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Japanese Government Raids Microsoft Offices

Nakito writes "According to an article at the financial news site Bloomberg, Microsoft's Tokyo office was raided by Japan's Fair Trade Commission, which is investigating whether the world's largest software maker violated the country's anti-monopoly law." Other readers note a AP/Yahoo story claiming: "A commission official, speaking on customary condition of anonymity, said Microsoft Japan is suspected of attaching improper restrictive conditions when signing software deals with Japanese personal computer manufacturers, such as requiring that Japanese companies allow infringement of their patents."

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  1. DO ITASHIMASHITE! by inertia187 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Should we expect eminent post of the Japanese version of Windows XP source code now?

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    1. Re:DO ITASHIMASHITE! by chendo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Isn't it "dou" itashimashite?

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    2. Re:DO ITASHIMASHITE! by klmth · · Score: 4, Informative

      Depends on which romanization system you use. The long "o" sound can be romanized as either "ou" or as an o with a dash above it. The proponents of the latter tend to leave the dash out when typing on computers.

    3. Re:DO ITASHIMASHITE! by Senjutsu · · Score: 2, Funny

      The proponents of the latter tend to leave the dash out when typing on computers.

      Words like "Obasan" must be tons of fun, then.

    4. Re:DO ITASHIMASHITE! by jejones · · Score: 2, Informative

      Umm... doo itashimasite is roughly equivalent to "you're welcome." Shouldn't we be saying "doomo arigatoo gozaimashita" (thank you very much for a completed past action) to the Japanese instead?

    5. Re:DO ITASHIMASHITE! by jejones · · Score: 3, Informative

      Depends on what flavor of transliteration you're using. It is a long "o" sound, but Japanese writing words out phonetically using kana do use the "u" kana to follow up the syllable ending in "o" to show the lengthening of the "o", so some transliterators would write "dou". Others use the "macron" (a horizontal line) over the "o" to show a long vowel sound.

  2. Also at the BBC by ryants · · Score: 4, Informative

    BBC is also running the story here.

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  3. Eastern? by berkut1337 · · Score: 4, Offtopic

    Wow.. what a crazy hemispere. Kazaa and now Microsoft?

  4. Microsoft breaking monopoly laws? by Teddy+Beartuzzi · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just shocking. Never saw that coming *at all*.

    1. Re:Microsoft breaking monopoly laws? by bangular · · Score: 2

      What would have been great is if they had a big stamp that said "pwnd" and as they raided they stamped it all over MS's offices.

    2. Re:Microsoft breaking monopoly laws? by Dusabre · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Zzz...

      These "Did anyone else read it as:" jokes are getting increasingly unfunny, especially when they rely on insane juxtpositions.

    3. Re:Microsoft breaking monopoly laws? by Haeleth · · Score: 2, Informative

      These "These [Did anyone else read it as|In Soviet Russia|X is deader than BSD] jokes are getting old" whines are getting increasingly more tedious. If you don't like them, add a -6 modifier to Funny mods and you'll be rid of them for good.

  5. Oopsie! by juuri · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of the benefits of the new trend towards global companies is that the set of rules one must play by becomes more and more restricted as you enter into new markets.

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    1. Re:Oopsie! by irhtfp · · Score: 5, Interesting
      One of the benefits of the new trend towards global companies is that the set of rules one must play by becomes more and more restricted as you enter into new markets.

      You imply that just because one country has restrictive (or just different) laws and regulations, that a company must play by these same rules in all other markets. This is just simply not true.

      I'm sure MS has enough lawyers to sort out the regulations from one country to the next and is completely capable of playing by more than one set of rules!

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    2. Re:Oopsie! by juuri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      playing by more than one set of rules!

      As this action by Japan illustrates, apparently not. Microsoft just ran with their typical US arrogance and got caught breaking the rules.

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    3. Re:Oopsie! by irhtfp · · Score: 5, Insightful
      You're still missing my point. Maybe a bit too subtle for you?

      You said:

      ...that the set of rules one must play by becomes more and more restricted as you enter into new markets...

      and that was what I was challenging. Just because MS is (potentially) found to be a monopoly in Japan does not mean that they will be found to be a monopoly in some other country or that they will change their behavior when penetrating new markets based on any such ruling.

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    4. Re:Oopsie! by kamapuaa · · Score: 5, Interesting
      As this action by Japan illustrates, apparently not. Microsoft just ran with their typical US arrogance and got caught breaking the rules.

      As a former resident of Japan, I think this whole issue is being framed the wrong way. Monopolies are part & parcel of Japanese business practices. It's more likely, they didn't pay off the right officials, plus they happen to be a foreign company.

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    5. Re:Oopsie! by Curtman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      does not mean that they will be found to be a monopoly in some other country

      But that already happened in the US, its happenning in the EU, and now the Japanese have caught on. Seems a pretty safe bet it will happen elsewhere. What remains to be seen is if it will be stopped.

    6. Re:Oopsie! by -brazil- · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The exact opposite is the case: the companies get to choose which set of rules to operate under, for everything that can be moved around.

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  6. Friday's Headline by bersl2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "IT Department of Japanese Government Raided by BSA"

    1. Re:Friday's Headline by transient · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except that the BSA is a private organization with no regulatory muscle or official backing. They don't have any authority to raid the Japanese government. (Or anyone else for that matter.)

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    2. Re:Friday's Headline by Hi_2k · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Then how come they routinely do? Every encounter I've seen or heard of with the BSA has seemed more X-Filesish than like an inquiry by a buisness orginzation. They come in, hold up some important looking papers, and say "Let us audit and then sue you or else we'll sue you, then audit you, then sue you again". I've heard of them taking liscence documents to audit them, then having never have seen them when asked to give them back in the court case. The BSA is Bad News. They're out to make money, the same way Tony Soprano is. At my name not to be disclosed School, yes, school, they required that computer clases be cancled for days at a time while the liscence investigation was going on.

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    3. Re:Friday's Headline by transient · · Score: 2, Informative

      All that bluster is the equivalent of wearing a jacket with "RIAA" emblazoned on the back, FBI-style. An acronym and intimidating paperwork do not magically grant regulatory powers to an organization.

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    4. Re:Friday's Headline by Hi_2k · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, Have you met those Boy scouts? They've got a salute, songs... They're a cult! What other purpose could those wooden cars serve than as mind control devieces?

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    5. Re:Friday's Headline by AvantLegion · · Score: 5, Funny
      "IT Department of Japanese Government Raided by BSA"

      "Ha ha, stupid Americans, we're running Rinux!"

    6. Re:Friday's Headline by forgotmypassword · · Score: 2, Funny

      That would be Rinuxa!

    7. Re:Friday's Headline by term8or · · Score: 4, Informative

      Because people are stupid enough to let them in. Even the police can't enter your property without either your concent or a warrant (with limited exceptions such as entering during a chase, or when they believe human life is in danger). The BSA can not enter your property without concent PERIOD.

      If they accuse you of any crime inform them that you will sue them for slander if they make false allegations, that if they continue to harass you you will take legal action, that you will call the police immediately if they do no leave your property, and remind them that any action will require them to make a full disclosure in front of a court.

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    8. Re:Friday's Headline by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 2, Insightful
      No, but it would seem that money sometimes does...

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    9. Re:Friday's Headline by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Except they normally show up accompanied by armed federal marshals.

      http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php /7 26821

      http://global.bsa.org/southafrica/press/newsrele as es/2001-05-25.617.phtml

      http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/news/column s/ 97-09/e3516034.htm

      http://archive.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/01/ 01 /29/010129opfoster.xml

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    10. Re:Friday's Headline by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Either /. lameness filter or maybe a cookie thing.

      In any event, google for "BSA raids" and read some of the stuff. Or try hunting down the spaces /. inserts and remove them.

      Virtually every raid has the BSA accompanied by agents of the government.

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  7. Bought politicians... by sadler121 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Too bad Microsoft has bought enough politicians here in the US to keep the company from conforming to anti trust laws. *sigh* Good thing I am starting to make my transition to Linux now, though if the **AA's had there way, Linux would be made illegal cause it circumvents DRM. :-(

  8. Invasion! by MidoriKid · · Score: 3, Funny

    Call up the troops! It's Pearl Harbor all over again!

    1. Re:Invasion! by chaboud · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, shame they didn't think about doing this in December. God, that would have been great.

      A couple of years ago, the Bank of Japan's Washington, DC office scheduled their annual holiday party on December 7th and sent out invitations before realizing that they had invited economists from every nation to a bash on Pearl Harbor Day.

      Needless to say, Greenspan did not attend.

    2. Re:Invasion! by mcpkaaos · · Score: 4, Funny

      We can send in the Enola Gates... and watch it plummet into the sea, just short of its target.

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    3. Re:Invasion! by flacco · · Score: 4, Interesting
      A couple of years ago, the Bank of Japan's Washington, DC office scheduled their annual holiday party on December 7th and sent out invitations before realizing that they had invited economists from every nation to a bash on Pearl Harbor Day.

      a decade or two ago, when japanese productivity was the marvel of the industrialized world and US supremacy seemed in doubt, the documentation to some US-bound japanese VCR's included instructions on how to set the date, using December 7th as the example date.

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  9. Love them more.. by RancidLM · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow i hope they make a Anime about the raid!...
    Officer: Stop!
    M$: no!
    Officer: So, Be it.. we must Kungfoo Figh!...
    Then out of no where .. Giant Robots!!

    1. Re:Love them more.. by bersl2 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Officer: You have no chance to survive make your time!

      MS: Umm... no?

    2. Re:Love them more.. by EMH_Mark3 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Isn't there a limit of one joke per news post?

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    3. Re:Love them more.. by rholliday · · Score: 2, Funny

      ::Microsoft transforms into tentacle monster:: Officer: Wait, where did that little girl come from. What the ... Nooooooo!

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    4. Re:Love them more.. by rholliday · · Score: 2, Funny

      MS: Make my time? Okay, "time.microsoft.com." If you think it's a time server, Ha Ha Ha Ha ...

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    5. Re:Love them more.. by whiteranger99x · · Score: 4, Funny

      Then out of no where .. Giant Robots!!

      Bill Gates: I call on MicrosoftZords!

      *observe cheezy stock footage of Internet Explorer, Office, Media Player, IIS, and DirectX robots prance around for next to forever and combine into XPMegaZord. Wields DRM Sword and Product Activation Shield*

      Officer: We send Godzilla, Mothra, and Barbara Striesand!

      Bill Gates: I call on .net!

      *more cheezy footage of previous robots joining .Net to become 133tH4x0rZord. Blasts opponent with bribery and FUD attacks*

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    6. Re:Love them more.. by LousyPhreak · · Score: 3, Funny

      Officer: I call for a script kiddie!

      Bill Gates: NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

      2 sec later...

      133tH4x0rZord is 0wnz0r3d by script kiddie and slams Bill Gates into the ground.

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    7. Re:Love them more.. by Adriax · · Score: 2, Funny

      *more cheezy footage of previous robots joining .Net to become 133tH4x0rZord. Blasts opponent with bribery and FUD attacks*

      Officer: We must help them!
      Other officers: Right!

      Officer1: Godzilla, digivolve to... *godzilla is engulfed in light* MechaGodzilla!
      Officer2: Mothra, digivolve to... *mothra is engulfed in light* Mozilla!
      Officer3: Barbara Striesand, digivolve to... *barbara striesand is engulfed in light* Mecha Barbara Striesand!

      *chaotic battle that destroys most of tokyo ensues*

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  10. Will They Learn? by 36526542DD · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When will the governments of the world learn that Microsoft WILL do absolutely anything it can to achieve and maintain market dominance.

    Microsoft's objective hasn't changed since day 1: control.

    Microsoft would much rather control a broken protocol than use or contribute to an open one.

    Microsoft would rather squash or buy out competitors instead of compete on a level playing field.

    The only 2 things that can change this behavior are Open Source and government restrictions, in that order. (Increased public awareness and understanding is considered part of Open Source.)

    Long live Open Source!

    1. Re:Will They Learn? by understyled · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When will the governments of the world learn that Microsoft WILL do absolutely anything it can to achieve and maintain market dominance?

      when the governments of the world learn that this is how capitalism works.

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    2. Re:Will They Learn? by apoplectic · · Score: 2

      1) I'm sure that day 1, from the basement, Bill said "It's not about the money; it is about control!" 2) Name one company that wouldn't rather squash or buy out its competitors! I'm all for open source, but don't blind yourself with exaggeration and tunnel vision.

    3. Re:Will They Learn? by 36526542DD · · Score: 5, Insightful

      when the governments of the world learn that this is how capitalism works.

      I disagree.

      There are plenty of companies in the IT world that play fair, work together to form open protocols for the greater good, and don't stoop to what amounts to sabotage (think of how Microsoft has bastardized CSS to protect IE's market dominance) to increase their straglehold on the market.

      I'm all for capitalization, but Microsoft doesn't play by any of the rules, written or otherwise, unless they are forced to or it meets their objectives.

    4. Re:Will They Learn? by 36526542DD · · Score: 5, Insightful

      1) Don't kid yourself, Bill never spent any time starving in a basement doing development. Grandpa Gates and all his grandkids, Bill included, have always had plenty to go around. Bills education was handed to him on a silver platter, and his success (which he deserves, he is a shrewd business man with an eye for opportunity) owes it's existence to that fact.

      And if you review a little Micro-Soft history (hyphen intentional) you'll see that control has always been an underlying factor in their decisions and actions. Bill certainly never said it's about being open, even when the entire software industry was open.

      2) Red Hat, SUSE, and Intel to name a few. Intel? Yes, Intel supports many open standards and by and large I'd say they "play by the rules". Are the agressive at business? Absolutely. But does that mean they sabotage open standards (like Microsoft repeatedly does to CSS) to ensure their success? No, they don't.

      Make no mistake, the current IT environment (except for open source) is just how Microsoft wants it. They continually do things to keep consumers stupid (like hiding file extensions by default, still! All that does is ensure that everyone and their dog clicks on hot_sex.jpg.exe and gets the latest virus, but it keeps consumers stupid, just the way Microsoft likes it). They continually do things to break standards, knowing that 90% of websites will be designed to Microsofts munged versions of the standard and look great in IE, but somehow not render right in other browsers.

      There's plenty more, but it's getting late and you don't want to hear it anyway...

    5. Re:Will They Learn? by bersl2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      1. They're both pretty despicable, once you get to his magnitude. If not those two, then why else does he do it?

      The problem is that he has strayed too far into the realm of pragmatism. Most of the world is pragmatic, so he gets sympathy from them. It is our job to show him what happens when you forsake all ideals, for a change.

      2. (With apologies to any "strict" Keynesians out there) Milton Friedman: 'I have called it a "fundamentally subversive doctrine" in a free society, and have said that in such a society, "there is one and only one social responsibility of business-to use it (sic) resources and engage in activities designed to increase its profits so long as it stays within the rules of the game, which is to say, engages in open and free competition without deception or fraud."' (boldface and emphasis mine)

      Sounds good to me. By this, also sounds like Microsoft needs to get what should come to it.

    6. Re:Will They Learn? by 36526542DD · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think it is the same "Micro$oft Sux!" banter we hear so much from us Linux zealots. At least it was not intended in that spirit.

      I admire what Microsoft has accomplished technologically. XP really is a good operating system, especially considering how young 32 bit GUI operating systems are in the scheme of things.

      My point is not what Microsoft has accomplished, but how they've gone about it.

      Take for instance their efforts to keep IE on top of the mountain:

      1) With CSS they released their own buggy variant of the code, with carefully chosen deviations from the open standard, knowing full well that 90% of websites would be developed to their munged standard instead of the actual open CSS specification. The result they were after? When someone looks at a site in another browser, it mysteriously doesn't render right. "This browser sucks!", they say, as they go back to IE.

      Similar tactics were used with HTML, JavaScript, JAVA, XML, and a host of others. Microsoft knows exactly what they are doing in this arena, and it is dirty pool!

      2) Using their monopoly status to strongarm computer manufacturers to put IE and only IE on the desktop. Imagine if Microsoft no longer allowed Dell to ship Microsoft OS's on their computers. So, of course, Dell MUST comply, or wither and die on the vine. It took the feds stepping in to sort of stop this particular instance, but they same type of tactics are used against the computer manufacturers continually to meet Microsofts objectives.

      3) Claiming IE must be part of the OS and can't be removed. This is a load of crap tantamount to perjury. I have standalone versions of IE 6, 5.5, and 5 that all run independantly on my XP just fine.

      Over and over again Microsoft has shown they'll play dirty pool doing whatever they can get away with, very well orchestrated and thought out (as in the case of CSS), unless they are forced by more than an act of congress.

      Everyone loses except Microsoft. Yes, Microsoft deserves our appreciation for creating the digital world we have today, but a world of open standards is far preferred from here on out. And Microsoft won't take that future lying down. They'll just plain take the future by lying (and cheating, and stealing, and strongarming, and...).

    7. Re:Will They Learn? by bersl2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Make no mistake, if Microsoft were to disappear tomorrow it would throw the entire world into chaos. These things need to happen gradually through normal market forces.

      I would say that to be one of the reasons not to permit monopolies. Normal market forces had nothing to do with Microsoft's rise to absolute power.

    8. Re:Will They Learn? by nametaken · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Microsoft would rather squash or buy out competitors instead of compete on a level playing field."

      Obviously nobody likes a company that "squashes" other companies, but buy outs involve at least two parties. I'm less inclined to be upset about those.

    9. Re:Will They Learn? by 36526542DD · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Buy-outs on the up and up I have no problem with.

      But there have been a number of instances in which company A meets with Microsoft about Microsoft licensing company A's new technology, only to have Microsoft either just plain come out with the exact same thing 2 months later, or threaten to do so if company A doesn't sell at a ridiculously low price.

      In that case, your only choice is get what you can out of the company and move on, or fight a (usually) losing battle in court against a heavily funded beheamoth with more lawyers that the District of Columbia.

      There have been a number of small companies fight back (and some have won), and for that they have my respect. But I can't blame the others for selling out.

      But no, I have no problem with a legitimate buy-out.

    10. Re:Will They Learn? by bersl2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Decent enough point. Nothing worth arguing.

      Though to make myself feel better, I'm going to state a few vague facts:
      1. Microsoft's anti-competitive behavior goes back to the early days of DOS.
      2. Using the leverege resulting from above actions, Microsoft bought their talent. You know the NT kernel? That's the work of VMS's creator, bought from DEC. He wrote NT all the way up to 3.51. Microsoft subsequently cut him out. NT hasn't been the same since. (This statement has been pieced together from several sources, including a former DEC employee.)

      OK, I feel better now.

    11. Re:Will They Learn? by 36526542DD · · Score: 5, Insightful

      1) I'm an owner of a web design firm, and let me tell you, Microsoft screwing with CSS, HTML etc is a MAJOR problem that affects more than just web designers.

      The only fair way to approach the problem is to compare the world with and without this tactic. We know what it is with this tactic (spend a few minutes surfing the net, or a few hours designing a site and trying to get it to look right in the different browsers).

      If Microsoft played nice with the other children, CSS would be a far more powerful standard, reducing filesizes and load times for all, the energy and time wasted screwing with Microsoft could be spent on more productive things, I wouldn't be wasting my time writing this comment, and new and exciting features could be created as part of the open standard.

      Instead we have to settle with what we have, a bunch of half broken, half implemented standards.

      And this is just CSS, the problem is just as bad with JavaScript & worse with XML. And no, 99.9% of the sites do not work correctly in Firefox (and it's not because Firefox isn't a good browser, because it's a great browser). I still need to open IE daily for sites with broken JavaScript or pages that only partially render.

      Open standards benefit everyone. Period.

      2) I read your entire linked post, and can see why the decision makes sense for OEM's. It's a no-brainer for them. But it is a clear case of Microsoft abusing their monopoly status to crush the little guys. Is Microsoft threatened by Linux? You bet. Do they want Dell shipping servers with Red Hat on them? No way.

      And the difference between market domination and a monopoly are that one can be abused, the other cannot.

      Ford does not have the leverage to go to the gas stations and demand they only sell Ford compatible gas. But that is exactly what Microsoft does, and gets away with in the computer industry. (Ford doesn't have the same type of market dominance as Microsoft. Few do. That is the point.)

      3) Bundling is just another abuse of monopoly power and it isn't good for consumers. Microsoft constantly and consistently tries to keep consumers dumb, and they succeed. 90% of the desktops out there don't show file extensions, this is bad for consumers (think virus's, in particular) and good for Microsoft (no one knows what a .doc file is, they just know it has a big blue W on it).

      I don't want to force open source on people anymore than I want Microsoft jammed down my throat. I should have the right to buy a Dell computer with nothing on it, if I so choose. That isn't (or at least hasn't been) the case.

      Here's to the future! May it be open.

    12. Re:Will They Learn? by Qrlx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you're holding up Bill Gates as the poster boy for "market forces" then you must have missed just about everything the company has done in about the past ten years. Sure their rise was phenomenal, and in fact I think it's the trap of their success that has pushed Gates to the draconian (and felonious) measures to ensure that noone strays from the One Microsoft Way. When 95% of the world's PCs run your OS, there aren't really that many new markets to establish, or profits to reap. Now he must squeeze those he's got, and keep them in his grasp. Many people aren't going to buy a new computer in the next few years. How can Microsoft keep the revenue coming in? Surely it's only in the best interests of the shareholders to assert some of that vast power and market influence for the good of the company.

      Ah, You can't have it both ways. You can't claim that "market forces" or the "invisible hand" led to Microsoft's dominant position and then look the other way when Microsoft twists the arm of the OEMs to crush BeOS. Or when they blatanly lied about the inseperability of IE from Windows and then spent the next five years deliberately entangling the two so that now, in fact, IE dlls perform core GUI functions.

      Is capitalism a Machiavellian endeavor? Or are there rules to this game? I think how someone addresses this is predictive of their view on the "Is Microsoft Evil" question.

    13. Re:Will They Learn? by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think Microsoft introduces (most) bugs on purpose. I really think that, given current evidence, thinking so is being irrationally paranoid.

      There are a couple of things that could really have been intentionally done, like breaking Netscape's server. However, bugs *do* happen in the software world, and barring very strong evidence to the contrary, Microsoft should, I think, get the benefit of the doubt.

      On the other hand, Microsoft *does* put people in a position where they definitely are not going to be able to produce a high-quality piece of code. They may simply not have enough time to develop something. Microsoft isn't going to give them more resources, because a flawless implementation doesn't benefit Microsoft any, and *does* help them.

      Do I think that Microsoft would fix the flaws in IE if they had competition with more market share? You bet. But that's different from saying that they deliberately introduced bugs. I'm sure some variations from standards were intentional -- heck, Linus deviates from standards that he thinks are severely technically flawed -- but I don't think that it's a matter of course or intended as a business advantage.

      Frankly, I'm quite frusterated by people that use IE. A large chunk of the problems I get from people are from them using IE. I can't understand how they can stand using the Web with ad banners, popunders, and all kinds of adware aimed at them. IE users *suffer*, and it's irritating to see them having to deal with such bad software. Plus, it cripples adoption of certain things like PNG (or *any* images with alpha channels, really) that would be beneficial to the Web-using community at large.

    14. Re:Will They Learn? by xandroid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "if Microsoft were to disappear tomorrow it would throw the entire world into chaos"

      I have a feeling this isn't really the case, especially with the attention span the American public has these days. (Sure, it'd affect all countries, but I think America would be the hardest hit, and what the American media says, goes...) I think the media would be in a frenzy for two days, talk about it for a week, and have largely forgotten about it after a month. As for everyone who currently uses Microsoft software well, they'd just continue using Microsoft software. Organizations that are dependent upon Microsoft software would definitely start looking into viable currently-maintained operating systems and software, which would certainly be a big leg up for...well, everyone else but Microsoft.

      But there wouldn't be chaos. IT pros would have a few sleepless nights hunched over computers, but most people would rest easy.

      "These things need to happen gradually through normal market forces."

      I don't think that's necessary, but I do think that's the only way things are actually gonna happen. Of course we can talk about what would happen if Microsoft disappeared off the face of the earth, but let's be real it's just not gonna.

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    15. Re:Will They Learn? by understyled · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm all for capitalization, but Microsoft doesn't play by any of the rules, written or otherwise, unless they are forced to or it meets their objectives.

      and this is different from the gazillion other corporate whores that exist nowadays how? i'm not just going by the IT world. business is business, and unfortunately, there's a percentage of the population that believes profit > * . what's that, nike? you can get me running shoes that cost you 12 pesos to make but are selling for 200 usd? sweet!! where do i sign?

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    16. Re:Will They Learn? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Er, no, WinXP isn't a good OS. It's a nice GUI, yes. It's also a decent standalone desktop system, and (at least comparably) wonderful for games.

      However, it's a shitty OS. It integrates on networks poorly. The underlying implimentation of their permission scheme is screwed up the wazoo. Locking a machine down for the desktop(let's say comparable to a -default- RedHat desktop install) takes a LOT of work and requires a lot of research to figure out how to do in the first place. It has a browser built into the core function of the OS, ffs! (or so they claim - and it is indeed a pain in the ass to rip it out). The list goes on, and on, and on as to why WinXP (or any other windows) is not a good operating system.

      Say it's good for mom and pop to hack away email to their kids; say it's good for your porn and games; don't lie and say it's a good OS. (Even still, those things are only true if you don't use Outlook/IE, but it'll suffice for those tasks with about an hour's worth of updating and restarting).

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    17. Re:Will They Learn? by RoLi · · Score: 2, Insightful
      when the governments of the world learn that this is how capitalism works.

      I can't believe something stupid as this can be modded up as "insigutful".

      What you describe (ignore all laws) is called an anarchy, not capitalism.

      Capitalism is a system depending on a free market where everybody plays by the rules set by the book of laws. Just like murdering the CEO of a competing firm is not "how capitalism works", breaking anti-trust law is also not "how capitalism works". Actually the latter is a law created only to keep up a free market and to protect capitalism.

    18. Re:Will They Learn? by bugbread · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes. They're called small companies. It's like saying "people aren't interested in sex. There are plenty of 1 year olds who have no interest in sex whatsoever."

    19. Re:Will They Learn? by mariox19 · · Score: 2, Funny
      ...hiding file extensions by default, still! All that does is ensure that everyone and their dog clicks on hot_sex.jpg.exe and gets the latest virus...

      I guess they could make it so that extensions denoting executables are never hidden. That would be a start.

      But, the saying goes: "As soon as you idiot-proof something, they will build a better idiot." ;-)

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    20. Re:Will They Learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Your hot_sex.jpg.exe wasn't a link. Could you repost because the URL got lost... please? I clicked on it several times, but alas, it was simply text.

    21. Re:Will They Learn? by 36526542DD · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ever heard of punch cards & paper tape? Really hard to secure those.

      The Altair had just started coming out, and it was just accepted that people would share and improve upon your software, and that would circulate around and you'd enjoy the benefit of that.

      Then Bill Gates out and out called the whole hobbiest market (of which he was recently a part and benefactor of) "thieves" for stealing his software and changing it.

    22. Re:Will They Learn? by ThisIsFred · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think showing extensions is going to fix anything. The problem is that Outlook uses the same registry database as the rest of Windows for determining what to do with files (based on file name extensions and associated applications). So filetypes like .html, .jpg, .gif, .mid, .wav, etc., open automatically. The actual format of the file doesn't matter, it's just handed over to shell execute based on those three characters after the period. The shell routine apparently ignores the extension and looks inside the file to determine if it is choosing the correct helper application. -Oh, it's actually a Windows executable? No problem!- Boom! Your machine is infected.

      Microsoft could greatly improve Outlook's security by giving the program its own minimal, user-configurable filetype registry. It could further improve it by making HTML available as a MIME-encoded attachment only. However, I didn't design or write Outlook and OE, so I have no idea how complicated this might be.

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      "A fool and his freedom are soon parted"
      -RMS
    23. Re:Will They Learn? by 36526542DD · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1) Control == Profits, or at least that is the plan in Redmond. If Microsoft ~controls~ the desktop, they can profit thereby. If not, why even put out a free browser? Not for the profit. Not for the ad revenue. Not to be nice. It is for control. And when you are in control, you can make the rules about where the money goes (into your bank account).

      2) I care if they support open standards, and every other user of the internet should, too. To profit from the rise of computers and the internet, through means that will hasten its demise, is both short-sighted and unnecessary. And I never said being agressive was bad.

      I think Intel would like to beat the competition, their actions would indicate there are reasonable limits they'd go to in order to squash them.

      I dare anyone to point me to a business that wouldn't want to squash the competition.

      Open your eyes. Apparently you are unaware of the relationship between Red Hat and the umpteen companies that ship derivative products using their source code! There is a huge difference between wanting to be as profitable as reasonably possible (no problem) and seeking to destroy the competition through any means possible (problem).

      The business world is like the sports world. If the rules were taken out of basketball the game may be entertaining to those with room in their heads for all-star wrestling, but it would destroy the game for those that loved it, and would spell the end of basketball.

      Likewise, if we are to avoid such a fate in computers, the internet, and indeed all businesses and industries, the collective parties involved must obey the common rules of decency. Otherwise, the market will simply be full of Enron's, Qwest's, SCO's, Verisigns, and the like.

  11. Why couldn't the FBI do this? by Epoch+of+Entropy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As covered in a previous story here , why couldn't the FBI do that on MS's home turf?

    I'm willing to bet the anti-trust trial would have made more headway.

  12. i read the bbc article and.. by plasm4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and it seems to me that they are protecting Japanese companies from alleged abuse on my Microsoft's part in contracts.

    nothing sissy about that.

  13. Heh... by Lane.exe · · Score: 2, Funny
    Japanese bureaucrat -- "Mistah Gates -- you ha blought dishonah upon you house an you famiry. Heyah is you tanto an katana. You selvant Steve Barmel wir be arong shotly to herp wit you seppuku. Sayonara."

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    1. Re:Heh... by tftp · · Score: 3, Informative

      It would be quite difficult to attempt sepukku with a katana.

    2. Re:Heh... by lth · · Score: 2, Informative

      Perhaps that is what the 'tanto' (a short knife) is for..

      The katana is probably just extra service, in case Gates can find someone willing to behead him and stop his most painfull and honorable suicide.

      The art of Seppukku

    3. Re:Heh... by SoTuA · · Score: 3, Informative
      The katana is probably just extra service, in case Gates can find someone willing to behead him and stop his most painfull and honorable suicide.

      No, the katana is there to make his suicide honorable. You see, few people can resist cutting out his/her entrails without quite a bit of screaming and thrashing.

      So, the person who his killing him/herself slices himself open, and the assistant will gauge the moment when it looks the guy/gal can't hold a minute longer without howling his/her head off, and then beheads him/her. That way, the person faced death bravely and not whinning like an animal.

  14. Never saw them coming? by nodwick · · Score: 5, Funny
    That's funny, as I was reading the billionth story about Microsoft this week, I was just thinking exactly the same thing about the monopoly jokes ...

    What happened to the good old days when we had RIAA and SCO jokes to space out the Microsoft ones?

    1. Re:Never saw them coming? by rholliday · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey kids! Choose your Monopoly joke from the following options: A. They should have played with the shoe. I never lose when I play with the shoe! B. How many time were they told, you only get one hotel! I don't care if it is Park Place! C. Hey! I see you! Stop trying to pretend you're on "Just Visiting!"

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    2. Re:Never saw them coming? by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm surprised that Microsoft doesn't code name their products "Boardwalk", "Park Place", etc. It would make for a great in-joke while the DOJ is turning a blind eye.

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      In Soviet America the banks rob you!
    3. Re:Never saw them coming? by CreatureComfort · · Score: 5, Funny


      Actually, I'd rather see Hasbro come out with a version of the game where the squares are labeled Windows, Windows NT, Windows 95, Internet Explorer, etc...

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      "Unheard of means only it's undreamed of yet,
      Impossible means not yet done." ~~ Julia Ecklar
    4. Re:Never saw them coming? by jtosburn · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wow. So instead of Jail, you have MS Bob?

      This is a great theme, actually! Free Parking would then become.....you guessed it! LINUX!!!!

  15. Foregin powers by Tennguin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is absolutely ridiculous that our rights (to free trade in this instance) in the United States are treated so lightly by our government.
    At every opportunity it seems the president is reinforcing "his commitment to spreading freedom throughout the world" yet it takes a foreign power to ultimately prove how hollow that sentiment is.
    When compared against Europe and Japan, the United States commitment to protecting its citizenry from overbearing coorperate powers is shown lacking time and again. I for one an tired of the hypocrisy.
    Its shameful that I have to look to another country with hope that something will be done to curb the monopolistic amoral appetite of these coorperations.
    For now I can only say "go Japan!". I'm embarrased by the entire predicament.

    1. Re:Foregin powers by Tennguin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Youre arugument is faulty because it compromises one individuals freedom (the stomped upon business) for another (the monopoly).

      Following your logic it would be a breech of my rights if the government prevented me from shooting my neighbor or digging up his bushes.

      It is important to remember there are TWO parties involded here.

    2. Re:Foregin powers by foniksonik · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What I see is that this is a great example of a truly global economy... instead of a US-centric gobal economy, ie: US companies get to be global but everyone else has to shut up and do what we say...

      I'm glad that foreign governments are taking up the challenge of overseeing these huge international corporations, as they should. Why should the US government be the only authority and take all the blame for imposing sanctions on our home-bred companies.

      In fact I foresee that governments will be begin working more closely with each other to regulate corporations by allowing and aiding each other in actions just like this... what better way to avoid reelection scandal regarding local economies and employments rates while still getting the effective results of having regulated locally.

      Soon corporations will get the picture that they can't go about doing whatever they want. Regardless of the political environment of one particular country, they will get hit by stiffer sanctions in the rest of the world... where they don't play such a large role in politics and their money isn't nearly as significant.

      It's global now boys... you're not in you're own backyard anymore.. time to learn how to play by new rules.

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    3. Re:Foregin powers by Justin+Ames · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Japan's "protection" of is consumer is a pick and choose one. Take for example, Japanese TVs. Imports were banned early on and the price of TVs were kept artificially high by the Japanese Government. The Japanese economy is highly regulated. Maybe that's why it is doing poorly.

    4. Re:Foregin powers by Killswitch1968 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Every bit of legislation always accomplishes one thing: Limiting our freedom.
      Your right to life and liberty means you can't kill anyone.
      Your right to unreasonable search and seizure means you can't go and steal from someone.

      The idea is to make a set of rights that are sensible and protect us without trampling our freedoms excessively.
      The difference between governments and corporations is choice. When a government says 'you can't kill your fellow man', you had better obey or you'll go to jail. Governments have a monopoly on law, you can't go to another government without leaving the state. But when a corporation charges you too much for a product, you don't have to buy it, you have choice. There's your difference.

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    5. Re:Foregin powers by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Anti-monopoly legislation costs me less liberty than the monopolies left unfettered would.

      Just ask anybody who's lived in a company town.

      Monopolies break the free market. If you think otherwise, you are a poor student of history. Or an objectivist. Which is often the same thing.

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    6. Re:Foregin powers by flacco · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Umm, isn't legislating against 'monopolies' a breach of rights (to free trade for instance)? [...] Corporations have become the new scapegoats for our failures as businesses and consumers.

      you don't really know what you're talking about. in order for the free market to work, there must be competition. when someone has a monopoly, they control the market, and there is no competition. that's why there are laws that discourage monopolies.

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    7. Re:Foregin powers by agm · · Score: 3, Informative

      ..how the hell do you think the US got to be the richest country in the world

      ..by keeping most of the north of South America and middle American countries like Haiti poor. By inserting paid for rebels into such countries to ensure strife and general unrest, and for what purpose? To have a lot of very cheap labour for US companies to take advantage of.

      And don't get me started on the Afganistan oil pipeline, the connection between Bush senior and Sadaam and the general bias the media has about such matters.

      Open your eyes people!

    8. Re:Foregin powers by RedBear · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Umm, isn't legislating against 'monopolies' a breach of rights (to free trade for instance)? Businesses should be able to do what they want, how the hell do you think the US got to be the richest country in the world? It wasn't just because of a war that happened 50 years ago.

      Corporations have become the new scapegoats for our failures as businesses and consumers.

      You're absolutely right. Businesses should be allowed to do exactly what they want. They should be allowed to get so big and powerful that they can control governments and become a physical, social and economic menace to entire populations. I'm sure you'd like that.

      Shee-it.

      By the way, it's been said a million times but it looks like it needs to be said a million more times: it's NOT ILLEGAL TO BE A MONOPOLY. It's only illegal to ABUSE A MONOPOLY POSITION. Because abusing a monopoly position leads to serious consequences that can end up destroying not just other related or competing businesses, but a country's entire economy and thus the lives of potentially millions of people. But why would we want to avoid potential economic disasters by regulating abusive monopolies? Hell if I know.

      Sometimes the mods really do seem to be smoking something.
    9. Re:Foregin powers by the_womble · · Score: 2, Insightful
      how the hell do you think the US got to be the richest country in the world

      Partly because it had effective anti-trust laws that ensured effective competition and hence free markets lead to economic efficiency

    10. Re:Foregin powers by Dusabre · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ..by keeping most of the north of South America and middle American countries like Haiti poor.,

      Bullshit. The US isn't rich because somebody else is poor. Wealth isn't a zero-sum game. Wealth is made by production of goods and its possible to get rich without robbing somebody. Why do you think we have 6 billion people living with food, cars, tvs and computers in 2004 compared to 100 million at 1AD with famine, mules, clay tablets and abacuses? Did the 6 billion rob somebody? [YES I KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY STARVING PEOPLE AND NOT EVERYONE HAS A PC, ETC, I'M MAKING A GENERAL STATEMENT ABOUT THE SUM INCREASE OF WEALTH]

      The countries and empires (Spanish, Mongol, etc.) that relied on looting of other's wealth collapsed because they lacked a viable internal production model, the only one that generates long-lasting wealth and poor.

    11. Re:Foregin powers by Pentagram · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Michael Moore is not smart, or clever, or insightful. He's a troll with a 16mm camera. You can rely on the fact that anything he says is a) inflammatory

      Well yes, he's an activist. What, you think you get political changes by making sure you don't hurt anyone's feelings?

      and b) wrong.

      Care to mention some of these factual errors?

    12. Re:Foregin powers by DarkSarin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      LOL..
      What I find amusing is that you automatically connect this to "right-wing" politics. Sorry, but you missed the political clue-boat.

      You see, it's NOT that the left wants laws and the right doesn't (in regards to corporations). In fact, BOTH sides are far too eager to pass more legislation that protects companies, as long as one thing remains constant: their side stays in power (and money).

      You see, this is one of the areas that I happen to agree with libertarians--the left and right are not so different when it comes to their goals. Both want to stay in power (and when you get right down to it, both would rather see the other party in power than libertarians or some other non-majority party [this is why the so-called campaign finance reform bills are so amusing--both sides have plenty of money, and the bills will always have the loopholes necessary to allow both parties to out perform the non-left/non-right groups (libs, green, indie)]).

      I do agree with you on this point though: there is a huge difference between liberty and lawlessness. To me, and I am not spouting any particular party line, the difference is this: your right to do whatever you want ends as soon as it damages another person.

      Where I disagree with many people from the left, and the libertarians, is where that line is, but that is a personal choice, and I alone am responsible for making it. Unfortunately, society MUST have standards that are accepted as the 'official' line of liberty/harm -- and that's where the holy wars begin and end.

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    13. Re:Foregin powers by sirReal.83. · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm "smoking something" right now, and i promise you if I had any mod points, I'd find a way to use them all to brand that fool Overrated. Hell, Enron fraudulently inflated stock prices, and the execs bailed out in time to make tens of millions, leaving former employees jobless and stripped of their life savings. Thousands of lives totally fucked. Yeah, every company should do shit like that.

  16. Japanese Anti-Monopoly Laws by ShawnDoc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Did anyone even know they had any? Last I checked the Japanese government was all for large overreaching companies.

    1. Re:Japanese Anti-Monopoly Laws by chazwurth · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Perhaps the problem is with large overreaching foreign companies?

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  17. Sweet Buttery Jesus! by 0x0d0a · · Score: 5, Funny

    The United States couldn't finish the Microsoft case during the Clinton administration, but it may be the Japanese that cause Microsoft to adopt tactics conducive to competition.

    They gave us anime, lots of neat consumer electronics, and Microsoft a slap upside the head. Japan gets two thumbs up from me.

  18. Back to the 1998 by Silphire · · Score: 3, Interesting

    On November 1998, Japan's Fair Trade Comission has alerted Microsoft to force bundling Word/Excel. It was just alert, but it's raid this time!

  19. Re:What a bunch of sissies. by irokitt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Matsushita, JVC, and Sony are Japanese corporations, which the Japanese government is probably very interested in protecting. The large businesses/corporations of Japan have considerable influence in their government, moving beyond petty lobbying towards very strong and well-set puppet strings. It wouldn't surprise me if the raid was taken on in part to protect the interests of a Japanese firm or two.

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  20. Re:What a bunch of sissies. by TheIzzy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Come on, sack up and go after someone who has persistently leveraged monopolistic control to promote inferior technology (Intel, Matsushita, JVC, Sony), rather than someone that your government can't currently do without.

    The article doesn't really say, but I'm thinking it's just that Microsoft stepped on the wrong toes. It's not like Japan is banning Microsoft from doing business in Japan, but more like a little warning. This is less anoying than a flybite to the big MS.

  21. Re:All Your Patents Belong To Us ! by iCEBaLM · · Score: 4, Funny

    Shouldn't it be:

    In A.D. 2004
    War was beginning.
    NEC: What happen ?
    Dell: Somebody set up us the contract.
    Dell: We get signal.
    NEC: What !
    Dell: Main screen turn on.
    NEC: It's You !!
    Microsoft: How are you gentlemen !!
    Microsoft: All your patent are belong to us.
    Microsoft: You are on the way to bankruptcy.
    NEC: What you say !!
    Microsoft: You have no chance to survive make your time.
    Microsoft: HA HA HA HA ....
    Japan: Take off every 'cop' !!
    Japan: You know what you doing.
    Japan: Move 'cop'.
    Japan: For great justice.

  22. Am I the only one who think... by ruyon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It might not have happened if MS were Japanese company?

    1. Re:Am I the only one who think... by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And I the only one who thinks that the anti trust case that basically fell apart in the U.S. against MS, fell apart because MS is an American company?

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    2. Re:Am I the only one who think... by Sodakar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Fair question.

      I've read enough slashdot and yahoo.co.jp articles to have a feel for where that country stands -- to me, it appears as though Japan is no slacker when it comes to keeping the 'net in check... (Heck, a country that offers 45+Mbps ADSL for $30/mo *should* have some clue about policing that network...)

      They actually have a spam law -- heck, they've had it for quite some time -- way before us...

      Sigh... Can't find the article, but I *know* for a fact they've acted on this spam law within months, and fined several companies pretty large fines (~$100k+). So... they're not afraid to pull the trigger...

      They've raided Japanese p2p authors, users, and shut down websites

      Well, you get the drift... They're not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but it would appear to me that the government is in no way practicing any "special treatment" -- be it one way or another...

      Just my 2 yen...

    3. Re:Am I the only one who think... by blastedtokyo · · Score: 4, Interesting
      And yet we (in Japan) still get spam that we have to pay for on our cell phones multiple times a day.

      I think the statement is 'Japan's no slacker when it comes to keeping the nation's monopolies in power.' They'll bust little guys all the time, but only to protect the dinosaurs.

  23. what's improper about the patents? by ajagci · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft Japan is suspected of attaching improper restrictive conditions when signing software deals with Japanese personal computer manufacturers, such as requiring that Japanese companies allow infringement of their patents."

    A deal "allowing infringement of one's patent" is more commonly referred to as a "patent license". I don't see anything improper about that

    The problem is the monopoly itself, not the specific conditions that Microsoft can impose using that monopoly. Forcing manufacturers to license their patents is no more or less injurious than forcing consumers to pay $200 for Windows XP Home.

    1. Re:what's improper about the patents? by Osty · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is the monopoly itself, not the specific conditions that Microsoft can impose using that monopoly.

      Let me first say that I don't know Japan's antitrust legislation, but at least here in the US you're absolutely and completely wrong. Monopolies are not, and have never been, illegal. In fact, many monopolies are well-supported by governments (think about your cable carrier -- chances are, there's only one in your area, and if you want cable you don't get a choice). Monopolies only become a problem when they are used to impose consumer-harming conditions. Your XP Home example is bad, as the price of Windows XP Home is right on par with the price for Windows ME, 95, 98, 3.1, etc.

    2. Re:what's improper about the patents? by ajagci · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Let me first say that I don't know Japan's antitrust legislation, but at least here in the US you're absolutely and completely wrong. Monopolies are not, and have never been, illegal.

      Where did I say that monopolies are "illegal" in the US? I said that the monopoly is a problem.

      In fact, many monopolies are well-supported by governments (think about your cable carrier -- chances are, there's only one in your area, and if you want cable you don't get a choice).

      Yes, and those monopolies are usually regulated. Microsoft is not regulated. Regulation of monopolies is one way of reducing their negative effects.

      Monopolies only become a problem when they are used to impose consumer-harming conditions.

      Yes, like charging too much money or stifling innovation. You know, like what Microsoft id doing.

      Your XP Home example is bad, as the price of Windows XP Home is right on par with the price for Windows ME, 95, 98, 3.1, etc.

      Yes, and those were way overpriced as well.

  24. Correction by irokitt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They don't have a problem with large overreaching Japanese companies, that's for sure. But Microsoft comes from America (or Satan-guys, don't post Slashdot after taking cough syrup).

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    1. Re:Correction by line.at.infinity · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If Japan were as outrageously biased as that, the WTO would threaten Japan with a huge penalty. I can't believe this post is being moderated as (+5, Interesting). It should be (-1, watched too many sensationalist anti-Japanese movies). Did MS leash their legion of astroturfing moderators today?

  25. Coming soon... by Trillan · · Score: 2, Funny

    Microsoft Island.

    A small island, in international waters, where Microsoft can conspir... err, schem... err, work... without fear of government raids.

    C'mon. You just know they're thinking about it...

  26. Re:Hypocripsy by etymxris · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Japanese companies can do whatever they want regardless of the patent holder.
    Technology in the country seems to have progressed quite well without such enforcement. Why do we enforce patents again?
  27. This is awesome by alan_dershowitz · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hope they show a Japanese official on C-Span trying to pronounce "Ballmer"

  28. Re:Hypocripsy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In this case, they aren't recognizing patents held by foreign companies.

    It's sort of like in WWII, where we seized Bayer's patents. Except Japan *always does this*.

  29. Re:NEWSFLASH: COMPANY WANTS TO MAKE MONEY!!! by 36526542DD · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually I'm the president of a company that has used open source profitably for over 5 years, and it does pay the bills. Very nicely in fact.

    Thanks goes to the developers of Linux, Apache, MySQL (and other databases), PHP, and others.

    And yes, I want my company to make money, which it does. But there are more important things than that, and there are plenty of profitable companies (open source or otherwise) to prove that money can be made hand over fist without resorting to Microsofts tactics.

  30. More power to em! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's high time Japan start addressing unfair American trade practices. Millions of Japanese jobs have been lost to American corporations taking advantage of lax trade laws while the xenophobic American populace refuses to buy anything built by the "gaijins".

    Oh wait, I think I have that backwards.

  31. Yup by rixstep · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yup - that's the way it went for Al Capone too. They finally get Bill Gates for tax evasion and he'll have to move to Florida.

  32. Re:What a bunch of sissies. by chaboud · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sony has leveraged its positions in both media and consumer electronics to push an admittedly superior to DVD-Audio format (SACD). Phillips beat RAMBUS to the "standardize my patents, suckers" game with CD. JVC with VHS, etc...

    Matsushita and Sony were both found to have scale monopolies (price-fixing) in Europe. Japanese business is famous not only for its oligopolistic practices (keiretsu), but also its strong influence over the decisions of the modern Japanese government.

    Besides, the root comment is an obvious troll. Admit that governments shelter their domestic businesses and move along.

  33. Re:other side of the world by Rasta+Prefect · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Maybe the Japanese can get away with this awful corporate indignity because they didn't "elect" Bush to head their country. If we say our prayers and vote with our brains in November, we might begin to approach the level of corporate accountability of Japan, Inc, and Junior will be free to follow his outsourced job to friendlier shores.

    Are you kidding me? They're getting away with it because it's a foriegn company. Japanese corporations get away with things we'd never dream of in this country. They have no trouble with overreaching corporations as long as they're there own. Japanese trade policy has always seen Japanese Companies and government working hand in hand to pry open foreign markets by every means nessecary, and the nature of the complaints has Japanese coporate complaint all over them.

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  34. Details. Speculative. by utahjazz · · Score: 4, Funny

    From my knowledge of Asian culture, I believe these are the most likely scenarios:

    1) Microsoft had discovered an ancient form of super-Karate, and was training hordes of minions in the art, with plans to take over the world. But, a lone anti-trust agent, has discovered a long lost form of Karate that is even more powerful. He, a few trusty sidekicks with little fighting experience, and a girl with an unusual aptitude for fighting, raid Microsoft and defeat the faceless hordes. Finally Steve Ballmer himself leaps into the fray for a one-on-one fight to the death with the hero. Ballmer is defeated, and begs to be spared. The girl leaps in to finish him, but the hero holds her back, showing mercy to Ballmer. As the hero and heroine walk away, Ballmer leaps at them with a knife, and the hero sidesteps, and cuts Ballmer in half.

    2) Microsoft is fashioning a set of super swords that, if combined, will have the power to ....never mind.

  35. 1 Way by Flamesplash · · Score: 5, Funny

    While I've worked for MS before and may again I always find their street address rather funny/ironic.

    One Microsoft Way

    Redmond, WA

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    1. Re:1 Way by Flamesplash · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When I interned there my two times I found that being a not top level employee of the company, you are shielded from anything that may be going on, so you don't see, and you just see a happy place that is both fun to work at and be at.

      I almost wish whatever was going on at the top level was more pervasive so people knew what was actually going on on a more personal level and make their decisions that way.

      That said, I really have no clue what's going on at the top level, I just know if anything is it's all up there, and all the other employees are just trying to produce kick ass products despite what other issues may get in the way.

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    2. Re:1 Way by shanen · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, I think it was probably the Odakyu Southern Terrace (Tower?) that got raided, so I'll give a bit of context... I frequently eat in a pretty good Tex-Mex restaurant in the basement. (Well, actually it's considered a basement even though it's at ground level on one side. The building is actually built into a hill.) Nice new building, white, about 25 stories, with "Microsoft" written on the top left corner. It's about a 4-minute walk south from Shinjuku Station, which may be the busiest train station in the world, but it's actually located in Shibuya-ku. Actually my manager is the one who checked the address--I didn't think Shibuya-ku extended so far to the north.

      Too bad I wasn't visiting Tokyo today. If it was a really good raid, maybe I'd have been able to see them throwing papers and hard disks out of the top floors.

      (It also might have been a different Microsoft office that's actually closer to Shibuya Station, but I can't give any context for that. It's not really my kind of neighborhood and I don't know it very well, though the Tex-Mex place has a branch there, too.)

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    3. Re:1 Way by Flamesplash · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's just on casual friday

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  36. Re:What a bunch of sissies. by Tony · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The large businesses/corporations of Japan have considerable influence in their government, moving beyond petty lobbying towards very strong and well-set puppet strings.

    Fortunately, American companies don't influence our government.

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  37. Re:Hypocripsy by ratsnapple+tea · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can you give a specific example or two? I'm not saying you're full of shit, but I'd like to look into this if it's true.

  38. Not missed at all. by juuri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    However my point is that as a company you have to pay attention to more and more rules. If you don't then you end up in a situation like the present one Microsoft finds themselves in.

    While one legal ruling in one country may hold absolutely no weight in another, any company that assumes it won't entice other countries to look for similar laws is not only doing themselves a disservice but acting out of arrogance. While the rules ARE different from country to country, as a global organization, you have to be aware of all of them and make sure your corporation is covering all of its bases in each distinct zone but at the same time balance this against sets of created expectations.

    Assuming one can just have very specific terms and rules for one country is dangerous... for example if in Croatia Microsoft relaxes desktop icon restriction and certain license requirements to fit in with local law, how do they then deny the same changes and benefits to Serbia?

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    1. Re:Not missed at all. by mcrbids · · Score: 5, Interesting

      However my point is that as a company you have to pay attention to more and more rules. If you don't then you end up in a situation like the present one Microsoft finds themselves in.

      Except that a company is not an individual. MS Japan is more than likely a separate corporate entity from (and with strong contractual ties to) MS Redmond.

      MS India, same thing. It's a different legal entity, with its own charter, etc. with the only stipulation being heavy contractual obligations to the parent company.

      If 50 people in Japan can come up with a clear legal strategy in Japan, why couldn't 50 people in Japan come up with a clear legal strategy in Japan with strong contractual ties to Redmond?

      This will have zero effect on MS Redmond, but does smear the name of MS even more.

      Microsoft is in 200x what IBM was in 197x. In 30 years, maybe MS will be the good guy again, too!

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    2. Re:Not missed at all. by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I was going to post "hell no", but then I realized just how different IBM is now than it was then. IBM used to be a mainframe company. Now they are a service company that happens to sell mainframes.

      Microsoft is an operating system and software company. I'm envisioning them morphing into a huge educational services and training organization, that happens to bundle software. You read it here first.

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  39. Re:Hypocripsy by Yokaze · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Care to illustrate it a bit? Are you speaking from first hand experience, or hear-say?

    Unless you have a first hand experience, I doubt your assertion that the Japanese judicative does not upheld the right of foreign companies (which they have, thanks WIPO and TRIPS).

    Next, it seems a bit unlikely to me that someone from the US tries to enforce a patent in Japan by going through a Japanese law-suit instead of a US ligitation. US courts are more than willing to accept a case, when the there is any involvement with a US citizen, US company, or US subsidary.
    Not to mention that one had the favour of a American jury.

    The enforcement would also be no problem, unless it is a purely local company, which has no business, directly or indirectly, with the US. But I guess, such a company would be hard to find.

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  40. MS Pirated Their Own Software by f0rt0r · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Japanese arm of the BSA was part of the RAID, and found many unlicensed copies MS Office and Windows XP. When the head BSA agent called in the offense to the MS Piracy hotline from one of the office phones, the receptionist looked at the caller ID and said, "you make the software, you can't turn yourself in, you idiot!", and hung up.

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  41. as long as we are correcting katakana english... by interactive_civilian · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Let's try this one more time, but also throwing in the typical Japanese grammar mistakes as well. This is not the standard romanizing of Japanese text, but I am rather trying to acurately convey the pronunciation to those who don't know it. I am using "L" instead of "R" because "la, li, lu, le, lo" is closer to the Japanese sounds. (The English "R" sound does not use the tounge where as the Japanese sound does...in fact the Japanese sound is quite close to the Spanish "R" sound where your tongue lightly brushes the top of your mouth. Basically, the Japanese sound is about halfway between the English "R" and "L" sounds).

    Misutah Gaytsu. nto ne...Yuu bulingingu eh-to disu-ohnah atto famili da yo. Heeya izu yoah katana ne. Sahbanto no Steebu Balumah wa soon helupingu wizu seppuku.

    Yes, most Japanese people have little understanding of English Prepositions and Tenses, which is understandable as they are much more complicated than the Japanese ones...And many Japanese people who speak English usually use little Japanese interjections when they speak, and probably don't even realize they are doing it. At least here in Japan that is what I have seen...

    Uhh...am I far enough off topic yet?

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  42. Overheard in Redmond... by gmhowell · · Score: 4, Funny

    Balmmer: Oh no. Japanese Government set us up the bomb...

    You do the rest...

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  43. Re:Pot Calling the Kettle Black by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Japan has some of the must unfair practices when it comes to dealing with the American market,

    I'd suggest you elaborate. A statement this vague and this broad sounds like Flamebait.

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  44. Insight by emiste · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is good because we'll get to see what's really going on behind those closed doors of Microsoft. An American company gets inspected by a foreign country.

  45. from the nikkei shinbun by bandersnatch · · Score: 5, Informative

    Summerizing this Japanese article, the issue is that the OEM contracts contain a clause disallowing the filing of complaints about against Microsoft software. The main part that seems to have rankled is that Microsoft is believed to have improperly included software developed by Japanese manufactures(Fujitsu, NEC, etc). By being forced to agree to the clause in the contract however, they are unable to file a complaint against Microsoft.
    This is where the monopoly bit comes in. Because Microsoft has an OS monopoly the makers have no other choice than to include the OS on their machines, which in order to do so forces them into sign the contract. All of which rubs up against various Japansese antitrust and trade laws.

    1. Re:from the nikkei shinbun by ignavus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ah, what you are saying is ... not Microsoft, but Mafiasoft!

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  46. oh really? by mm0mm · · Score: 4, Informative
    Anybody here ever try to enforce a patent in Japan? Good luck
    I have to be blunt: you don't seem to understand what you are talking about. It sort of make sense that your first name is Anonymous. Unlike Taiwan or China, Japanese patent laws are strictly enforced and if any infringement is found it will be judged by a court of law. It applies to foreign patent as well. On top of that, unlike US patenting procedures, Japanese patent office takes much more time in research of prior art and rejects many that are on the border line.

    I don't have any link handy, but there has been a number of patent cases brought to a court by foregin (read: US) companies. One of my buddies, who used to work for a well-known Japanese electronics company beginning with "h," once told me that this Japanese company's newly established computer (desktop) devision knowingly copied DOS, and after it was discovered the company was tried, and ordered to pay hefty damage to MS, which lead the devision to shut down.

    If Japan really is patent outlaw country, why do all the big companies (Sony, Panasonic, Toyota, Honda) own so many patents both in Japan and US? I'd appreciate it if you can explain to me, please.

    I don't really have any link to back up my argument, but your knowledge in Japan's Patent laws and enforcement obviously is paper thin.
    1. Re:oh really? by ihouzi · · Score: 4, Informative

      Different patent laws.

      The US patent law is based on the concept of first-to-discover.
      The Japanese patent law is based on first-to-file.

      This means Japanese companies are highly encouraged to file patents as soon as possible.

      Also, the scope of Japanese patents is VERY different from American patents, and this is what usually leads American companies astray if they already understand they have to be the first to file.

      US patents are generally very broadly worded, so the inventor gets the most bang for the buck, so to say. On the other hand, Japanese patents are generally very narrow, and minor variations can call for a completely new patent (changes in the shape of a glass substrate for a laser for example).

      So oftentimes, American companies will come to Japan assume broad rights only to be confronted by a Japanese competitor reading the rights according to Japanese law - very narrowly. Japanese courts will, of course, uphold Japanese patent law which is, as mentioned above, narrow and different.

      The above reason is why Japanese companies hold so many patents: they have to get patents for each minor variation of a technology if they really want to control it. This (and the below, though I'm not clear on the below) is why Japanese companies have so many patents.

      Also, and I can't remember this one in detail, but I _THINK_ I recall there being some stipulation in Japanese patent law that allows (or at least highly encourages) technology licensing. In other words, if one company can license, you must allow all companies to license. Maybe someone can look up the details?

  47. Reminds me of a film... (OT) by boobox · · Score: 5, Funny

    Remember The Madness of King George a few years back? The original title was The Madness of King George III but they thought that American audiences would want to know where parts I and II were playing at...

    (ducks)

    See it here.

  48. downside of spam filters by eagl · · Score: 2, Funny

    Chances are the Japanese government warned them, but Microsoft thought the email with the attachment full of legalese was either spam or yet another trojan, and deleted it without opening. Seriously, who opens attachments you weren't expecting anyhow?

  49. Re:Pot Calling the Kettle Black by 1s44c · · Score: 3, Informative

    And America has some of the most unfair practices when dealing with the rest of the world. ( steel imports, third world aid packages that don't aid, blockades against entire countries )

    Whats your point?

  50. Re:Hypocripsy by AngstAndGuitar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    you don't understand... Japanese patents can be and are enforced in japan, it's just American patents that are not.
    The American company Micro$hit cannot violate Japanese patents in Japan and expect that the police will not burn their office and publicly humiliate their imployees.
    As to anti monopoly laws, "In Japan!?" LOL.
    Again, only enforced if the company is American, and harms Japanese companies.

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  51. Someone has to say it... by bobobobo · · Score: 2, Funny

    All your base are belong to Microsoftu, I mean us!

  52. BATSU BOX by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let's not forget that Microsoft made a huge blunder with the Xbox in Japan.

    Did they get the hardware wrong? .... NOPE
    Did they get the marketing wrong?.... NOPE
    Did they get the games wrong? ....... NOPE
    Did they get the price wrong? ....... NOPE

    So what did they get wrong?

    The freakin NAME of the machine.
    The letter X in Japan is synonymous with BAD, like an incorrect answer or a cross on a mistake....
    and hence the X-box earned it's name as the BATSU-BOX (or the No-Way-BOX) ....that and the Xbox green colour looks like radiation.
    And THAT was just asking for trouble coming from an American company.

    Funny, for a company with loads of cash... Microsoft couldn't even get the cultural sensitivity thing right.

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    1. Re:BATSU BOX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Did they get the hardware wrong? - YES

      1. It was too big
      2. There were issues with the first versions of Xbox sold in Japan. DVD-drive damaged discs making them unusable. That wasn't very good PR move...

      Did they get the games wrong? ....... YES

      They couldn't get licences for games which are popular in Japan (at least at first).

    2. Re:BATSU BOX by darekana · · Score: 2, Funny

      I got modded -1 on Slashdot.jp for making one little joke about the XBOX taking over Japan.

      Hidoi.

    3. Re:BATSU BOX by warpath · · Score: 2, Informative
      The letter X in Japan is synonymous with BAD, like an incorrect answer or a cross on a mistake....


      How is that any different from the way anyone else uses the letter X?
      Drastically?

      In the US, "X" is often meant to be "eXtreme" or "eXtra" or some other marketing angle. (re: X-Games, X-Men, X11... er...)
  53. Not Offtopic... by Chordonblue · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is in referrence to raids on Kazaa in Australia.

    Not a great post, but certainly not offtopic.

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  54. yet another benefit of OSS? by erroneus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm sure a great deal of this legal action against Microsoft is partly "bandwagon" but I also think that perhaps now that folks are seeing that there actually *IS* and alternative to Microsoft, perhaps they can afford to fight back against the things Microsft has been getting away with all these years?

    1. Re:yet another benefit of OSS? by taweili · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What OSS? It just open the way for the dominating Japanese IT giants: IBM, Fujitsu, NEC, and Sony to bundle Linux and keep the OS license charge to themselves. There are no grassroot movement for OSS in Japan.

  55. Re:Foreign powers by kaligraphic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why should businesses be able to do what they want? Why? For that matter, why not say that any /. user should have open access to the /. database? Oh, wait, that's a really bad idea. Law is basically a compromise between the perceived ideal and, more importantly, the pragmatic realities of life. If people could live in perfect accordance with the principles of honor, fairness, justice, mercy, &c then we wouldn't need to legislate things like this. Unfortunately, human beings will tend to see potential advantages from a pragmatic point of view - i.e. what is the cost/benefit of a given action, what is the ROI, essentially (((probability of payoff) * (estimated payoff)) / ((probability of loss) * (estimated loss))) basically, payoff/loss guides Microsoft - If they are more likely to make money than lose money by a given action, they will do it. Recall the reason that we have police - people will break the law if they believe they can do so without getting caught. They will continue to break the law even if caught unless the consequences of breaking the law are sufficiently great as to serve as sufficient deterrent in the mind of the average citizen. This is why people get repeat traffic tickets - they don't believe that they will be caught often enough and fined enough for it to change their behavior. As a citizen, I have the pragmatic concern that I do not desire that companies extort money from me. As this concern is pretty common, likeminded people have legislated against common methods of such. In the U.S., trusts and cartels have been and have been perceived to have been a significant problem in this area, and therefore we have laws to restrict this sort of behavior. Japan, however, has a different view of how business should be organised. Japanese businesses are bound into keiretsu much more tightly that the trusts which U.S. law was formed to combat - unfortunately, there are a few downsides to this, such as difficulties in agreeing on a uniform DVD format, but as a whole it works pretty well. This binding, and the mindset behind it, should tell you something - namely, that Japanese law really doesn't have much in the way of anti-trust type laws. (The American occupational government broke up much of this after WWII, but the keiretsu recoalesced quite rapidly.) The organisation of businesses into keiretsu has historically been successful because of the ingrained code of honor that permeates the Japanese culture. If/as this changes, the keiretsu will either have to diminish or assume greater control of government, as has happened in the U.S. Of course, one could argue along with people like Adam Smith that pragmatism is also the impetus for laissez-faire capitalism, but I think that a moderate position is most effective.

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  56. conviction rate in japan... by flacco · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...is *extremely* high, once the law decides to go after you. at least for individuals - we'll see what happens to a megacorp.

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  57. Re:Hypocripsy by mumblestheclown · · Score: 4, Informative
    What an absolute load of uninformed bullshit.

    If you want to really go after the Japanese on patents, at least get your facts straight.

    Japan actually has one of the highest rates of corporate patenting ANYWHERE. This is caused largely by corporate guidelines that say "department x must have at least 3 patentable inventions per year."

    As a result, Japan's books are filled with tens of thousands of patents for truly mediocre things.

    That said this forms the basis of a series of "blocking patents" which are taken quite seriously.

    Your claim that "... without such enforcement" is simply wrong.

    the moderators who gave you "insightful" should be ashamed. I mean, you're 180 degrees wrong and were just speaking out of your ass out of some quixotic wishful thinking, not facts.

  58. Not entirely correct. by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The japanese certainly on one hand seem to lean to gigantic monster cooperations from an outside view. However most of them are just very large because they have a lot of different fields in wich they operate.

    None of that "focusing on our core capabilities" crap. Japanese do everything. Look up what say a sony or hitachi or suzuki do. Now compare that to say even a philips. Let alone against american firms.

    America has the x-box. Japan has nintendo and playstation AND the foreign devil X-box. Oversimplified example of course but you get the point.

    Where in the west we shop at supermarkets wich are really controlled by a handfull of mega corps worldwide the japanese are only slowly shifting to this. Lots of small family owned shops still around.

    So MS is in a unique position. Outside old incumbuments like telephone or utitlitie providers there isn't a company that has such a hold on its market. If you produce a pc then you cannot afford to not sell windows with it. And MS is accused of abusing this to force companies to agree to unreasonable terms.

    Allegedly. A raid like this shows that either someone overreacted or that the japanese goverment is serious. Japan may have enough monster coorperations to ensure that each on its own is not a monopoly but if you come in from the outside they all band together with the goverment to make something far more difficult to overcome. Just look at the success of foreign companies in japan.

    So to answer your question, yes they are but they don't want 1 single companie going out of control let alone a foreign company.

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  59. Re:Hypocripsy by arivanov · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Anybody here ever try to enforce a patent in Japan

    No. But I have helped prepare the paperwork for a successful patent filing in Japan. The difference between the US and Japan is that you cannot patent bollocks. In this particular case 8 patents for the US ended up being 4 patents in EU and only 1 in Japan.

    First: their patent office has not yet degenerated into an approval stamp machine so the patents have to have merit.

    Second: they charge an arm and a leg for a patent filing so even large corporations avoid defencive patenting and stuff that has no commercial value is not patented at all.

    I usually get flamed by the idealists which still believe in the "small inventor", but I will say it again. This is the way a patent system is supposed to work. A patent is a government guarantee to the inventor that he/she will be capable to exploit the commercial merits of his/her invention. Note the words commercial. So with all due respect I do not see any merits in trying to patent an invention of no commercial merit.

    The side effect of this is that the US method of IPR development is reversed. For Japan you first find financial backers for the idea and then patent it.

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  60. I am wondering... by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Interesting

    if MS is under monopoly threat in just about every country due to their own actions, the local government needing money, or the local people/government wanting to start their own software industry and need to stop MS?

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  61. Re:Somebody explain parent, please? by jejones · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In Japanese, there's a distinction between "long" and "short" vowel sounds. It's not the same as in English, where the sound changes; in Japanese, long really means long; it's the same sound, just held longer.

    They have short and long consonants, too--just like Italian, where "fato" (fate) isn't the same as "fatto" (done) and singing "a cappella" (like they do in chapel) isn't the same thing as singing "a capella" (like a little goat).

    Anyway--you can embarrass the heck out of yourself if you don't keep your long and short consonants and vowels straight when speaking Japanese. Jack Seward, in his delightful book Japanese in Action, gives an example of a fellow who went to work for a Japanese firm after WWII. This unfortunate man made just that mistake, and thereby told a group of Japanese visiting the firm that he was his boss's, um, sphincter rather than his boss's assistant.

    All the above, of course, is a distraction so that you won't notice that I don't remember just what vowel lengthening is involved with obasan...[pause for some Googling]...ah. There's "obasan" and "obaasan"; this message explains the difference (among other things).

  62. Zaibatsu's control over the governmnet by batura · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This really isn't a suprising move, since monopolies are very common in Japan, and only problem is that they ''influence'' the government through the Zaibatsu.

    This seems like ploy againt American monopoly in Japan. Perhaps on of the big vendors over there is going to try and push an alternative OS? I've heard that the Linux movement over there is pretty strong, so maybe corporate interests in Linux are playing a hand there?

    1. Re:Zaibatsu's control over the governmnet by batura · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, I looked around on Wikipedia, and as it turns out, I was wrong about the term Zaibatsu term still being used (it is in American to describe what I was talking about, however).

      The real politcal leaders are the heads of the major businesses (ie, Mitsubishi and Fuji etc) and the banks.

      Its been known for quite a long time that the Diet is basically a joke and their PM answers to business, not the other way around. I forget what its called, but their trade and industry ministry is where a lot of the real power is, and this raid likely came from there with pressure from the business leaders.

  63. re: specific terms per customer by midgley · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Microsoft will attempt to justify that without looking like a monopoly doing market segmentation by declaring they are providing different products to different people, at different prices.

    Observe this in Thailand, where after teh announcement that MS would provide XP + Office at a much reduced price (about 30 Euros as I recall) came an announcement that thre would be a special edition of XP + Office lacking some features (as yet unspecified AFAIK) - a Thai cheap edition.

    Observe it in the UK with the National Health Service New programme IT suprremo Richard Granger muttering about the level of discount we get on (say) half a million copies (I feel ill) of Office on Windows OS and the placement of a contract for a trial of the SUN Java desktop/Linux/OpenOffice by SUN being followed by the suggestion that MS will customise a version for healthcare.

    There are few more stupid ideas than that from a healthcare IT point of view, si it has to be a smokescreen for segmentation.

    When I first saw the news from Thailand I thought this was a clear indication of another tipping point that MS has gone over in the infelction of its fortunes, but as the rise has been long, so will be the fall.

  64. Shades of the BSA! by dmaxwell · · Score: 2, Funny

    Okay MS, let's see how you like it!

    "This is a bust. Step awaay from your keyboards. NOW!"

  65. Re:Shorted Slashdot Community by Puls4r · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Japanese motto: Business is war.

    You whiny little children need to stop clapping your hands as American companies take it on the chin in foreign countries. If only our government protected US this well.

  66. The Japanese probably wouldn't have noticed by wirefarm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Japanese don't really have a strong awareness of "December 7th" the way people in the US do - It was December 8th for them, when the attack occurred, after all.

    Funny story:
    Back when I lived in the US, I had a Japanese housemate who was taking flying lessons at a small airfield nearby. Landing the plane one morning, he managed to bump into a couple of planes parked near the runway. It was nothing serious, but since it happened to be December 7th, he was known as "Kamikaze" from then on...

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  67. Linux Connection? by Winkhorst · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You don't suppose this has anything to do with the new Linux-based joint effort among the Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese to create a kanji-friendly operating system? Just wondering. No paranoid conspiracy theory or anything. There *is* a certain element of "getting even" here, though, considering the US shot down a Japanese attempt to sell their own operating system with their computers sold in the US. I don't think we've seen the end of this titanic struggle, by any means.

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  68. How long.. by MImeKillEr · · Score: 3, Funny

    Until Japan utters these famous words again?

    "I fear we have awakened a sleeping giant"

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  69. Sepuku-mono by stuffduff · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder what their poem would say
    Would Truths finally come tumbling out
    Like so much blood from just two cuts.

    Their lives lost to a business illusion
    Heartbeat by heartbeat
    Never having seen the sunrise.

    Their kishaku's blade hangs on the moment
    Was that a tear he saw?
    Has the light of Open Source manifested it's beauty?

    The blade in motion, a slight turn of the head
    The cut through and through
    Shamed, the head bounces and rolls.

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  70. Justice For Not Delivering The Goods? by pandrijeczko · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Does anyone else see the events of the last few years as signalling "The End" for Microsoft? Or at least backing them into a corner where they must change their business strategies?

    In the past few years, look at what Microsoft's user base has suffered as a result of using their products:

    1. Countless viruses - okay, not directly Microsoft's fault but nobody here would agree that MS have done all they could have done to make their products as secure as possible.

    2. Licensing changes - costing businesses more.

    Okay, so there's nothing new in either of the above except that both the above have had sometimes dramatic reductions on company profits through downtimes and extra IT costs. Add to that the shrinkage in the high-tech industry over the past few years and, all of a sudden, there are a heap of governments out there getting less income from taxation as a result.

    On top of that, those same governments are being squeezed to spend less and less on public services and along comes Open Source that suddenly seems to offer a way of cutting down on a lot of the government's IT expenditure.

    I know these discussions have been had on /. many times before but this issue in Japan just seems the latest in a long line of governments wanting to simply give, rightly or wrongly, Microsoft "a good kicking" - firstly the DOJ, then Europe, now Japan.

    I don't think it matters whether or not MS is a "monopoly" but it is apparent that they could have done a lot more in the past to stop what's happening to them now.

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  71. Re:Its true Re:Pot Calling the Kettle Black by fuggsy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1) The Harley boom must be resposible for the recent pick up in in the US economy... 2) Yep, the mad cow ban on US beef had no impact on fast food beef bowl resturants in japan. Anyway, even if they had sold imported US beef, it was far too expensive for the average consumer at $3 a bowl, compared to the usual $6-$9 paid for a meal. Don't the Americans wonder if maybe they consumed a just a bit less of their inexpensive and quaility agricultural products, they wouldn't be such f*cking lard asses, by world standards? But really, WTF does any of this have to do with a very light on details article on an investigation of Microsoft, in Japan?

  72. The Short Version For Japanese Officials by TALlama · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, Microsoft is breaking your Anti-Trust laws. It doesn't matter what your laws are; MS is breaking them.

    No, you won't do anything about it. It doesn't matter what you think or believe; there's too much riding on MS for you to seriously combat them. The revolution will not be mandated.

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    - The Amazina Llama

  73. Sources indicate by sharkey · · Score: 3, Funny
    A commission official, speaking on customary condition of anonymity,

    Anonymous sources have supplied an unconfirmed statement that the official's name is "Kilroy". This "Kilroy" is rumored to be the recipient of intelligence enhancing implants designed by IBM. This unsubstantiated report was lent minor credence when the official in question walked away from the podium chanting, "Domo Arigato, Mister Roboto" repeatedly.

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  74. The Mozilla Public License is almost similar. by expro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you choose to sue a code contributor for patent infringement, I believe you lose all right to use the software. Of course, Mozilla is not a monopoly, yet.

  75. Anonymous spokeswoman? by Basho · · Score: 4, Funny
    My favorite part of the story is:
    The Microsoft spokeswoman, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the company is...
    What point is there in having an anonymous spokesperson? Sounds to me like the author of the article didn't want to use the more accurate:
    Someone we saw coming out of the building, whose name we didn't really catch, even the second time we asked, said the company is...
  76. Re:Patentts in US vs Japan by ihouzi · · Score: 2
    As of 1994, the US did NOT have first-to-file. You can see this in this article:

    The application of the provision of the United States Patent law that subject to certain limitations a patent should be awarded, to the first to invent rather than the first to file a patent application is most frequently encountered in interferences. The case of Mycogen Plant Science Inc. v. Monsanto Co. provides a reminder that the rule is of broader application. 35 USC 102(g), the provision enacting the first to invent rule, provides that a patent cannot be validly granted if,

    Before the applicant's invention thereof the invention was made in this country by another who has not abandoned, suppressed or concealed it. Mycogen sued Monsanto for patent infringement. Monsanto defended on the ground that the patents in question were invalid because Monsanto employees had made the inventions in question before Mcogen's. The patents related to synthetic genes that were to be used in plants. It was conceded that Monsanto had produced the genes in question prior to Mycogen. However, Mycogen argued that Monsanto had "no appreciation of the claimed methods ... with improved expression, or contemporaneous understanding that they had synthesized their gene using any of the processes claimed in the patents". They therefore argued that Monsanto's prior activities were "accidental" and so could not be accepted as being a prior reduction to practice of the invention by Monsanto. While accepting the theory of Mycogen's case, the Court found that the evidence in the present case showed that Monsanto's activities were not accidental and so the defense succeeded.

    It should be noted that a defense to an infringement action on the ground of prior invention by another is still only possible in cases where the prior invention was in the United States. The 1999 change in the law permitting reliance on inventions made abroad is confined to situations where both parties have U.S. patents or patent applications and do not apply to a simple plea of invalidity in an infringement case where the defendant has no patent or application itself.