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Fantastic Four Animated Series

pillageplunder writes "CNN is reporting that Marvel Enterprises has cut a deal with Frances Antefilms Productions to make an animated TV Series based on the Marvel superheros.

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  1. Four again, and again, and again.. by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Informative

    No doubt to capitalize on the film (2005). (Which will hopefully turn out better than an earlier try (1994) Of course, us late boom kids will remember this animated series and try to overlook this one (1978), when PC and non-violence destroyed Saturday morning TV ("Oh dear, children might see Johnny erupt in flames and try to emulate their animated role model and pour gasoline all over themselves and strike a match! Won't someone please think of the children!')

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    1. Re:Four again, and again, and again.. by Slotty · · Score: 1

      Bah Herbie was a crap substitute fortunately they never re-ran this when I was a child

    2. Re:Four again, and again, and again.. by Starsmore · · Score: 1

      I'm far too lazy to search imdb, but I know that there was another animated series in the mid- to late-90s, that I enjoyed. Ran like three seasons, I think, and if I remember correctly, ran back to back with a sorta-okay Iron Man animated show.

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    3. Re:Four again, and again, and again.. by atrizzah · · Score: 1

      I liked both shows a lot. They were both decently true to the comics, much more show than X-men (Morph , anyone?). I think poor marketing killed both of those shows--FF was only shown on Sunday mornings where I lived.

    4. Re:Four again, and again, and again.. by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2, Interesting
      God.

      The '60's FF, Captain America and Spiderman....
      SLIDESHOWS! Some were taken from Jack Kirby panels, with an almost Gilliam-style of cut-and-paste animation applied.

      I worshiped this stuff at 4-5-6 years.

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    5. Re:Four again, and again, and again.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, read the imdb link you posted. It tells us that the Human Torch character was "just not legally available for use in these cartoons" because the TV rights had already been optioned.
      It wasn't political correctness, it was legal hassles.

    6. Re:Four again, and again, and again.. by azzl · · Score: 0, Redundant

      If you bothered to read your own link, you'd see that the Human Torch was not used due to licensing issues, not because of a PC network exec.

    7. Re:Four again, and again, and again.. by Starsmore · · Score: 1
      Well, from what I remember with the X-Men cartoon (didn't see alot of it cause I didn't get Fox where I lived at the time), they didn't quite shoot themselves in the foot. I liked how they killed off Morph in the first episode, then brought him back under the thumb of Mister Sinister.

      Of course, the introduction of the Technocracy & Warlock, along with the Phalanx, sucked balls. The Phalanx Covenant was probably my favorite crossover, cause it introduced Gen-X, my favorite team (if you can't tell from my nickname).

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    8. Re:Four again, and again, and again.. by Piscine+Disputant · · Score: 1

      Yes, I remember the 90s version. I could never decide whether I hated it more than the Iron Man toon of the same period. To this day the two battle in my mind for the title of "Weakest Marvel Cartoon Ever". Mind you, they both made me appreciate the 90s X-Men cartoon. It's a minor miracle that Marvel didn't **** that one up too badly. P.S. I remember laughing hysterically when the Atlanteans invaded New York in that 90s FF cartoon. The animators drew about 3 lame pseudo-tanks and maybe 8 or so troopers. And that was the mighty Atlantean army.

    9. Re:Four again, and again, and again.. by Zangief · · Score: 1

      More respect! their rendition of Galactus and the silver surfer still kicks ass after all those years!

      Maybe they shoudl consider rereleasing those as flash movies...

    10. Re:Four again, and again, and again.. by gmknobl · · Score: 1

      I loved the FF series of the 60s. It's funny how, in my mind, the animation is smooth and free flowing while other favorites like Astroboy (now THAT's and oldy) and Speed Racer remain jerky. Regardless of how the animation actually was my favorite part was always the wise-cracks delivered by "ol' blue eyes."

  2. one or four? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Title says "four animated series".
    Blurb says "an animated series".

    1. Re:one or four? by BenSpinSpace · · Score: 1

      Wait, is this a joke?

      Are you serious or kidding?

      "Fantastic Four" series. One.

      Moran.

    2. Re:one or four? by SamSim · · Score: 1

      It's an animated series about the Fantastic Four, not four animated series which are all fantastic.

    3. Re:one or four? by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Also says "Frances Antefilms". who's she?*
      And "Marvel superheros". What's a "heros"?**

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      [*Frances is a name; "France's" is a national possessive.
      **Plural of "hero" is "heroes".]

  3. Hrm... by GR1NCH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I first read this I was pretty excited... but to be honest I'm not so sure now. It seems like lately cartoon series' are really lacking. I mean look at the new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles compared to the old one... They chopped out so much of what make the Turtles so cool. I think its because they tried to adapt them more to pop culture. Hopefully they won't do the same to the Fantastic 4.

    Then again, maybe I'm just getting old.

    1. Re:Hrm... by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
      When I first read this I was pretty excited... but to be honest I'm not so sure now. It seems like lately cartoon series' are really lacking. I mean look at the new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles compared to the old one... They chopped out so much of what make the Turtles so cool. I think its because they tried to adapt them more to pop culture. Hopefully they won't do the same to the Fantastic 4.

      Maybe if Fox picks it up, we'll see Ralphie on the Simpsons douse himself with lighter fluid...

      Ralphie: "Look! I'm The Human Torch! Ha Ha Ha!"
      Chief Wiggum: "Hu hu hu! That's cute, Ralphie, now drop the book of matches. Ha ha ha! Ralphie, drop the matches.."
      Ralphie: "Whee!" *scritch* FOOM!

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    2. Re:Hrm... by Masker · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Wait a minute. You're complaining because TMNT looks all chopped up, and you think you're getting old?

      Christ. About 6 years ago, MTV started showing Speed Racer re-runs, and I thought: "Cool! I can relive part of my past by watching Speed Racer again! But, Pops, I know I can win the transcontinental race!"

      After trying to watch an episode, I realized that:

      1) There is no coherent plot to a Speed Racer episode; it's just a bunch of random clips all spliced together.
      2) I still didn't know if Trixie was Speed's sister, cousin, lover, whatever. And what was her relationship to Spike, the mechanic?
      3) Somehow I tolerated Chim-chim and the little brother (can't recall the name just now), but I don't know for the life of me how.
      4) You just can't go back.

      So, I know I'm getting old & crusty, but I think that if you watched TMNT as a kid, you're probably still too young to gripe about it. Sorry.

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    3. Re:Hrm... by Bull999999 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I still didn't know if Trixie was Speed's sister, cousin, lover, whatever.

      Maybe it was all of the above?

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    4. Re:Hrm... by AgentFred76 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It seems to me that movies like this have a higher possible failure rate due to the fact that the intended audience is split. Explanation: Fantastic four was a comic book decades ago when the adventures and characters seemed "Fatastical" and the enemies were distinct abstractions of curent relevant conditions. Now take those characters commit to the formula of failure: Old characters, in a modern setting with old enemies with agendas that no longer fit the current times. However... I think that given the current uncertain and violent world condition these situations could certainly be viable. And I'm not about to rule out the fact that escaping into an old favorite is a good cure for the occasional stressful day. :-)

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    5. Re:Hrm... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Interesting
      There's no coherence to most Japanese stuff. The ambiguousness is there, deal. Stop worrying about it...it's a symptom of the Western mind.

      Yeah, TMNT sucked pretty badly...I can't understand how anyone liked it. It's a pretty freaking far cry to call it 'classic'. The comic was okay, though, although when it was out and I was 15, I was a bit old for comic books.

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    6. Re:Hrm... by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      ...I actually have a DVD with 9 Speed Racer episodes on it. It's... interesting to watch again.

    7. Re:Hrm... by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      Yeah, TMNT sucked pretty badly...I can't understand how anyone liked it. It's a pretty freaking far cry to call it 'classic'. The comic was okay, though, although when it was out and I was 15, I was a bit old for comic books.

      TMNT were pretty dark in the original comics, after Eastman and Laird sold the comic it became all warm and fuzzy and cloying and sickening. The TMNT movie was more representative of the later direction of the characters.

      Old? Old? I got into comics when I was recovering from cancer and needed a cheer-up and distraction. Around the begining of TMNT it was being collected, like 90% of the rest of the comics, by adults (some even kept them mint in bags and never even read them: speculators) The comic book market is more like it is in Japan and Europe than most people are willing to admit, it's just more of this puritan denial sh!t that comics are only for kids.

      BTW I've actually got a couple of the original Eastman and Laird (b&w printed on pulp) TMNT comics in a box somewhere. Anyone know if they're worth more than I paid? ;-)

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    8. Re:Hrm... by Xaoswolf · · Score: 1
      The pizza shooter shoots sewer lids now, not pizza's.

      It's a fucking travesty...

    9. Re:Hrm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3) Sprittle

    10. Re:Hrm... by ACNiel · · Score: 1

      And still not to mention how chopped up the original cartoon was from the dark, underground, college campus comic that started it all.

      The cartoon was a pale comparison to the comic.

    11. Re:Hrm... by DavidBrown · · Score: 1

      1)In the Japanese original "Mach Go Go Go", the plot was ... NO! I won't go there.

      2)Trixie was part of the elaborate set of lies that Speed created to hide the fact that he was completely gay for Racer X, secretly his brother Rex Racer.

      3)You tolerated Spridle and Chim-chim because you were Spridle's age when you first watched Speed Racer. You didn't tolerate Spridle - you actually believed that he was cool.

      4)Some of us never left, and we need help.

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    12. Re:Hrm... by Digital_Mercenary · · Score: 1

      You must noot have seen the new Teen Titans or Batman series, it's not your father bam and pow anymore... plus I'm really impressed with the quality of animation as well as the humor/irony/adult references in today toons...

      "Flame On!"

    13. Re:Hrm... by Digital_Mercenary · · Score: 1

      Japanese anime is to complicated for it's own good... the stories are so convoluted and complicated and filled with subliminal messages it should be required viewing for all psychology 101 students.

      Reference:

      "Blue submarine 6" - Genetic manipulation will lead to world peace

      "Evangelion" - There not aliens! the us evolved a million years and come back to save us, by killing us all! Gee wiz how sweet...

    14. Re:Hrm... by jonnystiph · · Score: 1

      Yeah, TMNT sucked pretty badly...I can't understand how anyone liked it. It's a pretty freaking far cry to call it 'classic'. The comic was okay, though, although when it was out and I was 15, I was a bit old for comic books

      Did you read the comic before the Archie buy out? When the comic was still Eastman/Laird (somone correct my spelling).

      All in all, the orginal black and white turtle comics where very good. The Archie bought the rights and turned into what it is now, something not nearly as cool (except for the video game spin off, great game).

      The old comic was far more "adult" oriented. They have been re-released into grapchic novels and some still survive in the TMNT Roleplaying games (also much fun).

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    15. Re:Hrm... by mikji · · Score: 1

      >There's no coherence to most Japanese stuff. The ambiguousness is there, deal.
      >Stop worrying about it...it's a symptom of the Western mind.

      Some symptom.

    16. Re:Hrm... by docbob · · Score: 1

      You mean Speed Racer lived in Arkansa... The Doc

    17. Re:Hrm... by Rii · · Score: 0

      It's from Japan, not West Virginia.

    18. Re:Hrm... by rubberbando · · Score: 1

      When I first read this I was pretty excited... but to be honest I'm not so sure now. It seems like lately cartoon series' are really lacking. I mean look at the new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles compared to the old one... They chopped out so much of what make the Turtles so cool. I think its because they tried to adapt them more to pop culture. Hopefully they won't do the same to the Fantastic 4.

      I loved the original TMNT cartoon series as well. It took me a while to get used to the new one. As someone who also read the Mirage Comics that TMNT originally spawned from, I find it easier to appreciate the new series as most of the stories have been ripped from there.

      As for the new FF series, I'm not sure what to think. The problem with making a cartoon based on such an old comic book series would be deciding what should be used. You have purists who want as much of the original stories intact (some of which by today's standards may be too hokey). You also have people who want to make it 'modern' or 'hip' but usually bastardize the whole thing. Hopefully, a happy medium will be found, like with Batman:the animated series from 1992 (not this new piece of crap that just came out). Hmmm...maybe they could get Paul Dini to write it. ;-)

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  4. The Justice League? by One+of+the+abnormals · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Isn't this just like the Justice League series on Cartoon network, with Marvel characters? Wow, They're original.

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    1. Re:The Justice League? by techsoldaten · · Score: 1

      The Justice League is based on a comic that has been around at least since the 70's, with characters that have been around at least since the 30's. I do not see how any comic book show can be considered original.

      M

    2. Re:The Justice League? by SamSim · · Score: 1

      That would be more of a good thing. I haven't seen the new Justice League Extreme series, but Justice League was one of the best animated series I'd seen in a good long while. If the FF show compares then I'll be happy.

    3. Re:The Justice League? by pough · · Score: 1

      A timeline...

      1940 - Justice Society of America (later renamed to league)
      1961 - Fantastic Four
      2004 - One of the abnormals notices that superhero groups are unoriginal

    4. Re:The Justice League? by Sabaki · · Score: 1

      Seems appropriate, since Stan Lee created the Fantastic Four back in the 60s in response to DC's superhero team-ups being so popular.

    5. Re:The Justice League? by WWE-TicK · · Score: 1

      You probably mean Justice League Unlimited.

      And IMHO, it's not as good as the Justice Leage. I don't like format of the new JLU show. Instead of two-parter episodes, each episode is it's own 20 minute story (excluding commercials). This leads to stories that don't have as much depth and feel more "rushed" compared to the two-parter format of the JL series.

      They should go back to the old format.

  5. good news! by lawngnome · · Score: 1

    Sounds good... I just hope it dosent get delayed to death like the first version of the movie.

    1. Re:good news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      delayed death? please. have you SEEN that movie? it deserved to be clubbed with baby seals!

  6. What will they think of next? by tapin · · Score: 3, Funny
    What will they think of next? Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends?

    Maybe they'll go completely out on a limb and use Iceman or Spider-Woman.

    It'd be even better if Stan Lee did the narration.

    Boy, I can't wait!

    1. Re:What will they think of next? by BeesTea · · Score: 1

      This should really be mod'd funny.. all of these things have hapened.

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    2. Re:What will they think of next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You crack me up.

  7. Flying bathtub again? by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 3, Funny

    I wonder will the Fantastic Car be the same flying bathtub I remember from the old Fantasitc Four animated series. Anyone remember that? Gawd it was lame!

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    1. Re:Flying bathtub again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I wonder will the Fantastic Car be the same flying bathtub I remember from the old Fantasitc Four animated series. Anyone remember that? Gawd it was lame!

      I always thought it was a tricked out Oldsmobile convertable.

    2. Re:Flying bathtub again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was original. Check out the original comics in a reprint or something, their car was a flying bathtub.

      When John Byrne took over FF in the 80's and breathed new life into it, one of the improvements he made was to give the FF a much cooler flying car.

  8. Capitalism at it's finest... by Dominatus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "What we are trying to do with our major brands is to support them in every way possible," Marvel Studios chairman and CEO Avi Arad said. "To support the franchise between sequels, we'll have the animated series, the video games (through Activision) and the merchandise licensing. We are just elated to be reintroducing this huge property." And by "support" they obviously mean "suck dry"

    1. Re:Capitalism at it's finest... by nomadic · · Score: 1

      At least they're retaining some of their dignity.

      Remember in the 80's when they kept running ads for a Captain America musical? Hooo boy...

  9. Fantastic Four: The animated series by BobWeiner · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A Fantastic Four animated cartoon would be great -- tho no doubt the powers at be at Marvel will some how bastardize the TV version. Still, it's better to see the focus on characters other than the X-Men and Spiderman.

    Forget the whales, and bring back Power Man and Iron Fist!

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    1. Re:Fantastic Four: The animated series by ickypoo · · Score: 1

      Forget the whales, and bring back Power Man and Iron Fist!

      Ask and ye shall receive.

      Alternatively, you could just search IMDB for Avi Arad and find out what's on the list to be bastardized next.

  10. Re:I can't fucking believe this story. by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I can't fucking believe you people. Free speech is DEAD now that Indymedia has been raided and you guys want to talk about the Fantastic Four? For God's sake, people, GET SOME PRIORITIES!!
    Er, the Indymedia story has already been covered in the last article. What do you want? Another posting of the same article? Or are you trying to impersonate the Human Torch with your flaming?

    'Insightful' my ass!

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  11. Forget the Human Torch... by ewtrowbr · · Score: 2, Funny

    Bring back Herbie the Robot!!!

    1. Re:Forget the Human Torch... by Soko · · Score: 1

      Ya, so Ben Grimm can finally pount his little tin-can-smart ass into scrap.

      Man, I hated that blathering contraption.

      <troll>Bet Herbie was run on Windows Embedded. He was more irritating than fucking Clippy</troll>

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  12. Show a little respect by lavar78 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Isn't this just like the Justice League series on Cartoon network, with Marvel characters? Wow, They're original.
    A FF cartoon may not be all that original, but the FF is the group that put Marvel Comics on the map and revitalized the entire industry. Even Superman, Batman, and the rest of the Justice League owe a great deal to the Fantastic Four.
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    1. Re:Show a little respect by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Informative
      A FF cartoon may not be all that original, but the FF is the group that put Marvel Comics on the map and revitalized the entire industry. Even Superman, Batman, and the rest of the Justice League owe a great deal to the Fantastic Four.

      Fantastic 4 began, IIRC in the 60's. Batman and Superman date at least to the 30's, Wonder Woman the 40's. Fantastic 4 was effectively Marvel's answer to DC (original name: Detective Comics)

      Marvel kinda imploded between the late 80's and early 90's, verging on bankruptcy, when the comics market collapsed (like so many other fad markets) after overheating on about 47 million X characters and all their own lines of comics. Eventually they did some house cleaning and had some goofy war to re-establish a manageable core of characters, about as shameful as DC's death of Superman.

      can't believe I actually know this crap...

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    2. Re:Show a little respect by lavar78 · · Score: 1

      You missed my entire point. The comics industry was floundering when Fantastic Four #1 was released in 1961. The popularity of that book and those characters (along with later ones like Spider-Man and the Avengers) revitalized comics (including DC) and led to what is arguably the industry's most successful era. IOW, FF is like the NES of comics. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and the others might have faded into obscurity if it weren't for the FF.

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    3. Re:Show a little respect by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      You missed my entire point. The comics industry was floundering when Fantastic Four #1 was released in 1961

      Actually the comic market was in dire straits thanks to the attention of Congress and the acceptance by the industry of the Comics Code There's a reason people often refer to the late 40's and 50's as the Golden Age of comics. EC, the publisher of MAD suffered considerable as their stock in trade was drama and horror, much of which posed ethical dilemmas to readers.

      Creating a bunch of harmless super heroes who fought megalomaniacal (or just plain evil) villains was more acceptable and the industry had to find it's feet again. Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman were already pretty safe as they already fit the mould.

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    4. Re:Show a little respect by lavar78 · · Score: 1

      Well, now that I think about it some more, "floundering" wasn't the right word. The first appearance of Barry Allen (Showcase #4) was the start of the turnaround, but it really kicked into high gear when Marvel got involved.

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    5. Re:Show a little respect by Wildfire+Darkstar · · Score: 5, Informative

      Erm, no. Not really.

      The 1950s were a really bad decade for comics, as publishers substantially scaled back their output, and then the publicy outcry over some percieved link between comics and juvenile deliquency that led to the creation of the Comics Code Authority. All this is true, but the fact of the matter is that the situation had massive improved by the end of the decade.

      DC led the resurgence of the market by reviving a number of its older, 1940s era properties. The first among these was the Flash, but that was followed, in short order, by others, like Green Lantern, Hawkman, the Atom, and so on (Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman were, of course, still around, being just about the only characters to survive through the "dry" years). By 1960, things were looking good enough for DC to revive the Justice Society of America, which had been its main superhero team back in the 1940s. Updated to feature the new characters, and retitled the Justice League of America, it premiered in 1960, and was an immediate hit, moving very quickly from occassional appearances in one of DC's "showcase" books (Brave and the Bold) to its own title.

      The Fantastic Four, though quite successful, were latecomers to all of this. The traditional story goes that the publisher of Timely Comics, Martin Goodman, was playing a round of golf with Jack Liebowitz, DC's publisher. Liebowitz was bragging about the success of Justice League, and so Goodman's response was to immediately go to Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, who were on Timely's staff, and tell them to come up with Timely's own version of the JLA, changed just enough so as to avoid raising the ire of DC's lawyers.

      Published under the new name of Marvel, Fantastic Four was the publisher's first big success since the 1940s, and propelled Lee and Kirby to the forefront of the genre. It allowed Timely/Marvel to start investing more effort into superhero comics, and paved the way for such titles as Spider-Man, the Hulk, and X-Men. So it was important, in the long view, but it did not save the industry. It was merely another entry into a comic book renaissance that was already well under way by that time.

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  13. Correction by eseiat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "What we are trying to do with our major brands is to support them in every way possible," Marvel Studios chairman and CEO Avi Arad said.

    This should actually read, "What we are trying to do with our major brands is whore them out to all suitors and make as much money as possible from them, thereby turning everyone's childhood memories against their pocket books, and allowing us to swim in the vast pools of money we have always dreamed of."

  14. Spelling. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Still looks like editors don't seem to do their job. Shouldn't that be "heroes"?

  15. Does this indicate there's nothing new to do? by goneutt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Okay, there have been plenty of bad, and a few good, take offs of marvel comics. Is the proliferation of marvel movies because it's profitable or because they can't write a new idea.

    I hope they actually kill people in the new animated series. If batman woulda just frick'n killed the joker he woulda saved gotham millions.(This is why Cowboy Bebop kicks ass)

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    1. Re:Does this indicate there's nothing new to do? by nizo · · Score: 1
      Is the proliferation of marvel movies because it's profitable or because they can't write a new idea.

      Yes to both. When was the last time we saw a "super hero" in a popular movie on the big screen that wasn't copied from a comic book?

    2. Re:Does this indicate there's nothing new to do? by SamSim · · Score: 1

      Something of a tangent, and something of a ***spoiler***, but in the animated movie Batman Beyond: Return Of The Joker, the Joker does indeed get killed. Twice. It's actually a pretty good movie, I recommend it.

    3. Re:Does this indicate there's nothing new to do? by DavidBrown · · Score: 1

      I hope they actually kill people in the new animated series. If batman woulda just frick'n killed the joker he woulda saved gotham millions.(This is why Cowboy Bebop kicks ass)

      I can't imagine any American animation depicting a woman pretending to be pregnant while smuggling highly illegal and dangerous drugs under her maternity dress. Except the Venture Bros. And that was just the first episode of Cowboy Bebop.

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    4. Re:Does this indicate there's nothing new to do? by The+G+Man · · Score: 1

      But if you can, get the unedited version, it makes more sense (they took out some of the violence and creepy plot stuff after Columbine). I give it 2 thumbs up.

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    5. Re:Does this indicate there's nothing new to do? by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      I can't imagine any American animation depicting a woman pretending to be pregnant while smuggling highly illegal and dangerous drugs under her maternity dress.

      Why not? South Park has depicted events 20 times more offensive!

    6. Re:Does this indicate there's nothing new to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If batman woulda just frick'n killed the joker he woulda saved gotham millions.


      See that? Way off in the distance? That tiny dot? It's the whole point of Batman. And here you are, very far from it.

    7. Re:Does this indicate there's nothing new to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he woulda saved gotham millions.(This is why Cowboy Bebop kicks ass)

      Wrong. In Cowboy Bebop, they tried not to kill too. The team only got paid for bounties that come in ALIVE.

    8. Re:Does this indicate there's nothing new to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the whole point of Batman.

      I thought the whole point of batman was to show that people with lots of money aren't always evil, but everyone who is physically deformed is.

      Batman *SUCKED*.. "My super power is... I have lots of money! What do I do? I rid the world of ugly people."

      Give me a break.

    9. Re:Does this indicate there's nothing new to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're Canadian

    10. Re:Does this indicate there's nothing new to do? by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      AC: They're Canadian

      No, they're Californian. But both California and Canada are part of America, so it really doesn't matter.

  16. Lame Turtles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    They chopped out so much of what make the Turtles so cool. I think its because they tried to adapt them more to pop culture.

    Turtles were bought by Archie Comics and when that happened you knew they were going to be cool and hip and utterly, utterly awful.

  17. New Marvel 'What If" series coming soon? by randomErr · · Score: 1

    Imagine an animated version of "What The". Aelita and crew VS Warlock. How about Funky Cops vs Mojo?

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    No- we get "The Ability To Post will Be Available In The Mysterious Future" for 20 minutes, then 2 minutes of "Nothing for you to see here. Please move along", and then we can post. Oh yeah- and a link to e-mail the on-duty editor in case of a serious enough problem for the story to be yanked- I've had a couple of dupes yanked that way.

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  19. Justice League by bholub · · Score: 1

    A few months ago (before I got rid of TV) I found myself watching (and enjoying) Justice League on Cartoon network quite a bit. It was on just before the switch to Adult Swim which was an ideal timeslot for me.

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    1. Re:Justice League by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      A few months ago (before I got rid of TV) I found myself watching (and enjoying) Justice League on Cartoon network quite a bit. It was on just before the switch to Adult Swim which was an ideal timeslot for me.

      About the Wonder Twins...

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    2. Re:Justice League by Starsmore · · Score: 1
      Ever see those PSA-like things Cartoon Network ran for awhile like a year or two ago?

      They'd just have various old school characters kvetching about something...

      Fred was whining about how Daphne never returned his phonecalls and stuff, basically stalking her, which was funny, and the guy from the Wonder Twins (Jace, I think) was bitching about his craptastic ability to turn into water.

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  20. as long as... by mforbes · · Score: 3, Funny

    they don't 'baby-ize' it like that godawful teen titans series.

    Honestly, I take umbrage at that piece of crap. The comic I remember from back in the 80s was dark and ominous-- not cute and cuddly.

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    1. Re:as long as... by JimmehAH · · Score: 1

      Wasn't every comic in the 80s like that, or did I miss the joke?

    2. Re:as long as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It's not baby-ized, that's a style and I like it. I also like how they do "chibi" versions of the characters sometimes.

      If it were baby-ized, Raven wouldn't be pissed off and irritable all the time.

      Don't worry, they will probably do another TT series later with a different style. How many X-Men cartoon series have there been by now?

    3. Re:as long as... by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

      She's pissed off and irritable in a cute, funny, harmless Goth sort of way. No real emotional conflict (that we see, anyway. Having her whine a little about keeping her power in check doesn't count). Then again, the latest new ep about that book thing might change that. Still, I usually hate episodic shows unless they're brilliant (Cowboy Bebop), so I'm biased.

      As for X-men, 3. 2 if you don't count the one that only got made as a pilot. I liked the first pilot, the second series was just lazy and I could take or leave the third (again, lots of lazy writing. Come'on folks, if you've got the chance to write a TV series put some effort into it).

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  21. Am I Alone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anyone else except me ever wonder about Mr. Fantastic and many ways his stretching power can be applied in sexual ways?

    1. Re:Am I Alone? by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why does that remind me of a particular shock site? I can't believe how slashdot has corrupted my mind.

    2. Re:Am I Alone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, this has been addressed in the comic book line a couple times...

    3. Re:Am I Alone? by pedantic+bore · · Score: 1
      ...ever wonder about Mr. Fantastic and many ways his stretching power can be applied in sexual ways?

      Does anyone ever think about anything else?

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    4. Re:Am I Alone? by Starsmore · · Score: 1
      Or the Invisible Woman!

      C'mon, it'd be the ultimate way to get away with sex in public! Throw up an invisible wall, bow chicka chicka bow bow, and then hope no one slips in it.

      Of course, that reminds me of that Superman/Wonderwoman joke, too.

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    5. Re:Am I Alone? by darylp · · Score: 1

      No wonder Sue has to be invisible. It's the only way to escape his lecherous advances and avoid permanent internal damage.

    6. Re:Am I Alone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the Invisible Woman!

      Or the Invisible Man. (See his outrageous sex scene in the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen comic)

  22. Who was fan of this comic series? by anactofgod · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I dunno. I never could get into this series of comic books. X-men, Spiderman, Hulk, The West Coast Avengers...I liked almost every other Marvel series better than F4. Two of the four team members (Reed and Sue Richards) had lame superpowers and the plots seemed kinda hokey and dated.

    Johnny was alright. And Ben Grimm/Thing was good in his own series...esp those times he faced off with The Hulk.

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    1. Re:Who was fan of this comic series? by redtux1 · · Score: 1

      When did you read it?

      Afraid FF have suffered more than mot at the hands of hack writers

      To appreciate them you need to read

      lee/kirby
      John Byrne

      and especially any crossver with the X-men during Claremonts reign

    2. Re:Who was fan of this comic series? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Reed Richards didn't have the most amazing powers, but he was the gadget-master for the group. He had more gadgets than Iron Man, and his gadgets drove many of the plots.

      My favorite Reed Richards moment was in a John Byrne comic: he was trapped in a seemingly solid cell (by an enemy who knew he could easily stretch to escape an ordinary cell with bars). But there was a single rivet hole with no rivet. He sat there, and meditated, and relaxed, and r-e-l-a-x-x-e-d, and poured himself through the rivet hole. With good writing, even a lame power can be interesting.

      Sue originally just had the invisibility, but later on they decided to grow her a bit and she gained the ability to make force fields. She even began to be able to use the force fields to do things: push things around, pick things up, attack things. I'm pretty sure that the cartoon will have the force-fields version of the character.

  23. Re:I can't fucking believe this story. by pavon · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can't fucking believe you people. Free speech is DEAD now that Indymedia has been raided and you guys want to talk about the Fantastic Four? For God's sake, people, GET SOME PRIORITIES!!

    No you have it all wrong. It's times like this when the Fantastic Four are needed more than ever to protect our liberty! At last a returning glimmer of hope on the horizon! Onward our brave superheros - Onward to freedom!

  24. What we REALLY need... by BaltikaTroika · · Score: 2, Funny
    Who cares about the Fantastic Four? What the people are truly demanding is a live-action Q-Bert movie!

    BaltikaTroika

  25. Re:STOP your fucking TROLLING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    other speculation at the time was that there had been a falling out between Johnny and the other three and left. There's plenty of other rumors, too.

  26. Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was iceman and Firestar, not spider-woman.

    I liked the show, mostly because it didn't have the Hulk, and I don't like the Hulk.

    It wasn't actually very good.

  27. Will the show run like the Mainframe Spider-Man? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems nobody noticed, but the Mainframe version was pretty good, both in stories and technology. Too bad Mainframe never make cartoons in sufficient quantities. Hopefully this F4 series won't be a dumbed-down kiddie cartoon.

  28. Remember when... by nsample · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...an "animated TV series" used to be abbreviated as "cartoon?" Those were the days.

  29. Will it be as good as the old Spiderman cartoon? by jerkychew · · Score: 4, Funny

    Tell your Tivo to grab "Spiderman and His Amazing Friends", the old cartoon series that (I believe) Fox Family is re-running. It's awesome. I don't mean awesome in that it's a good show; I mean awesome in an MST3K-type way.

    Basically, Spiderman has 2 friends/ roommates. Firestarter is this hot chick that turns into a fireball at a moment's notice and burns everything in her path. As an added bonus, she has a permanent cameltoe.

    Then there's Iceman, the other roommate who can (you guessed it) turn into a frozen bald guy that looks strikingly like Silver Surfer, and freeze everything in his path.

    The best part about this show (besides the aforementioned cameltoe) is the shoestring budget it must have had. The voice of Iceman is the same dude that voiced Fred in the Scooby Doo cartoon. But what's funny is that he's also the voice of virtually every erroneous character in the show. He doesn't even try to mask it. New bad guy? Give him Iceman's voice. Shopkeeper at the local store? Iceman.

    The show is great fun to watch, especially while drinking. I highly recommend it to everyone. Let's hope that this F4 cartoon is slightly higher quality... or if it sucks, let's hope it's the same level of sucktitude that envelops Spidey and his amazing friends. Either way, we win.

  30. The Fear I have for this by The_Myth · · Score: 1

    Is that the people making it will turn out another exceedingly crap version of the Fantastic Four. If they cater this to late teens / late 20's instead of 11 and 12 year olds they might actually have a story that is worth watching.

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  31. lamest...cartoon...ever by fermion · · Score: 1
    The fantastic four was part of a generations of cartoons that were just lame. At least for kids. IIRC, the basic dynamic of the show was a roommate situation and the villian destroying was not nearly the highest priority. It was all about relationships and feeling and that kind of crap. Which would be fine except it took itself too seriously.

    Other cartoons of this period still make good money because they appeal to the adolescent male. The fantastic four just doesn't.

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  32. How about... by Aexia · · Score: 2

    Unbreakable?

    There was also this little known art-house flick.

    Roger Ebert seemed to like this film.

    1. Re:How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Matrix

  33. Re:Will it be as good as the old Spiderman cartoon by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 3, Funny

    Firestarter is this hot chick that turns into a fireball

    That's FireSTAR, you philistine!

  34. Anyone else? by BackwardHatClub · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Am I the only one here who remembers a Fantastic Four series from about 10 years ago? Ran back to back with Iron Man usually? In my market it was on Sunday mornings at 6AM (great time slot). I just looked through this whole thread and I didn't see one mention of this cartoon, now I'm wondering if I'm the only one who remembers it.

  35. I always thought that... by Xaoswolf · · Score: 4, Funny
    The fantast 4 were gayest superheroes ever...

    Lets take a look.

    You have a man who can stretch any part of his body

    A man who is rock hard

    and a man who is rather flaming

    And none of the team can see the only woman because she is invisible.

    Totally gay...

    1. Re:I always thought that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to go out on a date, homophobe. Then you won't spend so much time sitting around, thinking up shit like this.

    2. Re:I always thought that... by IndependentVik · · Score: 1

      Brodie, is that you?

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    3. Re:I always thought that... by cityslicker · · Score: 0

      It's a recurring theme. Everybody knows Racer X was kicked out of the house by Pops Racer, but did you ever stop to wonder WHY? Look at that SUIT ! Pops couldn't handle the truth that his son was GAY !

    4. Re:I always thought that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to go out on a date, homophobe.

      Didn't strike me as being particularly homophobic. How do you know he wasn't gay anyway?

      Saying something or someone is gay isn't necessarily an insult, unless you have a low opinion of gay people.

      OTOH, anyone who routinely describes inanimate objects, or situations as "gay" is a twat.

    5. Re:I always thought that... by Xaoswolf · · Score: 1
      what if that person actually is gay, and is refering to all the gay things that go on between him and his gay lover?

      Or what if he is talking a bout a statue of two men having sex and saying that it is gay?

  36. What If -- What The.. by ackthpt · · Score: 1

    What If, IIRC was crossover stuff, What the... was self parody. I've got several of the early What the... comics, which had some pretty funny send-ups. Once they got through most of the line it became a too much of a stretch other than an occasional gem later on. The Pulverizer was pretty hilarious.

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    1. Re:What If -- What The.. by Starsmore · · Score: 1
      What If? wasn't so much crossover, but taking existing storylines in a different direction...

      A couple of issues that come to mind are 'What If..... Gwen Stacy didn't die?' and 'What If.... Rogue got the Mjolnir?'

      There were a bunch of interesting ones, and if my old collection of comic books hasn't been tossed already, I still have some.

      Of course, if Marvel hadn't killed decent comics with shitty writers, then took those same ideas and just redid existing characters to be 'hip', 'with it' and 'teen angsty', I'd prolly still be buying Marvel comics.

      Of course, once they started doing one huge crossover a summer, where you had to buy every issue of their lineup (like 16 different books) for several months on end, that might have helped too.

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    2. Re:What If -- What The.. by schon · · Score: 1

      "What the?!" was pretty much hit-and-miss, even from the beginning.. I laughed myself silly when I saw "The Black Pantster" - althought he only appeared in one episode, but regular stuff like "Peter Porker, The Amazing Spider-Ham" was just dreck, right from the start.

      IIRC they did a story about Superman, which I thought was pretty funny, although I don't remember very much about it except they were making fun of Byrne's "More real" Superman (growing a beard in a few minutes, etc.)

      It reminded me a lot of SNL, some good bits, some bad, with the occasional guest star that seemed interesting.

    3. Re:What If -- What The.. by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      IIRC they did a story about Superman, which I thought was pretty funny, although I don't remember very much about it except they were making fun of Byrne's "More real" Superman (growing a beard in a few minutes, etc.)

      I've been a fan of the early MAD comics, which parodied many super heroes, including Batman and Robin (Batboy and Rubin), Superman (Superduperman), Plastic Man (Plastic Sam)

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    4. Re:What If -- What The.. by mink · · Score: 1

      The best thing about that PArody (Superman vs FF) was then complaining that it was impossible to write funny Thing dialog that didnt sound like "normal" thing dialog.

      Also I seem to recall the Black Panster putting in 2 appearances over the entire run, but alas my comic collection was stolen and I have to re-collect everything again. Anyone got a spare Punisher War Journal #1?

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  37. I already caught my mistake by lavar78 · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I already realized I made a mistake and mentioned that earlier. Thanks, though.

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  38. Raster and the mandrake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would like to see cartoons of our favorite linux developers, authors, and basic nerds. Geeks in space only visual.

  39. Re:Hrm...start Comic Book Guy Mode... by DavidBrown · · Score: 3, Insightful

    These movies are really ONLY for the established fanbase, and for those who feel a sense of nostalgia when they were in the fan base. That's why "Daredevil" didn't do so well - all four Daredevil fans watched the file, several times each, and two of them made webpages dissecting the plot and character changes made while bringing Daredevil to the big screen, but that just wasn't enough to carry the film. If you didn't already care about Daredevil (seriously, he's a third-string Marvel hero for God's sake, and except for the Elektra saga, hardly deserved his own book), you wouldn't bother seeing it. I went only because I know one of the actors in it (who, incidentally, did a bang-up job, but I'm not here to drop names).

    What were the exceptions to comicbook films that suck? Superman (everyone loves Superman, but even the third film was really, really bad) and Batman (everyone remembers watching Adam West and Burt Ward on the TV show, but after a couple of films, this series went deep south too). Spiderman and X-Men (the first string Marvel books that everyone who has read comics has read). Every other adaptation has been a niche-market film. There are alot of great comics out there (Grant Morrison run of Doom Patrol, Neil Gaiman's Sandman, Thieves and Kings, insert your own here), but only the comics with established widespread appeal are going to succeed in the theater.

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  40. Any chance of seeing the 1994 Fantastic Four Movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The first Fantastic Four was made in 1994 but never released because unbeknown to the cast and crew, the movie was never intended to be released, and was made only because the studio who owned the rights to make a Fantastic Four movie would have lost the rights if they did not begin production by a certain date.

  41. Yeah, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The other day I was daydreaming about a Spiderman-like Silver Surfer movie.

    That would be cool.

    Oh, that Chinese basketball player could play Galactus... :-)

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  42. The old Spiderman cartoon rocked!! by Drunken_Jackass · · Score: 2, Informative

    That is still my favorite cartoon from when i was a kid. That and G.I.Joe (a real american hero, you know - and knowing is half the battle).

    I was pretty impressed with the new Spiderman CG series that appeared on MTv after the first movie. Besides being voiced by some bad choices - Ian Ziering from Beverly Hills 90210 voiced Harry, and Jewel was MJ, and Peter Parker was voiced by Doogie Howser MD it was a good series that served as a good arc between movies.

    However, they did have some fresh villians - one of the things that the first Spiderman series (with Iceman and Firestorm), and the animation was really cool - especially all of the self casting shadows.

    If this new cartoon (let's face it, they're still cartoons) is as good as that.

    I also think you can get the new series on DVD now.

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    1. Re:The old Spiderman cartoon rocked!! by JoeNiner · · Score: 1

      MJ is voiced by Lisa Loeb, not Jewel. And it is a pretty good show :)

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  43. Re:I can't fucking believe this story. by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 1
    Like Bush and the Flipflopper. Not some freaking cartoon character.

    First you say that you do want Bush. And then in the next sense, you say don't. Stop fipflopping.
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  44. Re:Will it be as good as the old Spiderman cartoon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'll be better off with the Mainframe's Spidey series. Too bad it was so darn short.

  45. it won't be as cool... by sammy+baby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No matter what they do, the show won't be as cool as the spoof of the Fantastic Four on The Venture Brothers. Here's a thought: ever wonder what it would be like to be constantly on fire? They did. It'd suck.

    1. Re:it won't be as cool... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really funny episode... There are some tiny screencaps of it here: http://my.voyager.net/~ckarath/blog0409.html#04091 8d

  46. Oh great... by MisterTeabag · · Score: 1

    Cue the H.E.R.B.I.E jokes...

  47. Third time's a charm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I the only one that remembers The Marvel Action Hour from 1994-1995? A more recent (than the 60's) Fantastic Four animated series was aired back to back with Iron Man.
    I remember McDonald's or Burger King... I forget which, but some fast food place was giving out Fantastic Four toys in their Happy Meals. I remember The Invisible Woman would change from transparent to opaque when dunked in warm water.
    http://imdb.com/title/tt0187635/

  48. Sean Baby's Superfriend's Page by conan776 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Obligatory link to Sean Baby's Superfriend's Page.

    If you recall that show, click that link and prepare to crack up.

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    1. Re:Sean Baby's Superfriend's Page by Starsmore · · Score: 2, Funny
      *returns from reading seanbaby's page*

      Oh god, it hurts from trying not to laugh my head off while still at work. :)

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  49. Re:STOP your fucking TROLLING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like Johnny was upset for being outed as a flamer ...

  50. No. It's just you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do you think Sue called him "Mr. Fantastic"?

  51. Power Man and Iron Fist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, man! I completely forgot about those two!

    They were great - but didn't Iron Fist die?

    1. Re:Power Man and Iron Fist by BobWeiner · · Score: 1

      The Fist died, but Byrne retconned him back in the pages of Namor a number of years ago. The Iron Fist resurrection subplot ran for 22 issues beginning with Namor #8.

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    2. Re:Power Man and Iron Fist by mink · · Score: 1

      I have to check this out.

      I really wish there was a Heros for Hire type show.

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  52. Plot and coherence by DreadSpoon · · Score: 1

    " There's no coherence to most Japanese stuff." ... What? Have you even watched a decent Anime series? The vast majority of the ones I watch are very heavily plot based. As in, you don't want to miss an episode, 'cause you really *will* be wondering what the heck happened.

    Not like most western series, where there is little to no continuity. You can run the episodes in any order, because nothing actually changes between them. Each is a neat little package, with some interesting/funny content in each, but the whole doesn't make anything meaningful in the least.

    Good anime series are like TV mini-series; there are a limited number of episodes, possibly enough to make a single "season", in which each episode unfolds more and more plot. String all the episodes together and you have a (long) movie.

    You need to start looking into better series if you think all of them are like Speed Racer. My experience is that they're just the opposite.

    1. Re:Plot and coherence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So if I string together a whole season of pokemon and/or dragonball, will it form a paragraph worth of plot?

      I somehow doubt it.

    2. Re:Plot and coherence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pokemon and Dragonball are in the same vein as speedracer, and many western cartoon series.. If you really want some Anime with plots, try Lain, Noir, Hellsing, .//hack sign, etc.

      Most of these if you HAVEN'T watched the intro eps will leave you wondering 'who the **** is ' and 'why does so and so like/dislike them?'

    3. Re:Plot and coherence by Abreu · · Score: 1

      Problem with Dragonball was that Akira Toriyama was so frequently late with the manga(comic book) instalments of the story, that in several occasions the animated series caught up with the manga, forcing the producers to do "filler" episodes, or even worse, prolong fights ad infinitum. I think the most hilarious/pathetic example of this was at the end of the Freezer saga, when supposedly the story arc was about to end, the narrator says "planet Namek will explode in five minutes!", and then due to the Author being late with the rest of the story, the "last five minutes of planet Namek", last for about 15 chapters!

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  53. anyone here remember JACK KIRBY ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    im surprised that no-one has mentioned the amazing artwork Jack Kirby did for the Fantastic Four in the 60's -

    for me, the Galactus - Silver Surfer arc is perhaps the high point of Marvel comic-dom -

    bringing Jack Kirby's vision of this tale to the large, or small screen has the potential, if handled properly, to be one of the greatest comic-based movies of all, imho -

    http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/27.html/

    so if they get the first movie right, (where we have another great character Dr. Doom, a super-villain with diplomatic immunity !) FF2 should be worth waiting for...

  54. Re:I can't fucking believe this story. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hear it's on the march.

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  56. Re:What's with this crap? by BottleCup · · Score: 1

    I agree. They should come up with movies based more on realistic cartoons such as Hackles and User Friendly.

  57. The animated series we ALL WANT TO SEE! by Chris+Tucker · · Score: 1
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  58. Re:I can't fucking believe this story. by Zangief · · Score: 1

    Yeah, Free Speech is dead.

    Now is better to your health to be talking about the Fantastic Four.

    Hey, do you remember when Doctor Doom conquered earth, and was actually a benevolent dictator? and solved problems like hunger and war and crime?

    Cool!

  59. It's been done... by Sean+the+Impaler · · Score: 2, Informative


    http://www.tvtome.com/FantasticFour/ (circa 1994)

    And maybe once more before that???

    http://www.tvtome.com/NewFantasticFour/ (circa 1978)

    But wait, there's more!

    http://www.tvtome.com/FantasticFour_1967/ (circa 1967)

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  60. Re:I think it was FOX by Sean+the+Impaler · · Score: 1

    Here's a couple links below about the mid-90s Fantastic Four series. I recall watching them on FOX, back to back with Iron Man. IMHO, the early/mid-90s Marvel animated series (X-Men, Spiderman, Iron Man, Fantastic Four) were the best that Marvel has pushed out so far, at least in my lifetime.

    http://hometown.aol.com/drg4/ffx.html?f=fs

    http://www.tvtome.com/FantasticFour/

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  61. Re:Any chance of seeing the 1994 Fantastic Four Mo by racerx509 · · Score: 1

    I've seen the movie, and it is without doubt, the worst movie ever made. It was rightfully not released. Its pitiful. Pitiful bad but bad in an MST3k way. I recommend watching it with copious amounts of booze. It was leaked onto your favorite .torrent and file sharing app just last year. If you watch it, it only makes you wonder who had to suck whose member in hollywood for this film to be greenlit.

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  62. TO OLD????? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    are you sure you came to the right news area cause i mean come on... a nerd to old for comics, or are you lying so you seem cool to try and find a girl on here... once again wrong place no women

    sheesh man this is /. what are you trying to pull..
    wait i just figured it out :O you work for the RIAA or SCO dont you

  63. Re:I can't fucking believe this story. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What do you want? Another posting of the same article?

    You must be new here.

  64. The Thing and The Hulk by Mycroft999 · · Score: 1

    Ever see the graphic novel where they both got kidnapped by an alien. They end up on a world where they watch news footage of Earth's superheroes as some kind of horror-reality series.

    Grimm gets all dressed up as a disquise and keeps getting recognized, while Hulk just puts some unconcious squidlike alien on his head like a hat and nobody every knows him.

    The Thing actually manages to conince Hulk that talking your way out of trouble is a viable alternative which leads to the Hulk putting a load of bad guys to sleep when he bores them for hours with things like "shiney brass buttons in the sun hurt your eyes."

    Hilarious!

  65. Re; Fantastic Four by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reed Richards is elastic!
    Sue can fade from sight!
    Johnny is the human torch!
    The Thing just loves to fight!
    Oh call for more!
    Fantastic Four!

  66. Re:Any chance of seeing the 1994 Fantastic Four Mo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can second that. Definetly have at least 6 beers before hitting "play". It is B-A-D!

  67. My Blanket! by Laebshade · · Score: 1

    Then I guess that TMNT blanket I still have that's about 14 (a little less, like 12?) years old sucks. I still like TMNT even though I'm 21, but I don't like the new series. And yes, I'll post pictures when I get home. Check on my website for updates about 10 hours from now (8:00 p.m. EDT).

  68. It's not a spoof of FF... by Faw · · Score: 1

    ..it is actually a spoof of Johnny Quest.

    1. Re:It's not a spoof of FF... by mink · · Score: 1

      There is a particular episode where Dr Venture and 2 other characters get hired at Amazing Industries. The owner Mr. Amazing is quite like Reed Richards and then they go and parody the rest of the FF.

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    2. Re:It's not a spoof of FF... by stankyho · · Score: 1

      While Venture Bros is a spoof of Johnny Quest and The Hardy Boys. The poster was refering to an episode of the Venture Bros. Where Dr. Venture went to work with another scientist, whose team was like the Fantastic Four. He had the stretch ability and his wife's skin was the only part of her that could be invisible. The one guy was always in flames if he became in contact with the air. Running around yelling Ahhhh! IT BURNS IT BURNS!!!

      Very funny.

      Go Team Venture!

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  69. The FF was original by Augoeides · · Score: 1

    I may be wrong, but I think the FF was, in fact, original in that it wasn't merely a bunch of superheroes who had started off with their own comics and had been thrown together. The FF is a family of superheroes and the emphasis in their comic was a focus on this family aspect. I'm not going to say that personal relationships between superheroes weren't mentioned earlier (look at Batman and Robin), but I can think of no comic in which it was the focus (at least not before FF).

  70. Re:Will it be as good as the old Spiderman cartoon by FurryFeet · · Score: 1

    Yeah, whatever. Cameltoe screenshot, please?

  71. Re:I can't fucking believe this story. by FurryFeet · · Score: 1

    'Insightful' my ass!

    Goatse man? Is that you?

  72. Re:Will it be as good as the old Spiderman cartoon by stankyho · · Score: 1

    So what happens to all those "ice roads" or whatever that Iceman has to make to slide around on? Do they just kinda melt making a big watery mess. Or as they melt do big chunks of ice fall on people and cars?

    Always wondered about that.

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