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MSFTs "iPod Killer" Readied for Europe
rocketjam writes "Reuters reports that the first hardware to run Microsoft's "iPod Killer" software will be available in Europe in the second half of 2004. MS has been working with several manufacturers, and is expected to introduce a device which will play movies and songs as well as store digital photos through Microsoft's yet-to-be-unveiled Portable Media Center software. A spokesman said 'We think this is going to be one of the hot devices for Christmas 2004,' The players are expected to sell for between about $700 to $800. They will play MP3s as well as audio and video recorded in Microsoft's digital format. The player will be significantly larger than the iPod in order to accomodate a video screen. A Jupiter Research analyst, Mark Milligan said 'By definition, (the devices) just don't have widespread appeal', and he doubts the devices would change the consumer electronics landscape in any way."
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I'm not sure with that high of a price (about $670-$810 US) and the additional size (3X as thick, twice as long!) that this thing qualifies as an "iPod killer" in any real sense; they're playing for an entirely different market segment. It seems like a very small niche to me.
Give 'em a couple of versions, maybe they'll get it right and the market will materialize. I wouldn't bet on it though. "More TV, more often" isn't a big hole in my life, anyway...
There's a typo in the article. "N-Gage Killer" is misspelled.
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It's an expensive low end laptop with few features? Wow, look out world!
I don't think the ipod needs to worry about any competition from this. People buying an ipod aren't going to pay a lot more for a device that is alot heavier, bigger, and plays movies in microsoft's proprietary format. Not to mention I have yet to see microsoft come out with anything that is elegant and easy to use.
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an ipod killer would have to be cheaper than an ipod.
It seems that MS is using the same tactics that failed for all the gameboy competitors. Try and add a billion features, and price yourself right out of the market.
I like my iPod because it packs a lot of storage in a small package and I don't want to watch video on a stinkin' handheld, that is why I tote my powerbook around. This idea seems plain old dumb to me, but I guess if it is competition it is good for consumers but just strikes me as a dumb idea that I'm not going to consider buying, especially at twice the price of an iPod.
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Who gives a $700-$800 Christmas gift? I know a few people might get their spouse or children somethign like that, but the vast majority give gifts far smaller than that.
And besides, for that price you could get a laptop.
At 2X the price and 6X the volume the only way it'll be an iPod killer is if you use it like a brick to smash an iPod. This sounds like the Saturday Night Live skit where the hipper you were the bigger your cellphone was.
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At $700 to $800, I do not think that this will be a Ipod killer. I am also willing to bet that this will not have crap for battery life, and not be near as portable.
Anyone remember this thing? It was fairly large but you could get a TV tuner for it. Sounds kinda like the next step up.
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People always complain about Apple, but does Microsoft make anything that's not overpriced? Hardware, software, it doesn't matter. It all costs too much for what it is. $700 for one of these things? Even those little portable DVD players are down in the $300 range now.
it's already been done in a smaller package. the Archos av320 is already available and works pretty well.
Why read the article when I can just make up a snap judgement?
They will play MP3s as well as audio and video recorded in Microsoft's digital format.
What Microsoft apparently doesn't realize is that customers aren't going to spend $7-800 on a device only to have to convert every divx and xvid movie they have over to microsoft's proprietary format. Time really is money in this case, and it's just not worth it to have to spend days/weeks converting movie files.
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Is it me or is M$ forever obsessed with trying to 1-up Apple.
It's like Apple can't dominate any market for any lengthy period of time.
As an underdog Apple should learn to "Make their products affordable until they dominate the market".
It's not quite in the same target market, as it plays movies, stores photos, and most importantly it is FATTER than iPod (roughly three times as thick as an iPod and roughly twice as long ).
It's like callling an elephant a pet killer because it can carry luggages, push start your car etc, which your normal domestic pets like dogs, cats cannot do.
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The "Ipod Killer" is just a Microsoft employee named Ted who steals people Ipods.
Then stomps on them.
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Maybe this will turn out like the Netpliance i-Opener, and we'll get a nifty little machine we can hack to do whatever we like. If it's going to play movies, it'll probably have a decent (4") screen, and it should have a competent processor in it, even if the video decompression is all hardware.
At the least it could be used as a remote mp3 player/picture frame/clock/bedside movie machine.
by beating the iPod with the MS device.
twice as long, 3x thicker? Doesn't exactly sound like a device I can put in my pocket and go.... and I don't do hip pouches....
Archos has been doing this for some time, at half the cost with open formats compatible with multiple platforms. I personally have one of their first video capable models, the Jukebox Multimedia 20gb, and use it on Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows - same files for audio and video, no DRM other than common sense and respect.
Any spoon would be too big.
I know a guy who knows a guy, and I managed to get one leaked photo.
The idea itself isn't a totally bad one - at a lower price, I could consider getting one for my kids for long drives or some such. (Then again, by the time they're old enough for me to do that, an iBook at nearly the same price will have the same effect.)
But my questions are these:
1. It plays movies in WMV and audio in WMA. So where am I going to get the WMV movies? WIll I be able to stick a DVD into my computer (assuming I want to get a Windows box, of course) and have it ripped to a format that the device can use? Or am I relying on having some other system (like a Tivo) to record TV shows and let me get that video on my device that way?
And if I have to rip the movies myself with an unofficial DVD, will I still go to jail/get fined?
2. Battery power? I'm seeing 3 hours - seriously? iPod killer with 3 hours of battery power? That's like the Sega handheld devices that were going to kill the Gameboy with 3 hours battery power.
3. TV out? Suppose I do pick it up and put movies on it so when I'm at a friend's house we can watch something. Can I have a TV-out so we don't have to scrunch around a tiny little screen?
Just a few thoughts. I'm sure there are more. Again, I'm not saying this is a bad idea, but I have serious reservations before spending $500 - $800 of my cash. I already spent $300 on an iPod....
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I'd like to have a portable video-playing thingie as much as the next guy, but they are trying to squeeze into an incredibly small niche here: people who are willing to spend $800 on something larger than an iPod, but who don't want to spend the same amount of money on a DVD-playing laptop. Any larger than an iPod and you're quickly getting out of the fits-in-the-pocket category. What are they aiming for, the fits-in-a-glovebox market?
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Ha ha, yeah, right. Just like how IE was going to be "the Netscape Killer"... feh...
Why would I spend $700 for something that is bigger and heavier than my $300 Sony Clie?? It plays MP3s and videos. (I love showing people Golem accepting the MTV award.)
I can get several CDs on an 128MB memory stick and play them in my car using an RF adapter. The MS product does provides more disk space for video, but with the recent advances in micro drives, it's only a matter of time until they start becoming more common in PDAs.
I thought MS was supposed to be better at creating loss leaders <cough> XBox </cough >
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... or does "Portable Media Center" software just not roll off the tongue like "iPod"? Actually I'm wondering why I even care; I do OK either way on Linux.
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For the price of this thing, why not spend a little extra money and buy a laptop with a Centrino or equivilant processor??
It's not like the "iPod Killer" will fit nicely in your pocket anyway, so why not splurge and have all the features of a ultra-mobile laptop.
My 2 cents
Not to mention I have yet to see microsoft come out with anything that is elegant and easy to use.
Check out MS's hardware department sometime, specifically their mice.
There's a reason why the only real players in hardware anymore are Logitech and Microsoft.
The players are expected to sell for between about $700 to $800. They will play MP3s as well as audio and video recorded in Microsoft's digital format. The player will be significantly larger than the iPod in order to accomodate a video screen.
These things appeal to a different market (entirely!). Apple decided to make the iPod mini to take aim at the market that wanted a player even smaller than the iPod. They want an mp3 player--not something that will slice bread. This thing is huge and expensive when compared to other mp3 players--which is the only market that the iPod attempts to compete in.
Call this a "portable movie player" that's "aiming to repeat the iPod's success in a different market," but calling it an "iPod Killer" is a horrible misnomer. I seriously doubt that anyone would consider one of these things in lieu of an iPod.
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When will these guys get it through their thick skulls that people don't want to watch pre-recorded news programs on TV. They have to stop trying to get it to be a "TV newspaper".
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Size.
If it doesn't fit comfortably in a pocket, sit nicely in my hand or it weighs too much, it isn't going to be bought at pretty much any price. I don't care if I can watch DVDs projected onto the wall from it and it only cost $100 - if it doesn't fit in my pocket, it's not going to be carried around with me on my person. If I need something more capable than my existing small gadgets, it'll probably be my laptop (carried around in a backpack) which sports considerably more function than any standalone piece of consumer electronics and costs a similar amount to the proposed "iPod killer".
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The only iPod killer the boys from Redmond could come up with would be a Microsoft-branded claw hammer (retailing for $149.95 most likely).
Slashdot is more a point-of-view than a news gathering organization. This story originated at Reuters, which is a news gathering organization.
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In all likelihood, the story originated as a press release from Microsoft, rewritten by Reuters into a news article, and then rewritten again as a Slashdot story. Slashdot adds very little: a bit of commentary, and sub-categorizations (Microsoft, Music, Business, Media).
The commentary is biased, but you wanted it biased: you came here for the Slashdot-esque view of things. You could read the Reuters feed yourself, but you'll probably read a lot of stuff you don't care about. You could even subscribe to get the press releases directly, but you'd really hate that.
No wireless. Larger and more expensive than an ipod. Lame.
At $800 and larger than the ipod, who would want it? I've seen dvd players with LCD screens that also play cd's for less. So maybe thats the reason you don't see an apple media center that plays video in MS's proprietary format. No market! But I can store 2 dvd's worth of movies in most formats in my ipod and connect it to my ibook and play them with mplayer for OSX anytime, anywhere I choose, plus play my 500+ songs I've ripped from my CD collection.
Good news is Apple is working on a "Ted Killer".
It's a big guy named Steve who stops Ted.
Seriously MS is smoking something when they call their new bomb an Ipod killer.
It won't have firewire, it will have excessive DRM lockdowns and won't handle Ogg.
Oh and it costs more. great.
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So, it only costs twice as much as the Archos players that are already out and that already have the same capabilities! I can't wait!
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for the $700 - $800 price tag, you could buy:
a portable dvd player price = $200
a gba sp platinum and games price = $150
an i-pod price = $300
and still have enough cash left to buy some new shoes and a crapload of quesadillas . . . if you're into that sort of thing.
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In fairness, I see nothing in the article to indicate that Microsoft itself is the source of the term "iPod Killer." Yes, the phrase appears in quotation marks, but only in the reporter's text. It does not appear in the verbatim quotes from the Microsoft representative. The term may be be the reporter's own invention. Microsoft's marketing department is usually more sophisticated than this, since the term obviously sets them up for a fall.
Not at $700-$800. I can buy a smallish laptop that does the same thing for less. Heck - I could go hit eBay for a Toshiba Libretto and probably fare better than that.
While the economics probably aren't in their favor on this, if they wanted to make it an "iPod killer", the price would have to be significantly less than the iPod just to make up the difference from Apple's name recognition, and the size of this beast.
Sell the exact same piece of hardware for $150, and we'll talk about iPod slaying.
That green slime had it coming.
For $778, you could have gotten a Dell notebook with a 40GB drive ($699 for 20GB).
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The obvious answer is that you won't pay $700 to get something that big for that much money.
Microsoft will eventually realize this and cut the price to the $400-$500 range (or possibly further). Just like they cut XBox prices from $300 (about breaking even) to $200 (lose $100 per unit). Of course, they may not continue producing them after that, as I don't know that they get the same benefit from this that they do from the XBox (the unit loses money, but the games for it are profitable; do they sell any content for these fake iPods? I don't think that they make enough from their DRM licenses to support this).
Well, it seems MS just took an Ipod and fed it that herbal enhancement supplement I keep getting all the e-mails about.
According to an Apple Insider article, Apple is already ahead of this game. They will deliver sooner, at a lower cost, and very likely a better product. Guesses (aren't they always with Apple?) include an intro around April 28 for the first anniversary of the iTMS.
Sources: Apple readying 4th-generation iPod
(snip) While sources could not pin-point a specific day or month of introduction, they said the soon to be released player would boast a 50GB hard disk capable of holding 12,500 songs and carry an approximate cost of $499.
Unlike the recent capacity-centric revisions to the iPod line, the 4th-generation iPod will host a number of architectural advancements and new features. Most apparent, sources say, is the presence of a 2-inch color screen for displaying photos stored on the pod, from the palm of your hand.
The player will reportedly also adopt a video output jack that will allow users to connect their iPods to television sets, sources said. Meanwhile, no mention was made in regards to an output jack capable of relaying audio to a home entertainment center. (/snip)
yeah, but he distorts reality around him. That *is* scary!
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Forgive my ignorance, but how are you supposed to copy video onto this device if all DVD's have copy protections anyways? And if it's not a commercial movie you want to download onto it, why would you want to download, say, your home movies which would interest no one except yourself? And if your home movies DO interest other people (maybe you are the porn star next door), how exactly do you go about adding Microsoft DRM so you can play them on your "iPod Killer". Methinks Microsoft spends alot of time talking up lip service to a new device under the assumption that ANY press is better than NO press. Tablet PC anyone?
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So this will be big, heavy, can only play MS formats (with the exception of mp3) and can't run other software? Yes, it's obviously better than a laptop...
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This reflects the flawed conventional thinking that consumers want a convergence device. That somehow combining the ability to play both video and MP3s will appeal to both market segments. What actaully happens that the device appeals to neither market segment.
You see this time and time again. Marketing people assume that if you give someone a "new improved digital media center" everyone will buy it. No one buys it because the product is a "Jack of All trades, master of none." People buy component stereos for the same reason. They want the best reciver coupled with the best amplifier and the best DVD player. They want the flexibility of adding components. They tend not to buy a single component that does a mediocre job on all three elements. Simply piling on features that are unrelated but don't bring additional value to each other is silly. Camera phones work because you can send pictures to your friends. In this case adding a digital camera enhances the phone experience. Adding a video player, and jacking the price point to an entry level laptop adds nothing to the experience. I predict big fucking failure for MS. I don't get why people still insist media convergence is the wave of the future. Media really hasn't converged before. I mean how many of us use Radio/Television combo devices? No one because who wants a machine that does a crappy job at two things instead of a good job at one.
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If AppleInsider is anything to go by, then Apple also seems to be developing an iPod with these sort of features. See story: Apple readying 4th-generation iPod. Apple already learnt their lesson, circa 1990, whereby standing proud, simply give the competition time to catch up - in that case it was MS catching up, and bypassing, with MS-Windows. If Apple is smart, they will keep one step ahead of the game.
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Personally, I'd like a portable music player that'll handle my 2.5GB collection of music. Consisting of MODs, XMs, ITs and a few other module formats.
There's tons of that stuff out there you can download for free, in bulk, off of FTP and archive sites around the world. I've got enough music in those formats for continuous play for 160 hours without hearing the same song twice. (Well, there's the odd duplicated file, but other than that...)
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The "Ipod Killer" is just a Microsoft employee named Ted who steals people Ipods.
I've heard of this guy working in London. Apparently he chased one of the producers of Lord of the Rings down a few streets to try and steel his iPod.
They showed movies on the bus to New York - was I unknowingly ON the iPod Killer?
Larger, more expensive, and totally having nothing to do with being an iPod. Microsoft corners the market on Microsoft once again.
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My Pocket PC already plays MP3s and MPEGs and I have it for over a year plus does all the stuff that a pocket pc does. It uses crappy yet sometimes functional Windows Media Player (I guess I could download something else but I am lazy). And with Beyond TV I can watch TV shows and movies on it on the train. Oh and it only cost me about $100 when I bought it. With SD cards getting more and more capacity I see no market for the "IPOD Killer" at all.
The problem with Microsoft's engineers is that they assume more features == more better. Implementing those features in an elegant way is entirely secondary, and there appears to be little (or at least, very bad) research to determine how much people want those features.
The classic example of this (apart from all of the products people here love to hate) is Bill Gates' attitude in "The Road Ahead." He focuses *entirely* on features, and not at all on usability or design. In the case of the "iPod Killer," it's pretty evident that Microsoft hasn't changed much since that book. People aren't interested in a clunky, unfashionable device -- Apple succeeds not only because their products are (fairly) simple to use, but because they're elegant and, in the case of the iPod, *fashionable*. Never underestimate the power of popularity. Microsoft- well, they need some good design engineers, and a general attitude that encourages quality over just-one-more-feature-itis.
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it will have excessive DRM lockdowns and won't handle Ogg. Oh and it costs more.
Just like the ipod?
40GB iPod = $500
DRM
No Ogg support
Most manufacturers other than apple (Rio, iRiver, Nueros) have been adding vorbis support to their hd players. Apple is just higher profile.
I think it flops.
There are so many things wrong with this device I can't name them all. Sorry, it's not an iPod killer.
Clippy, "Hi, it looks like you are trying to carry this device. Do you want to 1. lift some weights, 2. buy a backpack, or 3. sell this thing on ebay?"
For some months now I have been contemplating purchasing either a Creative Labs MuVO or an Apple iPod
I've now decided, definitely the iPod. I don't want to contribute to yet another Microsoft monopoly. I can't imagine the horror of being forced to use WMP to access my mobile device and being locked to a single platform.
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He's bald and jumps around screaming "iPODS!!! iPODS!!! iPODS!!! iPODS!!!" with sweat stains in his arm pits right?
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Redmond, WA - Microsoft's new Pr0nMaster gives you pr0n on demand. Bring your pr0n with you - on the train, on the bus, at 12.000 meters - everwhere. It's large capacity drive means you won't have to explain what you're doing with "all those DVDs" when you pass through customs. The big screen means you won't have to squint while you watch. And it's small enough for you to bring it to the restroom or other enclosed space so you can "do your business."
The Pr0nMaster also comes in a sport enclosure, because "accidents happen" when things get exciting on-screen! Plus its handy video out lets you plug into the A/V equipment at your destination - so you can share the wealth!
The Microsoft Pr0nMaster - a peepshow in your pocket!
This thing's going to be three times as heavy as an ipod and twice as long - for 700-800 bucks you can just buy a cheap notebook instead.
What makes the ipod rock is that it's really small and offers more than enough storage. Who wants to lug around something twice as big three times as heavy?
to the hell with media edition, I run divx video on it. I get TV from my tv card, and put it on the archos.
it serves a purpose, a purpose a laptop cannot fill for me, is that so painful to accept?
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A music player that doesn't handle OGG is like an automobile that doesn't make toast.
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A portable video device just doesn't sound too good when you can buy a laptop with almost the same price! ;-)
Only people interested in this would be porn enthusiasts who don't care about MS bugs with 40-50gb of porn with them to tag along! heh
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The iPod has no built-in DRM. Or didn't you know that you can play m4p's from iTMS on any iPod you want?
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Faster than the iPod (Dual P3s vs. Arm7) Higher res screen than iPod (1280x1024 vs 160x128) More skip protection (512 MB vs 32 MB) More storage (129.1 GB vs 40 gb) It is a freaken workstation. So are the WinCE devices. The point of the ipod is that it is small and simple, that is why I have one.
Actually, the iPod *does* have DRM.
The m4p files are still encrypted on the iPod, they are just encrypted with the iPod's key instead of the PC's key. Yes, you can copy files to any iPod from anyone's iTunes collection (so long as that song is registered with that copy if iTunes), but have you tried to get such an m4p file back off the iPod again? Even if you could just copy the m4p back off, it'd be encrypted with the iPod key instead of the PC key.
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it's called a portable dvd player! albeit without the built in hard drive, but how long until someone decides to add a tiny hard drive to the portable dvd players? i would also imagine that some portable dvd players have mp3 decompression, if not, how much harder would it be to add that?
i went in to pep boys and they were selling 7" lcd portable dvd players for 250$ add 100$ for a portable 40 gig hd (oem price), another 150$ for R&D into adding mp3 decompression, a basic ui, and physical design. for 500$ there is something that equals this "ipod killer" AND has a built in DVD drive AND is cheaper.
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This is ridiculous. Compare: 40 gigabyte iPod = $499. 40 gigabyte "iPod Killer" + color screen = $800. The only difference between Microsoft's iPod killer and the iPod is 1) A fancier screen 2) A gigantic "wallet killer" price tag It's basicly a color iPod that can play WMV as well as music. Oh yes, and who wants WMV? DVD's are encoded in MPEG, not WMV. To get WMV you have to own a Windows Media Center edition PC (which cost way more than a normal PC) with a TV tuner, and record TV shows, to get the WMV format. So I need a Media Center PC AND need to spend $800 to use this device? Right. I'll just take my education discount and buy an iBook G4 complete with a 40 gig HD, much bigger screen, much faster processor, CD-RW AND DVD drive, honking powerful Radeon 9200, and way better OS for $200 more...
What the hell do these bastards think they're doing? Not only are they never going to run apple out of any market because their products suck. Now they're trying to push apple out of the mp3 player market, and with what? A piece of crap running windows...well fantastic. Microsofts impression seems to be that the average consumer (in a comical fashion) would say "I think i'd rather the shitty McShitShit Windows CE based CrashMaster 2004 just so I can have the same reliability or lack thereof as my home based winbox".
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Apple's new Operating System 10.3 "Windows Killer" has been for sale for a couple of months.
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I think the iPod killer won't be softwarre, but hardware. Specifically, i think it will be a windows update that "accidently" makes ipods no longer work on that system. This update will also be bundled with all the security updates so you have to chose between secure and iPod.
So for $150 more, I could get me a refurbished iBook G4 800MHz/256MB/30GB/Combo/E/56K/12"TFT from the Apple Online Store? Cool.
Here's a story about the REAL ipod killer
...Microsoft just doesn't get it. Their poor understanding of what makes the iPod a seller just illustrates their ever-increasing detachment from the pulse of "cool". Apple looked at what people wanted and made something ingenious _and focused_ to fit the bill. Microsoft, true to style, looked at the sales figures and area of penetration, formed a committee and... totally missed the point.
Sticking a gear shift on a camel doesn't make the camel cool or more useful. In fact, if the placement of the gear shift isn't a factor of the design, you get a camel that's a pain in the ass.
So MS doesn't make the hardware or do the design. Which means some toaster manufacturer with a factory full of cheap labour will get a good deal on some boring enclosure, slap together the cheapest version of this 'killer' app and flood the market with mediocrity. So we'll get clunky beige box MP3 players to go with our clunky beige boxes* running the most insecure commercial OS on the planet.
Go Bill...
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