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Firefox 1.0 Released

New Here writes "November 9 has arrived and with it comes Firefox 1.0. According to its home page, Firefox empowers you to browse faster, more safely, and more efficiently than with any other browser. I'm New Here, but this Firefox does sound very promising! Firefox 1.0 is available now for Windows, Linux, and Mac from the mozilla.org ftp server."

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  1. 1.0 right now by crownrai · · Score: 2, Informative

    Running 1.0 right now. Seems to work great!

    1. Re:1.0 right now by metricmusic · · Score: 5, Informative

      Its great! I downloaded it from here: http://mozilla.ussg.indiana.edu/pub/mozilla.org/fi refox/releases/1.0/win32/en-US/Firefox%201.0.zip Don't think slashdot will be able to bring down an edu. Go firefox!

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    2. Re:1.0 right now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      [Vader]I find your lack of faith distrubing[/Vader]...

    3. Re:1.0 right now by Eric+Giguere · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Now be sure to change your web pages to detect non-Firefox browsers (or at least non-IE) and encourage them to upgrade to Firefox. I've documented the basic technique here: How to detect Firefox and See the headers you're sending.

      Eric
      Why the Vioxx recall reduced spam (humor)
    4. Re:1.0 right now by Asphalt · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I was skeptical, very, very, very skeptical.

      I ran Linux exclusively from 1995-2000, and the lack of a STABLE web browser than would handle LOTS of Java, Flash, etc ... it sent me to Windows 2000.

      I kept Linux on the server, but Windows on the Desktop.

      I was really not expecting much when I downloaded Firefox 5 months ago, as I had been using IE exclusively for 4 years.

      What an incredible surprise. I have not used IE at all for three months, and am considering a switch back to Linux on the desktop.

      Firefox has the potential to really open some doors to not only "alterntative" browsers, but "alternative" OS'es as well.

    5. Re:1.0 right now by Masami+Eiri · · Score: 4, Insightful
      in about:config, change extentions.disabledObsolete to false.

      Some may still not work, but most of them probably will.

    6. Re:1.0 right now by Pieroxy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and am considering a switch back to Linux on the desktop

      You might be out of focus here. The initial problem you stated was that you would not find a browser that "would handle LOTS of Java, Flash, etc ...". Now how is trying FF on Win2k relevant in any way to reassure you on the Java and Flash part of its Linux port?

      Flash and Java are still external plugins that are developped by third parties. They could crash your Linux Firefox very easily, trust me on that one.

    7. Re:1.0 right now by JimDabell · · Score: 4, Informative

      Your browser detecting technique is broken. If you send different content to clients depending on which HTTP request headers are sent, you need to send an appropriate Vary response header. Otherwise public caches could serve the wrong content to the wrong browsers, resulting in Firefox users getting "upgrade to Firefox" and non-Firefox users getting the content intended for Firefox users.

    8. Re:1.0 right now by TCM · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why exactly is it that the extension API changes from one RC to another, anyway?

      Can anyone clue me in as to why the googlebar can't possibly work on RC2 and 1.0 when it did on RC1?

      Other projects adhere to some strict rules à la no API breakage in branch x and then comes Firefox and things break from one RC to another? What am I missing?

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    9. Re:1.0 right now by Eric+Giguere · · Score: 5, Informative

      You're quite right about the Vary header, and I've updated the page (and the header viewer) accordingly, thanks: How to detect Firefox.

      Eric
      Reading C Declarations: A Guide for the Mystified
    10. Re:1.0 right now by Zardus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think they change anything major (or haven't since .9 or so). In the past (before knowing about this option), I've modified extentions manually to up the target version number to whatever I was running.

      I think their way of specifying Firefox versions is rather retarded. Instead, I think each Firefox build should have a list of extention API versions it supports, and all the extentions should have an API version number instead of a Firefox version number. But, at 1.0, its probably too late to change that for the time being.

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    11. Re:1.0 right now by Jagasian · · Score: 3, Informative

      Java and Flash on Linux are at least as good as their Windows versions. Yeah sites that use them can be slow, annoying, and sometimes, though very rarely, cause browser instability, but I see the same crap happen to my wife under Windows XP with IE.

      The type of plugins that still suck on Linux are media player browser plugins. Sure there is an mplayer plugin for Mozilla, but after over a year of using it... I still feel that it is crap. So for video and music that is not streamed, I just download to a local folder and play from there. However, for streamed content, I tend to be up sh*t creek.

    12. Re:1.0 right now by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 2, Informative
      So for video and music that is not streamed, I just download to a local folder and play from there. However, for streamed content, I tend to be up sh*t creek.
      With recent versions of mplayer (the last year or so) I haven't come across any streamed media that it can't play, although I sometimes have to do a bit of digging to find the right URL. You can even use the -dumpstream option to make a copy of the file.
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  2. I'm New Here by RodeoBoy · · Score: 5, Funny

    No way really?

    1. Re:I'm New Here by clubin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wow, looing at his history, that guy must have some great karma!

    2. Re:I'm New Here by gotem · · Score: 2, Funny

      are you new here?

  3. Don't forget to check out the extensions: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    FoxyTunes is an amazing extension that allows you to control your music right from the browser,
    http://www.iosart.com/foxytunes/firefox/

    Adblock filters out any unwanted advertisements,
    http://adblock.mozdev.org/

    And many many more!!!

    1. Re:Don't forget to check out the extensions: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
      Posted as plain text by mistake ;)

      FoxyTunes: http://www.iosart.com/foxytunes/firefox/

      AdBlock: http://adblock.mozdev.org/

      More: http://update.mozilla.org

    2. Re:Don't forget to check out the extensions: by glpierce · · Score: 2, Informative

      For those of you looking for effective Adblock filters, I recommend giving Filterset.G a try - the people over at the Adblock Project Forum like it quite a bit.

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    3. Re:Don't forget to check out the extensions: by Androclese · · Score: 2, Informative

      The *best* Tab Browsing extensions are located here: http://piro.sakura.ne.jp/xul/xpi/tabextensions_en. xpi

      They stopped publishing it in the main list for some reason. I've been using it for over a year now and it really pushes the tabbed browsing experince to what it should be. (he updates it often)

      - Single window browsing
      - Color-tab grouping
      - etc.

    4. Re:Don't forget to check out the extensions: by Caraig · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And don't forget that many of your extensions will not be able to work with this version of Firefox. -.-

      This is perhaps the one most annoying thing about Fireofox. I love it, the extension concept is fantastic, it really makes my browser the way I want it to be... but it's almost Microsoft-in-a-Can when it comes to upgrades and dealing with old extensions.

      I really hope that they include SOME backwards compatability with extensions in future versions of Firefox. I had a nice set of extensions that I had give Firefox EXACTLY the behavior I wanted it to have. (Doubleclick to close tabs, smooth mouse scrolling, BugMeNot, Googlebar -- frickin' GOOGLEBAR! doesn't work yet under 1.0 -- Image Toolbar, and a bunch of others.) But as soon as I upgraded, half my extensions suddenly don't work.

      Ironically, FoxyTunes, the extension that took almost forever to get ported over to MacOSX, isn't one of the ones that needs to be updated.

      A message to the Firfox developers: I hope this isn't the way things are going to be for EVERY version release, otherwise people might not bother to update, and then we get the same thing that happened with Windows with people not updating their boxen.

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  4. Mirrors by peterprior · · Score: 4, Informative

    Mozilla.org is really getting hammered. Try waiting a few hours for the mirrors to update.

    Here is a Google cache of the Firefox Mirror List.

    1. Re:Mirrors by peterprior · · Score: 4, Informative

      Obviously just switch the 0.10 to 1.0 in the mirror urls... we can't have everything now can we :)

    2. Re:Mirrors by LogicX · · Score: 3, Informative
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    3. Re:Mirrors by LogicX · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Also don't forget about the excellent resource of Moox's optimized releases of Firefox: http://www.moox.ws/tech/mozilla/


      His site seems to be holding up under the stress.
      He has Optimized Release Builds of FireFox 1.0

      I'm still waiting for 1.0 with SVG.
      Anyone?

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    4. Re:Mirrors by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Informative

      autoupdate worked beautifully.

      options->advanced->software_update->check now

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    5. Re:Mirrors by override11 · · Score: 4, Informative

      the bittorrent link has like 500 seeds, takes about 30 seconds to download the whole file. :)

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    6. Re:Mirrors by jbrw · · Score: 4, Funny

      You insensitive clod! What if i'm on a 300 baud acoustic coupler?

    7. Re:Mirrors by wscott · · Score: 2, Informative

      BTW. The torrent took 21 seconds to download the file.

    8. Re:Mirrors by LogicX · · Score: 4, Interesting

      heh, well they're the company that I work for, and we have a killer server with much more bandwidth than we need, so I try to setup a mirror to give back to the community.

      We're not trying to slam you, we're not trying to rape you with popups or redirects. Just happen to have our name mentioned in the URL. Your choice if you'd want to use our services. I feel this is very similar to a sourceforge mirror of download links. You choose a mirror, the company happens to be listed on the left. They don't do anything except sit there with their name.

      I totally agree on the 'free ipod' and 'free lcd monitor' bit -- I don't agree with those MLM schemes

      Also btw, -- if I'd chosen to use my personal blog URL -- HornyandConfused.com instead of 100BigCoupons.com You would've thought I was advertising a porn site instead :-P

      I'm open to suggestions as to how we could better give back to the open source community with our spare bandwidth. We've contacted numerous open source projects and offered to be mirrors, but most everyone seems to have plenty of bandwidth now adays -- the only place I see is when there's an occasional slashdot story that links to a site that got hit hard.

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    9. Re:Mirrors by Sentry21 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Also, be sure to check out the Moox Optimized Win32 builds. I installed the Firefox M3 build a while back, and I have to say, Firefox was fast before, but now it's downright snappy.

      Be kind to his bandwidth though.

    10. Re:Mirrors by Julian352 · · Score: 3, Informative

      In general, he created a specific builds compiled for each architecture. For those architectures he turned on the optimizations best for the CPU. For example, his builds include MMX/SSE2 compiler optimizations to take advantage of that portion of the CPU pipeline.

      I personally have found that something he turned on has resulted in the browser being more page-out friendly, which on my XP-SP2 box results in slow un-minimize due to paging.

    11. Re:Mirrors by Pushnell · · Score: 5, Informative

      In general, apps have no control whether they get swapped out or not under Windows. In fact, when an application gets minimized, Windows pretty aggressively swaps as much of that app out to try to keep the rest of your apps snappy, whether or not you're short on RAM. However, due to a nifty hack, the moz devs have found a way to prevent or at least reduce how much of their app gets swapped out when minimized. If your desktop habits include frequently minimizing / restoring Firefox, try this:

      1) Go to about:config
      2) Right-click in the content area and create a new Boolean value
      3) Name it "config.trim_on_minimize" and set it to false.
      4) Close & relaunch

      See bugzilla bug# 76831 if you'd like more details. (no linking to bugs from slashdot)

    12. Re:Mirrors by legirons · · Score: 2, Insightful

      " You insensitive clod! What if i'm on a 300 baud acoustic coupler?"

      Then this slashdot article would have taken 83 minutes to load (at a comment limit of 3), yet you posted a reply 47 minutes after the article appeared. Assuming you refresh the front page constantly, you can do so every 24 minutes, which means that on average you'll have seen the story 12 minutes after it appeared, giving you only 35 minutes to reply.

      So if you are on a 300-baud modem, then you must be in the same room as the slashdot server. Since your UID is not much more than your bandwidth, that may well be possible.

      I thought slashdot's bandwidth was higher than that though...

  5. Well New Here, Here's the Band Wagon now JUMP ON! by Zarf · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've managed to download a copy and order a t-shirt and the site isn't slashdotted yet. What are you all asleep or something?

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  6. Please tell me by msgregory@earthlink. · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why should I switch from Mozilla to Firefox?

    1. Re:Please tell me by Kemuri · · Score: 2, Funny

      For the cool logo :)

      Don't think there is much reason to swith if you are
      using Mozilla. But for a lot of people Firefox is
      faster and smaller. It also looks cooler by default.

      Mind, it's called 'Mozilla Firefox'

    2. Re:Please tell me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why should I switch from Mozilla to Firefox?

      Is this a troll? Could be, but it's a legit question.

      Why I switched.

      Tabbed browsing (I don't use this my self)
      3rd button triggers new tab when on a link, or triggers fast/slow scroll
      Bookmarks better defined

      Why I am annoyed:

      No IRC client
      Download Manager defaults to same place

    3. Re:Please tell me by JayTeeUK · · Score: 4, Informative
      To quote someone in my regular forum:
      I don't think they're that far apart. Try it, if you like it, stick with it. If you don't then it's never going to change that much that you'll struggle to switch.
      And to quote my own reply:
      I'd go with that. I switched from the Mozilla Suite back when Firefox was Firebird (v0.6 I think) and I haven't looked back. Although there were problems with the options dialogue back then, I found the increased speed (both in loading and operation) really made a difference.
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    4. Re:Please tell me by discordja · · Score: 5, Informative

      Just depends on what you use primarily. I found myself before using Firefox and Thunderbird but not a lot of extensions on either one. I kept both open all the time. So why spend the extra memory when the combined footprint on Mozilla browser/client as a suite is smaller than the combined fox/bird?

      If you find yourself as a power user that has a ton of diff extensions, don't find yourself stuck in your mail client all the time, then use firefox / thunderbird. Mozilla will meet your needs if you just want a browser with all the security of fox but nothing else of it.

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    5. Re:Please tell me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Because living in 1998 cannot be healthy.

    6. Re:Please tell me by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No IRC client

      Get Chatzilla then?

      Will integrate nicely with Firefox and doing that will still avoid a lot of cruft in the Mozilla Suite.

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    7. Re:Please tell me by Bedouin+X · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Exactly. I went back to Mozilla after a while because Firefox / Bird can take up ridiculous amounts of memory when used together and only recently have either offered truly unique features (Live Bookmarks, Saved Searches).

      I have 1.5 GB in my machine now so I don't really care much about 250 - 300 MB that the two can take up combined under heavy usage.

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    8. Re:Please tell me by Scarblac · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why should I switch from Mozilla to Firefox?

      There isn't all that much difference. But the Firefox extensions are good (and easy to fetch), especially Web Developer gives you loads of cool tools for inspecting web pages, and Mozilla Firesomething is an instant classic (it's a parody on Firefox' name's history - it gives your windows names like "Mozilla Superkoala" - this sort of thing cracks me up. But then I am a nerd).

      Friends of mine love the mouse gestures extension, but I didn't like Black and White much...

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    9. Re:Please tell me by LarsWestergren · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, use whatever you prefer. For me, the change came when I started using an old laptop as my surf computer (feels better to sit in the living room with family and friends instead of in another room where my stationary computer is). It has 400mhz, 128mb memory. It had Win2K before I got my hands on it, and starting and running IE was quite fast (being integrated with the OS...).

      When I installed Mandrake Linux, I was disappointed to find that Mozilla took 5-10 seconds to load. It was also very sluggish to respond, a noticable pause every time I clicked a link. My friend who also uses the laptop called it ususable and asked me to please install Windows again, security be damned.

      Konqueror was faster, but I have never been as attached to it as I was to Netscape/Mozilla. So I downloaded Firefox. Takes less space on drive and in memory, starts in one second, very snappy response when loading pages. Both me and friend very happy with computer now. :-)

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    10. Re:Please tell me by skadus · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, no, see, it was all in the way you *said* the question. For example:

      Non-troll (honest question):

      "Why should I switch from Mozilla to Firefox?"

      Troll (indignant):

      "Why should I switch from Mozilla to Firefox?"

      See? It's all in the tone of voice. ;)

    11. Re:Please tell me by Isaac-Lew · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Tabbed browsing (I don't use this my self) 3rd button triggers new tab when on a link, or triggers fast/slow scroll

      Mozilla supports both of these (at least 1.7.3 does, I don't know about any earlier version).

      Bookmarks better defined

      Possibly, even though I can't see much of a difference myself.

      Firefox looks nice, I was able to import all of my settings from Mozilla. Unfortunately, Thunderbird doesn't seem to have a similar import function from Mozilla Mail (why would this be so difficult to implement? They seem to have one from Outlook to Thunderbird).

    12. Re:Please tell me by shadow303 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      At this point, I think my main reason for using Firefox is because it looks a little bit better. There are a few things that I find annoying. When typing in a URL, I liked the old Netscape style autocomplete, not this annoying drop down menu. There is not gui option to turn on the autocomplete - you have to edit a config variable, and as far as I know, there is no way to get rid of the annoying menu. The other thing that bugs me is you are stuck with the download manager instead of getting separate progress dialogs (I should check if there is a config vriable for this, but I doubt it).
      Early on, Firefox used to seem very light, but lately it hasn't seemed any lighter than regular Mozilla.

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    13. Re:Please tell me by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Why I switched [from Mozilla to Firefox].

      Tabbed browsing (I don't use this my self)
      3rd button triggers new tab when on a link, or triggers fast/slow scroll
      Bookmarks better defined
      Mozilla has tabbed browsing and middle-button-opens-new-tab.

      Now, what I want (among other things) is:
      1. Clicking on bookmark link opens link in new tab.
      2. Ability to scroll the tab bar, so that when I have 50 or so tabs open, I can see the ones on the right-hand side.
      3. Have a download queue, so that only two or three files are downloading at once. Also, save the queue across sessions.
      4. Saving file saves to file hierarchy based on link name (yes, I am one of those people who saves files to, for example, "basedir/http/207.200.85.49/pub/mozilla.org/firefo x/releases/1.0/source/firefox-1.0-source.tar.bz2") . And, finally,
      5. Can display mangled HTML (e.g., Slashdot pages) in a somewhat reasonable way (without having to type ^+ ^0 each time).
      There are other things that I would like, but those will do for a start.
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    14. Re:Please tell me by dubious9 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Firefox is also believed to be faster, maybe not upon loadup in windows because of the OS integration with IE (even with the mozilla startup thingy). Faster (well, less bloated) than Mozilla also because they've been really trying to slim it down.

      It's more standards compliant, which allows me, as a developer to write more standards based code, *then* use workarounds for stuff which IE doesn't like. That said, IE still handles crazy markup without crashing or other artifacts (see firefox/slashdot rendering bug). Security wise, it's supposedly a lot better becuase it doesn't have deep ties into the OS.

      Top seller for me? I can put it on my USB drive and transfer it to the harddrive and it'll work, even on machines when I don't have admin rights (and aren't insanely tied down). I also can't live without tabbed browsing, and mouse gestures (an extension).

      What differentiates it from the stock mozilla browser? Well, Firefox is now the flagship browser from Mozilla.org and I wouldn't be suprised if they don't end-of-life the stock mozilla (technically called seamonkey IIRC?), so Firefox is the one with the future. I've been testing Firefox since their very early betas (.3 0.4?) and it replaced seamonkey on my desktop around .7. There's that automagic plugin finder (which has only worked for flash for me), new download manager. But other than that, there's not a whole lot of features that set it apart from seamonkey, i guess, but mozilla.org, rather the mozilla foundation sees it as the future. Seeing as how it 1.0 now, I don't see any reason not to switch. In a few weeks, of course, when all of your favorite extentions get updated.

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    15. Re:Please tell me by mmcdouga · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I like being able to shut down my mail app without losing my work in the other in my browser -- and vice versa.

      My imap server only gives me a small amount of space for my email folders. When I start deleting stuff the deletion often only commits when I shut down the mail app. With Mozilla, that might be hours later because I don't want to lost my web sessions. I can restart Thunderbird without touching Firefox.

      Also, if one app crashes it won't take down the other. Crashes are pretty rare now, but when they happen it's still pretty annoying.

      Finally, it seems like more work (on the UI and extensions) is going into Firefox than Mozilla, so I might as well get on board.

    16. Re:Please tell me by Ian_Bailey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This was a personal annoyance of mine too, until I figured out how it works.

      The "/" key invokes search, and escape will take you out of it.

      I actually prefer the box at the bottom of the screen, it just take a bit of time to get used to it.

    17. Re:Please tell me by frankie · · Score: 4, Informative
      There is one significant reason to use the standalones instead of Moz suite: if you load a boggy or crashy page in Firefox, you can switch to Thunderbird and check your mail while you wait. With Mozilla, problems in one half will take down the other. If you want this fixed, please join bug 115903:
      http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115903
    18. Re:Please tell me by Timmy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If there's such a simple procedure for manually doing it, why isn't there an automated import? It's just silly that Thunderbird doesn't have a "import my Mozilla mail" option or even a "use my Mozilla mail directory" option.

    19. Re:Please tell me by dubious9 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well that's kind of an odd thing to say because the reason that crazy markup exists is because it works in IE. Of the possible set of crazy markup, you'll find on the internet only that subset which works in IE, because if it didn't, it would be changed to where it did. The slashdot bug I believe is an actual bug in firefox, not slashdot's code.

      I totally agree. The mess that is a lot of html is from IE leniant behavior. This has been a topic for years. Strict Java or whatever-you-want perl or c, blah, blah. Still, there should be *no* html that will crash a browser, as has been shown recently. Failing gracefully is what I want in a browser and I have every expectation that this will be fixed in the 1.0 series of Firefox.

      As for the slashdot/firefox bug, it's a case of rendering spacing graphics, (a table-layout based outdated cludge), without including height/width information. Firefox renders first then "forgets" to re-render when the actual image size is know. It's also not terribly clean code. Slashdot and slashcode are notoriously ugly and bandwidth intensive. I tried to help on the effort to convert slashdot/slashcode to xhtml+css layout, but there was a mountain of work and not a particularly organized core of developers. If you guys are still out there, I'd still help if you got a website, a working CVS repo and some help from an article in /.

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  7. New York Times Ad by Kemuri · · Score: 2

    Hey,

    Anyone got a scan of the Ad in the New York times? My name is in there as I sponsored.

    Want to thank again the folks at Mozilla for making Firefox. Great Job!

    Thanks!

    1. Re:New York Times Ad by sfraggle · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you read the spreadfirefox FAQ, the ad wont run on the day of release but in some point within the next three weeks. They get better pricing if they dont demand a specific day.

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    2. Re:New York Times Ad by j0e_average · · Score: 4, Interesting
      The "three weeks" policy gives Microsoft, who doesn't have to worry about advertising budget, time to schedule a competing ad on the opposing page. Steve Balmer will tout the virtues of IE by proclaiming that Microsoft's track record with security is actually beneficial for the US economy. After all, look how many thousands of folks are employed simply because of Microsoft!


      Oh, and not directly related, but from MSFT site:

      Dave_MSFT (Expert):
      Q: Does Mozilla firefox have better security than Internet Explorer and is it a good idea to use?
      A: Hi Nicholas, I can't really comment on Firefox security however I can say that on Internet Explorer we are committed to security, the results of which can be seen with Windows XP SP2. If you have automatic updates enabled you can be sure that you are using one of the most secure browsers available.
    3. Re:New York Times Ad by Peer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Running the Ad today would have been extremely stupid, there's traffic enough already (and free publicity on several news sites).

    4. Re:New York Times Ad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can say that on Internet Explorer we are committed to security, the results of which can be seen with Windows XP SP2. If you have automatic updates enabled you can be sure that you are using one of the most secure browsers available.

      Great! So this "automatic update" thingy will automatically upgrade Windows 2000 to Windows XP so that I can get the XP-only security fixes then?

  8. Old news by geirlk · · Score: 5, Funny

    Got it 5 hours ago.

  9. Google hosted homepage by tinla · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The new homepage points to http://www.google.com/firefox. Fire your conspiracy theories at will...

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    1. Re:Google hosted homepage by Heem · · Score: 5, Funny

      Who is Will?

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    2. Re:Google hosted homepage by peterprior · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hmmm.. a couple of theories..

      8 million firefox users (as of spreadfirefox.com) all hitting mozilla.org as their default start page must generate quite a lot of traffic, and the start page wasn't that useful other than telling you what you just downloaded and installed.

      The other theory is that Google donated quite a bit, but I prefer the first ;)

    3. Re:Google hosted homepage by grimdonkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You can check out this too

    4. Re:Google hosted homepage by shird · · Score: 4, Informative

      The IE one is designed to go in the explorer bar search pane of IE, thus it is narrow, small and lightweight.

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    5. Re:Google hosted homepage by ceeam · · Score: 3, Funny

      And the IE page is 589 bytes whereas Firefox' one is 1458 bytes which tells us how lean and up-to-the-task MSIE compares nicely against Mozilla bloatware.... WAIT A MINUTE!!!

      Anyway - what was the trigger for IE page? Anything uses it now?

      PS: What's that gradient business at the top of Firefox page? We don't need stinky "cool designs" at Google!!! ;) Or, come to think of it - I see. It's so that tabbar does not mix with the page, right?

    6. Re:Google hosted homepage by Giant+Killer · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Fire your conspiracy theories at will...
      Who is Will?
      He's picky about the spelling. It's "Wil".
    7. Re:Google hosted homepage by Doctor+O · · Score: 3, Funny
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    8. Re:Google hosted homepage by The+Conductor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh hell, even if they are not, Google, as a web services company, has an interest in advancing (and standardizing) browser technology. IE hasn't been feature-updated in years. If more people switch to Firefox, Google has more freedom to do cool & non-evil stuff.

  10. Yay by shojun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm in New Zealand - got it already and running it happily. It's my birthday, I've just been playing Halo 2, Firefox is out, and today I'm buying a house. Things can't get much better :)

  11. More like pre-slashdotted.... by aetherspoon · · Score: 4, Funny

    It was already running incredibly slowly BEFORE slashdot posted the article.

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    1. Re:More like pre-slashdotted.... by Kusunose · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe it's slashdotted by Japanese slashdotters.
      On Slashdot.jp, Firefox 1.0 Official Release is posted on 2004-11-09 18:54 JST.
      It's more than three hours earlyier.

  12. Finding updated extensions by Michael_Jarvis · · Score: 5, Informative

    Your extensions will be disabled unless they are configured as compatible with 1.0. Unfortunately right now trying to use the built in "search for updates" feature is very slow, from server load I presume. I found updates for several of my favorites by searching http://www.mozdev.org/.

    1. Re:Finding updated extensions by Val314 · · Score: 2, Informative
  13. The browser wars are back. by NoMercy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or at least I hope so, even if IE fights back a tiny ammount we'll see a huge lot of improvements in the web generally, IE is so often the 'lowest common denominator' when it comes to designing for the web.

    But for usability and speed of use I'd go with Firefox any day.

    1. Re:The browser wars are back. by fastfinge · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Browser wars don't mean improvement. They mean:
      -- more coding work for responsible developers who need to get everything working on all platforms
      -- a general increase in the amount of sites who viciously flame you for using the wrong browser, even though you may have absolutely no choice in the matter (corporate requirements, screen reading technology, outdated machines, etc)
      --Microsoft morons purposely coding sites only to work with Internet Explorer
      --Open source Morons purposely coding sites only to work with firefox
      --even less support for minority browsers (safari, web tv, etcc)
      -- more bad feeling between developers
      -- more crap coming down the pipe to users who must now have two browsers installed instead of one

      I realize this has to happen. But I don't have to like it. "war" in any form is never any good. As the above poster said, this will be a war.

  14. congratulations mozilla! by magnetik79 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    well done Mozilla on a fantastic milestone. If you can achive soooo much at version 1.0 - imagine what you can get by the giddy heights of version 6.01 of IE ? :) Get everyone you know onto this ASAP! The sooner we can rid the word of poor quality non-conforming and insecure browsers the better the www will be for all....!

  15. links to torrents... by r1ch · · Score: 5, Informative

    before it gets hammered too badly:

    linux i686 torrent

    win32 torrent

    (both EN-US).

  16. A better mirror? by dschuetz · · Score: 5, Informative

    For now, at least: ftpmoz.newaol.com/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases /1.0/


    Anyone know if the New York Times ad went through? Is it available to view anywhere?

    1. Re:A better mirror? by ewithrow · · Score: 4, Informative

      Anyone know if the New York Times ad went through? Is it available to view anywhere?

      The design has not been finalized yet. Also, when they submit the final design to the New York Times, the newspaper gives them a window of about three weeks for which the ad could run. This gets Spread Firefox a better price.
    2. Re:A better mirror? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The ad won't appear for a few weeks. The Spread Firefox team knew they would get lots of free publicity to mark the release of 1.0, but want to use the ad as a "reminder" once the initial hype has died down. Plus to get cheaper rates, they specified a three week window rather than a specific date. Expect to see it in late November/early December.

  17. Speed comparision... by Chembryl · · Score: 2, Funny
    Ah but compare the startup times of Firefox and IE on windows!

    You sure can't beat that OS built-in goodness.

    Yummy

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  18. Re:New Here's posting record is fanastic by Heem · · Score: 5, Funny

    They don't need to learn. At least that's their take on it. They include the browser with the OS. How many people who arent geeks like us will spend the time to download another browser and learn how to integrate it with their os - cuz we all know MS does not make that an easy task.. "Internet Explorer is no longer your default browser? Should I notify the FBI?!?!" etc.

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  19. BBC front page Story by GillBates0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    New browser takes on Microsoft. Pretty fair coverage IMHO.

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  20. Runs like a breeze! by choas · · Score: 5, Informative
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  21. Good grief by Hortensia+Patel · · Score: 5, Funny

    When the Grauniad and the BBC report this story hours before it appears on Slashdot, you know something's wrong with the world.

    1. Re:Good grief by Noksagt · · Score: 4, Funny
      When the Grauniad and the BBC report this story hours before it appears on Slashdot, you know something's wrong with the world.
      Fortunately, the /. editors are already hard at work making plans to repost the story early to make up for lost time.
    2. Re:Good grief by badfish99 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes... you know that it's round, and Europe is 5 hours ahead of the US.

    3. Re:Good grief by Hortensia+Patel · · Score: 2, Funny

      Of course... and Grauniad readers are busily writing to the citizens of Clark County Ohio, imploring them to drop MSIE and switch to Firefox for the good of all mankind...

  22. Coverage at the bbc by JaJ_D · · Score: 2, Informative

    See the bbc story

    Nice to see Firefox is getting the press it deserves

    Jaj

  23. Re:slashdotted already? by ink_polaroid · · Score: 5, Informative

    Bad form to reply to my own post, but some more useful links here:

    Windows torrent and executable.
    Linux torrents for installer and tarball.

  24. More Links by aliebrah · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've posted some more interesting news and Mozilla developer blog links and a screenshot of the new Firefox Google search interface on my blog:

    inside aebrahim's head - firefox 1.0 is here!

  25. Re:Slashdot by bigbadwlf · · Score: 4, Informative

    longer if you get the torrent (win32).
    This one for Linux.

  26. Rendering slashdot by nmg196 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well I'm reading this in Firefox 1.0 and it *still* doesn't like slashdot's code. It still occasionally renders the comments overlapping the left hand menu and it initially rendered this "post comment" screen double width - with the left hand menu titles taking up my entire screen. I haven't encountered any problems with any other sites, so I expect it's just slashdots dubious HTML that's confusing firefox. Mind you I hate to admit that I've never seen IE mis-render slashdot.

    Has anyone else seen Firefox render slashdot incorrectly?

    It can usually be fixed with a simple click of the reload button (F5).

    1. Re:Rendering slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can also correct it by selecting

      View > Page Style > No Page Style

      then re-selecting

      View > Page Style > Basic Page Style

      This implies that the problem is somewhere in the rendering, because it is redisplaying the same page from cache.

      Also if the page is rendering in a background tab (as opposed to the foreground one) it seems to corrupt more regularly.

    2. Re:Rendering slashdot by md81544 · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is the reflow bug and it's much quicker to do a quick Ctrl+ then Ctrl- (or Ctrl-Mousewheel Up followed by Ctrl-Mousewheel down) to force a redraw of the existing page by changing font size. Hitting reload in my experience often doesn't help and just adds to site traffic.

      I'm disappointed this wasn't fixed in 1.0, I'd seen comments to suggest it would have been.

    3. Re:Rendering slashdot by Masa · · Score: 3, Informative

      Has anyone else seen Firefox render slashdot incorrectly?

      Yes. And I've seen some other sites render incorrectly too.

      In Slashdot case, simply Ctrl-+, Ctrl-= should do the trick, but unfortunatelly there are some sites out there, where even this trick will not fix the page. Also, there seems to be some sort of CSS rendering bug in Firefox, which fucks up Bloglines.com, if you use some proxy server.

      There are some other bugs still in Firefox, which haven't been fixed even if there are several bug reports about these issues. (rendering, lock-ups, etc.)

      There also seems to be a way to work around the pop-up filter. I've bumped into sites, which are able to open tons of pop-ups and crash the Firefox even if the pop-up blocker is on. I need to investigate this issue a bit more and file a report, if there already isn't a bug report in Bugzilla.

      So, you're not only one having problems with Firefox.

    4. Re:Rendering slashdot by strider44 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ironically it's not a bug in firefox, but a bug in slashdot.

      However, I (under linux) don't get this bug at all since 0.9.

    5. Re:Rendering slashdot by Fnkmaster · · Score: 2, Informative

      That is not a bug with my extension, it's a Firefox issue. My extension is most likely too simple to have any real bugs of its own, the actual code is about 10-15 lines of Javascript.

      When you get that problem while installing any extension, it usually means there is a hanging Firefox process on your computer that you need to manually kill (CTRL-ALT-DELETE, find it, kill it on Windows). Now restart Firefox and the extension should be installed. Now check Slashdot.org to see if it's working (and validate that it is actually installed in the Tools->Extensions menu.

      Lemme know if you have any problems, nobody has reported any real issues with SlashFix yet.

  27. Next, SVG by wombatmobile · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Next desire, native SVG support so FireFox wins the enterprise space before Longhorn even gets to market.

    We have two years.

    1. Re:Next, SVG by LogicX · · Score: 4, Informative

      Keep an eye on Moox's Site.
      He's already in the past done release builds of Firefox with SVG. They were pretty nice.

      I'd watch for it in a few days.
      Meanwhile, I've already setup a Mirror of Moox's FireFox 1.0 Optimized release builds, just incase he gets slammed.

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    2. Re:Next, SVG by bunratty · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can use SVG with IE today with an SVG plugin. Why wouldn't that be a solution for an enterprise that needs SVG support?

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    3. Re:Next, SVG by jshep · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Many companies (including mine) do not allow users to download plug-ins for a variety of reasons (security, ease of administration, etc.).

      An SVG plugin is a fine solution if the enterprise is willing to allow it. But what happens if a company provides a Web app to its customers, and those customers don't allow their users to download browser plugins?

      This happened at my company. We wanted to provide a map UI to our customers using SVG, but many of our customer's IT staffs (including our own, heh!) were unwilling to allow SVG plugins to be installed. We had to go with another solution.

      If SVG is built natively into the browser, this isn't a problem.

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    4. Re:Next, SVG by wombatmobile · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can use SVG with IE today with an SVG plugin. Why wouldn't that be a solution for an enterprise that needs SVG support?

      Adobe's SVG plugin is a good solution and plenty of enterprises use it. Native support in Mozilla would be a more complete solution because

      • no plug-in install/admin/load time required for Windows
      • Mozilla is cross platform
      • Native support would allow in-line coding of SVG. We could write a HTML, SVG, MathML, all in-line however required. That isn't possible with IE.
    5. Re:Next, SVG by wombatmobile · · Score: 2, Interesting

      would you mind explaining why supporting SVG will allow Firefox to win the enterprise space.

      1. Data driven graphics.

      SVG is an XML grammar. Enterprises have just spent 5 years migrating and enabling their backoffice systems to exchange data as XML. SVG now provides an elegant way to visualize corporate data dynamically. It does this in the browser and the next generation browser is the platform that CIO's want to invest in and use.

      Microsoft learnt from following SVG implementations and then "borrowed" to create their Longhorn XML graphics environment.

      But Longhorn isn't available until 2007 and won't have great desktop market share until years later, even if it ships on Microsoft's schedule. Enterprise CIOs want to progress their IT now because they have business requirements they are responding to now.

      SVG is available now. Mozilla will make it cross platform and enterprise IT will be liberated. So many business applications downstream of the desktop productivity apps can just work as browser apps given a state of the art graphics system.

      SVG is that system; it is an XML grammar that interoperates with web standards and it is itself an open web standard.

      2. Mobility

      CIO's are spending on mobility now.

      SVG is on smartphones and mobile devices now. It is specified by 3GPP for phones and adopted by Vodafone, Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Motorola, Sharp, Qualcom...

      Mozilla + SVG is a story.

      See also Nokia webcast (see their software strategy), svg.org svg developers group.

  28. Slashdot bug still present :( by arendjr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just installed in an hour ago. While everything looks nice and polished, unfortunately the Slashdot rendering bug is still present :(

    They did backport some support for IE-only JavaScript features from the 1.8 branch though (but that was also in the RC's, I think).

    1. Re:Slashdot bug still present :( by kryptkpr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Work-around bookmarklet:

      javascript:(function(){var s=document.body.style; var x=s.display; s.display='none'; s.display=x;})()

      Not written by me, but very useful.. throw that into a bookmark, and put it on your bookmarks toolbar.

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  29. Another torrent link... by jmcmunn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Thought I would help the cause...Win32 zip torrent

    http://www.jiggybyte.com/dl/FireFox10.torrent

  30. BBC by nmg196 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The BBC now has an article on this.

    Obviously so do lots of other sites

  31. A FireFox topic on slashdot? by northcat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There seem to be a lot of FireFox related articles on slashdot and after the release of 1.0 it will only increase. So how about a new FireFox topic in the submit stories section of slashdot with the cool looking FireFox logo?

  32. Re:New Here's posting record is fanastic by datbox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "How many people who arent geeks like us will spend the time to download another browser and learn how to integrate it with their os"

    Easy. I do it for every computer I come in contact with (since everyone loves to bug me to fix their computers). Simply download firefox, set it as the default, and put it where ever the IE icon used to be.

    The best part is, most of them don't know the difference.

  33. Spread the love! by jacoplane · · Score: 4, Informative

    Help out grassroots advocacy for Firefox @ Spread Firefox. This is the community that organised the NYTimes add.

    The site seems to be down so here is the Google cache and the Corel link.

  34. Re:New Here's posting record is fanastic by Heem · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Thats all well and good for those lucky enough to have someone like us in their lives. I also do the same for the likes of my mother in law, sister in law, etc. However, how many more of them are out there that don't know one of us, or are unwilling to try something new? I say many. Too many.

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  35. Convert friends - add top 10 reasons for FF here by Kingpin · · Score: 5, Informative


    What are the top 10 reasons to use FF over IE? I'll start:

    1. Security
    Any really good arguments here?

    2. Standards
    Open standards ensure that independent vendors can compete on fair grounds. The W3C is the de facto standards body for internet standards. Firefox is implemented from the ground up based on those standards. Standard compliant websites will show in any browsers (on any platform) that also complies to the standards, and not just in a specific browser with its own standard.

    3. Extensibility
    Different users have different needs. For most, the normal Firefox distribution has all required features. For some, a specific extra feature is of considerable value. Firefox has support for plugin's, which is small custom components of code that can deliver near any functionality.

    4. Reliability
    In firefox, what you see is what you get. No hidden agendas, no spy-ware installing behind your back.

    5. Comfort
    Do you remember how the internet was a few years back when there were no annoying pop-up's and you didn't have to worry about spyware installing on your machine behind your back? With Firefox, you can once again realize that blissful sensation of using the Internet.

    6. Continuity
    Firefox is not going to stop innovating at 1.0 or whenever it has market dominance. Firefox is here to stay, and to keep evolving.

    7. Slickness
    Firefox has stunning looks and sleek controls. You can download a theme with a few clicks, or you can create your own. Firefox is hot, Internet Explorer is not.

    8. For the people, by the people
    Microsoft is not your friend. Firefox, like much open source software, is built for the people, by the people. You'll find that Firefox is surrounded by an enthusiastic community of supporters, not big business. Firefox, like other Open Source Software, is built, maintained and supported by people who believe in sharing, cooperation, and community.

    9. ?

    10.?

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  36. It's fixed by sethadam1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you download one of the nightly builds, you'll see it's actually fixed in the "trunk," but not in the "branch" 1.0 came from, because it apparently caused too many other flaky reactions.

    bug 264913
    bug 217527

    The good news is that Slashdot WORKS again in the nightlies. If you really want, you can grab a nightly build here and check it out for yourself. They are generally pretty stable, but thy sometimes f with your extensions.

    1. Re:It's fixed by dolphinling · · Score: 4, Funny

      It is? :-( I'd gotten attached to that bug... Slashdot looks all strange now without it.

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  37. "let the downloads commense" by mwood · · Score: 4, Funny

    You mean, they should all get together and make themselves equal in size? :-)

    Or was that meant to be, "commence?"

    ObOnTopicComment: Yes, Firefox is darned good. You should try it.

  38. And not only that by jandersen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unfortunately Firefox 1 also comes with a number of 'improvements' that are rather dubious. The two that I personally dislike are:

    1. The 'default plugin' which used to be a dynamic library called something like 'libnullplugin.so' is now statically linked in, which means that you can't just remove it. What it does is nag the you every bloody time you go to a page that wants to display something that requires a plugin; these plugins are used intensively in adverts, which is why I don't have them.

    2. There has always been a way to search in the displayed page - go to 'Edit -> Find in This Page' in the menu, or press CtlF. In earlier versions you had to press the 'Find Next' button in the search dialog in order to start the search. In Firefox 1.0 the search happens as you type. Some people like it, apparently, but to me it is incredibly disruptive. There are situations where you definitely don't want this functionality; one such is if you, like me, feel it hard to concentrate on the dialog box when the background moves. Another, rather lengthy example is the following:

    Assume that you work with a big text that contains a large number of complicated words, like eg (WARNING: its huge):

    http://flora.huh.harvard.edu/china/mss/volume25/ Or chidaceae_coauthoring.htm

    This is a botanical text about orchids in China, and it is full of exotic names. Let's say that you have found 'Hemipilia kwangsiensis', and you want to find other occurrences of 'kwangsiensis'. If you are like me, you press CtlF, type the word (none of this mouse stuff for me if I can avoid it) and press [Return]. Except that the wods you are looking for disappears as soon as you start typing, and now you have the problem of finding the original place in a text of about 900 pages printed. And all that just to be cool. It would definitely have been nice with an option that could turn it off.

    Apart from that it is a good browser; definitely better than IE. I can recommend v.0.9

    1. Re:And not only that by the_quark · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'll address your second first, because it's easier. Go to Tools->Options->Advanced->Accessabulity and uncheck "Begin finding when you begin typing." I'm not 100% sure that addresses all your concerns, but it's a start.

      On the first one - I realize this is a lot more of a pain than deleting libullplugin, but I think I have solution for you. I presume you are mostly complaining about flash. Download and install the adblock extension. Ad an adblock extension for *.swf, and adblock will block all flash for you, and I'm betting that'll happen before it looks for the plugin and stop the warnings.

    2. Re:And not only that by Greyfox · · Score: 2, Informative
      You can get an extension off the extensions page that replaces flash with an play icon. You have to install the extension, then go to tools->extensions to activate it, then restart. That seemed to stop it from nagging me about flash, which is the only plugin I ever seem to run up against that causes that sort of trouble. Then you don't need to install flash unless you actually want to play one of those things.

      You can also get the nuke anything extension and just remove the offending object, but that takes sightly more effort.

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    3. Re:And not only that by Kevertje · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is possible to turn this off:

      Go to Tools > Options

      In that dialog, go to the 'Advanced' pane

      Open up 'Accessibility' (if it isn't open already) and turn off 'Begin finding when you begin typing'

      It would definitely have been nice with an option that could turn it off.
      Your wish has been granted ;-)

    4. Re:And not only that by BorgDrone · · Score: 2, Informative

      Point one: enter about:config into the adres bar, filter on "plugin" , play around with the plugin.default_plugin_disabled and application.use_ns_plugin_finder settings

    5. Re:And not only that by binux · · Score: 3, Informative

      May I suggest the flashblock extension instead. It replaces the flash animation with a box containing a play button. Click the play button if you think you want to watch the flash animation.

    6. Re:And not only that by superyooser · · Score: 2, Informative

      To search for links, type an apostrophe (') before you type your text. You can change the default behavior in the preferences by typing about:config in the location bar.

  39. Don't be fooled ! by Ploum · · Score: 3, Funny

    It 's shame !

    Don't be fooled ! Why you must keep Internet Explorer at all cost

  40. But the real question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...is when is the Mozilla Suite (which is here now, reliable and stable) going to have the new features in Firefox like live bookmarks (RSS feeds as bookmarks) and improved tab controls (a pretty killer feature as you can set URLs opened by other programs to always open in a new tab instead of 'raping' your current one). Plus, when is the suite's mail client getting the juicy new features from Thunderbird such as RSS support, saved search folders (a real killer feature) and improved grouping?

    I don't understand why Mozilla is ignoring the suite. It's a great product and is widely used. I personally have been seriously using the suite since about 0.6 and I can't understand why everyone's gone against it. If you have even 256 MB RAM it's fast. Yes it does take longer than IE to load up, but I start up Moz when I start my PC and don't close it until I shut down.

    I think it's sad the development of the suite has really slowed now.

    1. Re:But the real question... by Jagasian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Screw those features, Firefox needs some real download management features. I often resort to downloading via an xterm with wget, just because I know that it is more reliable and has resuming features.

      But I do agree that the Mozilla browsers need better tab management too. Java script open new window should optionally just open a new tab instead, for those that like to keep a tidy desktop. Same goes for pop-ups: they should optionally just open a new tab.

    2. Re:But the real question... by mccutchen · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Read the roadmap: http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap.html It explains why development seems to be focused on Firefox and Thunderbird instead of the Mozilla suite.

    3. Re:But the real question... by CTho9305 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The suite is not being ignored. Live bookmarks are in the Suite, as are all the Thunderbird features you mentioned. Tabbed-browser improvements are being added as well.

      The reason you don't see this yet is development happens on trunk (currently 1.8a6), but the current release is on the 1.7 branch. Generally when a version branches, features are not backported to it - only more important and stable updates (crash fixes, rendering fixes, etc) get included. If you download a trunk nightly, you'll find all of these features.

      Unfortunately, due to the Firefox hype, there are few users testing the 1.8 alphas, meaning that 1.8 will have to stay in alpha longer (it's on alpha 6 right now) before moving to beta and eventually release. A lot of the developers who work on Mozilla projects don't use, like, or care about Fireofx - the suite is not going to die any time soon.

  41. I care by sethadam1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Some of us require browsers for work - web developers, researchers, IT people. Firefox contributes GREATLY to producitivity: tabbed browsing with middle click background-opening is unmatched in IE. It makes google'ing 10 times faster.

    Plus, it's so much easier as an IT manager, because IE is a friggin magnet for shit - people end up with so much junk on their computer that DOES come from IE. Exploits are written for IE, and IE is more flawed than any other browser and the security fixes take longer than any other browser.

    Maybe you SHOULD care!

    1. Re:I care by Mant · · Score: 2, Informative

      For web development, the Javascript console, DOM Inspector, web developer and javascript debuggers are a godsend. It makes dealing with CSS and Javasctipt so much quicker and easier.

  42. Tried with fres profile? by Freggy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try to remove your old profile. You can export your bookmarks first and reimport them later on.

  43. Use Mirrors by loconet · · Score: 4, Informative

    Please people, use the mirrors or the mozilla.org ftp redirect. The plugin finder is suffering from the slashdotting and massive surge in traffic. We don't want to drive people away as the first thing they experience is problems finding/updating their extensions/themes.

    http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/rel eases/

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  44. Re:Torrents by Denis+Lemire · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sweet. Pulled it down from the torrent in seconds. Can't even reach Mozilla.org or spreadfirefox.com or any of those sites right now. They are simply swamped.

    I wonder how bad my home server would get pounded if I were to post a link to the FireFox 1.0 download. Go ahead, pound it... It's a special occassion. ;)

  45. Dear Mozilla team, by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Congratulations!

    Here's to an excellent release that shows what the power of open source and community effort can really accomplish. Well done!

  46. Had to completely uninstall the Preview Release by clubin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Using the executable installer to install to the path of my existing Firefox installation (PR1) resulted in the browser's shell completely flaking out when the browser was eventually launched. No start page would load. The Bookmarks menu was empty (clicking on Manage Bookmarks and then returning to the Bookmarks menu solved this). Visiting web pages didn't seem to affect the interface whatsoever (i.e.: no active back button, no loading page animation, no updating of location bar, etc.). In general, the shell seemed disconnected from the application itself.

    A normal uninstall, followed by a re-install did not solve the problem. Files were left in the install directory and, when prompted, I chose to wipe out the entire directory. Only after performing a complete uninstall (completely deleting the install path, but preserving the profiles) and reinstalling did Firefox work properly. Your mileage may vary, but I hope this isn't a widespread problem, as a 1.0 release isn't the time for screwups like this.

    Might I have been doing something wrong? Installing a new version to the old path seems to be a a well-supported idiom, as I've been doing that for ages without problems with all manners of programs.

    1. Re:Had to completely uninstall the Preview Release by OldCrasher · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yup, you have to completely uninstall the prior version. The uninstall WILL NOT remove your prior settings, they are retained. It's an act of faith, just Believe! Brothers and Sisters!

      Ahem... Sorry for that outburst, I am a survivor of the vi / emacs religious wars and sometimes I get flash backs.....

    2. Re:Had to completely uninstall the Preview Release by cortana · · Score: 3, Informative
      One of the most prominent entries in the Release Notes states that you MUST NOT install the new Firefox over an old version. In fact, this has been true for as long as I remember. Just because it didn't cause problems vor you in the past doesn't mean that it will always work.

      In fact, it's probably best to create a new profile, the one I've lugged around since 0.4 has probably gotten a bit crufty. :)

    3. Re:Had to completely uninstall the Preview Release by Mournblade · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, what it says is "When installing as a restricted access user do not attempt to install over an installation in a restricted-access/shared location as this may destroy that installation." (at least, that's what's on the page you linked).

      Nowhere do the release notes say that you must not install new versions over old. Having used the suite since .9 and dabbling w/Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox occasionally over it's development cycle, I am well aware that the release notes used to say that, but they no longer do.

      Having said that, if you can post a link to a page that reads as you say it does, please do. Instructions like that should be featured prominently in the release notes.

  47. Hide and Merge the sidebar? by Deathlizard · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just installed Firefox today, and being a Mozilla user there's one thing that firefox doesn't do that mozilla does that I've grown accustomed with.

    In Mozilla, you could hide the sidebar by clicking in the middle of the edge of the sidebar. In Firefox they removed that and now to close the bar you have to click on the X
    similar to how IE handles them. It also seems that you cannot merge sidebars, such as the history and favorites, so you can't view them both at the same time.

    Is there a theme or a way to return that functionality in firefox short of rewriting the whole thing?

  48. Looks like Google and Firefox have brains by northcat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems Google and Firefox developers really have some grey matter. For a long time Microsoft's strategy has been to use one of its existing monopoly in a market to monopolize another market - Browser, Search Engine, E-mail, Server, You name it. The thing is that all of its program depend on one another - or as Microsoft would have loved to put it, "integrate" with one another. The only way for Microsoft Competitors to compete against Microsoft is to unite - an Office Suite provider can team with a graphics software provider, a server side software provider can team up with a client side software provider, or in this case, a search engine can team up with a Browser. But, Microsoft still has a monopoly in the desktop market and it can use/abuse it to gain marketshare in the search engine and browser fields. So now if Google/Firefox want to make sure they dont't just disappear they have to team up with other desktops like Mac or the open source desktops like KDE/GNOME. Anyway, this looks like an intelligent move by both Google and Firefox. Now google can get a share of Firefox's (increasing number of) users and Firefox will great (customized for Firefox) start page by Google to attract new users.

  49. Moox Build by neosake · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here are the Moox cpu-optimized builds for windows (I've been using these since 0.9.3, and they seem significantly faster on my Athlon XP).

    Enjoy

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  50. Mirror, mirror on the wall... by citizenkeller · · Score: 2, Informative
    A couple more mirrors:
    http://almaren.ch/download/firefox-1.0/
    http://publipress.com/download/firefox-1.0/

    The various versions and locales are slowly trickling in.

    (Yes, it's my Official Kharma Whoring Day...)

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  51. Re:slashdotted already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    Congratulations! I think you just set a record: Angriest AC post complaining about everyday Slashdot phenomena...

    Finish your coffee, you'll feel better.

  52. Re:Convert friends - add top 10 reasons for FF her by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't know what 9 should be, but 10 should be "Profit!"

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  53. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  54. Workaround. by nlinecomputers · · Score: 4, Informative

    Open Firefox and put about:config in the address line.

    Put app.extensions.version in the filter.

    Change value from 1.0 to 0.10

    Most, if not all, extensions that work in PR should work now.

    Your extensions will have to be reactivated by right clicking on each extension and selecting Enable.

    Use at your own risk...Lawyers make me say that...

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    1. Re:Workaround. by ksaylor · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thanks for posting this, now about:config has been /.'ed!! Anybody have a mirror?

  55. Re:New Here's posting record is fanastic by XMyth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Right because if, by chance, it does cause a problem then a solution is only a 1 minute phone call away.

    Certainly Firefox will prevent more problems than it would cause anyways.

  56. Re:New Here's posting record is fanastic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well we don't neccesarily need to convert everyone, and there are those who will simply always prefer IE over Mozilla for whatever reason. The internet just needs a significant market share of more than ONE browser - espeically a standards complient one like Opera or Mozilla, etc.

    If people really want their virus ridden browser, then that's fine - I just want enough market share to take the web back.

  57. Re:New Here's posting record is fanastic by Heem · · Score: 4, Informative

    The only problems I've seen firefox cause are not the fault of firefox, but of poor web design. Those web designers who don't bother to test their work on anything but IE. IMHO, if you are going to be doing web design for anything more then your own personal page, you need to have numerous browsers installed on your machine, and either physical boxes or VMware session to other OSes to test, test ,test. But I suppose that is lost to many.

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  58. Re:New Here's posting record is fanastic by rapcomp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Better yet, I just change the target of the IE shortcut to point to Firefox.

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  59. Re:I don't mind FireFox but... by bunratty · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's not that themes are so complex. It's that a trivial change to Firefox code can break all themes. That requires a new release of the theme, resulting in point releases.

    It's just like adding a new UI element with text can break a localization. Localizations without a translation for the new text won't work properly.

    Now that Firefox 1.0 is out, the themes can be frozen and won't break for Firefox 1.0.x.

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  60. Re: Find by akiaki007 · · Score: 4, Informative

    First of all, by default, you have to type '/' to activate the search as you find tool. Also, the Edit->Find features are still there. Type Control+F and the field will come up so you can type in whatever you want. And then you type in what you want, and then hit enter. Then to search again you can hit F3 or Control+G. So I really don't understand your gripe at all. If you want to change the search/find utility to automatically search as you type (meaning, no typing '/' first), then you can do that as well via Tools-Options->Advanced->Accessibility->2 nd Option.

    So...I'm pretty sure I understood your post correctly, but it didn't make much sense, because you can still do CtrlF, F3 as you did before. That has not changed. If I'm wrong, then reply to this.

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  61. Re:Who did the artwork? by bunratty · · Score: 2, Informative
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  62. Take the "5 days with Firefox" challenge by citizenkeller · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This is mainly aimed at Windows users (we know you're there!), but here it goes:
    1. Read the "Why Use Firefox?" document
    2. Go download Firefox and install it
    3. Use Firefox as you default browser for 5 days
    4. If, after 5 days, you're still not convinced that Firefox is the best browser there is, uninstall it and switch back
    (From an original idea on Spread Firefox, but the site is -surprise!- currently unreachable)
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  63. XUL deserves more light by anpe · · Score: 4, Informative

    9. XUL really rocks:
    Have a look here: http://www.faser.net/mab/chrome/content/mab.xul

  64. New? by FuzzyDaddy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Look at his username... He's "New Here".

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  65. Re:Google Search Bar by heinousjay · · Score: 2

    I tell ya what, I'll just mindlessly skip installing the neato program.

    I bet you won't have any problems there.

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  66. Re:Convert friends - add top 10 reasons for FF her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1. Security
    Any really good arguments here?

    I'm not sure if you want arguments for or against Firefox, but its security track record is abysmal. There are still UI spoofing security holes relating to XUL, and some of these have been known about for a very long time. It was far worse off than Internet Explorer when it comes to unchecked buffers. Hole-for-hole, it's no better than Internet Explorer.

    4. Reliability

    They keep breaking themes and extensions every point release. That's unacceptable from an end-user's perspective.

  67. I'm sticking with 10.1 for a few weeks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Too many extensions broke with the 1.0 PR's and now 1.0 final.

    Early adoption is bad in this case if you are trying to be productive daily with it.

    10.1 is the most compatible so far, fewest bugs and they took out some features I liked after 10.1 like the easy stylesheet switcher in the statusbar.

  68. Re:Unofficial Change Log by tksh · · Score: 5, Informative
    If you're wondering what's new in 1.0, here's a link to the unofficial changed log (link grabbed from mozilla.org's FF release notes).

    In case it gets slashdotted, new features:
    • New options for controlling where links from other applications open.
    • New experimental options for controlling where links in web pages open. To make these experimental options appear, set browser.tabs.showSingleWindowModePrefs to true in about:config.
    • Firefox is now available in 14 languages.

    And improvements:
    • "Sort by name" in Bookmarks should sort siblings, not children.
    • Information bar (blocked popup, missing plugin, etc) should be closeable.
    • View Source should use Find Toolbar.
    • Find toolbar loses content when new tab clicked.
    • Disable sites reloading onresize. (Many sites reload onresize to work around bugs in Netscape 4. This caused problems in Firefox due to tabs, the Find bar, and information bars.)
  69. Up-to-date mirror by anpe · · Score: 2, Informative

    I successfully grabbed a copy from here

  70. Where is Preferences? by TooLazyToLogon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The pre-release still had Preferences under Edit in the File Menu in the linux version while the Windows version had it under the Tools menu. Does the new release have the same irritating inconsistency?

    1. Re:Where is Preferences? by jsebrech · · Score: 3, Informative

      I believe this was done for consistency with microsoft's software in windows. The logical place is indeed under edit, but usability has little to do with logic. If most windows users expect it under tools, under tools it must go.

    2. Re:Where is Preferences? by cicho · · Score: 5, Informative

      I disagree. "Edit" menu contains editing commands, right? Cut, copy, paste, delete (no matter if it spplies to text, image or other content). What's logical about placing Options there?

      It's just as illogical to put options under "View" menu, which is meant for managing the way content is displayed in the program. You don't just "view" options, you view and modify them. "Tools" is a kind of a catch-all, but it makes most sense of the three.

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    3. Re:Where is Preferences? by EMR · · Score: 2, Informative

      I am with you on that.. In firefox 0.8 it was under tools where it belongs.. Preferences has absolutely nothing to do with anything else in the edit menu, where as it DOES in the tools menu, as I go configure my extensions in the tools menu. I configure my themes, download manager, adblock, user agent switcher, etc.. All in the tools menu..

      Need to write an extension for firefox to put the menu in the CORRECT place. Every other application on my linux desktop puts it under tools, or settings menus.. very few if any put it under edit anymore on linux boxes.. So their reasoning is invalid.

    4. Re:Where is Preferences? by Gallowglass · · Score: 2, Informative
      While I agree with you, the world reality in design is that existing conventions should probably be followed. If everybody has been putting "Options" under "Edit", and you don't; then you are asking your clients to learn a new location for "Options".

      This is often referred to as "P---ing off your customers" and generally garners resentment. Much as back a number of years ago, we snarled at WordPerfect for its unique use of the F3 key for "Help".

      Suggested reading: "The Design of Everyday Objects" (Originally, "The Psychology of Everyday Things"n) by Donald Norman.

      (IMNSHO, every programmer should read/own this book.)

  71. Anyone seen this yet? by Westech · · Score: 5, Interesting

    FF Default Home page?

    Die, MSN, die!

  72. Re:Can someone confirm a few things? by Yaztromo · · Score: 2, Informative
    Is this browser compatible with banking sites?

    Depends completely on your bank. Mine works just fine -- but it's up to your bank to either create a standards-based solution, or one that is locked into IE.

    Is it really faster than Safari in Mac OS X?

    I'm going to disagree with the crowd a bit and say "yes", but with a caveat.

    On my PowerBook G4 12" (Rev. C), FireFox v1.0 feels faster than Safari (in 10.3.6) -- but this could be in part because of the ad-blocking features in FireFox which don't exist in Safari (also the primary reason why FireFox is my browser-of-choice on OS X, over both Safari and Camino), which puts Safari at a disadvantage (as on many sites, it's downloading and rendering more data than FireFox is on the same sites).

    HTH!

    Yaz.

  73. The best thing about Firefox (and OpenOffice) is by Nice2Cats · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ... that you don't have to give a rat's ass anymore about what opering system you use. I run Firebird on Linux and run Firebird on Mac OS X and would run Firebird on Windows NT at work, except for the fact that my company has a contract with Microsoft that forbids us using anything but their software. Same thing with OpenOffice.org: Who cares anymore what the operating system is? Edit the same files with the same program on different systems. All for free. Oh, and did I mention the Videl Lan Client (VLC)?

    The same might be true at some point for ThunderBird, but at the moment, KMail is just so far ahead of everything else that hurts. When that happens, though, Microsoft should be very, very afraid: If you don't need to care about the operating system anymore for 95 percent of the things you do, you don't need to pay all that money to actually buy one from them.

  74. Re:Too bad it runs like ass on my computer. by codepunk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No I think it is your computer that is running like ass because I have only half the machine you got and
    mine smokes.

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  75. One more mirror by Poleris · · Score: 3, Informative

    This one is right at the hub of NYC. Big pipes.

    http://www.friedneko.com/Firefox Setup 1.0.exe

  76. Re:what firefox needs by MrPink2U · · Score: 5, Informative

    Firefox for Windows has built in NTLM authentication. Type your username/password combo in and go nuts.

  77. Re:Migrating from the Mozilla Suite by Drantin · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sorry that I can't give a definitive answer, using a gov't computer atm... but IIRC mozilla and firefox store their favorites in an html file (netscape 7 definitely did...) and you could just copy the file from one directory to another, or look for settings that point to a settings directory? maybe in about:config...

    as for having them both installed, if you use a zip file rather than an exe installer, you can have as many versions as you want installed concurrently, although you may have to set up multiple personal profiles depending on when configuration storing changed, etc...

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  78. firefox 1.0 installer overwrote my bookmarks by mwilliamson · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dammit! I'm left with an empty bookmark folder and to my dismay, bookmarks.bak has also been overwritten after installing firefox 1.0. Be warned!!!

  79. No XUL? by Fragmented_Datagram · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hmmm... I wonder why they didn't create a page using XUL, like this page:

    Google XUL

    This has become my new homepage in Firefox, although I wish it was centered...

    1. Re:No XUL? by say · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hmmm... I wonder why they didn't create a page using XUL, like this page:

      I wonder... could it be because it's ugly, looks different on different platforms, takes four times as long to load and provides no extra benefit for the user?

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  80. Re:Not until Spellbound is updated... by jakob_grimm · · Score: 2, Funny

    I use spell check a lot, especially when posting here.

    Why? No one else does. :)

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  81. Not really by DogDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't the whole point behind auto update is that it does it for you, or it at least tells you that an update is available? It seems to me that auto update isn't working at all. I've gotten no notification of any kind on any of our boxes.

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    1. Re:Not really by t_pet422 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you go to about:config and find the key app.update.interval, you'll see that it's set to 86400000 milliseconds, or one day. Which leads me to believe it checks once every 24 hours.

    2. Re:Not really by chinmay7 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Infact, there is an update notification. It's not great, perhaps there should be a more obvious one, but here's a screenshot of what I got [on 1.0 PR]

  82. The Coral Mirror Link by hunte · · Score: 2
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  83. Try to MOOX Power by fok · · Score: 2, Informative
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  84. Don't forget by Phantasmo · · Score: 3, Informative

    the student/IT worker's best friend, Portable Firefox. Works great off of my USB keydrive. :D

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  85. Re:Page rendering errors by flex941 · · Score: 2, Informative

    This a known problem/bug for many Firefox relases. For some of them this occured more frequently. For some, less. It should be fixed in Firefox CVS, but Firefox team didn't want to include this in 1.0 because they were afraid the fix could break some other sites.

  86. Does it still garble .NET pages? by Avalanche_Joe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been using Firefox for a couple of months now. Used Netscape for years - yeah, I actually bought a shrink-wrapped version of Netscape, that included one year of free upgrades. Woo hoo! I use IE only for sites that I have to.

    That said, I puked the other day when I surfed to my new ASP.NET hosted site and Firefox couldn't handle it! The layout was screwed up, the label colors and borders were wrong, etc.

    Being a developer, I understand the need to handle different clients. But do I have to create a dumbed-down version of the site for Firefox users (myself being one of them)?

    Does 1.0 handle ASP.NET better that previous versions?

    -A_J

    (Flame on, Slashdotters. I expect nothing less. And let me preempt the "learn php" or "learn XYZ" posts: I'd love to have the time to learn every language, platform, or whatever, that is out there - but I can't. I'm not an uber-geek (OMG, I used uber-, that is so last century) and cannot, no will not, spend all of my free time in front of a computer.)

    1. Re:Does it still garble .NET pages? by wcrowe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't take this as a flame. As a developer, I have empathy for your position.

      Just keep in mind that Microsoft is going to create their tools to work properly ONLY with their browser. Using these tools, therefore, will risk alienating a certain percentage of users.

      You have to decide if it is more important to you to use a tool which makes it easier to design websites, and therefore alienate a certain percentage of browsers, or try to create a website to satisfy the maximum number of users.

      The parallel that I usually draw is I ask people, "Would you refuse to answer the phone n% of the time? If not, why treat web browsers the same way?" This helps put things into perspective.

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    2. Re:Does it still garble .NET pages? by frankie · · Score: 2, Informative

      just wondering, what happens when you run your "new ASP.NET hosted site" through The Validator?

  87. Not to be a whore or anything but... by Fnkmaster · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you are a regular Slashdot surfer, you might want to check out my extension, SlashFix which fixes the very annoying Slashdot rendering errors in the Firefox 1.0 branch.

    These errors are fixed in the Mozilla trunk source code, but for apparently sound reasons, the developers didn't want to check the fixes into the 1.0 branch, apparently because they caused problems with some other, unnamed web sites. SlashFix is a good interim solution so you don't feel compelled to start up IE just to surf your favorite geek time-waste.

    1. Re:Not to be a whore or anything but... by DarkHelmet · · Score: 2, Informative

      I read this a while back from an earlier post, but you can fix the rendering problems on slashdot easily by pressing CTRL-+ and then CTRL-- (control and plus, control and minus). When resizing the text, slashdot is rendered properly. In any case, cool plugin :). The slashdot bug will be fixed in the next release, though.

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    2. Re:Not to be a whore or anything but... by Fnkmaster · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, it's pretty much impossible that it's not working, since it is just a couple lines of Javascript that gets run when the document.onload event is triggered. If you load Slashdot and see the left margin "jump" into place just as the page finishes loading, that's the Javascript working.

      What you are probably seeing is that document.onload doesn't get triggered until the pageload is 100% completed, and this is mentioned on my website on believe. Occasionally (usually when under heavy load, or when you are on a slow/shitty connection) Slashdot seems to hang just before it finishes loading in Firefox, and the pageload never finishes, or takes an absurdly long time to finish loading. In this case, the "fix" Javascript never gets triggered. This has happened a couple of times to me since installing my own Slashfix extension, but the situation is far, far better than it was before (it happens on maybe 3-4% of Slashdot pageviews for me, versus 70-75% of pageviews).

      If I could figure out how to write a chunk of Javascript into the page mid-page load, or to do pseudo-HTML-rewriting-proxy stuff like Adblock, then the fix would be perfect. If you know how to do this, please submit a patch to me, or just let me know, I will gladly include it in an update of Slashfix.

      Did I forget to mention how atrocious the documentation on writing Firefox extensions is? Yes, it's pretty atrocious, just figuring out how to do something as trivial as attach to the document.onload events was nowhere to be found in documentation, had to find an example in somebody else's extension.

  88. Re:New Here's posting record is fanastic by datbox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "I guess that depends on whether you consider having someone who installs software on your machine and replaces your defaults without your knowledge a good thing. I sure don't."

    Sounds pretty trollish, but I'll bite.
    Say you see a little baby hitting him/herself in the head with a wooden bat and you just happen to have a nice soft rubber bat, what do you do? Duh, you swap bats. The baby won't notice, and less concussions will ensue. (Granted, if you see babies hitting themselves in the head with a wooden bat, you have bigger problems on your hands.)

    Believe it or not, the average person doesn't give a flying fsck what browser is installed on their computer as long as it works. Are they motivated enough to replace their defaults or do they even know how to? No.

    Do the right thing and give them a rubber bat!

  89. Portable Firefox updated, too by jddqr · · Score: 2, Informative
    Portable Firefox (Firefox on a USB keychain or whatnot) has been updated to 1.0 as well. The advantage of this is that you can take the browser wherever you go, and your bookmarks, extensions, etc. go with you...

    http://johnhaller.com/jh/mozilla/portable_firefox/

    Great stuff!!

  90. M0z!ll4 F1r3f0x by CTho9305 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Firefox - l33test browser ever.

    Language Pack XPI
    Locale-switcher extension (updated for Firefox 1.0)

  91. 411 on MOOX builds [Re:Mirrors] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Quick FYI/FAQ on MOOX's builds...

    The website is here: http://moox.ws and the MOOX versions of the official builds are here: http://www.moox.ws/tech/mozilla/releasebuilds.htm

    As for how these builds are different
    1) Moox uses a number of compiler and linker optimizations to take advantage of specific CPU architecture features (see http://moox.ws/tech/mozilla/#Mdefs for details).
    2) Moox uses a number of other source code changes developed himself and another builder that further optimize the source code - help with certain computations, alignments, image processing, etc.
    3) Moox also adds in patches from bugzilla to enable features that are not yet in the source tree, stablize the builds further, and make the builds more user friendly.

    Moox will also be releasing localized, language specific builds of the official Firefox 1.0 source beginning later this afternoon. He says he will localize all of the M builds into more than 25 different localizations. These will begin to be available after 5:30PM CST on 2004.11.09 according to a post in his forum (http://moox.ws/forum).

  92. Should I switch from Opera by danila · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The big question is should I now switch from Opera? Or even should I download Firefox to try it and possibly compliment Opera?

    I dunno, if Firefox is just a better, more secure and more usable IE/Netscape, I don't know what would I get. There was a comparision with Mozilla already in the thread, of course with IE too, but no mention of Opera. Can anyone "spread Firefox" for me? Do I need it as an Opera user?

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  93. Moox Torrents by Quizo69 · · Score: 4, Informative

    With thanks to escaflo:

    Moox Firefox 1.0 M1 (MMX) Torrent

    Moox Firefox 1.0 M2 (SSE) Torrent

    Moox Firefox 1.0 M3 (SSE2) Torrent

    Use the torrents and save his bandwidth.

  94. Hehe :) Firefox slashdotted slashdot's RSS :) by carlmenezes · · Score: 3, Informative

    HEHEE...

    Think about it...
    TONS of geeks downloading Firefox.
    Each copy of Firefox has a live bookmark pointing to slashdot.
    Slashdot's RSS news feed get's slashdotted and Cmdr. Taco goes nuts :)
    Finally, this is what happened :)

    I really wonder what the present download count is!

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  95. Warning about MOOX by Zarxrax · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just downloaded this MOOX build, the m3 version (I have a pentium 4). First off, I got it up and running, and I noticed my bookmarks werent working at all--you click on them and absolutely nothing happens. I then noticed that it had CHANGED my windows wallpaper with a solid bright GREEN image. I don't know wtf this build is doing messing with my wallpaper, but I'm going to reccommend against people downloading this.

  96. Its been hours, where's my SUSE RPM build? by thehunger · · Score: 2

    What's this?!
    I saw the news on slashdot, finished what I was doing at work, went home, fired up YaST, then Synaptic and neither has the 1.0 release yet.

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  97. Re:Convert friends - add top 10 reasons for FF her by phallstrom · · Score: 3, Funny

    10. Profit!

  98. Re:Unofficial Change Log by beerits · · Score: 2, Informative

    Apple-` will switch between the windows of the active application.

  99. MozParty2 -- Don't forget! by Wolfgame · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Don't forget to hit your local MozParty. Parties are listed at http://www.openforce.com/mozparty2

    I'll be hosting the one for New York City. Info for that one at http://www.openforce.com/mozparty2/?party=179

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  100. Acoustic couplers were only 110 baud by dananderson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Accoustic couplers are only 110 baud. When 300 baud modems with direct connection to a phone line became legal in the early 1980s it was great. With 110 you watch every character slowly spit out. You appreciated the breviety of the UNIX command line and the short command names (ls, cp, mv, ln, rm).

    1. Re:Acoustic couplers were only 110 baud by epine · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You appreciated the breviety of the UNIX command line and the short command names (ls, cp, mv, ln, rm).

      There was a discussion here recently about how buffer manipulations in C are inherently unsafe. What people forget is that many of the original C string functions didn't even take arguments for buffer protection. That historical oddity resulted from 110 baud accoustic modems connected to development systems equally capable. Back then, you appreciated not having to add extra parameters to function calls because it made life bearable in other dimensions.

      I'd like to see a competition for the best engineered Java program written within a 24 hour time period over a 110 baud glass TTY to a PDP8. After reading the code that results, perhaps more people would appreciate that many historically crappy (and obscure) coding practices did not originate as conceptual errors.

    2. Re:Acoustic couplers were only 110 baud by Hawke666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then explain to me why I own a 300 baud acoustically-coupled modem?

      or does "acoustically-coupled" refer to something other than placing the handset in a receptacle on the modem?

    3. Re:Acoustic couplers were only 110 baud by ocelotbob · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know if they still make them; it's been a few years since I've seen them, but acoustic couplers eventually got up to 9600 baud. Of course, they were of limited usage, mostly around for places like hotels which had digital phone systems which would fry a modem hooked up to them.

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  101. Re:Tabbed Browsing by fok · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm using Firefox 1.0 (MOOX M2) and the shortcut is ctrl+#

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  102. Optimized official builds? by Gogo+Dodo · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I've been reading Burning Edge and see references to optimized builds. Is there some reason why there is not official releases of optimized builds? I understand wanting to create as generic of a binary as possible, but official optimized builds would be nice. The tin-foil hat person in me doesn't trust these third-party builds nor do I really want to compile Firefox myself.

    And example of releasing multiple builds would be the MAME group.

  103. 1 sec? by earthstar · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Takes less space on drive and in memory, starts in one second
    1 second?
    On my PIII,20 GB [ lots of free space ],64 MB RAM machine, firefox loads in 13 seconds.
    I upgraed the RAM to 128 MB. Now it takes 10 seconds to load!
    But the pages are faster though.
  104. Re:The best thing about Firefox (and OpenOffice) i by Hmmble · · Score: 2, Informative
    OpenOffice on MacosX without X11 dependency (NeoOffice): http://www.neooffice.org/

    OpenOffice with X11: http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/ooo-osx_download s.html

  105. a doubt abt adblock by earthstar · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have a question about adblock.Since Iam billed according to the amount of data I download,I ask this.
    When I use adblock to block *.swf files, does it prevent it from getting downloaded or is it that it gets downloaded ,but isnt displayed?

  106. Re:address bar keywords by ip_vjl · · Score: 4, Informative

    Go to the site that has the search for which you want to create a keyword.

    On that site, Right click the form field and choose 'Add a keyword for this search' ... it will prompt you with the save bookmark dialog .. there will be a box labeled 'keyword' - enter the keyword you want to use.

    Once added, FF will allow you to use that keyword in exactly the way you described.

    You can also add them manually, by mucking with the URL the way you describe, but this UI method allows you to do it and automatically creates the passable fields for you.

  107. Tabbed browsing broken for 2 years by Coward+Anonymous · · Score: 2, Interesting

    not to be a ninny, but when are they going to fix the tabbed focus stealing bug? This is an extermely irritating and confusing bug that affects every user using tabs.

    1. Re:Tabbed browsing broken for 2 years by Brendan+Eich · · Score: 2

      No, read comment 202 -- this bug was fixed, thanks to jst implementing something based on an idea I pitched after I wrote comment 158, in Firefox 1.0 and Mozilla 1.7.x (x in the future still, but soon). It's not fixed in Camino, but it could be. /be

  108. torrent status: Linux vs. Windows by mwilliamson · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I started a couple torrent downloads from the .torrent file on mozilla's ftp server this morning and now have some interesting stats.

    Linux: 1.1 Gig Up
    Windows: 54.7 Megs Up

    Gig' Em
    -Michael

  109. Re:FP! by amembrane · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just downloaded it, I've been using Avant Browser, which also has pop-up blocking as well as flash blocking, ad blocking, and tabbed browsing. It runs on top of IE, so it more vulnerable, but the feature it has that I miss so far in Firefox is mouse gestures (right-click then left click to go back, vice versa to go forward). Does anyone know of a way to do this in Firefox?

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  110. Re:FB! by SoSueMe · · Score: 2, Interesting
    You make it sound like this is an attitude exclusivly to Mozilla developers.

    I can assure(maybe unassure?) you that this is not the case.
    This attitude is prevalent across many development areas.
    Why?
    Ego.
    You have to have a significant ego level to think these things can be accomplished.

    I have spent the last 5 and 1/2 years in testing and test lead positions and recognize that the level of confidence required the create software from nothing is huge.
    The
    "Impossible! Go fuck yourself neil[at]neilpearce.com - Lotsa abuse - Oh... Ah... Hmmm.... You seen this? - Errr... Shit! - Hmmm..."
    is just unprofessional. Not atypical, but very unprofessional.

  111. Torrent by scum-e-bag · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here is the torrent.

    http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/r el eases/1.0/source/firefox-1.0-source.tar.bz2.torren t

    Looks like you are going to have to compile it yourself.

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  112. Firefox on CBC Radio by wrecked · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It's the end of the day, and this post will probably be buried, but for the sake of the record...

    I was just driving home, and the CBC Radio (am) show "As It Happens" just featured a segment on the Firefox 1.0 release. It's finally mainstream!

  113. Re:How do I uninstall Firefox completely? by brenQ(*) · · Score: 2, Informative
  114. Re:FP! by ravenlock · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes there is. It's called all-in-one gestures. Look for it at http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/ under "mouse gestures". It's very configurable.