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Mozilla 1.6 Released
Jack Comics writes "Asa Dotzler of the Mozilla Foundation has announced this evening the release of Mozilla 1.6. The Mozilla 1.6 release notes can be found here."
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More security fixes and the ability to reload the source view...nice.
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I hope this brings us closer to Firebird replacing SeaMonkey as the official Mozilla web browser.
Extensions fscking rule.
How are efforts in AmiZilla going? Is the Amiga Mozilla port any closer?
This is all good and well, but I'm looking forward to Mozilla 2.0, which will integrate the superior FireBird and ThunderBird.
smd4985
Who has been tempted to do a string replace on the mozilla source, replacing all instances of 'mozilla' with 'mozirra'? :-)
I would expect such blatant racism on Fark, but on Slashdot? Mods please ban this asshole.
I see the browser wars being rekindled. oops, never mind, those are the flames being thrown at me.
Another release of Mozilla is a great thing, but I've been personally more interested in Firebird / Thunderbird. As we all know Mozilla will eventually fully break up into the seperate projects, and my interest is completely oriented on the progress of Firebird / Thunderbird.
/., thanks for all your hard work in making free software that suits my wants and needs. Keep up the great work!
Firebird is a great browser about to hit 0.8 and stepping closer towards the great 1.0 release that took Mozilla years to obtain. Thunderbird is still in need of lots of work, but the progress is fantastic and I exclusively use it even in its immature state.
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I can't believe that development is still chugging along with Mozilla despite the fairly recent dismemberment of Netscape's Mozilla team.
I just hope that can get XUL to become a cross-platform standard for web applications. Some people don't mind using web interfaces, but I would prefer an application that looks like a real application (native widgets and all) wherever possible.
Are you a web coder? What are you waiting for? Start using XUL!
True story.
Well, another release. What can I say, keep that good stuff coming. We all love it.
:)
Now GO GET FIREBIRD UPDATED!
All slashdot readers know about the benefits of Mozilla but I am happy to see some more mainstream magazines giving props to the browser. I noticed it won some magazines comparo of browsers for the end of 2003. Perhaps this is due to the fact that we keep seeing improvements in Mozilla while it seems like IE has been a stagnant product for some time.
I would like to salute the ashes of american flags, and all the fallen leaves filling up shopping bags.
Well, it's being a good couple of months with Firebird, but with this release, I'll go back to Mozilla, again. Fast, lean, and efficient is nice, but when you have a 3.1ghz cpu with 1.5 gigs of ram and 200 gigs of hd space, why not throw in the kitchen sink too?
Hopefully they'll play nice together...
Robert Bindler
A Computer Science student's views on technology.
please?
My life in the land of the rising sun.
I haven't run Mozilla in awhile, been running Firebird instead. I must say it's pretty snappy and responsive. Too bad they haven't fixed the Control+Enter bug yet :(
By the way, if you haven't yet, if you use mozilla, you need to check out about:mozilla
I'd love to hear more about mozilla as a platform. Java\python and open office integration is happening , I just dont think that it gets enough press.
Mozilla is easily the easiest open source project I've been able to implement, its that good.
IE is so dangerous that its not worth the integration -- even my users are beginning to get that.
sl
The name "Firebird" was probably suggested during a flame war.
And yes, I know this is not true =)
True story.
I'm currently running the Windows version of Mozilla 1.5 over IE. I recently downloaded the SVG-enabled version of Mozilla, and it's pretty neat. Any ideas when SVG support will be officially merged into the Mozilla stable tree?
When downloading this you should have a look at the mirrors list and find one near you.
http://www.mozilla.org/mirrors.html
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they'll change the name to Chevell SS
I'm running 1.2 on win 98. Is the upgrade worth it?
I tried 1.4 stable butit was too buggy.
evanchik.net
Better yet, check out about:mozilla in Internet Explorer ;-)
Just curious, who uses the suite instead of Firebird/Thunderbird... and why?
I prefer the individual applications, primarily due to launch speed, but also due to what I think is a superior interface of components in the components-as-apps approach vs. the components-in-suite approach.
I don't see any nice pictures or anything about whats new?
Do they still consider mozilla a non-end user product and thus only intend to support developers?
It has certainly gotten better over the last few versions. But what earns this a +0.1 value?
I have 1.2 installed, but 1.6 release notes require uninstall to upgrade. Why is this?
Also I am running adblock as well as an extension(?)/plug-in(?). Would that need to be uninstalled and then reinstalled as well?
evanchik.net
How you been???
Linux - Because Mommy taught me to Share.
Find a mirror here as the main download server is already dead.
I am more of a firebird kinda guy. Any words on when the next release of that is? Mozilla is to bulky for me.. Amazing browsers tho and the notes on this one looking pretty intresting.
The roadmap has implied for some time that 1.4 was the last unified (XPFE) Mozilla-based release. 1.5-1.6 was supposed to be the Firebird transition period, during which Mozilla-the-unified-browser was supplanted by Thunderbird and Firebird. Perhaps that was too ambitious, and they've changed their mind, but the roadmap still indicates otherwise.
What's the deal? It really looks like the new roadmap is "build in all the features people REALLY bitch about into XPFE Mozilla, then once Firebird/Thunderbird is more stable, we'll transition to those". I'm fine with that, but shouldn't they just come out and say it?
I personally hated Netscape (5+) and equally disliked Mozilla. Mostly because they were ugly as hell, took up half the screen with huge buttons and ran like shit. I really truly prefered (and would still prefer IE)
Then I installed Firebird. It is browser heaven! I cant believe self confessed nerds would even consider starting IE after they made, or even installed their first Firebird extention... "Click to view flash objects" plugin - fucking hell, my eyes have stopped hurting when I browse now...
THe only reason 80%+ of slashdotters use IE is because they've never tried Firebird.
Forget IE, Opera, Netscape, Mozilla. They aren't suited to your average joe, let alone us nerds. Get Firebird NOW!
Google toolbar works in IE to get rid of popups quite nicely.
I'd use mozilla more except that I can't stand it's useless "new window" function. Being as I have muliple monitors, I don't use tabbed browsing and just open new windows when i want to explore something but still keep a browser where i am not lose my place. IE does the right thing, IMO (the new window is a clone of the current one, including having the same history). I just wish they'd make it an option.
Most people stick with what they are used to. Even when pop-up blocking is given as a feature of Mozilla to users that suffer from excessive pop-up ads, most still seem to prefer using the IE (or Windows?) add-ons that stop them.
Side-thought: I have no experience with IE pop-up blockers, but it would seem like a very effective method for spreading malware. Maybe that's just the old tin-foil hat I'm feeling.
"And so at last the beast fell and the unbelievers rejoiced. But all was not lost, for from the ash rose a great bird. The bird gazed down upon the unbelievers and cast fire and thunder upon them. For the beast had been reborn with its strength renewed, and the followers of Mammon cowered in horror."
from The Book of Mozilla, 7:15
WTF is that?
The Ezine Directory
What I'd like to know is: why are releases made with known Major bugs, and what does it take for a bug to get seen to and not sit in Bugzilla, ignored? It has certainly made me feel that there is little point in reporting any further bugs. Could someone explain Mozilla's QA process to me?
Because Firebird plays nicely "out of the box" so to speak with MS Outlook, and my customers want that. I know it's a horrible notion to some the overall goal is to convert folks on using these pieces of OSS has to be gentle and user friendly. Business users get Firebird suggested to them and home users Mozilla. I haven't touched IE for daily browsing in a couple years now thanks to these awesome browsers.
I can't believe that. I thought Slashdot was part of the Mozilla regression test suite.
/me ducks
It's a joke I say, son, a joke.
If you plan to install 1.6 to the same subdirectory in which you have 1.2, yes, you should uninstall 1.2 before installing 1.6.
If you plan to install 1.6 to a brand spanking new subdirectory, you need not uninstall 1.2. You should always use different profiles for different versions of Mozilla.
BTW, you should uninstall 1.2 anyway. It has major bugs. In terms of stability, version 1.4.1, for instance, is to 1.2 as a granite rock is to gray goo.
It's also slow, due to the slashdot effect ;)
Chris
atleast they're consistent. also in firebird they added the show windows-type scrolling arrows when you press the middle mouse button (atleast on linux). At the same time, the middle mouse button opens up the URL you have in the clipboard (sometimes, when you press the mouse fast and OFTEN enough so that the scroll-thingy doesn't intercept the click), a feature i cherish, especially since i was used to the middle mouse button having only ONE purpose. Atleast i have my daily workout now, changing fingers and pumping on the mouse when i want to open a page.
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If you're running Internet Explorer, you can upgrade to Mozilla 1.6 here
(If you're not running IE, you won't see anything. My redirect exploits the ^A bug and uses IE conditional comments to make it look like an official MS page for downloading Mozilla)
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I think it's a doggone hoot to pull the latest mods from cvs and build it yourself every week or two, even though you get the occasional squirrely behaviour in the bargain.
Right now I'm on 1.7a and having a wonderful time!
It's great fun playing around with CFLAGS and stuff to see how quick you can make it execute, though I'm back at a conservative -O3 these days, since even that takes 4 hrs to compile on my feeble hardware.
Anyone else doing it?
Brak: What's THAT?
Thundercleese: A light switch.. of TOTAL DEVASTATION!
Read the intro to Bittorrent and then understand why torrent links were requested.
BitTorrent does not always equal warez/moviez/gamez/etc. This would be a prime example of a legitimate use for the software.
Overrated / Underrated : Moderation
I just downloaded the full installer - it took all of 1 minute 29 seconds. Have you even tried downloading it from the server?
Information doesn't want to be anthropomorphized anymore.
if you,re on linux, tip: delete your ~/.mozilla, make sure you backup your bookmarks and all your other profile stuff, since it's all stored there. that should convince 1.6 to work.
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For the first time, Mozilla will work on many corporate networks.
Prevent email address forgery. Publish SPF records for y
http://ftp.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/mozilla.org/moz illa/releases/mozilla1.6/
This is only slightly related, but maybe someone here can answer. Does anyone know why the back and forward buttons on my mouse don't function correctly in linux?
.com to the rear. It also will just add the .com to the end if the beginning (http://www.foo) is already there (it doesn't duplicate the http://www. part).
.org, .net, and .edu
Mozilla, Opera, and IE in windows; both buttons work correctly.
Mozilla, Konqueror, et al. My extra buttons don't work. The buttons are recognized (back button goes up one level) but they don't work correctly. Pretty damn annoying. This is a problem in every linux distro I've tested. (Knoppix 3.3, Suse 9.0, and Fedora Core 1).
It probably cuts my productivity on the web in half. (I use SuSE 9.0).
Also, if I could suggest one feature, I wish mozilla supported url finishing like IE. In IE, I can type a word (foo) and hit ctrl+enter and IE adds the http://www. to the front and the
Also, if there are any IE coders out there(and I highly doubt it), it'd be nice if we could have key combos for
I've been wanting an update of thunderbird for awhile. I was just thinking about it yesterday actually. But, just now I had the thought: "what does thunderbird do for me?" it checks and delivers my email to my desktop. "what more do i need it to do?" "..." Yeah I have all the extensions I need for it, it works flawlessly for me. I just wish they had more themes for it. The current ones aren't that aesthetically pleasing.
Google Bar is a most excellent way to curb the abusive use of popups, whilst still providing you the flexibility to customise against trusted URLs.
Also has a neat Google search.
Win32 Only.
It's a running gag type of easter egg.
I agree that Firebird is the best first choice, but the Google Toolbar is by far the best way that I have found to stop pop-ups in IE. There is no spyware, no service or systray icon running, and integrates google for fast searching. It's great!
SCO.com uses Linux
They really need a sable roaming profile.
members are seeing something, your seeing an ad
From the release notes:
Mozilla 1.6 includes a new cross-platform NTLM authentication mechanism. This feature brings NTLM authentication to the non-Windows Mozilla users for the first time and also delivers more robust and featureful NTLM support to users of older Windows versions.
Does that mean Mozilla 1.6 is capable of interacting with ASP.NET web applications typically only accessible from Internet Explorer (i.e. those using Windows Authentication)? Are they (NTLM/WA) one and the same?
Three days after I download and install 1.5, 1.6 is released!
Aaaaarrrrrrggggh!
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
Not to sound like a newbie (I've been using Mozilla for a while, but I just never invested in much technical skill), but installing this seems to have fucked my mouse gestures, and, thus, significantly handicapped my Mozilla usage. I've tried reinstalling it, fucking with the settings, etc., but it still won't work. Specifically, I'm pretty dependant on the left-right and right-left sequences for a quick forward and back. Any suggestions?
Here I post from Firebird/Win2K, and for what it's worth:
1. Firebird crashes about twice a week, and I have to kill the process before I can relaunch.
2. Sometimes my Bookmarks Toolbar icons mysteriously disappear, only to be regenerated when I revisit the sites.
3. Handling of unknown character sets is a Bad Joke.
4. Plug-in loading is pretty spotty.
5. There is no obvious indicator of Javascript errors on sites; I have to open the JS console when I suspect an error.
6. It's kinda slow to start on my slower computer (TransMeta 800Mhz), though it's snappy on my faster one (Duron 1.2Ghz).
7. It's still the best browser I've ever used, and I would tear out my hair if I had to live without it.
Go Firebird!!
This Like That - fun with words!
Don't forget the original kitchen sink. Too bad that it probably won't make it into Mozilla as an about: option.
Prevent email address forgery. Publish SPF records for y
Can't hurt to try it. I've used 1.6b at work (I run Firebird at home) and it never crashed. The final version should in theory be even better. :)
Should be prepackaged with various popular plugins like Flash and Shockwave.
I've reccomended firebird to all of my windows-using, non tech-savvy friends and they love it, but they wouldn't have done it without my encouragement because it was such a pain to redownload so many plugins.
People are lazy. Lazy people buy(in the loose sense of the word, since the software's free) convenience.
~To choose doubt as a philosophy of life is akin to choosing immobility as a means of transportation. -Yann Martel
http://www.neverending.org/~ftobin/tmp/mozilla-i68 6-pc-linux-gnu-1.6-installer.tar.gz.torrent
The roadmap originally had it due in December. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firebird/roadmap.h tml
I expect it'll be ready pretty soon. I have been using the trunk nightly builds and they seem really stable.
If only I had mod points
Im dreaming ofa big bndwdth, That can resist the
that's an option in "preferences". It doesn't come enabled by default, but it's there.
Also, a very nice thing about tabs (aside from being able to collect tabs in a window by topic) is bookmarking tab groups; all the documentation you want at your fingertips and at the click of a button.
FWIW, I have 3 monitors, and still use tabs; they're just so danged useful.
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Given enough personal experience, all stereotypes are shallow.
Come on people, use common sense.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
I submitted this story today, but as usual, since I am not a friend of the /. Editors, they shot it down big time (within minutes of when I submitted it), but I'm not bitter (that's a joke, OK?)! The guy from Eolas who brought the action against Microsoft about his browser patent, is in talks with "major Linux players." In fact, according to the eWeek story (rejected by /.), he's an Open Source contributor. Read between the lines, because this bodes VERY well for Mozilla. While W3 and Microsoft are hemming and hawing about what this kind of patent meant to them, and it means something very bad for Internet Explorer, I suspect Mozilla will not be a target. Perhaps it's wishful thinking, but "what if" this guy is into Open Source, and saw a nice way to screw MS? I know, "so what, he still has a patent for something that is obvious and should not be patented." Well, my position is just the same as with SCO / IMB. Lessor of two evils, and my enemies' enemy is my friend (for now).
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
As outlined in the Mozilla project roadmap , the Mozilla Firebird browser will eventually replace the Seamonkey browser as the premiere end-user browser from mozilla.org. As part of the journey towards that goal, from milestone 0.7 onward Firebird 0.x releases will occur at the same time (or approximately the same time). Firebird Roadmap
Yes, you heard it right. This release of Mozilla is significant ALSO in that it heralds an impending release of FireBird.
Of course, Firebird 0.8 was due out December 2003, so we're overdue for that anyways.
Visit CryptoGnome in his home.
They should release a branch build without the overhead of image blocking, now that the Internet's favorite site is no more.
Marxism is the opiate of dumbasses
Well, first off, it's a lie. I'm using Firebird right now. That said, Composer is not part of Firebird (as Firebird is focused on browsing) so I end up using Mozilla suite most of the time.
A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
it's a feature, not a bug. besides, mozilla used to delete your bookmarks on some rare occasions when it crashed (dunno if it still does so), so it doesn't make much difference anyway.
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Sad that IE has the monopoly in the browser market. Most users are unaware of the better browsers available. Even if they were aware, many wouldn't change because their IE was "good enough".
MS knows their monopoly will remain as long as they update IE once in a while. What are clearly better web browsers don't get used. Web authors will continue to make pages aimed at a substandard product.
My point here is, does a case of a monopoly stifling innovation and progress get any more clear than this? What now, after MS got away with a slap on the wrist? In the medium to short term, where does the competition go?
Just my thoughts.
If you have Microsoft Proxy Server or some other NTLM proxy at work or wherever, take a good hard look at 1.6. It's the first Mozilla version to have a built-in NTLM solution.
It's been available in Windows builds for quite a while (since at least 1.4). The key difference is that the new method is cross-platform.
I think since both the Moz project and *bird projects are aproaching major relese points (2.0 and 1.0), I suspect that the Moz 2.0 'suite' will contain *birds 1.0.
wow, rated funny and flamebait in the same post. i was hoping for "sarcastic truth"
maybe my bookmark file is corrupt and crashes mozilla. it works fine except search, where the system crashes.
back to bugzilla, again...
Perhaps it's wishful thinking, but "what if" this guy is into Open Source, and saw a nice way to screw MS?
I've read that your conjecture may in fact be the case. If so, then the Eolas patent end up with similar licensing to the RTLinux patent. For those who don't follow RTLinux, a U.S. patent covers its architecture, but the inventor has licensed the patent for free use in all projects under the GNU General Public License.
Apparently, the tarball hasn't made it up yet. In the meantime, you might try downloading the latest Mozilla 1.6 branch tarball and then, if you feel like it, CVS updating.
Bottom-posting is more useful to outsiders to the discussion, since they can follow the temporal flow of response and reply. However, top-posting is more convenient for those enagaging in the discussion, since they presumably already know who's saying what, and therefore it's better to have the most up-to-date information at the TOP. They can scroll down to get context if necessary.
Please, don't turn top-posting into yet ANOTHER religious issue... We don't need more of them.
Put the most relevant (ie, recent) stuff at the top, just like every web page in existence. Older stuff goes down the bottom for those that need context
Have questions before answers
Personally, I think they're each appropriate at different times.
Just a blue screen. What are they trying to say? That using Mozilla will crash your windows? What an odd statement.
War is necrophilia.
I'm so happy, I could just SPIT.
IMAP servers like Courier that store everything under INBOX (INBOX. namespace) FINALLY get displayed as a flat tree structure!
Thank you, Mozilla Team!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
-- You can't idiot-proof anything, because they're always coming out with better idiots.
I've been trying to find a galeon 1.2.x (NOT 1.3.xx, which sucks) that works with Mozilla > 1.3 but no dice, I've never been able to get something working out of the tar.gz source files (I'm on RH9) and have to keep using the old galeon 1.2.10 with mozilla 1.3 (the latest that had rpms).
any kind soul willing to try and get a working set of RH9 rpms for a recent 1.2.x (say, 1.2.13) release? pleeease?
-- the cake is a lie
yep,
Mozilla 1.6 includes a new cross-platform NTLM authentication mechanism. This feature brings NTLM authentication to the non-Windows Mozilla users for the first time and also delivers more robust and featureful NTLM support to users of older Windows versions.
Why is it that Mozilla loads so much slower than any other browser. Of course IE should load faster, being that it is built into the core of windows. But even bloated Opera loads faster and seems on average to load faster.
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However, top-posting is more convenient for those enagaging in the discussion
In my e-mail messages, Usenet posts, and message board posts, I prefer middle-posting: trim down the quoted context and insert a response to each point immediately after each piece of quoted context. I have written this very comment in middle-posting style.
it's better to have the most up-to-date information at the TOP.
In a proper middle-posting reply, the first piece of "most up-to-date information" will typically appear above the fold (definition) because the poster has trimmed the context.
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And they watched as the beast cast off its chains, and with a terrible roar, burst forth and slew those who had bound it. And for days the rivers ran red with their lifeblood.
from The Book of Mozilla , 7:15
(Red Letter Edition)
If all the world's a stage, anyone who says they want better lighting spends far too much time in a dark theatre.
Perhaps the fact that Mozilla.org had already published version 1.6 Beta of the Mozilla app suite might have clued you in?
Looks like it's time to fire up the old "Set Program Access and Defaults" and do some switching in the default browser department.
that's an option in "preferences". It doesn't come enabled by default, but it's there.
Where? I don't see it.
From the Changelog:
* Ask Jeeves searching has been added to Mozilla 1.6.
WHY? FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WHY??
The revolution will not be televised. It won't be on a friggin blog either
My question is, when will there be a .ppc.rpm version, or a source that isn't specific to i686? I'm on Yellow Dog, and haven't been able to make anything since the pre-installed 1.2b work.
And yes, I tried the yum links in the mirrors. I couldn't make them work.
What if I do the same thing, and I do get different results?
> As listed in the Release notes mozilla's greatest feature yet:
Congrats. You've now noticed that none of the core engine changes, no matter how cool, ever make it into the release notes ("because they may be too scary for people"). But this crap makes it. .
Yes, I know this is off-topic, but this needs to be addressed.
Edit->Preferences.
In Navigator (is the first thing that shows), you have Display on [Navigator start...] with 3 radio buttons below it: Blank Page, Home Page, Last Page visited.
[Navigator start...] is a drop-down list where you can select from Navigator start, New Window, and New Tab.
Change to New Window in the list, and then activate the Last Page Visited radio button. IIRC, it doesn't follow the history, but it does bring up the last page. I may be wrong on the history, tho; I don't find it that useful.
Much more useful, imho, is the ability to middle-click and have moz bring up the link in a new tab while you finish browsing in your current tab. You can set tab settings in the Tabbed Browsing sub-panel (is under the Navigator section in the prefs dialog you brought up.)
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Given enough personal experience, all stereotypes are shallow.
The name takes on new meaning when you realize that "moji" is a Japanese word for a character or ideograph. So "Mojira" could theoretically be the Japanese name of a "text-monster", which is somehow fitting for the Mozilla browser.
N4st0r, trixx0r h0bb1tz0rz! Th3y st0l3 0ur pr3c10uzz!
I know these are very old operating systems, but I don't need to upgrade if they work. I will switch until my HDD dies or whatever.
Do 7.x RPMs exist? Or did the contributers stopped making them? I looked high and low for v1.5 version, but no luck.
Am I stuck?
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
I see that vCard support has been added, but there doesn't seem to be any UI for it. Can anyone tell me how to open a vCard that is sent to me from Outlook?
THIS SPACE FOR RENT
Ok, I found it, but it doesn't do what I need.
First, it opens the last page visited, literally, not the current page in the browser window I am currently in. That's just wrong.
Second, it doesn't preserve the history, which defeats the purpose. I love the ability to open a new window, navigate forwards and backwards in the history while keeping my "old" history in the other window. I use it all the time, its hard to explain how useful that is.
I hear you on the tabs, but I still don't like them. I never liked microsoft's MDI (especially when in "maximized" mode where you could only look at one document at a time), and this is the same thing to me. I want to have two or more things side by side. Not all the time, but often enough that I find it maddening to have to jump through hoops when I do feel the need.
prefs/navigator/display on [New Window] dropdown.
x Last page visited
(on the top left)
#6495ED - cornflower blue
Anyone know if Thunderbird has this option yet?
I'm now very tempted to install Mozilla and switch mail clients but I'd rather just have a stand-alone mail client like Thunderbird, and only have to transition mail clients once to get this feature.
Thanks Mozilla team!
--Aaron Greenberg
Aight. Sorry it's not what you were looking for.
Would you like to file a bug on it? If so, please post the bug number, so I can track it.
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Given enough personal experience, all stereotypes are shallow.
I downloaded source the other day and it claims to be version 1.7a. Does anyone know how this relates to this release?
Known about that since about
Is prophecy always written in xhtml?
Most people don't know alternatives exist. Those I've shown Mozilla almost invariably switch.
I'm not getting into a row over it, but I was getting 110k/sec when I posted that link, and still am.
Maybe its because I'm this side of the atlantic.
Do not meddle in the affairs of geeks for they are subtle and quick to anger
Yes, I use .torrents for getting debian, jingo is not the most friendly or stable piece of software I have used.
.torrent does have legitimate uses.
I fully appreciate what you said though,
Do not meddle in the affairs of geeks for they are subtle and quick to anger
By the way, if you haven't yet, if you use mozilla, you need to check out about:mozilla
Now it'll be slashdotted in no time...
"Kill Flash" is the most sexy, beautiful button ever made. Thank you, PrefBar guys. You rock.
For those who don't know: this little button removes the last annoying traces of advertising from the web, and IMHO is a necessary addition to the wonderful standard Mozilla capabilities "Block unrequested pop-ups" and "Block Images from this server"
Part of the Second American Revolution!
It is bug #18808. Doesn't look like anyone is working on it, but I cast a vote for it.
I hope it gets done for Firebird, since when I use "mozilla" normally that is what I use. Should that be filed in a completely different place?
NOT want to have to install 3-4 seperate programs for all the stuff mozilla has? I occaisionally use mozilla composer for quick stuff, I use mozilla mail for my email, and I use mozilla for my browser.
I like the mozilla preferences digalog, and i like the tools menu that has all the image, popup, and cookie controlls right there in a quick easy to use place.
Also, its quickstart is very nice and its interface has some subtle differences from firebird..most of which I like better.
I'm not saying discontinue firebird, since sometimes you just want a nice browser, and this is great.. But why discontinue the suite?
Kind of like MS office, I dont wanna have to install all the programs seperate..its nice to just have them all together, and select what I want.
Any thoughts?
It's easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
I've had version 1.6 running for several hours now and I haven't had any problems. v1.5 and Firebird would randomly lock up my system, but that probably has more to do with the OS than the browser. Hopefully this will be a permanent replacement for IE on my home computer.
Well, that's all good and great, but where's my xft-enabled build? I'm amazed people still use Mozilla without antialiased fonts...
Having just installed Mozilla-1.6 without xft, it just looks plain ugly.
Auctually, being that the heat is considered "waste," Using the wasted energy to reduce heating costs is the best way to go.
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I don't use the Mozilla mail component generally. (I have with the account that came with my dialup ISP, but I don't generally use that.) However, I still prefer the suite, because ...
:)
:)) like it there, but it seems to me a needless complication. Maybe there's a simple way to squeeze this behavior from Firebird, but I haven't really tried except a glance through the preferences, where I didn't see it. (Is it possible, is it easy?)
:) Which I'm sure a lot of IE users say, too, but *staying's* a bitch when it's staying with a browser that doesn't have tabs :)
a) I like the default look better. This is the least important reason, but I prefer Mozilla Modern to the default Firebird look. Yes, there are skins available for both to make this a picayune complaint / compliment, but Hey, YMMV
b) OK, it's another one that may strike you as trivial, but since I use the browser a lot, it builds up to a moderately important point to me: I prefer to search with a drop-down from the URL / Location bar than from the separate search bar on the right. I guess some people (including the programmers, who do get more say than me
c) I have a few shortcuts / bookmarklets built up for Mozilla. Maybe they also work with Firebird, but I haven't investigated how or tried to move them over to Firebird. Again: perhaps it's easy, but switching's a bitch when staying feels fine
d) Mozilla suite has what has become a very good IRC client (Chatzilla). Since I'm going to start Mozilla anyhow, unless I need to use DCC (which I generally do not use), I just hit control-6 and get a Chatzilla window, too.
I keep a version of the Mozilla suite installer for Windows on my 64MB memory key, it's come in handy a few times when it was easier to borrow a connected, powered-up Windows machine than boot up my laptop.
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
Slam me if you wish for being superficial, but Mozilla lacks the nifty drop-shadows and subtle visual cues that IE (and OSX?) features.
I'm an "old skool" transformed-to-CAD draftsman originally trained with actual pencils, paper and a bit of artistic flair for focusing the eye on what's important, and I dislike Mozilla's lack of visual enhancements.
I would switch to Moz immediately and permanently if it could do this (not because of the "cool factor" but because it is a better presentation).
Have a look at www.milonic.com and see what they have been doing regarding DHTML.
Please comment.
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firebird/
is it a coincidence that the web page in the demo picture has a Subaru WRX STi (which is faster- than- greased- lightning) on it? I only noticed this because i've been lusting after an STi for a looong time and can now smell one from a mile away, yes it's a sickness, no i don't want cured. I just wanna own one.
hmm, my intel celeron took the beating when i had attatched the heatsink but forgotten to plug in the fan wire. it only forced a reboot...
comment first, facts later. http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm
Shit. Does that mean I'll have to retrain adblock? will the blocking list transfer? Is that "user generated"?
evanchik.net
hardcore? webrowser? come on... wget, ~absolute hardcore~
I'm in the USA, and at the time I posted, I was getting 4.5kb/sec TOPS from the main site. When I switched over to a semi-local mirror, however, I got it a lot faster.
Chris
- Adblock Preferences
- Adblock Options
- Export filters
After reinstalling, follow the same procedure and choose Import filters.I'm using Mozilla Browser exclusively, both at work and at home. At home I'm also using Mozilla Mail.
The standard Moz browser has many of the advanced features built in that you'd need to install separately for the Wossnamebird (Browserbird). And since I'm running it 9-to-5 anyway, startup times are a non-issue.
As for the email part, I come from "The Bat!" which is no less than awesome in ability and performance (it's a plaintext-only client, which is both good and bad). I haven't used an MS mail client for over 8 years (though I am (until further) running on Windows).
I started using Mozilla Mail because it was convenient -- it's there anyway once Mozilla is in the box, and it's really quite excellent (truth be told, the only thing I miss from The Bat! is its superior filtering ability). So you see, I see no real reason to install Thatotherbird (Mailbird) because I have what I need.
Simplicity is the word. The most features with the least fuss -- and the Mozilla suite excels at that. I hope they keep the suite alive, even when the 'birds mature.
"Good news, everyone!"
And that's acceptable? To recreate your profile directory every time? To reinstall browser plug-ins/extensions? To uninstall the old version each time? (And yes, you will need to uninstall the old version, unless you're content to have a zillion different versions sitting on your hard drive simultaneously.)
The upgrade process needs to be easier.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=88726&cid=7678 053
Not entirely true...people like to stick with that which is "familure".
Although I use Linux almost exclusivley, I prefer to surf the web with IE over other browers. Why?
What I do care about is the way IE handles all shorcuts/favorites as "individual" files. I've got used to being able to easily drag/drop my favorites, same them to my desktop, send them as attachments, etc. All in all, I think Mozilla, Firebird, and even Opera are better browsers, but quite handle things like I've grown used to...like I've adapted to...like I like.
Sure, pop-up blocking is nice; however, pop-ups don't really matter to me...I don't surf many places that use them, so it's a feature I care little about.
Unfortunately, Mozilla developers live under the strange delusion that users want less features and everything as plugins. They removed MNG support and refuse to include SVG-support in the default build. (I don't care wether it's not complete. The fastest way to make it complete is to get users and developers. The fastest way to get users is to include what is working in the default build)
To sum up, I've already given up on Mozilla in the long term. The rendering engine is still a bit better than Konqueror's, but with Konqueror getting better with each release and Mozilla stagnating (or even getting worse - see MNG support) it's just a matter of time till Konqueror overtakes Mozilla on the rendering engine, too.
If Mozilla would include SVG in the default build, it would be a great incentive to upgrade, it would give the SVG-format a big push and SVG-development would also get a big boost.
The problem is that Mozilla-leaders tend to follow the Mozilla-haters (who in general parrot some anti-Mozilla phrases like "too bloated") and ignore the real users.
Users hate to download plugins, users want a browser that can read as many formats as possible in the default-build.
The perfect Mozilla would be a Mozilla that:
Except for the Flash-plugin which might not be possible for legal reasons, everything else could be done today.
As Konqueror is getting SVG-support out of the box, I still have hope that Mozilla also includes the SVG-support it has. However I've given up on Mozilla being a leader in browser-technology. They refuse to be pioneers (see http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18574)
and want to be followers. Unfortunately, Mozilla will only include SVG-support after other browsers (like Konqueror) already have it. This is really sad, because Mozilla would have the possilities to be a leader.
Install with the exe file (mozilla-win32-1.6-installer.exe), click the Custom button at the beginning of the installation, and select which components you want. Only the browser and composer are mandatory. I don't understand what all the fuss is about.
Please vote for this bug. - Would be really nice to have this fancy thing calles 'newmail notification' on OS X. ;-)
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http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194
To error is human, to forgive, beyond the scope of the OS.
Maybe that's just the old tin-foil hat I'm feeling.
;)
Stop it. Unless you're a sexy geek chick, in which case go right ahead
Seriously though, you are right on the money. Most people do seem to prefer the blocker add ons, and some of them are indeed malware. It's sickening.
No matter how many of my rights are taken away, somehow I still don't feel safe. -Frigid Monkey
>For the first time, Mozilla will work on many corporate networks.
Not quite true, as you can still authenticate manually.
Galeon lets you keep you tabs 1 inch wide in a column down the left or right side, as well as the more usual place under the address bar. For dozens of tabs this is much easier than along the top under the address bar. Most screens these days are wide enough to make this layout very praticle.
Also in galeon if the browser crashes (usually due a page with flash) then on restarting it lets you either reopen all the URLs or keep them as bookmarks.
I use KDE apps for most other tasks but these two obscure features are what stop me from moving to konqueror as my brower. Having 15-25 tabs open is a window in a pain when they are along the top as you either need to click left/right to navigate, or the tab caption becomes so small as to be useless.
Elivs
Why not simply enable the search icon, then to look for something on Google, all you need to do is to put your search string in the URL bar and hit the search icon!
The above assumes that you have selected google in the preferences as your default search engine.
-Nivag
Surfing *bird.
Until something breaks, or the world changes so much that I am forced to update, I see exactly zero reason to budge and thereby risk inviting home a whole mess of new irritations. I'm not one of those blokes so bored that I actually enjoy installing new software.
If it ain't broke. .
-FL
yesterday I emerge rsync, and then emerge mozilla /rant
downloading and installing 1.5, and spend oh a few hours compiling... now this morning I wake up, and what do I find? they released 1.6 while I was compiling 1.5
but seriously, it's good to see that improvements continue, and at a faster rate than M$ IE
I will not give in to the terrorists. I will not become fearful.
Can anyone suggest a good source for RedHat 9 RPMS? Mozilla.org has not had any since about 1.4 or so, nor do there seem to be any on the redhat site.
The difference between Canada and the USA is that in Canada healthcare is a right and gun ownership is a privilege.
I absolutely love Mozilla and run IE only to access sites which explicitly require it, such as my employers expense processing system.
That one only seems to break on the Java implementation. It apparently requires some of the WFC classes that aren't implemented in a more generic JVM.
Shouldn't there be some way to select the Microsoft JVM in Mozilla? I know its apostacy, but I'd like to try it nonetheless.
... then looks at IE (2 desktop machines here, one where I get things done, the other runs Outlook),
????
Consider you slamed.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Everytime i upgrade my theme stops working (orbit). From what it says on the orbit download page, It seems like this time it's compatible , we shall see.
[alk]
Will there ever be another release of Camino?
Is it really only because it's too scary for people? The implementation details are possibly scary (and if not, then boring) to most, but stuff like "10% improvement in laying out web pages" isn't.
My impression that it's more because when release note folks are looking through a big list of bug summaries for bugs that have been fixed, they understand things like "about:about", but not stuff like "XUL style attributes should use recycled CSS parsers" or "remove nav4algorithm code in nsStyleUtil.cpp".
I'm sure cool changes to the core engine could be added to the release notes if someone who understood the core engine stuff wrote them up in English and pushed them at the right person at the right time (or they could be added after the release notes are initially published...)
When they get it where multiple Firebirds can run each in their own process, I'll be happy. (someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I saw this request on their bugzilla, with it being low priority).
OK.. so, what IS about:bloat? It just generated a blank page for me...
-- You can't idiot-proof anything, because they're always coming out with better idiots.
Biblically, Mammon means money, so I wonder if they're saying that those who were in the business only for the profit motive cowered in horror.
Secession is the right of all sentient beings.
AMD chips are no hotter than Intels and deal with it just fine.
Go troll somewhere else.
...the forums are down. Too bad, I was looking for an update on FB 0.8 (due out in Mid-Dec).
I have a mirror on my site. Here is the direct link to the files.
Mike http://thenextgenerationofradio.com
It looks like two or three changes were done to the Mail portion of Mozilla, so I hope Thunderbird comes out with a new version soon and includes those changes. Has anyone heard anything remotely related to that?
I mean really.
Never mind that `mozilla' is a shell script anyway, which lets you set the TMPDIR for anyone who uses it on said system.
I don't see the problem.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
Am I the only one who cannot enter any text into anything without locking the browser and having to kill it? If I launch the browser, it launches fine, click inside the URL field, locked. Put in a URL as a command line argument, comes up fine, hit something that has authentication, click in the auth dialog, locked. Bring up a site with a form (slashdot), browser launches, click in the search form at the bottom, locked.
What up with that? I assume there's some xft/aa checkbox somewhere?
I want to like it!
I like music
Thanks a lot! Clicking on that link just crashed Safari, you insensitive clod!
Thanks for that link. That's a nice collection of bookmarklets.
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The windows url files have no support for bookmark groups
You could just use a directory to store a group of bookmarks.
well, this has been in since 1.3, and needs to be fixed.. the mail reader bombs on any mail server that doesn't comprehend the CAPA POP3 command to find out authentication security methods..
*sigh*
"Champagne for my real friends - and real pain for my sham friends!" http://ericblade.postalboard.com/
Leave your windows open, blah blah blah...
:
Windows:
Windows Installer Torrent
Linux
Linux Installer
My Sig is Sauer.
Really? I have been browsing through an MS proxy server since 1.4.
My other OS is the MCP!
...and just restore the windows when it crashes (which hasnt happened to me, except when Windows takes everything down with it)
Wish firebird had this feature...
I hope that means for 2.0 that you will only have to load the common classes for firebird and thunderbird _once_ as you can with mozilla, now.
Right now if you use firebird and thunderbird you have to wait for both apps to load all of those classes on startup. Not a good result considering the split was done to enhance performance.
I hope that chatzilla can run as an independant app as well. Chatzilla and gaim are the nicest ( feature rich, uncluttered, self explanatory interface) IRC clients I have seen yet.
Steve
Well, I've moved from Mozilla to the Firebird and Thunderbird combination because of one great feature:
:
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Neither of them needs to be installed to work. You unzip them and you're good to go. Which also goes for the extensions that they support too. Install all the extensions you need, put 'em on a CD and then take 'em with you for perfect browsing from any computer - works like a charm at a uni.
Just one little gripe
Could they come pre-packaged with the basic plugins? I'm thinking Flash and Java. Or maybe even a simple button saying "Click here to install the basic plugins". Or even something like when you open the browser the first time, background tabs open up with a simple "click to install" procedure for Flash and Java.
The current "click to install" feature does not work well for Java on WinXP with Firebird for some reason - Java does not find Firebird and so does not install the plugins for it. Flash seems to work fine.
Another thing I've noticed when trying to get some of the more technically challenged folks to use Firebird
1) Their first reaction is "Where is Internet Explorer?". Only when you tell them that this browser blocks pop-ups and is faster than IE is the sale made.
2) Next, they're not used to the concept of tabbed browsing, but once explained to them, they love it.
3) They also really love the search bar next to the address bar and the fact that they can add more "websites to search from" to it.
So how about this? Instead of Firebird opening up with the Firebird home page the first time, how about a simple HTML page that explains a few of these features so more people can try it?
Find a job you like and you will never work a day in your life.
Any word yet on whether a killfile feature for the news reader will get implemented? I like XNews fine, but it'd be nice to just use Mozilla for EVERYTHING... (and reading Usenet without a killfile is just uncool)
Perfectly Normal Industries
Granted I'm just a desktop user and not a server admin with a room to call. I have an AMD 1900+ XP whatever (not overclocked), it is about 70oC now, under a heavy load it goes to 75oC. I have had it for around 2 years and about 10 hours/day, 300 days/year (room temp is 22-25oC, motherboard temp about 30oC). Never had a problem, speed is OK, never a forced shutdown. My processor can take the heat
A high quality heatsink would cost more than a replacement processor.! Heat is not a problem on a desktop. Server farms maybe more of a problem, but using 1900XPs for that is a misallocation in the first place, as processes used will be differently balanced.
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FreeNET user? Comfortable with the adverse selection?
I am using MozFirebird/Thunderbird exclusively but more importantly, I have withnessed several my colleagues switched to Thunderbird from Outlook.
;-)
Never thought that could happen
> and pushed them at the right person at the right time
This is the problem. The writing of the release notes is not publicised to the developer community, so it's impossible to know either the person or the time.
> or they could be added after the release notes are initially published
Working on this, but sometimes this is like pulling teeth...
You still cannot highlight this subject in order to copy and paste yet. Maybe I should open a bug report.
I really hate Dan Patrick.
It will be developed when someone will need it enough to spend own money for own in-house devloping it and then contributed back to Mozilla's CVS.
Money will be spent for developing it when market for SVG will be there.
Market for SVG will be there when people will be unhappy with Macromedia Flash.
People who use Macromedia Flash have no clue about web-technologies. And they don't pay for Flash, its runtime is free, its flash developers who have to pay for it. But they have to do it anyway as their customers (like advertisers) pay for it. And advertisers do not care either about web-techs.
But it's not that dead-end. Kiosk developers can put into kiosks whatever they like as end-users do not hae to install anything. So, I can predict that it is a big chance that first company who will make a good donation of SVG code into Mozilla (good enough to officialize it) will be a kiosk company.
Less is more !
Opera Web Browser style searching in Mozilla
Thanks
Yet Socrates himself is particularly missed.
A lovely little thinker but a bugger when he's pissed.
thanks
evanchik.net
I recall the content changed in the Netscape/Mozilla switchover. This is to what I was referring.
Two other things:
[1] Lose the jadedness. It's passe.
[2] By using leetspeak in a posting, you've killed 10^7 braincells uselessly. Same for Prince hashes, cryptic ebonics, etc. It's a stupid way to show how cool you are.