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NSLU2 Now More Useful

NSLUG writes "The WRT54G's not the only hackable kid on the block. Linksys has a new device out. The NSLU2 is a tiny network storage device running Linux and it's been hacked to add SSH, NFS, an iTunes server, etc. Tom's Hardware is running a series of articles on how to hack the NSLU2. The first article is here and the second is here. Check out this page for details on getting into the box."

345 comments

  1. Yes, but does it run... by BubbaThePirate · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...linux? Sorry :/

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    1. Re:Yes, but does it run... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it was meant as a joke.

    2. Re:Yes, but does it run... by BarryNorton · · Score: 1

      Whereas I was being entirely serious and outing him!

    3. Re:Yes, but does it run... by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      Ironic question, given that they seem to have forgotten once again to mention Linux on their related web pages and owners manual yet again...

  2. ah that wonderful kernel by Stevyn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is another example of why linux is so damn cool. That little kernel can go anywhere.

    1. Re:ah that wonderful kernel by Vo0k · · Score: 3, Funny

      Unfortunately not always.
      Anybody up to...?

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    2. Re:ah that wonderful kernel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      +3 Interesting?

      Moderators: He did not SAY anything. "Wow, that's cool! It's linux!" is not interesting.

      How about using those mod points on posts by people actually giving new information or writing intelligent posts?

    3. Re:ah that wonderful kernel by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Whereas Windows is stuck in '50s-style mainframes? You did read about the UAV powered by windows, right? Or even Windows XP Embedded? Obviously not. Linux isn't the only kernel that can be embedded. Why do people think that? :)

    4. Re:ah that wonderful kernel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because they realize that embedded and VERSATILE are two distinct things.

      you CAN put xp embedded on a lot of things, but not nearly as many devices as you can linux.

      ie right off the bat, the architectures are limited with xp

    5. Re:ah that wonderful kernel by HaloZero · · Score: 1

      Maybe because it's the only kernel worth your time to use on an embedded application? :-) (*zing!*)

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    6. Re:ah that wonderful kernel by dave420 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      And right off the bat, driver support is incredibly limited on linux, so it can't be used with as many different pieces of hardware. It swings both ways, you know.

    7. Re:ah that wonderful kernel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and yet for some reason, it hasnt been a problem in the embedded arena.

      driver support? we are not talking about the latest video card to play whatever FPS is hot right now.

      second of all, embedded devices often times utilize custom hardware, so guess what driver support is limited on windows too.

    8. Re:ah that wonderful kernel by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Windows NT scales neither up nor down as well as Linux does. It is really only suited to systems with between one and four processors, for example, and no current version of windows (including embedded versions, but besides WinCE which is a different operating system anyway) can handling running in less than about 32MB well. While you may end up with an older version of the linux kernel, you can still get older kernels with up to date security patches which will run on minuscule systems, say 4MB ram, no MMU, et cetera.

      Windows can go many places, but not nearly as many as Linux.

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    9. Re:ah that wonderful kernel by 0racle · · Score: 1

      Mainly only because MS hasn't spent the time porting it, not because of any intrinsic incompatibilities. Windows is also probably in a lot more places then you think, for instance, it runs at least one model of HP SAN appliance.

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    10. Re:ah that wonderful kernel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've used Solaris SANs, Linux SANs, SAN appliances with Windows NT kernels (EMC Clarion), and a variety of SAN appliances with proprietary operating systems. The only one which ever died and then proceeded to stramble all of the volumes connected to it (so badly that we had to perform a tape restore) was the EMC Clarion. We had A LOT of problems over a two year period with the Clarion before it scrambled our data. All of the problems were traced down to kernel problems. Supposedly, EMC's new Clarion runs Windows XP and is supposed to be "more" robust, but I will never trust a Windows-based file server again.

  3. Linux embedded integrators are lazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It shouldn't be this easy to let hackers break into the system, and there really shouldn't be enough tools in the OS to allow more functionality than the designers spec'd out for the device.

    Linux is a great thing, on the desktop. But in embedded systems, the kernel is too tangled to successfully create a small distribution that is at the same time useful and feature-limited.

    This is where operating systems designed from the ground up with modularity in mind fit the bill. QNX, iTron, and VxWorks all get around this hacking problem by not providing the tools for hackers to change the system.

    1. Re:Linux embedded integrators are lazy by julesh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It shouldn't be this easy to let hackers break into the system

      Why would you want to prevent them? It drives sales of your products.

      the kernel is too tangled to successfully create a small distribution that is at the same time useful and feature-limited.

      I don't agree. It is perfectly possible to do this, and know several people who _have_ done it. The issue is, it isn't worth the effort. It would take several weeks of developer time to determine exactly what is needed and what isn't, whereas there's actually no problem with including unnecessary features. So that's what happens.

      Don't get me wrong, I think QNX et al are very cool systems, and there are many situations where they are more applicable than Linux. But I don't see anything wrong with Linux here.

    2. Re:Linux embedded integrators are lazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is problematic from a security point of view. Most users do not want to hack their own devices. To them the possibility just means that malicious hackers have a way into their box.

    3. Re:Linux embedded integrators are lazy by julesh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are aware that the process for gaining access involves removing the hard disk from it, attaching it to another computer so you can modify certain files, and then returning the hard disk. Not the kind of thing you can do over the network.

      If a hacker has physical access to your hard disk, you've got a lot more to worry about than this.

    4. Re:Linux embedded integrators are lazy by bostonkarl · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh, please. Who are you with your shoulds and should nots. Did you read how folks originally broke into this box? They *physically* unplugged the USB2 disk from the NSLU2 and mounted the USB hard disk (which is NOT part of the NSLU2) directly to their Windows/Mac/Linux box(es). They then modified the password file from the Windows/Mac/Linux box. Being able to modify this device is a good thing. There is a collaberative spirit surrounding the newgroup associated with the folks developing *useful* applications to run on this the device. Linksys sells a very interesting and inexpensive piece of hardware with the NSLU2. A big reason it is inexpensive is that Linksys (1) lowers software development costs by using a ubiquitous operating system/software that it (Linksys) doesn't need to develop and (2) doesn't pay outrageous licencing fee for proprietary operating system/software that provides the same funcationality as freeware (Linux). QNX? You think the password file associated with QNX couldn't be modified in the same manner? VxWorks? Common.

    5. Re:Linux embedded integrators are lazy by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 1
      Linux is a great thing, on the desktop. But in embedded systems, the kernel is too tangled to successfully create a small distribution that is at the same time useful and feature-limited.

      Not true at all. Check out uClibc and BusyBox. In fact, I may get one of this NSLU2 boxes *just* to hack on it.

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    6. Re:Linux embedded integrators are lazy by bhima · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Provided you are selling your hardware at a profit no problem, but if you are using the hardware to subsidize the sales of services or consumables then big problem ala "iOpener"

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    7. Re:Linux embedded integrators are lazy by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      The kernel has *nothing to do* with the security issues. The security flaw is the lack of checksumming at boot time of the firmware image, which in this case is a Linux OS.

      Now, if they used a Linux BIOS, they'd be in better shape for that kind of security testing. I'm completely serious.

    8. Re:Linux embedded integrators are lazy by rwhitby · · Score: 1

      Actually, there is a new way to get into the box which only requires wire access to it and does not require removing the hard disk physically.

      -- Rod

    9. Re:Linux embedded integrators are lazy by ShadowRage · · Score: 1

      Hrmm, I believ you got it backwards, linux will never be a truly great desktop replacement, however one of its strengths is the embedded systems, along with server stuff. ever seen a sharp zaurus PDA? the latest ones are very nice and offer more than any other pda on the market.

      Also, another flaw in your comment, the kernel is only "too tangled" if you compile...say, modules, and x86 support with x86 hardware and other features that dont exist on a simple little embedded board.

    10. Re:Linux embedded integrators are lazy by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1

      Well, one of the problems is, you just know there are going to be morons out there who decide to hack their hardware, screw it up, then call tech support saying it's broken. That's going to cost tech support time as well as potentially sending replacement units to folks who have screwed up their system on purpose.

    11. Re:Linux embedded integrators are lazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You wouldn't work for one of those "perferred" embedded systems companies, would you?

      I have used Linux now in 6 different embedded platforms, and I would say that the projects would have not gone as fast and as easy as they did. It is freakin' wonderful.

    12. Re:Linux embedded integrators are lazy by bostonkarl · · Score: 1

      As a follower of the newsgroup, I'm aware of it (and why I qualified my statement as to the "original" way the box was cracked. This new method requires using the admin password.

    13. Re:Linux embedded integrators are lazy by smcdow · · Score: 1
      This is where operating systems designed from the ground up with modularity in mind fit the bill. QNX, iTron, and VxWorks all get around this hacking problem by not providing the tools for hackers to change the system.

      I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm sure: When QNX, VxWorks, et. al., start supporting /bin/sh, python, and perl, then I (my company) will seriously start considering them. We stay away from platforms that force us do every little thing in C (or worse, Java).

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    14. Re:Linux embedded integrators are lazy by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      Umn, isn't that one of the biggest arguments against windows?

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  4. So do Corn Kernels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but you don't see us sane folks worshipping it, do you?

  5. Re:I vote for 10,000,000 post by aldoman · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    As we are approaching it, please remember this!

  6. Re:AAAAAARGH!! by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 1
    An I bought a WRT54G yesterday!!

    The NSLU2 and the WRT54G are two completely different devices you know. If you bought the WRT54G I presume you wanted the capabilities to act as a router and access point for your network, while the NSLU2 just connects a USB disk drive to your network. If you just bought it to play with Linux then you're silly since you could pick up any number of old PCs on eBay that would be considerably cheaper and more useful than either of these devices.

  7. Re:I vote for 10,000,000 post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Prepare to be modded down!

  8. Re:AAAAAARGH!! by pigeon · · Score: 1

    Don't worry about it, this machine has no wireless and no routing, which the wrt has. And oh, I killed my WAP54 (similar to the wrt) while flashing... talking about aaaagh.

  9. Re:AAAAAARGH!! by aldoman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The WRT54G is a superb router - it's product's like this which made Cisco by them out because they were starting to verge on their low end devices which cost 10x as much.

    Of course, no-one got fired for buying Cisco but I'm sure we will see a hell of a lot more of these sorta devices at remote sites and for 'glue'.

  10. All they need to do now by Trigun · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    is sell Type R stickers, hood scoops, and big wings for the back!

    1. Re:All they need to do now by Llama_STi · · Score: 1

      NSLU2 STi? ;)

  11. Avaks RoadRunner 64 by koody · · Score: 5, Informative

    A-Link has released two new ADSL-modems RoadRunner 64 and RoadRunner 64AP. Both have many advanced features, but the one that cought my eye was that they are Linux based. I bought the RoadRunner64 (without WLAN) and I've gathered some data about it.

    You can find out more about the product either by looking at the RR64 feature sheet or by checking out the guides and firmware page.

    The platform

    Both versions use LSI Logic's HomeBASE platform with the AR901 network processor. The only difference is that the AP version has a WLAN module manufactured by Zydas.

    The platform consists of AR901 processor (ARM922), the AR8203 analog-to-digital adsl chip and the AR229 USB/Ethernet chip. Note that the value of these parts is a measly $21 while I paid 80 EUR for the complete modem ;-)

    Specs

    Processor: ARM922 @ 200MHz integrated in the AR901 chip
    Flash: 4MB
    RAM: 16MB SDRAM
    Ports: 4 RJ45, 1 RJ11, 1 power
    Other: Zydas 802.11b WLAN (In RR64AP only)

    One can simply ssh to the box. It has tftp support and you can mount nfs partitions, so setting it up to distribute kernels for a ltsp setup would be possible. Cool little gadget, I must say. Unfortunately the software isn't 100% yet, at least not the firmware I have (first release). I got the source by asking politely by e-mail, and after it suddenly borked on me, they changed it for a new one without any hassle.

    1. Re:Avaks RoadRunner 64 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      About neck and neck with WinCE. Way above WinXPe.

      Still dwarved by iTron and VxWorks.

      All are dwarved by custom implementations.

      Linux was the hot thing in embedded systems a year or two ago. It turns out that the cost of implementing a Linux system in a consumer electronic device (the only place where that kind of power is necessary) is roughly equal to the cost of implementing it in WinCE. So pay either Microsoft or Montevista, it's the same.

    2. Re:Avaks RoadRunner 64 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah

  12. Re:AAAAAARGH!! by strictfoo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Lucky for you, the NSLU2 stands for "LINKSYS Network Storage Link for USB 2.0 Disk Drives"
    so you can have both the WRT54G and the NSLU2, unless you were looking for two items to hack.

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  13. What, no firewire??? by MightyYar · · Score: 0
    </joke>

    Sorry, had to say it! :)

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    1. Re:What, no firewire??? by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

      Ha, no joke to me friend, my wonderful Mac only has firewire and USB 1.1 Is it so hard to put a firewire port on these devices? Come on, it can't cost THAT much more....or offer 2 models.

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  14. They sell hardware in a competetive market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have no reason to limit the potential of their hardware. Only when you have a poorly functioning market would it make sense to expend effort on not making your hardware more usefull to potential buyers.

  15. $80 street price by ediron2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Buy's got it for $71 if you use a $5 off coupon. Nobody /. 'em until I finish my order, though... thanks!

    1. Re:$80 street price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will do

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  16. antivirus anyone? by 241comp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How about someone installing ClamAV on this puppy? Have it auto-scan the HD every so often and keep your NAS nice and virus-clean!

    1. Re:antivirus anyone? by aldoman · · Score: 1

      You could use this to secure an entire network, clamAV, mailscan and firewall.

    2. Re:antivirus anyone? by 241comp · · Score: 1

      Even set up crons running file or some other method to keep the small office employees from storing their MP3 and AVI collections on the office storage device...

  17. Why ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Whilst this is interesting from a technical perspective, I have to ask the question of why bother ?

    Surely the customers for this device just want a big disk they can plug into (i.e. no screwdrivers required) their network for extra storage and then ignore. Joe average doesn't care what else the hardware can do.

    If you want ssh, telnet and all the other toys, plug a real linux box into your network !

    1. Re:Why ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Whilst this is interesting from a technical perspective, I have to ask the question of why bother ?

      Hello? You're on Slashdot.

    2. Re:Why ? by dave-tx · · Score: 1
      If you want ssh, telnet and all the other toys, plug a real linux box into your network !

      The reason(s) I would prefer this over another linux box are that this is quieter (no fans/internal drives) and cooler. That's a big plus for me.

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      >> "What would the robut do? Frame someone!"

    3. Re:Why ? by Frequanaut · · Score: 1

      I prefer it because it's quiet, uses less power and anything I build myself is going to use more power, be louder and much more expensive.

      In fact I just started looking into a minipc just for this sort of thing. I couldn't build anything similar for less than $300.

    4. Re:Why ? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you want ssh, telnet and all the other toys, plug a real linux box into your network !

      It is a real linux box. It was when it was packaged too.

      The thing about this and WRT54G is that it can do things with more efficient hardware than setting up an inefficient ATX based system. These things consume watts, not hundreds of watts and are also fanless, lighter and more compact.

    5. Re:Why ? by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      SSH is much better for command line access and remote debugging than telnet, for obvious security reasons. It comes with telnet built-in. Also, adding NFS or even AFS is very useful for making the files more available with better security models in a mixed environment, rather than forcing people into using Windows-style SMB access no matter what the operating system of their client is.

    6. Re:Why ? by HaloZero · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Space and spare hardware are issues for me. As a college student living in the dorms, I kindof really have to choose what I bring to school with me. Currently, I bring my WinXP tower for game-playing (and, as of now, mass-storage), my PowerBook, and an old school ThinkPad 600E as a network appliance linux utility. Say I need more storage, I'd have trouble finding space for another box between everything else (UPS, tower, storage for books, etc). Also, my complete-computer boxes often find their way into the hands of my friends, who are computationally less fortunate, so I don't always have spare hardware to run such an appliance from. Sure, there's the ThinkPad, but it lives in a ventilated drawer, for the most part, firewalling, scanning the network, etc. If I wanted a networkable mass storage device (NAS), this would work great. Further, the disks are reconfigurable. I'm sure you could even make it into an even more reliable solution by integrating mirror-RAID across the two USB disks. Just get two enclosures, two hard disks of the same size, and, presto, mirrored network backup. And a toy, to boot! (Boot. Haha.)

      Your point is valid, but, this solution would be great for me.

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    7. Re:Why ? by mustangsal66 · · Score: 1
      If you want ssh, telnet and all the other toys, plug a real linux box into your network !
      Sure... Sell me your linux box for $71.

      Seriously, yeah people like my father would just want to plug it in and use the storage. Like in the article why wouldn't I want to use NFS if I could?
      I wonder how much web traffic it could handle?
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    8. Re:Why ? by walt-sjc · · Score: 1

      Quite simple really... Just take one of these boxes, add something like This, and you have a neat inexpensive tool to control stuff around the house...

      A full blown PC is overkill from a size, heat, power, and noise perspective. Please think outside the box (no pun intended :-)

    9. Re:Why ? by planckscale · · Score: 1
      So that USB labjack is a power controller? You mean it will control like a coffee maker or your T.V.? I think the NLSU2 should have a built-in battery for like 20 minutes in case the power goes out.

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    10. Re:Why ? by walt-sjc · · Score: 1

      Why oh why do people think about coffee makers when someone mentions home automation? HA is not about coffee makers and toasters.

      HA is about automatically closing or opening the blinds depending on the angle of the sun (or maybe when you start a DVD...) It's about being able to control your heating system a lot better than a set-back thermostat. How about calling home (or WAP interface) to heat up the hot tub? Or monitor the security cameras at your house from your office - maybe unlock the door for the UPS man... HA can remember to close the garage door at night, or turn off the lights in the basement. There are many good applications for HA.

      As far as pwoer backup, external UPS's work fine. You can get a generator that autmatically starts and takes over when the power goes out. Why would you want an internal battery?

  18. "The choice of a point of view... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ... is the initial act of culture."
    - Jose Ortega y Gasset

  19. No. (was: Re:Linux embedded integrators are lazy) by AmbyVoc · · Score: 4, Insightful


    You are totally missing the point. There is a difference in hacking and cracking.

    The thing is highly likely be secure enough although it is modifiable (read: hackable). `Secure' doesn't have to mean `unhackable' you know.

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  20. Re:I vote for 10,000,000 post by aldoman · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Sadly, you fail it.

    Hopefully the 10mil post will be on a story and not on journal!

  21. As neat as this is... by vasqzr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As neat as this is, I can't help to wish there was a little more security in devices like this. What about when someone adapts some worm code to install a custom, ddos-zombie installation on the thousands of Linux-powered Linksys/etc routers out there?

    1. Re:As neat as this is... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      I thought the "security" was broken only by physically accessing the device.

      Given that there would be several variations of installed firmware, I think it would cut down on the number of worms that can hit all of them.

      Even then, that is just a hypothetical exercise right now, I don't remember any big worms that targeted the Linux kernel, nor any proof-of-concept demonstrations.

      And most of these hacked units woould be behind firewalls, I think you need some of them to be direct connected to the Internet to start such a worm spread.

    2. Re:As neat as this is... by EdMack · · Score: 3, Funny

      What, a worm that breaks into your house, removes the hard-drive from your network storage and edits?

      Shit, run!

      --
      puts ("Python r0cks\n");
    3. Re:As neat as this is... by Gollum · · Score: 1

      Note that you have to have physical access to get into the box. i.e physically disconnecting the hard drive, and mounting it on another host, in order to set the root password.

      And I'm pretty sure that you need to have the admin password to enable telnet in the first place, too.

  22. The End is Nigh! by BubbaThePirate · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Rumors have been floating around /. lately... It's the P10M bug!
    Repent! The Day of Reckoning is upon us!

    Jeebus save us all!!!

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    -- "I'm not a religious man, but if you're up there, save me Superman..."

    1. Re:The End is Nigh! by sh4ky · · Score: 0

      "I'm not a religious man, but if you're up there, save me Superman..."

    2. Re:The End is Nigh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gosh, hurry up! It's nearly 3PM here and my shift at work ends in 15 mins!

  23. Re:AAAAAARGH!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    standard compliance?

  24. Eh. by iamdrscience · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems like there would be only a marginal intersection between the type of people that buy network attached storage devices and the type of people interested in hacking their network attached storage device. I mean, I would think most people who are able to hack their NSLU2 are also the type that have an extra computer around that they would use instead.

    1. Re:Eh. by bfree · · Score: 1

      I can think of two good reasons for this, future proofing and form factor. If you are installing any sort of large number of these, you could be looking at keeping them around for quite a while in which case you don't really want to have to scrap them all when Linksys decides to stop support. If your not buying many then it's all about the form factor and simplicity I guess, 130x21x91 is pretty small and on a small network could be brilliant for popping on and off portable storage, even just as a backup device.

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    2. Re:Eh. by TeknoHog · · Score: 1
      I mean, I would think most people who are able to hack their NSLU2 are also the type that have an extra computer around that they would use instead.

      My extra computers I could use instead are noisy as hell. This thing is probably dead silent. It'd be great for a server (mail/web etc.) that I could run 24/7 in my bedroom.

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      Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
    3. Re:Eh. by stevel · · Score: 1

      I have the NSLU2 and use it as a file server for backup. But even more useful, it serves my MP3 collection to my Audiotron. It and the USB disk sit, tucked away, on a shelf in my basement. It draws far less power than a PC and is silent (other than the disk.)

      It also has a built-in backup client that can back up files from other shares on your network. I don't use this, but it's a nice feature.

  25. Re:The_Fire_Horse claims 10,000,000th post !!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    post ID formatting is fixed to 8 digits

    Then I guess we're good until the 100,000,000th post. How many years do they have to fix the bug?

  26. RAID? by 241comp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Could it be hacked to run software RAID 1 or RAID 10 on the attached hard drives? That would make it more useful for small office environments.

    1. Re:RAID? by julesh · · Score: 1

      I might be getting my RAIDs mixed up, but I think RAID10 requires 3 disks, and according to the writeup on Linksys's site it only supports 2.

      I suspect you would need to flash the firmware to achieve this. I'm not sure if any toolchains are available that would allow you to ensure you had a working kernel before you did this... i.e., you stand a high chance of writing off the device.

    2. Re:RAID? by dave-tx · · Score: 1
      Could it be hacked to run software RAID 1

      I'd think it'd be easier to hack it to do hourly rsyncs or snapshots between the two drives. For my applications, that'd be sufficient.

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      >> "What would the robut do? Frame someone!"

    3. Re:RAID? by 241comp · · Score: 1

      I thought RAID 10 required 4 drives. If you're going to the trouble to enable software RAID, I'm sure you could enable it to mount more than 2 HD's (using a USB hub to provide the necessary ports).

    4. Re:RAID? by julesh · · Score: 1

      I thought RAID 10 required 4 drives.

      You may be right. I've never been entirely certain of which RAID level was which. I only ever use RAID 1.

      If you're going to the trouble to enable software RAID, I'm sure you could enable it to mount more than 2 HD's (using a USB hub to provide the necessary ports).

      That may be true. Another alternative that I just thought of is to set a cron job to do a regular backup of changed files to the second disk. That wouldn't require any kernel or core system updates, so could be achieved with no risk. Obviously it isn't quite as good, but it would probably be sufficient for most purposes. If you used compression (what's the processor spec on these things...?) or a larger 2nd disk you could keep a short revision history, too.

    5. Re:RAID? by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      Why stripe? It's onl got 10/100 out the front thats only 12.5 MB a sec so striping isn't going to gain you anything, linear append and a LVM implemtation would be realy nice for a small office. Think about ok your first HD is full plug in a second drive and we can either expand the existing partition onto it, append it's space or simply move it all without second of downtime. LVM snapshots are also probably better than a mirror to deal with a disk failure as mirror sets tend to currupt at the same time snapshots with incrementals are a bit safer.

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    6. Re:RAID? by 241comp · · Score: 1

      Probably something that can provide incremental backups like reoback would be good (take less space, compressed). Or if you don't care for that, you could run something like Unison on the drives and actually use both of them (increasing throughput, decreasing latency) and let it figure out the discrepancies.

    7. Re:RAID? by turbine216 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The unit already does scheduled disk-to-disk backups, without any hacking, which should cover whatever data integrity concerns you may have.

    8. Re:RAID? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't even have to hack it to do that, just take it out of the box, turn it on, and enable that option in the web configurator.

    9. Re:RAID? by 241comp · · Score: 1

      Because (I could be wrong here but...) the USB ports appear to be USB 2.0 Full Speed (12Mbps). A single drive would give 1.5MB/s max speed. RAID1 (if done properly so reads are split across the drives) would do 3MB/s. RAID 10 Redundancy/Striping would allow reading from 4 drives simultaneously so up to 6MB/s.

      If it is USB 2.0 High Speed (up to 480Mbps - 60MB/s) then this advantage is nullified. Although, perhaps a 1GB NIC could be hacked in... maybe not though.

  27. what they need is ntfs by sosuke · · Score: 1

    what they need is ntfs or other filesystems, i have some usb harddrives that are full, but i dont want to have to reformat them! :P

    1. Re:what they need is ntfs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      test

  28. As Marx said, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "... the value of a commodity represents human labour in the abstract, the expenditure of human labour in general."

    also,

    "... This subsuming of individuals under definite classes cannot be abolished until a class has taken shape, which has no longer any particular class interest to assert against the ruling class."

    viva la revolution!
    down with the caplitalist bastards!
    vive la frace!
    vive la chine!
    vive cuba!
    mort a les etas-unis!

    1. Re:As Marx said, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      back in the days of Marx, that's how they spelt 'france'. learn your history, jeesh!

  29. I have note that HOURS ago, dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  30. Re:AAAAAARGH!! by svanstrom · · Score: 1

    So did I, but with a lil bit of luck you can save it... Either get the firmware from their website and try that, or use the instructions provided at www.sveasoft.com.

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  31. passwd files by vasqzr · · Score: 2, Funny
    As expected, the passwd file showed the user accounts I had created with a /dev/null for the shell. But there were two accounts that had a real shell: root and an interestingly named account--ourtelnetrescueuser, that looked like a back door account used for debugging or recovery purposes.
    root:WeeOvKUvbQ6nI:0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh
    bin:x:1 :1:bin:/bin:
    lp:x:4:7:lp:/share/spool:
    mail:x:8: 12:mail:/var/spool/mail:
    ftp:x:14:50:FTP User:/:
    nobody:x:99:99:Nobody:/:
    ourtelnetrescue user:scFf7ZMXBMl4I:100:100::/home/user:/bin/sh
    gu est:scEPG0VnVyqmE:501:501:::/dev/null
    admin:sclzZ ZfodiRXY:502:501::/home/user/admin:/dev/null
    test_user:scEPG0VnVyqmE:2000:501:::/dev/null
    te st2:scEPG0VnVyqmE:2001:501:::/dev/null
    test3:sc50 wKPq.zChw:2002:501:::/dev/null

    But in order to use these accounts, I would need to have their passwords. I started down the path of cracking the passwords before I came out of my stupor and realized all I had to do was edit the passwd file and replace the encrypted password with a known encrypted password from one of my other accounts! I could also just add a valid shell to one of my accounts, but for starters, decided to just put a new password in for root and leave the rest of the accounts alone.


    *nix n00b question, maybe, but why not just blank the password out?

    root::0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh

    ??
    1. Re:passwd files by cyber0ne · · Score: 2, Funny

      root::0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh

      Don't you ever let me see you type something like that again, you hear me?

      --
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    2. Re:passwd files by julesh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      *nix n00b question, maybe, but why not just blank the [root] password out?

      Err... to stop anyone on your network from connecting and wiping all your data / nicking your pr0n collection?

      One thing I have just noticed...

      admin:sclzZZfodiRXY:502:501::/home/user/admin:/dev /null
      test_user:scEPG0VnVyqmE:2000:501:::/dev/nul l
      test2:scEPG0VnVyqmE:2001:501:::/dev/null
      test3 :sc50wKPq.zChw:2002:501:::/dev/null


      Its using the same salt for every password. This is horrendously insecure...

    3. Re:passwd files by Sancho · · Score: 1

      So for curiousity sake, has anyone cracked the passwords?

    4. Re:passwd files by futuresheep · · Score: 1

      Yes, the passwords themselves are painfully weak.

    5. Re:passwd files by parksie · · Score: 1

      John hit the admin and test passwords pretty fast, nothing yet for the root/ourtelnetrescueuser ones, however. Almost irrelevant considering their hashes can just be replaced.

    6. Re:passwd files by stevey · · Score: 2, Informative

      The password for the 'admin' user is 'admin', the password for the test* users is '1234'. Given that these accounts have no shells they aren't useful.

      Cracking the others would be more useful - but I've not managed that yet.

  32. network attached accessories by 241comp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well, get a USB flatbed scanner with GPL drivers and you can have a network attached scanner. Come to think of it, there are probably lots of USB devices that one could share with this box. It could even do wiring closet security monitoring with a USB webcam and a remote machine which analyzes the images for movement. The possibilities appear endless (provided working drivers can be obtained and installed on the box).

    1. Re:network attached accessories by cygnus · · Score: 1
      Well, get a USB flatbed scanner with GPL drivers and you can have a network attached scanner.
      i'm having trouble understanding the purpose of this... if the scanner's so far away, using it via the network is going to require a bunch of back-and-forth between the client computer and the scanner. if it's close, then you could just plug the scanner in directly....
      --
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    2. Re:network attached accessories by 241comp · · Score: 1

      For instance, my small office typically has 2 desktops and up to 3 laptops in it at any given time. Usually only up to 4 people but sometimes 5 are present. We have a network attached printer (HP LaserJet 5MP) for our printing needs. A network attached scanner could be placed next to the printer and any of the 5 users could scan. This isn't an issue if your small office only needs $50 scanner quality (just buy everyone one) but if you need the quality of a $250-$500 scanner, that's a lot of money you'd save.

    3. Re:network attached accessories by cygnus · · Score: 1

      right but don't you have to walk to the scanner, place the material to be scanned, then walk back to your machine, tell the software to scan it, then walk back to the scanner, and get the material? everywhere i've worked, they've taken a junky machine and dedicated it as "the scanning machine." then you only make one trip, and just fileshare the file somewhere so you can work on it at your own workstation once you're done.

      --
      Just raise the taxes on crack.
    4. Re:network attached accessories by 241comp · · Score: 1

      Actually, a lot of scanners in that pricerange have ADF so yes, you do have to put it in the scanner, scan from your machine, then pick it up but you can do up to 50 sheets at a time. Our office is only about 16x24.

  33. So.... ssh, tftp, etc... ICQ? by mbourgon · · Score: 0

    Seriously... does anyone know if any of the ICQ apps have been posted to either this or the WRT54G?

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    "Sometimes a woman is a kind of religion, she can save your soul & set you free from all your sins" - Bad Examples
    1. Re:So.... ssh, tftp, etc... ICQ? by spacefight · · Score: 1

      What exactly are you trying to say? Running an ICQ client on a router? Why would you want to do this? Like mICQ on the shell? And then? ssh in and chat? :P

    2. Re:So.... ssh, tftp, etc... ICQ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, yes, exactly. Ideal for people behind firewalls, for instance.

  34. The 10M frenzy by RollingThunder · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    You just know the editors are going to be mystified by why this topic has such an insanely high reload count.

  35. Speed Bottleneck by erpbridge · · Score: 1

    Now, if I remember proiperly, USB 2.0 has a speed near 400 Mbps. This thing has a max network speed of 100 Mbps.

    Sigh... If only they had included a 1Gbps port on this thing, I'd get somewhere near the speed I want. And yes, I do have a Gigabit network running at home, and only a few laptops aren't equipped with Gig cards. And yes, it does make a speed difference.

    1. Re:Speed Bottleneck by dave420 · · Score: 1

      USB2.0 can't sustain 400mb/s. It can rarely even achieve that speed during normal operation. If we were talking firewire, then yes, it would have been better, but with USB2, you won't even notice it.

    2. Re:Speed Bottleneck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For me it's more interesting to know if it'd be possible to hook up more than two drives, using a USB hub.

      I have a handful of smaller (120-160GB) drives around that I wouldn't mind moving to a device like this, but I don't want to buy several of them.

    3. Re:Speed Bottleneck by trocade · · Score: 1

      And yes, you are a nerd. =)

  36. Performance & # of USB ports by Bushcat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What's the real-world performance on this kind of device like? And why is it limited to two USB devices (other than the obvious fact that there are only two USB ports on the thing)? I'm considering one simply as a network backup device.

    1. Re:Performance & # of USB ports by Xanthian · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't think that only 2 usb ports would cause the limit.... there are external usb hubs for expanding that sort of thing.

    2. Re:Performance & # of USB ports by shadrach68 · · Score: 1

      I can speak as someone who actually owned one of these. I was looking for a cheap NAS solution for my home network. I even took in the article on tomshardware first (big mistake to believe anything on that site, pure marketing, IMHO). The unit I received refused to see any of the USB hard drives I attached to it without going through a reformat on my PC first, then following a crazy power up scheme to get it to recognize the drive. My first task was going to be to take a ghost image of my main PC, I attempted this, only to have to unit go completely unresponsive during the transfer. I had to hard reset the unit in order to regain access to the interface, only to find the hard drive would not mount again! To make matters worse, I went through this process three times before I finally submitted to calling Linksys support (read, India). I actually got put on hold as soon as I mentioned the units model, and was transferred to a higher tech. He actually admitted terrible stability issues with this unit and suggested I try a new firmware upgrade. I did this, was able to remount the hard drive, only to have it fail when trying to just copy over some MP3 files. Another support call to Linksys gave me another firmware upgrade, which proceeded to destroy the unit completely! At this point the NSLU2 went back for a refund. Tech support from Linksys admits this unit is bad, the proprietary format it uses renders whatever drive you attach to it unreadable from anything other than the NSLU2 itself. Bad, unstable product which I suggest you avoid. An $80 NAS solution is obviously too good to be true. How about some real world tests instead of just hacking some stripped down buggy Linux box.

    3. Re:Performance & # of USB ports by Tux2000 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Speed: The USB 2.0 Hi-Speed FAQ tells us that the maximum speed of USB 2.0 is 480 Mbit/s. The maximum speed of parallel ATA is 133 MByte/s = 1064 MBit/s, plus it does not have the "ATA over USB" protocol overhead. Serial ATA does 150 MByte/s = 1200 MBit/s, IIRC. The ethernet interface of the device supports 100 MBit/s. Modern harddisks can not deliver 133 MByte/s = 1064 MByte/s, but they become faster every day. Flash memory can be that fast, at least for reading.

      Power: Each USB port must be able to deliver 5V @ 0.5A.

      Now do the maths: You can see that already a single USB device can deliver more data than the ethernet port could transport. The CPU (according to http://www.batbox.org/nslu2-linux.html) is an XScale CPU with 131.48 BogoMIPS, roughly comparable in Performance to a slow Pentium II. I'm sure it can't handle much more than 100 MBit/s Ethernet and two USB 2.0 ports.

      Adding a second USB port is convenient to copy data directly between USB devices, e.g. for backup or upgrade purposes. But adding more USB ports costs 0.5A per port for the PSU, making it much more inefficient for each added port.

      Tux2000

      --
      Denken hilft.
    4. Re:Performance & # of USB ports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Linksys admits this unit is bad, the proprietary format it uses renders whatever drive you attach to it unreadable from anything other than the NSLU2 itself.
      The NSLU2 uses EXT2 or EXT3 (I can't remember). The drives it formats can easily be read on OSes that can read that format. The first hacks required you to, in fact. You'd set the box up, mount the drive on another box and edit the password file that way. tk
    5. Re:Performance & # of USB ports by shadrach68 · · Score: 1

      Understood, but I didn't purchase this thing to hack it, I bought it to use it for a cheap NAS solution.

    6. Re:Performance & # of USB ports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Quote the parent):

      Power: Each USB port must be able to deliver 5V @ 0.5A.

      Now do the maths: You can see that already a single USB device can deliver more data than the ethernet port could transport. The CPU (according to http://www.batbox.org/nslu2-linux.html [batbox.org]) is an XScale CPU with 131.48 BogoMIPS, roughly comparable in Performance to a slow Pentium II. I'm sure it can't handle much more than 100 MBit/s Ethernet and two USB 2.0 ports.

      Adding a second USB port is convenient to copy data directly between USB devices, e.g. for backup or upgrade purposes. But adding more USB ports costs 0.5A per port for the PSU, making it much more inefficient for each added port.

      (end quote)

      ok, what if one uses an active USB 2.0 hub, could one hook more drives to that unit, each drive mounted at a different spot in the directory structure?

      If USB hubs are permitted, then Linksys could have gotten away with only one USB port.

      Not that I say it is a good idea to do so (all drives sharing the same bandwidth), but it could be doable.

      AC

      p.s.: I could sell my left testicle for a single FW port. I hope Linksys adds one (either 2USB+1FW or 1USB+1FW)...

    7. Re:Performance & # of USB ports by waldo2020 · · Score: 1

      that 0.5 A requirement is for powered devices only. otherwise the default is 100 mA. the device must negotiate the higher power. in this case the usb doesn't need to power the drives, even if they were powered from usb. since they are not running "hotswap usb", which is inherently swappable, they're not kosher anyways. besides most usn drives are extenally powered.

  37. The whole idea is crazy by ObviousGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't get it.

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    I have been pwned because my /. password was too easy to guess.
    1. Re:The whole idea is crazy by RollingThunder · · Score: 1

      Congrats!

    2. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Dr+Reducto · · Score: 3, Informative

      You have made Slashdot history, Obvious Guy.

    3. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Draoi · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Congratulations!!! Woo .....

      Ten Mil. Never thought I'd see the day.

      --
      Alison

      "It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education." - Albert Einstein

    4. Re:The whole idea is crazy by sh4ky · · Score: 0

      God-DAMNIT i missed it by ONE !!!! /shoots self

    5. Re:The whole idea is crazy by VMaN · · Score: 4, Funny

      A+ post... Will read again...

    6. Re:The whole idea is crazy by JPelorat · · Score: 4, Funny

      Heh, actually, you did get it.

      --
      Hokey statistics and ancient misconceptions are no match for a good thought in your head, kid!
    7. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It must be quite disappointing to have written the 10 millionth post and got modded up to the max, only to realise that what you wrote is complete drivvle.

      Dear Slashdot "Editors", please could we have a -1 Retarded mod for cases like this.

    8. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I don't get it"

      May this zen-like statement forever go down in history. I am forming a new religion to worship it.

      ---
      "I don't get it".

    9. Re:The whole idea is crazy by janbjurstrom · · Score: 1

      Congrats OG, you lucky lucky bastard ;)

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      668.5
    10. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Brilliant. What a simplistic and ingenious post.

      The nick, the subject, the message, even the sig! It all makes sense in the big picture and this guy wasn't even aiming at it.

      *clap*clap*

    11. Re:The whole idea is crazy by richie2000 · · Score: 1

      Oh, you got it alright. You post, therefore you are.

      --
      Money for nothing, pix for free
    12. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Inda · · Score: 2, Funny

      Some of your past +5 Insightful and +5 Interesting posts have been... um... insightful and interesting.

      This one is too short.

      Did a big Flash "JACKPOT!!!" pop-up after hitting submit?

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    13. Re:The whole idea is crazy by bfree · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think it is safe to say that no-one in their wildest dreams could have picked a more ideal 10 millionth post then this! Ok, ok, the userid could be binary (maybe 10) and the date could be pretty (say 10/10/10 10:10) but the content of the post and even the username and email address, it nearly seems like a fix! I can see the next thinkgeek t-shirt already! I might even print my own!

      --

      Never underestimate the dark side of the Source

    14. Re:The whole idea is crazy by titusjan · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, if it isn't ObviousGuy, my old FP nemesis...

      It's no use trying to hide your real intentions by posting at +5 interesting. That's the oldest trick in the book, it doesn't fool anybody.

      You think you've gotten 10^7th post because of all that money invested in a highspeed connection and a 2 by 4 reload button. You just got lucky! In the end my skilzz will beat your daddies money.

      See you at 2^24th post.

    15. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the immortal words of ObviousGuy - and what could be a better 10 millionth post (someone send this guy an iPod and some commemorative Slashdot coasters): I don't get it. I don't get it - the next all your base/beowulf cluster/hot grits/I for one tagline.

    16. Re:The whole idea is crazy by MoOsEb0y · · Score: 1, Funny

      I don't get it..

    17. Re:The whole idea is crazy by The+Ultimate+Fartkno · · Score: 5, Funny

      I hereby announce my line of high-quality t-shirts commemorating what will go down in history as a moment of sheer perfection in geekdom. The name, the post, the event... all so perfect for the occasion. Truly a singular moment, and we should all be proud to have been here.

      The shirts will be available in S, M, L, XL, XXL, and Admin.

      Babylon 5 decals are optional.

    18. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Oh great, here comes the Offtopic-loving buttnugget moderator... fuck off man, we're having fun here.

      Oh hell, that's funny!!! :-)

    19. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get it......

    20. Re:The whole idea is crazy by julesh · · Score: 0

      Ah! I get it!

    21. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Nick+Harkin · · Score: 1

      This is just...... perfect.

      Did you have any idea you were going for it when you posted?

      We need to know.... ;)

    22. Re:The whole idea is crazy by suso · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wow, we're such a bunch of geeks. I can't believe there are all these people looking for the 10,000,000th post.

    23. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Loconut1389 · · Score: 1

      It's like an easter egg hunt!

    24. Re:The whole idea is crazy by JPelorat · · Score: 1

      He got it!

      --
      Hokey statistics and ancient misconceptions are no match for a good thought in your head, kid!
    25. Re:The whole idea is crazy by flatface · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, to make it easier for whoever's ordering the shirt, he is an admin.. =)

    26. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he didn't!

    27. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's so much modding down being done to this post and its replies that I can't help but think that the Slashdot admins are responsible.

    28. Re:The whole idea is crazy by dr_dank · · Score: 1

      Stating the obvious to Obvious Guy! Classic!

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      Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
    29. Re:The whole idea is crazy by armando_wall · · Score: 2, Funny

      Congratulations, ObviousGuy for your 10Mth post!!

      CowboyNeal should honor him by including you in a poll!!

      Best quote ever?

      • "I think, therefore I am", Descartes.
      • " I Find Your Lack of Faith Disturbing", Darth Vader.
      • "That is not a fscking gun", John Lennon.
      • "I don't get it", ObviousGuy.
    30. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Janek+Kozicki · · Score: 1

      I don't get it,

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    31. Re:The whole idea is crazy by dago · · Score: 1

      ther'es only one answer :

      MOD PARENT UP !!!!

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    32. Re:The whole idea is crazy by armando_wall · · Score: 0, Troll

      9.999.999 is a GNAA idiot. Here is 10.000.0001?

    33. Re:The whole idea is crazy by selfsealingstembolt · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, there goes his account....

      Take a look at his journal.

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      Keep open minded - but not that open your brain falls out...
    34. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Robmonster · · Score: 1

      I bet his password was 'password'

      RM

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      I have no sig yet I must scream.
    35. Re:The whole idea is crazy by zhenlin · · Score: 1

      We will now wait for 16,777,216 (2^24) in accordance to the old maxim, "the computer scientist says that there are 1,024 metres in a kilometre, and the scientist says that there are 1,000 bytes in a kilobyte."

    36. Re:The whole idea is crazy by MarsDefenseMinister · · Score: 3, Funny

      Whoever owned ObviousGuy's account, please give it back. You've made your point, AND you got the 10 millionth post. There can be no greater glory to achieve, except for the respect of your fellow haX0rz and Slashdot citizens for being a good sport and returning the account.

      And congratulations on a perfect 10 millionth post. Well done.

      --
      No weapon in the arsenals of the world is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men.-Ronald Reagan
    37. Re:The whole idea is crazy by SomeGuyFromCA · · Score: 1

      No, it probably was 'obvious'.

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      if the answer isn't violence, neither is your silence / freedom of expression doesn't make it alright
    38. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    39. Re:The whole idea is crazy by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1

      Congratulations on your momentous achievement! I am simply awed.
      (You're still a dick, though. ;)

      --
      Show me on the doll where his noodly appendage touched you.
    40. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Sowbug · · Score: 1

      Hey you got comment #10,000,000! Congratulations!

    41. Re:The whole idea is crazy by geekoid · · Score: 0, Troll

      ummm, If you looked at the post numbers, I would think you would 'see the day'.
      I mean there was the 9.9 million post, and sometime before that there was the 9.8 millionth post. All the way back to damn near 1.

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    42. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      42?
      I just don't get it.

      Why couldn't the post have been under the story about Linus' interview.

    43. Re:The whole idea is crazy by ebayman · · Score: 0

      Someone stole my schtick. Post returned, but will not refund. Do not read posts by this poster! You have been warned!!!!!!111oneone

    44. Re:The whole idea is crazy by PedanticSpellingTrol · · Score: 1

      Congratulations post number ten million!

    45. Re:The whole idea is crazy by nacturation · · Score: 1

      BTW, congratulations on post #10,000,000. And +5 as well!

      --
      Want to improve your Karma? Instead of "Post Anonymously", try the "Post Humously" option.
    46. Re:The whole idea is crazy by dotwaffle · · Score: 1

      His post really sums up the slashdot atmosphere don't you think ;)

    47. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next contest: UID 100000.

    48. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get what?

    49. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Captain+Pedantic · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      You are the fucking tits. I hope you know that. Well done.

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      None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.
    50. Re:The whole idea is crazy by kunudo · · Score: 1

      womp

    51. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, a meaningless number! And it couldn't have happened to a more worthy post. Congratulations.

    52. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus fucking Christ. That was the worst waste of 10 seconds in my life! Well, about 30 seconds counting all this shit I am still writing.

    53. Re:The whole idea is crazy by focitrixilous+P · · Score: 1

      you'd think after so many posts, linking to http://goat.cx would be down. We are making progress! well, maybe post number 20 million won't link to goatse. A winner is you!

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      SAILING MISHAP
    54. Re:The whole idea is crazy by momerath2003 · · Score: 1

      My my, #10000000. The mind boggles.

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      I had but a simple dream, to destroy all humans.
    55. Re:The whole idea is crazy by sploxx · · Score: 1

      Hey, congrats to the 10,000,000th post! 55 replies so far and still growing :)

    56. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      congrats mr. ten million

    57. Re:The whole idea is crazy by thelinuxjunkie · · Score: 1

      Wahoo! Here's to the next record!

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    58. Re:The whole idea is crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hail the 10th Million post!!!

  38. 10,000,000 by madaxe42 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    10,000,000 is a terribly exciting number, you know.... Actually, hang on, no it isn't.

  39. Re:hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    riguidou take 2

  40. Re:May as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Third and final stab. If I miss this - good luck to the rest.

  41. 10 000 000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    10 000 000.

    He Wins It!!!!!!!

    Show him to our prize showcase, Rob.

    1. Re:10 000 000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And don't forget to help control the pet population. Have your pet spayed or neutered.

    2. Re:10 000 000 by Trolling4Dollars · · Score: 1

      Considering that the opposite of failure is success, shouldn't it really be:

      HE SUCCEEDS IT!!!!

      It even has the same clumsy ring as "HE FAILS IT".

  42. I think that's ironic by T.Hobbes · · Score: 2, Interesting

    well done

  43. argh! you ruined it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how could you?

  44. Re:More Simpsons... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    pwned =)

  45. How long will it take by BubbaThePirate · · Score: 3, Funny

    for you to ebay your /. account?
    What a sad world we live in.
    I got dibs!

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  46. Fast Times At /.? by cyber0ne · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't get it.

    THAT was the great and historic 10,000,000th post. Beautiful. I'm reminded of the "I don't know" written on the chalkboard in Fast Times At Ridgemont High.

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  47. Sharper Image by jobugeek · · Score: 1

    Looking at Linksys's site, anyone think it looks like that Ion air machine from sharper image?

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  48. I bet that would run a port of UZI though... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

    ... it's almost certainly more powerful than a PDP-7. You could get some sort of Unix on it.

    1. Re:I bet that would run a port of UZI though... by Llama_STi · · Score: 1

      Not if Darl has anything to say about it! ;)

  49. not in this particular situation... by da5idnetlimit.com · · Score: 3, Informative

    buzbee specifically indicate that he just accessed the flash-partition containing the system using the usb connector on the device and mounting the drive so he could

    all his copying, untarring, editing and modifying where made on the device network share-drive, him being short on space and all...

    so you don't need to fiddle a lot with the box, except for plugging in usb, which any luser can do.(?)

    he didn't even have to crack the password :
    "As expected, the passwd file showed the user accounts I had created with a /dev/null for the shell. But there were two accounts that had a real shell: root and an interestingly named account--ourtelnetrescueuser, that looked like a back door account used for debugging or recovery purposes.

    root:WeeOvKUvbQ6nI:0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh
    bin:x :1:1:bin:/bin:
    lp:x:4:7:lp:/share/spool:
    mail:x: 8:12:mail:/var/spool/mail:
    ftp:x:14:50:FTP User:/:
    nobody:x:99:99:Nobody:/:
    ourtelnetrescue user:scFf7ZMXBMl4I:100:100::/home/u ser:/bin/sh
    guest:scEPG0VnVyqmE:501:501:::/dev/nu ll
    admin:sclzZZfodiRXY:502:501::/home/user/admin: /dev /null

    test_user:scEPG0VnVyqmE:2000:501:::/dev/null
    te st2:scEPG0VnVyqmE:2001:501:::/dev/null
    test3:sc50 wKPq.zChw:2002:501:::/dev/null

    But in order to use these accounts, I would need to have their passwords. I started down the path of cracking the passwords before I came out of my stupor and realized all I had to do was edit the passwd file and replace the encrypted password with a known encrypted password from one of my other accounts! I could also just add a valid shell to one of my accounts, but for starters, decided to just put a new password in for root and leave the rest of the accounts alone. "

    See, just copying and pasting a configuration file...
    even a luser ca do that (bis repetitam placient 8p )

    Cheers

    da5id

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    1. Re:not in this particular situation... by julesh · · Score: 1

      According to the way I read the page, you're wrong. I quote:

      It's a mult-step process to enable telnet. [...]

      First, mount a NSLU2 initialized hard drive on a box that understands ext2/3 format.


      But, whichever of us is right, you still need physical access. Anyone untrusted should not have physical access to your central network storage.

  50. Re:More Simpsons... by richie2000 · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Ha! You missed! :-P

    Now off to find the 9999999 poster...

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  51. I object by nslu · · Score: 2, Funny

    I, nslu(1), am just as useful.

    1. Re:I object by Extrymas · · Score: 1

      mmm.. but can you serve files?

    2. Re:I object by nslu · · Score: 1

      Yes, but I call them fillets

  52. Think about AC power by Tux2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would think most people who are able to hack their NSLU2 are also the type that have an extra computer around that they would use instead.

    Sure you could use an old PC for that job. But that PC has at least a 150W PSU, often 200W, 250W or more, and almost every PC has at least one noisy fan. My tests on my ex-router (really old Compaq 486 without harddisk) show that a PC needs at least 40W AC power when IDLE, and much more with newer CPUs. According to the Datasheet, the device is specified for 5VDC @ 2A. USB ports must be able to deliver 0.5A each, so the "real" machine needs nothing more than 5V @ 1A. This means you never put more than 10W into the device, with a low power USB storage device, 5W should be possible IMHO. With a common wallbrick PSU (50% heat, 50% output), this translates to 20W AC power under FULL LOAD. With a modern switching PSU (20% heat, 80% output), and a low power USB storage device, you need about 7W AC power. That's what a modern ATX PC draws in standby mode (so-called "off").

    Did I mention that the NSLU2 has no moving parts?

    Tux2000, not related to Linksys except that I own a hacked WRT54G.

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    1. Re:Think about AC power by pmsr · · Score: 1
      I'm battling with the power issue myself on the matter of a server i want to build at home. Still, que question is: how much do you pay per year in the electricity bill for an old pc acting as a server? And is it better or worse than buying one of these NSLU2 boxes plus an USB2 external disk box? Assuming you already have the hardware lying around, something tells me that you need more than two years in electricity cost to pay for a NSLU2 plus disk box. And the NSLU2 has limitations that a diy server doesn't. You can leverage a diy server much better, think email, vpn, print or web server. You are right about the noise, though. That is a real problem.

      /Pedro

    2. Re:Think about AC power by jjhall · · Score: 1

      Another thing to consider, the cost of electricity is not only the money for the monthly bill. For people in coal-fired power areas, they may want to try to conserve as much as possible to help with the pollution problem. That isn't as huge a concern for my area, as we are on Hydroelectric, so the pollution has already been done. Electricity prices are just above $.06 per Kw/h so even the cost doesn't add up to much. That being said, I still try to keep my usage down as much as possible.

      One of the biggest concerns for me is heat. My Smoothwall firewall (old 486 DX 166 AT system,) 2K storage and test server (old Cyrix 6x86 AT system,) and my Linux mail/web/ftp/Asterisk/whatever server (old Dual Pentium Pro 200 ATX system) all generate quite a bit of heat. Since I don't do much with Win2K any more, one of these devices with a decent sized hard drive would be great to replace that system. It would pull less power and generate less heat. One of these with a couple of USB Network adapters would make a great firewall system, angain reducing power consumption and heat production. Perhaps one of the routers would better fit that bill.

      Another factor to consider with heat generation, is the cost of heat reduction. During the summer months, not only is there extra energy cost for the generated heat, there is also the added air conditioning cost to bring the ambient heat level back down. Of course, it does help reduce the natural gas bill during the winter months as it takes less heat from the furnace. However, the efficiency is not nearly as good.

      Just some points to ponder.

      Jeremy

  53. Difference Between Bits and Bytes (with Chart) by Inhibit · · Score: 1

    Doesn't USB 2.0 have a max throughput (max, realistic's probably 320 after overhead) of 480 Mega*bits* per second, where as my Hdd has a max throughput of 100Mega*Bytes* per second. Multiply by 8.

    This is just recollection from memory, so I might be wrong. Don't think so, though. See conversion chart here

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    1. Re:Difference Between Bits and Bytes (with Chart) by julesh · · Score: 1

      I don't think most people here need a chart for that conversion. The OP was clearly talking about network speed, not HD disk; net speed is generally also measured in bits.

    2. Re:Difference Between Bits and Bytes (with Chart) by Inhibit · · Score: 1

      ah, yep. I mis-read. Finding that chart was worth the posting though.. pretty usefull relative speeds if you're looking for a bottleneck.

      Just not as usefull in this case :).

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  54. The cost of slavery to Redmond by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So pay either Microsoft or Montevista, it's the same.

    That's only true if you place no value on your ass.

  55. Re:Why ? Power! by spectrokid · · Score: 1

    I guess this uses less power than a PC. Having a permanent ADSL connection, Iwouldn't mind setting up my own mail server and maybe a tiny webserver with some family pics. But leaving a PC 24/7 is going to add a serious whack to my power bill. This could be a slution.

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  56. STABILITY by interiot · · Score: 4, Interesting
    There are several important differences between a little system like this and an old computer:
    • low power... makes the box silent, and the power-supply is simpler/cooler and likely to have a longer life
    • simpler software... unlike an old box that potentially has a ton of different things running on it, this has a smaller set of very stable software that's likely to continue working forever
    • easy backup/restore... the ROM image is 16MB, so it's something you can put a copy on all of your computers, and is trivial to restore. Whereas if your random machine lost its installation, how long would it take to do a re-install?
    • it's small and cheap... yes, spare computers are cheaper, but whereas it's feasible to maintain and store 25 NSLU2's in my computer room, the same is not true of spare boxes... it'd be too noisy and much less stable.
    Where we're going with this is having separate hardware to do each little network task. Since they're all running on separate CPU's, if one of them does die, the other ones will be fine, and will likely continue running for a long time.
    • audio output/video playback (one per room)
    • firewall/NAT/WiFi
    • DMZ services
      • apache
      • sendmail
    • network attached storage
    • backup/restore
    • X10 network interface
    • ...
    These are things you simply want to always work, and don't want to screw around too much.
  57. Cool by Goo.cc · · Score: 1

    I am going to order one. I think that it is cool that this little device is hackable.

    And shame on those who would poo-pah on others for having fun with cheap hardware. If you can't understand why this is fun, then don't do it.

  58. Re:More Simpsons... by CmdrTostado · · Score: 1

    Um... er,.. post number 9,999,999 is... a.. little more.... wordy! than 10,000,001.

  59. Old entry by Compact+Dick · · Score: 1

    The journal entry date reads 2004-06-26 17:38 (UTC).

    1. Re:Old entry by J'raxis · · Score: 1

      If you're going to use the ISO8601 date format, don't write UTC in parentheses like RFC822 dates, write Z or +0000.

    2. Re:Old entry by Compact+Dick · · Score: 1

      I avoided the strict ISO 8601 version (2004-06-26T17:38Z) for a reason -- to enhance readability. Then again, this is Slashdot, and such considerations can be counterproductive :-)

    3. Re:Old entry by J'raxis · · Score: 1

      I often use a space in place of a T also, and sometimes put a space before the timezone, also for readability.

      2001-02-03 04:05:06 +0700

      ISO probably avoided a space so that the entire date/time string is one unbroken token. I believe the EU's standard, based on ISO8601, is to use a space instead of a T.

      However, +0000 is better than UTC because timezone abbreviations (other than the specific instance of UTC) aren't really well-known outside their country of origin, whereas a number is a number. Also, multiple abbreviations will often map to the same numeric offset, which doesn't help clarity; the +0700 above is called WIT in Indonesia, but ALMST in Kazakhstan (according to the output of `date` and my zoneinfo files, at least).

  60. Power consumption and price comparison by Glyndwr · · Score: 4, Informative

    Lots of people are claiming that this is much cheaper to run than a dedicated ATX server, but they are forgetting you need to power the hard disks too. In my (limited) experience, powering desktop 7200rpm disks from USB is very dicey, so you need externally powered hard disk boxes for them.

    Based on UK prices turned up in 30 seconds by Google, so probably not the cheapest to be had, but never mind.

    NSLU2: £60, 5V/2A power into device

    Cheap USB hard disk box:£35, 50-80VA power into the PSU brick (based on the one on my desk). I'll use 70VA, to be on the safe side.

    So, outfitting one of these for two hard disks would cost around £130. Assume a 60% efficiency plugpack for the NSLU2 (which seems conservative) and total power consumption would then be around 160VA.

    In comparison, my server has an Athlon 900Mhz, a couple of fans, the same two hard disks, and a 300W PSU. Let's assume it's highly loaded and actually draws around 250VA; I'll ignore power correction factor for these calculations.

    At 10p/kWh, the NSLU2 costs 39p per day to run, and the server 60p. If I upgraded to the NSLU2, it would take over 3 years to get a ROI from a purely financial point of view. Unless I've gotten something wrong, in which case I'm sure some clever slashdotter will correct me in a few seconds :o)

    So, on purely financial grounds, perhaps hard to justify. Still, it's nifty, it's a hell of a lot smaller than my existing server, and it would reduce the noise in this room nicely by eliminated a few fans too.

    Update: hmmm, PC guide reckons it's more like 10W for a hard disk under use, suggesting the rather high sounding 50-80VA max draw are probably for 10,000rpm disks spinning up or something. Even assuming 15W to be on the safe side changes things around a lot; assume 75% efficient PSU plugpacks just to look on the bright side, and we get 20W per hard disk and 13W for the device = 13p per day. Break even is now about 9 months; not too shabby, given the other benefits.

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    1. Re:Power consumption and price comparison by WuphonsReach · · Score: 3, Informative

      Most 5400rpm drives are 6-7W idle and ~10W when seeking. The 7200rpm drives are a bit more power hungry, 7-10W idle and 10-13W seeking. Dunno about 10k RPM drives, but for a low-power fanless server you'd want to stick with cool running 5400rpm drives anyway. (Those numbers are from the manuf websites.)

      Here in the northeast US, 10W of power draw costs $0.60/mo. Figure a 25W low-power CPU like a VIA C3, another 10W for the motherboard, plus 2x7.5W for a pair of 250GB 5400rpm drives in RAID1. That *should* clock in at around 50W on average, and maybe 40W if the disks spin down. The NSLU2 draws 10W (max) plus another 15W for the (2) USB hard drives for a total of 25W (being conservative). So the cost savings is around $1/mo.

      Unit price for the NSLU2 is $80, plus another $50 for a pair of USB enclosures. Definitely cheaper then building a mini-ITX system (est $300-$400, not including drives).

      All that being said, I prefer my toaster-sized mini-ITX linux server.

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  61. MAME box! by mookoz · · Score: 1
    Add a USB To VGA adapter

    Then add some audio

    W00T!

  62. *IDEA* Roll your own USB drive/ Cheap NAS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are they selling multi-drive usb enclosures yet? like this LaCie Big Drive? (yeah I know it 1394 not USB) How about rolling your own, any EE's /CE's feel up to combining a raid card and a usb enclosure? I don't have the know how to do it but I'd gladly benefit from it.

  63. mount -t smbfs... by da5idnetlimit.com · · Score: 1

    I really think he said he just took some ext3 drivers for mac and then mounted the drive...

    if mount -t smbfs is physical access...then ok.

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    1. Re:mount -t smbfs... by o_kenway · · Score: 1

      Erm...

      It *really* helps if you read the article.

      He took the USB drive that he had plugged into the device and *plugged* it into his iBook. Y'know, with a USB cable? I call that physical access.

      "mount -t smbfs" would not have worked as the partition on the disk that holds the configuration information is not shared over samba (because Linksys are not complete fools) so mounting it over the network is not possible.

  64. Re:More Simpsons... by richie2000 · · Score: 1

    I noticed. :-) I suppose we should be grateful that he/she/it missed the Big One.

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  65. sorry, by da5idnetlimit.com · · Score: 1

    I had rtfm, but a bit too fast 8)

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  66. No, geeks hate decimal. by Thinkit4 · · Score: 1

    10,000,000 is meaningless. The big post came will be 100000000h.

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    1. Re:No, geeks hate decimal. by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      No, *computer* geeks hate decimal. *Science* geeks love decimal.

  67. Hook up to Tivo ? by data64 · · Score: 1

    Anyway to hook this up to Tivo like devices to get additional space for recording stuff from TV.

  68. Crazy like a fox!! by ccoakley · · Score: 1

    Congrats! What are you going to do next?

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  69. is it usefull webserver? by m05 · · Score: 1

    do you think it would work as a webserver? i know there is some kind of webserver on it. but i could not find details if anyone managed to get apache running on it. as others mentioned. it would be great to have a small energy saving webserver instead of an old noisy pc.

  70. WTF Is It? by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

    It would be really nice if the Slashdot would tell us what the story is about. I realize that there's a link, but it would be supremely convenient if I didn't have to click through in order to find out if the story is worth my time.

    Please note that this story is posted in the "Developers" section. I would expect stories here to be about programming languages, algorithms, a Mono vs dotGNU flamewars, or a party at the DNA Lounge. So when I read the title "NSLU2 Now More Useful", and the blurb "the WRT54G's not the only hackable kid on the block", I'm not instantly associating it with network storage devices.

    Do you really expect me to instantly recognize the "NSLU2" and "WRT54G" names? I can barely remember that "GX240" is the name of my workstation and "iFP-790" is the name of my ogg player, without having to memorize tens of thousands of other equally non-mnemonic product names in order to understand what Slashdot is talking about.

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  71. Alternative: Buffalo technologies LinkStation by hanson_mark · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Anyone considering the Linksys box should also take a look at the Buffalo technologies LinkStation as it also runs Linux and it includes a 120G hard drive, acts as a print server, and includes 2 USB ports as well. Considering the cost of a USB2 enclosure and a hard drive to add to the Linksys box this LinkStation comes in at a slightly lower price once you get the mail in rebate.

    There appears to be a fair sized amount of information on how to modify these boxes on various Japanese sites which I can not read a word of. So I have yet to take my LinkStation appart but will hopefully get around to it soon. So far it has worked well and I am pretty happy with my purchase.

    1. Re:Alternative: Buffalo technologies LinkStation by BLKMGK · · Score: 1

      The buffalo DOES look like a possible alternative that might be better - I'm surprised no one has picked up on it in the US. this site appears to have some source downloads... -> http://linkstation.yi.org/index.php?cmd=read&page= Kernel_source%2FDownload

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  72. dood: ten millionth post! by sacrilicious · · Score: 0, Redundant

    (apologies for being offtopic, but) I just had to note that the parent post is number ten million!

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    1. Re:dood: ten millionth post! by Kosgrove · · Score: 1

      Seriously? For real? Nuh-uh!

    2. Re:dood: ten millionth post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who the hell modded the parent "redundant"?

      Chill the fuck out moderators. It's not like /. is going to collapse into anarchy or something just because some peeps are posting stuff about the 10M post.

  73. Lets get these out of the way.... by drphuck · · Score: 0

    1) But, does it run linux?
    2) Imagine a beowolf cluster of these!
    3) In Soviet Russia...

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  74. laptop hard drive USB2.0 enclosures? by planckscale · · Score: 1
    I'd imagine it would be less power consuming if you could get a laptop hard drive in a USB2.0 enclosure and attach it to the device. Also, I suppose a nice big USB2.0 flash drive would work as well, but the 2GB flash drives are $$$$

    Then I supposed ultimately it would be most beneficial to boot from the drive, and run a headless machine.

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  75. Data transfer rate? Flash/RAM hack possible? by radionacht · · Score: 1

    Salve,

    I would like to know how fast the data transfer of NSLU2 box and other
    routers like the WRT54g but with USB 1.1 and USB 2.0 is.

    BTW WRT54g & Co has a Broadcom BCM47x2 chip with only one 100
    MBit/s Ethernet - so using them as 100MBit/s to 100 MBit/s Router will
    IMHO reach only less then 50 Mbit/s.
    OK when some Wlan-Routers with Broadcom BCM47x2 and USB like the
    ASUS WL-500 (USB 1.1) and the Netgear WGT634U (USB 2.0) make it
    possibe to add a hdd via USB, too. Why not hack them (too)?

    Howto add more Flash/RAM?
    see my question at Home / Little Linux systems & single-board computers
    (SBCs)
    "Any Flash/RAM upgrade Howto? I like to hack small/cheap BCM47x2
    (WLan)-Router"

    http://www.linuxdevices.com/cgi-bin/board/UltraBoa rd.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=sb\
    c&Post=254

    But Flash memory is quite expenise - IMHO would make more sence to have
    a solution with an usb-memory-stick. Is there a chance to hack a bootchain
    with usb-support that the selfbuild kernels are booted from usb-stick? Can a
    kernel A boot a kernel B? How? Consider that kernel A sound be flashed
    once and never be upgraded, new kernels sould be stored on the USB
    stick, so the kernel version from A and B becomes different in the future! I
    found only:
    "I'm fighting from another angle. I have a kernel booting another
    kernel working for an SMP kernel. Now if I just need to get it to work
    for a SMP kernel when more than 1 cpu is in the box and I'll be in good
    shape "
    http://www.linuxbios.org/faq/archive/0632.html
    -So could a kernel A boot a kernel B and how?
    -Any other boxes based on Broadcom chips with USB support?

    Greetings
    rob

    PS: This posting is a copy from my posting:
    http://www.linuxdevices.com/cgi-bin/board/UltraBoa rd.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=talkbacks&Post=359

  76. Congratz! by Snaller · · Score: 1

    Gratz! You are message number 10 million :o)

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  77. In the year 2525... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if Slashdot is still alive, someone will get post 100000000. It will probably be about a Beowulf cluster.

    (Congrats, you did get it).

  78. oh by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 1

    great news seeing as i just set one of those Linksys up right here

  79. Gamecube homebrew server by mewphobia · · Score: 1

    This would be mad to serve homebrew gamecube games off! no need to have a computer on!

    Shame it's not out in .au yet. :(

  80. Singularly appropriate words, too... by leonbrooks · · Score: 1
    I don't get it.
    That could almost be SlashDot's motto. (-:
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  81. It will happen a lot sooner than that by britneys+9th+husband · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Some Slashdot history (thanks to $$$$$exyGal for the informative journal entry...

    Post #1,000,000 on Jun 15, ???? http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6038&cid=10000 00
    Post #2,000,000 on Mar 1, ???? http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=16359&cid=2000 000
    Post #3,000,000 on Feb 13, ???? http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=27908&cid=3000 000
    Post #4,000,000 on Aug 2, 2001 http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=37241&cid= 4000000
    Post #5,000,000 on Jan 2, 2002 http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=49501&cid=5000 000
    Post #6,000,000 on May 20, 2003 http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=64871&cid=6000 000
    Post #7,000,000 on Sep 18, 2003 http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=79101&cid=7000 000
    Post #8,000,000 on Jan 16, 2004 http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=930 44&cid=8000000
    Post #9,000,000 on Apr 28, 2004 http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=105698 &cid=9000000
    Post #10,000,000 on Aug 18, 2004 http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=118 344&cid=10000000

    Unfortunately, I couldn't tell what year the first three were posted, but from 4 million to 10 million, you can see the number of days it takes to post 1,000,000 comments:

    4 million to 5 million: 153 days
    5 million to 6 million: 138 days
    6 million to 7 million: 121 days
    7 million to 8 million: 120 days
    8 million to 9 million: 102 days
    9 million to 10 million: 112 days

    First observation: Comment posting is slowing down on Slashdot!!! Slashdot is dying!!! Netcraft confirms it!!! OMGWTFBBQ!!!

    (end troll mode)

    Second observation: At the current rate of posting, it will take us 3 years to post 10 million more comments, or about 27 years to get to 100 million. So you can reschedule the celebration from 2525 to 2031, if not sooner.

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    1. Re:It will happen a lot sooner than that by foidulus · · Score: 1

      you could always just get a lot of pointless posts to boost the post count.
      look at me, I am wasting disk space!

    2. Re: It will happen a lot sooner than that by Omniscient+Ferret · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I might have a different display setting, because I can see them:

      Post #1,000,000 on June 15th, 2000
      Post #2,000,000 on Mar 1, March 1st, 1999
      Post #3,000,000 on February 13th, 2002

      Yeah. 2000, 1999, 2002. It's been noted elsewhere. Along with the others noted above, that's 2000, 1999, 2002, 2001, 2002...

    3. Re:It will happen a lot sooner than that by mgcarley · · Score: 1

      Of course, that's assuming that noone else signs up, and we all post as normal. Don't forget that more comments etc means more links, means more recognition, means more traffic, means more signups when a whole bunch of other people want to post too.

      That slowdown going from 9 to 10 million? Sorry, my fault. :) I wasn't able to be on the internet much for a couple of weeks in July...

      I would really estimate that once we hit sort of 30 million, we will probably see massive acceleration in numbers of posts, and from million to million will probably start to go from ~120 days to ~100 to ~80 to ~60 to ~35 to ~20 etcetera, and we will probably hit 100 million before I turn 30 (End of 2014).

      Who knows, I could be grossly under/over estimating...

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    4. Re: It will happen a lot sooner than that by britneys+9th+husband · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I never knew you could set your display preferences to show the year (I wonder if anyone actually uses the "6 ish" format). I was using the days of the week to figure out what the year was. I gave up on the first three posts because I noticed the contradiction, and just assumed there was some bug in the Slashcode causing it to show the wrong day of the week. It didn't occur to me that the comment id's might be out of order.

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    5. Re: It will happen a lot sooner than that by Omniscient+Ferret · · Score: 1

      You worked it out by days of the week? That's dedication. I decided to double-check:
      Post #4,000,000 on August 2nd, 2002
      Post #5,000,000 on January 2nd, 2003
      Those two were the only ones off. Good work, though!

  82. In reply... by Krashed · · Score: 0

    1) Yes
    2) Ohh, ahh.
    3) ...network stores you!

  83. Bittorrent anyone ? by Choron · · Score: 1

    A very cool application for this box would be to port Python on it so that it can run bittorrent, imagine having your bittorrent client running constantly (btlaunchmany), you simply feed it with new torrent files and collect the downloaded files a few hours or days later. Much quieter and spends much less power than a Linux PC...

    Actually I'm really considering buying it if it's feasible, gotta find out if they sell them in Japan though.

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    1. Re:Bittorrent anyone ? by BLKMGK · · Score: 1

      Japan? checkout the Buffalo Linkstation mentioned above. If you can read Kanji it looks like this device has HUGE support over there and has been hacked pretty good - it comes with a built-in HD and USB 2 support along with the 10/100 NIC...

      http://linkstation.yi.org/index.php?cmd=read&pag e= Kernel_source%2FDownload

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    2. Re:Bittorrent anyone ? by Choron · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the info dude ! That thingie looks interesting, although a little pricey compared to the NSLU2 (26400 yen fot the 120 GB version) but it does include a HD. I will check them at my local Goodwill this week-end. Have you tried that one out ?

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    3. Re:Bittorrent anyone ? by BLKMGK · · Score: 1

      No, I've not tried either one unfortunatly. I only learned of the Buffalo unit here in this thread. Since most of the pages about hacking it are in a language I cannot read I'm not sure just what all can be done with it :-( Very interested in learning more though!

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  84. but that never applies to windows by babybird · · Score: 1

    why is it that when you can hack into something running linux, it's cool. but when you can hack into something running windows it's a huge security flaw and microsoft is evil?

    ok, actually i think it's cool too but isn't it a little "funny" how being able to hack into a windows machine is a "bad thing(tm)" and hacking into a linux machine is considered a cool feature by geeks? that should make windows *REALLY* cool. :D

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  85. That's no joke :-( by BLKMGK · · Score: 1

    I looked long and hard for USB 2 enclosurers that housed more than one or two drivers and were LBA48 cmopatible. I found NONE for a reasonable price. However I did find Firewire b enclosures and purchased one. My computers all have both interfaces but if this box had Firewire I would've purchased it instead and had myself a nice network storage device instead of hanging my new box off of an existing computer. :-( As it is I may still purchase one to hack but it's not as useful and I see no Firewire version of it. Cooldrives.com was the site that I got my enclosure from as I recall - nice selection of stuff. I got the 4bay enclosure. The EBAY stuff is NOT LBA48 or doesn't support Firewire B...

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  86. Science geeks love elegance. by Thinkit4 · · Score: 1

    And metric is elegant. But it can be used with any base--decimal is only involved with prefixes. For me there's no point in getting mad at how things are. We're neither systematic nor hexadecimal fully. I just smile a bit when I hear about pints and (force) ounces.

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    1. Re:Science geeks love elegance. by DrVxD · · Score: 1

      > I just smile a bit when I hear about pints

      So do I. Beer comes in pints. Beer makes me smile...

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  87. Most replies? by j1m+5n0w · · Score: 1

    Maybe we can make slashdot history here twice. What's the record for most replies to a post? We're at 53 so far...

    -jim

    1. Re:Most replies? by britneys+9th+husband · · Score: 1

      We're nowhere near the record. The Post of Death from January 2002 got 268 direct replies. More recently, the latest issue of Trollback lists this comment which got 63 direct replies. I'm sure there are many others.

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  88. A different idea by kasperd · · Score: 1

    I have an idea where this box might come in handy. Say I want to bring my digital camera with me on vacation, and I will take lots of pictures. I think buying 10 flash cards for the camera is too expensive, so instead I would like to bring a USB harddisk and dump the pictures onto it once a day. So what I would need for this task is a device to which I can connect two USB devices. Is NSLU2 the right choice or is there something better?

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  89. Hacking and Cracking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > why is it that when you can hack into something running linux, it's cool. but when you can hack into something running windows it's a huge security flaw and microsoft is evil?

    Because you misunderstand the point of the story. This isn't about security at all, it's about "exploring the details of programmable systems and how to stretch their capabilities" - a phrase lifted straight out of the Jargon File's definition of Hacker. Hacking the NSLU2 involves trivial circumvention of security, yes, because you need a shell on the thing, but that's beside the point. The meat of the hacking is what's going on now in the NSLU2-linux group - getting Fedora (ie Redhat) to run on the thing. That certainly counts as "stretching the capabilities" of this little device to me.

  90. You are the winner! by Kingfox · · Score: 1

    You may pack up and leave now.