Lucas Also Plans
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Anonymous Coward
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To receive the Lifetime Achievement Award Special Edition in 2005, and the Super Extended Lifetime Achievement Award Special Edition Platinum in 2014.
Re:Lucas Also Plans
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feidaykin
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Yeah, in a recent interview, Lucas said:
"I was only about 40% happy with the original award. There were things we just couldn't do when I first got it. The new award, I am 95% happy with. The fans of the awards may take some issue with it, but the award is for me, not them."
Spoiling the joke by explaining it here: The 40% figure is what Lucas said about how happy he was with the original Star Wars when it was finished in 1977. He then went on to say he was 95% happy with Episode I. Which proves that the less happy he is with a film, the more happy everyone else is...;)
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Re:Lucas Also Plans
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Anonymous Coward
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Well yes. But it also indicates that he's probably like Rain Man since he can whip out figures like that from his head and actually quantify his gut feelings. Must be something ALL "comic book guys" can relate to.;P
Considering Yoda was Frank Oz, I don't know what good it would do to have Jim Henson around. Of course, it would be interesting to hear his take on the crapitude of the Muppet movies since he died...
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Yawn. Who cares? A lifetime achievement award for making a bunch of low-quality plot-recipe movies and becoming stinking rich as a result; and we have to give him an award?
That's just the sad thing of this award. If the film industry had realized the long ranging impact of the 3 originals, they probably would have handed Lucas the award in the 80s. By now recieving an award doesn't make any sense because of low quality prequals, etc... but how can you know something is a classic in less than 10 years?
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Re:I will.
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mankey+wanker
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Hey, I practically hate most of the guy's movies - but let's not forget what Lucas has done for special effects, cinema sound, etc. Somehow he was also partly responsible for the film "Mishima" which I think is quite brilliant. "American Graffiti" wasn't bad either.
But anyway, the next time the special effects appear to be seemless and the sound quality vibrates your theater seat - remember Lucas for caring about that stuff. He's certainly moved some things along which is more than most people do.
Then again, you should thank Lucas for that as well as he and Skywalker Ranch are very involved with old film preservation and restoration (though not into preserving his own films...but that's beside the point here...but perhaps after he's gone, Skywalker Ranch will "restore" the original 1977 Star Wars...hey, stranger things have happened.)
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Re:I will.
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Anonymous Coward
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but let's not forget what Lucas has done for special effects, cinema sound, etc.
He deserves a special award because he looked at the current state of audio and video and turned his nose up at it and demanded more money be spent on more technology? Sounds like he simply demanded a higher level of medium in which to do his work, he had a team of guys do their homework then slap his company name on the project and declare "if you don't have THX then you are nothing, btw, it costs $90,000 to for a license to use THX, thanks in advance".
Just because the first invented a stop sign doesn't mean they would never have been invented.
Yawn. Who cares? A lifetime achievement award for making a bunch of low-quality plot-recipe movies and becoming stinking rich as a result; and we have to give him an award?
I liked his movies a lot, especially as a kid.:-) Ahh, those were the days...!
Only as I've grown older I'm seeing the flaws in his movies, but who's to say a prize should only be given because adults don't like something. I doubt these movies were intended for adults after all, because of the clearly defined "good and evil" so even very young people understand what's going on.
I can't speak for him being worthy this award or not, but given the right audiences (and I don't think it's particularly small), it's a masterpiece.
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Just because the first invented a stop sign doesn't mean they would never have been invented.
So being first deserves no credit in your mind? Somebody else probably would have applied the concepts of calculus to phyics, but Newton gets quite a bit of respect for having done it first
I didn't mean to inadvertantly compare Lucas to Newton though, oops...
Don't forget he contributed to the Indiana Jones movies as well. He also invented through his studios some technical achievments for movies. Probably the rationale here.
I take good movies in black and white with mono sound over bad movies with excelent visual and sound effects.
It's not just stupid blockbusters. ILM type effects, as they trickle down to cheaper and cheaper production companies, have a huge influence on movies high and low, probably the largest change in the look of films since French New-Wave techniques. "Amelie" used CGI effects in nearly every scene (if just to increase contrast), low-budget "Eurotrip" inserted the Tower of London to a scene of Prague, to avoid the budget hit of a trip to London. Cannes award winner "Oldboy" used computer effects to visualize memories. I don't have to mention "Lord of the Rings."
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"Yawn. Who cares? A lifetime achievement award for making a bunch of low-quality plot-recipe movies and becoming stinking rich as a result; and we have to give him an award?"
Like or hate Star Wars, it's hard to ignore the whole bit about ILM's advances in visual FX.
" "He has advanced the art of the moving image like few others, and in the process has inspired a new generation of filmmakers around the world."
Star Wars may suck, but that has little bearing on the above comment.
I think the real achievment here is that, while Jar Jar was completetely OUT OF FREAKING CONTROL in the first prequel, he was actually able to seemlessly STFU and all but go away in the second one.
I don't think that was the least bit conspicuous:-)
> > "Jar-Jar was so bad that it made the Ewoks look like fucking Shaft"
> >I hope you're happy. I'll never be able to watch Shaft again without imagining an Ewok playing the role:).
Who's the furry private dick
That's a sex machine to all the chicks?
WICKET!
Yub dammmn nub!
Coatee cha tu goo (Shaft!)
coatee cha tu doo (Shaft!)
coatee cha tu too (Shaft!)
Allay loo ta nuv!
I hope you're happy. I'll never be able to watch Shaft again without imagining an Ewok playing the role:).
Try thinking of it the other way. The Ewoks all played by Shaft. Now that would give the stormtroopers something to worry about. Han would probably have to be worried too. Once Leia's had Shaft, she'll never go back.
Re:Wait a sec...
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Anonymous Coward
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Mesah won no award!?!? Yousah kidding! Jar Jar given award by Naboo Princess! Kiss on cheek! Jar Jar no need lifetime achievement award. Mesah still archieve only half lifetime greatness. Yousah gonna see lotsa more of Jar Jar nows!
They won't redo the Indiana Jones films because Spielberg and others would have to be involved. Lucas doesn't have 100% control of that series so he needs get approval and signed contracts from too many folks to make changes.
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I can't wait until 20 years down the road, when he releases the DVD of the AFI program, replacing a 60 year old Lucas with a virile 20 year old version of himself.
There will be space battles, too.
that that award was for someone who continues to innovate and pursue new things, not someone who does something great and spends the next 20 years tinkering with minute details of said work.
that that award was for someone who continues to innovate and pursue new things, not someone who does something great and spends the next 20 years tinkering with minute details of said work.
He has - you just weren't paying attention. He has caused a shit load of inventions to take place behind the camera. Because of him a ton of people got the money they needed to invent new effects, better sound systems, etc etc.
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Re:This one's got a bad motivator!
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uberdave
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More appropriately:
George Lucas: I won the lifetime achievement award.
Luke Skywalker: No! That's not true. That's impossible!
George Lucas : Search your feelings. You know it to be true.
Luke Skywalker: Nooooo! Nooooo.
Re:and maybe next year...
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sgant
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Yeah, actually I think he fits in well on "Boston Legal"...even though it's "LA Law" meet's "The Practice" meet's "Ally McBeal" (which is no shocker since they were all David E. Kelly productions (Kelly took over "LA Law" at the end btw)).
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Re:and maybe next year...
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NMEismyNME
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and how could we forget his services to the music industry?
picture yourself... on a boat... on a river...
Re:and maybe next year...
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kilgortrout
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To me his most memorable role will always be The Big Giant Head on Third Rock From The Sun.
Re:and maybe next year...
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hookedup
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now there's an acceptance speech i'd like to see..
You should give his newest album, Has been, a listen. It's really good, it just came out. Look for it on suprnova.
Lifetime Achievement Award Requirements
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modifried
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"The Life Achievement Award honors an individual whose career in motion pictures or television has greatly contributed to the enrichment of American culture.
The criteria stated that "the recipient should be one whose talent has in a fundamental way advanced the film art; whose accomplishment has been acknowledged by scholars, critics, professional peers and the general public; and whose work has stood the test of time." In 1993, AFI trustees extended the criteria to encompass individuals with active careers and work of significance yet to be accomplished. "
Re:Lifetime Achievement Award Requirements
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AndrewStephens
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In 1993, AFI trustees extended the criteria to encompass individuals with active careers and
work of significance yet to be accomplished.
Sweet, my genius is yet to be recognised but it looks like I am elligable anyway.
Where do I submit my nomination?
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Re:Lifetime Achievement Award Requirements
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tuxedobob
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Also in the article, dumbass.
I'm not scrolling back to see if you're also the person who posted the list of past winners, also in the article.
Lucas was a visionary
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Goodl
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Despite the debacles that are the 'new' trilogy, no fan could watch the extras DVD that came with Star Wars and deny that it brought a lump to the throat to see how the film that defined space adventure for a generation was literally dragged kicking and screaming to the screen, all despite incredible odds, horrendous bad luck and dumbass studio execs through the sheer force of will and unshakable self belief that the story he was telling had to be told. Much as I really dont like how he conducts himself these days, no-one could say the man hasn't earned his place in history and in the hearts and minds of thirtysomethings globally. I can't hear the opening bars of the John Williams theme without getting chills down my spine and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
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Re:Lucas was a visionary
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Jugalator
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Good god, do you really have some sort of emotional bond with the original trilogy to such an extent that it affects you physically just being reminded of it? That's not insightful, that's sad.
This "emotional bond" you speak of is common among people who like a movie, or any art form for that sake, a lot. I feel sad for you if you've never found a good enough movie to experience it. I can listen to great pieces of music and it gives me chills, and I can watch movies that brings me to tears. A whole lot of us can. I hope you can feel some kind of emotions when watching movies, since it's great things to experience.:-)
I can't imagine how boring going to the cinemas would be if you couldn't create an emotional bond to some of the characters, for example by humor, anger, love, sadness, or something else.
Star Wars was a good bunch of movies. But they certainly aren't anyhing to spend more than a few seconds reminiscing about.
What can I say... That's just your opinion, and if you have a hard time accepting others, feeling the need to look down on others, you're just narrow-minded.
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Re:Lucas was a visionary
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Jugalator
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You need a psychologist or possibly a general physical examination if that seriously happens to you.
No, I'd rather keep my emotions and stay away from a lobotomy, thank you very much...
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Good god, do you really have some sort of emotional bond with the original trilogy to such an extent that it affects you physically just being reminded of it? That's not insightful, that's sad.
Nothing has intrinsic value. Anything that has value has value because a human gave it value. That you only care about putting other people down is what is really sad.
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I can't imagine how boring going to the cinemas would be if you couldn't create an emotional bond to some of the characters, for example by humor, anger, love, sadness, or something else.
I can, though i wouldn't reccomend it.
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Re:Lucas was a visionary
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fucksl4shd0t
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I had a lobotomy once. Nobody told me about it, so I did a scan of my brain. I found a big letter "F" carved into the side of one of my frontal lobes.
Re:Lucas was a visionary
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cyber1kenobi
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I got goose bumps just readin' your mention of the opening theme. Anybody else associate the Fox thing at the begging of movies with every Fox movie they've seen since?:)
Does your lack of acceptance of someone else's opinion not make you equally narrow-minded?
Can one pass judgement on someone being narrow-minded without becoming narrow-minded themselves?
Hmmm, I need sleep
The man deserves it
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Dancin_Santa
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Having the dumb luck to stumble into the greatest movie franchise in history, Lucas has taken that little bit of luck and transformed it into his vision of a complete alternate universe. Had he been any other short-sighted director (Spielberg, I'm looking right at you and your last half of A.I.) the Star Wars trilogy would have simply ended with the dance of the Ewoks. However, Lucas was able to transform that complete story into a more complete story by going back and fixing and editing and putting in scenes that were originally not his vision in the first place. I hate to use the word visionary, but Lucas truly has a vision.
The problem is that most people cannot understand the mind of a visionary and it isn't until long after they fade into irrelevance that they truly become appreciated. So too it is with Lucas, I believe. Many people are so worried about their childhood memories that they cry wolf every time Lucas decides to change a scene. Nevermind the fact that the whole Star Wars universe makes more sense when the updated (Director's Cut, if you will) scenes are added to the films.
Lucas truly does deserve this award not only for what rich memories he brought to us when we were still kids, but also for the memories he gives kids of the future. When we look back in 20 years and reminisce about the Star Wars Nonology we will finally see why Greedo had to shoot first and why Jar Jar was crucial to the story of Anakin Skywalker.
Re:The man deserves it
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Dunkelzahn
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I think Revenge of the Sith is going to change alot of people's views of the Prequels and the Original Trilogy, in a good way. Judging from various leaks, spoilers, and Hyperspace tidbits, I think Revenge of the Sith will be the best of the prequels, and will be more than worthwhile.
As for Jar-Jar - we're supposed to hate him. He's the dumb bitch who hands the Republic over to Palpatine on a silver platter, so...
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Re:The man deserves it
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op51n
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When we look back in 20 years and reminisce about the Star Wars Nonology we will finally see why Greedo had to shoot first and why Jar Jar was crucial to the story of Anakin Skywalker.
I totally disagree. I have tried not to care about the changes he continues to make, as I have copies of the original release that will keep me happy, but I just can't fathom his decisions. Well... No, that's not quite true.
I took a look at the comparison of the three releases, and the apparently dodgy censorship (the red flashes in the prison scene) and Greedo's shooting first, only appear to be ways of making the film more kid friendly. As of course Jar Jar and the awful slapstick he added in the Mos Eisley approach and other inserts also go to show.
I just can't understand why he is doing this. It removes about thirteen layers from Han's character, making him fairly uninteresting for a start.
It's not that I'm worried about my childhood memories. Like I say, I have the originals, my memories are intact. The problem is, now anyone who hasn't seen the originals will see the new DVD release, and it's not the same movie. I can fully appreciate a director's wish to go back and fix special effects, and even insert some new scenes to expand the scale - like with Mos Eisley. But I'd do it seriously. Adding laughs into those bits is lame and wrong pacewise.
Basically, he's taken his movies, and turned them into a cleaner, more child-friendly franchise. I almost wouldn't be surprised if he does release the unaltered remastered editions to get the rest of the available cash, but that depends on if he's willing to allow such violence to be seen! I've lost pretty much all my respect for the guy, aside from, as someone mentioned, what he did for sound and effects in the industry.
Re:The man deserves it
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bob+beta
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Nevermind the fact that the whole Star Wars universe makes more sense when the updated (Director's Cut, if you will) scenes are added to the films.
You see, there's the problem. Great stories, and good movies, don't have to 'make sense' in that way. There's a trick in drama called the 'aesthetic distance' where the audience is supposed to 'buy into' the fact that the performance is an approximation, and expand the spectacle themselves, internally in their own mind.
Loose ends, paradoxes, etc. are supposed to be overwhelmed and become irrelevant because the dramatic effect smooths it all over.
Instead, in Lucas, and in filmmakers like him (sadly a dominant force these days in filmmaking) everything has to be 'real' or as 'real-seeming' as can be made possible.
It's like the difference between a fabulous Doctor Who episode, with cheese props but a wonderfully crafted story and brilliant acting, and the massively engineered psuedo-reality of the modern flicks. One works well within limits and succeeds in going beyond said limits. The other is just 'as good as it could be in the era it was produced' and people ten years later will obsess over the then-obsolete rough edges.
For a technician like Lucas, the second production makes him a ton of money. It also sells a lot more home theatre hardware and drives a need to continually upgrade the playback hardware in the theatres. I guess that stuff is important to some people.
Re:The man deserves it
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WaterBreath
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I've got to wholeheartedly agree with the general sense of this article, that Lucas does deserve this award. I think people are overlooking some things when they consider this.
First of all, Lucas has made more than 5 movies. Second, Lucas has made more than 5 blockbuster movies. (He had to be doing something right.) Third, not only has he made blockbuster movies, but he's made meaningful movies, such as American Grafitti and THX-1138.
Regarding people's newfound hate of Lucas for his remastering/editing of the Star Wars Trilogy... I'll admit that I'm young enough that I saw the first three movies on VHS when I was very young. When the remastered versions came out I didn't remember the originals very well. It was like seeing them for the first time. And from that viewpoint I can tell you that the remakes are still good movies. I also think the prequels are good. As good as the originals. The problem is that the overall quality of movies in general has improved so much. There are many movies that flop today, but would have been blockbusters in the 1970s. The prequels are just not as far above the average today as the originals were when they came out.
Lucas essentially created the film epic. It may have been tried before, but Lucas was the first to do it successfully in both the eyes of his peers and the eyes of the public. And I'll go so far as to say that he has had no rival. The Matrix started out great, but most of the people that went to the third one did it only out of half-hearted hope and a desire for some sort of closure. The LOTR trilogy is awesome, but it's an adaptation, not an original work like Star Wars. (And don't talk about theft of concepts, because Tolkein was just as "bad", stealing from all sorts of mythologies.)
Lucas deserves this award, if solely for what he did with the original Star Wars movies. Even if you can't get over his recent changes, that doesn't changes how he affected the movie industry.
Re:The man deserves it
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ScrewMaster
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No, don't give Lucas a free pass on this one. Keep the pressure on.
The fact remains that it is perfectly possible to create a character that everyone is supposed to hate (say, Governor Tarkin, Darth Vader, Boba Fett, Jabba the Hutt, The Emperor himself, and of course all the lesser Empire underlings who were killed along the way) but Jar Jar was simply stupid, and Lucasfilms' mastery of digital effects didn't extend to making him a believable alien. Maybe they could now, renderfarms are bigger nowadays, but he just looked like a cartoon character stuck in the middle of an otherwise spectacular collection of special effects. I'm sorry, but I look at Jar Jar as a transparent effort to create more action-figure sales rather than a serious effort to develop a character that would advance the plot of the movie. You're supposed to hate a bad character for what he does. I hate Jar Jar because of what he is. If Lucas had had a clue as to how many die-hard Star Wars fans (like me) he would alienate with that bit of cinematic crap known as Jar Jar he might have rethought the whole thing. And that includes Jar Jar's entire clan: "Shield be going up!" and all that. Viewers were legitimately disappointed in Lucas for that.
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I almost wouldn't be surprised if he does release the unaltered remastered editions to get the rest of the available cash
He's been quoted as saying something to the effect of, (massively paraphrased) "I don't like those movies, the special edition versions are the ones I wanted. If you want the originals I'm sure you can dig them up on VHS somewhere, but it won't be coming from me."
I really like A.I. - I think it has a very special atmosphere, and the more I watch it the more it mesmerises me. Interestingly enough, even my wife liked it more the second time, and said "hmm.. yeah, there is something in it". For me, A.I. is a very powerful artistic event. It leaves me half-sad, but totally immersed.
"If Lucas had had a clue as to how many die-hard Star Wars fans (like me) he would alienate with that bit of cinematic crap known as Jar Jar he might have rethought the whole thing."
yes, becasue hundreds of millions dollars is a horrible thing to get when you've pissed off someone who is more obsessed with the films then the creator of said films.
Jar-Jar os a pawn of the Empire, nothing more. Clearly Palpatine set things in motion so that Jar-Jar would end up in the position Palpatine needed him to be.
My respect for ther Jar-Jar character would have gone up tremendiously if he had intentionally released the globes on the advancing army. That would be a great reedit. To bad Lucas doesn't re-edit his films..rimshot.
Beside all Jar-Jar wants is a freakin bowl of Trix. . .
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Re:The man deserves it
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ElectricPoppy
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I liked it too. I don't generally like Spielberg as a director, but I did like that movie. Though, I wish Kubrick had been able to do it - it would have been really awesome in that case...
Re:The man deserves it
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fucksl4shd0t
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Look, I don't really like Jar-Jar either, but there's a little more going on in the Phantom Menace than the introduction of Anakin Skywalker.
First and foremost, the story in the Phantom Menace is about Naboo, the Queen, and some cultural changes that need to take place for them to keep their independence. Sure, we watch the movie and know that it's only a small episode in the grand scheme of things, and that what's really important in this movie is the introduction of Darth Vader, the beginning of his relationship with Obi-Wan, and the return of the Sith to the Republic.
Hate Jar-Jar all you want, but hate the game, not the player. Jar-Jar's purpose in the flick was to bring the Naboo and the Gungans together to beat a mutual enemy, and the cultural changes that happen on Naboo as a result are fundamental and important.
I actually like the Phantom Menace, but in order to watch it I have to hypnotize myself into thinking I'm 8 years old. But other than that, I find it's a decent flick. But a "flick" is exactly what it is. How good or bad either of the first two episodes are will be determined by the third episode.
Oh, I don't know, maybe because he CREATED FRIGGIN' STAR WARS!
I don't mean to sound like a troll, but people, come on! Whether or not you like what he's done with Star Wars recently, you can't deny that he created one of the greatest series of movies of all time. If it wasn't, we wouldn't constantly have people whining about every tiny change Lucas makes to his movies, would we?
Yeah but...
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mstefanus
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I will make no other comment
No comment is also a comment...
past winners
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Pompatus
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According to MSN Encarta (hey, it was the first one I found on a google search) these are the past winners of the AFI Lifetime achievement award.
1973 John Ford
1974 James Cagney
1975 Orson Welles
1976 William Wyler
1977 Bette Davis
1978 Henry Fonda
1979 Alfred Hitchcock
1980 James Stewart
1981 Fred Astaire
1982 Frank Capra
1983 John Huston
1984 Lillian Gish
1985 Gene Kelly
1986 Billy Wilder
1987 Barbara Stanwyck
1988 Jack Lemmon
1989 Gregory Peck
1990 Sir David Lean
1991 Kirk Douglas
1992 Sidney Poitier
1993 Elizabeth Taylor
1994 Jack Nicholson
1995 Steven Spielberg
1996 Clint Eastwood
1997 Martin Scorsese
1998 Robert Wise
1999 Dustin Hoffman
2000 Harrison Ford
2001 Barbra Streisand
2002 Tom Hanks
2003 Robert De Niro
2004 Meryl Streep
There are some pretty serious names on that list. My point is, why now? The nostalgia for the first trilogy of films is good and all, but really, they were only 3 movies.
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Re:past winners
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TheKidWho
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Because Jews run Hollywood. I don't mean that as a troll,
I'm sorry, but how could that possibly be anything other than a troll?
If you'd said that there was a good number of Jewish actors and other film professionals in Hollywood, then that would be a reasoned argument. A slightly inflammatory one, and one whose truth I've no information on, but reasonable nonetheless. But a ludicrous, sweeping overgeneralisation and naive oversimplification like that? Do me a favour.
A more rational point might be that if a good proportion of actors and directors were Jewish, then you might expect a similar proportion of the very talented ones, and hence of the award-winning ones. And a similar argument might apply to the low proportion of African-Americans (or whatever the current politically-correct term is -- I'm from a different continent, so I don't know). But since I've no real (i.e. not just anecdoral) information about the ethnic and/or religious demographic of film professionals -- and neither, I suspect, have you -- then this is all academic.
Sadly, that's been pretty much crapped on by the fact that the last movie to bear his name was truly abysmal (and yes, I'm well aware of the fact that wasn't his fault but sadly that will be forgotten)
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There are some pretty serious names on that list. My point is, why now? The nostalgia for the first trilogy of films is good and all, but really, they were only 3 movies.
It isn't just the films, it's everything else. ILM, Skywalker Sound - hell, even Pixar was at one point a Lucas deal.
Forget Star Wars - he's done a lot to the industry as a tool-maker. Oh, and a merchandiser:p
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Are you referring to A.I. or Eyes Wide Shut? In either case, why? I've only seen the latter, and while it wasn't... umm... eye-opening, it wasn't the worst movie I've ever seen either. (Mediocre, yeah.)
Eyes Wide Shut. A truly terrible movie. It's sole redeeming feature was Nicole Kidman taking her clothes off. I expect far better things from anything carrying Kubrick's name, and it's sad to say that this is the last movie that he is credited as having directed.
By contrast, I rather enjoyed A.I. - more surprising since Spielberg never really "did it" for me as a director.
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If you look closely it actually appears that Han and Greedy (err, Lucas) win the award almost simultaneously.
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Well deserved
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AndrewStephens
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Much as we all enjoy reading about how Lucus raped your childhood, his movies are probably only a small part of why he is getting this award. The man is directly responsible for much of the technology behind modern film making - nonlinear editing, sound post-production and reproduction, digital effects, virtual sets, virtual extras, and now he is a leading force in digital film. Not to mention the great strides he made in marketing and licensing:) All these techniques were developed for his projects, and there is not a film made today that does not use them in some way. He is certainly more deserving than 2001's winner - Barbra Streisand!
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Okay, so we've established that Lucas has 'raised the bar' and made it much, much, more expensive for someone with a great dramatic idea to get his/her vision onto the screen and before the public. Kinda the equivalent of what's happened in popular music, where you've gotta make a twelve million dollar 'video' before your music can become a hit.
There is a significant part of the film community that doesn't see a causal link between technical and artist achievement. Many actually see the relative surge in the use of SFX as determintal to cinema. After all blue screen, CGI and digital worlds are just tools. Tools that can be used to create a masterpiece (Citizen Kane has a similar amount of effect shots as Star Wars, yet you wouldn't know) or create a Michael Bay film. I would also like you to consider a timeline of special effects, in many cases Lucas wasn't the conceiver, but the populariser.
I respect and appreciate the technical strides that Lucas took. Hell, I am enough of a geek to be here. However the AFI doesn't give technical awards, but artist awards. Cultural impact aside, I firmly believe Lucas isn't worthy of such an award.
Just an opinion of a film nerd. I am the guy who writes essays on the link between R2D2 and characters in Akira Kurosawa films. Disagree if you must, and many will.
Okay, so we've established that Lucas has 'raised the bar' and made it much, much, more expensive for someone with a great dramatic idea to get his/her vision onto the screen and before the public.
Tell me how you get The Lord of the Rings on film without using the techniques pioneered by Lucas.
I rendered The Lord of the Rings from actual source code, in my head, by reading the original novels in a hammock in the back yard in the summer of 1974.
No animated, CGI, or acted out product I've seen or heard of can do justice for that.
As to why I would want it on film? Hmmm. . . The printed book would be less easy to read on microfiche. ..
Wrong, now he has confirmation he needs to pursue episodes VII, VIII, and IX. No, as a lifetime achievement award winner, no one will question his decision to rework the triology so that Han Solo's name is actually Beau, and in episode VII we learn that Beau and Luke are cousins, and Han's long lost father returns, Uncle Jessie. The empire is defeated, but pockets of control remain throughout the galaxy, especially on the planet of Hazzard. Here Beau and Luke, the newly named Dukes of Hazzard, are sent to eliminate the remaining emperial forces. Lando, will of course have taken the Millenium Falcon, but that's ok because Beau will reveal that he has been working on a supped up ship, named after one of the great hearo's of the rebel resistance, the General Lee. Finally the Star Wars vision, the Lucas vision, can be realized.
Oh... and I've heard in episode VIII Beau and Luke will run into a group of wrongly accused ex-rebel fighters, named Murdoch, Hannibal, Face, and B.A. Barachus. I pity the fool who misses this movie!
And finally, we might see N-Sync do a cameo in the movie (that would be awesome d00d).
[Returning from commercial break to see Imperial Star Destroyer chasing Millennium Falcon with large number painted on the side]
Right, now where were we? Well, when we left off, Beau and Luke had got theirself into a whole heap o' trouble!
Re:Yeah, Lucas is a hack...
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Dancin_Santa
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Why not? All you need is a pen. Don't let the condensation hold you back!
Re:Yeah, Lucas is a hack...
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Dirtside
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Are you implying that because we haven't directed billions of dollars' worth of movies, we don't have a right to criticize the AFI's choice? Or Lucas's actions or motivations?
-- "Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
Re:Yeah, Lucas is a hack...
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Perdition
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Kinda. It's not an Actions and Motivations award, it's a Film-Making award. He's made films, several in fact. Did it most of his life. Lifetime acheivement of making films. Here's an award. Besides, when I apparently called people's creativity into question, I didn't mean YOU, I meant THEM. YOU, however, are exempt from the comment. Don't ever confuse THEM with YOU.
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Re:Yeah, Lucas is a hack...
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Tackhead
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> but what have YOU done?
Throughout my entire life, I was able not to create Jar Jar Binks.
Unless, of course, YOU are one of THEM. In which case, feel free to confuse yourself. That will give the rest of US time to finalise our plots to remove THEM from the positions of power which they hold.
-- Not everything that can be measured matters; Not everything that matters can be measured.
Re:Yeah, Lucas is a hack...
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Perdition
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Heyyyy...
Is that YOU?
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It's all about special effects...
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pedantic+bore
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If you RTFA, you'll see that what is being recognized is primarily Lucas's pioneering work in special effects: ILM, Pixar, Lucas Sound, etc. The man might not know how to direct his way out of a paper bag, and his ear for dialog went deaf about twenty years ago, but he has created some wonderful tools for other directors/writers to use. He deserves something for that.
-- Am I part of the core demographic for Swedish Fish?
...as the story rolled off the bottom of the slashdot front page.
American Graffiti
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httpamphibio.us
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I'm constantly surprised that George Lucas was lucid and creative enough to create American Graffiti... it's a film that has not only withstood the test of time, quite an achievement for what could have easily been just a nostalgia piece, but has the perfect balance of comedy and drama, and manages to develop many different storylines (most multi-threaded films tend to skimp on any sort of real character and story development and the crossover between storylines is often very poor).
-- sig.
Maybe "lifetime" is the wrong word...
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Daniel+Ellard
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I liked THX1138 a lot. American Graffiti was great. Star Wars 4-6: when they came out, people were amazed. The Indiana Jones still looks good (well, except for maybe the last one).
That's quite a successful run. Maybe not a "lifetime" of achievement, but a bunch of great and/or insanely popular movies in a short period of time.
It's unfortunate that the recent stuff sucks, but he's still got a pretty amazing record.
-- Disclaimer: I work for a company, but I don't speak for them.
"George Lucas is receiving the AFI Lifetime Achievement award. I will make no other comment."
Oh, c'mon, don't like that. You'll get yours too, eventually!
Give credit where credit is due!
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Archimonde
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1)He created original trilogy. Those movies are one of the best movies ever.
2)He destroyed it with Special Edition.
3)Then he created three crappy prequels*. (worst movies ever).
And now the conclusion:
Thats helluva lot of determinination and hard work. He deserves it.
* I never saw episode iii, but judging from i and ii, I'm almost certanly right;)
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Yes it is
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Anonymous Coward
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Getting millions of people to pay bucks to watch Jar-Jar _IS_ an achievement.
Short sighted posters
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damieng
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As always a story brings out the most short sighted posters, upset over the treatment of Star Wars.
Lets not forget that the award is not for Star Wars but for his achievements to the industry.
Lucas helped found ILM which helped get special effects to the what they are today. Skywalker Sound has contributed to hundreds of films. THX certification got cinemas, film and DVD production quality up.
True. The man completely fucked StarWars, but still has a number of remarkable films on his resume. I personally *love* the Indiana Jones series.
Re:Short sighted posters
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MtViewGuy
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Surprisingly, I actually liked Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade as the best of the Indiana Jones movies. I think it's because of the superb interaction between Harrison Ford and Sean Connery.
He's done more for the business of movies
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hargettp
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Yet perhaps not so much for the art of movies. Alas, because I enjoyed the original trilogy so much in my childhood.
He created one of the greatest (and first, I believe) movie merchandizing businesses in history. I would question whether there would be so many "Power Ranger Toys" or "Barney" tie-ins if the Star Wars franchise hadn't done been so successful.
He has continually expanded the frontier of digital effects in film-making, and although in recent years his studio's work has been eclipsed by other films (e.g., The Matrix, Shrek, Toy Story, Finding Nemo, Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, etc.), I do believe that nevertheless he deserves credit for the push towards effective uses of digital imagery in cinema.
He has enhanced the audio experience in most large cinemas in operation today (at least in the US). I can't say how many times I've seen "THX-1138" digital surround sound by Dolby--that sound system was developed in conjunction with Lucas' team.
He was first to expand the idea of film sequels (and series) in modern cinema. Would we have had Die Hard, Die Harder were it not for Lucas? Would we have The Matrix, The Matrix Reloaded, The Matrix Revolutions were it not for Lucas? What about Star Trek the Movie I-IV? Back to the Future I-II? If the original trilogy had not been so popular with audiences, would subsequent sequels & series concepts have been developed other major film studios?
There may be other such achievements as well, but with the above I think there is a strong case that Lucas reshaped how the business of movies does it's business.
Re:He's done more for the business of movies
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rdean400
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although in recent years his studio's work has been eclipsed by other films (e.g., The Matrix, Shrek, Toy Story, Finding Nemo, Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow).
I would dispute that.
Pixar really plays to different market segments than Lucas's films, so they haven't really eclipsed Lucas's work. (And to be fair, Pixar itself started out as a division of Lucasfilm, Ltd. It was purchased by Steve Jobs for $10mil in 1986 and rechristened "Pixar".). No Pixar = no Toy Story, and no Toy Story means we probably wouldn't have seen a good wholly computer animated picture yet.
ILM was the special effects studio for Sky Captain and the World fo Tomorrow, so Lucas's company was part of that one.
That leaves the Matrix. Although bullet time generated more buzz than massively digitally created armies of Phantom Menace, it's about equivalent on the revolutionary scale. Matrix got perceived as better by having a more well-executed story.
The fact is engraved into Pixar's HQ: "No amount of technology can turn a bad story into a good one" (Although TPM and AOTC were good stories, poorly told).
Re:He's done more for the business of movies
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Snaller
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Would we have The Matrix, The Matrix Reloaded, The Matrix Revolutions were it not for Lucas?
He has a lot to answer for!
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Re:He's done more for the business of movies
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donglekey
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ILM was the special effects studio for Sky Captain and the World fo Tomorrow, so Lucas's company was part of that one.
No they were not. They may have done a handful of shots but half the movie was completed by a studio set up for this movie called WOT and half were completed by many other studios included Ring of Fire, Orphanage, Stan Winston Digital, Pacific Title, and probably others.
Re:He's done more for the business of movies
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rdean400
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True, but the supervisor of the whole thing is Scott Anderson, an ILM alumnus.
We'll Ignore...
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a_peckover
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...the parts where he revolutionised film making (THX, Skywalker Sound, ILM, non-linear editing) and where he became the most successful independent film-maker of all time.
I absolutely agree.
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MtViewGuy
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I mean think about it:
1. Industrial Light and Magic essentially pioneered the modern age of cinematic special effects. They took "traditional" special effects to new levels of excellence and helped pioneer CGI effects for movies.
2. Pixar pioneered much of what computer animation can do, and under subsequent leadership of Steve Jobs the company has produced several blockbuster hit movies.
3. Lucas Sound helped develop the THX certification for high quality movie presentation in the theaters, and it has extended that certification to DVD mastering, too. A THX-certified DVD tends to have high-quality picture and sound on average.
A THX-certified DVD tends to have high-quality picture and sound on average.
Right. Snow White in Ultra-Hiss Mono got a THX certification. It's something that's more easily bought than earned these days. Likewise, non-THX certified equipment can and often does perform better than their certified counterparts.
The best thing to come out of THX is that THX sound at the beginning of the movie;)
Actually, THX certification for DVD's is more than just better quality sound. It's also better quality picture during the mastering process, too. That's the reason why THX-certified DVD's tend to look quite good on average.
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Re:It's a tremendous achievement
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ScrewMaster
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In that case Bill Gates would have been winning it every year, hands down. But since Bill Gates' lifetime achievement can be summed up in one word: "Windows", the statue or whatever goes to Lucas instead.
-- The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
... to get a lifetime achievement award if your constantly allowed to go back, digitially edit, and resubmit your life's work for approval until you get it write (or wrong i guess).
-- 'If you're flammable and have legs, you are never blocking a fire exit.'
Awful Films
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BlackHawk-666
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I've just finished watching his lifetime achivement for the first time as an adult, and I can honestly say it sucks and blows arse. Sure, he deserves credit for the fantastic THX quality of the films, that sound and imagery really was top drawer. It's a pity the films themselves stank so badly. Let me qualify my main gripes with them.
In Star Wars, Luke comes off as some petualant child who went to the sooky child school of acting. If was hard to get involved with his badly written character, and Han Solo come off as some sort of space hick. The only redeeming feature was a bra-less princess Laia.
Whilst watching the truly awful Return of the Jedi, I noticed that the characters seem to say all their actions and speak in pure exposition e.g. I'm going to go *there* and do *that*. This film is worse than pantomime.
Give George credit where credit is due, THX is great, the special effects are fab, but the acting, plot, and characters all stink.
-- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
Re:This is embarassing
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inkswamp
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Give it up. I've tried modding some of the outright flamebaitery where posters call Lucas every filthy word in the book and every time I do it, I get meta-modded as "unfair." There is a massive amount of anti-Star Wars venom on Slashdot (hell, this post will likely get modded as "troll" at some point too.)
Some folks around here have taken to hating Lucas with a sort of religious zeal and nothing you can say will change that. I grew up with Star Wars as a massive component of my life, and I think the new versions of the films kick the old versions' asses up and down the street a half-dozen times. But some people around here disagree and won't tolerate opposing points of view. Frankly, I think it's a little unhealthy to get so wrapped up in this stuff that you allow it to affect your emotions and judgment to that extent.
HarveyBirddman, if you want to engage in more mature and meaningful discourse about the films, go to The Force.net and try out their fan forums. Much more respectful and knowledgeable and level-headed group there and it's not as Lucas-worshipping as you might at first assume (plenty of valid critiques of Lucas there without the emotional outpouring and the wailing about ruined childhoods.)
Honestly, I don't know why Slashdot insists that this stuff should be posted here anymore. Clearly, the Slashdot crowd and the Star Wars fan do not overlap much nowadays.
-- --Rick
"If it isn't broken, take it apart and find out why."
Re:I nominate my hamster
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tuxedobob
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Second. Scruffy's always wanted to see a hamster recognized by the AFI.
Not considering his role in the second movie
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SuperKendall
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Look, I hated Jar Jar's pratfals in the first movie as much as the next guy.
But in the second movie the stupidity had a point - he was an easy to use pawn, one of the weak minded people that is so easily manipulted by force powers. I was actually quite happy with how Jar Jar was used in teh second, even though I thought they went way overboard with the physical comedy in the first.
The whole *point* is that he's stupid, not that he's hated. He'll end up being hated (or pitied) because he's so stupid.
-- "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Many of the editing techniques, and special effects done today are possible because of his drive and commentment.
you can say what you want about ther Star Wars series, but they did influence the industry. The way movie companies viewed sci-fi films after Star-Wars was a lot more seriously then before Star-Wars. WOuld Alien as been as good if George hadn't proved there is a market for 'grity' sci-fi?
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He'd stop making movies on par with the Cabage Patch Kids. I'm not worried about my childhood memories, I'd really like to see him make a movie with the imagination of an adult. These dumbed down Star Wars movies have been thinner then a childrens cartoon and all the while the real world has continued grow more complex. Give me a Star Wars with characters with flaws. Something to sink my teeth into.
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you would think
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geekoid
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that a place that alledgedly devoted to 'News for Nerds' would appriacte this a lot more.
1) Made Sci-fi movies Mainstream 2) Set ground work for technology to make better sci-fi movies 3) Created the most Kick ass Sci-fi movie of it's time. 4) Independant film maker
What's with the haters? Quite frankly this 'it's big and worth a lot of money so lets hate it attitude has gotten old.' Except for Google. Speak bad about Google and you'll be moderated down to hell.
-- The Kruger Dunning explains most post on/. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
1) Made Sci-fi movies Mainstream 2) Set ground work for technology to make better sci-fi movies 3) Created the most Kick ass Sci-fi movie of it's time. 4) Independant film maker
You forgot:
5) PROFIT!
(disclaimer: I've loved Lucas' work since THX1138, and think he deserves the award. But this is Slashdot, and the rules clearly state that All Lists Must End With Profit)
-- Not everything that can be measured matters; Not everything that matters can be measured.
I can't believe how two or three little changes can "destroy" a movie. I enjoyed the original saga, and even if Greedo shoots a split-second earlier, I think the restoration and improvements that have been made to image quality (e.g. lightsabres) are worth it.
Lifetime Achievement Award for Sodomizing Our Memories?
Star Wars *used* to be good.
Re:This is embarassing
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HarveyBirdman
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They should look at the new version of THX-1138. If there ever was an argument FOR making updates to older films, that one is it. Very nice "upgrades" in that one. Just enough to give a better sense of scale in a few scenes.
What can I say... That's just your opinion, and if you have a hard time accepting others, feeling the need to look down on others, you're just narrow-minded.
That is by far the coolest quote I've found on slashdot. I think it really speaks for itself. Someday, I dream of cobbling together such an utterance into such a form.
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Come out of the tinfoil hats...
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Machitis
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If you take a moment to remove the tinfoil hat and take a look at what Lucas has done... I'd say he deserves it. His methods as far as hollywood politics alone revolutionized the industry of movie-making.
Beside that, he's led development of some of the best industry departments and standards out there. He was largely responsible for Pixar!
So before you're too quick to bash him for the obvious blunders he's had, at least have the fairness to recognize what he has really done well.
...some of the events in his life will be altered so they more closely match the life George originally intended.
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Re:Fuck you, negative mods
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inkswamp
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LOL! Damn, that's great! You have a great attitude. I just wish the people around here with moderation points would actually look at the context of what you wrote before modding it as flamebait.
Anyway, we're right behind you. Lead us onward, HarveyBirdman, into the depths of Incorrectly Modded Flamebait Hell! BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!
-- --Rick
"If it isn't broken, take it apart and find out why."
No, that's entirely my point - that I don't want him to be judged on Eyes Wide Sh*t - far from it. BUT I live in the real world, and sadly a lot of people WILL judge him on EWS - it's very, very wrong, but that's the way it is.
There's an old adage - "When you get something right, nobody remembers. When you get something wrong, nobody forgets.". In this case, somebody else got it wrong, but it's Kubrick's name that's on there.
I consider Kubrick to be one of the greatest film-makers who has ever lived - we're talking about the man that gave us what I consider to be the finest film ever made (2001 : A Space Odyssey). I've seen it a zillion times (I'm saw it in the cinema the week it was released), and there are moments where it still takes my breath away. Not to mention Dr Strangelove, Full Metal Jacket, Clockwork Orange, The Shining, etc. etc.
No, the last thing I want is for him to be judged on EWS - I'd much rather it was forgotten completely and we remember his many triumphs.
-- Not everything that can be measured matters; Not everything that matters can be measured.
What an asinine question.
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jotaeleemeese
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You do what you can in your context and circumstances.
There are people for which waking up every morning and managing to lead an almost normal life is an achievment that easily overshadows anything Lucas has ever done, but that naturally is not highligted since achieving this does not touch as many people as a film maker.
So stop the patronizing, we may be doing more things that you are obviously denying people credit for.
-- IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Re:What an asinine question.
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Perdition
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So, let me get this straight... We should ALL get AFI lifetime achievement awards for leading almost normal lives? It sort of takes the shine off the apple, so you can have mine. George Lucas gets awarded for his film work, and everyone crawls out to say what a hack he is. I ask what films they have made to displace his achievement, and you say I have devalued humanity in general. One word: decaf.
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To receive the Lifetime Achievement Award Special Edition in 2005, and the Super Extended Lifetime Achievement Award Special Edition Platinum in 2014.
I didn't know trashing the trilogy was an achievement... go figure... fp?
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Award win you shall!
Yawn. Who cares? A lifetime achievement award for making a bunch of low-quality plot-recipe movies and becoming stinking rich as a result; and we have to give him an award?
I was unaware that giving birth to Jar-Jar Binks was considered as a "life achievement"...
Then again, everything depends on what you mean by "achievement".
Karma cannot be described by words alone.
Where is Jar Jar's award!?!?!?!
All we need, now he'll think he's good and remaster Indian jones... and Indie wont shoot first.
I like muppets.
I can't wait until 20 years down the road, when he releases the DVD of the AFI program, replacing a 60 year old Lucas with a virile 20 year old version of himself. There will be space battles, too.
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that that award was for someone who continues to innovate and pursue new things, not someone who does something great and spends the next 20 years tinkering with minute details of said work.
For remastering dvd to show a puppet, now with more wrinkles!?
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... he didn't really get this award for creating the character known as Jar Jar Binks.
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Although I will say they have finally found a good character for his over-acting on Boston Legal.
This way to the egress...
The criteria stated that "the recipient should be one whose talent has in a fundamental way advanced the film art; whose accomplishment has been acknowledged by scholars, critics, professional peers and the general public; and whose work has stood the test of time." In 1993, AFI trustees extended the criteria to encompass individuals with active careers and work of significance yet to be accomplished. "
(From http://www.afi.com/tvevents/laa/laasite/)
Despite the debacles that are the 'new' trilogy, no fan could watch the extras DVD that came with Star Wars and deny that it brought a lump to the throat to see how the film that defined space adventure for a generation was literally dragged kicking and screaming to the screen, all despite incredible odds, horrendous bad luck and dumbass studio execs through the sheer force of will and unshakable self belief that the story he was telling had to be told. Much as I really dont like how he conducts himself these days, no-one could say the man hasn't earned his place in history and in the hearts and minds of thirtysomethings globally. I can't hear the opening bars of the John Williams theme without getting chills down my spine and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
I've got some photographs, I'd like to show them to you. Though you don't know the girls You'll recognise the view..
Having the dumb luck to stumble into the greatest movie franchise in history, Lucas has taken that little bit of luck and transformed it into his vision of a complete alternate universe. Had he been any other short-sighted director (Spielberg, I'm looking right at you and your last half of A.I.) the Star Wars trilogy would have simply ended with the dance of the Ewoks. However, Lucas was able to transform that complete story into a more complete story by going back and fixing and editing and putting in scenes that were originally not his vision in the first place. I hate to use the word visionary, but Lucas truly has a vision.
The problem is that most people cannot understand the mind of a visionary and it isn't until long after they fade into irrelevance that they truly become appreciated. So too it is with Lucas, I believe. Many people are so worried about their childhood memories that they cry wolf every time Lucas decides to change a scene. Nevermind the fact that the whole Star Wars universe makes more sense when the updated (Director's Cut, if you will) scenes are added to the films.
Lucas truly does deserve this award not only for what rich memories he brought to us when we were still kids, but also for the memories he gives kids of the future. When we look back in 20 years and reminisce about the Star Wars Nonology we will finally see why Greedo had to shoot first and why Jar Jar was crucial to the story of Anakin Skywalker.
If he won't make a comment, I will.
WHY!?!
By summer it was all gone...now shesmovedon. --
I will make no other comment
No comment is also a comment...
According to MSN Encarta (hey, it was the first one I found on a google search) these are the past winners of the AFI Lifetime achievement award.
1973 John Ford
1974 James Cagney
1975 Orson Welles
1976 William Wyler
1977 Bette Davis
1978 Henry Fonda
1979 Alfred Hitchcock
1980 James Stewart
1981 Fred Astaire
1982 Frank Capra
1983 John Huston
1984 Lillian Gish
1985 Gene Kelly
1986 Billy Wilder
1987 Barbara Stanwyck
1988 Jack Lemmon
1989 Gregory Peck
1990 Sir David Lean
1991 Kirk Douglas
1992 Sidney Poitier
1993 Elizabeth Taylor
1994 Jack Nicholson
1995 Steven Spielberg
1996 Clint Eastwood
1997 Martin Scorsese
1998 Robert Wise
1999 Dustin Hoffman
2000 Harrison Ford
2001 Barbra Streisand
2002 Tom Hanks
2003 Robert De Niro
2004 Meryl Streep
There are some pretty serious names on that list. My point is, why now? The nostalgia for the first trilogy of films is good and all, but really, they were only 3 movies.
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Much as we all enjoy reading about how Lucus raped your childhood, his movies are probably only a small part of why he is getting this award. The man is directly responsible for much of the technology behind modern film making - nonlinear editing, sound post-production and reproduction, digital effects, virtual sets, virtual extras, and now he is a leading force in digital film. Not to mention the great strides he made in marketing and licensing :)
All these techniques were developed for his projects, and there is not a film made today that does not use them in some way.
He is certainly more deserving than 2001's winner - Barbra Streisand!
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Now he can quit.
I will make no other comment.
Now, isn't that a pretty clear comment?
Okay, okay, so why isn't it called the "shitload of money achievement" ? Would be more to the point, don't you think ? :)
Karma cannot be described by words alone.
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but what have YOU done?
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I sense a disturbance in the force... as if millions of voices cried out in terror, and then were suddenly silenced.
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I'm constantly surprised that George Lucas was lucid and creative enough to create American Graffiti... it's a film that has not only withstood the test of time, quite an achievement for what could have easily been just a nostalgia piece, but has the perfect balance of comedy and drama, and manages to develop many different storylines (most multi-threaded films tend to skimp on any sort of real character and story development and the crossover between storylines is often very poor).
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That's quite a successful run. Maybe not a "lifetime" of achievement, but a bunch of great and/or insanely popular movies in a short period of time.
It's unfortunate that the recent stuff sucks, but he's still got a pretty amazing record.
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"George Lucas is receiving the AFI Lifetime Achievement award. I will make no other comment."
Oh, c'mon, don't like that. You'll get yours too, eventually!
1)He created original trilogy. Those movies are one of the best movies ever.
;)
2)He destroyed it with Special Edition.
3)Then he created three crappy prequels*. (worst movies ever).
And now the conclusion:
Thats helluva lot of determinination and hard work. He deserves it.
* I never saw episode iii, but judging from i and ii, I'm almost certanly right
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Getting millions of people to pay bucks to watch Jar-Jar _IS_ an achievement.
As always a story brings out the most short sighted posters, upset over the treatment of Star Wars.
Lets not forget that the award is not for Star Wars but for his achievements to the industry.
Lucas helped found ILM which helped get special effects to the what they are today. Skywalker Sound has contributed to hundreds of films. THX certification got cinemas, film and DVD production quality up.
And personally, I loved Howard the Duck...
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Yet perhaps not so much for the art of movies. Alas, because I enjoyed the original trilogy so much in my childhood.
He created one of the greatest (and first, I believe) movie merchandizing businesses in history. I would question whether there would be so many "Power Ranger Toys" or "Barney" tie-ins if the Star Wars franchise hadn't done been so successful.
He has continually expanded the frontier of digital effects in film-making, and although in recent years his studio's work has been eclipsed by other films (e.g., The Matrix, Shrek, Toy Story, Finding Nemo, Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, etc.), I do believe that nevertheless he deserves credit for the push towards effective uses of digital imagery in cinema.
He has enhanced the audio experience in most large cinemas in operation today (at least in the US). I can't say how many times I've seen "THX-1138" digital surround sound by Dolby--that sound system was developed in conjunction with Lucas' team.
He was first to expand the idea of film sequels (and series) in modern cinema. Would we have had Die Hard, Die Harder were it not for Lucas? Would we have The Matrix, The Matrix Reloaded, The Matrix Revolutions were it not for Lucas? What about Star Trek the Movie I-IV? Back to the Future I-II? If the original trilogy had not been so popular with audiences, would subsequent sequels & series concepts have been developed other major film studios?
There may be other such achievements as well, but with the above I think there is a strong case that Lucas reshaped how the business of movies does it's business.
...the parts where he revolutionised film making (THX, Skywalker Sound, ILM, non-linear editing) and where he became the most successful independent film-maker of all time.
I mean think about it:
1. Industrial Light and Magic essentially pioneered the modern age of cinematic special effects. They took "traditional" special effects to new levels of excellence and helped pioneer CGI effects for movies.
2. Pixar pioneered much of what computer animation can do, and under subsequent leadership of Steve Jobs the company has produced several blockbuster hit movies.
3. Lucas Sound helped develop the THX certification for high quality movie presentation in the theaters, and it has extended that certification to DVD mastering, too. A THX-certified DVD tends to have high-quality picture and sound on average.
"George Lucas To Receive Liftime In Prison"
:P
I own a pump action golf ball cannon. I made it myself.
In that case Bill Gates would have been winning it every year, hands down. But since Bill Gates' lifetime achievement can be summed up in one word: "Windows", the statue or whatever goes to Lucas instead.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
I wonder how much he dislikes American Graffity. I bet he totally hates it.
But I think he should win for giving us the beloved Lucasarts company... :)
Well, up until the screwed up, and then canceled Sam and Max 2 and Full Throttle.
was a good movie.
THX1138 was an excellent movie.
The distributors spat on it at the time.
Considering his subsequent work, I've always figured you want the definition of "embittered cynic" you look up George Lucas.
That kind of monumental and over-composed style of music also gives me shakes. I guess that the music is OK, but I am very sick of it.
Boooooooooooo!
... as if millions of _real_, skilled directors cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced...
It's like telling him, until now, you've done everything worthy in your life, please, leave StarWars alone. Don't touch it anymore!
DON'T PANIC
... to get a lifetime achievement award if your constantly allowed to go back, digitially edit, and resubmit your life's work for approval until you get it write (or wrong i guess).
Do, or do not!
Hear, hear!!
'If you're flammable and have legs, you are never blocking a fire exit.'
In Star Wars, Luke comes off as some petualant child who went to the sooky child school of acting. If was hard to get involved with his badly written character, and Han Solo come off as some sort of space hick. The only redeeming feature was a bra-less princess Laia.
Whilst watching the truly awful Return of the Jedi, I noticed that the characters seem to say all their actions and speak in pure exposition e.g. I'm going to go *there* and do *that*. This film is worse than pantomime.
Give George credit where credit is due, THX is great, the special effects are fab, but the acting, plot, and characters all stink.
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
Some folks around here have taken to hating Lucas with a sort of religious zeal and nothing you can say will change that. I grew up with Star Wars as a massive component of my life, and I think the new versions of the films kick the old versions' asses up and down the street a half-dozen times. But some people around here disagree and won't tolerate opposing points of view. Frankly, I think it's a little unhealthy to get so wrapped up in this stuff that you allow it to affect your emotions and judgment to that extent.
HarveyBirddman, if you want to engage in more mature and meaningful discourse about the films, go to The Force.net and try out their fan forums. Much more respectful and knowledgeable and level-headed group there and it's not as Lucas-worshipping as you might at first assume (plenty of valid critiques of Lucas there without the emotional outpouring and the wailing about ruined childhoods.)
Honestly, I don't know why Slashdot insists that this stuff should be posted here anymore. Clearly, the Slashdot crowd and the Star Wars fan do not overlap much nowadays.
--Rick "If it isn't broken, take it apart and find out why."
Second. Scruffy's always wanted to see a hamster recognized by the AFI.
Look, I hated Jar Jar's pratfals in the first movie as much as the next guy.
But in the second movie the stupidity had a point - he was an easy to use pawn, one of the weak minded people that is so easily manipulted by force powers. I was actually quite happy with how Jar Jar was used in teh second, even though I thought they went way overboard with the physical comedy in the first.
The whole *point* is that he's stupid, not that he's hated. He'll end up being hated (or pitied) because he's so stupid.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Many of the editing techniques, and special effects done today are possible because of his drive and commentment.
you can say what you want about ther Star Wars series, but they did influence the industry. The way movie companies viewed sci-fi films after Star-Wars was a lot more seriously then before Star-Wars.
WOuld Alien as been as good if George hadn't proved there is a market for 'grity' sci-fi?
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I hate to use the word visionary, but Lucas truly has a vision.
So do people with malaria.
I think this achievement is more about its wallet than about its talent. The juges are Unitedstaters.
He'd stop making movies on par with the Cabage Patch Kids. I'm not worried about my childhood memories, I'd really like to see him make a movie with the imagination of an adult. These dumbed down Star Wars movies have been thinner then a childrens cartoon and all the while the real world has continued grow more complex. Give me a Star Wars with characters with flaws. Something to sink my teeth into.
Quack, quack.
ah, so Lea's line was suppsoed to be:
"You look like Scruffy, the nerf herder."
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that a place that alledgedly devoted to 'News for Nerds' would appriacte this a lot more.
1) Made Sci-fi movies Mainstream
2) Set ground work for technology to make better sci-fi movies
3) Created the most Kick ass Sci-fi movie of it's time.
4) Independant film maker
What's with the haters?
Quite frankly this 'it's big and worth a lot of money so lets hate it attitude has gotten old.' Except for Google. Speak bad about Google and you'll be moderated down to hell.
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I can't believe how two or three little changes can "destroy" a movie. I enjoyed the original saga, and even if Greedo shoots a split-second earlier, I think the restoration and improvements that have been made to image quality (e.g. lightsabres) are worth it.
I think George Lucas deserves an award!
Some kind of one way ticket to hell seems like a most deserving reward for his... efforts.
Lifetime Achievement Award for Sodomizing Our Memories? Star Wars *used* to be good.
They should look at the new version of THX-1138. If there ever was an argument FOR making updates to older films, that one is it. Very nice "upgrades" in that one. Just enough to give a better sense of scale in a few scenes.
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What can I say... That's just your opinion, and if you have a hard time accepting others, feeling the need to look down on others, you're just narrow-minded.
That is by far the coolest quote I've found on slashdot. I think it really speaks for itself. Someday, I dream of cobbling together such an utterance into such a form.
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
If you take a moment to remove the tinfoil hat and take a look at what Lucas has done... I'd say he deserves it. His methods as far as hollywood politics alone revolutionized the industry of movie-making.
Beside that, he's led development of some of the best industry departments and standards out there. He was largely responsible for Pixar!
So before you're too quick to bash him for the obvious blunders he's had, at least have the fairness to recognize what he has really done well.
I don't know. I really liked his segment in The Four Rooms.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
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...some of the events in his life will be altered so they more closely match the life George originally intended.
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Anyway, we're right behind you. Lead us onward, HarveyBirdman, into the depths of Incorrectly Modded Flamebait Hell! BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!
--Rick "If it isn't broken, take it apart and find out why."
Years and years of producing films, not movies, and you want him judged for the last one that by all accounts was an honourable failure?
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
You do what you can in your context and circumstances.
There are people for which waking up every morning and managing to lead an almost normal life is an achievment that easily overshadows anything Lucas has ever done, but that naturally is not highligted since achieving this does not touch as many people as a film maker.
So stop the patronizing, we may be doing more things that you are obviously denying people credit for.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
I pity the moderator who worships George Lucas. Geez, you act like I killed your father or something.