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Preview of KDE 3.4
comforteagle writes "In this month's KDE: From the Source George Staikos details what is to be expected from the upcoming 3.4 version of KDE. An Alpha release is due any minute so you might as well know what you're in for if you're a loyal K head. Some changes include major rework within KHTML & Konqueror, Subversion support, and Apple's Rendezvous."
I believe Apple changed the name for that. The internal name is ZeroConf.
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KDE 3.3.2 was tagged today, so we should see a new bug fix release of KDE in the first or second week of December. Earlier this past week, the plans for a KDE 3.4 release were also finalized. This will be the last major KDE 3 release before KDE 4. KDE 4 will make use of the Qt 4 library which promises to be quite a revolution for KDE and all Qt applications, but will break binary compatibility with previous releases.
The release schedule for KDE 3.4 plans for an alpha release December 3, a beta release January 7, and a final release March 16 2005. The 3.4 release will bring a large number of features and functionality enhancements over previous KDE 3 releases. Here are some of the features already implemented:
Hardware Support
- Support for special keyboard keys on Dell Inspiron and ASUS laptops.
- A new battery monitor (under development).
- media:/ addition to the KDE I/O subsystem to list devices on the system.
KHTML and Konqueror
Konqueror
- KHTML has undergone major work lately, though much of it will appear in KDE 3.3.2. Merging with Safari fixes continues, alone with new work and fixes by KDE developers. Site compatibility continues to improve, stability is very much improved, and KWallet no longer blocks Konqueror while waiting for a password.
- Support for multiple site logins with KWallet (for all protocols, but not HTML form completions yet) added.
- A notifier was added to visually indicate when user-agent spoofing is active.
- KHTML plug-ins are now configurable, so the user can selectively disable ones that are not used. This does not include Netscape-style plug-ins.
- Netscape plug-in in CPU usage can be manually lowered, and plug-ins are more stable.
- Over the past couple of months, confirmed KHTML and Konqueror bug reports have been on a significant decline as bugs are fixed more rapidly and fewer are reported.
E-Mail and Personal Information Management
- Major improvements in synchronization, including support for synchronizing between two PCs.
- Enhanced support for groupware servers, including Exchange 2000, OpenGroupware, Kolab 1 and 2, SLOX, Groupwise, and eGroupware.
SLOX
- XFace support for associating faces with mail and news articles.
- Blogging and journal support.
- KMail supports KWallet.
- Client-side IMAP search support.
- Improved drag and drop in KMail.
- Improved anti-spam support in KMail.
- Uncountable other e-mail, organizer and address-book enhancements.
Kopete
- Novell Groupwise and Lotus Sametime protocol support added.
- Support for adding URLs to bookmarks.
- Drag and drop of files and contacts.
- The NetMeeting plug-in now allows the use of arbitrary applications to start a chat.
- Support for incoming MSN messages that are handwritten.
- An adium look-alike chat window style.
KPDF
- KPDF includes new numerous new features including:
- New rendering engine.
- Optimizations and enhancements for zoom, search, and thumbnails.
- Better printing (using Postscript directly).
- Support for password protected PDFs.
- Image extraction support.
- Nicer user interface in general.
Libraries
- QCA - A complete cryptography architecture.
- Usage of GCC 3.4 symbol visibility functionality for much improved application startup time.
- Optimizations of various styles and other components.
- Cleanup and reworking of KJSEmbed to make it much more functional.
- Password dialog gives feedback on the relative strength of new passwords.
Desktop / General
- KDM theme support.
- Numerous window manager enhancements, including indicators for remote applications.
- Major Kicker panel reworking, with support for hiding tray icons.
- Empty password support (password-less wallets) in KWallet.
KWallett
- Support for setting the clock with NTP.
- Completely redesigned, more flexible trash system.
Other Cool Things We Might See
All of these feature
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." ~Plato (427-347 BC)
...they fix alot of old bugs with KDE, including no auto-refresh!
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I know I'll probably be modded down as flamebait for promoting alternative window managers in a KDE message thread, but I think it might be a good time for the every day user to take a look at how bearded terminal hackers are making things more efficient. Many "LINUX power users" are making their every day work more efficient by using and developing great window managers such as EvilWM, which I am currently typing this post up in.
Maybe a grassroots movement towards simpler window managers is in order. This would be a movement similar to what Bruce Perens trailblazed for GNU/Linux back in the early nineties to fight the onslaught of OS2 and Win 3.1. Now that we have a stable system to build upon after all of these years, we should concentrate on a good user interface. Not necessarily a Desktop User Interface, but a thin, lightweight interface that allows the user to more efficiently do their work without any messy cognitive analogies.
which is what this article lacks. Don't get me wrong--there is some cool information there, but I want to see screenies of the entire desktop--has that changed much or not?
I would also like more information about the core KDE, not just the peripheral stuff like Konq & KHTML.
All that said, the idea of a new version of KDE is fairly kool, but frankly, as an XFCE user (and occasionally Gnome), I find the KDE desktop & icons to be just a shade on the kludgy side. They don't look as clean or professional in my mind.
But that's just one geek's opinion.
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Does anyone know if this will include Konquerer with the ability to use the Gecko rendering engine?
Here's a mirror.
CB
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Well, the site is down already and if he hadn't posted that then I wouldn't have been able to read the article. So I don't really think it's karma whoring.
Anyone know if the new KMail will supported incoming message filtering on IMAP folders? The ONLY reason I'm stuck using evolution at work is because evolution can sort mails coming into my IMAP Inbox into various other IMAP folders.
http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/08/30/2 028209
Hope you find it to educational
Chris Williams clw7500nc@gmail.com
A more complete feature plan can be found here
Though it's not always up-to-date (some devs prefer pushing their code first, and *then* update the page).
HTH,
Kig.
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This is my problem too. everytime I look at KDE I get the feeling of a window manager that shivers (or refreshes) and it feels 'unstable'. Menus flickering, Icons redrawing etc. I see all these.
The problem comes when I try to find somebody that notices this too: google helps not, discussion lists either etc. Even people (like: real people) deny that they notice this refreshing/flickering.
This is one of the main reasons I avoid using KDE.. and this is one of the first times I read from somebody that he dislikes the same thing.
It's worse than a bug: it's undescribable and unreproduceable...
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More likely it is based on the number of users; you see, Mozilla works on Windows (you know, where the users are). With the increasing number of Mozillia users they have more people testing their stuff, Konquerer doesn't have that Windows user base.
I'm sick of following my dreams - I'm just going to ask them where they're going and hook up with them later.
Wait a minute!
Since when does Gmail support Konqueror?
gtkaml.org
Mirror
Put identity in the browser.
... but it's the applications that use it that will matter. Over on Mac OS X, Rendezvous is what lets you stream your iTunes music or share your iPhoto pictures. Will KDE's media player let you stream music to other KDE media players on the network? Or better yet, to and from other iTunes players?
Unfortunately, the article doesn't say so.
It is good to see Apple improvements making their way into KDE and Linux. I recently purchased a PowerMac and made the switch from Linux/Intel to Apple/PPC. Mac OS X is absolutely everything I have ever wanted in a beautifully polished and useful user interface with everything I have ever wanted in a UNIX underneath. What a beautiful OS.
Anyone know when the kitchensync will work generically with PocketPC devices?
So tired of keeping outlook around just for the ability to sync/backup...
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Why do you care that someone is so obsessed with karma that he/she does a copy/paste of the article text?
I don't say that one has to like KDE, but "I don't like the icons" is not a very godd reason...
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"Oppression and harassment is a small price to pay to live in the land of the free." -- Montgomery Burns.
The whole karma system is supposed to favor people who post pertinent stuff, and respect good etiquette. And this is important, because people with high karma are more likely to get moderation point.
Not that anybody actually reads the FAQ, but wouldn't information on using Coral be something good to put in the FAQ, under the section on submitting stories?
Then, if (and this is a BIG if) the editors were to view the page (using the Coral link) before posting the story to the front page, the Coral cache would have had a chance to get to the page before the /. effect took place.
And, while I'm offtopic to the main discussion; how about a Slashdot.org story, maybe once a month, where discussions about Slashdot could take place. This would let people discuss how Slashdot works in a particular forum, instead of having to venture offtopic.
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There would appear to be no mention of improving the menu editor. This should be a priority.
But is pointing out that he wasn't karma whoring and getting modded to 4, Informative not karma whoring itself?
Of course, if this post gets modded up, I guess that would be karma whoring too. Oh the irony...
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Can't you uninstall libkdecore, and then try to update KDE, so that it installs a (hopefully good) libkdecore as a dependency?
/usr/bin/ ...
I agree, this part of GNU/Linux still need work, the structure of Program Files\ApplicationName in Windows or Applications/SingleFileWhichIsTheApp is a lot easier to manage instead of putting everything into
What time is it/will be over there? Check with my iPhone app!
Is it me or is this browser godawful slow? I alway head to firefox since it takes 5 times longer to load a page in Konquerer. Does anyone use it with better results?
Yes its a P4 with plenty of RAM. And Firefox runs quickly. Otherwise KDE seems fine -albeit a bit tougher for the average user to configure than OSX or MS.
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- Err... That's what they call a 'mouse' in the outside world, Sir. I thought it would be an interesting device for you to see, Sir.
- A mouse ? What is it made for ? Hunt cheese bits between the coke cans ?
- No, Sir. Actually, they use it to interact with the GUI and...
- What ?! GUI ?! You bloody traitor ! GUARDS ! Take Mr. Snibs and his... rodent to the PDP-11 mental reconditioning room !"
I just upgraded to SuSe 9.2 for Groupwise functionality (there is even a Groupware setup app with a button for Groupwise). Well, it doesn't seem to work. Very disappointing.
The version of Evolution 2.0 that is shipping does not include SOAP support (this is revealed on the Novell support site) even though we have been hearing for months that Evolution 2.0 will have full Groupwise sync. Turns out only if you get the nightly snapshots, which often can have other wacky issues.
Kmail will IMAP to a Groupwise folder fine, but the rest of Kontact just pops up errors trying to connect to a SOAP server.
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I use Debian, not Suse, but I think that you're talking about the kontact-plugins and the setup app for it. It works fairly well against eGroupware for me, but I've never tried Groupwise. I suspect all this fuctionality will be better than in 3.3, but the new stuff will probably not be complete and be buggy, because that's just the way it always is.
Put identity in the browser.
MSIE is a beast that is *tied* to the kernel, uses kernel internals, and thus, is bad. I have yet to see *any* *nix desktop/window manager that does such a thing.
MSIE is no more tied to the kernel than any other application. Tied to Explorer? Absolutely, but no, not the kernel.
Neither is Microsoft Office. Everybody claims that the reason MS Word starts so quickly is that much of it is already loaded when Windows starts. Nice theory...doesn't explain why MS Word running under Wine starts blazingly fast on my Linux box.
What's interesting about this post? Nothing, it shows great ignorance.
Someone installs Slackware instead of a distribution that properly modularizes its package and dependency handling and then comes here and complains.
In Mandrake and Suse, packages are broken into smaller part. You also have meta-packages if you wish to install the whole bundle. So you can install, kde-network or you can install kget and kopete by themselves.
Get a grip and keep it!
Pragmatism as an ideology is not particularly pragmatic in the long term. Keep it in mind when you dismiss Free Software
Konqueror running on KDE is by far the fastest browser on Linux
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(yes, I understood what you meant to say)
I used to get moderation points. I haven't got any in about 6 months though. I don't understand this as I always meta moderate and I have excellent karma. I think the system is broke so it doesn't matter what anyone does anyway.
"- Usage of GCC 3.4 symbol visibility functionality for much improved application startup time."
That's the only thing that's irks me with KDE: Apps just don't seem to start as fast as in Windows. I hope this brings things up to speed.
The roots of education are bitter, but the fruit is sweet.
--Aristotle
KDE had better be implementing OpenTalk instead of Rendezvous(tm).
Online polls are the joke of the
century; it doesn't even require a motivated script kiddie to render then worthless.
A single post alerting the faithful on a zealot-ridden site can skew the result so
much it makes American presidential elections look fair and well organised.
This is so obvious, I have in fact never thought about it this way. "He guys, on www.xyz.org, I've put up a poll. Do (a) love xyz, (b) hate xyz. Please stop by and vote!". Guess what happens to the results..
While I am a KDE user (loving it since version 1.0) I do think a couple of the objections raised have merit, and others can be easily countered:
What about application installation and removal? GNOME has the excellent RedCarpet by
./configure;make;make install, it is true that KDE is behind in this respect. On the other hand, when using gentoo it is often a matter of a simple emerge -u xyz.
Ximian [ximian.com] [ximian.com], which makes the installation, removal and updating
of applications trivial.
KDE offers none of this, only a few small half-assed Linux-only tools,
which make no attempt at check-pointing to return to known working configurations.
I think this is true. Although most of us are not hindered by untarring, typing
[Konqueror]
It is quite unreliable and even simple standards compliant
pages can crash it quite comprehensively
Maybe, but it hasn't crashed on me for a very long time. As both a windows and kde user, I must say explorer crashes more often than konqueror.
Perhaps the most cretinous of all problems is blaming the extremely slow startup
times of KDE apps on GCC. One need only look at the recent fuss
over ugly KDE hacks (such as prelinking) used to bandage up the design and coding
flaws in the decrepit KDE architecture to see the truth.
Choosing C++ as the main language for KDE is indeed a decision with lots of impact. At the time of the birth of kde, which must be 7 or 8 years ago(?) only two viable choices were available: C or C++. The choice for C++ has probably speed up the time to implement things, but turned out to be slow at execution. The whole linking mess was discovered long after KDE started out - the KDE architects cannot be blamed for it. As an aside, I think if KDE were redone in java (now also a viable alternative), it would reach the same functionality as todays KDE in very shorter timeframe, while being faster and having fewer bugs.
Still, I think the parent deserves a (+1) underrated.
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There is one factor you are missing that /. takes into account: how often you visit slashdot. As I understand it, the closer you are to the "average" logged-in slashdot user, the better your chances of getting mod points (if you don't visit enough, or visit too much you have less of a chance for mod points). I can't remember where I read that, but from my own experience, it sounds about right.
/. as my homepage, and visited ALOT more often when I was going through a stretch of unemployment, and (even though my Karma went to "Excellent" due to modding of my posts) I no longer got mod points (for months on end) because I was visiting too much. I got a new job, and changed my homepage, went back to visiting quite a bit, but not nearly as often as when I was unemployed, and *boom*, the FIRST DAY after /. was no longer my browsers home page...mod points. And again a week later. Interesting.
Case in point: I had "positive" karma and visited slashdot four or five times a day (give or take a few visits). I got mod points twice a month for several months in a row. I set
I agree. I too love it, but ... If not this version, perhaps the next, the KDE team really needs to focus on running the whole thing through a profiler and speed up the bottlenecks.
.mpg and other multimedia file viewing directly from Konqueror would also be a plus. The thing hangs on more and more webpage content these days. I hope this is remedied in the new version.
More internal support for
Does the new version support viewing graphic files as thumbnails in the new version?
Presently, one must run a photo or image viewer program to get a view of image files. When you have directories full of images, it is really helpful to be able to see a thumbnail view rather than having to open each file individually. Having the option to select "thumbnail" view directly in the KDE (ie in View - Details the ability to check "thumbnail" support/options that would permit all the images in an entire directory to be viewed as thumbnails. Of course, this would need to include support for the variety of image files available, as in Gimp.
I believe KDE 3.3 does that already. And it has done it for quite a while I think...
You just need to hunt for the option. It's in the control panel somewhere. Of course, that's like saying there's a very valuable rock in Wyoming, go find it.
Maybe there should be another modifier, say something like "Verbatim" that can be attached to a post. This way useful copy/pasted text will get modded up so everyone can see it, but the poster won't get karma points.
Anyone admins reading?
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Great, I guess I just didn't give it enough time
to search through large directories to see the results appear.
Is there any way to control the size of the previews? They are so small on my system that I can hardly see them.
View -> Icon Size
put more emphasis on usability if you don't want linux to fall in a few years
Define user friendly.
Hey, Windows users, there is no such thing as "forward" slash, there is only slash and backslash.
Perhaps the most cretinous of all problems is blaming the extremely slow startup
times of KDE apps on GCC. One need only look at the recent fuss
over ugly KDE hacks (such as prelinking) used to bandage up the design and coding
flaws in the decrepit KDE architecture to see the truth
When was the last time you used kde? You may be surprised at the speed improvements kde has made recently. I used KDE up to version 3.0 where I finally found it to be so bloated and slow that I actually returned to windoze. Of course.. it wasn't just KDE that was bloated and slow, it was also Red Hat 8.0. Windows actually ran much faster. I wasn't as far ahead of the power user curve as I am now and I wanted an easy to use environment.
I returned to my linux journey this January where I installed Slackware with XFCE. XFCE is great. I love the CDE style since I spent a vast majority of my time during my college years coding in Solaris. The problem was that I found myself using more and more KDE programs. Gnome/Gtk programs may have been more flashy, but definitely tend to be behind the curve in both features and usability. In addition, I really hated the lack of key bindings and the rigidity of the interface.
When KDE 3.2 came out I heard that it was significantly faster and less resource demanding. I made the switch just a couple of months ago and I was VERY impressed. I use gentoo now and optimized the build and I now get a very fast start up for both KDE and all KDE apps. I do hate the standard windoze style interface, but have since customized it to a CDE style. This was not so straightforward, but few DE/WMs could manage so much at all. Plus I get hot-keys and tab functions galore and don't have to use the mouse much at all..
Don't mistake static builds with pre-linking, they are similar but different. I've never liked the shared library concept. This was not even worth the saved space way back when windoze started doing it. It's what led to DLL hell.. and now leads to package/library hell. I saw BRAVO for more static linking. As far as pre-link.. I use cron to prelink my system once a week. The few GTK programs I use seem to benefit from it as well. Does that mean they're decreipt?
although the screenshots show that the UI is getting better, the UI of KDE and GNOME is still severely not user-friendly.
I agree that there are a lot of areas for improvement, but I don't think that they are behind Windows or Mac OS X. Both of those environments have significant shortcomings as well.
put more emphasis on usability if you don't want linux to fall in a few years.
Both the projects have usability teams, but even without them I don't understand why you think that way. Poor usability didn't stop Windows or Mac OS X from becoming accepted. Care to back up your claims?
i'm sure a bunch of 13 year olds who just installed red hat 7 on their parents old PII-350 are going to rebut saying i don't know what i'm talking about... but from a CS student's perspective
Did you ever think that, as a mere student, you aren't in a position to belittle the credibility of other peoples opinions? Or that, if a 13 year old can use it just fine, perhaps it's not all that unusable?
KDE and GNOME are ugly, hard to use, and don't come close to the user-friendliness of windows or mac os x.
You obviously never had to reconfigure your Windows in any way. I have been power-using Windows since 3.11 and after switching to Linux about one year ago I was immediately surprised at how intuitive everything configuration-related was compared to Windows.
Properly configuring your system is pretty hard with Windows - most of the interesting settings are hidden in obscure places where no one in their right mind would ever look for them; some settings even require you to fiddle with undocumented hex strings somewhere in the registry or use third-party software to do the dirty work for you.
With KDE you can access pretty much everything you should ever want to configure using a very clean and intuitive control panel (compared to Windows'). The Gnome panel seems to be rather usable too, although I haven't seen it too often.
Sure, the UI needs improvement, especially in comparison to OS X. But I think that in terms of usability, KDE and Gnome have both already surpassed Windows.
It's big things like the more intuitive design and small things like X's select-and-middle-click-paste or KDEs multiple kicker bars that - in my personal opinion, of course - make Linux/KDE a lot more usable than Windows.
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Just an FYI, by default Konqueror doesn't show previews of files larger than 1 meg (not sure of the reason why, memory or speed limitations maybe)
You can change this behavior too, under Settings-> Configure Konqueror-> Previews and Meta Data, change the "Maximum filesize" to your liking.
-ZOD-
excuse me... but static linking applications would tripple it's size, if not more. just imagine konqy and the 44 libs it uses (on my system that is) compiled static together.. it would become VERY large. then add kicker, kdestop, kopete, amarok, kontact and all the programs it uses... it would cost you gigs of discspace for a decent kde install.
slashdot rendering incorrectly:
hit ctrl and +, then ctrl and -. it will change your font size up and down, forcing firefox to re-render. no refreshing, and it will be rendered correctly.
SLASHDOT EDITORS: find out what this problem is and either submit a bug to mozilla or fix your broken code.
As far as I know Apple has never contributed a single line of code to Linux; I would say that it's good to see Apple improvements making their way into FreeBSD and KDE. :)
I, too, hope they've worked out that bug as well as a number of other bugs. In fact, I would love to know where to ask questions about KDE bugs and non-bugs, especially the latter. When I run into a KDE problem, it seems like a bug to me, but it might just simply be poor configuration. But I don't know where to turn. It's not in the KDE FAQ, and when I write to the authors of the various pieces of software, they ask me to check the KDE bugs email list archives --if they reply at all. This is quite understandable, since I'm sure they're busy enough tooling away at the KDE components in their spare time, but --what if it's not a bug? Isn't there some (non-bug) forum or mailing list where KDE-knowledgeable people come together? I've tried linuxquestions.org, but responses are few and scattered.
... How do I set it so that KsCD doesn't pop up and try to play my music CD every time I insert one? Why does it now take 5 seconds for any KDE program to launch, instead of instantly like before? Why does my system freeze for 10 seconds every time I try to print, before the KDEprintjob whatchamacallit window finds my printer? When I use cut&paste, why does Klipper paste the previous thing I cut rather than the most recent thing? Why do my settings, for choosing which program opens which type of file, keep getting overwritten?
For example
All these things are driving me nuts and are making this GUI almost unusable (to the point where I am serious considering venturing into GNOME territory). I'm sure that someone out there has the answers, and that I can't be the only one who has these questions, but where do I turn? Help, Slashdot!
(I will certainly appreciate answers to my questions above, but my main question is: where can I find KDE-knowledgeable people? I can't post to Slashdot every time some trivial question about KDE configuration comes up.)
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I agree that both KHTML and Gecko should continue to be developed. However, your entire post overlooked the fact that it might be nice to have both around.
When Gmail first came out, it flat out wouldn't work with KHTML. In such a situation, it would be nice to be able to switch Konqueror to use a Gecko part temporarily. The only other solution is to have Mozilla or Firefox installed separately, and no matter how much you theme them, they still won't fit into a KDE desktop as well as Konqueror will. Bonus points if I can have only the Gecko part installed without needing to install the the associated full-fledged applications (which would also benefit Gnome people who want to use Epiphany without having Mozilla around; this decoupling was supposed to happen, but I guess that project stalled).
So what's the problem with having both a Gecko and a KHTML part around and using one or the other as the situation demands. That way I can actually get things done while I'm waiting for a bug in one or the other to be fixed.
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SLASHDOT READER: It's already in Bugzilla, it's already fixed in the main Mozilla trunk, and Firefox will roll the fix in when it next syncs up with that trunk, at the Firefox 1.1 milestone. Had you taken five seconds to look into this, you would have found all this information and more.
In the meantime there's an extension available which will reflow the page automatically for you; go to Google, type in "slashfix", and follow the first result.
I don't know, how about...
THE ABILITY TO FRICKIN EDIT THE FRICKIN START MENU!!!
You know, like Windows 95 had all those years ago. I still have OpenOffice.org 1.0.0, OpenOffice.org 1.1.0 and OpenOffice.org 1.1.1 in my Start ("K") menu, and no obvious way of deleting them. Sure I can "Hide" them but that's like using paint to obscure a 3cm diameter rust hole.
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Most Windows users wouldn't know what a bug report was or how to do it if it hit them on the head - they simply don't give a shit. Your more advanced firefox/mozilla users on the window platform might report a bug, might not. Depends on their mood. Since the average Linux and BSD users are generally far more technically advanced than the average windows users, the chances are greater that Linux/BSD users of konqueror will report bugs back to kde. I think that evens out the user base advantage of firefox. Dave
Slashdot can go and get fucked.
Unfortunatly.
I guess you were thinking of the old KMozilla plugin, but it went unmaintained as very few who used Konqueror had any reason to use it. Some of us are expecting history to repeat itself.
You cannot statically link KDE anymore. The whole architecture depends on loadable plugins.
Through a few hacks you probably statically link just libqt, libkdecore, libkdeui and libkio, except for Konqueror, I don't think the blow-up will be that bad. Remember that static links are optimized to only included the parts actually used.
put more emphasis on usability if you don't want linux to fall in a few years.
What's wrong with it?
This could just be the Mac influence in you talking. I personally find kde/windows 2k and lower a breeze to use, but when I used an ibook for a month I thought it was the worst UI ever (I dislike winXP as well). It's not so much that one is worse than the other, it's that they're two different approaches. windows vs. mac. KDE, though they don't like to admit it, owe most of their UI to windows. I'm not saying that Macs aren't good; the next laptop I get will probably be some type of powerbook, but it'll probably dual-boot with gentoo.
my wife, who is not a computer person, was able to pick up kde with very little problem coming from a windows-only background. She's now capable of changing her kdm login manager and her desktop settings. she's moved the menubar to the top of the screen. she's able to update the menu when I install something new for her if it doesn't automatically (kde->settings->menu updating tool)
so I guess my question is, what is it you're having problems with? every kde thread that comes up there seems to be someone saying this exact same thing, but I never seem to hear what is actually wrong with the UI other than it's not a mac. Have you submitted a bug report about it? that's the easiest way to get the info to a kde dev. just set it to the lowest priority/wishlist or whatever, and a dev will probably check it out.
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I don't claim I know more than I know, and if you know you know more than I know, then by all means, let me know.
Help, this man is annoying me! Moderators! Anybody! Help!
Wah wah.
Karma: The total effect of someone's actions and conduct during their existance, positive actions being rewarded with gifts and negative actions resulting in punishment. Karma can be interpreted as the immediate reactions of the world to a person's actions or the result of actions taking in a previous life.
Nowhere within the defitition of karma does it say an ugly man may not have karma. By the very meaning of the word anyone and everything have a karma as long as it can pick what it does, anything with a will of it's own has karma.
You would be able to tell if I forked out "$" for it; I would have an asterisk (that little star sign on your keyboard, over the 8: Read "*").
I do not see why you anonymous people get so displeased with someone when instead of being a cockwad the try to be at least constructive in what they contribute.
I'm sick of following my dreams - I'm just going to ask them where they're going and hook up with them later.
What makes you think a smart user on a Linux system is more likely to report a problem then a smart user on a Windows system?
No, you're definately out there with your position. The Mozilla base has a much larger number of users, you cannot really argue the fact. There is a smaller number of people using Konquerer, I have nothing against the browser really, but that is the simple truth. Where there are more users, there are more people reporting their issues.
I'm sick of following my dreams - I'm just going to ask them where they're going and hook up with them later.