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Corporate Servers Spreading IE Virus [Updated]

uncadonna writes "ZDNet is reporting that corporate web servers are infecting visitors' PCs. The combination of two unpatched IE security holes and hacked corporate websites is apparently distributing malware via several high-credibility sites. ZDNet says users have 'few options' other than alternative browsers or platforms." Update: 06/25 14:50 GMT by J : A reader points out Microsoft's What You Should Know page. Here's the short version for avoiding this Critical severity attack: you must install add-on software, and change multiple settings in multiple programs, thus causing "some Web sites to work improperly." By changing more settings, you can regain functionality for a particular site if "you trust that it is safe to use," which you have no way of knowing. Or try Firefox. Update: 06/25 19:30 GMT by J : Reuters reports the attack installs a keysniffer which can steal credit card numbers, passwords, and so on. The story offers safety tips, but fails to mention that, after patching the hole, many users will be infected without their knowledge. Shouldn't the "fix" include ceasing to type anything important into your computer until you purchase software which can detect and remove the Trojan? And will you be downloading that software with Mastercard or Visa?

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  1. yes by mwolff · · Score: 5, Funny

    http://www.mozilla.org

    1. Re:yes by LooseChanj · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://www.opera.com

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    2. Re:yes by Pros_n_Cons · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why, who's that informing? This is slashdot you don't think anyone has heard of mozilla? Now that's funny!

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    3. Re:yes by lpret · · Score: 4, Funny

      http://lynx.browser.org/ -- I've yet to see an exploit that's affected me.

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    4. Re:yes by atomic-penguin · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've yet to see an exploit that's affected me.

      Perhaps, you've heard of them. It's an affliction called frames.

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    5. Re:yes by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 4, Funny
      Up from the depths,
      Thirty storeys high,
      Breathing fire,
      His head in the sky,
      Mozilla! Mozilla!

      (with apologies to the 1980s cartoon)

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    6. Re:yes by liquidsin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have no idea why www.mozilla.org is "4, Funny" but www.opera.com is "5, Informative".

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    7. Re:yes by fuzzix · · Score: 5, Funny
      Perhaps, you've heard of them. It's an affliction called frames.

      I've heard of them. I've also heard of tables. This is why I use Links
    8. Re:yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative


      http://www.mozilla.org

      Two things:

      1. Don't use an account that has elevated priviledges.
      2. Don't install the latest security patches for I.E. 6.0.

      The article mentions that the exploit takes advantage of the recently announced vulnerability in I.E. that an advertising company was exploiting. My testing of this vulnerability revealed that it would be unsuccessful if you didn't use a priviledged account. And oddly, at least with the previous exploit, the code wouldn't run until I installed the latest security updates. A generic install of Windows XP or one with SP1 didn't appear to work. Odd.

    9. Re:yes by RESPAWN · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It may not be informing anybody here, but it is a good article for those of us trying to initiate changes in internet policy. We can show it to our management as a reason to say "See! This is why we need that proxy server!" or "This is why we should switch to Opera!" or any other change.



      I for one... appreciate the ammunition. (Bet you thought I was going to welcome our new browser overlords, didn't you?)

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    10. Re:yes by wwwillem · · Score: 3, Funny

      real hackers browse the web with "telnet www.whatever.com 80 [return] [return]" :-)

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    11. Re:yes by johnnyb · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, but remembering the cookies is a pain in the butt.

    12. Re:yes by Mordaximus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hehe, maybe they should have called Firefox Mozooky instead!

    13. Re:yes by MikeXpop · · Score: 4, Interesting
      ...you must install add-on software, and change multiple settings in multiple programs, thus causing "some Web sites to work improperly." By changing more settings, you can regain functionality for a particular site if "you trust that it is safe to use," which you have no way of knowing. Or... Or... you install stand-alone software (Mozilla), change several settings in Mozilla and in windows to get it customized as much as IE was and as your default browser. You realize by using Mozilla, some sites written for IE (*cough*banks*cough*) may function improperly. And of course, no matter how many settings you change, they will always stay broken. That's a whole lot better.

      Now, I kid. I'm using Firefox right now. I'm just saying that switching over to FF or Mozilla isn't just a cross-your-arms-and-wiggle-your-nose switch. It takes a lot of work, less work than doing all that to IE.
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    14. Re:yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Up from your swap
      Thirty megs in size
      Leaking memory
      Thrashing your drive
      Mozilla! Mozilla!

    15. Re:yes by tordia · · Score: 2, Informative
      The next time after you 'switch right on back to IE', could you file a bug report? Mozilla has a team of people who make sure that mozilla works with major (and even not-too-major) websites, but they need to rely on users to tell them which sites aren't working.

      I didn't find any bugs in mozilla's bugzilla that referred to sportsline, so this problem most likely hasn't been reported yet. I was also unable to find the exact page you were referring too on cbs.sportsline.com. Otherwise, I would have submitted the bug.

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    16. Re:yes by jamie · · Score: 2, Informative
      It's a Mozilla bug.

      It's fixed, but who knows when the next build of your favorite Moz browser is coming out? The bug report says "Maybe 1.7.1" :)

    17. Re:yes by focitrixilous+P · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Apparently the high ranking at NetSec techie doesn't know it. from http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105_2-5247187.html?tag= zdfd.newsfeed


      NetSec's Houlahan advocated drastic action. "I told my wife, unless it is absolutely necessary and unless you are going to a site like our banking site, stay off the Internet right now," he said.

      Idiot. NetSec credibility is now equal to zero. OF all the peole who should have removed all shortcuts to IE, it's a techie. And what's to stop your bank from running the unpatched IIS 5? What about your homepage? IIS 5? Could be. Alt-browser time.

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    18. Re:yes by vsprintf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When you call BofA, you get "hours" of prerecorder/touch tone crap. I have just about given up on BofA.

      I gave up on B of A when they decided to become Bank of India but forgot to change their name. My local community bank has great customer service and gives back to the community by employing residents. That's where my business and money goes now.

    19. Re:yes by AstroDrabb · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Maybe that is because cbs.sportsline.com puts out some incredibly non-standards compliant HTML? Why would you blame the browser when it it the site and the "programmer" wanna-bee's that cannot generate something as simple at HTML?

      Oh, and by the way, I just tried cbs.sportsline.com and had _zero_ problems with firebird 0.9 under Linux and MS Windows.

      Now go back to your popups, spyware, adware and expliots in IE.

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  2. Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You heard the man.

    Go get Firefox Firefox now!

    1. Re:Firefox by Rabenblut · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Thanks fot the link, I've been meaning to switch from IE for a while now. Firefox looks neat, it's small and imported the bookmarks and history from IE. Easy. It also imported the saved passwords on my computer (I rarely use this option but still). Leading to a slightly offtopic and pretty stupid question: If Firefox can easily import my passwords, can't every adware and such also "import" them and send them anywhere?

    2. Re:Firefox by Rich0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      If Firefox can easily import my passwords, can't every adware and such also "import" them and send them anywhere?

      I would think so.

      Here is the question to ask yourself. Does the program that stores your passwords require any input from you to retrieve them (such as a master password). If so, you may or may not be safe - depending on how the master password is implemented. If not, you are definitely NOT safe. The passwords may be encrypted, but the key is somewhere on the hard drive otherwise IE couldn't make use of them.

      If there is a master password then it could be used to encrypt your password database, which would probably make it fairly safe if the crypto isn't broken. Then again, it could just be stored as a hash on the disk and the passwords could be stored in the clear.

      Bottom line - if the computer doesn't need to ask you for a password to access data, then spyware potentially doesn't either. Sure, things like sandboxes can protect some data from malicious apps, but they generally aren't perfect. Strictly speaking, neither is a passphrase since it doesn't have all that much entropy.

      If you really want to be secure, store your passwords encrypted using strong crypto, and store the key on a smartcard protected by a PIN. To defeat that requires the smartcard at the very least, and unless you can hack the hardware it requires the PIN as well. Most decent smartcards will delete their keys making them useless after so many failed PIN attempts.

      If iButton support was a little more mature on linux I'd probably start using it. You should check out their Java ibuttons - sounds like a neat solution for these kinds of problems. And they're pretty cheap.

  3. Wonder How Microsoft Will React by RDosage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And I also wonder how many people will actually heed the call and switch their browser.

    However, I doubt Microsoft will do anything for at least two months. Hopefully by then a major news source will pick up the story and everyone will hear it.

    1. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by pyrosoft · · Score: 4, Informative

      You mean like CNN?

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    2. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by NeoThermic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >> And I also wonder how many people will actually heed the call and switch their browser.

      Very very few. I've got firefox installed on my family computer. Despite them getting infected with adware and spyware through IE, none of them want to use firefox. I've asked them many times, and even gone to the point of deleting IE, but their resillence to use anything else forced me to put it back on (amongst other reasons).

      However, while Mircosoft are normally very good at patching these secuirty faults, this time they have totally failed. The blame doesn't rest with stubborn users who refuse to switch. The blame rests with Microsoft's inability to provide a patch in time.

      Once they do supply a patch, it will then turn into the case of a supid user who doesn't patch. (and my server's apache logs show this, I'm still getting attacked by Code Red from infected servers who have not been patched).

      Hopefully Microsoft will adapt to the pressure created by the users not being happy with the situation and release a patch.

      Then again, looking at the age of IE and the number of requests to make a better version added to the time its taken them to respond, I'm stating a pool for those who want to bid on the release date of the patch. All dates start from 2005 onwards...

      NeoThermic

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    3. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by linuxci · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You mean like CNN?

      A quick scan of that article and I couldn't see any mention of using an alternative browser, just the usual "update virus checker, etc"

      We need these sites to push the idea of Mozilla to the masses

    4. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And I also wonder how many people will actually heed the call and switch their browser.

      Not many. They will rather believe it is a kind of valuable new feature, and they will perceive the inability of being infected as another flaw in mozilla. You probably think I'm joking, but, sadly, I'm not. I was recently forced to work with two windows-minded webmasters and this is exactly the way their brains work. MSIE cannot by definition have any flaws. If MSIE is not standards-compliant, well, too bad for the standards. I'm not even sure such folks can comprehend the concept of technical standards. And they won't listen to an opinion coming from someone who uses linux and doesn't approve piracy. You don't steal software => you are irrational, perhaps insane => you can't be trusted. And the <input type crash> bug was not a bug, it was Microsoft's joke. And GIMP is simply unusable.

      So, I say, those windows users who are not totally fucked up have already switched to mozilla. Others will never switch.

    5. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by NeoThermic · · Score: 4, Informative

      >> Well the simple solution is, unless you're into just microsoft bashing, is to PATCH YOUR SYSTEMS.

      That would work, but the article states that there are no patches as of yet for these two secuirty holes...

      From the article:

      "The researchers believe that online organized crime groups are breaking into Web servers and surreptitiously inserting code that takes advantage of two flaws in Internet Explorer that Microsoft has not yet fixed."

      NeoThermic

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    6. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by tdemark · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Despite them getting infected with adware and spyware through IE, none of them want to use firefox. I've asked them many times, and even gone to the point of deleting IE, but their resillence to use anything else forced me to put it back on (amongst other reasons).

      If you would be so kind, I am really curious what the reasons were.

      What I have always done is download Firefox, change the icon to the blue E, and rename the shortcut "Internet Explorer". I then tell them, "It's the new version of Internet Explorer, called Mozilla."

      I have had no people complain or ask to have the "old" version back. In fact, the only thing I have heard is praise ("It's so fast", "I don't get pop-ups anymore", etc).

      I've done this for about 60 users (45 computers), so far.

      - Tony

    7. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by Angostura · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I know people are skeptical about a mass swap, but actually I think this is just the kind of issue that could cause small/medium sized) business (say a 100-200 users) to actually switch the default browser on their machines.

      If the scenario is as reported, and IE is currently unpatchable, then the conversation is likely to go like this:

      IT Manager: An problem has been identified in IE, it leaves the organization open to virus infection, we need to change the browser we use to something else.

      CEO: Haven't you got more important things to do, where's my mail merge. I'm not having you spending a week changing every machine.

      IT Manager: OK, the deal is, here is a threat that can't currently be solved, it presents the possibility that many of our machines could slow down, crash or be otherwise infected. To be honest, the details aren't clear, but it appears to be very easy for the infection to spread.

      Are you formally telling me that you don't want me to take any action? and that you are happy with the situation.

      CEO: How much does a new browser cost?

      IT Manager - it's free.

      CEO: quit hanging about in my office and get those new browsers installed.

    8. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by MobyDisk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Huh?
      Every Mom and Pop I've given Mozilla or FireFox to has been ecstatic, right from the start. Nobody actually LIKES Internet Explorer. They either:
      1) don't care
      2) prefer Mozilla, or
      3) are forced to use IE in a corporate environment.

      Why does your family resist?

    9. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by Alranor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I really hope you're now refusing to solve any of the problems they run into because of their continued use of Internet Explorer.

    10. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by MarkGriz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Once again it's UNPATCHED USERS who are having problems

      Not sure what article you are reading (maybe it's changed?).

      This one (from ZDNET, which is the one linked to in the story) states:

      "This time, however, the flaws affect every user of Internet Explorer, because Microsoft has not yet released a patch."

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    11. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by ViolentGreen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well some of us have more respect for ourselves and others to lie about what internet browser they are using.

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    12. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by h00pla · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Microsoft will always react by protecting their interests. If it's in their best interests to fix it quickly, they will. It it isn't, they won't.

      Who I am beginning to hope will start to react to this kind of thing is our governments. As we depend on the WWW/Internet for so much of our daily lives, I think it's time for a summit to be called about improving the state of "Information Superhighway". This particular highway is beginning to look like one of these roads you hear about in Afghanistan where you can't get from point A to B without something nasty happening.

      What we need is a solution to the monoculture of Microsoft and not just another fine (like what recently happened with he EU) that MS will just write off in their next quarterly statement. We need them to skip the fines and simply say: Fix your crappy software or we will shut you down. It will never happen, of course.

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    13. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can change the name of Firefox completely with Firesomething - although I use it primarily for the random comedy names.

      Go, Mozilla Firebadger!

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    14. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by FireFury03 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Shame they didn't include links to Mozilla, FireFox, Opera, et-al in the story

    15. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by sangdrax · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The blame doesn't rest with stubborn users who refuse to switch.

      Why not? Very good alternatives are available, and you're even ready to install and configure for them?

      If they don't even want to try them, then they shouldn't bitch about the spyware etc at all. They choose not to seriously look at alternatives. You can hardly blame MS for that.

      Very few sites actually need IE (internet banking here in the Netherlands is one example). For those sites, if they use them, keep IE around.

    16. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by Mr_Silver · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I've asked them many times, and even gone to the point of deleting IE, but their resillence to use anything else forced me to put it back on (amongst other reasons).

      I'm a long time IE (then myIE2) user and have just moved to Firefox. Some of the things as a long term IE user I dont like is:

      1. The default theme is horrible. After some digging I found Qute which is far nicer on apparantly used to be default. Why they changed it is silly.
      2. The installer has a checkbox for recommended plugins, but it isn't active. Probably due to it being less than version 1.0. I think that when it does become active it should be on by default. It is worth noting that although geeks love plugins, the normal user is somewhat slightly less ameniable to the idea (especially when the plugin is considered "essential").
      3. The settings aren't very newbie friendly. I found i had to take a lot of time setting it up. There are settings hidden away that I have to use "about:config". I should never have to do that - especially not for the ones which aren't completely obscure. It kind of reminds me of Linux (firefox) vs Windows (ie). One is more powerful and customisable, but you have to work a lot at it to get it the way you like. The other isn't, but comes with basic settings that 80% of users are happy with.
      4. Error messages in browswer is not on by default. Why not? Why is the setting hidden away? 1995 is not calling. Lets move on.
      5. The button bar has about 4 buttons. I don't think it's too much to have, by default, new tab, back, forward, stop, reload, home, bookmarks, history, print and downloads. Power users can remove them, beginners will be fine.
      6. Google search by default takes you to the "I feel lucky" page. What was wrong with the normal search?
      7. No good support for IE favourites. No wizard, for importing, no ability to automatically detect them (I had to export then from IE and import), no ability to use the IE method of storing bookmarks and retain compatibility with other parts of the OS that show my bookmarks. Hell, if you want people to migrate, make it easy for their bookmarks!
      8. Still can't work out how to make shift-click open into a new tab. One extension will allow this - but it doesn't work with the (practically essential) tabbrowser extensions.
      9. Loading times are slow. A splash screen that indicates it's loading would be nicer than sitting looking at my desktop wondering if I really did click the icon. Or faster loading times. But there is no option in the config for that. Looks like i'll have to dig again.
      Having said all that though:
      1. There is some neat functionality both with and without all the plugins. Although having said that I have no idea what the neat plugins are. It's often a case of pick what looks good and go for it.
      2. The adblock extension is very good.
      3. I like the way I can put folders into the links bar and they drop down with my websites. Especially the open all in tabs.
      Now I'm sure I'll get 50+ posts of people telling me that I'm dumb, if I do x, y and z then I can get this, I just need to edit a file, I need to install this plugin, etc.etc. but the point is that I shouldn't need to post complaints to slashdot to get the answers, nor should i need to surf the web, use google or anything else.

      Nothing I've asked for is particulary difficult, it just makes migrating less painful.

      But yes, Firefox is very good. Got a few rough edges in the userbility department, but very good.

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    17. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You need to do this the right way. Suggestions like making FireFox look like IE are pointless. Just tell them that if they keep IE, you won't fix the machine. (Assuming you arn't using it too;)

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    18. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by NeoThermic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >>Why not?

      Its fairly simple where the blame lies here. With Microsoft. No matter how you view it, by not providing a patch, they are the ones to blame. If there was a patch avalible, then yes, blame the users.

      If its still hard to see, consider this.
      Say a car had a problem by which it would be easy to break into even when locked, without any signs of breakin. You would *expect* the manafacture of the car to recall all the cars and fix them. If they didn't then the blame (and possible lawsuits) lie with the manafacture.

      Its the same with this instance. You would *expect* Microsoft to release a patch ASAP. They haven't and thus the blame lies with them.

      NeoThermic

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    19. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by ninewands · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Quoth the poster:
      We need these sites to push the idea of Mozilla to the masses

      And just WHY should CNN, or any other news service, "push" one product over another? What possible interest could they have?

      What is needed is for people (Slashdotters???) who provide "level one" tech support to family and friends to do what I did on my fiancee's computer about three weeks ago.

      Her installed IE would crash while launching and ask if she wanted to send an error report to MS. I ran ad-aware on her box and found about a dozen "browser hijacks" in amongst all the malware cookies, etc. I removed them, removed all the "Shortcuts to IE and Outlook Express from her desktop, installed Firefox and Thunderbird (along with the AdBlock and Things They Left Out extensions and a theme she liked), then made sure they were set as the default browser and mail program. Next I imported her Inbox from Outlook Express into T-bird. Finally, I turned on pop-up blocking and showed her how to use AdBlock to block ad servers.

      She's been happy as a clam ever since. To quote, "Getting on the 'net is fun again."

      Don't ask the media to do our job for us.
    20. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by calethix · · Score: 3, Interesting

      yahoo news had this article from zdnet.
      In this article, it says (towards the bottom)
      "Meanwhile, the average Internet surfer is left with few options. Windows users could download an alternate browser, such as Mozilla or Opera, and Mac users are not in danger."

      What I found somewhat funny was this quote (from NetSec's chief technology officer)
      "I told my wife, unless it is absolutely necessary and unless you are going to a site like our banking site, stay off the Internet right now"
      Does that mean he forsees a time in the near future when this kind of problem will go away? I don't.

    21. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by IANAAC · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Kind of a shame that you have to lie about what browser you're installing for them, don't you think? In the long run you're doing a disservice to the Mozilla folks by passing it off as IE, not to mention downright deceit to the user.

      A much better approach would be to sit down with the users with both browsers, and surf to good and bad sites with both to demonstrate the differences.

    22. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by SilentChris · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "What I have always done is download Firefox, change the icon to the blue E, and rename the shortcut "Internet Explorer". I then tell them, "It's the new version of Internet Explorer, called Mozilla.""

      So the only recourse to introducing the new software is to *trick* people into using it? Doesn't sound like a very effective (or fair) argument.

    23. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by tsukasa137 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My family resists because "my clients don't use Mozilla" or "Mozilla isn't the standard."

      Seems odd, doesn't it? Mozilla is one of the only standards-compliant browsers around.

    24. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by SilentChris · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "and even gone to the point of deleting IE"

      May I ask why? Your users (family) are obviously telling you something: they don't like your solution. In addition, if you're actually deleting IE (not just removing the icon) you're probably breaking a lot of apps like Norton Antivirus that requires the MSHTML.dll (among others), making things worse.

      Always make new software an option, not "trick" the user or remove their old software. Explain the reasons for the change and the benefits of the new software. If they don't find any, obviously your argument doesn't hold as much weight as you thought it would.

    25. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by sdmartin101 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      And just WHY should CNN, or any other news service, "push" one product over another? What possible interest could they have?
      Well, CNN is owned by AOLTW, the parent company of Netscape. Alas, if only they still considered Netscape a viable property.
    26. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by the+chao+goes+mu · · Score: 3, Insightful
      More interesting is the thought that the internet presents a huge security risk, his wife's machine may be compromised, but he tells her to use that possibly compromised machine to pass his financial info over a possibly compromised network.

      THIS is a technology expert?

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    27. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by repetty · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > And just WHY should CNN, or any other news service, "push" one
      > product over another? What possible interest could they have?

      Rhetorical questions, both. Historically, the media frequently takes positions on all sorts of things. Your questions imply that they don't.

      While I share you enthusiasm for a grassroots process of replacing bad software with good software, historically, the evidence that suggests that this might actually happen is pretty poor.

      Almost every non-technical person that I've met doesn't care about any of this stuff. In fact, if they did not suffer from viruses and pop-ups and spam and trojans, they would worry that something is actually wrong with their computer.

      --Richard

    28. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by cameleon · · Score: 5, Informative
      Some responses:
      1. This has been debated to death by Mozilla fans. Just give it some time, or download another theme.
      2. Extensions will be included in 1.0, I think. But there's nothing really missing for someone switching from IE; most extensions are icing for power users.
      3. I find Firefox settings very nice for a beginner/someone switching from IE. If you need to dig into about:config, you're not a stereotypical user.
      4. Because they are not working right yet. Check bugzilla if you want to know the details.
      5. This, I agree with. I'd remove all the buttons immediately, but for people coming from IE, it would be useful.
      6. No idea, I have a keyword ('g') set up for google searching.
      7. Here, you're just wrong. The installer asks on install if you want to import settings from IE, and I believe there's also a menu item to do it later.
      8. That's because shift-click saves a page. Try ctrl-click.
      9. I find it is instantanious on my 900 MHz Athlon, but this depends a lot on your computer. For me, it's the opposite: IE draws the window borders, then sits there for a few seconds before I can do anything with it. And Firefox still speeds up with each release.
      In short, you don't sound like a typical user; you're more likely a power user, and as a power user, you're expected to dig for a few options. Otherwise, the options dialog would be too overwhelming.
    29. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then the following Day...

      CEO: I have just recieved word that our ERP package won't work with your new browser. We have lost millions is lost time and revenue.

      IT Manager: Uhhh, but were more secure.

      CEO: YOU ARE FIRED !!!!!

    30. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by SilentChris · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1.) CEOs are rarely involved with anything the CTO does.
      2.) Even IF the CEO was involved, I'd hope he/she would ask questions like "Do any of our critical pieces of software besides web browsing require IE libraries? What kind of downtime are we looking at to install on several hundred/thousands machines? What kind of training?"

      Switching browsers isn't easy for a corporation.

    31. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Add 4) use it because of cool features like integration with Windows Authentication so they don't have to enter a password for their intranet applications. Not exactly "forced."

      Cool. Once this exploit is installed, the haX0rs are automatically authenticated on your company's intranet applications.

    32. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by cirisme · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Very very few. I've got firefox installed on my family computer. Despite them getting infected with adware and spyware through IE, none of them want to use firefox. I've asked them many times, and even gone to the point of deleting IE, but their resillence to use anything else forced me to put it back on (amongst other reasons).

      Do you know what their interests are online? If you can find out what they like to do, you can show them how Firefox makes it better.

      Let me give you an example. I got my entire family, including my mom!, using Firefox, but it wasn't by removing IE and saying, "Firefox is better."

      I did that many times, though, and got frustrated because each time no one would switch. But then one day I was browsing a news site and opening a bunch of links in new tabs and I realized how I could get my family to switch. My mom loves to go read news sites, and message boards and I realized that this would be a perfect use for tabs. So one day I installed it on her computer, had her come over then I opened a couple of her favorite sites then demonstrated how to open news articles in a new tab. She was an instant convert and hasn't gone back since. She even commented that it was much faster, and easier to use.

      If you really want your family to switch, I don't think just telling them it's better is going to make them jump ship and use Firefox instead of IE. What we need to be doing, IMHO, is looking at our target audience, seeing how they surf the web, then show them some way that Firefox makes it better. People will switch if you give them a reason and make it painless. Install Firefox for them, show them how to use it for what they do, then let them sit down and use it with you and I would bet that you would have an instant convert. :)

      MHO, of course...

    33. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by ednopantz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Unlike Mozilla, by default, you have to type google in a silly little search box instead of the address box. Which is silly, since google is all about finding what you want and the address box is all about going places.

      I use google like an abused personal assistant: "Jenkins! get me foobar corp! If foobar.com doesn't exist then just get me the google search results on foobar, whatever, I don't have time to think about how to get it, just get it!"

      The address bar is about going places and integrating it with search is such a stunningly obvious thing to do that I find it amazing that Foxfire has a different default behavior. The fact that I can't just go to options->Addressbarsearch> and change this nonsense is evidence some user testing would have been in order.

      Instead, in typical "menus are for cretins, the 31337, use configs and command lines", I have to hunt down the instructions for changing this behavior, then edit the user.js file on every machine I use.

      None of which is to say it is a bad browser, it just has a number of annoyances.

    34. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by h00pla · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Realize, please, that calling in The Government has never produced a magical cure for any problem. In some cases, however, it certainly has done a miraculous job of making things worse.

      I agree with this to a certain point. I think that given small scale problems, government is not the place to look for a solution. But you have to admit the problems of the Internet are becoming wide-scale. Most of the email that now moves around is spam. Most of this is moved by zombied PCs running Windows. Most of the spy ware, malware and other maladies out there take advantage of flaws in Windows. 90%+ of all PCs in the world run Windows. Microsoft is a monopoly. Monopolies cannot be fixed by market forces - because they fix the market. If government can't fix it, and the market is no longer capable of doing it, then who/what will?

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    35. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by berzerke · · Score: 2, Informative

      Until they tried to reach an "active X required" page...

      Of course, it is generally advised to turn off activex for security reasons...Although there is a plugin to run activex in Mozilla ( http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/mozilla.htm ).

    36. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by div_2n · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Simple. Because if people are infected and unable to get to your website because their computer is screwed, then you don't have them as a customer at the moment.

      Also realize that it is possible that someone that hated CNN could easily create one of these viruses to redirect cnn.com to a competitor or to the localhost.

      Urging customers to use products that keep them a customer is good business. Much like bars generally won't serve someone that is so drunk they can't stand up and sometimes (I have seen it) call a cab for someone they knew couldn't drive.

    37. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by parksie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, yes. I want them to become targets. As a result of this, Mozilla/Firefox's quality will increase rapidly, and patches will be available within hours, going by usual standards.

      Don't know about Opera, but they seem to care more than MS does about fixing things.

    38. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by LordBodak · · Score: 2, Informative
      They still do.

      Luna and Luna Blue.

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    39. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by pohl · · Score: 5, Insightful
      And just WHY should CNN, or any other news service, "push" one product over another? What possible interest could they have?

      I don't think they should push one product over another, but I would love to see them identify the product & vendor of the vulnerable software. Too often these stories are very generic, saying that the virus infects your computer when you visit a website -- whereas they should say that the virus infects Microsoft Windows(tm) when you use Microsoft Internet Explorer(tm) to visit a website.

      In addition, rather than saying that you should just keep your anti-virus software up-to-date, they should offer the useful tidbit that the virus could also be avoided by using alternatives the vulnerable products. They don't have to mention Opera or Mozilla. They don't have to mention Linux or MacOS X. Just let the users know that there are other things they could do beyond paying Symantec (et al) for a more recent anti-virus package.

      What's possible interest could they have in doing this? To inform. That's a novel concept for a news source, I know...but I'd still like to see it happen now & then.

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    40. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by PhxBlue · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And just WHY should CNN, or any other news service, "push" one product over another? What possible interest could they have?

      A commercial interest. AOL/Time Warner owns both CNN and Netscape.

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    41. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by johnnyb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If we had three major browsers - IE, Moz, and Opera, any given exploit wouldn't have the same impact as an IE exploit does now.

    42. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by ichimunki · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And just WHY should CNN, or any other news service, "push" one product over another? What possible interest could they have?

      1. News media frequently do things "for the public good"-- insofar as switching browsers is the best protection, they might recommend doing so just to be helpful. 2. The media are alreay, even in the CNN article, pushing one product over another-- they suggest updating virus definitions and stuff, which sounds a lot like a product endorsement for virus protection software to me. 3. Their own company might benefit from a more insightful analysis of the issue, considering that CNN has a web server and is probably staffed by lots of web surfers. If they recommend updating virus definitions, yet their server manages to infect me, because I followed their advice and it was insufficient, can I hold them liable? Also, if their employees are affected because they followed an insufficient plan, could it hurt their bottom line?

      By the way, my job is not supplying applications support to Microsoft's customers-- no matter how much I care about those customers personally.

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    43. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by rembem · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is that most people think that that Blue E == The Web == The Internet. E.g. many don't see they're also using internet when they're e-mailing. When you say "I'm gonna remove IE and give you firefox.", they think "He's gonna remove my internet access for some fire security reason! Ahrg!" They somehow just can't grasp what the internet is. What they see is the web, therefore they assume that the web == the internet. To start 'the internet', they click the blue E, therefore they assume that the blue E == the internet.

      Somehow you've got to educate those people that The Internet != The Web != Blue E. Now you're just abusing their primitive assumptions. ;)

    44. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh yeah right. Like my friends and family don't think I'm *enough* of a loser.

      Now I'm supposed to sit down with them for a "face-to-face" about two browsers which are *identical* from their point of view?

      "Susan, come here for a minute."

      "Why? I've got to go in 10 minutes, I'm really busy."

      "No this is really important."

      "Oh okay"

      "I wanted to show this web browser"

      "Yeah, explorer, so what?"

      "No!!! This is FIREFOX!! AN ADVANCED OPEN-SOURCE WEB BROWSER!! MUCH MORE SECURE!!!"

      "It looks like explorer to me."

      "Well, it LOOKS like explorer but it's better. Look here, this is etrade.com, it looks just like explorer right? open source rules!"

      "Uhh, yeah, it looks exactly the same to me. Well don't mess up my computer I have to go."

      "WAIT!!! If there had been a virus there on etrade.com you WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN IT!! ISN'T THAT AWESOME!!!!!!!!"

      "You are such a loser."

    45. Re:Wonder How Microsoft Will React by KjetilK · · Score: 2, Informative
      Yup. The BBC has an article up now that quotes:

      In its round-up of the threat the Internet Storm Center bluntly stated that users should if possible "use a browser other then MS Internet Explorer until the current vulnerabilities in MSIE are patched."

      and then goes on with links to other browsers in the margin. Not very prominent, but it is a start.

      I found this from mainstream Norwegian paper Dagbladet that runs a story on the frontpage entitled "Warns against Internet Explorer".

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  4. FUD ? by mirko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They don't mention that much names.
    I however think that besides nda policy or whatever, they should give the names of the sites that should be avoided for security reason.
    I'd personally advise the corporate DNS maintainer to redirect these to somwhere safer.

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    1. Re:FUD ? by Rick.C · · Score: 3, Insightful
      they should give the names of the sites that should be avoided for security reason.

      They could be sued for lost business if they released the names. The compromised sites could fix their problem, but the warnings would still be out there, hurting their business.

      It sucks, but that's the way it is.
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  5. Don't Forget Opera by koniosis · · Score: 4, Informative

    Opera also offeres a very decent alternative to both IE and Mozilla/Firefox.

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    1. Re:Don't Forget Opera by ajs318 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Opera is closed source. For all you know it could be infested with just as many nasties as IE. I mean, it probably isn't; but you just don't know, do you?

      Here is my postulate: The only way you can trust any software is through independent audit of the source code.

      Whether that's you yourself, or somebody to whom you have paid a sum of money. Relying on what the software supplier -- or their hired goons -- have said, is asking for trouble. Somewhere in between the two extremes, lies a third option: just let enough ordinary people, independent of yourself and the author, look at the source code -- and cling with all your might to the assumption that if anybody spots something nasty, then they will speak out, just because they have no good reason not to.

      If anyone knows another way that software can be made trustworthy, beside independent source audit, please feel free to enlighten me. Until such a time, I stand by my assertion that open source software is more likely to be trustworthy than closed source, varying with the validity of the aformentioned Great Assumption.

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    2. Re:Don't Forget Opera by koniosis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Its free if you have google ads enabled, which take up less space than the status bar and contain no images (just text ads). Otherwise it's still very cheap considering how good it is.

      Rant at other people complaining about it not being free:

      Just because IE is free and open source doesn't have a choice doesn't mean that something you have to pay for is not worth paying for. If this held true why would anyone use any peice of software that had a free alternative? I'm not saying that Mozilla or Firefox aren't good, but I am saying Opera offers something for a price that some people will be willing to pay (or live with the non intrusive text ads).

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    3. Re:Don't Forget Opera by numark · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you're a web developer or work for a company that does anything related to web development (this covers well over half of all Slashdot users), you can get free licenses for Opera that take the standard ads off of the browser. I've included a link below to the donations page. Just fill it out and in a day or two they will send you a code that you can use to disable ads on your Opera installation(s).

      Opera Donations Program

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    4. Re:Don't Forget Opera by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 2, Informative

      1. There is a free ad-supported version. And, because of the way the ads are served, you're browsing speed isn't constantly compromised.

      2. There's a pay, ad-free version. This is what I and tens (hundreds?) of thousands of others have on their computers. Opera is the best browser out there, and there are a lot of people out there who believe that it's worth paying for quality (cf BMW, Mercedes, Rolex, Zippo, etc).

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  6. What's it going to take to make people switch? by mrdaveb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think I'll just have to be content that great browsers like Firefox are available for me to use, because obviously the masses are never going to be interested.
    With these unpatched IE flaws in the wild, IE users don't even have to do something silly to get infected. But I suppose you could argue they are already doing something silly!

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    1. Re:What's it going to take to make people switch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The masses CAN BE interested.

      I've been able to convince every one of my 18-year-old friends (who are mostly NOT technical people at all) to use Firefox. They all LOVE it. I think they switched partially because of all my complaining every time they started IE in front of me -- and partially because I sat down at their computer and downloaded the thing and installed it.

    2. Re:What's it going to take to make people switch? by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      They do it to prevent another browser from getting a toehold on the market. Their fear with Netscape was that the internet browser could become an operating platform unto itself, thus writing them out of the picture.

      So they quick bought spyglass, renamed it I.E., knitted it into Windows 98. To get around "bundling" provisions in Anti-Trust law they wrote the browser into the OS as the file manager. This "functionality" is the infection vector used by most viruses. Since you use it to browse your files, as well as the Internet, the software requires far more privileged access to the OS than any Internet-Only browser would require.

      File this under Evil and Rude.

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  7. This could finally be it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The disaster we all knew was going to happen. Not just some uber1337 script kiddie releasing a buggy worm that crashes the computers it attacks but organized crime attacking the net infrastructure.

    But as bad as this may be this might also mean that finally more and more people and institutions will come to the conclusion, that a global infastrcuture depending on one product from one company simply isn't the way to go. Especially if this company has such a horrid track record when it comes to security.

    1. Re:This could finally be it by bigberk · · Score: 4, Funny
      The disaster we all knew was going to happen.
      Nope, the disaster hasn't happened yet. When it happens, the economy will collapse and what's left of Microsoft will be hauled before court. The FBI or some other government body will use its existing evidence to show that Microsoft knew about the risks posed by its monoculture OS/desktop yet failed to take the necessary measures to protect consumers and businesses. It will be a grey area but it won't matter, since mainstream IT will be shattered. The nerds will rebuild, and will be filthy rich. Women will throw themselves at us.
    2. Re:This could finally be it by GPLDAN · · Score: 3, Funny

      The nerds will rebuild, and will be filthy rich. Women will throw themselves at us.

      This implies that all nerds are men. Or lesbians.

  8. one thing I never get... by Mengoxon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...that enough people buy spam goods to pay for organized crime.

    1. Re:one thing I never get... by swb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're presuming that spam "business", such as it is, is actually like any other mail order business, where you send them money and then they send you a product, and that the business has the same kinds of overhead costs as any other business.

      First of all, their product costs are near zero; remember, there's not really a pill that makes your penis huge. Sugarpills are pennies per thousand. Add a B&W label and a plastic bottle, and you have a product with a net cost of about $0.50.

      Second of all, this assume you get sent a 'product' at all. Who are most of these clowns buying drugs going to call if they spend $100 on x.a.n.a.x from and get nothing? The cops? "Ahh, yeah, I mail-ordered some Vicodin and I didn't get anything....no, I don't have a perscription to take to Walgreen's....uhh, I'm under arrest? Shopping for narcotics without a prescription is a felony?"

      Thirdly, where do you think your credit/bank/identity information goes when you "buy" something from a spammer? Into their encrypted database at their multimillion dollar secure hosting center staffed with highly trained, background-checked professionals? No, it gets resold to scam artists and theives who bilk your cards and then sell what's left of your identity to pros who work it over even harder.

      So for every $100 "sale" that even ships a product you have about $95 in profit, another $500 in credit card fraud (double/triple charged), an identity resellable to identity theives for maybe $1000 if you do it quick before the victim cancels the card (which can then be bilked for another $1000 or more if you can do some quality ID theft).

      So there you have it -- $2k pretty easily from a single sale. How many of those do you have to make before it's considered profitable? 3? 10?

    2. Re:one thing I never get... by Contact · · Score: 2, Insightful
      They don't. Organised crime isn't selling things via spam - they're selling spamming services to either businesses who believe that they can make a profit by bulk mailing, or (presumably) to other third party spammers.

      Spammers don't care whether people buy products through spam. They're not selling to you. They're selling "marketing services" to people too stupid, lazy or unethical to care about the overall effects of their actions.

  9. What really happens... by ibjhb · · Score: 5, Informative

    Since the article is very vague, what happens is that once they compromise the IIS server, they modify each site on the server to write a document footer to every page. The document footer calls a DLL placed in the %windir%\system32 directory. The DLL writes a line of JavaScript to each page which redirects the user to a remote server to download the malicious code.

    1. Re:What really happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This isn't a new technique, I remember the web development agency I worked for a few years back being caught out by a similar effect. A co-worker took some work home with him, and his (unpatched, unfirewalled, broadband-connected) IIS installation was infected. When he synced up with us the next morning, he infected about two hundred websites, some of them were very high profile. Hundreds of thousands of users were exposed.

      It was a stupid company, and I was always trying to get them to change policies that let things like this happen. When we started getting phonecalls from clients about this, the owner blamed stupid kids with too much time on their hands, and said we had absolutely nothing to do with it, couldn't be blamed, etc. All our clients fell for it, hook line and sinker. I think the owner had himself convinced by the end of the day (he was the type that refused to accept he was capable of screwing up).

      It's a sad state of the industry that we were responsible for infecting thousands of people and we got away with it scot-free.

  10. They won't list the sites by mgkimsal2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This time, however, the flaws affect every user of Internet Explorer, because Microsoft has not yet released a patch. Moreover, the infectious Web sites are not just those of minor companies inhabiting the backwaters of the Web, but major companies, including some banks, said Brent Houlahan, chief technology officer of NetSec.

    "There's a pretty wide variety," he said. "There are auction sites, price comparison sites and financial institutions."

    The Internet Storm Center, which monitors Net threats, confirmed that the list of infected sites included some large Web properties.

    "We won't list the sites that are reported to be infected in order to prevent further abuse, but the list is long and includes businesses that we presume would normally be keeping their sites fully patched," the group stated on its Web site.


    WHY NOT? I've been trying to think of a reason NOT to list the sites infected, but I can't think of a good one. "To prevent further abuse"???? Wouldn't giving the public NOTICE about these sites help prevent more infections by having people NOT go to those sites?

    1. Re:They won't list the sites by BandwidthHog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, but if we're talking about sites like eBay (implied) or MSN (explicitly mentioned above), then it's not like 4.2 squillion people wouldn't have hit those sites today regardless.

      As big a fan of MS as I am (the email address above really is valid), I truly hope this doesn't turn out to be as big and nasty as it looks so far.

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    2. Re:They won't list the sites by flowerp · · Score: 5, Insightful


      Nope, I think the real reason is protecting the businesses.

      Even if the sites' admins had aleady removed the infecting code, a "dangerous sites" list like that would likely prevent many potential visits to the site for weeks to come.

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    3. Re:They won't list the sites by majid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The InfoWorld article has a more candid take: they don't want to be sued by the compromised major site owners. Even if the lawsuits do not succeed, the cost of defending against them is potentially ruinous for anyone not a Fortune 500.

      Unlike companies, private individuals have better protection in the many states that have anti-SLAPP laws. These laws allow a judge to summarily dismiss SLAPPs (strategic lawsuits against public participation, i.e. intimidation by litigation) and award legal costs to the defendant.

  11. Security Advisories by Lars+T. · · Score: 5, Informative

    US-CERT and Internet Storm Center. Less talk, more information.

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    1. Re:Security Advisories by sploo22 · · Score: 3, Funny

      The site which is actually sending the infected file seems to have been slashdotted. Is this the next wave of antivirus technology?

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  12. Opera? Firefox? IE.....hell no by arikol · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know its not fashionable around these parts, being closed source, but Opera (www.opera.com) really is the bees knees. On my machine it renders faster, everything is snappier than mozilla/firefox and has more features than you can shake Darl Mcbride at. Its not free, true, but costs about the same as a pop-up blocker for Internal Exploder Plus, Operas built in mail client is wonderful Not that Im badmouthing firefox, I have that too, I just like Opera even better

  13. Hmmm.... by T-Keith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've always wondered how my coworkers who "only" go to major sites like Yahoo and Ebay, pick up all sorts of spyware and adware.

    1. Re:Hmmm.... by Mz6 · · Score: 3, Funny
      Yeah... But that's also the excuse I get when I have to clean off XXXToolbars that has infected their computer.

      "I swear, I never go to those sites, only the major ones."

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    2. Re:Hmmm.... by nine-times · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not just warez and porn, though. C-net's Download.com offers software that is "freeware" but spyware infected. I find people all the time who have installed some program that syncs their system clock with an internet server, or checks the weather outside, or puts an animated cat on their screen, or some other cutesy program, that seems to have been developed for the sole purpose of spyware delivery.

  14. This just in... by howman · · Score: 5, Funny

    It has just been brought to our attention at the root of the problem this site

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  15. Re:MSN Search is infected by DrMrLordX · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Any word on whether or not hotmail is infected? That could be ugly.

  16. Re:MSN Search is infected by nick-less · · Score: 2


    The MSN search engine is infected.

    You can download the trojan from here:
    http://search.msn.com/msits.exe


    all I get is a zero sized file..

  17. Ask Microsoft by m00nun1t · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/downloa d_ject.mspx

    Linked to from their home page, has been for quite a few hours. Gives more information, including an inference that the server portion is self propogating, and that (contract to /.) that a patched PC is safe.

    1. Re:Ask Microsoft by r1ch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually it implies that you need Windows XP SP2 _RC2_ (ie not actually released yet) to be safe - that's not really something that MS should expect people to install on production boxes.

  18. Hello? Use Firefox! by Solar+Limb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Christ man, how many times do people have to be told to use Firefox or another alternative, more secure browser? IE's browser development efforts have been long gone, and it shows in both features/functionality as well as security.

  19. But How Many People Will Switch? by Paulrothrock · · Score: 5, Insightful
    My dad had horrible spyware gunking up his PC at home. (Which he bought against my recommendation of a Macintosh.) I used my limited knowledge of spyware to clean it up, and told him to use Firefox. Next week, the default browser was back to IE. I changed it because I thought Windows had done something. The following week he told me "I don't want to use Firefox. Nothing works in it!"

    He'd rather have me wipe spyware and adware from his machine than deal with it. It's a symptom of having w3schools.com graduates making web sites in Frontpage that only work on front page.

    Of course, now IE doesn't work at all, so he runs AOL through his broadband connection to surf the Internet.

    And yes, I have since stopped wiping adware/spyware from his machine. I told him if he wasn't going to buy a machine that didn't get the stuff, or use a browser that was secure, he can deal with it himself.

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    1. Re:But How Many People Will Switch? by jcupitt65 · · Score: 2, Informative
      The most broken site I've found is the Odeon cimema page. They are using dHTML to make their nav elements float about in some funky, stupid way and it's useless in any mozilla browser.

      (I'm not knocking moz, I love it, just that there are some sites that don't work)

    2. Re:But How Many People Will Switch? by lewp · · Score: 2, Funny

      And while they're recovering from your assault the top-notch assistive technologies in the latest GNOME releases would allow them to continue to get work done. Another Linux convert!

      Maybe getting the Linux revolution in full swing requires geeks to start beating people mercilessly for their own good. What Microsoft can do with billions of marketing dollars, we can do with a board with a nail in it.

      (Most of us are rather weak, so I recommend teaming up 3-4 geeks per regular person you're trying to... um... educate.)

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  20. How to kill it by SpinyManiac · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think this is the one I caught at work.
    No security restrictions in IE will stop it.

    I caught it here:
    http://www.yetanotherhomepage.com/j7xx/j7xx .html
    There's a reason that this one isn't a link. ;)

    I killed mine like this (Windows 2000):

    Delete these:
    C:\Winnt\System32\Swin32.dll
    C:\Winnt\Sys tem32\Automove.exe
    C:\Winnt\System32\Trans.exe

    And this:
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windo ws\Curr entVersion\Run
    [Adstartup] C:\Winnt\System32\Automove.exe

    Seek and destroy Swin32.dll in the registry
    Take out all of the CLSIDs it occurs in.

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    1. Re:How to kill it by Glock27 · · Score: 2, Informative
      No security restrictions in IE will stop it.

      I don't think this is correct. If you turn off "Active Scripting" for the "Internet Zone" you should be invulnerable, AFAIK. Specifically, it is a Javascript exploit.

      Check out the CERT advisory.

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  21. public health comparison? by mgkimsal2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Replying to my own post: :)

    If there was a public health risk - such as biohazardous material - even in a private storefront - the city or state would close off the area and warn people not to go there. Yes, you might have people wanting to go anyway, but they've been warned.

    I know the analogy isn't all that great, but it's the best I can do right now. :)

    1. Re:public health comparison? by The_REAL_DZA · · Score: 4, Insightful
      If there was a public health risk - such as biohazardous material - even in a private storefront - the city or state would close off the area and warn people not to go there. Yes, you might have people wanting to go anyway, but they've been warned.
      Oh, you'd not only have people wanting to go there, you'd have people determined to go there (whether just to "test their mettle" or because they're crazy or just stupid or whatever), and the authorities would physically block access to the site by closing roads and posting armed security personnel around the perimeter. That's what's missing with the internet: a truly controlling authority with rapid response capabilities to answer "emergency" calls such as we might expect to come in to the local 911 switchboard, plus the ability (and willingness) to quarantine "sites" that pose a potential "public health risk" to the rest of the 'net. That's both bad (from a potential-victim standpoint) and good (from a personal liberties standpoint), but there's got to be some middle ground better than just running the internet "WFO" and depending on the good nature and virtue of the general public.
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  22. Infected ferociously by phil-is-math · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was wondering where I got this from. I spent 4 hours removing Malware from my computer the other day. Since I don't tend to visit pr0n sites at work, I had know idea how I was so badly infected until now... Ad-aware, spybot, and Nortons did not find the evil software. My process list was filled with MANY unkillable process with random names. Every time I killed one, it would start again with a new name. I found the executables on my drive and deleted them, they would RE-CREATE themselves!! Also, it looked like one of the installed viruses(?) would download new Malware! I was wondering, is this a virus? is it spyware? It was hard to classify as far as I could tell and it SUCKED.

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    1. Re:Infected ferociously by julesh · · Score: 2, Informative

      The best approach for this kind of thing: kill everything that starts automatically in your registry and win.ini files, and then quickly switch your machine off, ASAP after you've saved your changes to win.ini, without going through shutdown. Just pull the plug. With any luck, you've prevent them from putting themselves back into those locations and now you can delete them normally.

      I had similar problems removing a piece of shit known as CoolWebSearch from a friend's machine.

    2. Re:Infected ferociously by PalmerEldritch42 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Ooooh CoolWebSearch really pisses me off. I have had to clean it off of several co-workers computers recently. Nothing seems to fix it! Until... There is a new utility that I found recently that is specific to this malware. It is called CWShredder.exe. It will fix all known variants of CWS. You can get it from:

      Majorgeeks. there are other mirrors aound, too.

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  23. I call bullshit by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "We won't list the sites that are reported to be infected in order to prevent further abuse, but the list is long and includes businesses that we presume would normally be keeping their sites fully patched," the group stated on its Web site.

    I don't buy it.
    If your goal is to have the problem fixed, then name names, contact the affected companies so they can fix it (or have their contracted webmasters fix it) and move on.
    The whole thing stinks of FUD tactics, and the last line in the article seals it for me:
    NetSec's Houlahan advocated drastic action.

    "I told my wife, unless it is absolutely necessary and unless you are going to a site like our banking site, stay off the Internet right now," he said.
    Puleeeeeze

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    1. Re:I call bullshit by jjares · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That has to be the absolutely worse Internet advice I've read!. "Honey, unless you need to enter your personal banking information and/or credit card, please don't browse the web"

  24. The great firewall of ... Western countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In the future, people will just "firewall" off offending countries until they start policing and clean up their act. Sort of like UN sanctions but online :)

    Besides... AKs aren't allowed over here ;P

    1. Re:The great firewall of ... Western countries by RayTardo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Doesn't a high proportion of spam come from the USA?

  25. Undisclosed sites? by SlashDread · · Score: 3, Interesting

    WTF is that? So it can infect the rest of the world?

    This reeks of criminal negligence IMHO, they know of a crime, and they wont tell how or who will do it to you..

    "/Dread"

  26. not detected by AV software? by Lxy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This "virus" is not detected by antivirus software, according to the article. Does anyone know why? I run eTrust on my IIS boxen. (yes, I have a few, no I didn't put them there, no, they shouldn't be there, but our dev team wants ASP) Etrust is a fine product, but supposedly this offending code isn't detected. That bothers me a little, but this leads to another question.

    Why isn't spyware classified as viral code? I realize it doesn't spread in the same manner as a virus, but it a) installs itself uninvited b) causes the PC and its software to behave erratically and c) makes my job needlessly more difficult. It bothers me that virus scanners aren't picking up spyware.

    Anyway, to bring this back on topic, this situation requires a server side fix. I'm sorry, I can't tell every customer to switch browsers. I can't even get my internal users to switch. Most can't, because of some oddly coded piece of software that only runs in IE. My point is, my boxen might be infected right now. Not caught by AV software, how am I supposed to determine whether this thing lives on my server?

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    1. Re:not detected by AV software? by Miamicanes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The particular exploit discussed here is clearly viral/trojan in nature and a prime candidate for Norton, but there's a good reason why Symantec in particular stays FAR away from spyware detection and deactivation -- the threat of lawsuits.

      There's one thing that distinguishes most spyware from what historically would have been classified as viri or trojans... EULAs. Often, the EULAs are cloaked in various ways and trick the user into agreeing to them, or play various tricks with the online equivalent of "shrinkwrap agreements", but one way or another, they're there. Would any sane jury ever actually uphold a EULA promising to deliver targeted advertising in return for the "service" of notifying the contacts in one's address book of free porn, particularly if it were buried in the middle of a EULA the length of __War_and_Peace__? Probably not. But that doesn't mean companies behind it wouldn't go after Symantec anyway and force them to bear the expense of defending themselves against hundreds and hundreds of lawsuits filed against them in every jurisdiction of the world.

      Of course, lawsuits against them for helping users to breach EULAs is just one possibility. In common-law countries, actions for libel are another possibility. God only knows what they could be sued for in a civil-law country.

      It's the same reason why DELL's tech support refuses (or at least did as of a few months ago... not sure of their current policy) to assist with spyware removal.

      Remember, most companies that financially support spyware are on the shady side anyway. For companies like them (can we say, "Sco?"), selling goods and providing services are just ONE element of their money-making plans. They view things like, say, suing their own victims, as a perfectly legitimate strategy.

  27. Liability of sites that recommend IE? by G4from128k · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So many places say "this site best when viewed with IE." IANAL, but it seems irresponsible for a site to recommend IE, especially if site handles sensitive materials such as financial services or downloadable software. If IE includes known vulnerabilities, can sites be held liable for making that recommendation?

    Any thoughts from the more legally minded amongst us?

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    1. Re:Liability of sites that recommend IE? by danheretic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What would be nice is to whip up a quick, standardized text that we could email to every webmaster we find the "best viewed with IE" tag on.

      Something like:

      Dear Webmaster:

      While visiting your site, I noticed that it expresses a preference or requirement to view the site using Internet Explorer. I would like to suggest that you make the web page standardized so that any standards-compliant browser can view its complete content.

      The World Wide Web Consortium (www.w3c.org) provides specifications and guidelines for web standards. Most mainstream web development tools, with the exception of Microsoft's FrontPage (which uses proprietary code which might only work in its own product, Internet Explorer), are designed to be in compliance with these specifications.

      Internet Explorer has been proven time and again to be an insecure product, and is a large cause of malware and other security problems on clients' machines. While specialized code developed to work exclusively in Internet Explorer might be convenient, it may be harmful to the users who view your site.

      Please consider using another tool or adjust your web design practices so that the resulting pages may be viewed with any standards-compliant web browser.

    2. Re:Liability of sites that recommend IE? by hopethishelps · · Score: 2, Insightful
      While specialized code developed to work exclusively in Internet Explorer might be convenient, it may be harmful to the users who view your site.

      Generally speaking, one should always ask nicely. But I think you're overdoing it here. These sites are exposing their customers to risk. Under the circumstances I think one is justified in being a little more direct. Perhaps replace this by:

      As a user of your web site, I object most strongly to your faulty web-site design, which compels your users to expose themselves to security problems.

  28. Is it an IE only exploit? by SimplyCosmic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The original post mentions a "combination of two unpatched IE security holes", but both the US-CERT and Internet Storm Center only mention javascript and not a specific browser as being able to be compromised by the infected IIS servers.

    My question is, how do we know this is an IE-only problem? I ask this because I have several friends whom I'm trying to convince try an alternative browser for security reasons but I don't want to be that guy we all know who goes off about "IE exploits" that turn out to be nothing of the sort.

    1. Re:Is it an IE only exploit? by Jarnis · · Score: 4, Informative

      In Real Browsers javascript is sandboxed and it cannot do anything harmful. This thingy uses javascript to perform IE-only exploit.

    2. Re:Is it an IE only exploit? by julesh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Javascript is sandboxed in IE, too. The problem is, the IE sandbox leaks...

  29. Another nail in Javascript's coffin by onlyjoking · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It won't be long before Javascript is considered a complete security risk and it's the web developers who are going to suffer. Despite the rantings of sysadmins who don't touch web development it is actually a very useful language to supplement HTML.

    Javascript menus and first pass form validation, anyone?

    1. Re:Another nail in Javascript's coffin by Artega+VH · · Score: 2, Insightful

      menu's and form validation are what javascript should be used for... but instead it's a fully blown programming language...

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    2. Re:Another nail in Javascript's coffin by FireFury03 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Javascript is only a security risk if it is implemented badly. And like it or not, Javascript (or similar) is here to stay, there's so much you can do with it that can't be done another way.

    3. Re:Another nail in Javascript's coffin by julesh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I *always* try to develop web sites that work with javascript disabled. It isn't always easy to make this coincide with client requests, but you can usually do it (even if you have to have a no-js version).

      I've worked in an environment before (a corporate centre for a major UK bank) where javascript was stripped from downloaded web pages at the firewall.

    4. Re:Another nail in Javascript's coffin by fupeg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't tell Google this! They have a site that is ALL JavaScript...

  30. Re:what sites are infected? by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    So does anyone know what sites are infected? I'm sure most of us would like to avoid them...

    Avoid them? Hell, I'd start by blocking them on my web proxy immediately until I get the all clear. We've got thousands of desktop users running IE. This could get nasty.

  31. Because it would make me ANGRY by Gzip+Christ · · Score: 4, Insightful
    WHY NOT? I've been trying to think of a reason NOT to list the sites infected, but I can't think of a good one.
    They are probably not listing the sites in order to prevent (or minimize) a consumer backlash from consumers againts the sites and then a subsequent backlash from the companies against Microsoft. I tell you what - if I found out that any of my banks were irresponsible enough to be running infected servers like this I would immediately move my accounts elsewhere. I'd also be very eager to participate in any class action lawsuit against said institutions. If you don't know how to drive you stay off the road. If you don't know how to keep your servers secure, stay the hell off the Internet. My banks have a fiduciary responsibility to protect my money and if they are knowingly running an infected server, I would consider that a breach of their responsibility, and I would hope that the courts agree. This is like a brick and mortar bank keeping money and records on location when it knows that the locks on the doors don't work!
    1. Re:Because it would make me ANGRY by 0123456 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "They are probably not listing the sites in order to prevent (or minimize) a consumer backlash from consumers againts the sites and then a subsequent backlash from the companies against Microsoft."

      And this is a good thing... because? Why the hell shouldn't these companies be exposed as unable to keep their servers secure, and why the hell shouldn't they be angry at Microsoft for their buggy software?

      These companies should be forced to take responsibility for infecting their customers' PCs: it's the only way they'll be likely to be more careful in future.

  32. Microsoft's Response by prandal · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:Microsoft's Response by qodfathr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've had problems with some hotfixes wanting to be applied over-and-over again; don't remember if 833732 was one of them.

      In any event, the problem often resulted from a customization I had made to Windows. In particular, if I had moved some system files to a new location (e.g. dllcache). Normally, this isn't a problem -- you just make some registry changes to point to the new location, copy the files, etc. But I've come to find that some hotfixes (which, as Microsoft states, often have not been through a full regression test) are hard-coded to things like the C: drive. So, they blindly look in C:\Windows\System32 for the updates files, don't find them, and indicate an update is required.

      Now, more oddly still, often the patch updates in the correct location -- i.e. where the registry says the files should be.

      So, you return to Windows Updates, and the C:\Windows\System32 files are still out-of-date (because the update was applied to the correct files), and you are told you need to apply the patch.

      Rinse. Repeat.

      Now, if this is your problem, there is a good chance that you are patched. But, who knows? It sure doesn't give you a warm fuzzy feeling to be told to apply the patch over-and-over again.

      Whenever Windows Update applies a patch, it does generate a log file. You can try to scan the log file to see what it's doing and look for errors. That's how I determined the cause of my problem. My solution was to copy the patched files into the hard-coded directory, even though I never run those copies. A symlink would probably be a better choice...

      (If you've never edited your registry to move files, maybe you've used something like TweakUI? Can cause the same problem, for the same reasons.)

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  33. Microsoft Published Workaround by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Corporations

    Home users

    And make sure IIS dudes applies all former patches!

    1. Re:Microsoft Published Workaround by Stephen+Chadfield · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Let's look at the "Home user" info.

      Step 1: Set Your Browser Security to High

      Yes, this will break a lot of web sites.

      Step 2: Add Safe Web Sites to Trusted Sites

      We know that even popular high-profile web sites are at risk so we cannot add any sites to the trusted zone.

      Step 3: Read E-Mail Messages in Plain Text

      Marvellous.

      Step 4: Block Pop-Up Windows in Your Browser

      Add third party product to correct IE flaws.

      This is the Internet Experience as supplied by Microsoft: web pages with all fancy features turned off and plain text email. Might as well run mutt and lynx on a Unix based OS.

    2. Re:Microsoft Published Workaround by julesh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah. Except that advice just doesn't help here, because it seems that a security-zone busting exploit is being used, which probably won't be stopped by it. To really prevent it, you'd need to set your Local Computer zone to high safety.

  34. I'm so happy by Oestergaard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...that my mother has been running Gentoo on her desktop machine for three weeks now.

    Just yet another "security" problem than I won't have to care about. Ahhhh.

  35. Do your part by arvindn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Help more people switch to mozilla/firefox. Mozilla hacker Blake Ross has started a weekly brainstorming effort for firefox marketing ideas on his weblog. Go thither and chime in. I just did.

  36. I thought ZD were MS shills by samjam · · Score: 3, Funny

    I have thought for years that Ziff-Davis were Microsoft Shills. [I don't mean all MS software is bad, I just mean Ziff-Davis seemed impervious to facts in their reviews]

    If ZDNet is saying to stop using IE things must be bad.

    I have tried to depart from IE 2 or 3 times but failed. As soon as I type this message I make the move for good. Hello Mozilla.

    Sam

    1. Re:I thought ZD were MS shills by sphealey · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I have thought for years that Ziff-Davis were Microsoft Shills.
      The peak years of Z-D shilldom were 1995-2000. Sometime around Y2K, I think they realized that if Microsoft ever achieved 100% market share that there would no longer be a need for a trade press, captive or no. For whatever reason, starting around that time Z-D returned to a much milder form of the actual reporting that its publications used to do from 1985-1995.

      sPh

  37. I believe that this all goes back to... by Dagny+Taggert · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...the uneducated user. Let's face it: the internet has been sold as this great tool and all you need to get on it is a PC and a phone line, cable, or whatever. If you preach the need for basic education, you are some kind of geek (how often have you heard, "I don't want to know all that, I just want to get online!") and if you make even the slightest suggestion that some people just don't belong online due to their own lack of common sense, you are some kind of elitist (try telling people to use the BCC option of their e-mail client instead of CC'ing everyone in their address book and see what kind of reaction you get). As a previous poster said, it is, once again, unpatched systems that are causing the problem. And here's the chorus now, "I didn't know! No one told me! It's not my fault!" And we, of course, will pick up the pieces.

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  38. Re:MSN Search is infected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is nonsense, their search engine will return a zero byte file if the URL ends in .exe instead of a 404 page. I have no idea why.

    Try:
    http://search.msn.com/blah.exe

  39. Re:MSN Search is infected by akadruid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The MSN search engine is infected.
    You can download the trojan from here:
    http://search.msn.com/msits.exe

    There is no file there


    Maybe someone at MSN Search reads slashdot?

    Hello? If you're reading this Mr MSN Search, you might like to check out this cool site.

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  40. Can anyone tell me how to develop for Mozilla then by kahei · · Score: 5, Informative

    I really wish I could switch to Mozilla (ok, Firefox). My co-workers are switching to Firefox. My users are switching to firefox. But I can't, because I have no idea how to implement my pet project as a mozilla-type plugin.

    All it has to do is read in a dictionary file, then catch the 'new page loading' event, perform morphological analysis on the page, and edit the page as it loads to include ruby tags and/or something to display definitions in the toolbar. That's it! It's fairly computationally intensive and sometimes the right html to insert at a given point is a bit of a guessing game, but it's not rocket science. But HOW THE FORK DO I DO IT IN MOZILLA??

    PS Yes I have rtfm and no I cannot implement the analysis algorithm usefully in javascript and yes I do have to insert ruby tags, as well as regular javascript that talks back to the plugin, into the page on the fly.

    Considering the amount of research that seemed necessary to get it working in the minefield of IE, I expected that I would be quite capable of figuring it out in mozilla, but it just seems to be an order of magnitude harder.

    I would be grateful for advice (eg a pointer to a similar project). Or failing that, remarks on the lines of 'if u cant use mozilla u r lame u lame wind0z3 lu20r hehe l8trz' would also be fine.

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  41. Re:MSN Search is infected by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A Google search for 'msits.exe' turns up a tonne of links, including several mentioning 'http://www.008k.com//f//22776/msits.exe'.

    There's what looks like a valid 6.5kB EXE there - might this be a copy? For forensic purposes only, mind. :-)

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  42. I had been infected. by ITman75 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I was infected by stratics.com They use a third party pop up ad services and one of the ads is what installed the malware. It installed Lycos and STI on my machine, plus other junk.

    It ended up embedding itself everywhere in my registry. After an hour of deleting all registry entries and even uninstalling IE6 and then reinstalling it, My search section of IE was still Lycos and banner ads would show up in it.

    The only option i had left was to format and reinstall micosux windcrap.

    1. Re:I had been infected. by nytmare · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yep you don't necessarily need to hack web servers, you can just run your exploit off a banner ad for wide, varied exposure. Pay for it with a stolen credit card. Online ad pushing companies obviously aren't sticklers for ethical ad content, just look at all the dialog-box mimicking ad designs and scams advertised.

  43. What would be funny... by N3koFever · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...is if they infect the Windows Update servers. You go there to fix the vulnerabilities in IE and *BAM* you're infected with the same vulnerabilities you're trying to fix.

  44. Force their hand by Gzip+Christ · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Hey, somebody should code up a PHP script (or PERL, etc) that lets you type in a URL and it then inspects the given server to let you know if it is potentially infected with this exploit. Since they won't release a list of servers, there would be no choice but to list all servers running vulnerable versions of IIS as potentially infected. Then spread the word. If the vulnerability checker gets a high enough profile then this will serve as a strong incentive for companies to switch from IIS because they will otherwise be flagged as potentially insecure.

    Another thought - if any bank or institution that you use is running IIS, write them and ask them to certify that they are not infected. Let them know that if they do not guarantee that their servers are not compromised by this exploit, you will be transferring your account to an institution which uses servers that don't have such an abysmal security record.

  45. The exploit installs fun stuff by Jarnis · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/padodorw.shtml

    Seems like a nice keylogger. It also installs another trojan. Virus vendors seem to be getting on the ball. Also the site which distributes the payload is currently dying under the load. The virus is apparently bit too succesful for it's own good.

  46. What about this? by GrumpyDeveloper · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's apparently a newly discovered exploit in IE that can compromise an IE user's machine THROUGH AN IMAGE ON A WEB PAGE.

    So any server that allows posting of graphics (eBay, many discussion forums, etc) can be "infected". Even those running Linux. The only solution is to stop using IE and pray that Firefox, Mozilla, Opera, etc. exploits are few and far between. Article on graphics exploit here.

    1. Re:What about this? by julesh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hmmm... it seems the exploit is limited to denial of service, which isn't exactly serious. Essentially, windows appears to trust the calculated image size, and attempts to allocate a huge amount of memory.

  47. Let's see Microsoft astroturf this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First off, I note that this uses vulnerabilities in two of my most favorite pieces of software; IIS and IE. Two of the most security-hole laden software that Microsoft has ever released. Is anyone here really surprised?

    Secondly, this puts the lie to the most common Microsoft trolls here every time a new virus/trojan outbreak occurs:
    1. Viruses are spread by clueless lusers that click on e-mail attachments. No luser inteeraction seems to be needed here, just browse on by your favorite corporate web-site!
    2. If everyone kept their systems patched, there would be no way that viruses like this could spread. Microsoft has known about the IE vulnerabilties used in this case for months now and still hasn't released a patch! To be fair, the article also says that Researchers believe that attackers [may] seed the Web sites with malicious code by breaking into unsecured servers, so an IIS vulnerability that has previously been patched might be part of the problem here, but that still leaves no excuse for the unpatched IE vulnerabilty!
    3. Virus writers always use disclosed patch descriptions to determine how to write new viruses; none of them are capable of finding and exploiting vulnerabilties on their own. Note that the article says this may be spread by using a previously unknown vulnerability in Microsoft's Web software, Internet Information Server (IIS).
    4. Up-to-date anti-virus software is sufficient to stop these exploits. The article says: the malicious program uploaded to a victim's computer is not currently detected as a virus by most antivirus software.

    Nothing else needs to be said.

  48. The Google Toolbar & Such by afriguru · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can't operate without the google toolbar, which has no complete mozilla equivalent. There are many sites which people can't do without which use Internet Explorer. Many tools that work only with the browser. Apart from that, Firefox is the ideal browser at the moment.

    1. Re:The Google Toolbar & Such by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Google Toolbar:
      http://googlebar.mozdev.org/

      And please name a few sites that only work with IE.

    2. Re:The Google Toolbar & Such by arabagast · · Score: 2, Informative

      ehrm,, The google toolbar, for one, does work in mozilla/firefox.

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    3. Re:The Google Toolbar & Such by C_Kode · · Score: 2, Informative
      Apart from that, Firefox is the ideal browser at the moment.

      I like Firefox but I have to disagree. I spend alot of time implementing technologies I've never worked with before so I spend alot of time scouring the web for information. I find the Opera broswer superior in this case. Here are the reason I prefer Opera.

      • Having Find In Page on the tool bar. (Yes, you can hotkey is from other broswers I know)
      • Google on the tool bar (Yes I know Firebird has it)
      • The ability to layout all the tool bars just as I like them. (tabs at the bottom!)
      • z-axis of tabs are maintained based on the last time the user used each tab. If I have 5 tabs open while working and I'm working with the 3rd and 5th tab and I close the 3rd tab I like the 5th tab to be showing, not the one adjacent to the tab just closed.
      • The print preview button. It helps print webpages that print like... You know what I'm getting at ;)
      • The New button on the toolbar to open new tabs
      • Many more options dealing with popups.
      • Mouse gestures
      • The ability to disable pictures at the click of the mouse
      • Quick access to most major broswing options but just hitting F12
      • Full screen mode by hitting F11
      • The ability to change the rendering size of any webpage by a drop down box on the toolbar (I hate when people override the users default rendering settings, just is a MAJOR plus to Opera)
      • It's extremely fast and light wieght


      The bad?

      • The horrible default look, but that can be changed to any theme you want or even a custom theme.
      • The advertizing on the toolbar. I don't use a dialup so it really doesn't bother me. At 1280x1024 it's relatively small and unobtrusive.
      • While it renders *most* websites there are a few that it doesn't render so well. I keep Firefox on had for those. I also have IE as a thrid broswer for a few sites also because a few sites (mostly streaming radio stations) are IE only.


        • Other than that I love the broswer.

          For those that have never tried it I would recommend trying it. The Windows version is more polished than any other version that I've seen, but I still my prefered broswer on Linux also.
  49. RTFA "To prevent further abuse" by Raindeer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ok, the article states: To prevent further abuse, the list is not published. The exploit is server side, not client side according to reports. Admins of the servers must have been warned and hopefully have cleaned the server already by now. So the public at large is not under threat from their high-profile site. Then not publishing the list is logical under the following reasoning.

    What if it is a Zero day exploit on IIS. There is no fix yet. Admins are struggling to clean the servers, but have no clue if what they did to prevent whatever is going on, actually works. Criminals all over the world will be searching for clues on what the exploit is and will want to actively exploit it as well. We don't know what is going on, so it might be possible to put a nice little rootkit undetectible on the server and later use it for interesting purposes. By not naming the sites they are putting an extra, albeit thin, layer of protection around the sites. The list of websites for criminals to target, will be much longer than it could have been if each and every site that was affected would be named on the internet. Most sites are (hopefully) clean right now, so the public is not at risk, but until we know what goes on, the server sure is.

  50. Unplugging infected servers to avoid virus by ospirata · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Yesterday this note at Slashdot sais Microsoft was willing to unpllug servers that are used as SPAM mailers.

    I wonder if they would agree to do the same with those infected servers, spreading IE virus.

    Not to mention that most of those servers shall be Windows NT and 2000

  51. How to tell and Fixes by arrogance · · Score: 4, Informative
    According to M$, if you've applied the update, then you're OK.

    The Internet Storm Centre has good information about what will be on your box if you're already infected.
    One reader (thanks, Ben!) submitted a list of files found on his compromised IIS server. The files he sent us included: Code snippits.doc iis6xx.dll (multiple copies, where xx varies) iis7yy.dll (multiple copies, where yy varies) Download_Ject_Symantec.doc ipaddress.txt issue.csv ads.vbs agent.exe ftpcmd.txt security_log.rtf
    I think they're in \winnt\system32\inetsrv

    Sorry about the duped links but more fixes, less FUD please. Yes, evil empire blah blah blah, but how about we tell people how to fix the problem instead?
  52. Re:Education by bludstone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You got it. Feel free to distribute this email widely. Use it as much as you want. You dont even have to give me credit.

    --

    Okay, here we go.

    First, you need to download a decent web browser. The #1 cause of all that spyware is Internet Explorer allowing websites to automatically install things. (its from all that porn browsing you do.)

    Try firefox. Its only 5 megs to download, and its the most simplistic web browser available. You will get no popups. Its very popular, even among non-computer-obsessed folk. My mom uses it.

    http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/r el eases/0.9/FirefoxSetup-0.9.exe

    Now, I assume you are getting wacky popups and stuff, even when not webbrowsing.

    You need to install some spyware killers.

    I reccomend Spybot and adaware. These two are will rip through your pc, killing spyware dead. Blam. It may kill some software you like, but its for the better. There will be something out there that can replace anything you have to get rid of. Oh no, no more gator cursors. Whatever. Deal with it, or dont get online ever again.

    http://www.safer-networking.org/index.php?page=m ir rors - for spybot. VERY high traffic here, so be warned.
    http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adawa re/ for adaware.

    If those sites arnt working, you can always try "spybot download" and "adaware download" in google.

    Then, on top of THOSE. (I know, I know) You need to run a virus scan proggy. Try AVG, its free and better then McAffe
    http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php

    and last, but almost definitely not least, Windows Update.

    Open up IE (you have to use IE for this) and go to www.windowsupdate.com Have MS scan your computer and install all the security stuff. Then reboot. This may take a long, long time, but it is the most crucial step.

    comprehensive enough? :)

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    no .sig
  53. Re:MSN Search is infected by Divlje+Jagode · · Score: 5, Informative
    If that post is related (msits.exe) then you have real shit going on when you get highjacked:
    This popped up six windows which installed both the default-homepage-network hijacker and also some nasty stuff [...]

    This crashed Windows Media Player and then it was overwritten with a small windows executable (I have it if you want it) - this was called wmplayer.exe and was in the Windows Media Player folder. The real Windows Media Player had been deleted. [...]

    The next time a WMP media file was accessed the new wmplayer.exe file ran and installed lots of adware, junkware, spyware etc, etc. [...]

    Now, I use K-meleon and privoxy for 99% of my browsing and only switch to IE when I can't do otherwise.

    AVG free edition sygate personal firewall and Spybot seach and destroy (site down) will complete your collection nicely. Might want to have a look at Hijack this and this tutorial as well.

    Yes, this is a lot of work for the price of keeping windows running. Some people don't have a choice... Me, as soon as my favourite IDE gets ported to Linux, I'll swap ;-)

    Seriously though, if there are any other tools you guys use to try and keep windows secure, please share.

  54. Partly... by AzrealAO · · Score: 2, Informative

    It does say a patched PC is safe, but you need Windows XP Service Pack 2 RC2 in order to be safe.

    However, it does say that Windows 2000 Servers with IIS 5.0 without an already released patched are the infecting machines.

    Reports indicate that Web servers running Windows 2000 Server and IIS that have not applied update 835732, which was addressed by Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-011, are possibly being compromised and being used to attempt to infect users of Internet Explorer with malicious code.

  55. 0-day? by maximilln · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can't help but chuckle every time these come out because all I hear in my head is the line,"All viruses are created after the exploit has been announced."

    Keep those 0-day exploits coming, boys.

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  56. IE was a great friend... by tobechar · · Score: 4, Funny

    as I quiety tap the nails of the coffin.

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  57. Importing Favorites. by SpinyManiac · · Score: 4, Informative

    Importing Favorites is easy.

    Either let it import them during installation (it will prompt you), or go to the File menu and click on Import...

    I'll assume you're having just a bad day. ;)

    My problem is finding "Compose ONLY in plain text" in Thunderbird. If it's there, I can't find it.

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    1. Re:Importing Favorites. by Skweetis · · Score: 3, Informative
      My problem is finding "Compose ONLY in plain text" in Thunderbird. If it's there, I can't find it.

      It's not too obvious or intuitive. Go to Tools->Account Settings->[Your Account]->Composition and Addressing and de-select "Compose Messages in HTML Format" (This is for Thunderbird 0.7). I don't know why they put it here and not with the rest of the Compose options under Tools->Options. Oh, well.

    2. Re:Importing Favorites. by Manitcor · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Quoting the Parent:

      no ability to use the IE method of storing bookmarks and retain compatibility with other parts of the OS that show my bookmarks. Hell, if you want people to migrate, make it easy for their bookmarks!

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      I think this is the big issue here, IE is tied to the OS in many ways and bookmarks are one of them. Its not as easy as simply importing. The replacement browser should provide the neccassary hooks so that the OS can get at the bookmark list and use it as neccassary.

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    3. Re:Importing Favorites. by Yer+Mom · · Score: 2, Informative
      My problem is finding "Compose ONLY in plain text" in Thunderbird. If it's there, I can't find it.

      It's under "Composition and Addressing" on the account settings. You don't get asked whether you want it on or not when setting up the account, either - you have to go in after setting it up and tweak it there.

      Bad Thunderbird. No biscuit!

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      Never mind Spamassassin. When's Spammerassassin coming out?
  58. Anyone else find this troublesome? by some_random_person · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They wont mention the names of the sites in the article to prevent further abuse of the exploit or some such, but what are we to do to avoid the exploit if we don't know which sites are infected already?

    What good is publicly acknowledging that there are some major sites that are infected if they wont tell us which? Are they worried about the large sites' reputations? What about all the users that are going to be infected because they weren't made aware of which sites to avoid with IE?

    I'm on a company system and don't have priveleges to install Firefox, and I doubt I'm the only one.

  59. Re:Little things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Honestly, I've not really made the switch myself. The main reason is actually kind of petty, hotkeys. I've become very used to things like shift-clicking a link to bring up extra pages or hitting ctrl-enter after typing in a word to add the http://www. and .com to it. I've been working with IE for long enough that it's second nature to use those keys. Yes, I'm sure that other browsers have ways to do these things, but one gets used to not having to think browsing the web, so learning new keys feels like a fair burden.

    I wont comment on your other problems with switching. But you could at least try these things with FireFox. As it turns out both of those hotkeys do exactly the same thing as IE under FireFox. Just tried it with 0.9.

  60. tough love by zogger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    this is just generic, I don't know your familuy situation exactly, but for what it's worth,the advice is to stop fixing their computers and let them drag the boxes to the shop and pay for it to be cleaned. I'd say in a business situation the same thing if that apploies to anyone else. The concept is stolen from the way the experts advise to deal with a family member who is an addict to booze or drugs, called "tough love". Right now you are acting like an "enabler" by fixing it when it gets hosed, leaving them with the impression that "it's not that bad", when it really IS that bad, they can't see or admit to the elephant in the living room, so just stop being an enabler.

  61. Re:Wait, you mean this ISN'T a vulnerability in IE by Jarnis · · Score: 2, Informative

    Non-IE users *ARE* safe. The redirect might work, but that's irrelevant since the payload in the (now-offline, totally overloaded server) does not load up unless you are using IE. It actually served multiple payloads, and one of those abused yet-unpatched IE hole.

    So mozilla etc are still safe.

  62. The best "Fire-" name? by LondonLawyer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Surely it has got to be:

    "FireBillGates"

  63. Re: "Experts" by Azghoul · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1. His wife might not understand computers, so he has to explain it simply.
    2. His wife might use IE, and since HE'S AT WORK, he can't go home to switch it for her.
    3. He probably doesn't have time to walk her through it, because she's clueless.
    4. He probably knows his bank is running on Apache and is therefore immune to this attack.

  64. Old news by swm · · Score: 3, Informative
    In the the 2001 May Cryptogram, Bruce Schneier writes
    I am regularly asked what the average Internet user can do to ensure his security...
    6. Browsing. ... If at all possible, don't use Microsoft Internet Explorer.
    11. General. ... If possible, don't use Microsoft Windows.
  65. Mozilla switch starting? by bigberk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Looking at the stats on my web site, which receives over 1000 unique visitors/day on average (and almost all of them are Windows users because I distribute Windows software)... here are this year's proportions:

    Jan: IE 73%, Mozilla 12%
    Feb: IE 76%, Mozilla 15%
    Mar: IE 75%, Mozilla 16%
    Apr: IE 75%, Mozilla 16%
    May: IE 71%, Mozilla 19%
    Jun: IE 71%, Mozilla 20%

    And for some historical reference, in July of 2003 I saw: IE 78%, Mozilla 11%.

  66. Why alternative browsers may not be possible by ManyLostPackets · · Score: 5, Informative

    I work at a bank. A lot of the applications used internally are web apps that require IE... Mozilla/Opera aren't an option because those apps require MSJVM (Microsoft Virtual Machine - no joke), Active X or other proprietary MS technology.

    I'm not talking simple forms here, this for Foreign Exchange transactions.

    Certificates, multiple passwords, encryption...all moot

    1. Re:Why alternative browsers may not be possible by Glock27 · · Score: 4, Informative
      I work at a bank. A lot of the applications used internally are web apps that require IE... Mozilla/Opera aren't an option because those apps require MSJVM (Microsoft Virtual Machine - no joke), Active X or other proprietary MS technology.

      Sounds like your IT director has done a horrible job and should be fired.

      You would have been much better off implementing that stuff in a browser agnostic, standards compliant way, using Java for any heavy lifting required.

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    2. Re:Why alternative browsers may not be possible by fermion · · Score: 2, Interesting
      IE is an application front end. It allows a gui to be tacked on backend applications much more cheaply than traditional methods. It also allows cross platform compatibility(meaning that each version of MS Windows is an incompatable system).

      For internal apps, this model makes alot of sense. The organazation has control of the computers and can insure consistent configuration, training, and security. The users can be monitored and likewise the users can trust the content. Therefore there is no issue with the server taking control of the client machine.

      The problem is that web designers tend to assume that everyone on the internet should trust them, and everyone who uses IE tends to believe they can trust all web designers. Generic web pages are designed using features, and often frivoulous features at that, that require the server to control the host computer is scary ways.

      I think MS realizes the problem and used security zones to try to provide a method by which IE can switch between a web browser and application front end. The problem is that like many failed security measures, it became too incovinent. Almost all internet sites should be marked as untrusted as placed in the lowest zone, but because so many sites are written badly, user tend to be forced to trust them or not get anything done.

      A good example of this is the local school district, which standardized on IE and uses IE features extensively. Within the schools there is little problems. The district does a good job at protecting and training internal users. The problem is that the internet pages, including the home page, only works well on IE. In this way the district is forcing students and parents to use a browser that is verifiable unsafe. Internally they have a need to use IE. Externally, there is little reason for them to ignore standard best practice.

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  67. Re:Little things by npistentis · · Score: 3, Informative

    ctrl+enter works in firefox. install mouse gestures, and you'll have 10x more functionality than you had with hotkeys. need a new page? middle-click! you can keep IE around for the occasional game, but believe me when i tell you that its worth it to switch.

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  68. The only reason I still have IE is... by Kevin108 · · Score: 2, Informative

    To pay my cable bill online. They don't have the site setup to correctly identify Mozilla. It thinks it's an old version of Netscape. Haven't tried it with Firefox yet, come to think of it... I don't use Composer or Mail and News, so I could definitely make the switch from Mozilla 1.7 to Firefox.

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    A perfect time to watch the stars.
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  69. Re:Little things by chromaphobic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IE works.

    Well, the fact that you can become infected with a trojan simply by VISITING a web site, with no user interaction at all required, tells me than NO, IE does NOT work.

    But that's just a reflection of my personal criteria for whether or not something works.

  70. How to configure Internet Explorer by yeremein · · Score: 2, Informative
    1. First, install an alternate browser.

    2. Go to Control Panel | Internet Options | Advanced | Multimedia, and uncheck "Show pictures". (FDA warning: I have not verified that this setting prevents this image exploit from infecting your system, since I don't know of any infected servers. But it will at least force you to use the alternate browser we installed in Step 1.)

    3. Switch to the Security tab, and move Internet into "high". This will disable most forms of scripting. However, It also disables the Windows Update site. You can add windowsupdate.microsoft.com to a list of trusted sites (it will give you the instructions when you try to visit it in this mode), but I'd be very careful with that, since I do not doubt that the Windows Update site is very high on the crackers' lists of sites to infect. (Wouldn't that be ironic?)

    FWIW, I don't know whether setting Internet zone security to "High" disables the automatic Windows update feature or not. I'll tell you as soon as there's a critical update to be notified of.

  71. NetSec's Houlahan advocated drastic action: by jonasmit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "I told my wife, unless it is absolutely necessary and unless you are going to a site like our banking site, stay off the Internet right now," he said.
    Uh, use a different browser...remind me to never buy anything NetSec says (whoever they are)or sells henceforth.

  72. Re:Can anyone tell me how to develop for Mozilla t by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 4, Informative
    I don't know how to do it as the page loads but for performance you probably want to edit the page after it's loaded, so at least the user can see the images etc.

    Basically: create an XPCOM component in C++ (if JavaScript or Python are too slow for you) which performs the computation. Mark your XPCOM interface as scriptable, use the typelib compiler to expose it to javascript then pass in the browser DOM so it can be edited by your component. Then write an extension to catch "page loaded" and pass the DOM to the loaded XPCOM component. I think that should work.

  73. Do NOT use Internet Explorer... by sufehmi · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...if you want to be able to browse safely on the Internet.

    That's the advice I give to my friends after I saw this page:
    http://web.archive.org/web/20030603192725/http://w ww.pivx.com/larholm/unpatched/

    (too bad that page now no longer host that information :(

    There are more holes in IE than a piece of Swiss cheese, and Microsoft doesn't seem to be concerned if that will cause you to be accused of collecting child porn.

    Full details of securing a WIndows workstation can be read here. HTH.

  74. Google provides a nice list of sites by mrkitty · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.google.com/search?q=%22217.107.218.147% 22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&start=20&sa=N&filter =0 Personally I'd rather know the list so I don't get infected, but then again I use netscape so....

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  75. Re:Can anyone tell me how to develop for Mozilla t by Tyndareos · · Score: 4, Informative

    Maybe it's not as you want is, but a similar plugin already exist: http://moji.mozdev.org/

    Studying this source might be useful for your own project.

  76. what is it missing? (Re:The Google Toolbar & S by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 4, Informative

    I can't operate without the google toolbar, which has no complete mozilla equivalent.

    Um, what exactly is the mozilla google toolbar (http://googlebar.mozdev.org/) missing that you can't do without?

    Remember, it doesn't need popup blocking (Mozilla does that itself).

  77. Mozilla/Firefox issues by Glock27 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    OK, I've read plenty of "just use Mozilla" posts and backpatting here, but IMO we should be thinking about Mozilla/Firefox security as well.

    True this particular exploit didn't affect Mozilla/Firefox, but it is certainly possible that something similar might in the future.

    So, with that in mind, what new security features would help make Mozilla/Firefox even safer and better?

    These come to my mind:

    • A trusted site list to which I can easily add the current site, and indicate whether it can load images, run scripts and/or download applets.
    • An option that will pop up a dialog asking for permission if an untrusted site tries to do any of the above.
    • Some type of "zone" concept similar to IEs so that internal (company) sites can have more privileges than external sites.
    • Capability of central administration and control (in a business setting) so that users can easily be protected from themselves in a business or large network environment.
    Thoughts? Can some or all of this be easily implemented as Firefox extensions?

    If Mozilla/Firefox is clearly a better, more secure solution, it will gain marketshare rapidly.

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  78. Re:Can anyone tell me how to develop for Mozilla t by jrumney · · Score: 2, Interesting
  79. How ironic.... by SwedishChef · · Score: 2, Funny

    that the page for reading the responses included a large banner ad for Microsoft that claimed they take your security seriously and saying, "visit microsoft.com/it/security/IT today.

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  80. You know ... by joel_archer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Microsoft just isn't ready for the Enterprise. Perhaps in a few years. Plus there all those nasty rumours about stealing the TCP/IP stack from BSD.

  81. The solution to every web problem in Windows by allio · · Score: 5, Informative
    Layers of protection.

    Base: An up to date host file. This can probably block 95% of web nasties, regardless of source, yet is overlooked by most people.
    Second: Proxomitron. The second browser-independent tool, it's a relatively little-known local proxy that filters the crap (including more ads than virtually every other solution) from a webpage before feeding it to your browser. Also handily removes most of the ActiveX and Javascript that causes these exploits. I simply cannot recommend it enough. In addition, it's fully configurable, and there are plenty of people out there who will write custom filters to get rid of any sort of ad that slips through.
    Third: Firefox. I hesitate to suggest Opera because I don't feel it's as high a quality a product, and is closed-source, meaning it could be almost as susceptible to this stuff as Internet Explorer, should the bad guys aim their sights on it.
    Fourth: In-browser plugins such as Adblock, which probably won't do much to stop this particular problem, but are nice to have around regardless.

  82. I can think of one way to boost security by zogger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Better and more widespread use of https, and have a way so that pages must be validated quickly and automatically, perhaps even with a md5 checksum type arrangement as a backup, before they can be downloaded and displayed.

    That and just a complete rethink of OS and browsers and "the internet". For another example for another problem, I'd like to see a totally non-commercial email system, no commercial email used in it whatsoever, and your email addy was treated as importantly as your physical address at your home, or like your telco number. You'd have an option, email like it is now, or be inside a commercial free and registered email system that cost folding money per year per email addy and refused any email into it from outside, or any emailto leave the system. A large but closed system where every email addy was tied to a real human being with a real name with a real IP for verification. You could still try to use the wild wild west anarchy chaos email system we have now, but also opt in to the closed, verified and much more secure and hassle free email system.

    Same thing with the net, anarchy and chaos with hacks, attacks and bogusness, or only visit sites that are verified and secure and conformed to some decent standards that have those issues as of paramount importance, as opposed to blinkenlights eye candy insecure.

    I tell you, I just detest that I even have to run javascript to view some pages, I usually skip them. I'm not running an active x machine, but I feel the same way about that too, it's useful, but so easily used for bogusness that it's rapidly lost any universal advantage, IMO.

    As to moz and firefox, I don'tknow on firefox but I don't see a way to disallow small invisible webbugs on moz. That would help. Maybe it's there and I just don't see it though,could just be me I admit, all I see is deny by domain. I want deny for a variety of reasons, size and visibility being a big one. Or conversely, just the ability to chose a single image to view, select it, the page doesn't jump away to refresh the whole deal just that particular image loads. And no downloading images in general but failing to display, I mean it can see an object and only allow it to be downloaded on a case by case basis if you choose that option. Nowadays when you click on an URL you have no idea what you will be downloading unless you view source in advance, which is nuts.

  83. No Patches for CWS either... by Chordonblue · · Score: 2, Informative

    Cool Web Search is also a trojan gained from various web sites that exploits problems with ActiveX and MS JVM. It's a total pain in the ass to remove, or even discover what version of it you have since neither Spybot nor Adaware clears all versions off.

    Remember: All a user has to do is surf to one of these scumbag sites (by accident or on purpose) with their freshly, fully patched IE and... BOOM!

    "Did you know that your computer may be infected with SPYWARE?!" - Actual quote from these scumbags.

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  84. To be fair, fix is not that complicated by fnurb · · Score: 2, Informative

    Right on the "What you should know" page, prominently indicated, is says:

    "Important: Customers who have deployed Windows XP Service Pack 2 RC2 are not at risk."

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    1. Re:To be fair, fix is not that complicated by frozenray · · Score: 2, Informative
      Some fix. Quoting from Microsoft's SP2 page:
      This technical preview is unsupported and is intended for testing purposes only. Do not use in production environments.
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  85. story by zogger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    long time ago I used to help people fix their cars for free when I had some spare time. One lady I did a complete 4 wheel brake job for. Couple weeks later she comes back to me mad as a wet hen because her engine didn't run well, it had developed a carb problem and it was "all my fault because it ran fine before I worked on it". It didn't matter to her that the brakes got zero to do with it, it was still my fault to her way of thinking.

    I do NOT fix peoples cars now, or even offer advice beyond telling them (anyone, this is true facts now) to just buy older cars without ridiculous computer crap on them and just replace the engine or transmission or whatever when it gets completely worn out. Much cheaper and better for them and less hassle for me.

  86. Re:MSN Search is infected by Virtex · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Their web server is probably running the executable and returning its output. If there's no output, you would get back a 0 byte file. If the file in question is a virus, this could be interesting.

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  87. Mozilla Backup! by WD · · Score: 4, Informative

    Mozilla Backup is what you need. It can be used to easily transfer a profile from one machine to another. (Supports Firefox, Thunderbird, and Mozilla)

  88. Okay by Czernobog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This news has now made front page at news.bbc.co.uk under the heading "People urged to avoid Internet Explorer until Microsoft fixes a serious security hole."

    LISTEN UP Mozilla/Firefox/Opera people. Get your marketing divisions off their asses. You will most likely NEVER EVER get another chance like this. If you don't do something now, before MS responds, you deserve to to stay marginalised to the end of time.

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    /. Where the truth
  89. Re:Little things by jazman_777 · · Score: 2
    Honestly, I've not really made the switch myself. The main reason is actually kind of petty... mainly it's laziness. IE works.

    You could have said it in a more straightforward way: "I'm a lazy careless IE-lovin' doofuss" works.

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  90. Re:Here's a few by Smthng · · Score: 2, Informative

    What are you doing?

    In this post you say that the last one of yr links given above is infected. Now you give it as a regular link without any warning of infection ?

  91. Re:Little things by Scaba · · Score: 2, Informative
    I've become very used to things like shift-clicking a link to bring up extra pages or hitting ctrl-enter after typing in a word to add the http://www. and .com to it.

    In Firefox, not only does Ctrl + Enter add the 'www' and 'com', but Shift + Enter adds 'www' and 'net' and Ctrl + Shift + Enter adds 'www' and 'org'. You really should give it a try.

  92. Okay, just this once: by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 4, Informative

    regedit.exe
    Open HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\http\shell\open
    Remove the "ddeexec" subkey (subfolder).
    Go into the "command" subkey (subfolder).

    Change the (Default) string to this value:

    "C:\path\to\mozilla.exe" -nosplash -url "%1"

    Make sure to use the full path to mozilla or firefox. Also, keep the quotes.

    To test, go to the run menu and type in an http:// URL. It should pop up a new mozilla window to the webpage.

    Do the same thing for HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\https and HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\ftp to get the HTTPS and FTP protocol handlers as well.

    Mail (mailto: links) is a little trickier. Use this guide for assistance.

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    1. Re:Okay, just this once: by dylan_- · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's this ease of use that has made Windows the most popular operating system on the planet...

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  93. Re:Funny... by ninthwave · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Considering that SANS says that have reports from admins who have been attacked that the systems are fully patched, would make me think that this advice is a bit unfounded in this situation.

    Maybe it should be Microsoft please write patches for known exploits in less than two months. Since these IE exploits have been out since April and the IIS problem is now a known unknown exploit.

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  94. Protect the Corporations from Further Abuse by allgood2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    >>"We won't list the sites that are reported to be infected in order to prevent further abuse, but the list is long and includes businesses that we presume would normally be keeping their sites fully patched," the group stated on its Web site.

    That's great an all, but what about protecting the users, which can mount to millions of IE users being infected, because they aren't willing to say..."This week don't visit: eBay, Bank of America, etc., etc."

    I'd say its more important to protect the uninformed masses of millions of IE users that they need to not visit 25-50 websites for a week, or switch web browsers, then it is to protect those 25-50 websites.

  95. Monopolies create their own competition by Gary+Destruction · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Monopolies, since they have no competition, drag their feet. They chug along at their own pace. But when they start having serious problems with their products, it's already too late. They have a cumbersome task of fixing them. The end result is customers seeking an alternative. Monopolies literally create their own competition due to negligence and lack of motivation. This holds true for Microsoft.

  96. Re:One major issue with Mozilla..... by gujo-odori · · Score: 2, Insightful

    NFS mount the user's home directory on a server with hardware RAID, hot-swappable drives, and regular backups and you won't have to worry about moving the profile or anything else.

    Seriously, that's the best way to keep all the data safe and backed-up. Indeed, if you can afford a GigE LAN (not all that expensive anymore, but if not, a Fast Ethernet LAN will do well enough), you can run thin clients and run everything off the server, like they do in Largo, Florida. If you're not an all-*nix shop, that must be possible with Windows, too.

    While some people might squawk a bit, in truth, most users do not need a full-fledged PC on their desk as work. All the apps they need (or that you want them to have, at least) should be provided by and controlled by the IT department. It's the only way to keep your network safe. Developers might need a full-blown PC, but stick them off on a LAN segment firewalled off from the rest of the PCs, because just being a programmer doesn't mean you won't soon have your machine burdened with 400 pounds of malware and sporting all the latest viruses, too. I think we've all seen programmers who can write code but don't actually know squat about computers or how to keep them secure.

    So hand a thin client to everyone you can. They'll get used to it, and you'll save a bunch of money.

    You can build one, or if you want to see a nice turn-key system, take a look at a Sun Ray. Sun employees have a card that they stick in the reader on the Sun Ray (and a userid and password I would suppose, or the person with your card 0wnz0rs joo) and their /home is mounted on whatever workstation they happen to be using. It's pretty cool. Pretty close to zero need to carry a notebook around at Sun, I bet.