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So, Who Wrote Sobig?

An anonymous reader writes "F-Secure's Virus Blog posted links to a 48-page technical study on who wrote the infamous Sobig worm which went around the world last year. The study is done by anonymous authors. The study concludes that author of this worm is a Russian programmer and goes out all the way to name him. This file has now been posted publicly but on Geocities and and Tripod. So you can have a look by yourself and make your own conclusions."

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  1. Mirror! by Emrikol · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm a whore! Mirror: HERE!

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    1. Re:Mirror! by Meostro · · Score: 4, Funny


      i'm a whore with a website: NSFW mirror here...

      yes, this is real. NSFW keeps bandwidth down.

    2. Re:Mirror! by BashDot · · Score: 1

      Yeah, until everyone goes home for the evening.

      *rimshot*

    3. Re:Mirror! by The+Fanta+Menace · · Score: 2, Funny

      hmm, dunno about that. I clicked on it because of the NSFW message...

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    4. Re:Mirror! by Lurker+McLurker · · Score: 1
      yes, this is real. NSFW keeps bandwidth down.

      Hold on, you think implying that your website contains pornography will reduce bandwidth usage?

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  2. "Who Wrote Sobig" by Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Not me.

    1. Re:"Who Wrote Sobig" by Anonymous by TykeClone · · Score: 4, Funny

      Anyone who has kids knows that the first person that says "Not me" is guilty :)

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    2. Re:"Who Wrote Sobig" by Anonymous by duguk · · Score: 1

      Not me either! :D

    3. Re:"Who Wrote Sobig" by Anonymous by HokieJP · · Score: 1

      Of course not. Everyone knows it was Edna Ferber.

    4. Re:"Who Wrote Sobig" by Anonymous by Fla · · Score: 1


      Spoken like a graduate of the Brady Bunch school of parenting

      Christ, I hated Peter.

    5. Re:"Who Wrote Sobig" by Anonymous by TykeClone · · Score: 1

      Nah - I was smart enough never to speak first :)

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    6. Re:"Who Wrote Sobig" by Anonymous by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      Come home after a flight to CA.

      R2.0: "Where's my pocketknife?" (normally in back pocket, left on nightstand due to TSA.)

      R3.0(age 4): "I know, I know!" (Makes beeline for nightstand. Knife isn't there) "I don't know where it is."

      R2.0: "Were you playing with my pocketknife?"

      R3.0: "No."

      R2.0: "Then how did you know where it was and why isn't it there anymore?"

      Still haven't found it.

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    7. Re:"Who Wrote Sobig" by Anonymous by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      I think that may only apply to silent releases of "natural gas".

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  3. Great Geocities Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    What do they have 10MB of transfer a day?

    1. Re:Great Geocities Link by One+Childish+N00b · · Score: 1

      I remember taking down an ex of mine's website after we split up in a petty, wounded swipe. It was on Geocities. Brute-forced, you say? No, I just turned off the cache and hit 'Reload' a few times...

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  4. Geocities? Tripod? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...now been posted publicly but on Geocities and and Tripod. So you can have a look...

    Ummm, you realize that you're telling the entire /. community that they should look at Geocities and Tripod accounts, right? This should last, oh, about 5 seconds.

  5. Kasperski by mirko · · Score: 5, Informative

    A French magazine named Kasperski, a former KGB agent and now an antivirus publisher.
    They said he happened to develop such things and then ask the major AV editors to bid in order to get the virus specs first...
    Not sure if it's that accurate but it will sure raise some tin-foil-heads interest...

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    1. Re:Kasperski by gmuslera · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The old myth that says that the antivirus makers are the ones that are developing virus? I use AVP/KAV since a decade ago, first in DOS and now in Linux, and is one of the best (if not THE best) available antivirus on the market.

      Even know someone that programmed a test virus long time ago, and sent to antivirus publishers to see how well it could be detected, and the response from the community of that time, specially the people from Kaspersky, was very against that kind of "tests", so is very improbable what you are telling there (and that includes too most of the other biggest players 10 years ago if the same is said about i.e. F-Prot or McAfee people)

      At least without hard proof (not just speculation or just urban myths) i would give that notice the same weight as that Bill Gates is sending big bucks to any that continues a chain letter.

    2. Re:Kasperski by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      If you'd ever used AVP on windows... well, scratch that. If you had lately used AVP on windows, you would not think that it was the best or even one of the best available antivirus programs around. When it came out it was the best NT scanner available but then it went right in the toilet, something about the way it scans impacts system performance more than Symantec AV 9 or Avast!, the only other two virus scanning applications I've compared it against to be honest. Still, one of those is freeware, so AVP can take a hike.

      You're right, though, that some actual proof is necessary to make something like this stick.

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    3. Re:Kasperski by St.+Arbirix · · Score: 1

      If I were an antivirus company writing viruses and someone came up to me asking to use a "test" virus I'd be very public about not approving of that sort of behaviour.

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    4. Re:Kasperski by alnjmshntr · · Score: 1

      wow, I have owned my own pcs since about 1992 and been online since about 1994 and I have NEVER had ANY virus software on any of my pc's (windows xp os currently on my main pc) which are on and connected 24/7.

      Don't believe the rubbish these idiots spew. The only virus software you need is common sense.

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    5. Re:Kasperski by gmuslera · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Never was infected by a virus myself. But had a BBS whose files were checked against virus, worked in LANs where workers had not a lot of common sense sometimes, and avp is pretty good for checking for virus in mail servers (i.e. teamed up with anomy sanitizer).

      To be "unprotected" from virus is ok if you have common sense, firewalls and safe software (i.e. windows is not in that category, and if well linux is pretty safe against virus, maybe is not 100% safe against worms), but when you talk about a lot of people, common sense looks not so common.

    6. Re:Kasperski by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      That used to be true, but with things like IE bugs you never know.

      I've got a machine that sits in the corner and generally doesn't get used a lot. The other day it came up with a bizarre dialog - "Windows Messenger is shutting down". Well the messenger service is disabled on that machine, so I pulled the plug and ran AVG across it - found a trojan embedded in the "System Restore" folder (which is also disabled, precisely for that reason, as trojans re-install themselves on reboot if you clean them with that enabled).

      That machine has only ever been used to browse.. it doesn't even have enough disk space to do much else. But then I know how easy it is to pickup trojans using IE - this laptop I'm on had this when I first installed it. Installed XP and SP2 from the CDs, connected the LAN cable to get the drivers, browsed to the driver site, installed driver & AVG... AVG found a trojan. Total time to infection less than 10 minutes.

    7. Re:Kasperski by mirko · · Score: 1

      I proof read the article and they didn't specifically name Kasperski as the author of these virii, they just mentioned some connections and my imagination did the rest.
      I guess the name given in this article is much more accurate.

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  6. incase you cant get the article.... by VC · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ruslan Ibragimov of Russia

    1. Re:incase you cant get the article.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Thanks! We didn't need to review any of the "evidence" and discuss their merits and authenticity. We just needed the bastard's name so we can hunt him down and stone him. Let's go folks! It's time to rid the world of this heathen!

  7. Heh... by Blue-Footed+Boobie · · Score: 5, Funny

    Kinda funny how the BSD devil up on the /. bar is looking at the worm...maybe he fears retribution?

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    1. Re:Heh... by JTinMSP · · Score: 1

      Perhaps with the security reputation of the *BSD family...it shall slay the Worm instead of fear. He is facing the worm head on with a pitchfork in his hand...

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  8. Re:motivation by nil5 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Why is it always acceptable--preferable--to refer to anyone with a different belief than ourselves as a ``zealot''? This word is being way overused lately. ``Cease!'' sayeth the style police.

  9. Good American Programmers? by Wig · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There never seems to be any good American programmers who write malicious code and viruses like this. Ah well, where's Kevin Mitnick? :-P

    1. Re:Good American Programmers? by northcat · · Score: 1, Interesting

      There are more computer users in the US than many other countries. So, are "hackers" in US sitting back because of fear?

      Actually, this cannot be attributed to tougher law enforcement or any other similar reasons. The thing is that there are not that many big Viruses/Worms/Anything-else-you-want-to-call-them around. So the possibility of the virus-writer being from any random country is almost equal. (My English skills arent so good, so please forgive me if my sentences werent clear.)

    2. Re:Good American Programmers? by SonicBurst · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't know if you read much code, but most virus code is horrible. Quite a bit of it is straight from a point-and-click virus builder, and the stuff that is hand written tends not to work as intended. Of course, I am talking about a virus, so maybe it works just like the author wanted it to for all I know....

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    3. Re:Good American Programmers? by Mercano · · Score: 2, Funny
      There never seems to be any good American programmers who write malicious code and viruses like this.

      It all got outsourced to Asia.

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    4. Re:Good American Programmers? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      more like working at the anti viral/worm/spam companies. They are also the creators of the same.

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    5. Re:Good American Programmers? by r2q2 · · Score: 1

      Most of the time those programmers are doing constructive things. Its only the underpaied programmers that are disgruntled or program viruses for profit thats who would write the good malicious code.

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    6. Re:Good American Programmers? by AceCaseOR · · Score: 1
      Ahh well, the explanation is simple.

      In the US, we had the Hacker Crackdown of the late 80's and early 90's where law enforcement started taking computer crime a little more seriously. Plus, after Kevin Mitnick was forbidden from accessing a computer for years that would probably be enough to discourage most U.S. hackers.

      On the other hand, mosst of these worm-writers have been writing their viruses and malware in countries that have computer crime laws that are either weak, not enforced, or both. Thus, they can do whatever they want, because they won't get in trouble with their governments.

      Now, if we could get the virus-writers in foreign countries extradited to the US based on damage done to systems here, we might see a decrease in the viruses and mal-ware out there.

      Of course, switching to operating systems other then Windows helps too.

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    7. Re:Good American Programmers? by dprust · · Score: 1

      I'd like to think American hackers have better things to do with their time than write viruses. After all, in a land of opportunity, why not write the next killer app instead?

    8. Re:Good American Programmers? by deft · · Score: 1

      I suppose if I lived in Siberia surrounded by hairy fat women, I'd have the motivation to focus on virus writing too. For that I am jealous.

      I always wonder what sort of virus writing potential I could have had if I wasn't f'ing supermodels in southern california. Im going to go out front, their shooting another episode of baywatch... wait, thats just a bunch of girls... my bad.

      No slashdot readers will believe me, watch.

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    9. Re:Good American Programmers? by Wig · · Score: 1

      Isn't most virus code as a rule horrible?

    10. Re:Good American Programmers? by deft · · Score: 1

      haha, i live where russian models come to get discovered...they fly in from all over the world...they have lived and breeded here for many many years... don't think midwest fat farm... think tons of women striving to be hot enough for the next roll, their music contract, etc.

      silly cowards :)

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    11. Re:Good American Programmers? by dprust · · Score: 1

      I'm experiencing the opposite in Green Bay, WI. As a consultant, the programming opportunities are exploding. Companies are figuring out early that the time difference, culture difference, and communication difficulties are far more expensive than hiring a local competent programmer. Perhaps the .DOT bust woke a few suits up and told them they need to pay attention.

      Of course, Wisconsin lags so much in this industry that you might be foretelling disaster for us...hmm.

  10. You forgot... by twoslice · · Score: 2, Funny
    about 5 seconds.

    to add the word milli after the five....

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  11. Re:motivation by benhocking · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Why is it always acceptable--preferable--to refer to anyone with a different belief than ourselves as a ``zealot''? This word is being way overused lately. ``Cease!'' sayeth the style police.

    I think that releasing a virus to achieve your ends qualifies one as a zealot. In fact, I would guess that the poster of the parent (this post's grandparent) thread is most likely not a Windows fan, so the underlying belief probably is not different, just what is perceived as acceptable means.

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  12. Re:motivation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is bs. The word linux did not appear once in the paper. Furthermore, all the other software written by him mentioned in the paper was windows software, mostly used for spamming.

  13. Re:motivation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    5.4 Motive to Write Sobig Senders of spam typically relay their email messages through open proxy servers in a continuing effort to obscure the true sending host. With the proliferation of blacklists and other anti-spam systems, spam senders are finding it more and more difficult to locate available open proxy servers. By opening multiple proxy services on millions of compromised systems, a spam sender could very quickly and anonymously relay messages without the fear of being identified. Sobig provides the following two benefits for spam senders: 1. Sobig opens multiple proxy servers on systems that are not blacklisted; 2. Sobig spreads very quickly, infecting and re-infecting millions of systems in under a week. These benefits provide spam senders with a very large base of open proxy servers. Even though most of the infected systems will be cleaned within a week, there will be some systems that will remain infected to continually provide open proxies for weeks or even months. We believe that Sobig was most likely written to support spam software. Any user or developer of spam mailing software, including Ruslan Ibragimov and Send-Safe, would be financially eager to leverage malware such as Sobig.

    Doesn't say anything about linux as far as I can see....

  14. Viruses for profit by Tx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Malware written for fun isn't any less damaging, I guess, but when apparently written specifically for a commercial purpose (sending spam in this case) it's certainly more annoying IMHO. At least if this case is anything to go by, there's likely to be more of a forensic trail left by the perpetrators due to the associated commercial activities. I hope this Ibragimov guy gets what's coming to him.

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    1. Re:Viruses for profit by Daedala · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Malware for profit is worse.

      The problem isn't that professionals are necessarily better than amateurs at a task -- we know this isn't true. But being a professional allows you to work full-time on something. Many people are motivated by financial rewards (and egoboo doesn't put bread on the table, either).

      When a lot of money gets involved, organized crime gets involved, and they bring with them the infrastructure for serious misdeeds.

      I want my script kiddiez back.

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    2. Re:Viruses for profit by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      Okay so he gets some felony conviction. Will this make corporate america stop buying windows based systems and if they don't then run them without a firewall?

      Will people wise up to the fact that allowing binaries in email is just dangerous?

      Toss 1 million hackers in prison, a kid with a visual basic book and an hour to burn can take down most systems. That's the problem; we're all driving pintos and complaining about yellow lights being too short. Treating just the symptom gets old fast.

      Oh well I gotta go to my deibold atm today. I hope its not bluescreened again. I hope my windows based voting machine works too tomorrow.

  15. The text of sections 1 & 2 of the pdf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    One site was down before the story went active. The other shouldn't last long. The document is 48 pages. 26 are a hex dump. Here are two pages, sections 1 & 2, the Introduction and Overview. Pardon the messy text; I imported from PDF an fixed it up as best I could quickly.

    1 About This Document

    August 18, 2003 was a day of infamy in the world of computer software malware. The Sobig virus, as it was affectionately named by its the anti-virus industry, infected hundreds of thousands of computers within just a few short hours. W32.Sobig.F@mm was a mass-mailing, network-aware worm that sent itself to all the email addresses it could find, worldwide.

    Within two days after Sobig was released, an estimated $50 million in damages were reported in the US alone. China had reported over 30% of email traffic had been infected by Sobig, equivalent to over 20 million users! After interrupting freight operations and grounding Air Canada, Sobig went on to cripple computing operations within even the most advanced technology companies, such as Lockheed Martin. Sobig was so virulent that on November 5, 2003 Microsoft, in coordination with the FBI, Secret Service, and Interpol, setup the Anti-Virus Reward Program.
    Backed by $5 million from Microsoft, the program offered a $250,000 bounty for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the Sobig author. As the one year anniversary of the Anti-Virus Reward Program bounty for Sobig approaches, we felt this was an appropriate time to publicly release the current state of our Sobig forensic investigation. Appropriately, the authors of this document have chosen to release it anonymously for many reasons, some of which are:

    By releasing the information publicly, we hope to increase tips to law enforcement concerning the Sobig authorship and spur efforts toward apprehension of the malware author(s);

    This document shows how computer forensics can identify virus authors. The computer forensic methods demonstrated throughout this document have been utilized to successfully identify authors of other viruses as well;

    Our focus is the objective analysis of Sobig. It is our contention, position, and belief that associating this paper with any specific company, organization, group, or individual will only serve to detract from the investigation.

    The following public PGP key is provided for document validation, with the private key component safely locked away as to eliminate any future chance of a lost key pair. Any individual or entity that claims authorship should be able to validate their 'authorship' by signing a message with the corresponding PGP private key.

    The included PGP public key prevents unscrupulous people from claiming ownership of this document or attempting to collect the Microsoft bounty;

    As this document is present on multiple mirrored sites and has been turned over to law enforcement, anyone modifying the PGP public key will be unable to pass a fake key for potential bounty award;

    This PGP public key will only be included is this document. Other documents, where malcontents attempt to place our ownership on other findings, should be considered forgeries unless they include a message
    signed with the PGP private key.

    In the event that any individual or entity may be able to identify the authors of this document, we urge you to respect our request for anonymity.

    2 Overview

    Sobig was a virus specifically designed to aid the anonymity of spammers. Sobig opened up services that enabled spammers to relay their emails anonymously. Although publicly the motivation and author of the Sobig virus is unknown, through the use of forensics and profiling, we have identified a very likely suspect and motive. Our research indicates that Ruslan Ibragimov of Moscow, Russia, and/or Ibragimov's development team, authored the Sobig virus. Ibragimov himself is the author of Send-Safe, a bulk mailing tool product that was explicitly designed for sending unsolicited em

  16. In Related Links ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Best deals: Worms

  17. Coralized mirror by Randar+the+Lava+Liza · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why aren't all link submissions required to include a mirror? Ah well, here's the Coralized link

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    1. Re:Coralized mirror by Meostro · · Score: 1


      Maybe because some of us can't get to good ol' 8090 anyway?

      I can get to exactly 4 external ports:
      80/443 - http/s
      20/21 - ftp (cmd/dat)

      So all the coralized links in the world won't help me. I couldn't even get to an 8080 if there was one, and that's a fairly well-known alternate HTTP port.

    2. Re:Coralized mirror by Meostro · · Score: 1


      Fine, then use this instead... or just don't visit the site.

      Here's some more from Google.

    3. Re:Coralized mirror by thedillybar · · Score: 1
      >Why aren't all link submissions required to include a mirror?

      Ummm, because the Tripod link is still working just fine?

    4. Re:Coralized mirror by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Errr, because not all people who find and submit something interesting have BOTH the technical skills necessary to mirror a site, AND the facilities to do it.
      So you're proposing to silence the voice of people purely because they lack particular skills, or particular facilities, or both?

      (This comment is not mirrored anywhere because I don't know how to do it, and don't have anywhere to do it.)

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  18. Re:motivation by Trigun · · Score: 2, Funny

    if they are that dedicated to the open source initiative, shouldn't they spend that time improving linux rather than writing viruses?

    Or, at the very least, release the source code under the GPL?

  19. Another mirror by alienfluid · · Score: 2, Informative

    Another mirror here

  20. Another one.. distribute the /. effect.. ? by vluther · · Score: 2, Funny
  21. Re:motivation by gl4ss · · Score: 1, Insightful

    MOD PARENT DOWN!!!!!!! MISINFORMATION.

    MODS: please, fucking read the article before you go on your modding spree.

    linux was not mentioned ONCE in the article. the motivation guessed(and reasoned) was creation of open proxies so the guy could sell more of his spam sending software. so purely financial.

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  22. Re:motivation by Daedala · · Score: 2, Informative
    Where did you get that idea? I admit didn't have time to read the entire paper thoroughly -- I just skimmed it -- but I don't see any anti-Windows sentiment discussed. They're pretty clear that they think the motive for SoBig was spam:
    5.4 Motive to Writing SoBig
    ......
    We believe that Sobig was most likely written to support spam software. Any user or developer of spam mailing software, including Ruslan Ibragimov and Send-Safe, would be financially eager to leverage malware such as Sobig.
    Writing viruses for spam propagation is big business.\
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  23. Re:motivation by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

    Because trying to destroy the opposition to your favorite operating system fairly well qualifies one as a zelaot.

    It has nothing to do with the differeing belief and everythign to do with his views of people who hold a differing belief

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  24. Circumstantial evidence. by hex1848 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I glanced through most of the points the authors make in this document and most of the evidence (if not all) is circumstantial. Although there are a lot of similarities that could lead you to think that he did it, I don't think comparing the skill sets needed write the program to his newsgroup/forum posts and similarities in headers warrants an inquisition.

    Granted he should probably burn at the stake just for writing SPAM software...

    1. Re:Circumstantial evidence. by avandesande · · Score: 1, Insightful

      the only compelling evidence they mentioned was the identical blocks of code in the binaries, and they didnt really discuss go into detail about their findings.

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    2. Re:Circumstantial evidence. by JASegler · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you actually read the PDF you would see that they compared the opcode sequences between sobig and various programs.

      The important bit is that when sobig was compared to Atomic Mail Sender (AMS) they didn't find much in the way of opcode sequence matches. What was there was standard glue code that just has to be there.

      When they compared sobig to Send-Safe they found big chunks of common code, strings, etc.

      And they don't say that Ruslan Ibragimov is the author. They say he and/or his development team.
      Assuming he has 4-5 developers working for him it could be one developer who swiped the Send-Safe code and used it to develop sobig. Although I would bet on Ruslan giving the nod on the development of sobig.

      This type of analysis is how people find GPL violations. Unless you take alot of effort to completely rearrange the code it keeps the same signatures, embedded strings, etc.

      The analysis appears to be sounds. LEA should use Ruslan as a starting point to track down the person(s) responsible for sobig.

      But since we are talking about spam tool/virus/worm writers I think the Aliens quote is best..

      I say we dust off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

      -Jerry

    3. Re:Circumstantial evidence. by hkb · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you missed the sections about large sequences of opcodes in SoBig matching opcode sequences in Send-Safe. That's pretty damning evidence.

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    4. Re:Circumstantial evidence. by analog_line · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, you obviously didn't glance through all of the points, as you neglect to mention the opcode simmilarities, timeline of significant releases of both pieces of software and the activites of groups known to use Send Safe, and SoBig.

      Not to mention the exhaustive opcode comparison diagram at the end of the document.

      Circumstantial evidence, it may be, but that doesn't mean it's not valid. And what is forensics aside from a circumstantial investigation? Getting as many facts as you are able to directly observe in order to come to a logical conclusion about a question you can't directly observe the solution to.

    5. Re:Circumstantial evidence. by eliasen · · Score: 1
      I don't think you read the article. There are several points that lead me to agree that it's more than just coincidence. For example:
      1. New features were added to Sobig and Send-Safe on approximately the same day.
        • The version of Sobig compiled on May 30, 2003 added new encryption systems. The version of Send-safe compiled on the same day added new encryption systems.
        • The versions of Send-Safe and Sobig added additional proxy types on approximately the same day.
        • The port numbers used by Send-Safe and Sobig changed at approximately the same time.
      2. Spam gangs who are known to be Send-Safe customers used features of the new Sobig virus/proxy before they were even known to the world at large.
      3. The code scans show a very large number of duplicated opcodes between Send-Safe and Sobig. This is the smoking gun, potentially.
      What I'd like to see is the decompilation of the matching areas in the code. If they're related to sending mail and/or exploiting proxies, and not library code or boilerplate, then it's very highly probable that the code writers are sharing code, and are either the same person, or working very closely together.

      Taken together, this is good evidence that further investigation is indeed warranted.

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    6. Re:Circumstantial evidence. by Meredeth · · Score: 1

      The evidence is even worse than circumstantial. Its confusing to any but a technical audience. Can you imagine having to prove this to a jury? And worse, if a jury doesn't understand it, might they not just convict based on the fact he's a scum sucking spam artist...oh, thats not worse at all

  25. Avast, slashbots! by naitro · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let's all go visit the guy. Even if he didn't write Sobig, he's still developing software for spammers.

    1. Re:Avast, slashbots! by kevincal · · Score: 1

      click click click if he was smart he would get some nice referral $$ from all these click visits... not a good marketer is he..

    2. Re:Avast, slashbots! by mixmasterjake · · Score: 1

      The email subjects and message text in the screenshots are classic. Ah, how many of those have I filtered out?

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    3. Re:Avast, slashbots! by JamesTRexx · · Score: 1

      So many comments, and that site is still available. Has hell frozen over, or is Slashdot still sleeping awa the Halloween party?

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    4. Re:Avast, slashbots! by mrbcs · · Score: 1
      This is the kind of server we NEED to slashdot!

      Wonder what his bandwidth costs would be if we all downloaded his file two or three times each ;-)

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    5. Re:Avast, slashbots! by ChairmanMeow · · Score: 1
      #/usr/bin/python

      import os

      While True:
      os.system("wget http://www.send-safe.com/index.php")
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  26. Mirror here by alienfluid · · Score: 1

    Here's another one

  27. "author of this worm is a Russian programmer" by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 1, Funny

    In Soviet Russia... oh, nevermind.

  28. With all apologizes the Barry Manilow by Anita+Coney · · Score: 1

    I wrote the virus which made the whole world cringe.
    I wrote the virus which screwed up things
    I wrote the virus that made system administrators cry
    I wrote the virus, I wrote the virus

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    1. Re:With all apologizes the Barry Manilow by JimmytheGeek · · Score: 1

      None are necessary. Ugh.

  29. Just... by grasshoppa · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...tell me what address to mail this...um...strangly ticking package to.

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    1. Re:Just... by Cygnus78 · · Score: 1

      It's in the article...

  30. Interesting approaches by a_hofmann · · Score: 1

    The anonymous authors have done really interesting technical forensics.

    The executable comparison charts between Send-Safe and Sobig-F in the appendix show a large correlation in both binaries. A different code base seems to be a pretty unrealistic thing there.

    If the given facts hold true, I bet that Ruslan Ibragimov will not sleep very well in the next time.

  31. Re:Copyright by r2q2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    In the document and website they allow anyone to copy and distribute it. RTFA before posting

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  32. Re:The reports seems biased by JudgeFurious · · Score: 4, Funny

    You have IT skills and have posted to newsgroups since 1996?

    We'd like to arrange a meeting with you to discuss some "things"...

    - Sincerly, The Dept. of Homeland Security.

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  33. Do we ever really hear about good viruses? by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Script kiddies using virus writing kits and punks putting graffiti on stop signs is at about the same level.

    What do you think of the notion that there are at least several really successful viruses that we never hear about, because they are more useful to the writer if they are not obviously annoying?

    Are all these zombie machines we hear about for rent to spammers infected with viruses that would be caught be common virus scanners, or are they truely different?

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    1. Re:Do we ever really hear about good viruses? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      no, silly rabbit. there's no such magical uber viruses.

      *Are all these zombie machines we hear about for rent to spammers infected with viruses that would be caught be common virus scanners, or are they truely different?*

      no. sure there could be custom rootkits and whatnot(but i have a hard time someone would be selling zombies fitted with custom really well done rootkits)... but a virus can't be "really successful" without doing any traffic or altering any bytes(it can't exist if doesn't do these things), which is enough for the virus researchers to find them.

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    2. Re:Do we ever really hear about good viruses? by Erasmus+Darwin · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "What do you think of the notion that there are at least several really successful viruses that we never hear about, because they are more useful to the writer if they are not obviously annoying?"

      I think it's not very likely. It isn't the payload that necessarily gets viruses noticed. If a virus (well, technically a worm in this case) tries to exploit buffer overruns in remote services (as was done by worms like Code Red and Blaster), it's going to get caught by the log entries from failed intrusions. If a virus (again, technically a worm in this case) tries to mail itself out to people, it's going to be easy for savvy users to see it for what it is. Even if a virus just modifies executables, it's going to raise alarms on a system that keeps checksums of such files. Even the increasingly archaic boot sector viruses will get caught by a simple BIOS setting.

      All the popular infection vectors that viruses and worms use leave too much evidence. I don't think any virus that has infected a large number of computers will stay hidden for long.

    3. Re:Do we ever really hear about good viruses? by rastakid · · Score: 1

      I think that's because the people who do have the brains to decently code a virus (so not without a DIY-virus-in-3-steps kit) also have to brains to understand what will happen when it's released in the wild. And they do know that's not good for anyone.

  34. I'm waiting by hchaos · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm waiting for the study on who wrote the technical study on who wrote the infamous Sobig worm.

  35. Reasons for going public now... by Shambhu · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Leaving aside the validity of their arguments for the time being (though I found them persuasive), I was wondering why exactly they felt the need to release this now. I think there are a few clues in the document:

    "Sobig was so virulent that on November 5, 2003 Microsoft, in coordination with the FBI, Secret Service, and Interpol, setup the Anti-Virus Reward Program. Backed by $5 million from Microsoft, the program offered a $250,000 bounty for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the Sobig author."


    And they add in a footnote to that sentence:

    "Ironically, our investigation into the identification of the likely Sobig author(s) and corresponding findings had already been concluded and passed on to law enforcement over two months prior to the Microsoft bounty offer. The bounty was not our incentive."


    So they say they had submitted their research prior to Nov. 5, '03. Why go public now? Though they don't say it, I can't help but think that it was frustration. Their own explanations for why they are going public seem thin to me.

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  36. Can't convict. Doesn't mean OJ is not a killer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Hopefully when you "glanced through" the article you also read that there is evidence that Sobig and Send-Safe (spam software that Ruslan sells) share source code. By comparing the opcodes of the two executables, they find many long sequences that match.

    Also, don't forget to mention that the article reveals a version of Send Safe was exploiting infected Sobig machines before news of Sobig was ever announced.

    So you see, its not just about the skill set needed, Ruslan's forum posts, or the header similarities. It's the combination of those things AND the matching code signatures, the demonstrated foreknowledge, and the profit motive. Ruslan makes money selling spam software and lo' and behold, there is evidence that his Send Safe program uses some common code and that Send Safe exploits infected Sobig machines and were doing so before anyone of us had heard of Sobig.

    So you can call it circumstantial and that is fine. But don't leave out many of the key points made by the authors.

  37. Of course its biased. They are making a case by Pizaz · · Score: 1

    Of course it is biased. They are making their case that Ruslan is the author. They present evidence to that affect.

    Seems to me that your problem is you read the Slashdot topic and description and then fault the original article for not living up to your expectation. The article IS biased because it makes a case against Ruslan. The lame ass slashdot topic & description don't quite relay that fact.

    As for evidence in the article which you neglected to cite, they show that

    1) his other software Send Safe share common opcodes in the executable and is highly indicative of common source code.

    2) he demonstraded foreknowledge of the virus existance because Send Safe was exploiting infected machines before Sobig virus was ever announced.

    3) he has a motive -> PROFIT!!

  38. fairly convincing by mixmasterjake · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The argument concering that he "had the skills necessary" to create the virus aren't really that convincing to me.

    The comparible code-base (unusual string concatanations that appear in both the virus and his commercial software) I suppose I *could* also overlook that because I know that a lot of developers copy code snippets from support pages and such. Especially for such generic functions as sending email.

    But, then throw in the fact that send-safe and the sobog virus have very consistent release schedules. That is a little suspicious.

    Not only that, but, if you remember when SoBig first came out - it was quite a long time after before people started to realize that it was creating spam proxies. send-safe was using those proxies even before the massive outbreak. Now that is kinda weird.

    So, when you add up all of those things, It seems convincing to me. Is it enough to raid his office computers?

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  39. Re:The reports seems biased by JamesTRexx · · Score: 1

    with wirus writers/writings

    Try repeating that as fast as possible. Lt. Chekov anyone? :-P

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  40. String him up ... by Dark$ide · · Score: 1

    Is stringing this guy up by his testicles and leaving him to dangle too good a punishment?

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    1. Re:String him up ... by murr · · Score: 1

      It most certainly is. What's the Russian word for "piñata" ?

  41. Another Mirror by Laebshade · · Score: 1
  42. Coral mirror by Carlos+Laviola · · Score: 1

    Of http://authortravis.tripod.com available here, for those that don't know Coral yet.

  43. Charge spammers by gmuslera · · Score: 1
    So it was written to send spam. A nice thing that could be done is to charge all the money lost by that virus to all the companies that sent spam directly or indirectly thru that program.

    Also could be count as a "hard fact" for companies/governments/etc that people that send spam are in part responsible for the virus they receive and the damages they make, and start to take actions.

    Well, doubt that spammers could be liable for SoBig damages, but is a nice dream.

  44. One question by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

    I have only one question for virus writers:

    Has anyone ever gotten laid for writing a virus?

    1. Re:One question by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      Virus writers don't get laid, but Hackers get laid like ALL THE TIME.
      A Hacker could infect thousands of computers without even flinching.
      I once saw this movie where a hacker got a BLOWJOB by a fit bird just for hacking some encrunchion code.
      BillyBob in the Trailer next door is a hacker, he once hacked a hole right through the caravan door - it was awesome.

      Hackers have the REAL ULTIMATE POWER!!one!!111!!

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    2. Re:One question by kisielk · · Score: 2, Funny

      I doubt it. But I hear you can get viruses from getting laid...

    3. Re:One question by relaxmax · · Score: 1

      Not me!

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  45. Frustrated yes, but not for money. by Pizaz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Law enforcement had access to this report 14 months ago and yet Ruslan has still not been charged or arrested. At this point, it seems unlikely that he ever will be. If their is frustration on their part, it lays within this fact. Still, from the looks of it, they were sponsored to write this report and thus were paid. As they state, the "bounty was not our incentive." But nobody writes such a report or does this type of work for free. The only purposes releasing this report to the public serves now is a) Prevents others from collecting a bounty in the UNLIKELY event they attempt to use previously documented evidence already on hold by law enforcement. i) If you are paranoid, then it prevents corrupt officials from trying to let their friends receive bounties by using old information. b) inform Ruslan that he is a suspect if he didn't already know it.

    1. Re:Frustrated yes, but not for money. by Shambhu · · Score: 1

      I drew that conclusion purely from the parts that I quoted. The second quote was a footnote to the first quote, but I wasn't sure how to use superscript here.

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  46. Re:Stop trolling by advocate_one · · Score: 1

    you didn't... fuck off. This is the real link that one of those things tries to take you to...

    http://lm.aderkach.org/?u=penisbird

    and this is what the browser tab changed to:

    GNAA Last Measure version 3.4

    and it surprised me that Konqueror almost went there. The only thing that stopped it was my

    "Warning: Your data is about to be transmitted across the network unencrypted.
    Are you sure you wish to continue?"

    prompt... and the fact that I spotted the URL change...

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  47. Not saints, but not devils by phorm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While many of the linux community aren't saints, the attitude-in-general towards viruses and their makers is negetive. You're not going to get a pat-on-the-back from the community for creating an anti-windows virus, you're going to get a kick-in-the-ass for dampening the reputation of the community. Furthermore if a bounty comes up for the virus it's likely somebody will turn you over if possible.

    MS would love to be able to state that linux programmers are behind virus attacks on windows, and most are smart enough to realize that.

    We don't love windows, but we're smart enough not to dirty our hands with viruses, partly because we hate viruses more than we'll ever hate windows (viruses/etc being in-fact one of the reasons for disliking windows)

  48. That's not the half of it... by Xenographic · · Score: 3, Funny

    We have what's described as an anonymous article, based apparently on pure speculation, on a free webhost, that purports to identify a virus author that, SFAIK, has not yet been arrested?

    Impressive. I can't believe Slashdot got such a big scoop on this one ;-]

  49. Two points by blueforce · · Score: 1

    1. According to the authors this study was completed prior to Nov. 5 2003. If the overriding concern is to "...increase tips to law enforcement..." then why did it take so long to publish this?

    2. Spelling and grammar in the document leave a lot to be desired. Computer forensics aside, I submit that English isn't the primary language of the authors or they just don't care that their paper is riddled with mistakes that make them sound ignorant.

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  50. Re:motivation by Eberlin · · Score: 1

    I always thought that the VBA and VBS viruses/worms of the late 90's were definitely Shared-Source. :) The ones I've seen usually have props and shoutouts at the top, really lame variable naming conventions, and a serious lack of proper formatting. (the latter may be more due to transit than anything else)

    At least one VBS worm did some sort of interesting ROT13ish "encryption" of its main code with varying shifts to avoid detection. Upon launch, it decodes itself and runs an eval() to the decoded string. I thought that was interesting.

    But now with exe's and pifs and scrs, it's not so interesting to read anymore. I won't even pretend to have any sort of skillz and will admit that when I receive one of those strange attachments, I save it somewhere deep within ~/ and run strings just to see if there's anything interesting. Occasional shout-outs, but mostly stuff I can't figure out.

    The vbs ones were more fun...but the coding style isn't exactly something the GPL crowd would enjoy.

  51. Re:burn the witch, burn the witch! by Fnkmaster · · Score: 1

    If you read it, the first page indicates that they passed this information on to law enforcement over a year ago. Seems like law enforcement has really done a whole lot since then.

  52. Assumptions on Virus Creators by CyNRG · · Score: 1

    I've always assumed that those who create viruses do so just for the coolness of taking down systems. Mostly kids or young ones under the age of 25. In realizing that I have this assumption, it made me step back and now ask?

    So does anyone really know why viruses are created? What is the personal motivation of the virus creator?

    Because now viruses hurt real people. I think Microsoft should not be allowed to put out such junky software, regardless of the quality of the software real people are hurt.

  53. No, thanks, I'm more interested in... by Provocateur · · Score: 1

    ...the watchmen of the 'net that responded immediately to the infestation. The article from Wired describing the events surrounding that disaster made for an excellent techno-thriller type read. Does anybody have a link to it, as I only read the printed version...

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  54. And ..... by afxgrin · · Score: 1

    It's an anonymous user:

    An anonymous reader writes "F-Secure's Virus Blog posted ...........

  55. Re:motivation by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

    Yeah, well, a_lot_of_gpl_code_has_a_bad_coding_style_too. ButItMightJustBeThatILikeDifferentThings.

    Underscored names and putting braces on the same line of an if statement really annoy me.

    And I've done what you did too (run strings), although I like to keep the file encrypted (I dual boot, don't want to run anything by accident). Used it to find Gator on a friends computer once (his computer was so full of spyware though, that it wasn't really a big thing).

  56. Re:Stop trolling by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

    Just had a look in lynx - and yes, you were correct.

    I spend my whole life making sure I never see 'Last Measure'.

  57. Re:Stop trolling by advocate_one · · Score: 1

    hey anonymous coward... you get respect when you come out from behind your cloak, until then, tough titty.

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