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UK Officially The Most Hacked Country

_Hellfire_ writes "Symantec's Internet Security Threat Report for the second half of 2004 says that the UK is leading the rest of the world with bot networks. The report states that "...25.2% [of bots] are located in the UK. That now puts the country ahead of the US (24.6%), China (7.8%), Canada (4.9%) and Spain (3.8%)". Symantec blames a sudden uptake of residential broadband connections without the awareness of the required security measures."

417 comments

  1. Wow, a .6% lead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder how accurate these statistics are.

    1. Re:Wow, a .6% lead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Accurate enough for Symantec to sell many many software security products to all the users of feeble PCs.
      I certainly wouldn't trust such a stat without a lot more info from Symantec on how it was obtained.

    2. Re:Wow, a .6% lead by dominator · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What I find it interesting is that a country with 1/4 the US's population and with a roughly equivalent standard of living represents a roughly equivalent percentage of the world's hacked PCs, even if the difference between the UK and US is within this poll's margin of error.

      Is the US public that far behind in broadband connections? Is the UK public engaging in more risky computing practices? Are US ISPs blocking more 0wn3d boxes? Are the UK ISPs incompetent, overwhelmed, or more laisse-faire?

    3. Re:Wow, a .6% lead by MyLongNickName · · Score: 2, Funny

      Regardless, I blame George Bush for our falling out of the coveted #1 position. When will the decline of our country end?

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    4. Re:Wow, a .6% lead by Rimbo · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Is the US public that far behind in broadband connections?"

      Yup.

      Most people:
      a) don't see the need
      b) can't afford it

    5. Re:Wow, a .6% lead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The infrastructure of the US is seriously lacking. The UK is much further ahead in terms of available speeds and cheaper service.

    6. Re:Wow, a .6% lead by athakur999 · · Score: 1

      This is the country that popularized such activities as "dogging" and "toothing". I'd say the UK public is definately engaged in risky computing practices :)

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    7. Re:Wow, a .6% lead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, I'm unfortunate enough to know what "dogging" is but what is "toothing"?

    8. Re:Wow, a .6% lead by UziBeatle · · Score: 0

      A hopelessly lost AC enquired about toothing.

      http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/19/blue_tooth /

      Bow down to the all seeing, all knowing demi-god GOOGLE.

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    9. Re:Wow, a .6% lead by caveman · · Score: 1
      > Are the UK ISPs incompetent, overwhelmed, or more laisse-faire?

      Yes and No. Some ISP's are incompetent, or atleast more concerned with profits than consumer safety.

      However, the larger part of the problem is the way that the population of the UK are being conditioned to not take responsibility for their actions. We have already arrived in the 'Caution! Hot Coffee' culture.

      What does Joe Average care that his PC is peddling 419 scams, dubious pharmacy products, and phishing attempts, provided that he can still read his MSN Hotmail? He knows how to click on icons, and read mail. He may hear about virus outbreaks in the news media, but assumes it's a technical problem that he cannot (or will not attempt to) understand.

      Microsoft aren't helping either. XP-SP2 was a start, but a typical microsoft botched offering given the ease in which worms, spyware, and other malware can get onto a system. Microsoft have handed a bunch of inexperienced newbies the internet equivalent of a chainsaw, with no instructions on it safe use. The fact that my DSL router with it's 10 minute inactivity timeout has not gone off line for over eight months is testimony to that.

      For these users with their high bandwidth and low clue, there is a solution, which is the appliance PC; a box that is managed remotely, that Joe Average can use safely. For those with the ability to make art with chainsaws, there's a proper internet connection, but where is the commercial value in that for the ISPs when less than 5% of their customer base have a clue?

      Personally, I think some form of computer driving license is in order, or atleast a change in the law to make owners of compromised systems liable for the damage those systems do. Perhaps that will force a change?

      I'm dreaming, aren't I?

    10. Re:Wow, a .6% lead by legirons · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Wow, a .6% lead.. I wonder how accurate these statistics are."

      More accurate than your elections. A clear victory indeed!

    11. Re:Wow, a .6% lead by SCVirus · · Score: 1

      Someone probably spammed about 25% of the UK with: Get FREE WOMENS CLOTHES! CLICK HERE.

    12. Re:Wow, a .6% lead by horza · · Score: 1

      What I find it interesting is that a country with 1/4 the US's population and with a roughly equivalent standard of living represents a roughly equivalent percentage of the world's hacked PCs, even if the difference between the UK and US is within this poll's margin of error.

      I find it incredible that a country that contains 4% of the world's population produce 25% of the world's pollution. Different kind of ignorance I guess.

      Phillip.

  2. UK rules OK by dances+with+elks · · Score: 5, Funny

    Number one, Number one, Number one, Number one, Number one, Number one, Number one, !! we had to win at something sooner or later

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    1. Re:UK rules OK by Ayaress · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You know, this is sort of like when the US comes out #1 in road accidents or gun crime or something bad like that. We tend not to celebrate. Look on the bright side: Your beer is better than ours. If it weren't so hard to find in my area, I'd drink nothing but Bass.

    2. Re:UK rules OK by flumps · · Score: 1

      ... unfortunatly coming first in a race for loosers is not winning :(

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    3. Re:UK rules OK by Norgus · · Score: 2, Funny

      Proud I am, to be a member of a country with an abnormally high number of complete dipshits who use computers.

    4. Re:UK rules OK by AddressException · · Score: 1

      Proud I am, to be a member of a country with an abnormally high number of complete dipshits who use computers.

      Make that "dipshits who use Windows computers" and you've got yourself a deal.

    5. Re:UK rules OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      man my spelling sucks sorry.

    6. Re:UK rules OK by giginger · · Score: 1

      Best way to look at it. I'm not surprised we're at the top, if only by a error adjustable margin.

    7. Re:UK rules OK by tomstdenis · · Score: 1, Troll

      American beer sucks period. Pretty much every other country [prolly including Iraq] has better beer.

      If you guys stopped watering it down it'd taste prolly a lot better.

      Tom

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    8. Re:UK rules OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, it's perfectly possible to be a Linux using dipshit. Users who have unsecured Redhat machines running services like Sendmail or BIND. Dipshits who try to run servers from their home machines but get the configuration totally wrong E.g. open relays. Gentoo users.

      There are dipshits everywhere.

    9. Re:UK rules OK by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 1

      Are you kidding?! What area?

      I can find Bass at any local grocery store or liquor store. I think Wal-mart sells it. I know that Meijer does. It's everywhere. For a while, it was the only beer I'd buy.

      And I'm in Indiana.

    10. Re:UK rules OK by Deusy · · Score: 5, Funny

      We're pretty awesome at binge drinking too, y'know!

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    11. Re:UK rules OK by Bertie · · Score: 1

      Wow. You must really hate American beer. In the scheme of things, Bass is total ditchwater compared with some of the stuff that's out there. Although I imagine you wouldn't stand a hope in hell of getting a hold of any of it Over There.

    12. Re:UK rules OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If it weren't so hard to find in my area, I'd drink nothing but Bass."

      You were winning until this point. Bass must be the poorest English Beer I can think of -- well, Theakstons is pretty terrible too. When it's good it's passable but it's so hard to keep correctly, I don't trust any landlord or landlady who I haven't slept with to be able to pour a decent pint of it.

      There are so many good English breweries (one or two good Scottish ones and no Welsh) that Bass suceeds only because of its name recognition. It does after all sport the oldest trademark in the world.

    13. Re:UK rules OK by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 4, Funny

      The trouble with the UK is that you can't do the 'Yoo Ess Ay!'-while-clutching-a-miniature-flag chant because there aren't enough syllables. You could add in a cha-cha-cha to make it 'Yoo Kay, cha-cha-cha', although that's perhaps a little too flamboyant.

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    14. Re:UK rules OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And teenage pregnancies... wonder if they're related?

    15. Re:UK rules OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look on the bright side: Your beer is better than ours.

      That's a pretty dim bright side, tap water is better than your beer :)

    16. Re:UK rules OK by thhamm · · Score: 1

      Bass is total ditchwater compared with some of the stuff that's out there

      it`s like sex on the beach. both is fscking close to water. :)

    17. Re:UK rules OK by dahamsta · · Score: 0

      "American beer sucks period."

      Ewww.

    18. Re:UK rules OK by operagost · · Score: 1

      If you drank something other than Budweiser or Coors, it might taste better. Really, this is just as dumb as saying that all food in the UK sucks.

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    19. Re:UK rules OK by Yaruar · · Score: 1

      seconded, bass is mass produces pish. Although i'd disagree on the Theakstons, although their standard pint isn't great, Old Peculiar is a nice pint.

      I remember the choice of english beer in the us being really poor when i was last there, but i guess all the good stuff here is pretty localised, although it wouls be nice to see someone like Wadworths making themselves available in the US.

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    20. Re:UK rules OK by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 1

      Hehe, this is what I was going to post:

      "...and, through some level of correlation, all those teenage pregnancies!"

      Pesky two minute wait between postings, you beat me to the punch. ;)

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    21. Re:UK rules OK by mmkkbb · · Score: 1

      Where is here and there? I can think of numerous British and AMerican beers that are better than Bass, and I'd imagine that not many of the American ones are exported, either.

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    22. Re:UK rules OK by caluml · · Score: 1

      Cmon, what a troll. Redhat 5.2 maybe. And why would Gentoo users be more likely to have open relays?

    23. Re:UK rules OK by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "No, it's perfectly possible to be a Linux using dipshit. Users who have unsecured Redhat machines running services like Sendmail or BIND."

      I'm one of those dipshits. Part of the reason I was a dipshit was because of all the "Linux is secure!!!!!!!!" hype on Slashdot. I can't blame anybody but myself for it, but I do wish the attitudes here were a little more sensible.

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    24. Re:UK rules OK by operagost · · Score: 1

      Yoda is a Brit?????

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    25. Re:UK rules OK by Stone+Pony · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's at times like that that your boozed-up Englishman (Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish have different rules) resorts to chanting the name of the Swedish whore: Inga Lund, Inga Lund, Inga Lund!

    26. Re:UK rules OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      PROBABLY you fucking mook.

    27. Re:UK rules OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, we've got you beat there - we've got hundreds of four year training institutions that teach binge drinking (aka colleges/universities).

    28. Re:UK rules OK by Xoro · · Score: 1

      If you guys stopped watering it down it'd taste prolly a lot better.

      I'm sick of these lame complaints about weak American beer. You've just got to stop drinking that rice-water Mormon junk.

      Next time you're in the US, head over to the wrong side of the tracks and pick up a 40 of Steel Reserve 211. Then talk to me about watered down. You can pour this stuff into a river and walk across it. And 8.1% alcohol makes it taste good, too. After a few pulls, anyway.

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    29. Re:UK rules OK by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      Newcastle for me (even before they started a big ad campaign)

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    30. Re:UK rules OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, keeps me in fackin' job innit!

    31. Re:UK rules OK by Cerv · · Score: 1

      British students aren't exactly reknowned for their sobriety.

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    32. Re:UK rules OK by drsquare · · Score: 1

      No, you're still behind. By the time Brits get to university-age, they already have a ten-year binge-drinking career. Although our universities are rather sober in comparison, most seem to have grown out of drinking by then.

    33. Re:UK rules OK by Daengbo · · Score: 1

      When did you start using anything but Win, Nano? Your posts always seem to be about it...

    34. Re:UK rules OK by crawling_chaos · · Score: 1
      Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is far superior to Bass, and it's pretty much a mass market beer in the States at this point. I'm sure your local microbreweries do a far, far, better job that even that if you poke around a bit. Even Michael Jackson (the beer critic, not the freak of nature) has stated that the craft brewing industry in the US is producing better beers than the ones in Europe.

      Remember that it doesn't need a multimillion dollar ad campaign to be good. If it does, then you are probably not worthy!

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    35. Re:UK rules OK by gmack · · Score: 2, Informative

      Or you can buy a bottle of Leffe tripple gold at 8.4% and it tastes good on the FIRST drink. Gotta hand it to the Belgians on that one.

    36. Re:UK rules OK by IceFreak2000 · · Score: 1

      Damn right, you cannot beat a bottle (or twenty) of dog... ;)

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    37. Re:UK rules OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steel Reserve rules! I love teh ghetto beer!

    38. Re:UK rules OK by goatan · · Score: 1
      Trouble is they don't export the good stuff over hear :( the company's keep trying to sell the weak stuff coors bud Etc, we do get good imports from America but they usually highly varied as to what is available and when it is available.

      Bass is nasty low grade stuff, The best beers are brewed by wychwood (hobgoblin is probably the best bar none), Black sheep, Youngs, Morlands and finally Adnams, one thing you can't miss out on is a couple of pints of Adnams Broadside. First time I tried Broadside was outside a pub that was opposite the brewery where it was made you can't get fresher and was amusing to watch it be deliverd by horse drawn dray. Avoid courage (except for directors), Boddingtons and bass like the plaque good these fail on all accounts.

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    39. Re:UK rules OK by lowrydr310 · · Score: 1
      Not necessarily. The mass marketed beer does suck - avoid anything made by Budweiser, Coors, Miller, etc. I don't understand why people drink that junk. I guess it's the same reason people at Pizza Hut and Dominos Pizza - MARKETING!

      There are many microbreweries in the USA that produce some excellent brews. Stone Brewing Company http://www.stonebrew.com/ in San Marcos, CA has a wonderful beer called Arrogant Bastard Ale http://www.arrogantbastard.com/. They frown upon 'tasteless fizzy yellow beer'.

      I don't think brews like Sierra Nevada and Sam Adams can be considered microbrews because they have large nationwide distribution channels, but they're still decent beers.

      My favorite beers happen to be from the UK: Newcastle and just about anything by Samuel Smith (Oatmeal Stout, Pale Ale, Nut Brown Ale). I'm assuming there are many microbrews in the UK that produce even better beers than those, but I don't know of any in the USA.

    40. Re:UK rules OK by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "When did you start using anything but Win, Nano?"

      I've actually tried switching to Linux twice. I also built a Linux webserver using RedHat + Apache. Popped it up on the web, two weeks later it was rooted. As I said before, this was due to my own stupidity.

      For the record, I'm not anti-Linux. :)

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    41. Re:UK rules OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finland wins hands down. Sorry.

    42. Re:UK rules OK by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      I've been drinking Broadside recently too, even good enough to displace my Bombardier for a time.

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    43. Re:UK rules OK by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "Not necessarily. The mass marketed beer does suck - avoid anything made by Budweiser, Coors, Miller, etc. I don't understand why people drink that junk."

      Hey, if you want good beer....make it yourself!! Easy to do, not much as far at $$'s spent for equipment to start with....

      Search for a homebrew store near you..go visit, talk to them...and get a book to read...I think I started with the Home Brewer's Companion or something like that.

      You can brew different styles..lots of recipes on the net for cloning your favorite store bought brew.....etc. And you can make the alcohol content high as you like...

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    44. Re:UK rules OK by M.+Baranczak · · Score: 1

      The trouble with buying European beer in the US is that you've no idea how long it's been around. It gets shipped by sea, then sits in some unventilated warehouse on the Jersey shore, then finally gets trucked over to my local retailer... All that traveling does not help the flavor. That's why most of the time I drink locally made stuff: Gennessee when I'm broke, Ithaca Flower Power or Saranac Pale Ale when I get paid, and either Wagner Sled Dog Stout or Ommegang when I'm celebrating.

    45. Re:UK rules OK by Daengbo · · Score: 1

      I wasn't saying that you were anti-Linux, but I've been watching you for, what, five years now (we both got our present accounts at the same time) and you have always seemed to be hard on the "I prefer Win" side, IIRC. Just curious.

      BTW, I am no security guru, but I installed Debian over the net, run Snort, chkrootkit, and Portsentry daily, and never have any problems, despite having a server up in the non-demilitarized internet zone of S. Korea.

      Not to say that it will never happen, but it's been almost a year like this with nothing getting through, though I haven't tempted the gods by saying anything like this on /. before!

    46. Re:UK rules OK by niittyniemi · · Score: 1

      > Look on the bright side

      OK...

      * Worst food

      * Rottenest teeth

      * Ugliest women

      * Gayest prime minister

      ...and now this....it makes me proud to be British.... *sniff*

      [Note to foreigners: This is called self-deprecating British humour] ;)

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    47. Re:UK rules OK by darkpixel2k · · Score: 1

      How is that a troll?
      US beer is usually more restricted than other countries beer by the FDA.
      Anyone ever been to Canada and had Elephant beer?
      One pint of that will knock me on my ass--it has something like 15% alcohol by volume.

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    48. Re:UK rules OK by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 1
      Two points:
      1. US beer doesn't qualify as alcoholic
      2. UK binge drinking starts early. We lead the world in 15yo drunk females, and come second (to Malta IIRC) in 15yo drunk males.
    49. Re:UK rules OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Elephant Beer in Canada? No, but I've had it in Denmark, where they make it ;)

      You should go to "Musen og Elefanten" on Vestergade in Copenhagen if you're ever there, its pretty much all they sell, nice bar not far from the main square. Just don't feel tempted to try the local tipple of Gammel Dansk, it tastes like pencil shavings.

    50. Re:UK rules OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be so hard on yourself- Your prime minister isn't that gay.

    51. Re:UK rules OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but I think it is a close race with Australia and us over here in Canada :)

    52. Re:UK rules OK by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "I wasn't saying that you were anti-Linux, but I've been watching you for, what, five years now (we both got our present accounts at the same time) and you have always seemed to be hard on the "I prefer Win" side, IIRC. Just curious."

      Ah, I apologize for my false assumption.

      Though I do prefer Windows, I'd like to move to something more secure and more 'open'. Unfortunately, from an end-desktop-user point of view, Linux is rather weak. One of the reasons I'm noisy about Windows is that I want Linux to improve so I can switch without losing more than I gain.

      "BTW, I am no security guru, but I installed Debian over the net, run Snort, chkrootkit, and Portsentry daily, and never have any problems, despite having a server up in the non-demilitarized internet zone of S. Korea."

      Thanks for the info. :) G'day.

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    53. Re:UK rules OK by Goth+Biker+Babe · · Score: 1

      Oh I agree. As long as you don't buy the stuff that comes from a chemical factory you can get a good beer from US independents. I'm rather partial to the stronger beers from the Sierra Nevada Brewery Company. Even the strength isn't bad. At 5.2% it's adequate. But blimey aren't your pints small. The bottles are tiddly.

    54. Re:UK rules OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      * Ugliest women

      How dare you make such disparaging remarks about Cathy Diana, and Gwyneth

    55. Re:UK rules OK by c4miles · · Score: 1

      The trouble with the UK is that you can't do the 'Yoo Ess Ay!'-while-clutching-a-miniature-flag chant because there aren't enough syllables. You could add in a cha-cha-cha to make it 'Yoo Kay, cha-cha-cha', although that's perhaps a little too flamboyant.

      For the majority of the UK's population, the 3-syllable pronunciation 'Ing-er-lund' will suffice for such purposes.

    56. Re:UK rules OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need to head over to the wrong side of the tracks, just your local 7-11 :) That stuff is nasty though! I think since I've been here (Seattle) the only stuff I'll drink is Guiness or a porter. Top foods funny enough, has a nice selection of euro imports.

    57. Re:UK rules OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The trouble with the UK is that you can't do the 'Yoo Ess Ay!'-while-clutching-a-miniature-flag chant because there aren't enough syllables. You could add in a cha-cha-cha to make it 'Yoo Kay, cha-cha-cha', although that's perhaps a little too flamboyant."

      Union Jack underpants.

    58. Re:UK rules OK by lowrydr310 · · Score: 1
      I actually experimented with that a bit. I started with 12oz bottles, then got my hands on a bunch of 22oz bottles. Eventually I got to a point where I was filling my own kegs (5 gallon soda kegs) and having my friends test the final product. The kegs were much easier to work with but the problem with that is it was diffuclt to make the beer last long.

      After primary fermentation, I would transfer the uncarbonated beer to a 5 gallon keg, let it settle there a bit, then use CO2 to transfer it through a filter to another keg. This produced a clear beer, but there was no more yeast left for carbonation so I had to force carbonate the final product in the kegs.

      For some reason I prefer the taste of bottle conditioned beers. Bottled beers (as opposed to homebrew kets) are also a lot easier for long-term storage, and you're not stuck with one or two types of beer.

      Ok, way off topic but I'm replying to your comment (besides it's so late in the day how likely is someone else going to be reading these comments?)

    59. Re:UK rules OK by seriesrover · · Score: 1

      whilst I totally disagree with the grandparents POV, the word "prolly" is actually an English coloquialism of "probably" if I'm not mistaken.

    60. Re:UK rules OK by Ayaress · · Score: 1

      I do really hate American beer. Almost as much as Canadian beer. The only exception is Pabst, which I don't consider an American beer. It's so bad, I've invented a new make-believe country Called Pabstania that I pretend it comes from so I can hate it even more. Budweiser I don't mind too much, and it's what I drink when I want to make sure I'm still reasonably sober at the end of the night. My favorite beers come from Ireland, Killians and Guinness. But both of them only come in six-packs here, and a six pack of guinness costs as much as a case of budweiser. Bass is the only English beer I've had, but I liked it a lot. Stronger than anything they piss out over here, smooth taste, and I don't have to keep eating pickles or something to keep the aftertaste down like I do with Killians. The only downside is that, like I said, most of the stores here don't carry much imported beer. The Bootlegger on Cooper has everything, but it's also a kind of seedy place, and I prefer to keep caps out of my ass. Anyway, if this is what you guys consider dishwater, then your beer is even better than I thought!

    61. Re:UK rules OK by Ayaress · · Score: 1

      I only live up in Michigan. My city has a few groups like the Ezekiel project that get rather loud and stupid about stores selling imports when they make the same stuff in the US (or even American products if it's made locally, which is why half the bread in Kessel's is either Spat'z dry crap or Napolitano's doughy crap).

      Meijer's won't sell liquor to me. I tried once, and they insisted I was only 20 (I'd been 21 for almost four months, though), and now they won't let me buy any alcohol or tobacco at all anymore. Which is a shame, they do have nice prices overall. Kessel's carries Guinness, but it's too expensive. The Bootlegger carries a lot of stuff, but it's a kind of seedy place (especially considering that it's in a pretty good part of town). I have a personal rule against shopping anywhere that's had more than two violent crimes in the last year, and the Bootlegger's met that definition since I used to run there in middle school and buy pepsi during recess.

    62. Re:UK rules OK by jag164 · · Score: 1

      Killians? Irish?

    63. Re:UK rules OK by Zilquis · · Score: 1

      Not sure of Wychwood still make it but a pint of "The Dogs Bollocks" was always quite nice

    64. Re:UK rules OK by goatan · · Score: 1
      Not sure of Wychwood still make it but a pint of "The Dogs Bollocks" was always quite nice

      I think you can still get it wychwood pubs but supermarkets tend not to stock it, probably because of the name.

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  3. Statistics..... by wpiman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You have to wonder about this. They show the US at 24.6% of PCs compromise- and the UK at 25.2%. This is well within the margin of error for even the most rigorous of surverying.

    1. Re:Statistics..... by kevin_conaway · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ah come on, you can make up statistics to prove anything. 14% of people know that.

    2. Re:Statistics..... by jerichohol · · Score: 0

      Exactly, I always thought the rule was that the US is no. 1 for all things Why not this? Surely more internet users compared to the 60 Million people of the UK. If not, Yeah, we finally won something which is not a football tounrament

    3. Re:Statistics..... by tabkey12 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But considering US has 4.5 times as many people - the fact that the UK is that high at all is very worrying.

    4. Re:Statistics..... by gowen · · Score: 1
      Yeah, we finally won something which is not a football tounrament
      When was the last time you won a football tournament? Everyone was saying how many years ago Wales's last Grand Slam was, but it was 12 years *after* England last won a soccer tournament.
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    5. Re:Statistics..... by Monkelectric · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Well, if you think about per capita, the UK has a much worse problem. However, I think what theyre really saying is, "sales of symantec products poor in the UK."

      Maybe the brits just know that symantec has been a joke for years.

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    6. Re:Statistics..... by KidHash · · Score: 1

      Sorry, what? I don't understand...

    7. Re:Statistics..... by KidHash · · Score: 1

      ack ack, never mind. RTFA, yes, I know

    8. Re:Statistics..... by ites · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Furthermore the figure seems far too low. From my experience with Windows PCs, something close to 100% of home Windows PCs are compromised - I've not seen a single home Windows PC without some spyware or trojan in the last year.

      How can one count whether a PC is compromised? Perhaps by tracking and sampling bot traffic. But many compromised PCs are not used except to spread the parastical software. A zombied PC that is actively used tends to be noticed and wiped.

      I suspect the real figure - if one counts all parasitic software (viruses, trojans, spyware, and backdoors) - is more like 80%, with a large part of the healthy PCs either not running Windows, or being disconnected from the Internet.

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    9. Re:Statistics..... by nolife · · Score: 1

      Maybe there survey included actual ip addresses and not just asking someone if they were owned? They are not comparing percentage of PCs that are owned vs not owned, they are looking at percentage of the owned computers in each country vs total owned. You could get higher accuracy but still very questionable.

      I bet Symantec recognized weaker sales of their software in the UK and needed a PR boost to increase sales. That could explain the resolution of the figures and why they simply did not round them both off to 25%.

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    10. Re:Statistics..... by quigonn · · Score: 3, Funny

      When was the last time you won a football tournament?

      England always wins in the Premier League...

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    11. Re:Statistics..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The report says that "25.2% [of bots] are located in the UK", not that 25.2% of UK computers are bots.

    12. Re:Statistics..... by AddressException · · Score: 1

      England always wins in the Premier League...

      Ahh, but can you really consider it an England win with so many foreign players in the best teams?

    13. Re:Statistics..... by KillerDeathRobot · · Score: 1

      An almost 10% margin of error is pretty huge.

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    14. Re:Statistics..... by Ayaress · · Score: 1

      He means the US has four times as many people as the UK. Most recent census I turned up on Google says 59.6 million. Compare to just under 300 million in the US - 295.7 million from the census clock. So it's actually close to six times as many people.

      I couldn't find good numbers for how many internet connections there were in the UK, but for the sake of argument, let's say that about the same percentage of people in the US and UK use the internet. That would mean that the US has six times as many PCs on the internet as the UK has, but they both have about the same number of hacked bot computers. Which means that, per n computers, the UK has six times as many hacked computers as the US.

      Even if the margin of error was reversed, the UK still has far less computers overall, but very nearly as many hacked computers.

    15. Re:Statistics..... by flumps · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Think about how stupid the average person is; now realise half of them are dumber than that. - George Carlin 47.3% of all statistics are made up on the spot. - Steven Wright How to understand statistics.

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    16. Re:Statistics..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They may not, if two certain clubs north of the border get their way.

    17. Re:Statistics..... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      With the majority of players in the Premier League not being English (or even British), Id have to say that your statement is false (while amusing).

    18. Re:Statistics..... by Zocalo · · Score: 1
      While the number does seem high, especially given the ~5:1 population ratio, it does seem quite plausible to me that it might be at least in the ballpark. Even taking into account the number of worms that have an affinity for scanning the "local network", most of my firewall hits are from other UK residents. According to my latest firewall log report, the US, China, Japan and Korea pretty much make up the rest with only odd probes from other nations - even Russia is now an also ran!

      The question is, how are the UK ISP going to react, especially if our "eGovernment" fanatics bring political pressure to bear in the general election run up? I'd like to see a program of user education, faster responses in removing infected PCs from the Internet and proactive monitoring. However, I expect to see more enforced restrictions on traffic, not that I'd particularly mind seeing ISPs firewalling ports 13[579] and 445, but that is potentially an awfully slippery slope.

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    19. Re:Statistics..... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      When was the last time you won a football tournament

      What countries take part in the World Series?

    20. Re:Statistics..... by oliverthered · · Score: 1

      I've never seen a study that shows the more people you have the more stupid they become.
      Whey they say 'hacked' I think they mean...

      for(x in ipblock){
      send(13374x0r)
      }

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    21. Re:Statistics..... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

      Wales have contested the 6 Nations (prior to 2000, the 5 Nations) every year since then. They've had had a shot at winning the Grand Slam every year, and to do it all they've had to do was beat 5 (4) other teams.

      England have had the chance to win a footballing tournament every other year, against a much greater field of opposition. When it comes to the European Championship, there have been 20-30+ contesting each tournament. When it comes to the World Cup, there have been about five times that number.

      Bottom line: statistically, it's easier to win the Grand Slam in rugby union than it is to win a football tournament.

      Heck, Wales haven't even qualified for the finals of any football competition since 1958, and even then they only played that year because of India's late withdrawal. There aren't many positives that one can take from Welsh football, are there?

      Nevertheless, let me congratulate Wales on their 2005 success. At least one Michael Owen will have one something this year.

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    22. Re:Statistics..... by gowen · · Score: 1
      What countries take part in the World Series?
      I'm Welsh. Why the fuck should I care about the World Series?
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    23. Re:Statistics..... by gowen · · Score: 1

      Oh, I agree with you on every word of that.

      But "Hooray, we've won something besides a football tournament" does seem to imply that winning football tournaments is something of a habit for the British, when it pretty clearly isn't.

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    24. Re:Statistics..... by gowen · · Score: 1

      (Oh, and incidentally : Since 1966 there have been 9 World Cups and 10 European Championships [giving 19 major championships] and a total of 20 Grand Slams).

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    25. Re:Statistics..... by operagost · · Score: 1

      The corporate product is very stable and signature updates are de facto free. Unfortunately, the home product has almost nothing in common with it.

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    26. Re:Statistics..... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

      The number of Grand Slams has nothing to do with the number of potential Grand Slams. (Other than, of course, the former is less than the latter).

      Wales (or anyone else) could have won the Grand Slam every year had they been good enough.

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    27. Re:Statistics..... by MustardMan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Furthermore the figure seems far too low.

      The figure is only for bot nets, which are a far more disruptive compromise than your standard trojan. A chunk of spyware on your own pc only hurts you, a zombie pc can be used to phish lots of cc numbers from unsuspecting suckers. I'm sure if you count spyware and the like, the number will skyrocket, but you start to get into grey areas when the spyware was installed by the user himself, willingly clicking through a long EULA.

    28. Re:Statistics..... by edittard · · Score: 0
      The report says that "25.2% [of bots] are located in the UK", not that 25.2% of UK computers are bots.
      The figures seemed crazy to me so I read TFOA on the assumption that some /. muppet had misunderstood, but it seems they hadn't. Must have been some other muppet...
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    29. Re:Statistics..... by gowen · · Score: 1

      But someone's going to win a major soccer title every two years whether or not they're objectively any good.

      Check out the Greeks in Euro 2004.

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    30. Re:Statistics..... by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      Come back when WALES wins the world cup - football or rugby.

      I dunno, a poxy six nations grand slam and you lot think you're the kings of the world...

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    31. Re:Statistics..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFQuote.... it says of all the BOT NETWORK COMPUTERS.... not of all the computers for that country..... so it's saying that of those computers 25.2% are in the UK and 24.6% are in the US.... i would have thought people could read..... but then i remember that this is slashdot, if people RTFA or RTFQ before they posted i would be expecting too much

    32. Re:Statistics..... by gowen · · Score: 1

      I didn't say anything about Wales's merits. Nothing at all. I was just pointing out that 39 years as quite a long time to keep banging on about a sporting success.

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    33. Re:Statistics..... by gl4ss · · Score: 2, Informative

      it wouldn't matter if us had 1000 times more the people.

      it's a percentual stat.

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    34. Re:Statistics..... by dtfinch · · Score: 1

      We use the corporate edition but I really don't use antivirus software on my own Windows PC's. It bogs them down too much and causes other problems.

    35. Re:Statistics..... by operagost · · Score: 1

      Either you're a skillful troll or really stupid. Many people who use Windows at home are quite tecnically knowledgable: sysadmins, techs, and just long-time hobbyists. I don't have to even spend any time keeping nasties off my boxen. I bought a cheap but good Asante router, don't DMZ anything and run a virus scanner with auto-updates just in case I decide to do something stupid.

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    36. Re:Statistics..... by Daengbo · · Score: 1

      World Series? I thought we were talking about football, not baseball... ;)

    37. Re:Statistics..... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

      Even so, number of potential Grand Slams is twice the number of potential football tournament wins.

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    38. Re:Statistics..... by Sentry21 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      However, I think what theyre really saying is, "sales of symantec products poor in the UK."

      This goes well with their 'Sales of Symantec problems poor on OS X' article from yesterday.

    39. Re:Statistics..... by mindstrm · · Score: 2, Informative

      THe percentage given is not the percentage of computers in the country that have been compromised..

      It's the percentage of compromised computers that originate in that country.

      On a given bot-net, there are more computers from the UK than the US. Given that the UK is much smaller than the US, this is significant.

    40. Re:Statistics..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      England is the only country in history to have won both the football world cup and the rugby world cup. Where are you from, anyway?

    41. Re:Statistics..... by Peldor · · Score: 1

      You're not understanding the statement (RTFAAgain). It says 25% of all bots are in the UK (according to Symantec). That may mean 100%, 10% or 1% of all UK PCs are compromised. The article doesn't say what percentage of PCs are compromised, just that a bunch of 'em are in the UK.

    42. Re:Statistics..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What counts as spyware? Effectually unavoidable tracking cookies?

      Then sure.

      If you mean real live spyware, I have a few dozen people for you to meet. They've all been taught about AdAware and Spybot S&D by yours truly.

      Some of them have even progessed as far as to learn 'safe' browsing habits. (Such as not believing that 'Wicked Cool Screensaver' is Wicked, Cool or a Screensaver.)

      As a sidenote, as I'm working in the real world(tm), it's amusing how many spambot/zombie programs exist for Lee-nucks.

      Anything not designed from the start to be secure, will be insecure. Anything designed from the start to be secure, will be insecure.

      Computers suck.

    43. Re:Statistics..... by Monkelectric · · Score: 4, Informative
      The corporate product is very stable and signature updates are de facto free

      Except that the signatures are lightyears behind ... Panda: Updates once a day, Trend: updates every 3 hours. Symantec: Every TWO WEEKS.

      Two weeks is simply unacceptable. Contrary to their literature, Symantec does *NOT* take security seriously.

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    44. Re:Statistics..... by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

      umm, and now why exactly do you see all these computers and check them for spyware? Think about it, why would you go and check someones pc for spyware unless they have a problem, if thier computer is fine, they wouldn't ask you to check it would they?

    45. Re:Statistics..... by bajo77 · · Score: 1

      Two weeks is simply unacceptable. Contrary to their literature, Symantec does *NOT* take security seriously.
      The symantec client updates every 1-2 weeks by default. However, you can change this setting to daily. I know this is true in the corporate version

    46. Re:Statistics..... by Monkelectric · · Score: 3, Informative
      The symantec client updates every 1-2 weeks by default. However, you can change this setting to daily. I know this is true in the corporate version

      Ok, but is symantec updating their defs every 1-2 days? Trend updates 2 or 3 times a day on slow days. I was under the impression that symantec updates their defs like once a week.

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    47. Re:Statistics..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, maybe this year Russia will win...

    48. Re:Statistics..... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      it's a percentual stat.
      Perhaps you should (1) learn something about statistics, (2) (if not implied by the former), learn that with percentages the question to ask is always "percent of what?".

      Oh, and (3) RTFA, which contains the answer to the question in (2).

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    49. Re:Statistics..... by Total_Wimp · · Score: 1

      Insightful instead of troll? Funny.

      Any computer industry statement that starts with "something close to 100%" should be suspect right from the start.

      TW

    50. Re:Statistics..... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1
      Maybe the brits just know that symantec has been a joke for years.

      /me glances at system tray where Symantec icon lived until last month, at which time I got so tired of its inability to schedule jobs properly that I asked our sysadmin to replace it with an alternative. Trend lives there now instead, and is becoming our corporate standard.

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    51. Re:Statistics..... by PMuse · · Score: 1

      ;)

      . . . In other news, 86% of people surveyed agree that figures never lie.

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    52. Re:Statistics..... by ites · · Score: 1

      Not a computer industry statement but a statement of my observation over the last years.

      We are long past the "knee" of the infection curve: this hit around a year ago. Today, it is exceptional to find a domestic Windows PC that is not infected by at least 4-6 different parasites.

      It's true that most of these don't appear to cause obvious harm but this is an ominous sign in itself... it means that (a) they will spread further and remain undetected for longer and (b) that the parasitical software is mature.

      Once you have a single trojan or spyware installed, others will follow. It is meaningless to say "so far, so good".

      "Close to 100%" was meant exactly as that. In my experience only a tiny fraction of domestic Windows users are skilled enough to keep their boxes safe. Those behind company firewalls, with strict policies on patching, are reasonably safe but even this does not guard against IE exploits.

      If you really think I was trolling then you need to go outside and take a look at what has happened to the connected world in the last 18 months.

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    53. Re:Statistics..... by budgenator · · Score: 1

      I think there is a strong implication that UK has a greater percentage of their PCs on a broadband connection than the US has, and therefore UK computers are more desirable for 'bot networks. The numbers would probably be the same if they compared 0wned machines per broadband connection in both countries, and very different when compared as 0wned Computers per total computers.

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    54. Re:Statistics..... by JThundley · · Score: 1

      Internet Explorer and thus Windows comes with spyware out of the box. It's kind of a stretch, but I still think Alexa counts.

    55. Re:Statistics..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the UK or for the US?

    56. Re:Statistics..... by m50d · · Score: 1

      RTFA. Not "25% of PCs in the UK". It's 25% of the world's compromised PCs are in the UK.

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    57. Re:Statistics..... by Total_Wimp · · Score: 1

      What I object to is the unfair extrapolation. Lot of machines are infected and lots aren't.

      Nowhere near 100% of the windows computers in my company are infected; nowhere near 100% of our employees home computers are infected; and nowhere near 100% of the people I know have infected computers.

      You see 100% (or close to that) and I don't. Blame it on some strange time/space probability warp if you like. I'd prefer to think that neither my nor your anecdotal evidence is remotely close to the national truth.

      Look, I'm sorry about the troll comment if you didn't mean it that way, but my bullshit detector always starts flashing when anyone makes blanket (and inflammatory) statements like "close to 100%". It's like elections. Show me the elections where some candidate won by "close to 100%"? I don't know of too many in the U.S., but I have heard of a few abroad. Saddam Hussein won his "election" in Iraq by more than 99% a few years back. Yes, I was very skeptical of that, too.

      TW

    58. Re:Statistics..... by bryhhh · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression that symantec updates their defs like once a week.

      You have been mis-impressed.

      I think you need to read this so that you understand how symantec updates work.

      For people allergic to hyperlinks, Intelligent Update definitions are released daily, often multiple updates each day. Live update definitions are released weekly (every wednesday), unless a major threat is uncovered, in which case a new update is put out immediately.

      The default (unmanaged) install of SAV will use live update for the weekly updates (and IIRC checks daily for a new download), but if you are running corp. edition, a clued up sys admin will probably have thrown together a wget script to pull down updates on a daily basis. Once this update is installed on the corporate AV server, the clients get the update almost instantly. I've seen a few AV systems, and this one is hard to beat.

    59. Re:Statistics..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      False.

      The most rigorous of surveying would involve checking every member of the entire population. (in this case, checking every computer in the world) This gives exact results, margin of error = 0. .6% is well outside this margin of error. Also, the margin of error does not depend only on how rigorous your surveying was. The actual results of the survey have an impact on the margin of error.

      Actually, before you even start thinking about things like "margin of error", which is a very bad term in any case, get a statistics book. Read it.

      What you most likely mean by "margin of error" is one standard deviation, and being wrong by just over one standard deviation is not that bad in any case. In fact, in a large number of statistical surveys, about one third of them will have results which are more than one standard deviation away from the correct value. So, being outside the one standard deviation range doesn't mean a whole lot. Of course, "margin of error" could be a lot of other things too... it might be two standard deviations, or three, or some other number not related to the standard deviation.

      I know most slashdotters have at least some reasonable level of intelligence, frequently slightly higher than the population at large. And furthermore, most slashdotters (as I understand the mentality) pride themselves on knowledge. So why this persistent misunderstanding of things we all ought to know about? (ie statistics, or physics) And furthermore, why blatantly advertise our ignorance?? I mean, when people start talking about PERL, I keep my mouth shut, because I don't know PERL. But when some things, again ie statistics or physics, come up, everyone starts spouting off as if they've been studying it for years. And yet they are frequently wrong in the most naive of ways.

      However, that said, I do applaud you for questioning the statistics. That in itself is not naive. The manner in which you questioned them, however, is.

  4. w00t by cca93014 · · Score: 3, Funny

    w00t! Finally we lead the world at something!

    1. Re:w00t by Chris+Kamel · · Score: 1

      Speaking as a non-hacked Brit
      Did you ever see someone speaking as a hacked Brit? :P

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    2. Re:w00t by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

      The UK has leaded the world of Music for years. Not comercially, but in quality and innovation.
      Up The Irons!.

      [Disclaimer: I'm not from the UK]

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  5. It's called a hardware NAT router by jabuzz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Basically they should be made compulsary for all broadband connections. It is the plethora of cheap USB ADSL modems that are being offered free with connections that it causing the problem.

    1. Re:It's called a hardware NAT router by B2382F29 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You don't need NAT, a simple firewall which blocks connections not initiated from the internal computer is enough. NAT is fine if you have > 1 computers but NAT itself isn't the magic silver bullet.

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    2. Re:It's called a hardware NAT router by rpozz · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, the user will mindlessly disable the firewall if it stops something from working. You need a hardware solution which can't be totally disabled (like NAT).

    3. Re:It's called a hardware NAT router by farnz · · Score: 1
      I'm in the UK; my broadband router does not do NAT or filtering. Guess what? I'm clueful enough to run my own firewall and lock down the boxes I own, so I'm not a problem.

      The only other two people I know well enough to comment on their security who have broadband have NAT routers. It doesn't exactly stop them getting turned into zombies from the warez they download and install (download 10 different "adobe photoshop cs" installers, run each one in turn until one works).

    4. Re:It's called a hardware NAT router by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but a NAT prevents you from being directly on the Internet. This blocks all incoming connections which will break many things.

      Now, I am behind a NAT firewall, but I control it so I can allow certain things through that I need (ssh and such).

    5. Re:It's called a hardware NAT router by caluml · · Score: 3, Insightful
      It's called a hardware NAT router

      Cmon, a NAT router won't stop someone getting infected via some malware run by their browser, and then connecting out to an IRC channel awaiting commands. It won't stop someone sending spam either. NAT isn't the answer.

    6. Re:It's called a hardware NAT router by ka9dgx · · Score: 4, Insightful
      NAT doesn't solve the problem, it merely hides the symptoms of the bigger picture:
      • The users expect an appliance, and don't want to be sysadmins
      • The company that likely created the OS is driven by marketing, and the need for features over stability
      • The programmers that wrote the code were under pressure to meet deadlines, and just get it shipped.
      • The language chosen to write the OS and applications in is weakly typed, and prone to holes.
      • The security model of the OS based on access control lists, which are insufficient to meet the challenges of mobile code
      • The internet service providers are under economic pressure, and have insufficient resources to track down and take offline all of the compromised machines
      • Hardware has gotten so fast that sometimes its just not perceptable that a machine is a zombie, until it gets quite overt
      • The globally distributed nature of the treat makes it almost impossible to isolate and address with the court system
      • The economic incentives to take over your machine increase daily, as more creative (profitable) uses are found for it.
      • The barriers to entry that do exist are constantly being lowered as new tools become available to script kiddies, etc.
      When you go with NAT, you fundamentally break the end to end nature of the InterNet, and you don't solve any of the above problems.

      NAT is a band aid at best, and the end of the InterNet at worst.

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    7. Re:It's called a hardware NAT router by CdBee · · Score: 3, Informative

      When you go out and buy a new XP PC, or have to reinstall it using the restore CD.. and if you;re a clueless noob like most surfers, that's when you find that NAT is the answer.

      A lot of zombifying malwares DO spread by direct infection of unpatched machines. Those 30 mins it takes to download patches are the time in which NAT is a lifesaver. Of course it should always be accompanied by software firewalling to control outgoing connections.

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    8. Re:It's called a hardware NAT router by aug24 · · Score: 1
      Or 'friends don't let friends put windows on networks'.

      Justin.

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    9. Re:It's called a hardware NAT router by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, loosen your shorts. NAT is s good thing, but it's not the only or necessarily best answer. You raise some good points, though some require a stretch of the imagination.

    10. Re:It's called a hardware NAT router by caluml · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd say that most of the time it's people clicking stuff, and surfing dodgy sites, believing that their NAT and virus scanner will protect them from 0-day malware.

    11. Re:It's called a hardware NAT router by B2382F29 · · Score: 1

      I'm also talking about hardware but i wanted to clarify the difference between NAT (which could be made so that the computers behind it are still reachable, e.g. by forwarding port ranges etc) and a stateful firewall (which is part of a useful NAT, but not an integral part.)

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    12. Re:It's called a hardware NAT router by mykdavies · · Score: 1

      Too right.

      I was talking to a relative a couple of weeks, and he said that his machine's dial-up connection had been hijacked by one of the rogue-dialler programs, and in 'fixing' it the PCWorld staff had deleted all his photos, music etc. His solution made me want to cry: "I'm not going through all that again, so I've got a broadband connection instead."

      ADSL modem, no firewall.

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    13. Re:It's called a hardware NAT router by Peldor · · Score: 1
      NAT is a band aid at best, and the end of the InterNet at worst.

      Utter rubbish. When a $20 piece of hardware (a trivial cost compared to the computer and broadband connection) stops the vast majority of infections, that's a vaccine, not a bandaid.

    14. Re:It's called a hardware NAT router by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      When you go out and buy a new XP PC, or have to reinstall it using the restore CD.. and if you;re a clueless noob like most surfers, that's when you find that NAT is the answer.

      NAT is Not a security thing. The security you get out of NAT is a site effect of the connection tracking nature of NAT. If you don't need NAT (i.e. if you're only connecting 1 machine to the internet) a firewall that just does connection tracking is a far better option. Sadly I have yet to see a consumer DSL router that lets you do stateful firewalling without the added headache of NAT.

    15. Re:It's called a hardware NAT router by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

      A lot of zombifying malwares DO spread by direct infection of unpatched machines. Those 30 mins it takes to download patches are the time in which NAT is a lifesaver. Of course it should always be accompanied by software firewalling to control outgoing connections.

      Got some data to back that up?

      Email is the primary attack vector, followed by vulnerable browsers.

      NAT isn't going to do anything to slow this down. ISPs can make a dent by blocking proven virus/trojan ports.

      To take that one step further: I'd like to see ISPs adopt a more secure mind set: Only allow port 80 ( and maybe aol/icq... ect ) out to the world. Then, if a customer calls in to complain, they simply find out which app it is, and open it up, FOR THAT CUSTOMER.

      That's how I'd do it. Nice, simple, no real problems, and bot nets would virtually disappear

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    16. Re:It's called a hardware NAT router by peachpuff · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about?

      The hardware NAT routers at your local big box retailer address the first few points on your list. Those things are basically appliances running stripped-down embedded versions of BSD or something similar.

      It doesn't "break the Internet" to have an invisible subnetwork with a translating router. Nor does it "break the Internet" to only accept connections on ports where you actually intend to offer data.

      If a home user wants to run server software and expose it to the world, a NAT router forces them to jump through an extra hoop. That's all.

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    17. Re:It's called a hardware NAT router by dodobh · · Score: 1

      Anatomy of NATs

      NATs are not an answer. NATs are problems. The above is a detailed analysis of the good, the bad and the ugly of NATs. I recommend actually reading all of that article.

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    18. Re:It's called a hardware NAT router by CdBee · · Score: 1

      No link - I need a pee and the bathrooms about to come free - but about a week ago an article on here documented the results of leaving an unpatched Win2K box accessible from the internet. It got spyware and adware as well as a few worms.

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    19. Re:It's called a hardware NAT router by MightyMartian · · Score: 1
      To take that one step further: I'd like to see ISPs adopt a more secure mind set: Only allow port 80 ( and maybe aol/icq... ect ) out to the world. Then, if a customer calls in to complain, they simply find out which app it is, and open it up, FOR THAT CUSTOMER.

      That's an enormous amount of overhead to have to put on an ISP. In the case where you have hundreds or thousands of users, potentially having different configs for each one would be a resource and accounting nightmare.

      The policy of the ISP I work for is to block at the customer level all MS filesharing ports, a few other ports known for vulnerabilities, as well as not allowing non-MTA mail traffic outside of our network (port 25 blocking at the gateway). If there is some need for a customer to connect to, say, an MS network, there is VPN tunneling. If someone is paying to run a server on our network, then we turn off all filtering, with the understanding that if they start spewing worms, spam, or leave an open proxy, we'll shut them down.

      It's certainly not a perfect solution, but at least we've managed to keep infections fairly isolated, and we're not polluting the rest of the Internet.

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    20. Re:It's called a hardware NAT router by genner · · Score: 1

      Did you actually read the aritcle you linked too?
      It specifically calls your viewpoint extreme.
      NAT's need to be standardized and reworked not
      abandoned.

    21. Re:It's called a hardware NAT router by gnuman99 · · Score: 1
      I'm sorry, but your analogy blows. Do you know what vaccines do? They DO NOT prevent infections. They are there to allow your immune system to respond to an infection in a timely manner. If you want a computer analogy, then they are to disease what virus definition files are to your virus scanner (aka. the immune system).

      Actually, it is the connection tracking of NAT that is the band aid. What source NAT (minus the connection tracking part) is is more of a cage for your computer that monitors what data your computer can receive on what ports. Unauthorized communication is prohibited.

      Source NAT is a jail for your computer so that others on the Internet cannot communicate with is. It is a I-call-you,-you-don't-call-me type of a deal.

      In hindsight, the Internet was designed to thwart a nuclear attack on the comptuer network. I guess they didn't envision Network Address Translation.

    22. Re:It's called a hardware NAT router by m50d · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. Why the hell do you need one? If there's anything which should be made compulsory, it's a non-braindead OS. But I'm very glad I can use my free USB modem.

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    23. Re:It's called a hardware NAT router by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hear Hear!

      cynical side notes:
      There is no technical reason why I should not be able to walk into compusa, ask for a computer that by design doesn`t "get viruses" and not get laughed at. The orange book described what a secure computer system should look like, multics shows what a secure OS and computer system look like in reality... and they did so thirty f$%#ing years ago! (Also the morris worm was in 88) There is only one conclusion possible, everyone who can fix these problems once and for all has been abducted by aliens for twenty years now and noone noticed... or whatever. Their excuse better be good!

      The fact that noone goes into compusa to ask for a computer that does not spend most of its time spreading worms and ddos might also be a small factor. This is ofcourse not going to change until the raporting on computer security moves on from spreading symantec FUD to doing real reviews of the stuff on the market. This would interfere with the megahurts/marchitecture "benchmarks" though...

      To be fair this rapport isn`t all bad. It has the usual vaguely defined growing graphs, percentages only, no absolute numerbs and everything "Source: Symantec coorporation". You wont find those in honeynet and SANS data and analysis. Being ductape salesmen the symantecs of this world need their FUD...

      However to the end the rapport has some real data from what looks like an impressive honeynet. You will have to go through the usual "number of rapported vulnerabilities" graphs comparing mozilla and internet explorer first though.

    24. Re:It's called a hardware NAT router by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nat routers / Firewalls .... The real problem is windows it's self !

  6. USA is not #1 by spicydragonz · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yet another example of the rest of the world overthrowing american hegemony. We all need to do our part to get USA back on top. Install worms and Trojans.

  7. So... when we talk about the average user by jafomatic · · Score: 1

    Should we change it to "Tommy six-pack" instead of "Joe six-pack" now?

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    1. Re:So... when we talk about the average user by kevin_conaway · · Score: 5, Funny

      How about Tommy Two-Pint?

    2. Re:So... when we talk about the average user by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      I vote we change it to "Johnny 12-pack". As I am pretty sure with the number of botnets on my personal computer I was singulary responsible for at least 3% of Canada's 4.9%.... Damn Corporate 2600 build XP Pro!

      BTW thats sounds like a joke or something... "Tommy, Johnny, and Joe walk into a bar..."

    3. Re:So... when we talk about the average user by Ironsides · · Score: 1

      Two-Pint? I didn't think the brits were that light weight from reading BOFH. Come on, if the three guys down the hall from me can drink a 30-rack (each) on a friday night the brits have got to be able to be at least Tommy Six-Pints.

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    4. Re:So... when we talk about the average user by Frodo+Crockett · · Score: 1

      Should we change it to "Tommy six-pack" instead of "Joe six-pack" now?

      I think I'll stick with "you idiot". The look on their face is always priceless...

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    5. Re:So... when we talk about the average user by orcrist · · Score: 1

      Should we change it to "Tommy six-pack" instead of "Joe six-pack" now?

      I think "Tommy Two-Pint" has a nice ring, and it fits better. "Tommy Half-pint" isn't bad either, though who ever heard of a Brit stopping after half a pint ;-)

      -chris

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    6. Re:So... when we talk about the average user by orcrist · · Score: 1

      Damn, you beat me to it. I should have refreshed before posting mine. :-P

      -chris

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    7. Re:So... when we talk about the average user by DoctorMO · · Score: 1

      Don't be daft, 6 pints is pifling to most of the people I know at work, even my pottering ol' dad drinks 6 pints of stella every night.

  8. hacking abroad by cwebb1977 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or it is because most hackers or script kiddies are located in the US and elsewhere outside the UK and they prefer hacking abroad, because that might limit the possibility of legal troubles.

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    1. Re:hacking abroad by Illserve · · Score: 1

      Bots are generally spread automatically, it's unlikely that they their distribution is the intent of their owners.

    2. Re:hacking abroad by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      The broads ain't so hot in the UK from what I hear.

  9. Yay! by Kid+Zero · · Score: 2, Funny

    We're #2! We're #2! We're #2! :D

  10. As a Brit... by bobintetley · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can definitely vouch for this, I personally witnessed some 20 odd pieces of malware duking it out on my brothers 2Mbit broadband to see who could relay the most spam.

    Since then, I've converted the majority of my friends and family to Debian and they haven't looked back.

    1. Re:As a Brit... by Arbin · · Score: 1

      Converted the majority of your friends and family to Debian? My! IT would seem you've become a said friends and family's helpdesk. My friends/family constantly think of me as their personal tech-budda and my IMs/phone go off constantly with "help me!" type questions, and I haven't touched most of their computers..

    2. Re:As a Brit... by bobintetley · · Score: 1

      This is true, but now I don't receive any phone calls at all asking for help - once you've invested the time in setting up a custom desktop for them, it "just works". I got Windows support calls all the bloody time before because it kept grinding, crashing, getting infected with malware/viruses, shit stopped working, etc.

      It's also surprising when people complain that "It all looks alien" just how quickly they can get used to something else (nothing in desktop land is *that* different), and more importantly, how little they use what they had. I switched my mother to Abiword (based on docs I've seen of hers) and she didn't even notice. She's actually using WindowMaker and "really likes the big simple icons"

      Since I got rid of Windows on my parents and friends computers, my phone has never been so quiet!

      I stipulate now if you want me to support your computer, I'm not doing it if you're running Windows - you can take it to PCWorld and pay the monkeys with scripts every 3 months to clean off your spyware. Makes my life much more pleasant.

    3. Re:As a Brit... by DoctorMO · · Score: 1

      I'm having a hard time propigating Debian/Gentoo or anything other than windows on my familys computers, my uncle has always been a big shot computer guru (hardware and windows) and thinks that Linux is a company that won't make any money because of Microsoft. (yes I know I've told him, he dosn't understand it's not a company)

      So I'll continue to presure, someone will try it and like and and then it'll start getting easyer to convince.

  11. Even with the increase in broadband popularity... by tabkey12 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    that is a HUGE number of bots. I wonder if there is a greater penetration of computers in the UK into homes, which might explain this.

  12. required skills by lanc · · Score: 1, Interesting


    IMNSHO having a box on the net is nearly as sharp situation as driving a car - how about some computer-internet-licence if one wants to have one?

    Since you can spam (willing or not even knowing about it) or be a zombie for some hax0r-attacks, you should carry responsibility. At least partly.

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    1. Re:required skills by ExKoopaTroopa · · Score: 1

      dude, I've claiming this for years, no broadband until you pass the test !

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    2. Re:required skills by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Having a licence required would cause the PC/Internet access industry to plummet. And because of lack of consumer investment, progress in newer technologies would slow down.

      Ya, spyware sucks ass. But I'll just let the free market take care of this. Until then, I'm willing to take the good with the bad.

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    3. Re:required skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We should also have some kind of telephone-usage-licence cause i keep getting these calls around dinner time.

      offtopic: i am also selling this machine here that can detect sarcasm.

    4. Re:required skills by AnFraX · · Score: 1

      You usually need licences to play with stuff that can kill someone. I just don't see a h4x0red computer getting up and stabbing anyone. Yet, atleast.

    5. Re:required skills by lanc · · Score: 1


      Having a licence required would cause the PC/Internet access industry to plummet. And because of lack of consumer investment, progress in newer technologies would slow down.

      Right. Then do not let users without the licence have windows. Give them an all-singing-all-dancing linux, without root, upgraded remotely.

      Ya, spyware sucks ass. But I'll just let the free market take care of this. Until then, I'm willing to take the good with the bad.

      The real problem here is, that without some bad-designed OS-like thingie the 'bad' wouldn't even exist. With a licence like this people at least would have an idea about the net and computing, and wouldnt fall for the lets_sell_our_OS_and_lie_abotu_it_how_cool_it_is firms^H.

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    6. Re:required skills by lanc · · Score: 1


      Sure it won't kill you. It'll only give away your bankinformation, creditcardnumbers, address, list of sites you visited, mails, accounts, passwords.

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    7. Re:required skills by Technician · · Score: 1

      Having a licence required would cause the PC/Internet access industry to plummet.

      Quite the contrair. Look at the unregulated radio spectrum in the US. The CB radio band is just about useless. The regulated bands used for FIRE POLICE and Ham Radio Operators do much better. The unregulated bands are abused to the point of being useless much like the Internet is becomming. I don't use CB radio anymore. It now happens to many Internet users. There are growing numbers that just pull the plug and never look back. It's just too big a problem and too many incomming communications are trojans, viruses, and scams. Who wants it. Something needs to be done to clean it up or something will grow around it and bypass it. Cell phones have replaced CB radio. The education system is starting a new net to bypass the problems of the Internet. They can see having the door open to just anyone and everyone with no restrictions is just trouble in the making.

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    8. Re:required skills by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      IMNSHO having a box on the net is nearly as sharp situation as driving a car - how about some computer-internet-licence if one wants to have one?

      Interesting idea. To take your car license analogy a bit further there should of course be different levels of licensing also. Learner's permits for beginners, regular licenses for normal users, and professional licenses for content providers and programmers. Fines, suspensions, and revocations should be based on the potential harm that could result from the infraction.

      For example, users who neglect to use a firewall could be fined $50, content providers who neglect to scan their files for viruses could face license suspension, and progammers who neglect to check for security holes could face license revocation.

      Sound good? Not to me it doesn't.

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    9. Re:required skills by quentin_quayle · · Score: 1

      " Having a licence required would cause the PC/Internet access industry to plummet."

      That's not even the worst effect of a licence requirement. Not by far.

      It would almost immediately become a means for government (U.S.? State? LOcal? any licence issuer) to stomp on freedom of speech. Put up computerlicencingsucks.com, and they find some pretext to yank your licence. Critcise GWB, and "oops, your test score was miscalculated!".

      Oh, and then the vendors would get into it. Makers of $expensive_proprietary_junkware would lobby to get their progs required as part of "responsible computer use" and then you're having to pay for it and having to run all kinds of treacherous junk on your PC. ANd certain OS, of course! Next would be hucksters of exam-passing courses, and having to parrot all kinds of stupidity to pass the exam, etc..

      Oh, and the fees! They'd have to pay for the licencing. And when did any fee ever go down? You'd be paying by the month to not have your computer taken away, or your internet connection, whichever.

      It would be a nightmare for any reasonable users who knows what they're doing. But it would stop abuses, advocates say? Yeah right. It would be administered by a combination of scoundrels and the computer-illiterate.

      Yeah, what a great scheme. It would be a mighty engine of censorship, vendor lock-in, political oppression, and other evils.

      Probably the only reason Microsoft isn't already pushing it is the evils are obvious enough for even the cyber-dummies to perceive.

    10. Re:required skills by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      and progammers who neglect to check for security holes could face license revocation

      Security is never perfect. Security holes are not completely preventable. If you had a scheme like this, most programmers would be cut off from the internet.

  13. With the most notable such incident by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    being one in which a Mr. George W. Bush hacked the Prime Minister's office and started using it to send spam worldwide

  14. Possibly because.. by rpozz · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Our retarded government is shoving broadband down everyone's throats. That means that tons and bloody tons of people are all getting broadband, without firewall software or proper instructions on how to use it.

    1. Re:Possibly because.. by DataCannibal · · Score: 1

      Come on, let's be fair to the government, they are helping to combat trojans, viruses and bots with their new ITSafe web site:

      http://www.itsafe.gov.uk/

      Health Warning: please hold your sides when looking at this web site or you may die laughing

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    2. Re:Possibly because.. by AddressException · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked, the purchase of broadband in the UK was still optional! How's that for retarded?

    3. Re:Possibly because.. by leereyno · · Score: 1

      Don't blame the government for providing tools that the recipients are unwilling to learn how to use correctly.

      If someone gave you a hammer and you proceeded to smash your fingers with it, do you blame the hammer, the person who gave it to you? Or do you take responsibility for your own actions?

      There are lots and lots of people here with broadband connections whose computers are hacked. I've heard plenty of people bitch about this, but I've yet to hear anyone complain about Best Buy for selling them the cable modem, or Cox for selling them the bandwidth. People complain about the crackers and about Windows being so insecure, both of which are valid complaints.

      Lee

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    4. Re:Possibly because.. by Cerv · · Score: 1

      So why are my taxes being used to provide Microsoft tech support?

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    5. Re:Possibly because.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it would OK to give a baby a bottle of cyanide pills to play with then?

    6. Re:Possibly because.. by rpozz · · Score: 1

      Don't blame the government for providing tools that the recipients are unwilling to learn how to use correctly.

      I know that this is hard to comprehend for most of us, but 'normal' people see their computer as an appliance, like a video recorder or washing machine. They are simply not aware that there is more to learn. All they see is advertising telling them they can get a faster internet connection for a cheap subscription fee.

      When they get the hardware, they get a modem with a colourful picture of a modem plugging into a phone line and a computer. Very rarely do they get a firewall, anti-virus or something similar.

      And they cannot even begin to understand the idea that their internet connection it being used to turn their computer into a zombie. They will however, slowly learn. Now there is a big push for that 'Broadband Britain' shite, you get an enormous amount of computers, all connected to the internet, ready to be used for DDoS or spamming.

    7. Re:Possibly because.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're really easy to track because of the "semi-permanent" nature of broadband leases for connections which last months at a time for the same exact IP address the entire time. Usually (unless you're using a router like a LinkSys or other types that allow forging a fake MAC address) the MAC address, imo the REAL identifier key, stays the same as well on your NIC since most if not all of them are on PROMS permanent, & not EEPROMS (electronically eraseable & reprogrammeable) mac (media access control) addresses on them. Tracking a dialup user, who gets a new IP each time he redials? A nightmare in logs vs. "semi-static" nature of broadband leased IP's... what do you think the "infamous they" want you on? Something that is faster for you (yes a bonus) yet something that is easy for them to track you with (broadband) vs. Dialup (a bitch to track)?? Think about it... big brother is ALWAYS watching & broadband just makes it simpler. Scott McNealy @ Sun Microsystems said it once & it's the truth: "THERE IS NO PRIVACY: GET USED TO IT!"

    8. Re:Possibly because.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > So it would [be] OK to give a baby a bottle of cyanide pills to play with then?

      Yes.

      Absolutely, definately, YES!

    9. Re:Possibly because.. by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      Our retarded government is shoving broadband down everyone's throats. That means that tons and bloody tons of people are all getting broadband, without firewall software or proper instructions on how to use it.

      I think the financial institutions have a good idea that can be applied well to internet connections: if you have a history of not paying off your debts then you get a bad credit history and you will only be able to get very restricted loans. This would work very well on internet connections. The ISPs can set up a central database of customers - those customers who show they repeatedly get compromised, etc (e.g. they have shown they don't have enough cluons to run a secure machine) can be banned from the "completely unrestricted" accounts on all ISPs. I'm not suggesting they are banned from the internet completely, but they could be pushed onto restricted accounts which only let them access the web through a proxy and have a large number of protocols filtered. Since the database would be a national thing, no ISP would lose out because the customer would get the same treatment from all ISPs. This would save the ISPs money in the long term by reducing the amount of bandwidth used by botnets that they have to pay for.

    10. Re:Possibly because.. by leereyno · · Score: 1

      No, but then I wouldn't trust you with such things either.

      Ask a stupid question, get a smart-ass response.

      Lee

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  15. Re:That's a lot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...considering that the US is a 3rd world country when it comes to internet connectivity, it's not _that_ surprising.

  16. Give us time... by Matilda+the+Hun · · Score: 1

    With just a little bit more effort, I'll bet that the US'll be able to edge them out. Just remember, kids: ActiveX == Good; Firewalls == Bad. And always give out your password to people who ask for it.

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  17. Re:That's a lot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Size is immaterial.

    Population is what's important. 60 million in the UK versus a bit less than 300 million in the US.

    That's a difference of a factor of 5, as opposed to a factor of 50 or more (probably a lot more) for landmass.

    Still a big difference, though.

  18. Bad Broadband by epiphani · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I personally think that the approach towards broadband was mostly done wrong. The large majority of users should never be fully visible online - those broadband routers should be doing NAT for all but a small minority of users.

    While we cant code or design around user stupidity (in the sense that if you give a user a button that says "DONT CLICK HERE, IT WILL INSTALL A SPYBOT" and they'll still click it), we certainly can design around stupid operating systems that have holes you could drive a transport truck through. NAT does this quite well - I reccomend a NAT router (WRT54G, specifically) for everyone I know - including myself. It saves massive amounts of problems.

    Part of the issue also lies with the fact that most "concious" users load up their PC with firewalls and zonealarm and so forth to the point where its slow because of all the crap on the system.

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    1. Re:Bad Broadband by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      NAT has absolutely nothing to do with it. NAT only protects you from incoming connections. Trojans acquired from the web or email go straight around it. The only thing NAT gives you is a false sense of security (not to mention breaking anything peer to peer, such as video conferencing, without some really ugly hacks).

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    2. Re:Bad Broadband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The WRT54G is actually the completely wrong model to recommend - it only works with an ethernet-enabled DSL modem, and *doesn't have its own modem built-in*. I think you're probably thinking of the WAG54G, which does have a modem built-in, as well as NAT & hardware firewall. Still, there are plenty of other DSL modem-routers out there that are as good as this one, and a fair bit cheaper.

    3. Re:Bad Broadband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And antibiotics only protect against bacteria. It's not a silver bullet but it helps.

    4. Re:Bad Broadband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While we cant code or design around user stupidity (in the sense that if you give a user a button that says "DONT CLICK HERE, IT WILL INSTALL A SPYBOT" and they'll still click it),

      I tried clicking but nothing happened. Where's the link, bub?

    5. Re:Bad Broadband by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      I personally think that the approach towards broadband was mostly done wrong. The large majority of users should never be fully visible online - those broadband routers should be doing NAT for all but a small minority of users.

      NAT is not a security thing. The vast majority of people only want to connect 1 PC to the internet anyway so are far better off with a stateful firewall instead of throwing NAT into the mix (which will come back to bite them in the arse as soon as they use more complex protocols to do stuff like VoIP).

      Part of the issue also lies with the fact that most "concious" users load up their PC with firewalls and zonealarm and so forth to the point where its slow because of all the crap on the system.

      Sorry, sticking a stateful firewall on the end of a 2Mb DSL connection should have a relatively negligable performance impact. Hell, my old 486 was quite happy doing stateful firewalling on a 10Mb connection.

    6. Re:Bad Broadband by recursiv · · Score: 1

      Hardware routers are effective. If you can show me where I can buy a works-out-of-the-box stateful firewall that I can configure through a browser, or similarly conveniently that I can buy easily for $50, then I will happily use a stateful firewall. Until then, I'm using a router. I don't want to have to go dumpster diving for old computers and fuck around trying to figure out make it work.

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  19. huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

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    1. Re:huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent down! -1 pwned.

    2. Re:huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disney.com? I was hoping for some boo... crap, this isn't fark :(

  20. dear geeks: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Please write a bot that does SETI@home or folding@home or something useful.

    All these bots are just doing email spamming anyways, and since it seems like thats the way its always going to be..... why not have clueless users' spare processing power go to something useful?

    Thanks.

    1. Re:dear geeks: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do people think SETI@Home is useful?

      Why not write a bot to look for unicorns, or straight iPod owners?

    2. Re:dear geeks: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      okay how about cure_cancer@home

      whatever

      point being it could be used for something far more useful than email spam.

    3. Re:dear geeks: by fbartho · · Score: 1

      I have actually seriously been curious about this... think about it... release a virus, have it build a botnet of X size, once net is of size X have it each bot copy stop scanning if it is considered part of a net, so network load drops sharply... the rest of the free bots each keep building new nets... everybot knows the location of a few central hub computers considered unlikely to be disconnected. Both because they belong to clueless user, and because they are on broadband, always on. Now there are clusters of botnets, that can easily be setup to request Virusscanner software updates (from a patched source) or OS updates from microsoft final result: possibly a 50,000 computer beowulf (albeit with broadband interconnects) or whatever size is deemed most efficient... Think about it... Scientists paying a subscription fee to a virus writing group, because they have the most parallel computer in the world, and have started selling access.

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  21. Too many Americans are still on modems... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...for us to really show up here. I'd be interested to see what percenetage of British households still modems vs. broadband. I'm sure it's far smaller than the ratio of American homes.

    1. Re:Too many Americans are still on modems... by farnz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      41% of British Internet connections are broadband or other always-on connections, and 4% use a mixture of access methods. Leaves 55% who are exclusively modem users.

    2. Re:Too many Americans are still on modems... by Eunuchswear · · Score: 2, Insightful

      4% use a mixture of access methods.


      Ah, at least 4% have one of those nasty "connect to the internet via a premium rate number" viruses.
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  22. Erm, not quite. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IMNSHO having a box on the net is nearly as sharp situation as driving a car...

    ...except that if anyone could drive a car without a license, then there would be far more dangerous drivers on the road (no tests to pass!) and more fatalities. WHen was the last time you heard of a child being killed because someone left ports open on his PC?

    1. Re:Erm, not quite. by lanc · · Score: 1


      OK, let's get this straight, it isn't life threatening, right.

      But it does endanger the fortune/property of other ones.

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  23. Symantec Security Studies... by Onimaru · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...say that you should buy more security products! Wow, it's almost like the MS studies that say linux is more expensive and the environmental studies by the meat industry that say millions of gallons of pig shit isn't harmful to the environment so you might as well just spray it into the air.

    This is the second one in as many days, too. Come on, could we get a real story, not one spun from the gossamer threads of greed and conflict of interest?

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    1. Re:Symantec Security Studies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Take a read of a few of the non-sponsored studies out there. Oh that's right, this is /. where emotions govern what we say/do, not logic. The Forrester, Yankee Group, and AMR Research studies (among several others) all non-sponsored, all concluded that Linux will cost corporations more, plain and simple (training, re-training, maintenance and support contracts)... You can't blame Balmer for jumping on those conclusions, it only makes good business sense.

      And since you brought shit into the /. discussion, I'm pretty sure human waste is much more of a problem than pig. Not to mention all the other livestock and domesticated animals.

      "get real"?

      I think you should visit another website or pick up a good book if you're looking for deep, philosophical discussions with intelligent, strong, persuasive arguments on different sides of contemporary issues. And you know what, you may have to pick up a FEW different books to get a balanced perspective.

  24. Assign blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Symantec blames a sudden uptake of residential broadband connections without the awareness of the required security measures."

    Really? I'd blame it on too many people using insecure shitty software to access the internet, or worse, not knowing what the hell they're doing.

    Although no doubt the drive towards "Broadband Britian" hasn't helped this. What the hell does getting everyone connected to the Internet help to achieve anyway? Oh, I forgot, phrases such as "Digital Divide" and "Broadband Britian" make a good soundbite whilst distracting people from the real problems.

  25. wireless is the savior by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 1
    Basically they should be made compulsary for all broadband connections. It is the plethora of cheap USB ADSL modems that are being offered free with connections that it causing the problem.

    And thankfully more people are going to wireless, which obviously necessitates a harware router, which should (for the most part) solve the problem. Hopefully.

    1. Re:wireless is the savior by mr_z_beeblebrox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And thankfully more people are going to wireless

      Yes, thankfully they are going to wireless. Thank the lords of Kobol, they will doubtless put great effort into security even though they never paid more than lip service while wired. For example, ask your neighbor how many minutes he had a wireless connection before he changed the default ssid and admin password. Probably less than 2. Probably also set it up to use MAC address lists...These things are as hardened as you can make the "average" access-point" and I doubt that 5% of the access points have had this done. (I know that the above does not make it secure, but it would keep out a good chunk of trouble)

    2. Re:wireless is the savior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kobol? Isn't that the language preferred by small hairy subterranian humanoids?

    3. Re:wireless is the savior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're thinking of Kobold.

    4. Re:wireless is the savior by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1
      For example, ask your neighbor how many minutes he had a wireless connection before he changed the default ssid and admin password.

      It's been at least a month for my neighbor (that I know about) and still counting. The default settings for his USR8054 are still on display.

    5. Re:wireless is the savior by mr_z_beeblebrox · · Score: 1

      It's been at least a month for my neighbor

      Yay him!!! Oh, and yay you... isn't warlounging in your house fun? My neighbor has default settings to.

  26. And in other news... by Ibanez · · Score: 1

    Reports show sales of Symantec's popular Anti-virus packages in the UK lagging behind sales in the US, and sales of the Macintosh version lagging behind everywhere.

    Blake

  27. Canada? by kbahey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    US (24.6%) ... Canada (4.9%)

    This is really problematic, given that Canada only has about one tenth of the US population. Does this mean that if we had as many people as the USA, 49% would be hacked?

    Or is it just because we have more broadband per capita than in the US?

    1. Re:Canada? by KidHash · · Score: 1

      No, it's saying that of all the worlds bots, 4.9% are located in Canada
      It's not saying thast 4.9% of Canadian computers have bots installed on them

    2. Re:Canada? by Ron+Harwood · · Score: 1

      While Canada has 10% of the population of the states there is a greater availabilty of broadband connectivity.

      So it's an apples and oranges comparrison to try and directly extrapolate the numbers... a better comparrison (from what I've been told) is to compare Canada to California.

    3. Re:Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your about right. According to the numbers I can dig up, Canada in 2002 had about 2.8 million households on broadband, and California had about 2.6 million. The population comparisons are also close, with California having about 4 million more residents (31 and change for Canada, and 35 and change for California).

    4. Re:Canada? by freeweed · · Score: 1

      Far more broadband. Let's face it, 90-some % of Canada's population is concentrated in what, a dozen major urban areas? Far easier to roll out broadband to everyone in a situation like that.

      Heck, I had broadband in 1998. 7 years later, many Americans in major cities still don't have access to it (or so I keep seeing posts on Slashdot claiming).

      Also, home computer ownership here is (last I checked) significantly higher overall than the US.

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    5. Re:Canada? by whitehatlurker · · Score: 1
      Yeah, that was my first thought too - we must be too sloppy on our security.

      There are studies on connectivity rates (Korea is still the most wired country last I read) which could be incorporated with this to get a better (bots)/(wired machine) ratio that might be usefull.

      And no, I'm not going to register just to see one report. If Symantec has already done this comparison, why aren't those numbers being reported?

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  28. ISPs could help. by kdougherty · · Score: 0

    ISPs should help their clients with securing their networks by selling routers or firewalls to their customers. That's like selling a gun to someone that doesn't know how to operate the safety trigger...

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  29. Speaking as a non-hacked Brit by CdBee · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The situation really is bad..
    In the last year 512Kbs ADSL Broadband has tumbled in price to little more expensive than unmetered dial-up, and a lot of clueless types bought in

    Typical British ISPs provide a USB modem for ADSL or an Ethernet/USB Cable modem, and a driver/configurator disk. No consumer ISP provides a NAT router by default (its a costly option, and usually a crappy rebranded far-eastern product that crashes all the time).

    Very few of them even provide a software firewall. AOL is a notable exception (about time they did something right) providing a firewall in their standard AOL Broadband software.

    I spend a lot of my free time installing Zonealarm/Sygate Personal for clueless people wondering why their brand new XP box and brand new ADSL connection keep crashing....

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    1. Re:Speaking as a non-hacked Brit by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Typical British ISPs provide a USB modem for ADSL or an Ethernet/USB Cable modem, and a driver/configurator disk. No consumer ISP provides a NAT router by default (its a costly option, and usually a crappy rebranded far-eastern product that crashes all the time).

      I got a fairly decent NAT router with my ADSL account with a small UK ISP. They also block a variety of Windows-worm-attracting ports by default - you have to ask to get them unblocked, and then they'll run a quick port-scan on your system to make sure you're not a sitting duck.

      I've not actually needed any ports unblocking, and I'd class myself as a fairly advanced user. So why can't the big-name ISPs do this as well? Okay, it's not going to stop browser malware, email trojans and the like, but it'll definitely help against the nastier, faster-spreading worms...

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    2. Re:Speaking as a non-hacked Brit by damyata · · Score: 1

      E7even gave me a free Modem router and there was no option for a non-NATed USB one as far as I remember. It's got a USB port, but that yields a similarly NATed connection. Granted, it is a 'safecom' (basically unbranded!) one but I find it only seems to fail about once a month or so.

      It's quite a responsible move by them IMHO whether it was intended or not. It could also benefit them in terms of not getting lots of external abuse complaints to deal with, no?

    3. Re:Speaking as a non-hacked Brit by CdBee · · Score: 1

      That's good. Well good in theory. A Safecom's a Conexant router, same as the Origo ASR-series hawked by the optimistic to the gullible on eBay...

      A good router shouldn't crash - ever. Crashy routers tend to drive people back to modems. (I'm an admin at Shameless plug - portforward.com, we see a lot of these!)

      I'm glad one ISP at least is shipping a router, but I'd prefer it if they got some quality (Linksys or US Robotics) gear....

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    4. Re:Speaking as a non-hacked Brit by HazE_nMe · · Score: 1

      COX HSI here in the States blocks many ports by default. The problem is that we don't have the option to have them unblock any ports. I would like to be able to have all ports open on the connection I pay for (except 80 of course for residential).

    5. Re:Speaking as a non-hacked Brit by m50d · · Score: 1

      You shouldn't need it. NAT isn't secure, and any reasonable default setup will be safe anyway. I am *very* glad I don't have blocked ports with my connection, being able to ftp home has saved me on more than one occasion.

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    6. Re:Speaking as a non-hacked Brit by CdBee · · Score: 1

      I beg to differ. WAN access to any service should be blocked unless specifically required.

      XP was judged to have a "reasonably secure" default setup when it was released and now look at it. The only security that counts is a secure gateway which blocks all unsolicited traffic. That can't be guaranteed with a software firewall.

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    7. Re:Speaking as a non-hacked Brit by emjoi_gently · · Score: 1

      Totally agree with this.
      ALL ISPs should ruthlessly firewall off their clients. If you want to run a server of any type, you should have at least the smarts to negotiate your ISPs web site and unblock the right port numbers.

      Businesses only allow thru the ports they need. Individuals should have the same restriction/protection. It is too much to expect the average joe out there to understand the details of computer security, though purists out there would say "then they shouldnt be allowed near the Internet!". But the Internet isn't supposed to be an elitist medium anymore.

  30. Perhaps down to the ISP? by Nexboy · · Score: 1

    Perhaps it's simply because the US ISP's are better funded and more able to apply expensive security solutions...?

    1. Re:Perhaps down to the ISP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AOL is in the UK..

  31. Hacky by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Most hacked" is not the English translation of "largest percentage hacked". "Most hacked" would refer to the largest quantity hacked. The proper English translation of that statistic is "most hacky" - even if I did just make up "hacky".

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    1. Re:Hacky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hacky is a perfectly cromulent word...

    2. Re:Hacky by Razzberry28 · · Score: 1

      What about "most hackable"?

    3. Re:Hacky by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      By inference only - but not necessarily. "Hackable" refers to the vulnerability to hacking, not to the state of being hacked.

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    4. Re:Hacky by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Or maybe "most completely hacked" (leaving aside the inappropriate use of "hacked" when the word is "cracked").

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    5. Re:Hacky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, hacky is a word in the Geordie dialect of North-East England, meaning 'dirty', covered in mud, etc.
      So it's quite a good analogy for covered in malware.

    6. Re:Hacky by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Hacky is a word in the Giba subdialect of hippie NYC. It means "a crudely inadequate work" - the work of a hack (as in "hack writer"). With the media using "hack" for "crack", and the aptness of "hacky" to describe malware, we're going to have to find a new word to mean "make a system do something for which it was not designed".

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  32. That explains it by SFA_AOK · · Score: 1

    That explains why I get asked "why's my PC running so slow?" so much!

  33. Judge me by my size do you? by Gumph · · Score: 1

    and well you should not!
    for my ally is the microsloth and it is a powerful ally
    (for allowing remote exploits, botnets and other general nastiness)!

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  34. Blimey by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Funny

    I blame the abundance of Spam from the UK squarely on Monty Python.

    Now they want to bring "Spam A Lot" to the US? I don't think so, Nigel.

    Time to dump some tea into the harbour.

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    1. Re:Blimey by R005G · · Score: 1

      For the Monty Python fans who may not be aware, Spam A Lot, the musical, is already in the US. It has already made a tour through Chicago and is, I believe, currently showing in New York. I recommend it.

  35. Just thought by cca93014 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A lot of ADSL connections in the UK now come with bandwidth limits, and charges per GB over the standard monthly utilisation. This is a relatively new concept in retail broadband in the UK (In Oz it is almost the standard).

    Anyway, it's sort of weird that the ISPs now actually have a vested interest in their users contracting malware; they make more money out of it in over-charges...

    1. Re:Just thought by flumps · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is very insightful...

      However most ISPs in the UK provide minimal 512Kbps connections for a basic package without restriction and 1Mb connection restrictions they do have run into the GB range for download/uploads per month.

      You still have a good point tho, and its interesting most ISPs do not provide firewall applications/hardware on basic packages like this. The basic user could find he is disconnected without notice for bandwidth overuse with no idea that malware might be the root cause....

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    2. Re:Just thought by rmccann · · Score: 1

      "However most ISPs in the UK provide minimal 512Kbps connections for a basic package without restriction and 1Mb connection restrictions they do have run into the GB range for download/uploads per month." I live in Ireland, and 512 Kbps is the standard. I have a 8 GB download monthly cap. This is one of the better deals. There are some companies that do better deals but the national infrstructure isn't there to provide that service to many people. Half the country can't get broadband as it.

    3. Re:Just thought by flumps · · Score: 1

      yes i cannot get 1Mb (16GB cap) in the UK (hastings) because my "phone line doesnt support it". know how you feel. m

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    4. Re:Just thought by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1


      However most ISPs in the UK provide minimal 512Kbps connections for a basic package without restriction and 1Mb connection restrictions they do have run into the GB range for download/uploads per month.


      That's changing *very* fast... it's not 'most' any more. Within a month or two such connections will have hard to find.

      BT Wholesale have changed their charging model so that a 2MB line costs the same as a 512KB line, but the ISP pays for the amount of data transferred. It now doesn't make sense to sell a 512KB line - it makes more sense to sell a 2MB line with limits.

      I'm not too bothered my limit is 50GB which is pretty hard to reach on an average month.

    5. Re:Just thought by rmccann · · Score: 1

      The state owned phone company was privatised a few years ago. Comreg was set up to regulate the phone industry. According to EU law they had to set a minimum Functional Internet Access bandwidth, ie a company providing phone lines had to make sure their lines could get this bandwidth or better. They set it to 0 kbps.

  36. UK consumers by ScouseMouse · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Speaking as a UK consumer, it doesnt surprise me. Most of the people i deal with dont bother with a virus checker until they start having problems, and most viruses these days seem to be designed for creating botnets so try to not to hog resources, crash the computer or use too much bandwidth. If only other windows programs were so well designed :-) When I first got broadband (About 2 years ago?) , the ISP i use, (Pipex) offered a free virus checker and gave instructions on how to run it. They dont any more. Nor do anyone else. I personally think that no-one who manages their own computer and *doesnt* know when their virus checker was last updated shouldnt be allowed near the internet.

    1. Re:UK consumers by tomcio.s · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I don't know when my virus checker was last updated... Wait, as a matter of fact, I don't even run one. Yet, I am 100% positive that my presence on the net is not disturbing (save for ocassional download fests) just as I am 100% sure I am virus & malware free.

      Quit equating computers with Windows.

    2. Re:UK consumers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When 95% of desktop PCs are running Windows, yeah, you can pretty much equate computers with Windows.

    3. Re:UK consumers by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

      Why?.
      Virus Checkers are NOT necesary. Virus Checkers exists because there are flaws in the Operating System most people uses, and in the poeple itself, that lets viruses in.
      I Use GNU/Linux, and i don't install shit.
      The Solution is simple. Install Operating Systems that work, and teach people. Don't use ugly patches like viruse checkers.

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    4. Re:UK consumers by prandal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Most of the virus infections I've dealt with on friends' and acquaintances' Windows PCs have occured on boxes running (yes, you've guessed it) Norton Antivirus. I routinely uninstall Norton and replace it with Avast! Personal Edition.

      Some antivirus vendors have yet to catch on to the idea that virus patterns need updating on a daily or more frequent basis. So along comes a new Bagle variant, which is yet to be detected by Norton, and the first thing it does is kill Norton's on-access scanner.

    5. Re:UK consumers by ScouseMouse · · Score: 1
      Quit equating computers with Windows.

      1: Technically you do know when your virus checker was updated.
      2: The majority of end users do user microcr@p windows.
      so 3: In most end-user cases, you *can* equate computers with Windows.

      There are exceptions, but not enough to make a difference as yet.

      Were dealing with the real world here unfortunately, and it sucks.
    6. Re:UK consumers by ScouseMouse · · Score: 1

      While the big hardware companies persist in forcing micro$haft Windows down everyones throats, this isnt a very practical solution.

      Most users dont tinker with their operating systems for the same reason most users dont tinker with the inside of the TV sets. They dont understand whats under the hood, and they are afraid of damaging it.

      In most end-user cases, you *can* equate computers with Windows.

      There are exceptions, but not enough to make a difference as yet.
      Were dealing with the real world here unfortunately, and it sucks.
      Strangely enough, i *do* run debian, (Except for the occasional game of MW4) however, i am in a minority.
      Yes, the best solution is for everyone to use less hackable systems/Microsoft to actually fix their OS.
      However as either of these things are unlikely to happen any time soon, Virus checkers and such like are an easy solution to deal with the problem now.

    7. Re:UK consumers by ScouseMouse · · Score: 1

      Wierd, personally havent had much of a problem with Norton.

      You can set it up to automatically download updates as they become available.

      Of course, as my Windows box doesnt get a great deal of use these days, and mostly offline/hardware firewalled use even then, i'm probably not a greatly descerning user of Windows VC's any more.

    8. Re:UK consumers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      As a UK citizen I think this is RUBBISH. I have grandma talking about computers, and bringing up buzzwords about firewalls and anti-virus, try have a conversation with someone about your computer and it won't be long before they ask what firewall or anti-virus you use, it seems to me that the general population is getting very well educated very quickly (and I'm not sure of the source).

    9. Re:UK consumers by ScouseMouse · · Score: 1

      You obviously have a very different set of experiences than I do.

      Even trying to get my parents to install a virus checker was an uphill struggle even though my mum used to program PDP8's before she got married and is definately not non-techie.
      Then you get the idiot gamer types like my brother who dont bother turning it on because they think it slows Quake 3 down.

      I have come across people who's response to a computer so chocked full of spyware and viruses that it gets really slow is to BUY A NEW ONE.

      These people far outnumber the people who have asked me what virus checker and/or firewall i use. I suspect thats true in the case of most people.

    10. Re:UK consumers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I usually uninstall Norton/SAV/AVG/Avast/NOD32/McAfee/... and install Kaspersky instead, and it ALWAYS finds more (and no, they're not false positives). It's most definately the best.

  37. More than just uneducated users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why Canada ranks so low is a mystery to me. Canadians have a reasonable uptake of broadband and they are no smarter than Americans. I wonder if this has as much to do with the regulatory environment and the ISPs as anything else. The two biggies are Sympatico (Bell) and Rogers (cable tv). Does the equipment they supply act like a fire wall or something? Are they actively doing something to prevent infection?

  38. Yeah, whatever.... by eomnimedia · · Score: 1

    Considering Symantec's hack job at statistics (see this earlier article), I hold these numbers in doubt. Are the numbers fluffed-up by Symantec's marketing/execs to increase market share? (It's a serious question -- I'm not trying to get modded as a troll.)

  39. So is... by ArsonSmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Someone at Symantic retiring and they are trying to pump up the stock?

    Recent Symantic news:
    OSX Doom and gloom, Symantic will save you.

    Fire Fox doom and gloom Symantic will save you.

    Now this

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    1. Re:So is... by Winterblink · · Score: 1

      I was going to say something about that. :) Don't know what it is about them recently, but the shit-flinging sure has been going on in full force. Wonder what they're up to...

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  40. d'oh, bad rounding by Ayaress · · Score: 1

    Five times as many, not six. Otherwise the point stands. (I assume, of course, the statistics are accurate)

    1. Re:d'oh, bad rounding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume, of course, the statistics are accurate.

      But they can't be! Remember, the US figures have been reduced drastically after 99% of the population were either killed by terrorists or sent to die in Iraq, while the UK is being overrun by bogus asylum seekers. So... *counts on fingers*... there are now 18,327 times as many people in the UK as there are in the entire rest of the world put together, while the USA is inhabited only by you and Dubya.

    2. Re:d'oh, bad rounding by JohnTheFisherman · · Score: 1

      AHA! See the problem that wpiman pointed out? We can't even tell for sure if the UK has 4x or 5x as many bots as the US!

  41. Prevalence of internet cafes to blame by Look+KG486 · · Score: 0
    p-p-p-powerbook!

    An entertaining, revealing read to say the least. I believe the prevalence of internet cafes are to blame. Affords greater anonymity as opposed to doing this from a business or home residence.

    As you can discern from my nickname, I like bikes. I often peruse the listings on eBay to see what's out there (I only have two bikes...so far!). There's no shortage of 1-day and 3-day listings that appear to originate from London. They're pure scam listings for very high-end bikes like Pinarello Dogmas, Colnago C-40s and C-50s, and Trek Madones.

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  42. Re:No 2nd amendment by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
    Nah, we just wait until they've hacked into our machines, then unplug the modem and trap them.

    (With apologies to bash.org.)

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  43. UK most hacked country... by Slashcrap · · Score: 1

    Yeah, sorry about that. I'm trying to find other things to do with my time you know, to distract myself..Ooh! Windows box!

  44. Obligatory British Reference by Spencerian · · Score: 1

    This gives the curse of bugger! a whole new set of meanings, none of them pleasant to the user or their computer...

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    1. Re:Obligatory British Reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've lived here for 23 years and never heard such a reference..

  45. It's the modems! by GuerillaRadio · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most of the big ISPs in the UK supply these horrible usb modems for their ADSL service, leaving the only protection being the Windows firewall. I've had to sort out several PCs from friends and family that were brand new, but shipped with XP SP1 and pwned within minutes of plugging these modems in. Contrast this to when I lived in Holland - adsl routers with NAT always supplied or recommended.

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  46. Perfect market for Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if Steve Jobs addressed this on his last trip to the UK? Similar details and statisitcs were mentioned at MacWorld but I do not remember the details. Apple really should start the PR machine at this level and show the ease of use and security of OSX so everyone could see the benefits of a well designed system. I love my Mini and the integration with the software. Not being a remote zombie is the only thing I've found that does not just work with Apple!

    1. Re:Perfect market for Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh Get real!

      As soon as OSX gets sigificant market share the black hats will follow.

      See...

      http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/22/0 05 5237&tid=172&tid=3

    2. Re:Perfect market for Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt you have ever even used a Mac.. It has nothing to do with market share. It just works. As more people start using Apple products, the secuirty level will increase as well. There is no way Apple would release a product without some type of proactive testing. Maybe you are used to that in the MS world.

  47. Re:No 2nd amendment by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

    Also, if you hit someone with a cricket bat it tends to break where the handle attaches to the body. A baseball bat is much better for beating people to death.

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  48. Re:dear ac: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No thank you.

    I prefer living in my multi-million house living off of spam advertisements. Besides, who would want to SETI?

    Your welcome.

  49. voting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe the votes were counted on special machines!

    Or maybe they just counted all the UK votes and then stopped counting everything else leaving a rather large pile of US 'uncounted' votes...

    oh, that was last years non story!

  50. Maybe due to huge uptake in broadband in UK by iBod · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I recently read that over 40% of UK Internet connections were now broadband, and most of these became active within the last year.

    I think the broadband providers should offer a router with a suitable built-in hardware firewall as a standard part of the package (or failing that insist on you having an 'approved' router/modem with then necessary smarts, in the service contract).

    Unfortunately most of the domestic packages are still 'wires only'.

  51. Holy fucking shit I just noticed something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Slashdot just links news articles on their. Sure, there is the occasional interview, but all they do is link other places on the front page and add in a little blurb to make it seem like work. Now, they have no doubt hundreds of corporate sponsers fueling the decadent Ann Arbor lifestyle of the editors. It's fucking genius, all I have to do now is find a subculture to target and make sure they grow into my own little penguin jiihad.

    I'm gonna be rich!

    1. Re:Holy fucking shit I just noticed something by spitzak · · Score: 1

      Hurry up before they patent the business model!

  52. Yay by cheezemonkhai · · Score: 1

    Well looks like i just found the idea time to set my startup company running.

    From my experience the main problem is with Home users who don't give a toss, and with SME's who can't afford a full time IT guy so only call people in when they notice somethign is wrong.

    That leave a lot of room for error.

  53. Not surverying, Log File analasys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not surverying, Log File analasys

  54. embrace it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lots of employment to fix this stuff! why do you think i keep writing viruses and adware?

  55. Re:No 2nd amendment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the US we can shoot the hackers, but in the UK they have to club them to death which takes an inordinate effort.

    But clubbing them to death is so much more satisfying (and stress relieving).

  56. Good thing by Craig+Ringer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, NAT might be a good thing in that it's a simple "security" step that _currently_ helps protect users against _some_ threats.

    Alas, it does really break the way the 'net works - hosting your own services can be a screaming nightmare over NAT. With static IP addresses, always-on 'net connections, and things like MacOS/X's Apache-based "personal web sharing", that's no longer just the preserve of the hard-core geek.

    I'm with the parent poster to your post in most regards. I'm also still hopeful that we'll see IPv6 start to take the worst of the weight off soon (now that 6to4 permits it to be adopted in cells anywhere on the 'net).

    1. Re:Good thing by TobascoKid · · Score: 1

      I don't think that how NAT changes the way the 'net works (I wouldn't go so far as to call it breaks) is going to be that big a deal for most consumers and it's probably a good thing from an ISP perspective.

      Most home users aren't going to be running services and, unless they know what they're doing, probably shouldn't - every exposed service is another line of possible attack and home users generally don't follow the best practices of systems administration. NAT/Router/Firewall boxes (like the Linksys WRT54G) are resonably easy to set up for the few services that a consumer may wish to use.

      From the ISP standpoint - again, it's probably a good thing. Having every machine on thier customers home networks as full internet peers would probably increase the amount of support calls, plus it would encourage inbound bandwidth usage. Also, piss poorly administered home servers could lead to the ISP getting blacklisted - ie if 40% of some networks computers are compromiised, it's probably worth it to not accept any email from any computer on that network.

      In some ways NAT protects the internet from the home users.

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      At some point, somewhere, the entire internet will be found to be illegal.
    2. Re:Good thing by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      I don't think that how NAT changes the way the 'net works (I wouldn't go so far as to call it breaks) is going to be that big a deal for most consumers and it's probably a good thing from an ISP perspective.

      If the normal customers are doing simple stuff like surfing the web then NAT won't have much impact on them. However, more and more people are doing more complicated things and NAT can be a headache for stuff like VoIP.

      Unless you actually need to connect more than 1 machine to the internet you're far better off using a stateful firewall instead of NAT.

    3. Re:Good thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you selling stateful firewalls or something?

      VoIP boxes usually sit directly on your cable or dsl modem, and then have a line out that you connect the rest of your home network into, so if you install a NAT router after that, it has no effect on the VoIP box.

      Everyone here is bashing NAT - but if anyone powers up a brand new windows PC and doesn't put it behind NAT, you're probably owned in what, 20 minutes? NAT stops incoming connections. It doesn't stop spyware, which can take over your computer, but for that you get something like spyware blaster, firefox, linux, etc..

      But as long as there is some service running on your computer, there's probably a security hole in it, and short of figuring out how to shut all that off, NAT is your best bet to protect yourself, and it's a LOT easier. Plus, you can share your internet connection with multiple computers, like the 2 laptops and 1 desktop, plus wireless PDA in my house.

  57. WLAN security by chman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The uptake of broadband and WiFi has been immense over the past 6 or so months. Where before I had no problems with WLAN coverage as mine was the only one on the street, now there's one eminating from every home. Just in the few surrounding roads there are dozens of wireless networks in place, and hardly any have even changed the SSID, let alone disabled broadcasting of it. Only a handful use any form of actual security, such as WEP.
    Even the people that should know better, such as my neighbour that claims to be an IT professional (if you're reading this, no. 14, TURN ON WEP AND CHANGE THE DAMN SSID!) have left their connections wide open.

    This isn't just a security issue though. It becomes a real annoyance when my PDA wants to connect to any of the unsecure networks within range, and won't even detect my own. Consumer WAPs should have SSID broadcasting off by default - it's only necessary for public access points - and consumers need to be made aware that these devices should not just be plugged in and used without putting in place decent security measures. The initial setup wizards should leave them with a far more secure network, because the reduction in performance from using WEP is nothing compared to having me use your ADSL for bittorrent downloads.

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  58. Re:Brits are not so smart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just show that your average brit is snobbish fool.

    If one wished to insult the intelligence of those of another country, surely one would strive to construct a grammatically correct sentence?

    Lord Daftwager, I'd wager that I could transform this Anonymous Coward into a proper English speaking lady in time for the garden party. What do you say, old chap?

  59. Well.... by Craig+Ringer · · Score: 2, Informative
    Most of your points I agree with, especially re NAT being harmful to the 'net. I think ISPs rather like NAT for exactly that reason - it makes NAT'd users "good little Internet consumers" whose ability to fully participate as a provider and a "consumer" on the 'net is somewhat crippled.

    I don't really agree re weak typing, though. It's not really weak typing that's at issue, it's that memory management is still done "by hand". Most of the nasty overflows stem from the fact that C lets you copy a 200 char long buffer into (and over the end of) a char[20]. There are other related issues, but I don't think weak typing is one of them. Weak typing is dumb, yes, but I think manual memory management is the real culprit.

    Also, while ISPs can't track down all the compromised machines, some simple steps can massively reduce the damage:
    • Block port 25 by default, except to their SMTP servers. (Users should still be permitted to open it).
    • Block common RPC ports, incoming AND outgoing, by default. This means SMB/CIFS, portmap, etc.
    • Impose network blocks on ports used by major worm outbreaks as they appear, again giving the user the option to disable the block.



      • My ISP does all of this, and more. It's really only the responsible thing to do, and I don't expect it costs them a large amount of time. The biggest cost is probably slightly smarter and more powerful routers.

    1. Re:Well.... by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      Also, while ISPs can't track down all the compromised machines, some simple steps can massively reduce the damage

      Blocking stuff by default is a Good Thing so long as the user can remove the blocks easilly (the IETF has made similar recommendations). Unfortunately I think that once a number of ISPs start implementing these default blocks, the rest will follow with a large proportion providing no way of removing the blocking (or maybe an extra pay-for service). Unfortunately I have no faith in the majority of ISPs (especially the larger ones like NTL and BT) having the knowledge or sense to do the Right Thing.

      Oh, and my views on NAT are that unless you actually need it to connect multiple machines to the internet it's a headache and should not be regarded as a security thing.

    2. Re:Well.... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1
      I don't really agree re weak typing, though. It's not really weak typing that's at issue, it's that memory management is still done "by hand". Most of the nasty overflows stem from the fact that C lets you copy a 200 char long buffer into (and over the end of) a char[20].

      At the risk of being picky, that basically is a type system error. Manual memory management can be responsible for resource leaks when you forget to free dynamically allocated memory, for example. However, most of the killers are when you can get data into places it shouldn't be, particularly by messing with the values of pointers or by over-running buffers, and this sort of vulnerability is introduced by using an insufficiently powerful (or overly flexible, depending on your point of view) type system.

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  60. Re:No 2nd amendment by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 1

    I think you'll find that the United Kingdom is far more civilised than you describe. We just politely ask them to die.

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  61. Blame the Broadband Providers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    For aggressively marketing broadband services to the completely clueless masses. These companies don't give a crap that these new accounts end up hurting people's computers and the Internet as a whole, so long as the $$$$$$$$ keeps rolling in.

  62. Why Lawrence Summer Had To Die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As the nation mourns the president of America's most beloved college, we must now understand why Lawrence Summers had to die. Was he killed in a civil manner? No, of course not. I would have preferred that Mr. Summers was poisoned as opposed to being crucified in one of the cafeteria's while rabid feminist zealots lobbed rotting food at him. No man deserves to that die, but he had to die so he might as well get it over with. Summers represented a new era of conservativism in which ideas could be discussed freely without fear of being put in a Soviet show trial. Summers was, if I might be so audacious to say so, the next Voltaire. The liberals couldn't handle him and to be frank I doubt America was ready for Lawrence Summers. Was he right? Yes, yes he was. Were the zealots in the ostentatious women's studies department wrong? Yes, of course they were wrong. Women's studies is overflowing with pretentious, sexist batshit loonies. But if Lawrence Summers was allowed to spread his message of freedom of speech and new ideas, America may very well have been engulfed in the bloodiest war of all time. So, Lawrence, maybe in a couple of hundred years once the the current liberalism is out of vogue.

    God bless you, Lawrence Summers, may your ideas live to fight another day.

  63. China must do better! by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    China Population = 1,246,871,951 with 7.8% of BN
    US Population = 272,639,608 with 24.6% of BN
    UK Population = 59,113,439 with 25.2% of BN
    Spain Population = 39,167,744 with 3.8% of BN
    Canada Population = 31,006,347 with 4.9% of BN
    World Population = 5,995,544,836 with 100% of BN

    Per Capita Botnets = PCB

    So if we take china as the baseline population...
    Canada is about 40.2 times as small so 40.2 times 4.9% = 197% So if Canada was as large as China we would be pumping out like 197% of all the botnets in the world...

    This statistically clearly shows that China is not pulling its weight as far as botnet creation is concerned. They should hike up their socks (or whatever) and start producing some botnets. Maybe they could start trying to use pirated versions of MS, I hear that works well...

    Feel free to check my calculations or produce your own, I am 94.3% sure that it is valid (3 times out of 20)!

    Out.
    DarthVain

    1. Re:China must do better! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would like to see it as it compares to broadband connections in each country.

      This frustrates me to no end. I'm Canadian. I try to take care of my parents' computer and net connection, so I went and installed a router, plus got them spybot S&D, ad-aware and spyware blaster, and tried to get them to use it. I'm still trying to figure a way to sneak firefox onto their computer.

      But, my sister just went and put XP home on the computer, and then the internet wouldn't work. It just happened to co-incide with a problem on the ISP end, we found out, but while she was on the phone with their tech support (they have a Rogers cable modem), he was telling her, "oh you have a router - get rid of that, it could be causing problems", and "that spybot search and destroy causes lots of problems, get rid of it."

      So, of course it was none of those things, and the guy should have been smart enough to realize that the modem wasn't connecting to their network, but now I'm faced with my parents telling me that all this stuff I did to their computer is potentially harming them, because the freakin' idiot on the tech support line told them so. Apparently the fact that I have a degree in computer engineering means absolutely freakin' nothing to them. The guy on the phone with a degree out of a cracker jack box must be right.

      Sheesh! I give up!

  64. Lack of awareness by spannah · · Score: 1

    "Symantec blames a sudden uptake of residential broadband connections without the awareness of the required security measures"

    No only in the UK but everywere - who is at fault at the lack of awereness here?
    Could it be the ISP and computer vendours promising all the good things but failing to provide proper information about computer/online security?

    While it could be argued that average user should inform themselves about what they are getting into, ISP and computer vendours are not informing customers about potential risks right from the begining, like when a new computer is bought, or when they sign-up for an internet connection.

    Having a web page buried deep within the web site doesn't really help much, because by the time the average user gets there their computer is already infected.

  65. Guinness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem with Guinness in this country is that by the time it gets here it usually has a very bitter taste that I don't detect nearly as much in fresh kegs.

    That said I think some of its biggest fans in the US drink it mainly for its alternative and "Look at how dark my beer is!" image.

    1. Re:Guinness by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      No, it tatstes like shit everywhere. London, Dublin, New York, doesn't matter - Guinnes is truly disgusting worldwide.

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  66. Canada only at 4.9%? by pg110404 · · Score: 1

    I tried so hard... I really tried.

    I set up a honey pot and got it up to 55 different spywares on it. It should be noted that Rogers up here has the usual suspect ports blocked halfway up stream which means an unpatched XP box won't get hit right away with things like MSBlaster, etc.

    This might at least partially explain why we got such a low score.

    I want to see 5 lights. I really do want to see 5 lights.

  67. But... by rpjs · · Score: 1

    Most food in the UK does suck...

    1. Re:But... by salvorHardin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, it's all McDonalds, Burger King and Dominoes these days..

  68. Hah! by Aldric · · Score: 1

    Translation: Symantec thinks they should be selling more software in the UK and US. I'll believe it when I see an analysis done by someone with less of an interest in selling substandard security software.

  69. check out Symantec's stock performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    can we say desperate yet ?

    good news for the short traders though :)

  70. how do you know? by blackest_k · · Score: 1

    ok folks can you answer me this one in all seriousness how do you know
    when your pc has been owned.

    Is there a site which will scan for probems originating from your Pc.
    something simple that anyone could run and be able to say yes there is
    a problem heres how to fix it?

    I don't think anyone wants their pc to be used as a spam bot dos bot
    so for all the guys who know how to stop this problem, educate and inform
    please.

    1. Re:how do you know? by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?date=2004-10-11

      a few hints to identify whats going on in a particular system.

    2. Re:how do you know? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use Shields UP at grc.com At least you'll know if your firewall is up to scratch

  71. I Know Why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's because all the smart people left for America and Australia a long time ago.

    Wanna see a shallow gene pool? Visit East Anglia.

    Makes your average Alabamanian look like Einstein.

  72. "required security measures" by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Marketing speak translates into " Buy our products "..

    Its all a scam. We shouldn't need to have "security measures".. Catch the bastards that are causing the problem and put them in jail. Problem solved.

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  73. Canada by phorm · · Score: 1

    As a Canadian, I'm be surprised and happy to see how long our stats are for being "botted." We have a *lot* of covereage with broadband service, even in small towns, so a large number of people are now online /w high-speed.

    Given that though, I also know some of the main ISPs have no problem yoinking PC's (at least I've known them to do it for open/spam proxies)... so perhaps that helps a bit.

    1. Re:Canada by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      If the article is true, we've got more bots per capita. The US has ~10 times our population and only ~5 times as many bots.

      We suck at the Internet, eh?

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  74. how did you guess ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  75. You sure the UK leads? by TetryonX · · Score: 1

    I have never gotten any spam that came from *.co.uk. Hell I never got any spam that mentioned: sixes and sevens, cherio, and all that other stereotypical bs or anything UK specific. Hey if they can't spell John in US spam (Jjoohunnn) which is the American stereotype of being near-retarded, there has to be some spam that mentions sixes and sevens!

    But to be sure I don't have anything to worry about I am going to remove the blackhole from korea and give it to UK.

    <3 the UK, <3 my blackholes

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  76. Wireless isn't secure, but pretty spamproof. by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 1
    Yes, thankfully they are going to wireless. Thank the lords of Kobol, they will doubtless put great effort into security even though they never paid more than lip service while wired. For example, ask your neighbor how many minutes he had a wireless connection before he changed the default ssid and admin password. Probably less than 2. Probably also set it up to use MAC address lists...These things are as hardened as you can make the "average" access-point" and I doubt that 5% of the access points have had this done. (I know that the above does not make it secure, but it would keep out a good chunk of trouble)

    Don't get me wrong, they won't be *secure* - but an insecure WAP isn't half as bad as a completely insecure box with a real IP address. At least from a spam standpoint. To 0wnz0r my wireless router (assuming I hadn't set the password, which I have), you'd have to get close and browse the old 192.168.0.1. A spammer at home can try hacking that IP...in fact, if there are any spammers listening, I recommend you try it.

    Put it this way - a spammer now could run an effectively infinite network of spambots. But how many could he run if he actually had to get close enough, in physical proximity, to use an open wireless node? If he's industrious and lives in a dense city, maybe a few tens or maybe a hundred in a day? And that's such a pain in the ass you couldn't do that every day.

    Realistically, if everybody went to wireless, a spammer would be limited to a few bots nearby. It would also help track him down (again, the physical proximity thing). And it makes it almost guaranteed that he'll be physically be in the jurisdiction in which he commits the crime.

  77. The John Cleese method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Based on episodes of Faulty Towers I have watched I'd say the preferred killing method in the UK is to grit your teeth and passively-agressively kill the other person using pure resentment. Though based on episodes of The Young Ones I'd also say it would involve taking the person and ramming them head first through a wall.

  78. Required Security Measures? by bahwi · · Score: 1

    "awareness of the required security measures."

    Not if it's a well-written, patched system with lots of security controls.

    They must means required windows-hole-filling measures.

    Yeah, Linux/BSD can get virii too, but if you're smart enough you won't get them to begin with. I don't run any anti-virus on my desktop for the past 6 years and no problems so far. But it'd be nice if windows had a heuristic checker/syscall catcher before executing a program:

    "The program you've launched wants to erase all your files, shall I let it continue?" says Clippy. C'mon, windows isn't meant for the advanced user, let's make it default for the regular home user and be a PITA to more technically inclined people.

  79. Maybe you should read the report by epsilonzero · · Score: 1

    It explains how they obtained their data. It is through their DeepSight TMS and MSS services.

  80. Re:Brits are not so smart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >>Look how Tony Blair sucks Bush's ballz on Iraq

    True, but then Tony B. Liar is not exactly your 'Average Brit'.

    Your 'Average Brit' would much rather kick Bush in the balls than suck them (and so would most of the rest of the world).

  81. The biggest Bot Net is? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is not surprising since the UK government is little more than an extension of the Bush Net. With the Prime Minister being the biggest Bot or should I say "Prime Bot".

  82. The land of Turing by sugarmotor · · Score: 1

    This is the land of Turing. He wouldn't have allowed this!

    Stephan

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  83. Expect that they reported... by epsilonzero · · Score: 1

    ...that the number of bots is lower. Not exactly good for business. If you are going to rant, you might as well try to look half-intelligent by reading the report.

  84. No wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No wonder they're suing Microsoft.

  85. Actual report by epsilonzero · · Score: 1

    Since no one seems fit to actually read the report before commenting and looking like an idiot, here it is.

  86. True story about a non-hacked Brit's parents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My parents phoned a couple of weeks ago - always a sign that their PC is acting up.

    "Hi! How are you?"

    "Er. Fine."

    "The computer doesn't work."

    "What do you mean 'Doesn't work?'"

    "It doesn't connect to the Internet."

    "Oh, OK. What happens?"

    "Well, you see, we just upgraded to broadband, and it kept popping up messages, so, well, we uninstalled that anti-virus software that you put on it. And now it doesn't go online at all."

    Silence...

    I'll be visiting them over the Easter weekend with a CD.

    1. Re:True story about a non-hacked Brit's parents by CdBee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We need a site called geek-exchange so people like us can swap inconveniently-situated tech problems (ie, I fix your mum's PC if you do my cousin's....)

      It'd save us all an awful lot of driving.

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    2. Re:True story about a non-hacked Brit's parents by hakalugi · · Score: 1

      remote assistance with XP - no driving. and if you have AV and spyware and firewall the system will never get so bad that you cannot get in and fix it.

      ounce of prevention....

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    3. Re:True story about a non-hacked Brit's parents by MobyTurbo · · Score: 1
      We need a site called geek-exchange so people like us can swap inconveniently-situated tech problems (ie, I fix your mum's PC if you do my cousin's....)

      It'd save us all an awful lot of driving.

      That reminds me, "The difference between Americans and the British is that the British think 100 miles is a long distance, and Americans think 100 years is a long time." ;-)
    4. Re:True story about a non-hacked Brit's parents by si618 · · Score: 1

      that depends on how hot your cousin is...

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  87. Change the title by Slayer_X · · Score: 1

    UK officially The Most Hacked Country - WRONG

    UK officially The Most Cracked Country - CORRECT

    Hackers are the good boys :-D

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    1. Re:Change the title by Valafar · · Score: 1

      Semantically, crackers break copy-protection on software (traditionally Games). "Crackers" don't have anything to do with breaking into computer systems... Wired Magazine distorted the term in the late 90s (1997, I believe) to mean "A person who breaks into computers with the intent to do harm".

  88. ***Serious Question**** by Colourspace · · Score: 1

    I have used PC's for years, been both a programmer and a hardware designer (so not totally technically illiterate) but always had an I.T. geek (love em really)looking after my security for me - a technological road I have not needed to travel down before but learning now.. Finally signed up with Broadband (on my home PC) here in the UK last week and am loving it (Plus net - pretty good as it goes... but USB modem :( ). Have XP SP2 installed (firewall activated before going on net), running Avast home Antivirus, and having used computers for the past 20 years know the difference between which pop ups to click (ie none) and what a 'legit' site looks like so careful AS I CAN BE with my surfing. How safe am I? What else can I consider to protect myself? Answers on the back of a postcard please to...

    1. Re:***Serious Question**** by Colourspace · · Score: 1

      I should add I would love to run Linux, but my music apps just don't run on it yet - when they can, I will....

    2. Re:***Serious Question**** by iBod · · Score: 2, Informative

      What else can you do?

      1) Use Firefox as your web browser rather than IE. Firefox has some security issues too, but many fewer than IE. Keep your browser software up-to-date.

      2) Disable Java Applets in your web browser unless you reall need them (I don't mean JavaScript).

      3) If you can do without the advanced features of MS Outlook, use an alternative email program like Thunderbird.

      4) Download and install AdAware and/or Spybot SD and run them regularly, and update them often.

      5) Turn-on Windows update and make sure you keep your systems patched.

      6) Keep your AV software of choice up-to-date (I don't know 'Avast' but I'm sure it should be able to auto-update).

      7) Most importantly, use some kind of firewall. Ideally a hardware one built into your ADSL modem or router. Failing that, a software one, like the one built into Win/XP, or one of the may commerical, or free ones).

      Sorry, don't have time to post the links for any of this stuff, just Google for them.

    3. Re:***Serious Question**** by The+MESMERIC · · Score: 1

      which apps?

    4. Re:***Serious Question**** by legirons · · Score: 1

      What else can you do?

      1) Install MandrakeLinux or similar. Turn on the supplied firewall. Turn off xinetd.

      2) Use any browser or email client you like. Use text-only emails and set your mail program not to display HTML. (You can auto-delete HTML emails as a very effective spamfilter, once you've whitelisted anyone you know who uses hotmail)

      3) Run MandrakeUpdate before doing anything "high-risk", such as viewing video from the internet, chatting on IRC, or connecting to an unknown SSH server.

      4) Make backups regularly. Once per day on a development machine, one per week if you only browse the web.

      5) If you need to do anything "extremely high risk" (running closed-source software such as RealPlayer or Flash, running a server, or writing programs which interface to the net), create a new username and run the high-risk program as that username so that it can't damage your own personal data.

      6) Setup sudo so that you don't have to login as root every time you want to mount a USB drive, shutdown the computer, or run a packet sniffer.

      7) Portscan yourself. Both from your own machine, and using the tools at (for example) grc.com. You'll normally see some programs which are okay (XDM, X11), some programs which can be gotten rid-of if you're paranoid (RPC, CUPS), but anything else is worth investigating.

      8) Backup regularly. You can never have too many backups.

  89. STELLAAAAAAAAAA!!! by Omni-Cognate · · Score: 1

    Does he beat your mum when he gets home?

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  90. It's Symantec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Drumming up business in the places where they know the most gullible people are - the UK.

  91. Raising awareness by XSpud · · Score: 1
    Perhaps we need somethings like an "Internet Security Awareness Week" in the UK.

    As part of their public broadcasting responsibility the BBC could broadcast daily programs that highlight the problems that exist and explain in laymans terms what can be done about them. This could make pretty good TV if there were interviews with people/companies who had been adversely affected by hackers/viruses/worms etc - definitely a lot more interesting than the reality TV rubbish that we get at the moment. And perhaps people could be encouraged to get help from a "knowledgable friend " to give their computer a once-over.

  92. Except... by rpjs · · Score: 1

    There's at least one cableco that now offers wireless broadband with the AP built into the CATV set-top box. As I don't use this product (I *do* have a hardware wireless router) I have no idea what, if any, security is built into it and whether it's enabled by default. To be fair, the cableco in question[1] seems to be relatively clueful, so quite possibly it is set up to be secure out of the box.

    [1] not the TLA-named one

  93. Cost of Software+Harware is the reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    After moving from the UK to the USA I am not supprised about this statistic. The simple reason I can see is the cost of (antivirus) software and (router) hardware in the UK is probably the most expensive in the world - a detereant to end users actually buying and using them.

    1. Re:Cost of Software+Harware is the reason by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the UK, you'll find everything here 3 times more expensive, don't forget to stop by our capital city, the second most expensive city in the world, great.

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  94. US vs UK by d474 · · Score: 1

    Tony Blair was hacked by Bush's "intelligence on WMD". Who's your sys admin? Bush is just a script kiddie deploying zombie Rumsfeld bots that you should have been able to protect against. And you better beef up your firewallz cuz I hear there is a new W32.IranWar virus spreading along with an attempted Trojan.WolfowitzWorldBank penetration of your financial ports (courtesy s.k.Bush!). Get with it man, this is basic stuff!

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  95. It is no wonder the EU is going after MS by kpogoda · · Score: 1

    I am sure the Brits are really happy with their MS products now...... :)

  96. It just works... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh brilliant!

    There speaks the brainwashed Apple consumer!

    >>There is no way Apple would release a product without some type of proactive testing

    What the fuck is "proactive testing"? Is that the sort of magic testing that anticipates all possible security flaws in a product as complext as OS-X ??

    >>Maybe you are used to that in the MS world.

    Maybe you should get your head out of your ass and take a look at the real world.

  97. Voluntary BOTNET by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    A friend of Mine bought a broadband ready WINXP laptop at XMAS and it was unpatched, she only had a modem so it took a week or two of occasional dialups for the machine to become completely unuseable, requiring a total reinstall.
    My Question : can she sue the store as the machine was not ready as it was unpatched?

    On a lighter note I have a ADSL + NAT - works ok now I routed the 3 backdoors to nonexistant machines.
    Presumably left in for rental comapanies and/ or the FEDs - two had default asswords one had a crypto call and reponse with a simple algorythm that Shimamora (of Mitnick fame) cracked.

    Still when they patch all of the windoz exploits I expect we'll see some automated broadcast UDP packet exploits - want a secure system TURN IT OFF - PULL OUT THE CABLE.

  98. UK almost hosted the world's biggest cyberheist by Madas · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I read here that bots in the UK nearly led to nearly half a billion dollars being siphoned off a Japanese bank.

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    1. Re:UK almost hosted the world's biggest cyberheist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that all?

      I was planning on writing a virus that sells every single Etrade account (where are the buyers?... the investment pension funds)

      Then use the cash to buy billions in goods on amazon to deliver to poor random houses. ;-)

  99. have to say it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in Nelson's voice, "Ha! Ha!"

  100. how many per PC per country? by houghi · · Score: 1

    I am more interested in how high the percentage is per country. e.g. 3% (or 30% or even 300%) of ocountry A is poluted. Only then can you start to conclude that this is due to broadband.

    Other countries are also very high in percentage of broadband, like Belgium.

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  101. Who is number one? by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 1

    You are[,] number six.

    So do computers in the UK just come with spamming software preinstalled, or what? The article was fairly useless.

  102. not too surprised by jayloden · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm an American student studying abroad here in London, and one thing I have noticed is that port 25 isn't blocked outgoing at any of the places I've been online. While as a Linux user this is convenient because I can use my laptop's own smtp server to send mail without hassle, I'd rather they be blocking port 25 outgoing to prevent spam.

    If you don't have port 25 blocked, you can expect to see a hell of a lot of spam bots on your networks, because they'll be effective.

    -Jay

  103. "two weeks" FUD alert, FUD alert by hakalugi · · Score: 1
    you obviously don't know what you're talking about.

    At least since corp 8.x (and for sure now on 9.x) you can have [the cetnral server or clients] check for updates every N minutes, and further have them check with symantec 'home base' a random number of minutes past a certain point (i use between 1 and 180 minutes past Thursday night)

    you can even have the central server (if you use an av server to store def's locally) check "constantly" - and it warns you about the add'l bandwidth. that's even more frequently than the "N" minutes that my Kaspersky installs offer. (or your quoted software)

    stop the FUD. if you install Corp AV without the MMC snap-in (and know how to manage it) you'll continue to be as ignorant as you are- have fun! But this is a user problem, not a software problem.

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    1. Re:"two weeks" FUD alert, FUD alert by HazE_nMe · · Score: 1

      I can check slashdot for a new article every N minutes, but that doesn't mean that every N minutes I get to see a new article on slashdot. Just because your AV is "checking" for an update doesn't mean that you get an update every time you check. I finally gave in and bought Panda since they actually release updates daily.

  104. Show us the data by PMuse · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What is it with news reporting that they never attach a data appendix? C'mon guys. We wanna know:
    # bots worldwide
    # broadband computers worldwide
    # bots in UK
    # broadbanded computers in UK
    [repeat for US, China, Canada, Spain, etc.]
    [then, for kicks, break them down by OS]

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  105. No, seriously, who let the fucking chicks out?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4369185.stm

  106. 4x lead when population normalized by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 1
    "Is the US public that far behind in broadband connections?"

    Yup.

    By the factor of 4 or 5 to account for the population difference? That might be tough.

    Also, I think your reasons for adoption in the US are dead wrong. DSL is down to $30/month, which is only $7 more than AOL I think. The problem is mostly last mile with DSL. Not sure what issues lie with cable.

    As for seeing the need, all it takes is for someone to try it once at a friend's house. No more waiting for the modem to connect, DC's, and general slowness (which is relative to creeping webpage bloat...grrr...).

    1. Re:4x lead when population normalized by It'sYerMam · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Here in the UK there is a big push for broadband coverage and general access. There's also a lot of work going into Wi-Fi hotspots and perhaps more importantly, a lot of things targeting children. With PCs in schools, and regular access to the internet as part of the curriculum (in fact, IT is now becoming compulsory from the start of schooling) children are increasingly being active on the internet. Parents will surely hear the scare stories about chatrooms, paedophiles and so on, and perhaps will make sure children do not do that kind of thing.
      However, children will be more likely to open up attachments, surf around the online gaming sites which come with spyware toolbars and so on. This will make the problem of not having a firewall/antivirus/anti spyware much worse.

      I don't know about the situation in the US, but it's certainly about time ISPs started handing out information with their broadband packages, to prevent this kind of 0wn4ge. Alternatively, after installing the cable modem, they can install anti-virus software and a decent firewall, as part of the package. I'm sure this would significantly reduce these occurrences.

      The problem in the first is getting people to read the material, and in the second if people then upgrade/reinstall, ensuring that they also install the security applications.

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    2. Re:4x lead when population normalized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By the factor of 4 or 5 to account for the population difference? That might be tough.

      Broadband is really being pushed heavily over here - I'm not sure if the reason is Government subsidies or just heavy competition, but a basic broadband internet service works out even cheaper than unmetered dialup access. There's literally no reason for anyone in this country to still be using a 56k modem.

    3. Re:4x lead when population normalized by Ulven · · Score: 1

      Unless you happen to be living in the country, out of reach of any cable operators and still waiting for your exchange to be upgraded.

      So other than having no broadband option short of satellite, no reason at all to still be using dialup.

  107. Many people who use Windows at home... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... are quite tecnically knowledgable?

    ROTFL!! WTF r u smokin?

    Maybe you mean "many" like in "at least several dozen"?

    99% of Windows users are technically incompetent. They couldn't tell a virus from a spyware, a firewall from a modem.

    1. Re:Many people who use Windows at home... by operagost · · Score: 0

      You are just plain wrong. I have variously been a sysadmin, techie, and project manager since 1996. I have used Windows at work and home (along with Linux, OpenVMS, OS/2, etc.) and I definitely know what all of those things are. It's elitists like you that keep good Stallman-fearing Linux enthusiasts from ever getting the chicks.

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  108. WTF Informative? Here's something informative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let c be a positive constant, then

    a < b iff a/c < b/c.

    As a consequence, sorting by the largest quantity hacked is *equivalent* to sorting by the same number divided by the worldwide number of bots (= c).

    1. Re:WTF Informative? Here's something informative by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      WTF? Are you such a fool, Anonymous innumerate Coward, to think that England has the largest quantity of computers in *any* condition? More than the US? What kind of math will you contrive to show that 0.25 is greater than 2.5?

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    2. Re:WTF Informative? Here's something informative by wirelessbuzzers · · Score: 1

      IHBT. Oh well.

      The article isn't talking about bots per computer. It's talking about total percentage of worldwide bots. 25.2% of all worldwide bots are in the UK (not England, you will note, but that's beside the point). That is, the number of bots in the UK is 0.252*b where b is the total number of bots worldwide. Similarly, the number of bots in the USA is 0.246*b. Now, b is a positive number, so we must have

      0.252*b > 0.246*b

      ie, there are more bots in the UK than in the USA. Furthermore, since (as you pointed out) there are fewer computers in the UK than in the USA, and these numbers are both positive, the UK also has more bots per computer.

      Was that so hard?

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    3. Re:WTF Informative? Here's something informative by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Not so hard - thanks for pointing out my error reasonably, rather than flaming me. So I was able to realize that I had misunderstood the rankings. I was so surprised that the UK would have more total bots than the US that I thought it was percentages of each country. Thanks for helping me appreciate the facts - they're much more interesting.

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  109. What this means: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    70% of bot networks reside outside of North America; however, these self-same bot networks are largely controlled by American hackers! Yet another example of American hegemony over the rest of the world...

  110. Misread As: UK Most HATED Country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and while I was more than a little incredulous, I was breifly quite pleased the USA wasn't the top of someone's hate list.

  111. Broadband not limited to urban areas in Canada by gnuman99 · · Score: 1
    In Canada broadband is not limited to urban centers. For example, MTS (Manitoba) is rolled out broadband in many rural areas. Some of the places where broadband is available have less than 1000 potential customers. https://ocm.mtsadvanced.com/servlet/Eligibility

    For example, Dugald https://ocm.mtsadvanced.com/help/adsl/res_dugald_m ap.html has a population of is less than 12000 http://www.granite.mb.ca/erdc/springfield/dugaldco mm.html

    There is even service to tiny places like Miami, Manitoba http://www.cici.mb.ca/miami/. Population: 400+. And this is not just some crap broadband. We are talking of up to 5Mbps/400kbps for about US$50

  112. Except.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... when its Chelsea :)

  113. Symantic business opportunities by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1

    Yesterday Apple machines, today UK. Seems the Symantic business development managers are trying to drum up more biz.

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  114. A general problem not limited to BB users. by Tandoori+Haggis · · Score: 1

    Yes there has been an increase in broadband users.
    However it may also be the case that dial-up users can least afford to download critical updates for their supplied OS. Here are the usual complaints:

    "My PC is getting so slow these days, I think I need a new one"

    "Why is dial-up so slow these days?"

    I started getting a lot of infected spam recently, so I did the following:

    1. Checked all the headers for the souce IP addresses.
    2. Used dig -x to find the source ISP.
    3. Compiled an abuse report and sent it to the ISP.

    The common source was in fact a broadband service.
    Those infected and spoofed messages seem to have stopped.

    I got talking to someone who was learning about computers at night classes. There was no mention of software firewalls or anti-virus....

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  115. Sorry in advance... by Mettra · · Score: 1

    0wn3d.

  116. its YAHOOs fault!!!!! try they chat rooms in im by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yahoo is at fault.

    1000s of chat rooms

    100000s of bots advertising websites that have trojans

    Yahoo can stop it easily, but they ARE LAZY

    Does yahoo have any staff or is it just a website now?

  117. Greed discourages NAT by pjc50 · · Score: 1

    The ISPs don't want people to have NAT in their ASDL/cable connections because they want to discourage them from using networks behind the NAT, presumably they expect people to sign up for second broadband connections like they used to sign up for second phone lines...

  118. It would be inconvenient by r6144 · · Score: 1
    As a fairly advanced user myself, I frequently start vshtpd/httpd/squid (and open up the corresponding port in iptables) temporarily, to transfer a few files to my colleagues or something. It would be very inconvenient if I have to phone my ISP for this.

    What's worse, when the next big P2P app comes out, expect the ISP support offices to be overloaded by open-port-requests. It would be costly, and you might not want the average support person to know what P2P app you use. Of course the net admin can know if he wants, but currently no one would care unless you use way too much bandwidth.

    One workaround is to make the ISP's firewall settings configurable online by customers, but this might not be feasible now. Before that, I prefer to have the option of having all ports open and take all the responsibilieis myself, at no additional cost.

  119. Antivirus and Firewall packages on their own don't by cheesemp · · Score: 1

    Antivirus and Firewall packages on their own don't work. I got asked to look at a family PC that had BT yahoo dialup. The father had got the protection 'package' - CA etrust Antivirus and BlackICE firewall (an extra £3.5 (~$5) a month). The blackice didn't seem to be doing anything (application control was turned off) and the antivirus had stopped updating - which was why I got asked to look at it. The problem was all spyware - The family had no idea what it was - Of course with a PC with XP and no service packs installed you can guess how many hundreds of piece of spyware/virii were installed. I tried to talk them into Firefox, Zonealarm/Kerio Firewall and AVG Free/ClamWin Antivirus but I just couldn't find a way to expain it so they understood and would accept. In the end I just cleared the spyware (mostly manually - Ad-aware, SB-S&D and MS Antispyware just wouldn't completely clear it) and viruses. Installed XP SP2 and all the updates. Did a full inoculate with SB-S&D and spywareblaster. Bet I'll get another call in 6 months to a year!

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