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Japan, China, S Korea Agree To Standardize Linux
Ooi writes "Japan Today News reports: 'The governments of Japan, China and South Korea have agreed to work together to come up with an alternative computer operating system to reduce reliance on Microsoft's Windows, the Yomiuri and Nihon Keizai newspapers reported Sunday.
According to the reports, the three countries will help their private sectors develop Linux, an open-source OS that can be copied and modified freely. The agreement was signed in Beijing on Saturday by senior government officials from the three countries.'
Australian IT has an article on the issue prior to the meeting." A few weeks ago, I spoke at the Asia OSS meeting in Hanoi of which the three gov'ts above are also members. There's a very serious commitment to OSS especially among the governments represented there.
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This makes me a very happy person. With Western eurpean cities (Munich...) and now the easter countries (japan, Korea...) Linux is starting to get serious government atterion that it deserves here in the US.
so here are 3 countries which have tradionally been 'not too friendly' with each other that can agree to standardise on a single installation of Linux...
This is cool, but the $24,000 dollar question is - will they go with KDE or Gnome as the default ??
Surely this should be a slashdot poll!
Asian distro defaults...
(o) Vi and Gnome
(o) Vi and KDE
(o) Emacs and Gnome
(o) Emacs and KDE
(o) Cowboy Neal is my interface and text editor, you insensitive clod!
You can't expect to wield supreme executive power, just because some watery tart threw a sword at you
It's all well and good these countries developing Linux, but will it remain open source?
Can open source be inforced with these governmental development?
Governments can sign what they like; they don't write code, so I fail to see exactly what it is supposed to achieve to sign a document? Can someone please explain?
So how much can we expect Linux and OSS to be exploited for oppression and control of the population? China already takes a lot of measures to control the internet (students get arrested just for entering key phrases like "taiwan", "human rights" and "democracy" into google), if they can control the OS too what is to stop them from using that to further control (and while the GPL forces it to be open source, they can easily make it a political crime to use any clean/lite version of their distro)
micheal wonders.
It has been clear for some years that most countries are very unhappy with the existing OS monopoly. Given how critical IT has become, it is simply unacceptable to rely on a single, foreign vendor like Microsoft. Linux (in some evolved or forked form) will be the standard OS everywhere, at least outside the US. Other open source projects, like FreeBSD, may also conquer quite a few markets. Paradoxically, the only solution is an free, open source Windows, but I doubt Microsoft is so brave!
Remember, Mainland China is a place where women are sentenced to rape camps for having the wrong religion. What punishment is in store for those who use the wrong Linux distro?
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SCO will have you in its sights now!
Japan, China and S Korea: that's a combined population of over 1.5 billion, multiplied by $699 equals BUY SCOX!
(1.2 billion Linux users) x ($699) =
PROFIT!
Geez. With this, Darl might approach the riches of the head of Ikea, who recently bumped Gates off the "richest dude" list.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Its a free open source operating system that is a clone of Windows NT. Reactos website
I have a fetish for traffic cones
Wasn't that the Idea with Red Flag Linux (or whatever it is called... Slashdot's search feature rarely returns anything that has my search terms)? Will South Korea and Japan go for Red Flag or will they start a-fresh?
At least China already has some experience in this market. Kudos for supporting OSS and maybe (if that actually write any code) helping Linux improve even faster.
"With Western eurpean cities "
What of the Wyatt Earpean cities?
So in the near future, will we see SCO/RIAA file 1.3 billion lawsuits , 1 for each person in China, Japan and Korea? That would be a fabulous waste of money. They can just issue 1.3 billion trial delays, and SCO can take a rest for 30 thousand years!
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For example, the apt-get software is a key tool in the system administrator's arsenel. It has a relatively simple command line syntax, but it is obviously in English, and therefore would pose a problem for Japanese, Chinese or Korean administrators wanting to come rapidly up to speed. What would people think about tools like apt-get being re-engineered to include a language abstraction layer, so locales could be exchanged like plugins, to customise the tool for new countries? In fact, this type of localisation need not be limited merely to language changes. Entire cultural paradigms could be replicated via a plug-in system. For example, in Chinese markets the apt-get package management model could be described as a yum-cha cart, bringing tasty morsels of .deb packages to each table, or system. The package database would be the little card the attendant checks when you receive each plate, or in this case, .deb package
I look forward to the community's response!
Because it doesn't.
No one *has* to use Windows. There are many other operating systems, running on many different kinds of hardware.
Simply being the market leader because doesn't make you a monopolizer.
Nano is great, whenever I'm training a Windows-trained sysadmin for a Linux system, that's the first editor I throw at them. It's easy to use, and doesn't confuse the issue with either inscrutable modes or forgettable key combinations. In its default mode it even tells you the most important control keys on screen.
These people don't need much in an editor, just editing a few config files and maybe writing a short script. Nano does it easily.
Of course, I don't know how well it works with CJK scripts, I suspect badly, so it won't work well for this group.
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Heh! I'd like to see Microsoft "innovate" themselves out of this one!
Steve...
I wonder how this will fare for Red Flag Linux (English)? Nothing like a government-sponsored monopoly to cut into profits...
$ echo "ceci n'est pas une pipe" | sed -Ee 's/(eci n|pas )//g'
Microsoft does have a majority share, but total control, on the platform it co-invented with IBM (the PC).
In the PDA, Palm is quite big (no Microsoft dominance). Microsoft is no-where when it comes to the OS of the Mac platform.
"If you stare long enough into the abyss, the abyss will stare into you."
"And how is this different from the modern "Everybody is a terrorist until proven otherwise" USA."
No, under current US doctrine, you are only a terrorist if you have been proven to be one.
According to the reports, the three countries will help their private sectors develop Linux, an open-source OS that can be copied and modified freely. Dude, this is SLASHDOT. In Slashdot, EVERYONE knows what Linux is :)
This sig does not contain any SCO code.
Kind of an interesting analogy. This could be similar to the Big Iron vs PC issues that happened during the 80's. Everyone wants the speed, responsiveness, and immediate feedback of the PC. From a core OS standpoint, Microsoft just doesn't provide this. If you want a change, such as how it handles your system of written communication, you either pay the big bucks and DIY or wait for them to do it for you. Security issues tend to take longer with Microsoft. Etc, etc...
Microsoft won't ever go away. But I fee that they will become less relevant.
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- Douglas Adams
At the very least, given the big number of hardware companies in those countries (added those of Taiwan that probably wasn't in the agreement because China doesn't recognize it, but whose interests lie in the same line), this agreement will help improve Linux driver support.
That's good news and no mistake.
Rome taught me patience and assiduous application to detail. Virtues which temper the boldness of great, general views.
Pretty cool. Is the guy on the left about to lob a grenade from his M203?
It really doesnt say as much as the global piracy ring says to them.
Think about it. [Eastern]Foreign nations tend to use pirated copies of software instead of legal copies.
...but its true. An international "win" for OSS almost always means a bigger "loss" for the U.S.
So now a few more countries stop buying their software from an American corporation. Its just more and more lost exports and GDP we all have to endure, regardless of the particular goods or service.
So is a Linux monopoly better than a Microsoft monopoly all of a sudden? Some may say yes, but no monopoly is good. What these countries are doing is basically giving Linux the advantage within their own borders. Some may say this is a good thing, but to me this is government intereferance in a sector they should not touch.
This will assure is us that there will still be hardware capable of running linux when the next generation of hardware coming from the U.S (and E.U. ?) will be forced to use DRM to limit its OS choice to two (MS,Apple) or three (SUN).
Some judges may beg to differ
Some judges lie.
I'll believe it when I see Korean websites that are actually usable for people running Linux. In the Korean web, IE6 on Windows is pretty much required to do anything useful at all.
Korean Ebay is IE6 only, Korean banks offer internet banking only to IE6 users, Many Korean government websites don't function properly with anything but IE6, etc. etc.
I've been seeing articles about Korea's "committment to Linux" for a long time, but I've yet to see any evidence that the Korean web is anything other than completely and utterly owned by Microsoft.
For Japan, the most wanted goodness in Linux is security, which is considered higher than that of MS Windows. Money is not that big issue for Japanese government, as Japanese electronics giants such as Fujitsu which are close to the governemnt are traditionally big for their SPARC servers. Migrating to Linux may be short loss for those companies but killing license fee to MS and Sun will offset it.
For Korea, the most wanted is cheapness of Linux, that will help the country to grow without paying licence fee to the US company.
For China, to kill rampant piracy to meet global standard, Linux is ideal solution, and of course it is free of security backdoor that may be present in software made in the US as GNU/RMS repeats it. You may worry about China use Linux as a tool to suppress free speech, but considering this is a project of 3 countries, such aspect won't be in its contents.
Though 3 countries have different causes, as the initiative of so-called Open Source development is still in the hand of the Western people and internationalization of current OSS is poor, it is no wonder those countries start their own movement.
"Sure, and being incarcerated at Guantanamo constitutes proof"
No, it is a result of proof (such as being caught red-handed fighting in a terrorist army such as Taleban or AQ).
hmm. wonder if anti-teror government agenices is worried about this
It seems to me that M$ does best when they have serious competition. I remember that their VC compilers were always top notch when they were busy hammering away at Borland. The same thing was probably true when they were trying to break Wordperfect. The truth is that this competition will force M$ to work on their products and do good service - which is really the whole point of competition.
Not Emacs, but Mule
Here is my suggestion for an icon for the head of IKEA, since Gates is no longer Top Borg:
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Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
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> On another angle, why did the U.S. and Europe bother suing Microsoft?
It was Sun that sued Microsoft in Europe.
Its fascinating how the Chinese and Indians take
European Technology and Inovation
then run and take the cake.
Europeans must be doing something wrong
else their greed is too large they loose track
of what they are doing
I'll bet you Microsofts bank account that MS will start an ad campaign about how All American MS windows is and how RED HERRING linux is.
*DrugCheese rants*
Mule is dead, at least as a seperate Emacs-based editor. It was integrated into GNU Emacs in version 20.1 back in September 1997, and into XEmacs a few months later.
"Its fascinating how the Chinese and Indians take
European Technology and Inovation
then run and take the cake."
China sometimes takes the worst from European civilization. Take socialism, perhaps the nastiest and most lethal idea that Europe has ever come up with. Red China adopted it, and has been held back by it. Taiwan (democratic China) has been relatively free of socialism, and is much more of an economic powerhouse as a result.
...acquisition of The SCO Group for $26.9 million in stock and $40 million in gay niggers.
But what they will use $40 million in gay nigger for?
Is it too many gay niggers, or just a few very valueable gay niggers.
(If it's the latter, it makes more sense. Maybe.)
Damn, and I was kind of hoping they were going to call it 'Chinux'...
Unfortunately the OSS conference at Hanoi quickly digressed into an argument on which country would wind up being on the bottom of the tower at the end of 7 moves.
Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
With something like 1.2 billion new users, wouldn't Linux become more of a target for virus/trojan writers?
Linux supports oppressive country!
Free Software helps commies do a better job!
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But Google OS meter will be still showing 1% of linux users, it was showing the same for past few years. So what's a billion of users more or less. Stable figures are more important
On the other hand one could ask: "What will OSX users say now, until now they've been bashing that OSX is the most widely deployed *X, oh yeah, it has tranlucency"
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Just like with cars, cameras, cellphone technology, etc. They won't be satisfied with playing third fiddle to the Japanese and Chinese, they'll make their own distro, just to be different. Of course, like Kia cars are built locally from Mazda/Ford specs, and like Daewoos are built from GM plans, this will be built from a common base (probably Asianux) and touted as an all-Korean project. What interests me, though, is that this is even being considered as an option. Honestly, I haven't met a single Korean in my 114 months here who has even heard of linux, let alone one who'd actually consider using it. This country is completely hooked on windows, internet explorer and ActiveX. Check out a few typical korean websites for more flash, javascript, popups and other assorted evilness than you can probably bear...
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No.
...then (s)he must understand English regardless of your nationality.
I use Debian and I can see messages like below
"Package list wo yomikondeimasu"
"Ika no tokubetu package ga install saremasu"
"26 upgraded, 41 newly installed, sakujo: 146 ko horyuu: 12 ko"
mostly Japanese message.
But,IMHO,apt-get localization is rather irrelevant;One can't administer system if one don't have enough intelligence to understand relatively simple apt-get messages.
In these internet days , language localization for administrative tools are nonessential and unimportant...every administrator should learn some level of English.
Someday sysad may get a mail from foregin Mailer-Daemon
I knew this was going to happen. It was only a matter of time before Asia's electronics industry was going to get tired of paying the Microsoft tax. Microsoft is in big trouble, as outside the US, it'll be non-existent within the decade.
If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
For a moment we'll assume that they are actually going to succeed in cloning a version of windows before that one is several versions obsolete and used by almost nobody. And we'll assume that they implement enough of Win32 to make it a good server OS (DirectX can wait), and implement all the server infrastructure that so many servers for NT/2k use, and that they reverse-engineer any cruft they come across that's undocumented but used by some important program, and get copies of all those API calls implemented properly, and all the other crap thy have to get done. (Again, they have to hit a moving target while they do all this.)
Assuming all that, what happens when they get a cease-and-desist letter from Microsoft owing to the fact that their entire GUI is an almost exact rip-off of Windows NT, including bundled apps like the text editor, and that they all use the same name as the stuff in Windows. What's the use of an OS that's no longer being developed owing to the fact that its core team has just been shipped off to a Gulag camp somewhere in Antarctica? It's not going to keep up with Microsoft very long under those conditions.
If Microsoft were smart, the would just make a MicrosoftLinux and bundle everything they can with it. If LinuxDistros can bundle all their apps, then Microsoft could make their own distro and avoid these lawsuits and squash the competition.
Unfortunately, the meeting has not invited developers nor comapnies publicly and especially to comapnies that are not located in Beijing. The organizer of the event seems to have ignored the fact that this is an OSS event.
An interesting observation from participants was the question about continuous effort and follow-up actions. Instead of hosting workshop to discuss future co-operation, visits to local companies was arranged.
During the meeting, Redfalg CEO has claimed they have build a new distribution "ASIANUX" as the foundation of all Asia Linux distributions.
The question is that do we yet need another standard given LSB has been publicly accepted and who is RF to claim such statement...
OS is communist!
The full effort is properly referred to ASIANUX and is heavily sponsored by ORACLE. Read about the initial announcement of ASIANUX at internetnews.com
They also have a story that just ran on Friday about ASIANUX hitting 1.0 Beta and signing up over 40 vendors for certification.
$man ls | grep "^ *-" | wc -l
28
How boring. 7-bit ASCII. Only 28 things to do with ls.
Add hanzi, kanji, kana, hangul and get another 100K or so 1-character switches.
In Communist China, Linux kernel programs you.
Who submitted a story and thought they needed to point out that linux was open source. Not only that, but they felt the need to explain that linux could be "copied and modified freely"
/. right?
this is still
Being virtually freely copyable, software is coming close to fitting economists' definition of a public good - something that can't be provided to one person without providing it to everyone.
Government action is the only sustainable way to fund public goods, because of the free rider problem. This announcement was only a matter of time - and it's only the beginning.
Andrew Klaassen
I am happy to see the wider use of Linux and unhappy to see some of the xenophobic reactions every time that an Asian country announces support for open source.
Some have gone as far as calling this unamerican, thereby furthering the hollow arguments put forth by C. Mundie and co. just a few years ago.
There is a lot to be happy about:
*More bug fixes and more features
*Wider and larger hardware support
*Better internationalizaton support
And for those of us that also care about free software, I think the OS will have a slow ripple effect throughout the respective societies of Korea, China and Japan.
Eventually, it will take time, students will be empowered to start their own businesses by having the right tools at their disposal; those in Civil Society will also have an easier time finding likeminded individuals and building issue communities that use the power of open source software to coordinate their activities. All of this will take time, but it is possible.
I think FLOSS, if nothing else, opens a window into altruism and the opportunity to build a more open tomorrow. Those ideas will be the seed of change over a few generations.
Pragmatism as an ideology is not particularly pragmatic in the long term. Keep it in mind when you dismiss Free Software
More importantly, since Slashdot posted an article entitled "Microsoft Violates Human Rights In China," simply because the government there uses Windows, does this mean OSS violates human rights as well? After all, China has its own custom Linux distribution, and Red Hat removed the Taiwan flag to sell there...
Just curious what Slashdot editors' position is, since it's apparently so evil for Microsoft to be over there.
"According to the reports, the three countries will help their private sectors develop Linux, an open-source OS that can be copied and modified freely."
These asian countries are developing a brand-new OS and their going to call it "Linux". What an amazing coincidence! We have a open-source OS called Linux too. I wonder if they have a guy named "Linus" over there too?
Yeee-haaa!
Lets lead chinas oppressive socialism to OSS anarkism!
Every time you install an Open Source Operating System, a far eastern baby gets eaten!
Apart from the Chinese limitation on the number of child processes that can be forked... this sounds like a reasonable proposal.
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NO. IT IS 4 WANNABE GUYS.
HOW CAN ANYONE "TRY" A PRODUCT THAT DOES NOT YET EXIST? THEY CAN NOT.
YOU JUST WANT PUBLICITY FOR AN IDEA. IDEAS ARE EASY. IMPLEMENTATIONS ARE HARD.
COME BACK WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT DOES SOMETHING.
Well, Asia is where PC hardware comes from. If Asia wants to run Linux, then MS Palladium and all its hardware funkiness become stillborn. Which is good for everyone, including U.S. citizens like me. Way to go, Asian tigers!
The Patriot Act is Big Brother in the hands of Dubya.
China may not be better off in its Human Rights, but by implementing this Act, Dubya Prez has shown he is as repressive like China.
Which do you think is better? China oppression or Dubya oppression?
There will be several hundred million copies of Linux in Asia.
Maybe still not more than Windows, but that will wake some driver manufacturers up, let's hope.
Better yet, we'll all be using Chinese and Japanese community-written drivers.
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Just Think China Japan & South korea are some of the worlds most populated areas in the world if they set linux as the standard Linux may get back on its feet after that ordeal with the SCO (cough lusers) And hopfully surpass Microsoft's earnings in the overseas department...Just imagine a World without microsoft where there was no monoply and gates didn't exist...That would be heaven!
This doesn't really surprise me. Asia has always been ahead of us with technology, and by them making this move, it just goes to show how it's not all about their main focus on technology itself, but the good decisions they make.
And the first thing I hear about eliminating competition... I will hit someone with a detached pay phone. Look at how many distributions of the Linux operating system there are. Not only are there commercial ones, but there are community projects also. It's going to be a huge race to get to the top, running operating systems such as RedHat, Fedora, SuSE, Mandrake, Sun Java Desktop, and such. I'm sure that a lot of smaller companies will embrace this move with a few community projects on some lesser boxes also. Sure, they won't rise to fame, but it's some extra cash!
I bet all of those years ago, Linus Torvalds never expected anything like this.
"Instant gratification takes too long." - Carrie Fisher
great, they're going to optimize linux to more efficiently send spam.
Not only that, but Swedish business magazine Veckans Affarer has to read up on the definition of "ownership". They have simply added up the assets of the entire IKEA corporation as if it were part of Kamprad's private fortune. They can argue all they like that Kamprad still "controls" IKEA, but that claim alone doesn't make him richer than Bill Gates, who can likewise be said to "control" Microsoft.
Those xenophobic jerks are all windows zealots, look at thier past posts, they don't even use linux.