL!

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    1. Re:200l 700 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Are you a web coder? What are you waiting for?"

      Users to stop using IE.

    2. Re:200l 700 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've been toying with XUL for a while now and am cozing up with 'Rapid Application Development with Mozilla'. Fantasic read, but the one thing that really sticks in my craw is the total lack of organized documentation.

      The *only* way a 'platform'/language will be widely adopted is by making it accessible to Joe Coder. Just take a look at PHP, it's not always the best language, but has a *huge* user base, primarily because it's well documented.

      Yes, there are now thousands of 'developers' writing crappy code, but dammit, at least they're pushing it to their clients, friends, family the neighbour's dog. Evangelism (sic) is the root of success.

      Leo

    3. Re:200l 700 by Daengbo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would love to. I spent a week of nights trying to do exactly that. I don't live in an English speaking country, and the only docs that I could get about XUL appear to be from a milestone.
      Half of the stuff I tried wouldn't work because the syntax has changed. I can't spend six months tracking down and sorting through which version of XUL this doc is, and if it will help me or not before I even get to really start working on my app.
      Mod me down for saying something bad about moz if you want, but I really wanted to do my next stuff in XUL, but I could barely get off first base with it, much less finish a product in my off-work hours.

  8. Mozilla Growing by lukior · · Score: 4, Interesting

    All slashdot readers know about the benefits of Mozilla but I am happy to see some more mainstream magazines giving props to the browser. I noticed it won some magazines comparo of browsers for the end of 2003. Perhaps this is due to the fact that we keep seeing improvements in Mozilla while it seems like IE has been a stagnant product for some time.

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    1. Re:Mozilla Growing by Joseph+Lam · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ya, most ppl out there that I met don't know what's 'Mozilla' nor its relation with Netscape the browser. Most companies still build IE only websites, some better ones build IE+Netscape, but Mozilla still remains to be the 'underground'.

      More promotions, either by the press or by us /. readers are important.

    2. Re:Mozilla Growing by bunratty · · Score: 3, Informative
      Most companies still build IE only websites, some better ones build IE+Netscape
      It's rare for me to visit a web site that doesn't work perfectly or near perfectly in Mozilla. Today I ran across one for the first time in about a year. It uses document.all for navigation, which means that users must be running IE or Opera and also must have JavaScript enabled for links to work. When the developers finally realize that over 20% of visitors can't navigate their site, I think they'll quickly fix it.
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    3. Re:Mozilla Growing by Chester+K · · Score: 2, Informative

      When the developers finally realize that over 20% of visitors can't navigate their site

      I think you added an extra 0 that doesn't belong in that percentage value of people who don't use IE.

      As popular as Mozilla, Firebird, Opera, Konqueror, and whatever other browsers are popular here on Slashdot, all of them combined are but a mere speck on the overall landscape.... Konqueror less so than others since Apple adopted it.

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  9. But No One's mentioned the most important feature by Hal+The+Computer · · Score: 4, Informative
    As listed in the Release notes mozilla's greatest feature yet:
    One step closer to the kitchen sink, about:about has been implemented. Typing about:about in the address field will give the user a nice list of available about:s.
    By the way, if you haven't yet, if you use mozilla, you need to check out about:mozilla
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  10. Mozilla as a platform by Linus+Sixpack · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd love to hear more about mozilla as a platform. Java\python and open office integration is happening , I just dont think that it gets enough press.

    Mozilla is easily the easiest open source project I've been able to implement, its that good.

    IE is so dangerous that its not worth the integration -- even my users are beginning to get that.

    sl

  11. Cool.. what about SVG? by Wheaty18 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm currently running the Windows version of Mozilla 1.5 over IE. I recently downloaded the SVG-enabled version of Mozilla, and it's pretty neat. Any ideas when SVG support will be officially merged into the Mozilla stable tree?

    1. Re:Cool.. what about SVG? by khanyisa · · Score: 5, Informative

      Have a look at the svg project page (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/svg/) Basically, not for quite a while yet, but feel free to help out!

  12. use the mirrors by a.koepke · · Score: 5, Informative

    When downloading this you should have a look at the mirrors list and find one near you.

    http://www.mozilla.org/mirrors.html

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  13. Re:But No One's mentioned the most important featu by obotics · · Score: 2, Informative

    Better yet, check out about:mozilla in Internet Explorer ;-)

  14. Who uses the suite? by Trillan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just curious, who uses the suite instead of Firebird/Thunderbird... and why?

    I prefer the individual applications, primarily due to launch speed, but also due to what I think is a superior interface of components in the components-as-apps approach vs. the components-in-suite approach.

    1. Re:Who uses the suite? by antdude · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I like to have my email, newsgroups, and browser running at all time.

      Also, Prefbar only seems to work with Mozilla. :(

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    2. Re:Who uses the suite? by mixmasta · · Score: 2


      It does everything I want, the way I want. I have the all the prefs set just how I like 'em. For example turning off the icons on the toolbar and showing only text buttons. I don't really need firebird's pretty icons. =)

      I run mozilla for weeks at a time, launch speed is irrelevant. The only thing firebird offers me is less features and more bugs. No thanks.

      I've been waiting for years for mozilla to be finished, and I'm not going back to another half finished browser and mail ever again. Call me up when *bird reaches 2.0, and I'll take a look.

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    3. Re:Who uses the suite? by Prof.Phreak · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I was using Mozilla (the whole package) for a while. Then sometime last summer I switched to using Firebird/Thunderbird, and then about a month ago I switched back to plain Mozilla. Here's why:

      Most of the time I have a browser and e-mail open anyway, so why have 2 applications open when you can have one? Also, Mozilla, as it is, is far less buggy than Firebird/Thunderbird. I've encountered some really annoying bugs that just annoyed the hell out of me. Also, does anyone really notice the startup speed? (I haven't. I compile Mozilla with all the optimizations, etc., and I really don't see any `speed' difference between this and Firebird).

      Now, on my Windows machine, I do use Firebird, but that's simply because I have no need for e-mail there.

      (also, the occasional need for ChatZilla makes one more useful than the other).

      So as far as I'm concerned, I hope they still keep the intergrated package alive later.

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    4. Re:Who uses the suite? by snake_dad · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I like the Mozilla user interface better, and the preferences section too. In Firebird many things are being dumbed down, and to get the same functionality as in Mozilla you need to download and install several extensions, that may or may not work. And then do the same thing with each update :-/ Mozilla gives me one single archive to download, extract, copy plugins over, (make backup of profile directory just in case) and run.

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    5. Re:Who uses the suite? by Error27 · · Score: 2

      I like the idea of breaking things up from a technical/development/organizational standpoint but I don't like firebird UI.

      I like the way the middle click opens a new window in Mozilla, and I don't like tabs. Currently I have 8 browser windows open, my xchat window is open, I have 4 eterm windows open and 4 random windows minimized. That's because I was shutting down for the day and exited a bunch of applications.

      My window manager is set up so that I can take advantage of Fitt's Law to switch between windows quickly. Tabs do not take advantage of Fitt's law so they are slow by default, but after you have a lot of windows open they become unmanageable.

      Most people do not have a good window manager like mine so switching between windows is slow and confusing. In that case, tabs make a lot of sense.

  15. Mirrors by DerOle · · Score: 3, Informative

    Find a mirror here as the main download server is already dead.

  16. The Mozilla Roadmap? by 110010001000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The roadmap has implied for some time that 1.4 was the last unified (XPFE) Mozilla-based release. 1.5-1.6 was supposed to be the Firebird transition period, during which Mozilla-the-unified-browser was supplanted by Thunderbird and Firebird. Perhaps that was too ambitious, and they've changed their mind, but the roadmap still indicates otherwise.

    What's the deal? It really looks like the new roadmap is "build in all the features people REALLY bitch about into XPFE Mozilla, then once Firebird/Thunderbird is more stable, we'll transition to those". I'm fine with that, but shouldn't they just come out and say it?

  17. Why are people still using IE? Firebird rocks. by nmoog · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    I personally hated Netscape (5+) and equally disliked Mozilla. Mostly because they were ugly as hell, took up half the screen with huge buttons and ran like shit. I really truly prefered (and would still prefer IE)
    Then I installed Firebird. It is browser heaven! I cant believe self confessed nerds would even consider starting IE after they made, or even installed their first Firebird extention... "Click to view flash objects" plugin - fucking hell, my eyes have stopped hurting when I browse now...
    THe only reason 80%+ of slashdotters use IE is because they've never tried Firebird.
    Forget IE, Opera, Netscape, Mozilla. They aren't suited to your average joe, let alone us nerds. Get Firebird NOW!

    1. Re:Why are people still using IE? Firebird rocks. by rsborg · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Firebird has a number of thigns that are good but the last time i tried it out (.6 iirc) it was still.. lacking in certain areas.

      Note: Firebird is meant to be a stripped down browser, but extensible for those who want additional functionality. Thus, I will refer you to many extensions you need to install.

      1.) When a link has a target=_blank it opens a new browser instead of a new tab. Cannot express how much this annoys me.

      Get Tabbrowswer Extensions

      2.) You cannot save a series of tabs to always open everytime you restart the browser.

      Again, Tabbrowser Extensions

      3.) Can't disable gif animation.

      Several ways to do this, but my favorite is the Things they left out extension. Adds in some missing 'zilla pref pages.

      4.) Cannot turn on the tab bar by default or always have it on

      Can't help you here, don't know what you mean.

      5.) Doesn't have zoom feature or a "always use my stylesheet" feature like opera (this is incredibly handy when dealing with sites that insist on impossible-to-read-text)

      You can hack your stylesheets, but I'm sure there's an extension or bookmarklet that allows you to override your stylesheet.

      6.) cannot change it's indentity like you can in Opera to, say, IE 6.xx -- this is becoming less and less of a deal as fewer websites I go to at least "require" IE 6.x.

      Check out User Agent Switcher, or a number of other extensions that change your UA.

      HTH

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  18. Re:Must... restrain... by mfago · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You've forgotten the best part about using Firebird & Thunderbird:

    your email program doesn't crash when your browser does.

    Moz itself doesn't crash that often, but plugins brought it down several times per day for me. A serious flaw in the design IMHO.

  19. Re:Mozilla and popups by Photon+Ghoul · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most people stick with what they are used to. Even when pop-up blocking is given as a feature of Mozilla to users that suffer from excessive pop-up ads, most still seem to prefer using the IE (or Windows?) add-ons that stop them.

    Side-thought: I have no experience with IE pop-up blockers, but it would seem like a very effective method for spreading malware. Maybe that's just the old tin-foil hat I'm feeling.

  20. Re:But No One's mentioned the most important featu by ryanjensen · · Score: 2, Interesting
    When "about:mozilla" is typed into Firebird's address bar (and I quote):

    "And so at last the beast fell and the unbelievers rejoiced. But all was not lost, for from the ash rose a great bird. The bird gazed down upon the unbelievers and cast fire and thunder upon them. For the beast had been reborn with its strength renewed, and the followers of Mammon cowered in horror."

    from The Book of Mozilla, 7:15

    WTF is that?

  21. I don't understand their QA process by pterry · · Score: 3, Interesting
    On 2003-06-01 I submitted a bug report (see my mirror if bugzilla doesn't let you follow a link from slashdot). I read the bug reporting guidelines and did all the right things. I created a stripped-down test case and attached it, adding the keyword "testcase". I set the Severity to Major since I think it's somewhat serious (see for yourself). The bug got confirmed by a QA person... and then ignored. There have been several releases since then (final, non-beta releases), and my bug has remained.

    What I'd like to know is: why are releases made with known Major bugs, and what does it take for a bug to get seen to and not sit in Bugzilla, ignored? It has certainly made me feel that there is little point in reporting any further bugs. Could someone explain Mozilla's QA process to me?

    1. Re:I don't understand their QA process by maggotbrain_777 · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you are running one of their interim builds, there is a QA menu item built-in which details the QA process and other sordid details(i.e. how to submit a bug, daily CVS checkin status, etc.). Otherwise you can read more about the moz QA process here Mozzila QA Home Page

    2. Re:I don't understand their QA process by bunratty · · Score: 2, Insightful
      why are releases made with known Major bugs, and what does it take for a bug to get seen to and not sit in Bugzilla, ignored
      If the next release of Mozilla had to wait until all known major bugs were fixed, it might be years until that next release. The chances are that almost no one experiences or notices that particular bug, or even if someone else does notice it there are more serious bugs they experience. As you can see, no one has voted for the bug to be fixed and no one else has complained that it's a problem.

      I've reported dozens of bugs over my three years of using Mozilla, and about half of those bugs (mainly the more serious ones that others have voted for) have been fixed. In one case, I fixed the bug myself just a week or two after I reported it. Unless you fix it yourself or get some indication that others think it's serious, it will likely be years before your pet bug is fixed. There are just too many other bugs that are more important.

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    3. Re:I don't understand their QA process by BZ · · Score: 2, Informative

      The problem here, quite frankly, is that this is a Windows-only bug and requires someone familiar with Windows and its resource issues to look at it. Most of the core developers don't know much about that stuff (in fact, I think most of them develop on Linux at this point....)

  22. Mozilla is great, but I stopped using it today... by DaedalusLogic · · Score: 4, Informative

    Because Firebird plays nicely "out of the box" so to speak with MS Outlook, and my customers want that. I know it's a horrible notion to some the overall goal is to convert folks on using these pieces of OSS has to be gentle and user friendly. Business users get Firebird suggested to them and home users Mozilla. I haven't touched IE for daily browsing in a couple years now thanks to these awesome browsers.

  23. Re:Why the need to uninstall onld versions to upgr by falsification · · Score: 3, Informative
    That is not quite right

    If you plan to install 1.6 to the same subdirectory in which you have 1.2, yes, you should uninstall 1.2 before installing 1.6.

    If you plan to install 1.6 to a brand spanking new subdirectory, you need not uninstall 1.2. You should always use different profiles for different versions of Mozilla.

    BTW, you should uninstall 1.2 anyway. It has major bugs. In terms of stability, version 1.4.1, for instance, is to 1.2 as a granite rock is to gray goo.

  24. IE6 users.. by zcat_NZ · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you're running Internet Explorer, you can upgrade to Mozilla 1.6 here

    (If you're not running IE, you won't see anything. My redirect exploits the ^A bug and uses IE conditional comments to make it look like an official MS page for downloading Mozilla)

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    1. Re:IE6 users.. by zcat_NZ · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I got the idea after seeing (in my inbox) a phishing email for "http://westpack.com.au^A@{some.ip}"

      Took me about an hour to edit the microsoft page for Mozilla-1.5 and get it working, and then hack the redirect so my homepage still validates. It took me 2 minutes from noticing Moz1.6 was out, editing the page with the new information, and posting the link here.

      If Microsoft sends me a C&D, I'm not sure what I'll do. I don't really have any assets or income worth sueing for but I guess that's never stopped them before.

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  25. Re:You don't need TORRENT links by mhesseltine · · Score: 2, Informative

    Read the intro to Bittorrent and then understand why torrent links were requested.

    BitTorrent does not always equal warez/moviez/gamez/etc. This would be a prime example of a legitimate use for the software.

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  26. Re:It doesn't work for me by cribb · · Score: 3, Informative

    if you,re on linux, tip: delete your ~/.mozilla, make sure you backup your bookmarks and all your other profile stuff, since it's all stored there. that should convince 1.6 to work.

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  27. NTLM and Proxy Server by falsification · · Score: 4, Informative
    If you have Microsoft Proxy Server or some other NTLM proxy at work or wherever, take a good hard look at 1.6. It's the first Mozilla version to have a built-in NTLM solution.

    For the first time, Mozilla will work on many corporate networks.

  28. Top posting is bad by FattMattP · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Another frequently requested MailNews feature, a preference for placing the user's signature above the quoted text, has been added.
    Nooooo! Argh, this will only encourage top-posting.
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    1. Re:Top posting is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      Top posting is a life-style choice.

      Nooooo! Argh, this will only encourage top-posting.

    2. Re:Top posting is bad by bunnyman · · Score: 2, Funny

      STFU. kthx bye.

      -----Original Message-----

      > Nooooo! Argh, this will only encourage top-posting.

      -----Original Message-----

      > > Another frequently requested MailNews feature,
      > > a preference for placing the user's signature
      > > above the quoted text, has been added.

    3. Re:Top posting is bad by groomed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I used to think top posting was bad. I would go as far as to painstakingly reformat the Outlook mails people were sending me. Sometimes the topic would come up between me and a collegue or friend, and I would explain to them that top posting is bad because it destroys the flow of the discussion, making it harder to follow and less useful.

      Over the years, however, I met more and more people, and got a lot more mail, with less and less technical content. It became a hassle to correct all their posts, not to mention to repeat the same arguments over and over again. After a while I found myself top posting, as well.

      Not all people think alike, and I came to realize my reasonable, rational arguments mostly just served to control the way other people expressed themselves -- i.e., so that they would express themselves more like myself.

      Rules such as "top posting destroys the flow of conversation, yadda yadda yadda" aren't the result of some irrefutable process by which the ideal posting format has been established -- they're the exact opposite: they serve as a starting point to find fault with the way other people choose to communicate.

    4. Re:Top posting is bad by Chris+Brewer · · Score: 2, Funny

      I agree, top-posting is bad.

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      Another frequently requested MailNews feature, a preference for placing the user's signature above the quoted text, has been added.

      Nooooo! Argh, this will only encourage top-posting.

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    5. Re:Top posting is bad by ChaosDiscord · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Not all people think alike, and I came to realize my reasonable, rational arguments mostly just served to control the way other people expressed themselves -- i.e., so that they would express themselves more like myself.

      I trust you're equally as accepting of those people who choose to WRITE IN ALL CAPS, or abbrvt lik u r txt mssging, or 3N463 1N 4 B17 0F 1337? (and I've seen all three by email, the first two in business email). Some forms of expression are irritating to receive and just stupid. Where you put quoted text isn't even some deep expression of your personality and life choices. It's just a freaking quotation.

      Quoting text for context is an old idea with well understood techniques. Most people were taught how to do it in high school You block quote things inline, much like I've done your text. You trim to the bare minimum so readers don't waste their time with useless junk.

      Ultimately it's a matter of being polite to your recipient. You value their time, don't you? So send them a bare minimum. And for those cases where they need lots of context in the form of previous messages, top posting is an amazingly crude and rude solution. I have a powerful, modern email client for a reason. I thread my messages to keep track of context and have powerful searching and filtering capabilities. Putting the entire conversation in a single message throws that entire system away and leaves me with a stupid giant list of text, sorted in reverse historical order with signatures, Yahoo ads, and headers all intermingled. It's a mess. If I need those messages as context, forward the lot of them to me with as little mangling as possible (often called something like "bounce"). Now my powerful email client can do smart things to help keep me sane.

      Ultimately not top-posting is about not being rude to your recipients. Top posting says, "I'm lazy, and this is easiest way for me to provide context you may or may not need. I don't care that it's less convient to you, my time is more valuable than yours."

    6. Re:Top posting is bad by WuphonsReach · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A truly useful extension would be one that would work on the receiver's end and move top-posts to the bottom, or bottom-posts to the top (whichever way the receiver prefers to see it). So regardless of how the poster did it, you'd see it in your preferred method.

      I know... technically difficult, but even if it only handled the simple cases...

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    7. Re:Top posting is bad by groomed · · Score: 4, Insightful
      For better or worse, most people don't work the way you describe. I like to spend time writing clear and concise emails, but most people don't. What's more, my effort is completely lost on them, and sometimes it even strikes them as pedantic/weird/irrelevant.
      Ultimately not top-posting is about not being rude to your recipients. Top posting says, "I'm lazy, and this is easiest way for me to provide context you may or may not need. I don't care that it's less convient to you, my time is more valuable than yours."
      This just underscores my point. You have an elaborate system, and you want people to conform. What you need to understand is that they are under no obligation to do so whatsoever.
    8. Re:Top posting is bad by Aldurn · · Score: 2, Funny

      And what's wrong with that?

      >> Another frequently requested MailNews feature, a preference for placing
      >>the user's signature above the quoted text, has been added.
      >
      >Nooooo! Argh, this will only encourage top-posting.

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    9. Re:Top posting is bad by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yeah, I hate it too, except that the owner of my company polite corrected my habit of interleaved posting by informing me that it made my emails hard to read and archive.

      It didn't make any sense to me, either, but he's the guy that signs my paycheck, and I'm not in a position to respond in any way other than "yes, sir".

      So my work account defaults to top-posting. My personal account, on the other hand, is set correctly.

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  29. Re:Anybody have torrent links? by f0rt0r · · Score: 2, Informative

    Edonkey has it. :) I actually use emule on Windows XP to access the Overture ( I think that is the name) network. Lots of legal stuff there. Plenty.

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  30. Re:Worth upgrading? by welshsocialist · · Score: 2, Informative

    There was a bug in the 1.4-1.5 timeframe with rising GDI levels caused Mozilla to fail. I'm thinking you were effected. See Mozilla Bug 204374 and this thread at Antony Shen's forums.

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  31. Re:Mozilla and popups by nighty5 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Google Bar is a most excellent way to curb the abusive use of popups, whilst still providing you the flexibility to customise against trusted URLs.
    Also has a neat Google search.
    Win32 Only.

  32. Re:But No One's mentioned the most important featu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
    It was just recently updated. Here are two prior quotations from The Book of Mozilla:

    And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall be increased a thousand thousand fold. The din of a million keyboards like unto a great storm shall cover the earth, and the followers of Mammon shall tremble.
    from The Book of Mozilla, 3:31 (Red Letter Edition)

    And the beast shall come forth surrounded by a roiling cloud of vengeance. The house of the unbelievers shall be razed and they shall be scorched to the earth. Their tags shall blink until the end of days.
    from The Book of Mozilla, 12:10

    It's a running gag type of easter egg.
  33. Re:Not bad by hendridm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You know how in Internet Explorer and Firebird you can type a word (like 'google') and hit Control+Enter, it will convert 'google' to 'http://www.google.com'. I like that feature. Sure, you can just type 'google' and hit enter while it tries to figure out what you mean, but Control+Enter shaves precious seconds off of the load time. In Firebird, there's also Shift+Enter and Ctrl+Shift+Enter too, but I don't use those. IE only has the Control+Enter feature. But Mozilla lacks all of them!

  34. Posting from Firebird/Win2K... by frostman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here I post from Firebird/Win2K, and for what it's worth:

    1. Firebird crashes about twice a week, and I have to kill the process before I can relaunch.

    2. Sometimes my Bookmarks Toolbar icons mysteriously disappear, only to be regenerated when I revisit the sites.

    3. Handling of unknown character sets is a Bad Joke.

    4. Plug-in loading is pretty spotty.

    5. There is no obvious indicator of Javascript errors on sites; I have to open the JS console when I suspect an error.

    6. It's kinda slow to start on my slower computer (TransMeta 800Mhz), though it's snappy on my faster one (Duron 1.2Ghz).

    7. It's still the best browser I've ever used, and I would tear out my hair if I had to live without it.

    Go Firebird!!

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  35. Firebird.. by xankar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Should be prepackaged with various popular plugins like Flash and Shockwave.

    I've reccomended firebird to all of my windows-using, non tech-savvy friends and they love it, but they wouldn't have done it without my encouragement because it was such a pain to redownload so many plugins.

    People are lazy. Lazy people buy(in the loose sense of the word, since the software's free) convenience.

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    1. Re:Firebird.. by bwalling · · Score: 2, Informative

      One of the big pains with Firebird (on Windows) is Java. You have to add a registry entry to get the Java plug in working. Not good for the end user.

  36. Re:Mozilla and popups by Trelane · · Score: 2, Interesting

    that's an option in "preferences". It doesn't come enabled by default, but it's there.

    Also, a very nice thing about tabs (aside from being able to collect tabs in a window by topic) is bookmarking tab groups; all the documentation you want at your fingertips and at the click of a button.

    FWIW, I have 3 monitors, and still use tabs; they're just so danged useful.

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  37. Eolas and Mozilla? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 5, Informative

    I submitted this story today, but as usual, since I am not a friend of the /. Editors, they shot it down big time (within minutes of when I submitted it), but I'm not bitter (that's a joke, OK?)! The guy from Eolas who brought the action against Microsoft about his browser patent, is in talks with "major Linux players." In fact, according to the eWeek story (rejected by /.), he's an Open Source contributor. Read between the lines, because this bodes VERY well for Mozilla. While W3 and Microsoft are hemming and hawing about what this kind of patent meant to them, and it means something very bad for Internet Explorer, I suspect Mozilla will not be a target. Perhaps it's wishful thinking, but "what if" this guy is into Open Source, and saw a nice way to screw MS? I know, "so what, he still has a patent for something that is obvious and should not be patented." Well, my position is just the same as with SCO / IMB. Lessor of two evils, and my enemies' enemy is my friend (for now).

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    1. Re:Eolas and Mozilla? by StrawberryFrog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Read between the lines, because this bodes VERY well for Mozilla. While W3 and Microsoft are hemming and hawing about what this kind of patent meant to them, and it means something very bad for Internet Explorer, I suspect Mozilla will not be a target.

      A dumb patent is a dumb patent, and should be overturned as a matter of principle, no matter who it advantages tactically. Dumb patents in general are a threat to open source. Actually, they are a threat to anyone wanting to make good software.

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  38. And any moment now.... by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 4, Informative

    As outlined in the Mozilla project roadmap , the Mozilla Firebird browser will eventually replace the Seamonkey browser as the premiere end-user browser from mozilla.org. As part of the journey towards that goal, from milestone 0.7 onward Firebird 0.x releases will occur at the same time (or approximately the same time). Firebird Roadmap

    Yes, you heard it right. This release of Mozilla is significant ALSO in that it heralds an impending release of FireBird.

    Of course, Firebird 0.8 was due out December 2003, so we're overdue for that anyways.

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  39. Branch build by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They should release a branch build without the overhead of image blocking, now that the Internet's favorite site is no more.

  40. Re:But No One's mentioned the most important featu by ocelotbob · · Score: 4, Informative
    A rough interpretation:
    And so at last the beast fell and the unbelievers rejoiced.
    AOL's killing of the netscape brand as a web browser, and the subsequent laying off of the dev team.
    But all was not lost, for from the ash rose a great bird. The bird gazed down upon the unbelievers and cast fire and thunder upon them.
    The rebirth of the Mozilla project as a non-profit and the rebirth of Mozilla as separate browser and mail components.
    For the beast had been reborn with its strength renewed, and the followers of Mammon cowered in horror.
    Ph33r Mozilla ;3 .
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  41. Re:NTLM and Proxy Server by thegrommit · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you have Microsoft Proxy Server or some other NTLM proxy at work or wherever, take a good hard look at 1.6. It's the first Mozilla version to have a built-in NTLM solution.

    It's been available in Windows builds for quite a while (since at least 1.4). The key difference is that the new method is cross-platform.

  42. Re:$ TMPDIR=/my/new/temp mozilla by dedazo · · Score: 2, Insightful
    That's like saying IE is OK because I installed the Google toolbar to block popups.

    We're always so fast to make excuses for shortcomings in open source products yet woe the commercial one that has a bug for it is "teh sux".

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  43. Bad for YOU, maybe. by pclminion · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Saying "top posting is bad" is like saying "EMACS is better than vi." A matter of opinion ONLY.

    Bottom-posting is more useful to outsiders to the discussion, since they can follow the temporal flow of response and reply. However, top-posting is more convenient for those enagaging in the discussion, since they presumably already know who's saying what, and therefore it's better to have the most up-to-date information at the TOP. They can scroll down to get context if necessary.

    Please, don't turn top-posting into yet ANOTHER religious issue... We don't need more of them.

    1. Re:Bad for YOU, maybe. by ChaosDiscord · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Any sort of "quote the entire freaking message I'm replying to" is wrong, be it "Microsoft spits on your pathetic standards" top-posting, or "AOL Me-Tooer" bottom-posting. Both are wrong, wrong, wrong.

      Only quote the bare minimum necessary to maintain context. If someone needs the entire prior conversation, forward them the entire conversation, ideally using "bounce" or similar feature so that they have access to individual messages and can have their email client do intelligent things like threading with it.

    2. Re:Bad for YOU, maybe. by Lars+Arvestad · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Saying "top posting is bad" is like saying "EMACS is better than vi." A matter of opinion ONLY.

      Yeah, but how many users do you think actually has an opinion on this? 99.99 % of the bottom-quoted email I get is there because their email program encourages it, not because they think it is convenient.

      Bottom-posting is more useful to outsiders to the discussion, since they can follow the temporal flow of response and reply.

      I don't think bottom-quoting help with the temporal flow at all! You have to start at the bottom and guess at what people are referring to. With the top-quoted emails it is much more common to people actually breaking the quotations up and responding to the sentences/paragraphs that actually matters. At least in my circles: I guess it varies with your community.

      I also think that there is a larger risk with bottom-quoting that inappropriate information gets passed on. I don't have an anecdote or so, but I have long been curious about what insults and copmany secrets that have been forwarded this way!

      What it really comes down to is that there is not much support for quotations in most email programs. The only app I know about where your MTA actually gives you a little bit of control is in Emacs, both VM and Gnus, where there is an add-on called SuperCite. Really nifty utility.

      I'd like to see a edit mode where you can move parts of quotations in and out of emails as units. Mozilla Mail has some help in marking what is a quote, but it is all text based in the end. I would like to see the quotes as little widgets.

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  44. Courier IMAP mailbox view finally fixed by iceT · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm so happy, I could just SPIT.

    IMAP servers like Courier that store everything under INBOX (INBOX. namespace) FINALLY get displayed as a flat tree structure!

    Thank you, Mozilla Team!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

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    -- You can't idiot-proof anything, because they're always coming out with better idiots.
  45. Middle-posting by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    However, top-posting is more convenient for those enagaging in the discussion

    In my e-mail messages, Usenet posts, and message board posts, I prefer middle-posting: trim down the quoted context and insert a response to each point immediately after each piece of quoted context. I have written this very comment in middle-posting style.

    it's better to have the most up-to-date information at the TOP.

    In a proper middle-posting reply, the first piece of "most up-to-date information" will typically appear above the fold (definition) because the poster has trimmed the context.

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  46. Ask Jeeves? by Joff_NZ · · Score: 5, Funny

    From the Changelog:

    * Ask Jeeves searching has been added to Mozilla 1.6.

    WHY? FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WHY??

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    The revolution will not be televised. It won't be on a friggin blog either
    1. Re:Ask Jeeves? by megabulk3000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      From the Changelog:

      * Ask Jeeves searching has been added to Mozilla 1.6.

      WHY? FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WHY??


      Uh, ask Jeeves?

  47. MOD DOWN - TROLL! by phalse+phace · · Score: 2, Informative
    Why was this moded "Insightful?" I originally posted this back on December 10. This person is ripping off people's post to get modded up. Mod this guy DOWN!

    Yes, I know this is off-topic, but this needs to be addressed.

  48. "Mojira" by BitwizeGHC · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The name takes on new meaning when you realize that "moji" is a Japanese word for a character or ideograph. So "Mojira" could theoretically be the Japanese name of a "text-monster", which is somehow fitting for the Mozilla browser.

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    N4st0r, trixx0r h0bb1tz0rz! Th3y st0l3 0ur pr3c10uzz!
  49. vCard Support by n-baxley · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I see that vCard support has been added, but there doesn't seem to be any UI for it. Can anyone tell me how to open a vCard that is sent to me from Outlook?

  50. My favorite new feature by ahg · · Score: 3, Interesting
    From the release notes:
    "Remove from server after x days" has been implemented for POP3 mail accounts.
    I have been yearning for this feature that I loved in Eudora in KMail. This is the first Linux mail client that I've seen that supports it.

    Anyone know if Thunderbird has this option yet?

    I'm now very tempted to install Mozilla and switch mail clients but I'd rather just have a stand-alone mail client like Thunderbird, and only have to transition mail clients once to get this feature.

    Thanks Mozilla team!
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    --Aaron Greenberg

    1. Re:My favorite new feature by seasleepy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yup, it's in Thunderbird.

      From the 0.4 release notes: "POP Accounts now support aging on the server."
      At least I'm assuming that's what that refers to. I do know from experience that it is in TB though. Super handy for keeping the mailbox tidy.

  51. Re:Now if only a galeon 1.2.x worked with it.... by SumDog · · Score: 2, Informative

    Have you tried a recent release of 1.3.x? It's gottan a whole lot better and has most of the functionality of the old gtk1 galeon browser.

    SumDog

  52. Oh great... by Captain_Chaos · · Score: 3, Funny

    By the way, if you haven't yet, if you use mozilla, you need to check out about:mozilla

    Now it'll be slashdotted in no time...

  53. Kill Flash Ads by Plugh · · Score: 2, Informative
    If you haven't yet, RUN, DON'T WALK to http://prefbar.mozdev.org/ and install PrefBar.

    "Kill Flash" is the most sexy, beautiful button ever made. Thank you, PrefBar guys. You rock.

    For those who don't know: this little button removes the last annoying traces of advertising from the web, and IMHO is a necessary addition to the wonderful standard Mozilla capabilities "Block unrequested pop-ups" and "Block Images from this server"

  54. Does anyone else... by anethema · · Score: 3, Interesting

    NOT want to have to install 3-4 seperate programs for all the stuff mozilla has? I occaisionally use mozilla composer for quick stuff, I use mozilla mail for my email, and I use mozilla for my browser.

    I like the mozilla preferences digalog, and i like the tools menu that has all the image, popup, and cookie controlls right there in a quick easy to use place.

    Also, its quickstart is very nice and its interface has some subtle differences from firebird..most of which I like better.

    I'm not saying discontinue firebird, since sometimes you just want a nice browser, and this is great.. But why discontinue the suite?

    Kind of like MS office, I dont wanna have to install all the programs seperate..its nice to just have them all together, and select what I want.

    Any thoughts?

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    It's easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
  55. Where's the xft build? by jwr · · Score: 2, Flamebait

    Well, that's all good and great, but where's my xft-enabled build? I'm amazed people still use Mozilla without antialiased fonts...

    Having just installed Mozilla-1.6 without xft, it just looks plain ugly.

  56. Re:Offtopic... by j-pimp · · Score: 2, Funny

    Auctually, being that the heat is considered "waste," Using the wasted energy to reduce heating costs is the best way to go.

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  57. Mozilla Visual Appeal by pipingguy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Slam me if you wish for being superficial, but Mozilla lacks the nifty drop-shadows and subtle visual cues that IE (and OSX?) features.

    I'm an "old skool" transformed-to-CAD draftsman originally trained with actual pencils, paper and a bit of artistic flair for focusing the eye on what's important, and I dislike Mozilla's lack of visual enhancements.

    I would switch to Moz immediately and permanently if it could do this (not because of the "cool factor" but because it is a better presentation).

    Have a look at www.milonic.com and see what they have been doing regarding DHTML.

    Please comment.

    1. Re:Mozilla Visual Appeal by lunar_legacy · · Score: 2, Informative

      I suggest css Zen garden as a showcase of what can be visually achived by using standard compliant browsers(read Moz/FB).

  58. MOD DOWN parent - he's a copy troll by SmilingBoy · · Score: 2, Interesting
  59. Re:Anybody have torrent links? by JWhitlock · · Score: 2, Informative

    Although the main site was completely unresponsive, and the primary mirrors as well, quite a few of the secondary mirrors were pretty good. The progeny link worked for me.

  60. Man, isn't my timing great? by spikedvodka · · Score: 2, Interesting

    yesterday I emerge rsync, and then emerge mozilla
    downloading and installing 1.5, and spend oh a few hours compiling... now this morning I wake up, and what do I find? they released 1.6 while I was compiling 1.5 /rant

    but seriously, it's good to see that improvements continue, and at a faster rate than M$ IE

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    1. Re:Man, isn't my timing great? by Junta · · Score: 2, Funny

      I suggest an addendum to your sig:
      Gentoo: But I don't mind waiting for tomorrow..

      (Not meant to be a flame, I use Gentoo too and love it and the tradeoff is worth it, but it just had to be said).

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      XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
  61. Mozilla is Love by hwestiii · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I absolutely love Mozilla and run IE only to access sites which explicitly require it, such as my employers expense processing system.

    That one only seems to break on the Java implementation. It apparently requires some of the WFC classes that aren't implemented in a more generic JVM.

    Shouldn't there be some way to select the Microsoft JVM in Mozilla? I know its apostacy, but I'd like to try it nonetheless.

  62. Re:But No One's mentioned the most important featu by jdavidb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Biblically, Mammon means money, so I wonder if they're saying that those who were in the business only for the profit motive cowered in horror.

  63. Re:Begging for Firebird 1.0 by juhaz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Extensions fscking rule.

    What makes you think extensions are Firebird-only?

    There have been extensions for Mozilla long before any of the developers even dreamed about Phoenix. Good ones work in both browsers.